Red Cat Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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March 14, 2024

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon and thank you for joining us to discuss PagerDuty's 4th Quarter and Full Fiscal Year 2024 Results. With me on today's call are Jennifer Tejada, PagerDuty's Chairperson and Chief Executive Officer and Howard Wilson, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, let me remind everyone that statements made on this call include forward looking statements based on the environment as we currently see it, which involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause our actual results, performance or achievements to be materially different from those expressed or implied by the forward looking statements. These forward looking statements include our growth prospects, future revenue, operating margins, net income, cash balance and total addressable market among others and represent our management's belief and assumptions only as of the date such statements are made and we undertake no obligation to update these. During today's call, we will discuss non GAAP financial measures, which are in addition to and not a substitute for or superior to measures of financial performance prepared in accordance with GAAP.

Operator

A reconciliation between GAAP and non GAAP financial measures is available in our earnings release. Further information on these and other factors that could cause the company's financial results to differ materially are included in filings we make with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our most recently filed Form 10 ks as well as other subsequent filings made with the SEC. With that, I will turn the call over to Jennifer.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Tony. Good afternoon and thank you for joining us today. PagerDuty delivered a solid 4th quarter to cap off another year of growth and substantial operating margin expansion. We demonstrated operating efficiency throughout the year and completed our 2nd consecutive year of non GAAP profitability. On a full year basis, revenue grew 16% year over year and non GAAP operating margin expanded by over 1200 basis points to 13%.

Speaker 1

In the Q4, revenue grew 10% to $111,000,000 at the top end of our guidance range. Non GAAP operating margin of 10% exceeded the high end of guidance with a year over year expansion of nearly 400 basis points. Our steady progression upmarket underpinned our solid results. Expansion ARR, $100,000 transaction volume and average deal size each improved sequentially and with a higher mix of ARR coming from our Enterprise segment, the visibility and predictability of our business also continues to improve. We achieved dollar based net retention 1 point above our expectation and we see it improving in FY 2025 along with total ARR growth.

Speaker 1

We added $13,000,000 of net new ARR in Q4 and grew total ending ARR 10 percent to $452,000,000 Customers with 2 or more products contributed 62% of the total, an increase of 4 percentage points over the prior year. To a large extent, the growth in both metrics was driven by increasing momentum in enterprise engagements, resulting in several multiyear operations cloud deployments within the Global 2,000. During the Q4, we gained traction within our enterprise segment demonstrated by annual net new additions to our cohort of customers who spend more than $100,000 which doubled quarter over quarter. On an annual basis, our $1,000,000 cohort increased 16% to 58%. These results demonstrate the strong market fit of PagerDuty's Operations Cloud for the world's leading brands seeking to modernize their operations.

Speaker 1

ARR from both new and existing customers exceeded Q3 levels in Q4, and we remain confident in delivering accelerated net new ARR growth in FY 2025. We shipped innovation across all 4 of our product pillars in FY 2024 and started FY 2025 with markedly higher pipeline across automation, AIOps, incident management and customer service operations, representing a strengthening demand signal from CIOs and CTOs with mandates to protect revenue, increase innovation velocity, improve productivity and mitigate risk. For example, our AIOps solution introduced during the first half of FY 'twenty four is designed specifically for centralized IT teams and network operations, site reliability engineering and IT apps, which comprise approximately 21,000,000 global professionals. A complement to our developer focused solution that was already in market, AIOps supplies machine learning to reduce noise, surface real time content, and automate a wide variety of manual activities. Unlike other AI ops solutions in market, PagerDuty's solution is integrated to automated workflows, enabling customers to auto remediate more and more of their ecosystem, reducing reliance and the cost of manual processes and people.

Speaker 1

Our cloud based process automation solution reached functional parity with our self managed on prem offering during FY 'twenty four, addressing numerous new IT use cases across service management and IT operations. In addition, several new features enable teams to leverage runbook automation in 0 trust environments, mitigating cybersecurity risks for enterprises, a large and growing investment area for our customers. Customer service operations added workflow automation capabilities from Salesforce Service Cloud, ServiceNow CSM and Zendesk, unifying customer service teams and agents with technical teams that manage critical services and customer facing applications. Private status pages, along with PagerDuty's generative AI based copilot, enable companies to consolidate point solutions to save significant time and more effectively manage communications while responding to an incident. The acquisition of Jelly further differentiates our automated incident management solution from low value price led on call solutions and less scalable workflow tools.

Speaker 1

Today, our robust combined offering enables organizations to rapidly transform from learn rapidly transform the learnings from incidents into a knowledge base for timely, informed operational decisions. End to end incident management includes AI assisted automated post incident analysis and learning integrated into the CICD process, which helps customers continuously improve the efficiency with which they respond to and prevent further incidents. The innovation we delivered across the Operations Cloud Platform addresses some of the enterprise's highest priority budgeted business initiatives, including digital business resilience, modern service management, customer experience management and network operations center modernization. In fact, several Q4 wins validate our platform to problem fit, namely 7 figure CIO and CTO sponsored multiyear platform engagements at Global 2,000 Companies. For instance, a customer within our software and technology vertical expanded to the full operations cloud footprint with us.

Speaker 1

Already a $1,000,000 customer, this well known enterprise doubled down on PagerDuty when they understood the opportunity to protect revenue and mitigate risk by connecting their customer support team with their infrastructure, site reliability engineering, and business technology units. Before PagerDuty and despite significant investments in observability, over 20% of incidents were still being reported by customers, putting their customer SLAs and retention at risk. They recognize the need to transform their customer experience while reducing operational risk, replacing point solutions to address fragmented operational gaps. Today, this customer has deployed all 4 product pillars of the Operations Cloud in a multiyear commitment expanding to nearly twice the ARR. An entertainment and media company with a significant global presence increased its ARR beyond $2,000,000 per year on a 3 year term.

Speaker 1

This is a large global enterprise managing operational complexity across a diverse set of use cases from retail operations and on property experiences to digital streaming in a corporate culture where customer experience is at the very heart of their brand. In navigating top down pressure to reduce costs and consolidate platforms, PagerDuty's proven ROI was central to the customer's decision to expand with us. They are now using the full operations cloud to improve digital resilience across all of their major business units and to protect their customer experience. Our partnership with AWS and the ability for customers to leverage the AWS marketplace was another key factor in this multiyear, multimillion dollar win. In Q4, we also expanded on a win we mentioned in Q2, the global semiconductor supplier who selected PagerDuty's workflow offering to standardize and better orchestrate their enterprise wide automation efforts.

Speaker 1

This has become a common enterprise challenge, islands of automation that pop up across teams and functions, Henry and company's ability to scale efficiently. In Q4, we expanded our relationship with this multibillion dollar company, and we now support them with enterprise grade incident management seamlessly integrated with automated workflows. Our fast time to value in Q2 earned us the right to solve even bigger problems with the operations cloud as they navigate ever increasing complexity in pursuit of capturing an outsized share of the generative AI market. This customer's use case is an appropriate analog for the long term tailwind generative AI presents for our business, With the added complexity caused by both the volume of software created and the frequency of code updates that generative AI enables, we see generative AI fostering demand for the operations cloud as it improves efficiency for developers but also proliferates complexity and risk. In turn, we continue to expand our own generative AI offerings with PagerDuty copilot features across our platform slated for general availability in the first half of this year and expected to contribute pipeline in the second half.

Speaker 1

These capabilities augment our existing AI and machine learning functionality, which built on our proprietary and foundational data set have been part of our value proposition for nearly a decade. In line with our mission to lead the market in innovation in order to revolutionize customer operations, we welcome Jeff Hausman as our Chief Product Development Officer. His extensive enterprise product development experience in service management, ITOM and cybersecurity and deep domain expertise in enterprise position us well to continue our rapid innovation cadence and platform expansion. During the year, we also progressed our FedRAMP status to in process and we expect FedRAMP certification in the first half of FY twenty twenty five. In support of our expansion into the U.

Speaker 1

S. Public sector and our ongoing focus in enterprise, we are thrilled to welcome Teresa Carlson, former longtime AWS Public Sector Business Leader, to our Board of Directors. By efficiently controlling the controllable elements of our business, we have solidified a scalable structure for growth, demonstrated enterprise platform fit and entered the year with healthy go to market capacity poised to accelerate growth. The Operations Cloud platform resonates with executives due to its proven ability to reduce operational expenses, protect revenue, mitigate risk, all while improving innovation velocity. Developers remain at the forefront of both the customer experience and operational resilience.

Speaker 1

Our customers continue to face pressure to grow margins while also accelerating time to market in the face of an ongoing skill shortage. And developers confront the challenge of doing more with less, yet managing increasingly fragile tech stacks. Not surprisingly, operational complexity is rising and automation and generative AI are becoming core to operating the speed at scale. We expect developer experience and efficiency to continue to be critical to business success for the world's most important brands, remaining a long term tailwind for PagerDuty as we set the standard for developer best practices inherent in our platform. Our leadership position continues to be validated and reinforced by industry analysts.

Speaker 1

Earlier this year, Forrester and GigaOm named PagerDuty AIOps a leader in their wave and radar reports in the fast growing AIOps market. In Q4, GigaOm also named PagerDuty the overall leader in their radar evolution or evaluation of incident management platforms. Additionally, Gartner highlighted the PagerDuty Operations Cloud in a new market category in their market guide for artificial intelligence applications in IT service management. Lastly, our process automation is consistently ranked number 1 overall by users on G2 in their workload automation category and grid report. Investing in and supporting our communities through social impact programs is a mainstay in our culture and FY24 was no different.

Speaker 1

Pagerduty.org made more than $1,000,000 in grants to impact partners, including our partners in the time critical health space. These impact partners leverage PagerDuty's platform to advance their operations to drive improved health outcomes within their community. Additionally, almost 100% of our employees volunteered or donated to a cause last year, representing a 3rd consecutive year of greater than 90% participation. While the volatile economic environment was challenging during FY24, we have emerged stronger, more profitable and well poised for accelerating growth during FY 'twenty five. Our confidence is founded in improving leading indicators like large deal pipeline and conversion rates, stabilizing customer retention in mid market and enterprise, an increased mix of multi product, multi year ads and expansion and improved sales productivity.

Speaker 1

Our cost structure enables continued growth in both profitability and cash flow, reinforcing our position as a durable profitable growth business. In my daily engagements with our largest customers, I see increased budget certainty and confidence in more strategic long term investments in our platform. If we learn nothing else this year, we must anticipate the unexpected and our customers' demand for our integrated platform combining automation, AIOps, incident management and customer operations is increasing. With that, I'll turn the call to Howard, and I look forward to your questions.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jen, and good day to everyone joining us on this afternoon's call. Unless otherwise stated, all references to our expenses and operating results are on a non GAAP basis and are reconciled to our GAAP results in the earnings release that was posted before the call. Our enterprise motion continued to show strength in the 4th quarter. Customer commitments lengthened across our base as our go to market team leveraged flexible enterprise pricing and increased attach rates of AIOps and our other products. These efforts resulted in our best quarter of new and expansion ARR in Q4 for the year.

Speaker 2

Companies with less than $50,000,000 in revenue, our SMB segment, accounted for 16% of ARR at the end of FY 'twenty four. While a relatively small mix of our business, a decline in net new customers and dollar based net retention was a headwind to both quarterly and annual results this fiscal year. This adverse trend persisted in the 4th quarter, but we believe the headwind will be less severe in FY 2025. Revenue was $111,000,000 in the 4th quarter, up 10% year over year. The contribution from international was 28% of total revenues, an increase from 24% compared to FY2023.

Speaker 2

Annual recurring revenue exiting Q4 grew 10% year over year to $452,000,000 We delivered 107 percent dollar based net retention, 1 point above our expectation in Q4 and compares to 120% in the same period 1 year ago. Our DBNR expectation for Q1 is approximately 106% and is expected to mark the floor for this metric moving higher in the second half of FY twenty twenty five. Customers spending over $100,000 in annual recurring revenue grew to 804, up 7% from a year ago. Total customer count of 15,039 declined year over year by 1%, primarily due to the challenging environment for sub scale businesses. Free and paid customers on our platform grew to over 28,000, an increase of approximately 17% compared to Q4 of last year.

Speaker 2

In terms of metrics that we provide on an annual basis, customers with ARR over $1,000,000 increased to 58, up 16% compared to Q4 of last year. ARR from customers using 2 or more paid products was 62%, up from 58% in FY2023. And to provide additional transparency on product mix, the AR contribution from incident management was 73% of the total compared to 77% in FY23 as customers adopt multiple products in our operations cloud platform. Q4 gross margin was 85% and within our 84% to 86% target range. Operating income was $11,000,000 or 10 percent of revenue, compared to $6,000,000 or 6% of revenue in the same quarter last year.

Speaker 2

In terms of cash flow for the quarter, cash from operations was $22,000,000 or 20 percent of revenue and free cash flow was $20,000,000 or 18 percent of revenue. For the full fiscal year, revenue was $431,000,000 up 16% year over year. Gross margin was 86%, up slightly year over year. Operating income was $56,000,000 or 13 percent of revenue, compared to $3,000,000 or 1% of revenue a year ago. Operating cash flow was $72,000,000 compared to $17,000,000 a year ago.

Speaker 2

Free cash flow was $64,000,000 compared to $9,000,000 in fiscal 2023 and headcount increased to 1182, up 1% year over year. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $571,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and investments. On a trailing 12 months basis, billings were $450,000,000 an increase of 10% compared to a year ago and in line with our estimates. With respect to Q1 FY 'twenty five, we expect trailing 12 month billings growth to be approximately 8%. To provide some context before turning to guidance, as I mentioned, annual recurring revenue ended FY 'twenty four at 10% growth.

Speaker 2

We expect ARR growth to accelerate in FY '25, particularly in the second half. Our guidance reflects this gradual growth acceleration. Importantly, we have made a change from monthly to daily revenue recognition, which creates a shift in revenue out of Q1 to the rest of the year. We expect to continue to expand operating margin in what will be our 3rd year of non GAAP profitability and our EPS guidance for the first time includes a non GAAP tax rate of 23%. So looking at our guidance, for the Q1 fiscal 2025, we expect revenue in the range of $110,500,000 to $112,500,000 representing a growth rate of 7% to 9% and net income per diluted share attributable to PagerDuty Inc.

Speaker 2

In the range of $0.12 to $0.13 This implies an operating margin of 9% to 10%. For the full fiscal year 2025, we expect revenue in the range of $470,000,000 to $478,000,000 representing a growth rate of 9% to 11% and net income per diluted share attributable to PageDuty Inc. In the range of $0.65 to $0.70 This implies an operating margin of 13% to 14%. Before moving to questions, I would like to provide assistance with modeling FY 'twenty five. We changed from ratably recognizing revenue on a monthly basis to a daily basis in FY 2025.

Speaker 2

The impact of this is approximately $3,000,000 less revenue in Q1 and $3,000,000 higher revenue in the remainder of the year due to Q1 having fewer days. Our EPS guidance now incorporates a non GAAP tax rate of 23% for each quarter of FY 2025, which represents approximately $0.04 of EPS in Q1 and $0.21 in FY 2025. Non GAAP gross margin is expected to remain within our target range of 84% to 86%, but trend toward the low end of the range as we invest in our capacity for enterprise customers. For reference, Q1 of the prior fiscal year incremental AR was $12,000,000 And as a reminder, interest payments on our 20 28 convertible notes are made semi annually in arrears in Q1 and Q3. The business momentum we carry into FY 'twenty five is a direct result of the long term oriented investments in the operations cloud to solve the complex operational issues of large enterprises, accelerating our move up market.

Speaker 2

The annual increase in multi product customer ARR and multi year commitments, the increasing volume of large deals and improved annualized gross retention this past quarter gives me confidence in our ability to accelerate growth this year. With that, I will open up the call for Q and A.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Howard. And as we turn to questions, we'll hear first from Sanjit Singh. Sanjit, if you go ahead and unmute.

Speaker 4

Great. Can you hear me?

Speaker 3

Go ahead.

Speaker 4

Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you for taking the question. Jennifer, in the sort of rubric or the topic of things that is under the team's control, definitely on the operating margin side and the profitability side of the equation, you guys had a pretty fantastic year. I wanted to get your assessment when you look back at fiscal year 2024 on like the sales execution side.

Speaker 4

If we look at sort of the slowdown in growth, is that just we just put it on macro or with other things where the team could execute better? And how does that inform, your growth expectations going into next year? Because I think you mentioned like sales productivity might be improving as we exited this fiscal year going into fiscal year 2025. So just wanted to get like just your assessment of where your execution strong and where execution could be better.

Speaker 1

Sure. Well, first of all, I appreciate the comment. We have been working for several years to put a structural set of programs in place to improve, the efficiency and the operational resilience of the company through both profitability and cash flow. And, I think we've done a good job there of controlling the controllables. The was this move away from bottoms up buying through the developer community to a top down, more centralized procurement led purchasing process.

Speaker 1

And we had to enable the sales force, to manage that effectively. Fortunately, we're in sort of the right place at the right time with the operations cloud platform, which is really directed towards business objectives of improving productivity, improving cost efficiency while increasing time to market and protecting the customer experience and growth. I think what we really saw in the first half of the year was, pretty significant change in the demand signal as customers retrenched thinking through their headcount investments, their budget investments. But what we've seen stabilize towards the back half of the year is more confidence around the budget envelope that our enterprise customers have to work within and more of a willingness to engage with us in multiyear, multiproduct deals. And you can see that in some of the examples that we've mentioned.

Speaker 1

And we've seen a real improvement and sort of shift in the sales organization's behavior to go from that transactional created in quarter sort of expansion motion to really a top down value driven sales motion that really supports and underpins the better together story for the platform. And so I would say it's less about execution and more about making that transition, which was where the requirement was accelerated by the change in the macro.

Speaker 4

That's great. Can

Speaker 5

I take that?

Speaker 2

I might just add to that. In terms of the progress that we've seen with being able to do these larger 7 figure deals with large companies where it's CIO, CTO sponsored deals has led to a more strategic relationship with our customers. And those multi year agreements are showing up in our RPO. RPO grew over 30% this quarter. So that is a sign that the move that we're making in that direction is yielding the right kind of results.

Speaker 2

It also gives us reason for confidence because we look at the pipeline and now we have pipeline visibility beyond just next quarter. So the deals that our sales team are working on now stretch out multiple quarters ahead. So we are getting a better view of the deals that are being developed and being worked on because they are more strategic in nature and they have higher value and they are going to deliver higher value to the customer, that gives us a better view on how things will play out in the year.

Speaker 4

And just one more follow-up, Howard, and then I'll see the floor. In terms of marking to market the timing of the reacceleration, which I think you're sort of pointing to the second half, how much of that is sort of dependent on like hiring, right? Like we've seen software development projects sort of come back online, but the hiring environment still seems out there in tech and non tech, still pretty sluggish. And so do we need to see that come back in a material way before PagerDuty starts to reap the benefit of that of better growth?

Speaker 2

Yes. In fact, Sander, we haven't factored in improvement in the macro environment through incremental hiring intake. We've assumed that the macro stays as it is. And in fact, the value that we or the approach that we're taking is allowing us to position value for the customer that's independent of the headcount, right? So we're really attaching to the business value.

Speaker 1

And I would take that one step further and say if the macro did improve, we would see that as upside.

Speaker 4

Okay. That's a great way to frame it. Thank you, Jen. Thank you, Howard.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you. Next we'll hear from Joel Fishbeinad Trist.

Speaker 6

Thank you for taking my question. And I have a follow-up to Sanjeet's question about some of these large customers that you signed. I thought that was one of the most interesting takeaways. If you can like peel the onion back just a little bit on the 7 figure multiyear deals that, your CTO sponsored. Did this involve the entire operations cloud, number 1?

Speaker 6

What were the competitive dynamics around those deals? And then the third is, were there any tools that you can say that you've consolidated as part of that? I know a lot of it's DIY, but if there's anything you could point to, that'd be really helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes. I appreciate the question. In most of the examples we shared, in prepared remarks, the software company that we talked about that expanded in the quarter, they adopted all four pillars of the operations cloud. That's automation, AI ops, customer service ops, in addition to incident management. And in that case, we did displace a point solution in the AI ops space.

Speaker 1

And one of the trends that we're seeing is this realization that insight is just insight if you don't have the ability to action it. And the fact that our AIOf solution now serves centralized teams like SRE, like Knox or IT operations, but also is integrated into workflow automation. So you can go from learning to change immediately, really streamlines the process of improving the resilience of your technology ecosystem. And that has kind of become, I think, a really important, sort of characteristic that's driving more demand for the operations cloud. Another example I would point to is the entertainment and media company that we described where they adopted all of the operations cloud capabilities, but across multiple use cases, retail operations, on property customer experience as well as digital resilience, which is something they had been focused on previously with I'm I think what's unique about these two cases as well as the semiconductor customer we talked about is they all expanded on top of previous commitments to incident management or instant management plus automation, but also took on longer term commitments.

Speaker 1

And in many cases, our customers are asking for those. It's not just us enabling the sales force to position that opportunity. They're doubling down and saying, this is going to be my platform for real time operations. And that has been super encouraging. And what we're also seeing in the pipeline, stronger multiproduct pipeline to start the year, capacity sales capacity that positions us to exceed targets.

Speaker 1

So we're still investing in growth, but with, I think, the momentum of some of these proof points with other customers in hand.

Speaker 2

Yes. And I'll just add to that. Joel, you asked a question about competition. Yes, we are displacing competition, particularly in the area of AIOps. So since we introduced our new AIOps offering in April of last year with the consumption based metric, we're actually now at over 250 customers who are using that SKU and we are displacing other competitors with that.

Speaker 2

And that was because that is an offering that is really geared towards centralized teams that are managing high volumes of data and information having to action at speed.

Speaker 6

And are the margins similar in that SKU as to the other SKUs that you have Howard?

Speaker 2

Yes. So we managed to even with this consumption based metric, we managed to maintain, you saw this quarter a gross margin of 85%.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you. I'll cede the floor. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Okay. Next we'll hear from Rob Oliver at Baird. Rob, please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Great. Hey, good evening. Hi, Jen. Hi, Howard. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 5

I had 2. So Jen, one for you or Howard as well. Just on the sales pipeline for this year, which clearly you guys are more optimistic about, and sounds like a lot of that is stuff that you guys have put the work into control. Can you talk maybe a little bit of how we should think about the breakdown between expansion deals where it sounds like you guys have a really nice opportunity versus new logos, recognizing that headline customer logo numbers are impacted by the low end, really I'm just asking about kind of larger customers here. And then I'd add a follow-up.

Speaker 1

Yeah. I appreciate the question. In mid market and enterprise, customer logos actually grew. And we continue to see new customers coming to us looking for the ability to both improve their cost efficiency and at the same time increase velocity of their innovation or their time to market. And what makes me very optimistic is a few things that I both see when I'm out talking to customers and spending time with our customers, but also can see in our leading indicators.

Speaker 1

One is that technology has become a value driver as opposed to a cost center in just about every industry, whether it's healthcare, manufacturing, travel and hospitality, retail, etcetera. The second thing that we're seeing is, like I said, that certainty around what my budget envelope is and the fact that the operations cloud addresses some of the highest priority already budgeted initiatives that our customers are working on. And we're doing a much better job of matching ourselves to those initiatives as opposed to just selling technical features and functions to developers. And that's been a shift for the business. From a leading indicator perspective, large deal pipeline has improved dramatically.

Speaker 1

Conversion rates are back to where they were pre the macro dislocation. And like I said, we're seeing an increase in both multiproduct deals, so operations cloud deals as well as multiyear deals kind of underscored by that RPO, growing by over 30%. We also when I look across what needs to happen in this next year, as Howard mentioned earlier, we're not relying on the macro to improve. And in fact, there's upside if we were able to attack federal more like sooner than we currently have in plan. If generative AI uptake were to come on mainstream faster, we see that as a use case that drives more complexity, more software proliferation and therefore more incidents or if the macro were to improve.

Speaker 1

Those are all tailwinds. We're not factoring in to guidance today.

Speaker 5

Great. That's really helpful. Thanks, Jen. And Howard, for you, just recognizing the sort of dichotomy between the Q1 guide and the applied acceleration for the rest of the year. And you guys have talked about it, Ngen, just in response to my first question, talked about some of what gives you the comfort there.

Speaker 5

You did say that you're not you're not expecting an improvement in macro. I think I also heard you say that, that the low end pressures will ease a bit. And if I heard that correctly, I just wanted to understand a little bit better why that is. Is that better free to pay conversion, better visibility into the cohorting of those customers, something you guys are controlling? Any color there would be helpful.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Yeah.

Speaker 2

Yeah, sure. So when we look at that SMB segment, we've been tracking carefully what is happening with respect to churn and downgrade in that segment. We saw that really spike grow and accelerate through this past year, but we saw that stabilize and get a little bit better in Q4. So that gives us a view that we expect that this year a lot of that dislocation that happened around subscale enterprises has pretty much happened and that means that the impact will be less. We've also reduced our exposure to that segment by focusing on our growth in the enterprise and mid market.

Speaker 2

So whereas that segment has typically been close to 20%, that's now around 16% of our ARR and we are steadily moving upwards. And in fact, even with new customer acquisition, you asked that question around enterprise and mid market. Whilst we have seen impacts of churn in the SMB segment, we've seen high single digit growth in the enterprise and mid market segment through this year.

Speaker 5

Great, really helpful. Thanks to you both.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Okay. Next, we'll hear from Kingsley Crane with Conocoord Genuity. Kingsley, please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi, Jin. Hi, Howard.

Speaker 2

Hi, Kingsley.

Speaker 7

Thanks for taking the question. So the first one is, so it's interesting that on the industry analyst materials provided about naming names, I would say you're neck and neck with some really large traditional IT operations companies. So you've always differentiated yourself in the real time operations use case. But as you increasingly sign these $1,000,000 deals and involve top down selling motions, how often are you running into some of these companies, maybe this is the competition you mentioned earlier, versus still being greenfield?

Speaker 1

We still have the vast majority of customer lands regardless of segment tends to be greenfield because most customers don't have an incident management or automation platform to manage unstructured, unpredictable incidents. And these type of incidents tend to be also be high value or mission critical to resolve. The other thing that I would say is that some of these large companies that provide ticketing systems or workflow, they're really designed around longer timeline, lower criticality problems. And so in the time that it would take to raise a ticket, to push that ticket through a command and control approval process, you could be bleeding transactional revenue, you could be, exposing yourself to compliance risk, you could be losing customer subscribership in seconds, not minutes or hours. So it really is, a very different application to higher value, but shorter timeline use case.

Speaker 1

You know, I would, like underneath that definition of that type of real time work, you could include things like cybersecurity. The risk mitigation is certain associated with certain regulatory compliance, incident management, the management of large language models and AI based products and services, physical security. All of these things are very time sensitive and are not managed well through that sequential decision making process or one that requires you to know where the subject matter expertise in an organization is. And so by applying AI and automation in every point in the value chain from detection of the events to orchestration of the work to either people or an automated run book to the automation of diagnostic and even safe self healing or auto remediation of the technology ecosystem, we're very different in our approach. And at the same time, the market has become much more open to automation than maybe they were a year ago when they were thinking about protecting jobs.

Speaker 1

Like most of the leaders we talk to are looking for ways to take people out of these processes and really try and improve the level of automation. One of the questions I get asked is what percentage of my infra can you help me automate, right, which is not something you can do with a workflow solution that's built around people, knowing who the people are, knowing who owns the approval process.

Speaker 7

Right. No, very helpful. Well said. So, Howard, for you, just on the 9% to 11% growth guidance, any way to think about seat growth versus ARPU growth within that?

Speaker 2

Yes. So when we have a look at our model for growth with our customers through this year, we obviously have multiple levers, which is user will see growth has been one of the primary mechanisms for us. But increasingly, we're seeing customers adopting the operations cloud. So the contribution from new product, if you like, from AI ops, from automation and from customer service ops. We expect that to continue to be a large contributor.

Speaker 2

And as we mentioned in the prepared remarks, we now have instant management as 73 percent of our overall ARR. So the contribution from the other products is increasing.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you. Very helpful.

Speaker 3

Thank you so much. Next, we're moving to Andrew Sherman with TD Cowen. Andrew, please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks. Hey, congrats. Howard, so ARR is going to it's Andrew on for Derek, by the way. Hi, Andrew.

Speaker 8

Hi, Andrew. So ARR is going to be your leading indicator here in the second half. Any color on how much you think that can accelerate as we get into the second half?

Speaker 2

We haven't provided any specific guidance on that, Andrew, but our view is that we will see acceleration on that in the back half of the year. And part of that is because we have so much that's in place that we've already been able to demonstrate around being able to do these larger 6 and 7 figure deals, get customers to take multiple products, have them commit to multi year arrangements. And in fact, our new ARR this past quarter was the best it's been in 6 quarters, and our expansion ARR was the best it had been in 4 quarters. And our pipeline conversion improved from a real low in Q1 of last year right through back to the typical levels in Q4. So we believe that the changes and the adjustments that we've made have put us in a good place.

Speaker 2

Now, obviously, we have pipeline that goes out much further than we had historically. Instead of just the next quarter, we're looking 2, 3, 4 quarters out now. And that means that our ability to manage that is different, improved visibility, but also the opportunity to drive incremental growth given the gestation of those deals.

Speaker 8

That's great. Thanks. And Jen, you just had a big renewal quarter here. How would you characterize the behavior of that group versus your expectations going in? And is the top down C level approach kind of helping you drive these larger deals and it sounds like budgets have improved.

Speaker 8

So do you kind of see that continuing here in the next couple of quarters?

Speaker 1

Yes. I mean, there's no such thing as an overnight success in software, I don't think. But so it's been several quarters of working with customers. And in fact, many of our customers have trusted us for years, but just now have the budget capacity and the confidence in managing their own business volatility to make more strategic longer term agreements. And they see, you know, the platform opportunity as a way to consolidate some of the point solution players that are using for different things across the business.

Speaker 1

The other thing that we're seeing customers realize is that despite spending 1,000,000 of dollars on observability, they're still learning about major incidents from their customers. In some cases, it's 20%. In other cases, it's a significantly higher percentage. And so they're coming to us for So from my perspective, when I look at the promise of this change in behavior and kind of willingness to engage with us on a long term basis. The way I think about it is, it's a huge TAM.

Speaker 1

It's still a very early market. And you all know me, like I'm not going to be happy with 20% growth. Like we see ourselves as a growth company. We're putting ourselves in a position to be durable from a profitability perspective to produce cash flow. And I think we've emerged from a hard year much stronger and in a much more resilient operational position with the growth investments in place and the capacity to reaccelerate growth.

Speaker 8

Excellent. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you, team. Next, we're going to hear from Jacob Roberge with William Blair.

Speaker 9

Hey, thanks for taking questions. Hi, how are you? Just wanted to follow-up on that renewal question from Andrew. I know you called out some larger customer down sales last quarter in Q3. Did that stabilize in Q4 and kind of at the start of Q1 or were those still present throughout the quarter?

Speaker 2

Yes, we definitely saw an improvement, Jacob, in Q4. And that was really as a result of some of the measures we put in place a couple of quarters ago, which were really about engaging with customers earlier in the renewal cycle and ensuring that we were focused more particularly on how they were using the product and how they were getting value. So those changes that we made led to us being able to improve our gross retention in Q4, which is in fact our biggest renewals quarter. And so those obviously those changes are ongoing. It's not something that now we're done.

Speaker 2

We're going to continue with that program to ensure that we can sustain high levels of gross retention.

Speaker 9

Okay, helpful. And then great to hear that net new ARR was the best in a few quarters. Can you talk about what drove that performance? Was that mainly just stabilization in the core incident management business? Or was that more driven by some of those larger platform deals that you called out during the quarter?

Speaker 1

It was definitely driven by an improvement in cross selling and upselling. So I think we mentioned earlier that now 62% of our ARR comes from customers with 2 or more products. That's a 4 percentage point improvement over the previous quarter. And I see that as early momentum. When you look at some of these larger deals that we've been able to close over the last quarter, we feel confident that that is a trend that should continue over time, particularly as we've done a better job, I think, than we had in the past of driving awareness around what the operations cloud actually is, what it can do, and why bringing those 4 pillars together in an integrated platform is greater than the sum of the parts.

Speaker 1

And we've also invested in branding around this and invested in enablement and helping our sales reps make that transition from that more transactional, functional and technical sale to a technical individual or mid level manager to more of a business centric value driven conversation with a CIO and a CTO. And one other thing that I noticed is that the technology leaders that we're working with in the largest companies of the world are more technical than they used to be. So we deal with a CIO at a large investment bank who actually came out of a cloud based business as opposed to somebody who came out of a procurement or program management business. And that is a trend that I like seeing in the customer base.

Speaker 9

Very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 2

And I think I'd just add to that, Jacob, that 62% of our ARR coming from customers with more than 2 products. That was an improvement from 58% a year ago. And the way that that shows up is that when we look at the net new ARR within the quarter, we're seeing a much larger contribution coming from products outside of incident management. To the extent that now we're seeing this dynamic as customers adopt the operations card, where the incident management portion is smaller than the portion that's coming from the AI ops process automation or CS ops piece.

Speaker 3

Great. And thank you. From BofA Securities, in for Koji Ikeda, I believe. Let me go ahead and bring you on screen.

Speaker 2

I think you might be on mute.

Speaker 3

Oh, is your headset muted? It looks like Zoom has you unmuted.

Speaker 1

Nope. No audio.

Speaker 3

You can try unplugging it and plugging it back in maybe. Sorry for the trouble. We want to hear from you.

Speaker 1

You could mime the question.

Speaker 3

Sorry, we're still unable to hear you. Looks like they can hear us.

Speaker 4

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Well, Jennifer, what do you say? Should we close it up?

Speaker 1

Yeah. I mean, I'm happy to take a question in chat or we can close it out. Koji, are you I'm sorry. We can't hear you.

Speaker 3

Okay. Jen, over to you for

Speaker 1

final comments.

Speaker 3

Thank you so much.

Speaker 1

Well, look, I just want to thank everybody for joining us today. I am really proud of the operational resilience our teams continue to demonstrate, and I'm encouraged by the stability and the momentum emerging from our enterprise focus. More than anything, I appreciate the loyalty and our partners and the partnership our customers and our users have demonstrated over the last year, and we look forward to building on our long term vision to revolutionize operations. Thank you very much for joining us today.

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