Buckle Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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March 15, 2024

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning. Thank you for standing by, and welcome to Buckle's 4th Quarter and Fiscal 2023 Earnings Release Webcast. As a reminder, all participants are currently in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will be conducted following the company's prepared remarks with instructions given at that time. Members of Buckle's management on the call today are Dennis Nelson, President and CEO Tom Heacock, Senior Vice President of Finance, Treasurer and CFO Adam Akerson, Vice President of Finance and Corporate Controller and Brady Fritz, Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Corporate Secretary.

Operator

As they review operating results, they would like to reiterate their policy of not giving future sales or earnings guidance and have the following safe harbor statement: Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. All forward looking statements made by the company involve material risks and uncertainties and are subject to change based on factors which may be beyond the company's control. Accordingly, the company's future performance and financial results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in any such forward looking statements. Such factors include, but are not limited to, those described in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company does not undertake to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements, even if experience or future changes make it clear that any projected results expressed or implied therein will not be realized.

Operator

Additionally, the company does not authorize the reproduction or dissemination of transcripts or audio recordings of the company's quarterly conference calls without its expressed written consent. Any unauthorized reproductions or recordings of the calls should not be relied upon as the information may be inaccurate. As a reminder, today's webcast is being recorded. And now I'd like to turn the conference over to your host, Tom Beacock.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and thanks for joining us this morning. Our March 15, 2024 press release reported that net income for the 14 week Q4 ended February 3, 2024 was $79,600,000 or $1.59 per share on a diluted basis compared to net income of $87,800,000 or $1.76 per share on a diluted basis for the prior year 13 week Q4 ended January 28, 2023. Net income for the 53 week fiscal year ended February 3, 2024 was $219,900,000 or $4.40 per share on a diluted basis compared to net income of 254.6 $1,000,000 or $5.13 per share on a diluted basis for the prior year 52 week fiscal year ended January 28, 2023. Net sales for the 14 week 4th quarter decreased 4.8 percent to $382,400,000 compared to net sales of $401,800,000 for the prior year 13 week 4th quarter. Comparable store sales for the 14 week fiscal quarter decreased 9.6% in comparison to the same 14 week period in the prior year and online sales decreased 12.4% to $65,500,000 for the 14 week fiscal period, which compares to $74,800,000 for the prior year 13 week fiscal period.

Speaker 1

Compared to the same 14 week period a year ago, online sales were down 16.6%. Net sales for the 53 week fiscal year decreased 6.3 percent to 1,261,000,000 dollars compared to net sales of $1,345,000,000 for the prior year 52 week fiscal year. Comparable store sales for the 53 week fiscal year ended February 3, 2024 decreased 8% from the prior year 53 week period ended February 4, 2023. Our online sales were down 10.3 percent to $206,500,000 for the 53 week fiscal year compared to $230,400,000 dollars for the prior year 52 week fiscal year and compared to the same 53 week period a year ago online sales were down 11.8%. For the quarter, UPTs increased approximately 0.5%, the average unit retail increased approximately 1.5% and the average transaction value increased about 2%.

Speaker 1

For the full year, UPTs were flat, the average unit retail increased approximately 1% and the average transaction value increased approximately 1%. Gross margin for the quarter was 52.3%, down 70 basis points from 53% in the Q4 of 2022. The current quarter decline is the result of deleveraged buying, distribution and occupancy expenses, partially offset by a 20 basis point improvement in merchandise margins. For the full year, gross margin was 49.1%, which was down 120 basis points from 50.3% in the prior year, with the current quarter decline being due to deleveraged buying, distribution and occupancy expense, along with a 20 basis point reduction in merchandise margins. Selling, general and administrative expenses for the quarter were 27.1 percent of net sales compared to 25.6 percent for the Q4 of 2022.

Speaker 1

The 4th quarter increase was due to 150 basis point increase in store labor related expenses, a 35 basis point increase in marketing spend, a 30 basis point increase in G and A salaries, a 10 basis point increase in equity compensation expense and a 25 basis point increase in other SG and A expense categories. And these increases were partially offset by a 60 basis point reduction in incentive compensation accruals and a 40 basis point decrease in e commerce shipping expenses. For the full year, SG and A was 27.6 percent of sales compared to 25.9% for the same period last year. The full year increase was due to 135 basis point increase in store labor related expenses, a 30 basis point increase in G and A salaries, a 25 basis point increase in marketing spend, a 20 basis point increase in equity compensation expense and a 20 basis point increase in other SG and A expense categories. And these increases were again partially offset by a 60 basis point reduction in incentive compensation accruals.

Speaker 1

Our operating margin for the quarter was 25.2% compared to 27.4% for the Q4 of fiscal 2022. And for the full year, our operating margin was 21.5% compared to 24.4% for the same period last year. Income tax expense as a percentage of pre tax net income for both the current and prior year fiscal quarter was 23%, bringing 4th quarter net income to $79,600,000 for fiscal 2023 compared to $87,800,000 for fiscal 2022. Income tax expense as a percentage of pre tax net income for both the current and prior year full year periods was 24%, bringing net income to $219,900,000 for fiscal 2023 compared to $254,600,000 for fiscal 2022. Our press release also included a balance sheet as of February 3, 2024, which included the following: inventory of 126,300,000 which was up about 1% from the same time a year ago and total cash and investments of $315,400,000 which was after payment of $196,700,000 in dividends during the year.

Speaker 1

We ended the quarter with $128,800,000 in fixed assets net of accumulated depreciation. Our capital expenditures for the quarter were $9,300,000 and depreciation expense was 5,900,000 For the full year, capital expenditures were $37,300,000 and depreciation expense was $20,800,000 dollars Fiscal 2023 capital spending was broken down as follows: $35,900,000 for new store construction, store remodels and technology upgrades and $1,400,000 for capital spending at the corporate headquarters and distribution center. During the quarter, we reopened 4 new stores and completed 4 full store remodels, 2 of which were relocations in the new outdoor shopping centers. We also closed 3 stores, bringing our full year counts to 9 new stores, 18 full remodels and 6 store closures. Of our 18 full remodels during the year, 11 were relocations to new outdoor shopping centers, reflecting our ongoing strategy of ensuring that we are located in the best shopping environment in each of our markets.

Speaker 1

Cumulatively over the last 3 years, 42 of our 56 full remodels have been relocations to new outdoor centers. Besides making better locations, these remodels also frequently enable us to take on more space with our new stores. For 2 of our recent projects, the extra square footage allowed us to close our standalone used store and move everything back under one roof. Current plans for fiscal 2024 include opening 8 new stores and completing 15 to 19 full remodel projects with at least half of the planned remodels being relocations to new outdoor centers. We also have closed 2 stores year to date with 2 additional planned store closures in early April.

Speaker 1

Buckle ended the year with 4 44 retail stores in 42 states compared with 4 41 stores in 42 states at the end of fiscal 2022. And now I'll turn it over to Adam Agerson, Vice President of Finance. Thanks, Tom.

Speaker 2

Women's merchandise sales for the quarter were down about 8% against the prior year fiscal quarter and represented approximately 41% of sales compared to 42.5% in the prior year. On a 14 week comparable basis, women's merchandise sales were down approximately 12.5%. Average denim price points increased from $79.75 in the Q4 of fiscal 2022 to $81.25 in the Q4 of fiscal 2023, while the overall average women's price point increased about 1.5% from $50.30 to $51 On the men's side, merchandise sales for the quarter were down about 2% against the prior year fiscal quarter, representing approximately 59% of total sales compared to 57.5% in the prior year. On a 14 week comparable basis, men's merchandise sales were down approximately 5.5 percent. Average denim price points increased from $86.25 in the Q4 of fiscal 2022 to $87.15 in the Q4 of fiscal 2023.

Speaker 2

For the quarter, overall average men's price points increased approximately 3% from $54.50 to $56.05 On a combined basis, accessory sales for the 14 week quarter were down approximately 7.5% against the prior year 14 week comparable period, while footwear sales were down about 41%. These two categories accounted for approximately 11% and 6% respectively of 4th quarter net sales, which compares to 10.5% and 9% for each in the Q4 of fiscal 2022. For the quarter, average accessory price points were up approximately 1.5% and average footwear price points were up 10.5%. Denim accounted for approximately 44% of sales and tops accounted for approximately 29.5%, which compares to 41.5% 30% for each in the Q4 of fiscal 2022. Our women's denim business for the quarter was down about 6.5% compared to the same 14 week period a year ago.

Speaker 2

While the overall women's denim business was down, we were excited about the continued growth in the performance of our premium fits and fabrics in our Buckle Black Label, which grew about 18.5% during the quarter. Our core BKE line also performed better than the average. For tops, our fashion tops continued to be challenging with many of our women's guests focusing on essential styles and easy to wear pieces. Also compared to the same 14 week period ago, our men's business our men's denim business was down about 1%, which was primarily the result of reducing our inventory of street fashion brands. In our core denim brands, we saw positive trends for the quarter with the business in BKE and Buckle Black both improving year over year.

Speaker 2

The Meds business had a nice performance in short sleeve tees, soft shells and vests and several of our accessory categories. We also saw strong sell throughs in our private branded wovens, knits and sweaters for the quarter. Our Q4 comparisons also continue to be challenged with declines in our Hey Dude volume, particularly on the men's side. 4th quarter net sales for our men's business without Hey Dude compared to the same 14 week period a year ago were down about 1.5%. During the quarter we continued to see nice growth in our youth business with combined youth business growing approximately 4% over the prior year 14 week period.

Speaker 2

Our overall private brand penetration continued to grow as our buying teams continue to develop and deliver a strong assortment across all categories. Private label represented approximately 50% of Q4 sales compared to 48% a year ago and 46% for fiscal 2023 compared with 44.5% in fiscal 2022. And with that, we welcome your questions. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our first question is from Mauricio Serna. Mauricio, I'm going to Our first question is from Mauricio Serna. Mauricio, I'm going to go ahead and allow you to talk. Feel free to unmute yourself.

Speaker 3

Great. Good morning. Thanks for taking, my questions. I just wanted to know, like, maybe you could talk about, a little bit about what happened in February, you know, with the 11.5% comp sales decline, what was, what, what, what were the main drivers behind that? And how are you thinking about it for the, for the rest of the quarter?

Speaker 3

And then maybe on the merchandise margin, nice to see the mild expansion in Q Q4. Maybe if you could talk what was the driver recommended and how are you thinking about it for 24? And then just lastly, just wanted to check the numbers that you said talked about the store openings. I think you called out 18 new stores and closing 4 stores. So net openings 14.

Speaker 3

You know, it just appears like to be like a very nice acceleration compared to previous years. So I just was wondering like, you know, what is driving that? Thank you so much.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you, Mauricio, for the questions. If I could take a quick moment before answering to just thank our Buckle teammates for a very successful 2023. I appreciate our team's great work in creating an enjoyable shopping experience for our guests. And I'm very much looking forward to working with our Buckle talent in 2024.

Speaker 4

Now, in regards to the questions, February business, I think we saw less excitement on the new spring product. Shorts selling, which was very strong a year ago, was down. We brought probably some of our gals top selection for spring. We brought that in a little bit later. So, we had an effect there.

Speaker 4

Still saw pretty good denim selling and a good reaction. But, just I think the traffic patterns were down some as well. On the increase of new stores locations, a few years ago, we did not do outlet situations. And a year or 2 ago, we did a store in an outlet with Tanger that is our regular store even though it's in an outlet. And that worked pretty well.

Speaker 4

And so, we have a good relationship with Tanger and Simon on reviewing the what was used to be strictly outlet to do our stores as a typical store. And that's worked well. So, it's given us more options, as well as we've seen some changes in some smaller markets in the past couple of years that has given us opportunities as we looked outside to locations and power centers and such, which we did not before. So like a Popular Bluff last year that we opened in Missouri was an example of that and that has worked well. So that's given us new opportunities there.

Speaker 4

And did I miss a question?

Speaker 1

Marisa, this is Tom. I'll just clarify. I think you were asking about the 2024 new store plans and remodel plans. What we said was 8 new stores for 2024 is what we have planned, 15 to 19 full remodels, with half of the remodels being relocations to new outdoor centers. And then for now, we've already closed 2 stores so far this year, And one of those is a used store moving back into the full line store.

Speaker 1

So it's all under one roof. And then we have 2 more planned early in April. And then I think the last question was on merchandise margin drivers for the 4th quarter. And merchandise margins for all of 2023 hung in really strong and improved as we went through the year. The team did a great job of managing inventory, I mean managing markdowns.

Speaker 1

And so part of that is mix shift. Some of that, I mean private label at 50%. I think that's an all time high of private label. That's been accretive to margins. A little bit of benefit from freight costs coming down and then partially offset by a slight increase in shrink during the year.

Speaker 1

So those are the main drivers for Q4 margins, which are pretty consistent with Q3.

Operator

There are no further questions in queue. It looks like we have another question from Mauricio. You can go ahead and unmute him at this time.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Just a couple of follow ups. You know, maybe if you could elaborate a little bit more on what you're seeing in in footwear. It seems, you know, the category seems to, you know, continues to be challenged despite, you know, lapping, maybe like, you know, already that some impacts last year from, you know, hey dude being soft. Maybe if you could elaborate on that.

Speaker 3

And then you talked about how you have been doing a lot of remodelings and repositions of the stores. A lot of these 2 off mall locations. Maybe could you remind us at this point, like roughly what is your off mall versus mall exposure? Thank you.

Speaker 4

Yes, the mall exposure?

Speaker 2

I think we're

Speaker 1

I mean, again, we've had a large number of remodels and broke that out how many we've moved off malls. We're still primarily mall based and then a lot of lifestyle centers. I think still 70% mall based. And so, Brad and Dennis do a great job of reviewing that situation by situation to, again, make sure we're in the best shopping center. So, there's probably still more opportunities to continue that trend.

Speaker 4

Yes. And on the Hey Dudes, last year, dollars 40,000,000 of our business was that's close was down in Hey Dude Footwear. It was close to half of our total loss for the year. And I think the team did a good job of managing inventories to the right level. We still have some good sell throughs there, but at much different inventory levels.

Speaker 4

As far as new footwear going forward, we're starting to see a little bit of excitement in the GAL's product and stuff, but nothing that's going to replace the Hey Dude volume at the present time.

Operator

Our next question is from Nancy Frona. Nancy, I'm going to go ahead and allow you to unmute yourself.

Speaker 5

Good morning. This is Nancy Frona with 1492 Capital Management. Just a quick question. Have you seen any meaningful change in the way your customers are paying for their purchases? Whether it's sort of the buy now pay later mode or any meaningful differences over time?

Speaker 1

Good morning, Nancy. Thanks for the question. I don't think we've seen real meaningful shifts. I think it's been pretty consistent. We do offer buy now, pay later services, which we have for several years.

Speaker 1

And it's really small in store and obviously much bigger online. But I don't think we've seen meaningful shifts in payment methods this year.

Operator

Our next question is from Allen Glenn. Allen, I'm going to go ahead and prompt you to unmute yourself.

Speaker 6

Good. Thank you and congratulations on another excellent quarter. My question relates to the store refreshes that are ongoing. And can you share with us the kind of success that the refresh store generates in terms of maybe average sales increase?

Speaker 4

Well, thank you, Alan, for the question. The it's a little difficult to say because we've come off such record years, but we're finding that the outdoor centers we're going to is about 30% larger, and we're finding the guest is staying longer in the store, enjoying the ability to see more presentations and such there. So and in cases where stores maybe have been in a older mall that has not kept up, when we move it, we're seeing some very nice gains on those locations. Other locations might be a very solid store, but we're improving the location in the future setup. And so you don't see as big a gain.

Speaker 4

But as I mentioned, you know, we're coming off a couple of record years, and doing these changes. We feel very good that this is the path to take. But I can't give you a clear growth number to put down.

Operator

There are no further questions in queue. It looks like there's no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Buckle for any closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you everybody for your participation and joining us today. We hope you have a wonderful day and enjoy your weekend. Thank you.

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