NASDAQ:SHIP Seanergy Maritime Q4 2023 Earnings Report $5.47 +0.10 (+1.86%) Closing price 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$5.46 -0.01 (-0.18%) As of 04:05 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Seanergy Maritime EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.55Consensus EPS $0.14Beat/MissBeat by +$0.41One Year Ago EPSN/ASeanergy Maritime Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$39.43 millionExpected Revenue$33.90 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$5.53 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ASeanergy Maritime Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date3/15/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateFriday, March 15, 2024Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsSeanergy Maritime's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 13, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Seanergy Maritime Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMarch 15, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Synergy Maritime Holdings Corp. Conference Call on the 4th Quarter and Year Ended December 31, 2023 Financial Results. We have with us today Mr. Stamatis Santonis, Chairman and CEO and Mr. Starroch Kifchakis, Chief Financial Officer of Synergy Maritime Holdings Call. Operator00:00:23At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. There will be a presentation followed by question and answer session. Please be advised that this conference is recorded today, Friday, March 15, 2024. The archived webcast of the conference call will soon be made available on the Synergy Web site, www.synergymaritime.com. To access today's presentation and listen to the archived audio file, visit the Synergy website following the Webcasts and Presentations section under the Investor Relations page. Operator00:01:08Please now turn to Slide 2 of the presentation. Many of the remarks today contain forward looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results may differ materially from the results projected from those forward looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that can cause the actual results to differ materially from those in the forward looking statements is contained in the Q4 year ended December 31, 2023 earnings release, which is available on the Synergy website, again, www.synergymaritime.com. I would now like to turn the conference over to one of your speakers today, the Chairman and CEO of the company, Mr. Operator00:01:51Stamatis Santonis. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:01:59Thank you, operator. Hello. I would like to welcome everyone to our conference call. Today, we're presenting the financial results for the Q4 and full year period of 2023, together with an update on our main corporate developments. Let's move into Slide number 3. Speaker 100:02:182023 was one of the most volatile years for the Capesize market. We experienced a wide range of freight rates that bottomed at $2,200 per day in Q1 and peaked at almost $55,000 a day in Q4. Despite this extreme volatility, Synergy was very well placed to take advantage of a strong rebound in the Capesize market that transpired in the Q4 of 2023. As a result, we delivered another profitable year building on our robust commercial performance, our hedging activities and the investments we have made in improving our vessels' efficiency over the years. In doing so, we have successfully navigated the extreme freight rate instability and achieved a healthy mix of fleet growth, accretion and cash dividends. Speaker 100:03:09We ended the Q4 of 2023 with a net income of approximately $10,800,000 which compares very favorably with a net income of 0.5 $1,000,000 reported in the Q4 of 2022. Following a strong 2023 Q4, the Capesize market is currently undergoing the best Q1 since 2011. This is a result of higher raw material trade flows, limited fleet growth over the past year as well as disruptions in key areas. Consistent with our commitment to reward our shareholders, our Board of Directors declared a total cash dividend of $0.10 per share consisting of a special dividend of $0.075 on top of the $0.025 regular dividend for the quarter. This results in a dividend payout ratio exceeding 100% for the full year period of 2023, while we're currently evaluating our options to further increase capital returns to our shareholders provided that the underlying conditions allow. Speaker 100:04:18In addition to our cash dividend distributions, since 2023, we have completed $2,500,000 dollars in share buybacks or about 2% of our shares outstanding at an average price of $5.12 which is about 44% lower than the current market price. Additionally, in December, we repaid the 3,200,000 dollars outstanding balance under our convertible note addressing a long standing legacy overhang over our share price, while simplifying our capital structure. Apart from this, during 2023, we refinanced approximately $53,800,000 of indebtedness and following these transactions, there are no other debt maturities until the Q2 of 2025. We are pleased to see Synergy making parallel progress in our strategic objectives of rewarding shareholders, taking advantage of growth opportunities and maintaining a strong balance sheet. I would like to add that we view our balanced capital allocation as the best way to serve the long term interest of our shareholders. Speaker 100:05:25Moving on to Slide number 4. Here we illustrate our priority in capital returns to our shareholders. Since March 2022, we have declared a total of approximately $26,400,000 or $1.45 per share through a mix of regular and special cash dividend distributions. That represents about 16% of our current share price. In terms of buybacks, the total securities repurchased including common stock, convertible notes and warrants amount to approximately $41,000,000 Moving on to Slide number 5. Speaker 100:06:03Here we review the commercial performance of our fleet. First, I would like to point out that we generally over performed the BCI index. In a highly volatile Capesize market, our 2023 TCE performance of $17,500 exceeded about the Capesize index average of $16,400 approximately. This makes 2 consecutive years of us over performing the BCI index. In addition, we have focused on acquiring high quality vessels to our fleet comprised of Japanese vessels from the most reputable yards with significantly improved fuel efficiency characteristics. Speaker 100:06:45The qualitative improvement of our fleet that leads to increased MX capacity is a continuous priority for us. Looking ahead to 2024 against the promising backdrop of the Q1, we believe that our performance would remain solid. Assuming current FSAs, we expect our Q1 2024 daily time charter equivalent to be equal to approximately $23,200 We have also taken advantage of the recent upswing in freight futures and hedged approximately 58% of our 2nd quarter ownership days at a fixed gross rate of approximately $28,300 Concerning our fleet growth initiatives, during the Q4, we took delivery of our 1st Newcastle MAX vessel, which we had agreed to charter in on a bareboat basis. The underlying acquisition price is well in the money and since its delivery, the vessel commenced employment under an index linked time charter at a significant premium to the BCI. Furthermore, in the Q1, we agreed to acquire a Capesize build in 2013 in Japan and we expect to take delivery by the end of the second quarter. Speaker 100:07:57Both transactions have been very well timed. This concludes my recap of our developments in the Q4 and to date. And I'm now passing the floor to Stavros before returning to discuss the outlook of the Capesize market. Stavros, please go ahead. Thank you, Stamatou. Speaker 100:08:15Welcome everyone to our earnings call. Let us start with Slide 6 by reviewing the main highlights of our financial statements for the Q4 and the 12 months period that ended on December 31, 2023. We actually had a great Q4 on the back of a very robust Capesize freight market and our effective operating platform. Our net revenues was equal to $39,400,000 38% higher than the respective period last year based on a time charter equivalent of $24,900 Our adjusted EBITDA and our net income were also significantly improved year on year amounting to $23,900,000 $10,800,000 respectively. On an annual basis, our net revenues was equal to $110,200,000 slightly lower than last year due to the slower than expected Capesize market recovery in the 1st 9 months of 2023. Speaker 100:09:15However, we recorded an average time charter equivalent of 17,500 outpacing once again the DCI by approximately 7%. Our adjusted EBITDA was equal to $53,000,000 and our net income reached $2,300,000 reflecting the challenges faced earlier in the year. Moving on to our balance sheet, Our cash position remains strong in 2023 at $24,900,000 or approximately $1,500,000 per vessel. This is despite consistent dividend payments, security buybacks and hefty debt amortization schedule. In Slide 7, it is evident that despite the weaker than expected Capesize market during the 1st 9 months of the year, we achieved another profitable year with an adjusted EBITDA of $53,000,000 This can be attributed to our effective commercial strategy throughout the year, which helped us hedge against some of the downward market pressures. Speaker 100:10:12Additionally, our solid operating leverage allowed us to capitalize on the strength of the market in the Q4. On the expense side, we retain our daily OpEx per vessel at practically the same levels with the previous year despite the inflationary pressures. This reflects our strategic decision to increase the number of vessels managed on our in house management platform. With all these actions, our adjusted EBITDA margin for the year remained strong at 48%, closely aligning with the previous year's performance. Moving on to Slide 8, we discussed our debt optimization and overall deleveraging efforts throughout 2023. Speaker 100:10:55Starting with our debt structure, our debt outstanding at the end of 2023 was equal to 235,000,000 dollars This includes loans, finance leases and remaining payments under our bareboat in vessels including respective purchase options and corresponds to approximately $13,900,000 per vessel, almost half of the average market value of our vessels as per the end of last year. Our debt repayments reduced our corporate leverage to 47% during 2023 with more than 90% of our debt covered by the scrap value of the fleet based on current scrap prices. Here, it is worth mentioning that Synergy achieved another significant milestone this year by fully repaying the last outstanding convertible note totaling $11,200,000 During the year, we successfully concluded $53,800,000 of refinancings, reducing the underlying pricing in overall terms, while also adding $15,000,000 in liquidity at that time. Equally importantly, we have now addressed all loan maturities until the Q2 of 2025. Meanwhile, we are in advanced discussions with a potential lender for the financing of our latest Skepsis acquisition, as Thomas mentioned earlier. Speaker 100:12:13This strategic move is anticipated to further enhance our interest margin profile and improve the overall structure of our debt. On the interest expense front, we did see an increase compared to the previous year, which was driven by the increased reference rate despite the sharp decrease achieved in the interest margin of our facilities. We expect this cost to decrease in the coming quarters following the anticipated interest rate cuts from the central banks. Moving on to Slide 9, we highlight our great potential for profitability in 2024. We anticipate a significant increase in EBITDA compared to 2023 even if DCI rates average to the figures seen in 2023. Speaker 100:12:55If the current FFA curve materializes, our EBITDA profitability could be remarkable, reaching close to $115,000,000 It's worth mentioning that in 2023, our overall premium over the BCI for our fleet improved, reflecting our investments in the energy efficiency of our vessels and our effective commercial strategy. In addition, we have fixed on 60% of fleet days for the 2nd quarter at an average rate of approximately 28,300. In summary, we remain optimistic about our profitability in 2024 and our overall liquidity are feeding our ability to continue rewarding our shareholders while enhancing the composition of our fleet. This concludes my review. I will now turn the call back to Samaty, who will discuss the market and industry fundamentals. Speaker 100:13:45Samaty? Thanks, Alvaro. Let's move to Slide number 10. Despite the gloomy predictions for 2023, ton mile demand for the year was actually 6% higher as compared to 2022. That resulted in a much greater number of cargoes of iron ore, coal and bauxite that exceeded an incremental of 170,000,000 tons. Speaker 100:14:08As we repeated in our previous discussions, the freight rate volatility of the year was driven mainly by the effective supply of vessels during the year. Since the start of Q4 of 2023, the Capesize market has strengthened considerably, which was carried forward into the Q1 of 2024. This has led to the strongest BCI average rate in more than a decade. This positive effect has also been apparent in asset prices with KXI's values arising since the end of Q3 between 20% and even 40% depending on the vintage and individual vessel specifications. Moving on to Slide 11. Speaker 100:14:48In the current year, our outlook remains very positive. The recovery in global manufacturing as well as extensive infrastructure investments may drive further growth in seaborne trade of raw materials. With the expectation of a gradually lower interest rate environment, manufacturing and infrastructure investments will continue to flourish. Overall, 20 24 ton mile demand growth for Capesize cargoes is expected to be about 3.5% to 4% increase. And given the current momentum, positive demand growth is likely to continue into 2025 with projected ton mile growth of around 2.5%. Speaker 100:15:29Moving on to Slide 12. Turning to vessel supply. In deadweight terms, the order book for Capesize vessels currently stands at about the same levels of 2,004, 20 years back, while replacement needs have grown considerably since then due to stringent environmental regulations. Overall, net Capesize fleet growth is expected at around 2.5% in 2024 and 1.5% in 2025, both lower than the respected ton mile demand growth in nominal figures. Beyond the low order book, fleet efficiency has returned historical average levels, which suggests that effective fleet supply is unlikely to grow further except for short term events. Speaker 100:16:16Capesize vessel speed has already fallen in the past decade from about 12, 12.5 to approximately 10.5, 11 knots. Strong drybulk markets in the past years have not resulted in speed increases and we believe that this trend is sustainable due to the implementation of CEII, EXI and other regulations that will affect the efficiency of the vessels. To close today's call, we want to emphasize that we are executing a clear strategy that includes rewarding shareholders through capital returns, investing in our fleet to drive growth and efficiencies and maintaining a strong balance sheet. The actions we have taken to grow our fleet substantially over the past 3 years with quality assets and strengthen our financial position have placed Synergy in a prime position to benefit from a healthy freight market as the Capesize segment enjoys the best demand supply fundamentals in the drybulk space. As a result, we expect to generate significant cash flows that will facilitate further shareholder value creation moving forward. Speaker 100:17:26This concludes our remarks, and I would like to turn the call back to the operator and answer any questions you may have. Operator, please take the call. Thank you. Operator00:17:39Thank you. And the questions come from the line of Tate Sullivan from Maxim Group. Please ask your question. Your line is open. Speaker 200:18:10Great. Thank you for taking my question. And just a first sight, a grapeseed is special dividend, did not anticipate that. And just for modeling purposes, when is that payable, the special dividend and the quarterly dividend you just announced, please? Is it this quarter or this quarter? Speaker 100:18:29Hello, Tate. Good morning. Speaker 200:18:31How are you? Good morning. Great. Thank you. Speaker 100:18:34Thank you very much. Well, as we have stated, it's going to be payable approximately on the 10th April. Speaker 200:18:41Okay. Thank you. Okay. And then also the Capesize acquisition, the 2013 built shipped for $34,000,000 seems, I mean, roughly in line with historical acquisitions in the last couple of years. Have you seen a good deal flow recently before the recent rally? Speaker 200:18:59Can you talk about the S and P market a bit? Speaker 100:19:02The answer is yes. We have seen a big inflow of a big activity of transactions the last few weeks. People are buying a lot of capes, and we have seen older ships and the inferior to the ones that we have been purchasing being sold at very firm values. So we strongly believe if we compare this particular acquisition with the recent precedents that we have experienced in the market that it stands in a very, very advantageous position. So the answer is yes, of course. Speaker 200:19:38And Scott, can you talk about how much leverage you might add for that Ship acquisition and the loan to value ratio for the whole fleet currently or after the recent escalation in values that you've seen? Speaker 100:19:52Well, we're very conservative in all our transactions. So overall leverage of the company, as you know, stands at around 50%. So it's something very logical here. And it's an amortizing leverage that we have. And in this particular transaction, we're going to play at around, I don't know, 50%, 60% combined maybe with other assets or leasing transactions. Speaker 100:20:15We are in the process of finalizing terms. I cannot disclose anything further at this point. Speaker 200:20:22Okay. Thank you. And then you announced the Safe Craft announcement about installing a hydrogen tank and associate fuel cell equipment to generate electricity. Should we will this take place over the next year or so on 1 year vessels? Has it already taken place? Speaker 200:20:37Can you talk more about that? Speaker 100:20:39Yes. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak a little bit more about that. First of all, we are the only the first and only Greek shipping company to participate in this innovative project that is being mostly funded by the European Union. So you can understand the importance that this project has for us. We are in the process of selecting the assets and finalizing the selection of the assets that will be eligible for this particular, how do you say it, conversion, installing of these devices that we need to install. Speaker 100:21:14So it's not just the hydrogen tanks, it's a more complicated element that we need to install on the ship and it takes much longer. And we will hopefully finalize the selection of these vessels in the next month or so. And the process of installing them will take place during the drydock of 2025. We will require a very extensive excuse me, we'll require a very extensive study of the ship going forward and the impact. So once we finalize that and do the three d Okay, all right. Speaker 100:21:57Well, thank you very much. Speaker 200:22:00Okay, right. Thank you very much. Speaker 100:22:03Thank you, Tate. Operator00:22:06Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the questions come from the line of Michael Haim from Noble Capital Markets. Please ask Speaker 300:22:21Regarding the acquisition of the ICON ship, will that $34,000,000 expenditures fall into the Q2 when the ship is received? Speaker 100:22:32Well, yes. I mean, we have already paid a deposit on the ship. So the actual full expenditure and delivery of the vessel will most likely happen within May, we expect. But just to be a little bit more conservative, let's assume within by the end of the Q2, yes. Speaker 300:22:51Okay. And then would you review your plans for dry docking ships in 2024? Speaker 100:22:59Well, we are pretty much, how do you say, flexible on that front. It all depends on the schedule. We have a very light schedule for 2024 altogether. So it's not going to be a heavy year on dry docks altogether. So it's something very manageable in our opinion, 2024 dry dock schedule. Speaker 300:23:22Okay. And then finally, I noticed a big rise in the interest and other income line in the 4th quarter, even though the cash position was relatively the same. Could you explain what other items might fall into that line item? Speaker 400:23:41There's no other major items to expect now, Mike. On the expense on the cash expense side, I mean, we expect interest expense to remain at pretty much similar levels, so around $2,500 per vessel per day, dollars 2,500,000 to $2,750,000 per vessel per day, and that's about it. I mean, also on the G and A front, you should expect 2023 to provide a good proxy for 2024. We don't expect major movements out of these figures. Now, of course, as everybody expects, base interest rates should start coming off and this will have a direct reflection in our bottom line. Speaker 400:24:28We have done what we should have done from our side in reducing our interest margins to a great extent over the last couple of years. So as soon as you see base rates decreasing that will reflect very nicely in our bottom line. Speaker 500:24:43Okay. Thank you. Speaker 100:24:45Thanks, Mike. Operator00:24:49Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the questions come from the line of Liam Burke from B. Riley Financial. Please ask your question. Speaker 600:25:01Thank you. Good afternoon, Stamatis. Good afternoon, Stavros. Speaker 100:25:05Hello, Liam. Hi, good morning. Samadis, the outlook for the Capes looks Speaker 600:25:12very, very strong for 2023. It's anticipated that China steel production would be relatively flat from last year. So looking at the iron ore trade, where do you see some of the offsets to flat China steel production this year? Speaker 100:25:32Well, first of all, we are very happy with the figures that we experienced in 2023. If you recall, same time last year, everybody was talking about the bankruptcies of Evergrande the other big developer in China. So everybody was very gloomy about the Chinese demand for iron ore as well as the steel production. And of course, it was for the local demand and the housing crisis in China, it was it appeared to be quite severe. However, we've had a 6% increase in ton miles, so a huge import increase in China of raw materials associated with that trade like iron ore, coal and bauxite. Speaker 100:26:12And of course, a very big increase in the exports of steel products. So even if there were gloomy predictions in the beginning, the actual trade inbound and of course outbound from China has been very, very strong. So the big variations of freight rates in 2023 is not attributable to demand. The demand was particularly strong and one of the strongest demands we've seen in the last 5 years. It was attributable to the effective supply of ships. Speaker 100:26:41While we did not have a big increase of the fleet on a nominal basis by deliveries of new buildings in 2023, We had big variations in respect of congestion and various other trade problems in various areas. The reason why we saw the sharp decrease in the Q2 of the year and of course in Q1 was the fact that the grain corridor in the Black Sea was unwound and a lot of Panamax and Kamsarmax and Supramax vessels were automatically released, about 200 ships were released looking for employment. From September onwards, we saw congestion creeping up to the historical averages. Then we had the Panama Canal situation where kind of locked a number of smaller ships at that area. And then the Red Sea, the Red Sea situation is something that is still we still wait to see the effect of that problems and the fact that the vessels are deviating around the Cape of Good Hope. Speaker 100:27:44So overall, I strongly believe that demand will continue to be very healthy in 2024, even if it remains at the same numbers like 23, it's a very strong and very healthy demand. And the actual variation of the freight rates will be a derivative of the effective supply of vessels. So the less ships available and the bigger the deviations to avoid conflict areas, the higher the rates. And I strongly believe that the effect of the Red Sea is the full effect of the Red Sea deviation is yet to be seen. We will see that towards mid to end of Q2 in our opinion. Speaker 100:28:23I hope that covers your question. Speaker 600:28:25Yes, it sure does. Thank you. The other question I had is on the special dividend. Is that going to be incorporated in your normal capital allocation program? Speaker 100:28:36Well, for us, it's very important to reward our shareholders and we have demonstrated historically that we have paid hefty dividends to our shareholders to the extent that cash flow and cash balances allow. When we had experienced a very volatile year like 2023, where rates ranged from $2,500 a day to $55,000 a day, you can imagine that we must be cautious with the distribution of our cash. However, as we have stated in our release, we have already fixed a number of our vessels for Q1 and of course for Q2. So we have crystallized a big amount of our cash flow. And if the situation allows, we might incorporate the special dividend into the regular dividend or further increase the special dividend. Speaker 100:29:25We have not decided yet. We will wait and see. But the overall strategy is to reward the shareholders as much as we can. Speaker 600:29:34Great. Thank you very much. Speaker 100:29:36Thank you. Nice to hear from you. Operator00:29:51Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the questions come from the line of from Arctic Securities. Please ask your question. Your line is open. Speaker 500:30:06Hello, guys. Thank you for taking my question. How are you? Speaker 100:30:11Hello and very good afternoon. Nice to hear from you and sorry to hold the conference call on the Friday, so late for European time. Speaker 500:30:20No, no. That's perfectly fine. And obviously, congrats on a very good quarter, strong finish to the year. And I must say that the Capesize transaction seems to be extremely well done. I mean, we have a generic Capesize built in 2013 valued at SEK 40,000,000 now. Speaker 500:30:43So already deep in the net money. So congrats on that. I was just wondering if you could comment on what has driven recent strength in the market during Q1? And sort of if the strength in Q1 is driven by a very strong volume growth, what should we expect from the remainder of the area if sort of the upside of volumes is already taken out? So what's your view on that? Speaker 100:31:14Well, thank you. As I mentioned to Liam before, I believe that the current strengthening of the Capesize rates is a combination, first of all, of the restocking of China. I remind you that in December, the Chinese iron ore stockpiles were down at 105,000,000 tons. Now it's the beginning of the construction season in China, so they need to restock iron ore. They produced a very strong amount of steel last year, and we expect them to be consistent this year as well for a number of reasons. Speaker 100:31:45I believe that the and we have discussed this extensively internally that the variation of the rates for 2024 will be a product of how the effective vessel supply is going to be moving around the world. We still see the Red Sea disruptions affecting. In our case, they have affected about 20% of our fleet, which is very strong. Assuming that the rest of the market, the Capesize market is half of how much we have affected or even a quarter of that, you still have anywhere between 5% 10% of the global fleet being affected by the Red Sea. And that when you're moving products in such long distances, prolonging the voyage by anywhere 15 to 25 days, that's a material increase of the ton mile. Speaker 100:32:36So assuming all that remains the same and we don't see any normalization anytime soon, I believe that the supply deficit will continue to be dominant in the market and we will see a very strong level of rates. Now if in the summer, the war ends and the foot is allowed, passages to continue and there is no congestions nowhere, then we might see some softening in the market. But overall, I think the predictions right now are that the vessel supply will continue to be constrained a lot. Speaker 500:33:14I agree and thanks a lot for answering my question. With regards to capital allocation, I mean, obviously, the distribution, the special dividend, this was a very positive surprise. Going forward into 2024, how do you sort of consider additional buybacks compared to potential special dividends. So how do you weigh those 2 against each other? Speaker 100:33:51Well, that's an excellent question. As you have seen, we have done a perfectly balanced approach. We acquire ships, which we believe will contribute very significantly to the cash flow of the company going forward. We also buy back the stock and at the same time we pay a dividend. So we're doing all three that we can in a perfectly balanced way. Speaker 100:34:15It's going to be pretty much the same. I mean, assuming that the rates and the cash flow allows, we will continue to reward the shareholders and of course, doing buybacks as well in the event that allows. But let us all be reminded that buybacks are kind of restricted by the trading rules. I mean, there's only so many buyback of shares, so much buybacks of shares that we can do. In many cases, we have kind of maximized that and the stock price has been increasing. Speaker 100:34:44So we're doing the best to comply with all 3 major balanced allocation of capital. Speaker 500:34:54Okay, great. Thanks. Have a nice weekend. Speaker 100:34:58Thank you and you too. Speaker 600:35:03Thank you. We have no further questions at Operator00:35:05this time. So this ends the question and answer session and concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect your lines. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Synergy Maritime Holdings Corp. Conference Call on the 4th Quarter and Year Ended December 31, 2023 Financial Results. We have with us today Mr. Stamatis Santonis, Chairman and CEO and Mr. Starroch Kifchakis, Chief Financial Officer of Synergy Maritime Holdings Call. Operator00:00:23At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. There will be a presentation followed by question and answer session. Please be advised that this conference is recorded today, Friday, March 15, 2024. The archived webcast of the conference call will soon be made available on the Synergy Web site, www.synergymaritime.com. To access today's presentation and listen to the archived audio file, visit the Synergy website following the Webcasts and Presentations section under the Investor Relations page. Operator00:01:08Please now turn to Slide 2 of the presentation. Many of the remarks today contain forward looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results may differ materially from the results projected from those forward looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that can cause the actual results to differ materially from those in the forward looking statements is contained in the Q4 year ended December 31, 2023 earnings release, which is available on the Synergy website, again, www.synergymaritime.com. I would now like to turn the conference over to one of your speakers today, the Chairman and CEO of the company, Mr. Operator00:01:51Stamatis Santonis. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:01:59Thank you, operator. Hello. I would like to welcome everyone to our conference call. Today, we're presenting the financial results for the Q4 and full year period of 2023, together with an update on our main corporate developments. Let's move into Slide number 3. Speaker 100:02:182023 was one of the most volatile years for the Capesize market. We experienced a wide range of freight rates that bottomed at $2,200 per day in Q1 and peaked at almost $55,000 a day in Q4. Despite this extreme volatility, Synergy was very well placed to take advantage of a strong rebound in the Capesize market that transpired in the Q4 of 2023. As a result, we delivered another profitable year building on our robust commercial performance, our hedging activities and the investments we have made in improving our vessels' efficiency over the years. In doing so, we have successfully navigated the extreme freight rate instability and achieved a healthy mix of fleet growth, accretion and cash dividends. Speaker 100:03:09We ended the Q4 of 2023 with a net income of approximately $10,800,000 which compares very favorably with a net income of 0.5 $1,000,000 reported in the Q4 of 2022. Following a strong 2023 Q4, the Capesize market is currently undergoing the best Q1 since 2011. This is a result of higher raw material trade flows, limited fleet growth over the past year as well as disruptions in key areas. Consistent with our commitment to reward our shareholders, our Board of Directors declared a total cash dividend of $0.10 per share consisting of a special dividend of $0.075 on top of the $0.025 regular dividend for the quarter. This results in a dividend payout ratio exceeding 100% for the full year period of 2023, while we're currently evaluating our options to further increase capital returns to our shareholders provided that the underlying conditions allow. Speaker 100:04:18In addition to our cash dividend distributions, since 2023, we have completed $2,500,000 dollars in share buybacks or about 2% of our shares outstanding at an average price of $5.12 which is about 44% lower than the current market price. Additionally, in December, we repaid the 3,200,000 dollars outstanding balance under our convertible note addressing a long standing legacy overhang over our share price, while simplifying our capital structure. Apart from this, during 2023, we refinanced approximately $53,800,000 of indebtedness and following these transactions, there are no other debt maturities until the Q2 of 2025. We are pleased to see Synergy making parallel progress in our strategic objectives of rewarding shareholders, taking advantage of growth opportunities and maintaining a strong balance sheet. I would like to add that we view our balanced capital allocation as the best way to serve the long term interest of our shareholders. Speaker 100:05:25Moving on to Slide number 4. Here we illustrate our priority in capital returns to our shareholders. Since March 2022, we have declared a total of approximately $26,400,000 or $1.45 per share through a mix of regular and special cash dividend distributions. That represents about 16% of our current share price. In terms of buybacks, the total securities repurchased including common stock, convertible notes and warrants amount to approximately $41,000,000 Moving on to Slide number 5. Speaker 100:06:03Here we review the commercial performance of our fleet. First, I would like to point out that we generally over performed the BCI index. In a highly volatile Capesize market, our 2023 TCE performance of $17,500 exceeded about the Capesize index average of $16,400 approximately. This makes 2 consecutive years of us over performing the BCI index. In addition, we have focused on acquiring high quality vessels to our fleet comprised of Japanese vessels from the most reputable yards with significantly improved fuel efficiency characteristics. Speaker 100:06:45The qualitative improvement of our fleet that leads to increased MX capacity is a continuous priority for us. Looking ahead to 2024 against the promising backdrop of the Q1, we believe that our performance would remain solid. Assuming current FSAs, we expect our Q1 2024 daily time charter equivalent to be equal to approximately $23,200 We have also taken advantage of the recent upswing in freight futures and hedged approximately 58% of our 2nd quarter ownership days at a fixed gross rate of approximately $28,300 Concerning our fleet growth initiatives, during the Q4, we took delivery of our 1st Newcastle MAX vessel, which we had agreed to charter in on a bareboat basis. The underlying acquisition price is well in the money and since its delivery, the vessel commenced employment under an index linked time charter at a significant premium to the BCI. Furthermore, in the Q1, we agreed to acquire a Capesize build in 2013 in Japan and we expect to take delivery by the end of the second quarter. Speaker 100:07:57Both transactions have been very well timed. This concludes my recap of our developments in the Q4 and to date. And I'm now passing the floor to Stavros before returning to discuss the outlook of the Capesize market. Stavros, please go ahead. Thank you, Stamatou. Speaker 100:08:15Welcome everyone to our earnings call. Let us start with Slide 6 by reviewing the main highlights of our financial statements for the Q4 and the 12 months period that ended on December 31, 2023. We actually had a great Q4 on the back of a very robust Capesize freight market and our effective operating platform. Our net revenues was equal to $39,400,000 38% higher than the respective period last year based on a time charter equivalent of $24,900 Our adjusted EBITDA and our net income were also significantly improved year on year amounting to $23,900,000 $10,800,000 respectively. On an annual basis, our net revenues was equal to $110,200,000 slightly lower than last year due to the slower than expected Capesize market recovery in the 1st 9 months of 2023. Speaker 100:09:15However, we recorded an average time charter equivalent of 17,500 outpacing once again the DCI by approximately 7%. Our adjusted EBITDA was equal to $53,000,000 and our net income reached $2,300,000 reflecting the challenges faced earlier in the year. Moving on to our balance sheet, Our cash position remains strong in 2023 at $24,900,000 or approximately $1,500,000 per vessel. This is despite consistent dividend payments, security buybacks and hefty debt amortization schedule. In Slide 7, it is evident that despite the weaker than expected Capesize market during the 1st 9 months of the year, we achieved another profitable year with an adjusted EBITDA of $53,000,000 This can be attributed to our effective commercial strategy throughout the year, which helped us hedge against some of the downward market pressures. Speaker 100:10:12Additionally, our solid operating leverage allowed us to capitalize on the strength of the market in the Q4. On the expense side, we retain our daily OpEx per vessel at practically the same levels with the previous year despite the inflationary pressures. This reflects our strategic decision to increase the number of vessels managed on our in house management platform. With all these actions, our adjusted EBITDA margin for the year remained strong at 48%, closely aligning with the previous year's performance. Moving on to Slide 8, we discussed our debt optimization and overall deleveraging efforts throughout 2023. Speaker 100:10:55Starting with our debt structure, our debt outstanding at the end of 2023 was equal to 235,000,000 dollars This includes loans, finance leases and remaining payments under our bareboat in vessels including respective purchase options and corresponds to approximately $13,900,000 per vessel, almost half of the average market value of our vessels as per the end of last year. Our debt repayments reduced our corporate leverage to 47% during 2023 with more than 90% of our debt covered by the scrap value of the fleet based on current scrap prices. Here, it is worth mentioning that Synergy achieved another significant milestone this year by fully repaying the last outstanding convertible note totaling $11,200,000 During the year, we successfully concluded $53,800,000 of refinancings, reducing the underlying pricing in overall terms, while also adding $15,000,000 in liquidity at that time. Equally importantly, we have now addressed all loan maturities until the Q2 of 2025. Meanwhile, we are in advanced discussions with a potential lender for the financing of our latest Skepsis acquisition, as Thomas mentioned earlier. Speaker 100:12:13This strategic move is anticipated to further enhance our interest margin profile and improve the overall structure of our debt. On the interest expense front, we did see an increase compared to the previous year, which was driven by the increased reference rate despite the sharp decrease achieved in the interest margin of our facilities. We expect this cost to decrease in the coming quarters following the anticipated interest rate cuts from the central banks. Moving on to Slide 9, we highlight our great potential for profitability in 2024. We anticipate a significant increase in EBITDA compared to 2023 even if DCI rates average to the figures seen in 2023. Speaker 100:12:55If the current FFA curve materializes, our EBITDA profitability could be remarkable, reaching close to $115,000,000 It's worth mentioning that in 2023, our overall premium over the BCI for our fleet improved, reflecting our investments in the energy efficiency of our vessels and our effective commercial strategy. In addition, we have fixed on 60% of fleet days for the 2nd quarter at an average rate of approximately 28,300. In summary, we remain optimistic about our profitability in 2024 and our overall liquidity are feeding our ability to continue rewarding our shareholders while enhancing the composition of our fleet. This concludes my review. I will now turn the call back to Samaty, who will discuss the market and industry fundamentals. Speaker 100:13:45Samaty? Thanks, Alvaro. Let's move to Slide number 10. Despite the gloomy predictions for 2023, ton mile demand for the year was actually 6% higher as compared to 2022. That resulted in a much greater number of cargoes of iron ore, coal and bauxite that exceeded an incremental of 170,000,000 tons. Speaker 100:14:08As we repeated in our previous discussions, the freight rate volatility of the year was driven mainly by the effective supply of vessels during the year. Since the start of Q4 of 2023, the Capesize market has strengthened considerably, which was carried forward into the Q1 of 2024. This has led to the strongest BCI average rate in more than a decade. This positive effect has also been apparent in asset prices with KXI's values arising since the end of Q3 between 20% and even 40% depending on the vintage and individual vessel specifications. Moving on to Slide 11. Speaker 100:14:48In the current year, our outlook remains very positive. The recovery in global manufacturing as well as extensive infrastructure investments may drive further growth in seaborne trade of raw materials. With the expectation of a gradually lower interest rate environment, manufacturing and infrastructure investments will continue to flourish. Overall, 20 24 ton mile demand growth for Capesize cargoes is expected to be about 3.5% to 4% increase. And given the current momentum, positive demand growth is likely to continue into 2025 with projected ton mile growth of around 2.5%. Speaker 100:15:29Moving on to Slide 12. Turning to vessel supply. In deadweight terms, the order book for Capesize vessels currently stands at about the same levels of 2,004, 20 years back, while replacement needs have grown considerably since then due to stringent environmental regulations. Overall, net Capesize fleet growth is expected at around 2.5% in 2024 and 1.5% in 2025, both lower than the respected ton mile demand growth in nominal figures. Beyond the low order book, fleet efficiency has returned historical average levels, which suggests that effective fleet supply is unlikely to grow further except for short term events. Speaker 100:16:16Capesize vessel speed has already fallen in the past decade from about 12, 12.5 to approximately 10.5, 11 knots. Strong drybulk markets in the past years have not resulted in speed increases and we believe that this trend is sustainable due to the implementation of CEII, EXI and other regulations that will affect the efficiency of the vessels. To close today's call, we want to emphasize that we are executing a clear strategy that includes rewarding shareholders through capital returns, investing in our fleet to drive growth and efficiencies and maintaining a strong balance sheet. The actions we have taken to grow our fleet substantially over the past 3 years with quality assets and strengthen our financial position have placed Synergy in a prime position to benefit from a healthy freight market as the Capesize segment enjoys the best demand supply fundamentals in the drybulk space. As a result, we expect to generate significant cash flows that will facilitate further shareholder value creation moving forward. Speaker 100:17:26This concludes our remarks, and I would like to turn the call back to the operator and answer any questions you may have. Operator, please take the call. Thank you. Operator00:17:39Thank you. And the questions come from the line of Tate Sullivan from Maxim Group. Please ask your question. Your line is open. Speaker 200:18:10Great. Thank you for taking my question. And just a first sight, a grapeseed is special dividend, did not anticipate that. And just for modeling purposes, when is that payable, the special dividend and the quarterly dividend you just announced, please? Is it this quarter or this quarter? Speaker 100:18:29Hello, Tate. Good morning. Speaker 200:18:31How are you? Good morning. Great. Thank you. Speaker 100:18:34Thank you very much. Well, as we have stated, it's going to be payable approximately on the 10th April. Speaker 200:18:41Okay. Thank you. Okay. And then also the Capesize acquisition, the 2013 built shipped for $34,000,000 seems, I mean, roughly in line with historical acquisitions in the last couple of years. Have you seen a good deal flow recently before the recent rally? Speaker 200:18:59Can you talk about the S and P market a bit? Speaker 100:19:02The answer is yes. We have seen a big inflow of a big activity of transactions the last few weeks. People are buying a lot of capes, and we have seen older ships and the inferior to the ones that we have been purchasing being sold at very firm values. So we strongly believe if we compare this particular acquisition with the recent precedents that we have experienced in the market that it stands in a very, very advantageous position. So the answer is yes, of course. Speaker 200:19:38And Scott, can you talk about how much leverage you might add for that Ship acquisition and the loan to value ratio for the whole fleet currently or after the recent escalation in values that you've seen? Speaker 100:19:52Well, we're very conservative in all our transactions. So overall leverage of the company, as you know, stands at around 50%. So it's something very logical here. And it's an amortizing leverage that we have. And in this particular transaction, we're going to play at around, I don't know, 50%, 60% combined maybe with other assets or leasing transactions. Speaker 100:20:15We are in the process of finalizing terms. I cannot disclose anything further at this point. Speaker 200:20:22Okay. Thank you. And then you announced the Safe Craft announcement about installing a hydrogen tank and associate fuel cell equipment to generate electricity. Should we will this take place over the next year or so on 1 year vessels? Has it already taken place? Speaker 200:20:37Can you talk more about that? Speaker 100:20:39Yes. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak a little bit more about that. First of all, we are the only the first and only Greek shipping company to participate in this innovative project that is being mostly funded by the European Union. So you can understand the importance that this project has for us. We are in the process of selecting the assets and finalizing the selection of the assets that will be eligible for this particular, how do you say it, conversion, installing of these devices that we need to install. Speaker 100:21:14So it's not just the hydrogen tanks, it's a more complicated element that we need to install on the ship and it takes much longer. And we will hopefully finalize the selection of these vessels in the next month or so. And the process of installing them will take place during the drydock of 2025. We will require a very extensive excuse me, we'll require a very extensive study of the ship going forward and the impact. So once we finalize that and do the three d Okay, all right. Speaker 100:21:57Well, thank you very much. Speaker 200:22:00Okay, right. Thank you very much. Speaker 100:22:03Thank you, Tate. Operator00:22:06Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the questions come from the line of Michael Haim from Noble Capital Markets. Please ask Speaker 300:22:21Regarding the acquisition of the ICON ship, will that $34,000,000 expenditures fall into the Q2 when the ship is received? Speaker 100:22:32Well, yes. I mean, we have already paid a deposit on the ship. So the actual full expenditure and delivery of the vessel will most likely happen within May, we expect. But just to be a little bit more conservative, let's assume within by the end of the Q2, yes. Speaker 300:22:51Okay. And then would you review your plans for dry docking ships in 2024? Speaker 100:22:59Well, we are pretty much, how do you say, flexible on that front. It all depends on the schedule. We have a very light schedule for 2024 altogether. So it's not going to be a heavy year on dry docks altogether. So it's something very manageable in our opinion, 2024 dry dock schedule. Speaker 300:23:22Okay. And then finally, I noticed a big rise in the interest and other income line in the 4th quarter, even though the cash position was relatively the same. Could you explain what other items might fall into that line item? Speaker 400:23:41There's no other major items to expect now, Mike. On the expense on the cash expense side, I mean, we expect interest expense to remain at pretty much similar levels, so around $2,500 per vessel per day, dollars 2,500,000 to $2,750,000 per vessel per day, and that's about it. I mean, also on the G and A front, you should expect 2023 to provide a good proxy for 2024. We don't expect major movements out of these figures. Now, of course, as everybody expects, base interest rates should start coming off and this will have a direct reflection in our bottom line. Speaker 400:24:28We have done what we should have done from our side in reducing our interest margins to a great extent over the last couple of years. So as soon as you see base rates decreasing that will reflect very nicely in our bottom line. Speaker 500:24:43Okay. Thank you. Speaker 100:24:45Thanks, Mike. Operator00:24:49Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the questions come from the line of Liam Burke from B. Riley Financial. Please ask your question. Speaker 600:25:01Thank you. Good afternoon, Stamatis. Good afternoon, Stavros. Speaker 100:25:05Hello, Liam. Hi, good morning. Samadis, the outlook for the Capes looks Speaker 600:25:12very, very strong for 2023. It's anticipated that China steel production would be relatively flat from last year. So looking at the iron ore trade, where do you see some of the offsets to flat China steel production this year? Speaker 100:25:32Well, first of all, we are very happy with the figures that we experienced in 2023. If you recall, same time last year, everybody was talking about the bankruptcies of Evergrande the other big developer in China. So everybody was very gloomy about the Chinese demand for iron ore as well as the steel production. And of course, it was for the local demand and the housing crisis in China, it was it appeared to be quite severe. However, we've had a 6% increase in ton miles, so a huge import increase in China of raw materials associated with that trade like iron ore, coal and bauxite. Speaker 100:26:12And of course, a very big increase in the exports of steel products. So even if there were gloomy predictions in the beginning, the actual trade inbound and of course outbound from China has been very, very strong. So the big variations of freight rates in 2023 is not attributable to demand. The demand was particularly strong and one of the strongest demands we've seen in the last 5 years. It was attributable to the effective supply of ships. Speaker 100:26:41While we did not have a big increase of the fleet on a nominal basis by deliveries of new buildings in 2023, We had big variations in respect of congestion and various other trade problems in various areas. The reason why we saw the sharp decrease in the Q2 of the year and of course in Q1 was the fact that the grain corridor in the Black Sea was unwound and a lot of Panamax and Kamsarmax and Supramax vessels were automatically released, about 200 ships were released looking for employment. From September onwards, we saw congestion creeping up to the historical averages. Then we had the Panama Canal situation where kind of locked a number of smaller ships at that area. And then the Red Sea, the Red Sea situation is something that is still we still wait to see the effect of that problems and the fact that the vessels are deviating around the Cape of Good Hope. Speaker 100:27:44So overall, I strongly believe that demand will continue to be very healthy in 2024, even if it remains at the same numbers like 23, it's a very strong and very healthy demand. And the actual variation of the freight rates will be a derivative of the effective supply of vessels. So the less ships available and the bigger the deviations to avoid conflict areas, the higher the rates. And I strongly believe that the effect of the Red Sea is the full effect of the Red Sea deviation is yet to be seen. We will see that towards mid to end of Q2 in our opinion. Speaker 100:28:23I hope that covers your question. Speaker 600:28:25Yes, it sure does. Thank you. The other question I had is on the special dividend. Is that going to be incorporated in your normal capital allocation program? Speaker 100:28:36Well, for us, it's very important to reward our shareholders and we have demonstrated historically that we have paid hefty dividends to our shareholders to the extent that cash flow and cash balances allow. When we had experienced a very volatile year like 2023, where rates ranged from $2,500 a day to $55,000 a day, you can imagine that we must be cautious with the distribution of our cash. However, as we have stated in our release, we have already fixed a number of our vessels for Q1 and of course for Q2. So we have crystallized a big amount of our cash flow. And if the situation allows, we might incorporate the special dividend into the regular dividend or further increase the special dividend. Speaker 100:29:25We have not decided yet. We will wait and see. But the overall strategy is to reward the shareholders as much as we can. Speaker 600:29:34Great. Thank you very much. Speaker 100:29:36Thank you. Nice to hear from you. Operator00:29:51Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the questions come from the line of from Arctic Securities. Please ask your question. Your line is open. Speaker 500:30:06Hello, guys. Thank you for taking my question. How are you? Speaker 100:30:11Hello and very good afternoon. Nice to hear from you and sorry to hold the conference call on the Friday, so late for European time. Speaker 500:30:20No, no. That's perfectly fine. And obviously, congrats on a very good quarter, strong finish to the year. And I must say that the Capesize transaction seems to be extremely well done. I mean, we have a generic Capesize built in 2013 valued at SEK 40,000,000 now. Speaker 500:30:43So already deep in the net money. So congrats on that. I was just wondering if you could comment on what has driven recent strength in the market during Q1? And sort of if the strength in Q1 is driven by a very strong volume growth, what should we expect from the remainder of the area if sort of the upside of volumes is already taken out? So what's your view on that? Speaker 100:31:14Well, thank you. As I mentioned to Liam before, I believe that the current strengthening of the Capesize rates is a combination, first of all, of the restocking of China. I remind you that in December, the Chinese iron ore stockpiles were down at 105,000,000 tons. Now it's the beginning of the construction season in China, so they need to restock iron ore. They produced a very strong amount of steel last year, and we expect them to be consistent this year as well for a number of reasons. Speaker 100:31:45I believe that the and we have discussed this extensively internally that the variation of the rates for 2024 will be a product of how the effective vessel supply is going to be moving around the world. We still see the Red Sea disruptions affecting. In our case, they have affected about 20% of our fleet, which is very strong. Assuming that the rest of the market, the Capesize market is half of how much we have affected or even a quarter of that, you still have anywhere between 5% 10% of the global fleet being affected by the Red Sea. And that when you're moving products in such long distances, prolonging the voyage by anywhere 15 to 25 days, that's a material increase of the ton mile. Speaker 100:32:36So assuming all that remains the same and we don't see any normalization anytime soon, I believe that the supply deficit will continue to be dominant in the market and we will see a very strong level of rates. Now if in the summer, the war ends and the foot is allowed, passages to continue and there is no congestions nowhere, then we might see some softening in the market. But overall, I think the predictions right now are that the vessel supply will continue to be constrained a lot. Speaker 500:33:14I agree and thanks a lot for answering my question. With regards to capital allocation, I mean, obviously, the distribution, the special dividend, this was a very positive surprise. Going forward into 2024, how do you sort of consider additional buybacks compared to potential special dividends. So how do you weigh those 2 against each other? Speaker 100:33:51Well, that's an excellent question. As you have seen, we have done a perfectly balanced approach. We acquire ships, which we believe will contribute very significantly to the cash flow of the company going forward. We also buy back the stock and at the same time we pay a dividend. So we're doing all three that we can in a perfectly balanced way. Speaker 100:34:15It's going to be pretty much the same. I mean, assuming that the rates and the cash flow allows, we will continue to reward the shareholders and of course, doing buybacks as well in the event that allows. But let us all be reminded that buybacks are kind of restricted by the trading rules. I mean, there's only so many buyback of shares, so much buybacks of shares that we can do. In many cases, we have kind of maximized that and the stock price has been increasing. Speaker 100:34:44So we're doing the best to comply with all 3 major balanced allocation of capital. Speaker 500:34:54Okay, great. Thanks. Have a nice weekend. Speaker 100:34:58Thank you and you too. Speaker 600:35:03Thank you. We have no further questions at Operator00:35:05this time. So this ends the question and answer session and concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by