Coda Octopus Group Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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March 18, 2024

There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning. Welcome to CODA Octopus Group's First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Sherry, and I will be your operator today. Before this call, CODA Octopus issued its financial results for the Q1 2024 ended January 31, 2024, including a press release, a copy of which will be furnished in a report filed with the SEC and will be available in the Investor Relations section of the company's website. Joining us on today's call from Coated Octopus are its Chair and CEO, Anne Marie Gail its Interim CFO, Gail Jardine.

Operator

Following their remarks, we will open the call for questions. Before we begin, Jackie Kirschner from The Gateway Group will make a brief introductory statement. Jackie, please proceed.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to CODA Octopus' Q1 fiscal 2024 earnings conference call. Before management begins their formal remarks, we would like to remind everyone that some statements we're making today may be considered forward looking statements under securities laws and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. As a result, we caution you that there are a number of factors, many of which are beyond our control, which could cause actual results and events to differ materially from those described in the forward looking statement. For more detailed risks, uncertainties and assumptions relating to our forward looking statements, please see the disclosures in our earnings release and public filings made with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Speaker 1

Claim any obligation or undertaking to update forward looking statements to reflect circumstances or events that occur after the date the forward looking statements are made, except as required by law. We refer you to our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for detailed disclosures and descriptions of our business, as well as uncertainties and other variable circumstances, including, but not limited to, risks and uncertainties identified in our Form 10 ks for the year ended October 31, 2023 and Form 10 Q for the Q1 of this fiscal year. You may get Coda Octopus' Securities and Exchange Commission filings free by visiting the SEC website at www.sec.gov. I would also like to remind everyone that this call is being recorded and will be made available free play via a link in the Investor Relations section of Kota Octopus' website. Now I will turn the call over to the company's Chair and CEO, Anne Marie Gale.

Speaker 1

Anne Marie?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jackie, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our Q1 2024 earnings call. Our Q1 2024 results were in alignment with our internal business plan, but down on our Q1 2023. Our internal business plan had budgeted for our engineering business revenue for fiscal 20 24 to be backloaded. This is largely because of reduced availability of funding for defense programs due to the use of continuing resolutions resulting from the upcoming U.

Speaker 2

S. Elections. We also planned within our forecast for several booked engineering projects to be converted into revenue later in fiscal 2024 due to the lead times for receiving components. Notwithstanding these challenges, we have made some encouraging operational progress with our Engineering business segment, and I will discuss this later on in the call. Moreover, we are seeing increased order take by our U.

Speaker 2

K. Engineering business, which had been significantly affected by delays in receiving orders in fiscal 2023. While the Marine Technology business revenue was down at $3,500,000 compared to $3,800,000 in the Q1 of 2023, I am pleased with the recovery progress that this part of our business is making. In the Q1, we saw increased utilization of our rental assets, which I am very encouraged by and this trend is continuing. Notable in the Q1 is that outright sales in Asia, a key strategic market for this segment, fell by 26%.

Speaker 2

A contributory factor to this is weak demand from China caused by macroeconomic factors and increased geopolitical tensions. Encouragingly though, margins have continued to improve in the Marine Technology business. Continued progress in the Marine Technology business is critical to our growth plan. As such, I will give a brief overview of what we are currently seeing in the marine industry. The industry's biggest trade show is Oceanology, which occurs every 2 years and took place last week.

Speaker 2

We therefore anticipated in our Q1 that outright sales would be down as typically customers postponed significant investment decisions until after this event. Fiscal 2023 results were impacted by the downturn in offshore renewable projects due to inflation, higher interest rates and supply chain problems. It has recently been reported that Equinor and have both now received provisional contracts in New York's 4th offshore solicitation. We're further encouraged by seeing increased inquiries for our rental solutions for offshore renewables. Although these are early days, this is good news for the marine industry and certainly for us.

Speaker 2

We're also seeing increased opportunities for some significant underwater construction projects in the Middle East where some new islands are scheduled for development in calendar year 2024. Moving to our Q1 2024 overview. During the Q1 of 2024, we continued to make progress against our key growth drivers. As I mentioned, we saw increased traction for our Ectoscope rental solutions. We also made good progress in advancing the David Ontebert system customization and hardening program.

Speaker 2

And based on the ongoing evaluation, we have received overridingly positive feedback on the system and its potential. We are also encouraged by the engagement we're seeing with the customer and the pace of the program. This is good news and we are on track to receive the final tranche of funding of $1,250,000 in our 2nd quarter. Following a fleet wide survey by the Navy of the users who were previously allocated DABE Tebbit Systems, we received broader positive feedback from the various current users. It is also interesting to note that the feedback from users cited the Echoscope as game changing for their operations.

Speaker 2

Furthermore, 3 new Navy user groups have requested from their respective commands, DAVID and ETCOOP, as part of their operations, and existing commands have also put in request for additional systems. This is great news for the success of the DAVID technology and our company. We also had our first sale of the Davitt Teva system outside of the U. S. Navy to a large Asian offshore service provider, which is involved in underwater construction and diving, who is also looking at the broader adoption of this technology for their operations.

Speaker 2

This is a high profile project and the local environmental agency will be involved. This provider intends to create a core of super users and then look at a more systemic adoption of the technology, providing their initial project is successful. We continue to work with several offshore service providers globally on their plans for adopting the DABID. Some of these are waiting for internal management decisions on funding. In February, we had a successful series of demonstrations of our Echoscope, DAVID technology and the digital audio communication system to several bodies in Texas.

Speaker 2

These include the fire service, Department of Transport and other law enforcement agencies where our technology is being assessed for bridge inspection, port and harbor security, search and rescue and diving support. The demonstration was well received by this potential community of users and we are working with them on progressing their interest in our solution. We are continuing to work with Naval Information Warfare Center NIWC as they advance the selection of their sensor package for the video ray defender and we have provided proposals for accessing the technology for extended operational trials. We believe these trials will start in April 2024. In addition, we continue to work with the foreign Navy on integrating our Echoscope technology on the video reDefender, which they have also adopted.

Speaker 2

The safety and electrical assessment of our digital audio communication systems, VoiceHub 4 has now been completed by the Navy and they are expected to start trials in April. Our engineering business is making progress in key areas. We are pursuing 2 significant opportunities for our thermite mission computers for 2 new applications and we're now awaiting the completion of these negotiations. The relevant trials with our Thermite Optil were completed pre COVID, but these programs had stalled due to the pandemic. I am very pleased that these are now advancing and securing these programs will be meaningful to our group.

Speaker 2

The success of Thermite will mean diversification of revenue for the engineering business and improved margins. We've also received a small batch order for 2 new defense programs of record. The significance of this, however, is that these are 2 new programs, which are likely to go into the production phase in this fiscal year. This is a key component of success in the engineering business operations, which depends on expanding the number of programs that it supplies proprietary sub assemblies into. Our U.

Speaker 2

K. Engineering business is also seeing an uptick in its order take and has received orders for 2 new programs relating to mine hunting autonomous vehicles and a new line of military land vehicles. We believe the results of the engineering business will improve in fiscal 20 24, a significant part of this segment's revenue is back loaded. Let me now turn the call over to our Interim CFO, Gail Jardine, to take you through our financials before I provide my closing remarks.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Anne Marie, and good morning, everyone. Let me take you through our Q1 2024 financial results. Starting with revenue. In the Q1 of 2024, we recorded total revenue of $4,500,000 compared to 5.6 $1,000,000 in the Q1 of 2023, a reduction of 20.3%. The Marine Technology business or Products Business generated revenue of $3,500,000 compared to $3,800,000 a 7.4% decrease from the Q1 of 2023.

Speaker 3

Our marine engineering business or services business generated revenue of $900,000 compared to $1,800,000 a 48.2% reduction from the Q1 of 2023. As reported earlier by Ambre, this decline in our consolidated revenue was largely as a result of the service businesses reduced orders supply chain issues, which have impacted our short term ability to convert boot engineering projects to revenue in the current quarter. Moving on to gross profit and margin. In the Q1 of 2024, we generated gross profit of $3,100,000 compared to $3,800,000 in the Q1 of 2023. Gross margin was 69.2 percent versus 67.1% in the Q1 of last year.

Speaker 3

In our Marine Technology business, gross margin increased to 72.5% in the Q1 of 2024 compared to 72.2% in 2023, reflecting changes in the mix of sales and the lower commission costs recorded in the Q1 of 2024 due to the reduction in outright sales in Asia. Our Marine Engineering business gross margin increased to 56.4% in the Q1 of 2024 versus 56.0% in the Q1 of 2023, again reflecting the mix of sales. Now moving to our operating expenses. Total operating expenses for the Q1 of 24 rose slightly to $2,500,000 compared to $2,400,000 in the Q1 of 2023. Our selling, general and administrative costs in the Q1 of 2024 totaled $2,000,000 an increase of 4.2 percent over approximately $2,000,000 in the Q1 of 2023.

Speaker 3

As a percentage of revenue, our selling, general and administrative costs for the Q1 of 2024 was 4.58% compared to 35.1% in the Q1 of 2023. This increase was expected as we've previously stated that due to the significant progress we've made in R and D in the last 4 years, we are now focused on aligning a significant portion of our resources and strategy from research and development to global business development, brand building and investor relations. We expected SG and A to increase as we hired new staff in key areas and realized an increase in our payroll costs. In addition, we are still working on expanding our management team and this will also increase our SG and A expenditure. We believe these investments will increase shareholder value as we continue our focus on increasing sales across our whole group.

Speaker 3

Operating income in the Q1 of 2024 was 0 Operating margin was 12.4% compared to 24.1% in the Q1 of 2023, driven by the change in revenues as explained previously. Net income before taxes in the Q1 of 2024 was $800,000 compared to $1,400,000 in the Q1 of 2023. Net income after taxes in the Q1 of 2024 was $600,000 or $0.06 per diluted share compared to $1,400,000 or $0.12 per diluted share in the Q1 of 2023. Moving now to our balance sheet. As of January 31, 2024, we had $25,000,000 in cash and cash equivalents on hand and no debt.

Speaker 3

This represents an increase of $600,000 from October 31, 2023, with the comparable figure of $24,400,000 Our working capital increased to $40,000,000 from $37,600,000 as at October 31, 2023. I will now turn the call back over to Anne Marie for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Gail. I want to close by emphasizing that we continue to work to create stable long term shareholder value. In the 2024 fiscal year, there are a number of key management goals for our business to achieve with a focus on growth. We have a compelling calendar of prestigious business development activities in 2024 with a focus on defense applications and defense programs. Some of our goals include achieving revenue in fiscal year 2024, which exceeds our 2023 revenue continuing to seek to increase the number of programs that our Echoscope technology is embedded in, continuing to prioritize and engage in the David Ontegether system customization and hardening program with a goal of securing the technologies adoption by the Special Forces community in late calendar year 2024 or early 2025, continuing to work to ensure the successful rollout and adoption of the debit system to the market, and adoption of the digital audio communication solution, continuing to work towards returning the engineering business to its pre COVID $10,000,000 revenue profile and we're seeing traction with new programs, which will assist in achieving this goal.

Speaker 2

Expanding the group's management team and capabilities, this is ongoing. Continuing to develop our pipeline of candidates under our M and A strategy with a goal of acquiring complementary value accretive technologies into our portfolio. We continue to believe in the growth prospects and strategy built around our disruptive technologies. It is our strategy to focus on penetrating the defense market with these technologies, including seeking the inclusion of our imaging sonars in the new generation of underwater vehicles and securing the adoption of the DABET on TevaT systems by the Special Forces. By adopting this strategy, it pivots the revenue model of the Marine Technology business to a multi year and multi sale model as we have started to see with a DABET products line.

Speaker 2

Though it could take several years for these programs to mature, we continue to believe this is the best strategy for our business growth prospects. Therefore, we believe that our near term growth will be incremental, but solid. We are also committed to returning the engineering services business operations to its pre COVID $10,000,000 revenue profile and we have started to see new programs entering their pre production phases. To conclude, we would like to thank our shareholders for their continued support. We are now happy to answer your questions.

Speaker 2

Operator?

Operator

Thank Our first question is from Brian Kinstlinger with Alliance Global Partners. Please proceed.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks. I've got a handful of questions. You've talked about last earnings call as well as this earnings call about industry cancellation, shelving of major offshore renewable projects due to inflation, higher interest rates and supply chain problems. I think you mentioned a few positive signs, but maybe from a high level, do you think we're seeing meaningful progress in terms of negotiating the terms as it relates to electricity pricing resets for the rates?

Speaker 2

Hi, Maureen. Thank you for that question. It's Ann Rhee. Look, I think while we're not directly involved in those discussions, we're not at the table there. What I can say from where I am sitting in our business, we're seeing increased demand for our ex coop solution into offshore renewables.

Speaker 2

If you recall, actually, Brian, I think it was 2019, I think we did €25,000,000 And that year, what was different in that year, we were on almost all European offshore renewable projects. What I'm saying to you now, what I am seeing in terms of the utilization rate for rental, it is very, very encouraging. We saw that in the quarter. We see that continuing in Q2. And really, at the moment, we have to potentially look at expanding our rental assets because and a lot of these projects are offshore renewables and construction.

Speaker 2

So I definitely think that there are positive signs that some of these programs are going forward.

Speaker 4

Great. And then you highlighted Oceanology, where I'm sure you've got to demonstrate your technology. In the past, when do you see the impact on new orders from this conference? Is it a couple of months, a couple of quarters? Maybe give us a sense for the sales cycle post this conference.

Speaker 2

Well, what we noted in the Q1 is that sales from Asia continue to be down. And although China plays a part, so does Japan and South Korea where we saw reduced demand. So and I think that, that market will purchase in Q2, not necessarily China because we've lost visibility of demand from China, but I feel high level or high sense of confidence that Japan and South Korea will start and Singapore will start picking up following the show.

Speaker 4

Great. In terms of the DAB tethered and untethered products, you gave a lot of information. What are the next goalposts? You mentioned the sales of your commercial sale, sorry, for the Tethr system. What's the contract value of that program?

Speaker 4

And when do you expect the actual revenue contribution to rapidly increase? How should we think about that timing?

Speaker 2

Well, Brian, thank you for that question because and I think there needs to be more alignment with expectations of what we're doing. So DABID is a program and it's now a program of record. So DABID started 2019. It took 5 years to mature before we had the system going through evaluation and now being on the approved Navy use list. Now what I am excited about, Brian, is the fact that, that passive revenue stream that I've spoken about year in, year out, we're now seeing that because we're seeing existing commands putting in requests for more equipment, more DABtech solutions and also we're seeing new commands putting in requests for David.

Speaker 2

So I'm very, very excited about that. Whilst I can't give you a number of what that will mean, last year for the Teva system, we did $3,000,000 This year within our internal plan, we have $4,500,000 And I've always said that growth will be incremental for the DAF. What will be pivotal in terms of getting those numbers up will be to have not just the U. S. Navy, but foreign Navy also acquiring the solution.

Speaker 2

And we know that that is a mean for the ONTETRA system, for example. We are funded jointly between the U. S. Navy and an Allied Navy, a significant Allied Navy. So implicitly, they're on that adoption train with us.

Speaker 2

So I think what I am seeing is and I'm excited about, as I said, the program for the David Tebbit system going forward. It's passive revenues. We don't need to do any business development. It's on the approved Navy list. And they're just buying equipment.

Speaker 2

And that's what I talked about for this business quite a lot. So overall, I think this year we're trying to do €4,500,000 And another thing I'd like to mention on the DAB 2 that I see and it's very encouraging for our company is the level of engagement we're enjoying with the key customers on the program. It's one of the barriers always is the sense that it goes much slower, but we've seen them doing several dives with the on tapered system. All of the feedback overridingly positive for the business. And we don't feel there are huge hurdles for us to overcome in terms of the technology, its fitness for purpose and the path that we're going down.

Speaker 2

So overall, I continue to believe that the DAF will be significant for our group and it's one of our disruptive technologies in the market.

Speaker 4

Great. That's helpful. Turning to the services or engineering business, you were very clear that you hope to get it back to the pre COVID levels, which are $9,000,000 to $12,000,000 The federal government has essentially been in a continual resolution almost every year since I've been following, which is 20 years. Notwithstanding the longer lead times, what else have been the limiting factors to that recovery?

Speaker 2

Well, the main thing is that every time first of all, every time there is the upcoming elections that's clear, you'll never get your federal budget through and that's the real background to the continuing resolution. So it just means that you for programs that they're not optimally funded and they've got to make choices. When they get a pot of money, some will go to X and some will go to Y, but not the amount that's contracted. So that's what we're seeing. But the biggest factor for, for example, the engineering business has been the pace at which the new programs go forward.

Speaker 2

So what I reported, for example, on the U. S. Engineering side, we have 2 new programs now, which is going into its preproduction phase. We've now got the small batch orders. And why I'm excited about this and see the promise of returning the business to the €10,000,000 is these parts that now we've received the small batch orders for are for established programs of record and the engineering part is a result of obsolescence.

Speaker 2

What that means is that the production quantity is likely to be large because they'll be retrofitting those for the assets in the field. So I'm really super, super excited about those 2 programs that we have back there and they're on we've now received, as I said, the preproduction order, the evaluation patch and we expect the back end of this year that we will get the production orders. So that's on the U. S. Side.

Speaker 2

In the on the U. K. K. Side for engineering business, this last year, revenues were significantly down because of the it's like the priorities had shifted for the main customers and they were really pursuing a lot of land based applications. But what we're seeing now is an uptick of those orders that were meant to come through, some of them are coming through.

Speaker 2

And we are that business is quoting also a lot at the moment. So, I am excited about that part of the business. And also, as I mentioned before, the ceramide, it's a good example, Brian. We had 2 really major opportunities for the ceramide pre COVID and those had stalled and stalled and we've now just come back on the table. And those again will be good opportunities for business because now it's in the production fees that's not the design fees for our business.

Speaker 2

So the limiting factor has really been more a bit of COVID, the slowness, the recovery from COVID, but also the engineering business, they go through different phase from they get a new program where they're doing the design phase. It's pretty small. But once that's written into the program and then you get the production orders, that's really what gives us the kick. And that's really where we are with these new programs. Of course, for that business, it has to continue expanding the number of new programs it is supplying proprietary parts into.

Speaker 2

But I feel we're in a good spot now with recovery of COVID and then also last year where we saw a lot of land based applications. We're now seeing more and more naval requirements coming through and have won some orders there.

Speaker 4

So two more. One is a follow-up to that one. In terms of the 2 programs that are hopefully going to go into production in the U. S. As well as the new awards in the UK, Is there any way at least in total to size what these mean?

Speaker 4

Are these contributors of each $1,000,000 couple of $100,000 It's hard to understand the magnitude of the impact of these collective programs.

Speaker 2

Yes. So the way to really think about the orders is that first, there are a number of things because it's not just about the upfront production quantities you get today. It is the fact that this is our repeat orders that you get over the time. So at any one point, like those 2 new programs that we have in the U. S, I think that that would probably be around $4,000,000 for that business.

Speaker 2

And then the on the U. K. Side, that's about $2,000,000 But that's not

Speaker 4

over the lifetime program. Those are like high value?

Speaker 2

No, those are not life time values. Those are initial values that we expect.

Speaker 4

I can see why you think recovery is ahead. And then lastly on the balance sheet, which is obviously healthy, what investments are the companies is the company making to accelerate the adoption of your technology? Is it hiring more salespeople, marketing professionals? Just maybe highlight where you think you can invest to help accelerate adoption of your products?

Speaker 2

Great question, Brian. So I think, please report we've made really, really good progress since we last spoke. So we've now successfully and I don't have permission to identify the group, but we've now successfully hired a focus group in the U. S, a very, very well established focus group in the defense space. And the whole idea of that U.

Speaker 2

S. Focused group will be to provide better understanding of the opportunities we are pursuing, helping us to map the opportunities and model the opportunities more clearly, which I'll expand on once we have that. In addition, the focus group will help us with identifying new programs and making sure we're not missing any programs and generally strategy. So I'm very, very excited. We will have our kickoff with that focus group the 1st April.

Speaker 2

And I'm pleased that they'll be very impactful for our business. They're well experienced in this area. In addition to that, and that will be a significant investment for our business. Very, very significant in terms of the cost for our business. In addition to that, one of the things we've been looking for is a leader for our DAF Teva system technology in Europe.

Speaker 2

And I'm pleased to report that we are close to completing that agreement with this candidate and that this candidate will be based in the Netherlands where we have the top 20 dredgers in the world there. So it's a significant location for us. And these things take time because you want to make sure that the person has the right access, the right experience. So long and short, Brian, we are continuing to invest significantly in business development and expanding our management team. So our management team, not only are we shorter for CFO, but the biggest thing for our business is senior personnel at marketing and futures officer for the vision and strategy of our business.

Speaker 2

So we will be investing heavily in expanding our management team, which I hope by this year we have the full complement of the team that can help us to pivot to where shareholders want us to pivot, but it does take time.

Speaker 4

Great. Actually just one more. The focus group, is that a 3rd party you're hiring or is that a team you're hiring to be part of Coda?

Speaker 2

It's a 3rd party team that provides this service. Got it.

Speaker 4

Thank you

Speaker 2

so much. But we also get allocated a number of personnel to work with.

Speaker 4

Great. Thank you, Anne Marie.

Speaker 3

You're welcome.

Operator

With no further questions at this time, I would like to turn the conference back over to Ann Marie Gal for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you very much everyone for your continued interest in CUDA. Thank you for your continued support also and have a great day. Thank you everyone.

Operator

Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and thank you for your participation.

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