United Homes Group Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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March 14, 2024

There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the United Homes Group 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Thursday, March 14, 2024. I would now like to turn the conference over to Erin Reeves McGinnis, General Counsel for United Homes Group.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to the United Homes Group's 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Call. Before the call begins, I would like to note that this call will include forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. United Homes Group cautions that forward looking statements are subject to numerous assumptions, risks and uncertainties, which change over time. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, the risk factors described by United Homes Group in its filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Accordingly, forward looking statements should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date, and you should not place undue reliance on these forward looking statements.

Speaker 1

We do not undertake any obligation to update forward looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date they were made, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as may be required under applicable securities laws. Additionally, reconciliations of non GAAP financial measures discussed on this call to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be accessed through the company's website and in its SEC filings. Hosting the call today are United Homes Group's President, Jack Micenko Chief Operating Officer, Shelton Twine and Chief Financial Officer, Keith Feldman. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Jack.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Aaron. Good morning and

Speaker 3

thank you for joining us today as we review our Q4 and full year 2023 results and provide an update on current market conditions. United Homes Group made great strides in 2023 by executing on several strategic initiatives that we believe will set us on a path to becoming a large scale production homebuilder in the Southeast United States. We're pleased with what we've accomplished during the year and believe that we're in a much better place both financially and operationally today than we were a year ago. Here's a brief recap of some of the highlights from the year. In the spring of 2023, Great Southern Homes and Diamond Head Holdings closed their business combination and resulted in the formation of United Homes Group, a land light homebuilder focused on building single family homes at affordable price points.

Speaker 3

The goal is to take Great Southern Homes' proven track record of success replicated in other high growth markets across the Southeast through acquisition of smaller private builders and a more efficient approach to land acquisition and development. Following the close of this transaction, we immediately set out putting our capital to use. In August, we announced the acquisition of Herring Homes in Raleigh, North Carolina. Quickly followed up with the acquisition of Rosewood Communities in the upstate region of South Carolina in October. The Herring acquisition marked our initial foray into the attractive Raleigh Durham market, while Rosewood solidified our already strong presence in the Greenville, Spartanburg and Clemson markets.

Speaker 3

Subsequent to the end of the year, we announced a 3rd acquisition, Creekside, which has a strong presence in the coastal area of South Carolina. Similar to Herring and Rosewood, Creekside fits nicely into our landline strategy as well as affordable product focus. Our teams have already done a great job integrating these acquisitions into our existing homebuilding platform and look forward to their positive contributions in 2024. We continue to actively pursue other acquisition opportunities that have fit our company from an operational and cultural standpoint while remaining disciplined in our underwriting standard. With respect to our land acquisition development efforts, we remained active in 2023 fortifying our existing market presence with the pipeline of new lots.

Speaker 3

We strive to remain as land light as possible with the goal of minimizing the risk associated with carrying the land as well as capital need to hold it on our balance sheet. Throughout the year, we expanded our relationships with land bankers giving us more avenues through which we can employ this strategy. By controlling land via third parties, we can utilize our capital more efficiently and focus our efforts on creating value by doing what we know best, which is building and selling homes. We remain focused on the more affordable segments of the market as evidenced by our average closing price for production of homes of 316,000 for the full year 2023. We believe that the lack of affordable resale home inventory will be a prevailing issue for some time while the entry level buyer cohort will continue to make up a good portion of demand.

Speaker 3

We are however starting to broaden out our product portfolio to appeal to more move up buyers and expectations the existing home market will begin to thaw at some point. In summary, United Homes Group exited 2023 with a lot of momentum. We successfully folded 2 smaller homebuilders into our operation and added a third into the early part of the New Year. We also improved our land banking capabilities and maintained the land life focus on keeping our balance sheet in great shape. As a result, we think United Homes Group is well positioned to build on our successes in 2023 and into the future.

Speaker 3

Now I'd like to turn the call over to Sheldon, who will provide more detail on our operational performance in the quarter.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jack, and good morning to everyone. Net new orders for the Q4 came in at 294, representing an 8% increase over the Q4 of 2022. Demand picked up into the start of the New Year as we generated 260 net new orders in total for the months of January February combined. We have seen good traffic trends at our communities and improved buyer confidence as evidenced by our lower cancellation rates of 10.1% for the quarter and 6.2% for the 1st 2 months of the year. Incentives remain a key selling tool, particularly ones that drive affordability.

Speaker 2

Though we have been able to raise base prices at a handful of communities that have been experiencing above average absorptions. We closed 387 homes in the 4th quarter, which was flat on a year over year basis. We made a concerted effort to ramp up our starts during the quarter to make sure we had enough homes in production ahead of the coming spring selling season. We started 308 unsold homes during the quarter, which was a 75% increase over last year. We continue to see healthy demand for move in ready homes and we are well equipped to meet this demand as we move through the spring.

Speaker 2

Cycle times came down during the quarter and we are now back to building homes in roughly 3 months' time. These shorter cycle times will go a long way towards improving our inventory turns and getting homes closed in a more timely manner. We are constantly looking for ways to take cost out of the business and improve our processes, a mindset that has been a part of our organization from the beginning. Overall, we feel good about current market conditions. The spring selling season is off to a solid start and we are seeing a steady flow of motivated and engaged buyers come through our communities.

Speaker 2

Affordability remains an issue for some buyers, but we have several incentive tools at our disposal that can help address that. The availability of labor and materials has improved greatly as compared to last year, leading to shorter cycle times and better visibility into our operations. We're very optimistic about the long term health of our existing markets and look forward to expanding our homebuilding footprint as we execute on our growth initiatives. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Keith, who will provide more color on our financial performance.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Jack and Sheldon, and good morning. For the Q4 of 2023, net loss was $67,000,000 which included a change in fair value of $69,000,000 primarily related to the accounting for the potential earn out, which will fluctuate on our financial statements each quarter based on our ending stock price. This earn out will be paid only in common shares upon reaching certain stock price hurdles and can never result in a cash expense for the company. For the year ended December 31, 2023, net income was $125,000,000 which included a change in fair value of $116,000,000 primarily related to the accounting for the potential earn out liabilities. Revenue for the Q4 of 2023 was $117,000,000 compared to $115,000,000 for the Q4 of 2022.

Speaker 4

Revenue for the year was $421,000,000 compared to $477,000,000 in 2022. Home closings during the Q4 of 2023 were 387 homes compared to 389 homes in the Q4 of 2022. Closings for the year were approximately 1400 homes compared to approximately 1600 homes in the prior year. Average sales price during the Q4 of 2023 was $320,000 for 338 production built homes. This compares to an average sales price of $300,000 during the Q4 of 2022 for 3 71 production built homes.

Speaker 4

Average sales price for the year was 316,000 dollars for approximately 1300 production built homes. This compares to an average sales price of $296,000 during 20 22 for approximately 1500 production built homes. As Shelton mentioned, our net new orders during the Q4 of 2023 were 294 homes compared to 271 homes in the Q4 of 2022. Net new orders for the year were approximately 1300 homes compared to approximately 12 60 homes in 2022. Our backlog at the end of the Q4 was 189 homes with a value of approximately $58,000,000 Net new orders in January February of 'twenty four were 260 Homes, up from 242 Homes in January February of 2023.

Speaker 4

Gross profit for the Q4 of 2023 was $22,000,000 and gross profit for the full year of 2023 was $80,000,000 Adjusted gross profit, which excludes the impact of capitalized interest and purchase accounting adjustments and cost of sales, was $25,000,000 for the 4th quarter $90,000,000 for the year. Adjusted gross profit margin for the Q4 was 21.8%. For the year, adjusted gross profit margin was 21.4%. SG and A expense in the Q4 of 2023 was approximately $18,000,000 Adjusted for one time transaction fees and non cash stock based compensation expense, adjusted SG and A was approximately $17,000,000 or 14% of revenue for the 4th quarter. As of today, we have 63 active communities, which included our recently closed Rosewood and Creekside acquisitions.

Speaker 4

As of December 31, 2023, we had approximately 9,000 lots under control from our land development affiliate as well as from third parties. We had $57,000,000 in cash $24,000,000 of availability on our credit facility as of December 31, 2023, resulting in total liquidity of 81,000,000 dollars That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open up the line for questions.

Operator

Thank Our first question comes from the line of Carl Reichardt from BTIG. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Good morning, everybody. Nice to talk

Speaker 4

to you all as usual.

Speaker 5

So I had a couple for you. Shelton, first, you talked a little bit about having some pricing power in a few communities. I wondered if you could expand a little bit on that. Was there a particular location or price point where you saw that power? And sort of an adjacent question is, how are you looking at your lower priced product performance from a sales traffic turnover rate perspective and your higher priced product?

Speaker 5

And has there been any alteration or difference as you started the New Year?

Speaker 2

Yes. On the first question, Carl, we're starting to see some communities primarily in the Midlands, in the upstate in our markets where we are starting to see some price increases. So that's a positive. On the lower price product, we are seeing good margins on all of that product. And in terms of the way we utilize our forward commitment on our incentive piece, that's what's been really good in terms of keeping our conversion rates high and relatively low on the cancellation side because again, that's such a short window on the forward commitment piece tied in with we're selling completed inventory.

Speaker 2

So that's where we're very optimistic again in getting those turns and managing that cancellation rate.

Speaker 3

Carl, I would say we were able to see some price increases in around 10% to 15% of our communities in the Q1 and that was a refreshing change is probably the first time we've seen that in 3 or 4 quarters.

Speaker 5

All right. That's helpful. Thanks guys. And then can you talk a little bit about your plans for community count expansion in 2024? I don't need to give specifics, but sort of a rough sense of ex acquisitions, how you might be looking to grow the business from a store count perspective in this coming year?

Speaker 3

Yes, without giving guidance on an organic basis, I think we would be comfortable talking about a high single digit, low double digit organic store count increase for full year 'twenty four versus full year 'twenty three.

Speaker 5

Is that percentage or number of stores, Jack?

Speaker 3

Percentage of the number of stores. Percentage.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then my last question is, I think I've asked this a couple of times before, just on acquisitions as you're out there looking,

Speaker 4

it seems like

Speaker 5

a bit of a mixed environment. We're seeing some things happen. We've heard some private builders have been looking at their capital structure, their land position and wondering about the future. And I'm just curious, sort of what you're seeing and feeling. Does it feel like an easier environment or more deals coming over the Transom now versus 6 to 9 months ago or fewer?

Speaker 5

And how is asked pricing?

Speaker 3

Like homebuilding, I think there's a lag effect from when you actually have the conversations or when you contract, then when you actually close the home or close the transaction. The headwinds from last year, the significant move in rates, I think it brought more conversations to the table. I don't know if we've seen the conversion of those conversations to closings, both on conversations we've had and deals we know that have been marketed. And there have been a few that were actively marketed assets over the course of 2023 that have made the headlines. But there's a lot of conversations and a lot of assets that haven't gotten over the transom.

Speaker 3

So I don't know, I think the appetite of sellers increased last year because of the environment they were we're all looking at and contending with. But we can also tell you that no surprise to anybody in this call, the picture has improved really since January. And if history is a gauge, some of those folks that might have been entertaining a sale 6, 9 months ago might be feeling pretty good about their business this spring. So it's kind of a mixed bag. We continue to have conversations regularly, introductory, ongoing conversations.

Speaker 3

We want to be in the mix when a potential seller does finally pull the trigger. We want them to know what our story is and how we're different, that we're another option to them when they decide to monetize their business.

Speaker 4

Great. I appreciate that, Jack. Thanks so much, guys. Nice to talk to you. Thanks, Carl.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Carl.

Operator

Thank you. We have our next question coming from the line of Chris Plumb from Paul Pines Capital. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Hey, Chris.

Speaker 2

Hey, guys. What are you guys seeing in terms of just overall gross margins for this year versus last year, just with current market dynamics out there?

Speaker 3

Yes, I think we feel comfortable with the margin outlook that for us is flat year to year. We ended the year last year a little bit north of a 21% adjusted margin, 21.5%, 21.4%, something like that. I think costs build costs have moderated some, obviously, lumber has come down, but where we're giving a lot of it back is on the financing side. And financing incentives are a cost of doing business like windows or lumber or anything else. We have to do it.

Speaker 3

The competition is doing it. It gives us a great leg up on existing market. But for and remember, we're a spec builder. So these financing incentives really only apply because of the way the financing buy downs and forward commitments work. We really can only apply these to homes that are going to be completed in the next 60, 90 days, which fortunately for us is a big part of our business and it goes a long ways to the affordability side.

Speaker 3

But that's when you look at that impact we look at it every single week and we look at it multiple times a week and we're buying tranches all the time. That's a 3 to that's 4 like a 4 to 6 100 basis point headwind to top line margins. So I guess the other way to put that would be if interest rates weren't north of 7%, I think industry our margins would be closer to that 26%, 28% range, all else equal. Now you got to be realistic and if rates do come down, what I've learned about the business is there's no free lunch. You're going to get back some of that on cost.

Speaker 3

You're going to get some of that on materials. But right now, financing is the biggest delta to fully loaded margin in ours and I would assume with most other builders that you talk to.

Speaker 2

Okay, great. One last question, is there any plans to increase the credit facility? And if so, what type of leverage are you guys on the EBITDA are you guys comfortable with as a company?

Speaker 3

I'll answer the first part of that and I'll let Keith kind of weigh in on the second part. But I don't think we would look to increase our credit facility standalone today given our capacity absent an M and A transaction that would acquire it. And I don't think the leverage would increase per se. We would just be adding incremental volume and assets and EBITDA. I don't think we have an appetite to increase our leverage ratios outside of our working capital lines.

Speaker 3

I don't see subordinated debt or other straight debt. We've got the $80,000,000 out today on the convertible note. I don't think we would see that number increase. Debt, we have a saying right here, debt kills cyclical businesses, we're not looking to be over levered. On the line itself and some of the covenants and ratios.

Speaker 3

Keith, you want to chime in?

Speaker 4

Yes. I mean, Chris, we look at it more on a debt to book value. So I think we're comfortable at like 2 times. So like Jack said, we're not looking to overlever. We're looking to delever over time.

Speaker 4

But I think around 2 times on a debt to cap basis or debt to book value basis seems reasonable to us kind of where we are today.

Speaker 2

Okay, great. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

There seems to be no further questions at this time. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Micenko for final closing comments.

Speaker 3

Well, thank you everybody for participating in our Q4 call and look forward to updating you on the progress we make through the balance of the spring selling season in a few months on our Q1 call in May. Thanks everybody. Have a great end of the week and weekend.

Operator

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines. Have a lovely day.

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