NASDAQ:DRRX DURECT Q4 2023 Earnings Report $0.67 -0.03 (-4.34%) As of 04/25/2025 04:00 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast DURECT EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.27Consensus EPS -$0.36Beat/MissBeat by +$0.09One Year Ago EPSN/ADURECT Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$2.67 millionExpected Revenue$2.70 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$30.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/ADURECT Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date3/27/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, March 27, 2024Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsDURECT's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 12, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by DURECT Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMarch 27, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:01Greetings and welcome to the Direct Corporation 4th Quarter and Full Year Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tim Papp, Chief Financial Officer. Operator00:00:33Thank you, Tim. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:36Good afternoon, and welcome to Direct Corporation's Q4 2023 earnings conference call. This is Tim Papp, Chief Financial Officer of Direct. Before we begin, I would like to remind you of our Safe Harbor statement. During the course of this call, we may make forward looking statements regarding Direct's products and development, expected product benefits, our development plans, future clinical trials or projected financial results. These forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to differ materially from those in such forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:09Further information regarding these and other risks can be found in our SEC filings, including our 10 ks and 10 Qs under the heading Risk Factors. To begin, I would like to review our Q4 and full year 2023 financial results. Total revenues in 2023 were $8,500,000 compared to $19,300,000 in 2022. 2023 revenues were lower primarily because 2022 revenues included $10,000,000 of milestone payments related to our POSIMIR agreement with Inacol. For the Q4 of 2023, revenues were $2,700,000 compared to $3,300,000 for the prior year. Speaker 100:01:47This decrease is due to lower revenue from collaborations in 2023. R and D expense was $29,400,000 in 2023 as compared to $36,900,000 for the prior year and $5,600,000 for the 4th quarter compared with $10,000,000 for the prior year. The decreases were primarily due to lower clinical trial related expenses as we substantially completed the AFFIRM trial, lower contract manufacturing expenses and lower employee related costs. SG and A expenses were $14,400,000 in 2023 as compared to $15,900,000 for the prior year and 2 point $7,000,000 for the Q4 compared with $4,300,000 for the prior year. These decreases were primarily due to lower patent expenses as well as lower employee expenses. Speaker 100:02:32As of December 31, 2023, we had cash and investments of $29,800,000 as compared to $43,600,000 at December 31, 2022, and our cash burn for 2023 was $38,100,000 excluding net proceeds from financings. We believe our cash on hand is sufficient to fund operations through the end of 2024. Now I would like to turn the call over to Jim Brown, our Chief Executive Officer, for a business update. Speaker 200:03:00Thank you, Tim. Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for our Q4 2023 update. Last November, we announced top line results from our Affirmed Phase 2b clinical trial, which evaluated larcuchosterol and alcohol associated hepatitis. The key takeaway from these results is that patients treated with larcuchosterol had lower mortality at 90 days compared with patients that received placebo. Speaker 200:03:29We're excited about the result and believe they show the potential for larcucosterol to provide a clinically meaningful survival benefit in these severe Ah patients. To our knowledge, no previously controlled trial has demonstrated an improvement in mortality of this magnitude in this devastating disease. We also saw an encouraging safety profile for LASUKO SERAL with a lower number of adverse events for the active arms as compared with placebo. We are in ongoing communications with the FDA about the design for a potential confirmatory Phase 3 trial that could serve as the basis for an NDA filing. We expect to provide a further update in the second quarter. Speaker 200:04:16We continue to be encouraged by the overwhelming support of Ah thought leaders and the broader hepatology community who have had no effective therapy for these patients. Our Phase 2bAFFIRM trial was a placebo controlled, double blind, multinational study with 2 active arms of 30 milligrams 90 milligrams of lopsicosterol and a placebo arm of approximately 100 patients each. We allowed physicians to utilize their standard practice for treating Ah, which allowed for the use of corticosteroids in addition to supportive care such as fluids and nutritional support as well as antibiotics for infection. In total, we randomized 307 patients with severe Ah from a global network of clinical sites, including leading hospitals in the United States, Australia, the EU and the UK. Our sites included renowned liver centers and we had the honor of working with some of the world's preeminent thought leaders in Ah. Speaker 200:05:18The top line results in the key secondary endpoint of mortality at 90 days showed a 41% reduction with a 30 milligram dose of larcicoasterol and a 35% reduction with a 90 milligram dose of LARCHICOSTEREL when compared with placebo. We also reported a numerical improvement in the primary end of reduction in mortality or liver transplant at 90 days. So neither the primary or key secondary endpoint results achieved statistical significance. Even more impressive results were observed in the U. S. Speaker 200:05:46Population, which comprised 3 quarters of the total enrollment in Affirm that was 232 out of 307 patients. In the U. S. Patients, we saw reductions in mortality of 57% 58% with a 30 90 milligram arms, respectively, as compared with placebo. Although not part of the original statistical analysis plan, the P values for these results were both approximately 0.01. Speaker 200:06:13Very importantly, Larcigosterol exhibited an excellent safety profile with no serious adverse events in either arm and greater than 20% reductions in the number of treatment emergent adverse events for both active arms in these severely ill patients. Ultimately, these clinically meaningful reductions in mortality, coupled with the reduction in adverse events in these severely ill patients, reinforce the compelling risk reward proposition for Larcugo Sterile. We are in active communication with the FDA about the design of a confirmatory Phase 3 trial in Ah. We continue to believe that the AFFIRM data provide compelling evidence that larcicosterol could represent a safe and effective therapy with life saving potential for Ah patients. As a reminder, Ah is the cause of more than 150,000 hospitalizations each year in the U. Speaker 200:07:07S. And with a 90 day mortality rate of approximately 30% is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths each year. There are no effective treatments for Ah. If flarceucosterol meets our expectations in Phase 3 and we are able to gain approval, it would likely be the 1st FDA approved treatment for this disease. In addition to its high mortality rate, Ah represents a significant cost to the U. Speaker 200:07:32S. Healthcare system. Hospitalizations attributed to Ah typically incur costs ranging from $60,000 to over $160,000 This results in a total cost to hospitals of approximately $10,000,000,000 annually. As a result, our sucral represents a potential multibillion dollar opportunity in the United States alone I could simultaneously provide overall cost savings to the healthcare system. We would now like to take any questions you may have. Operator00:08:06Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. Your first question comes from Prasad Bryce Boast with Oppenheimer and Co. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:08:39Hi. Can you help us understand maybe a little more of the timing of when the discussions with the FDA took place? How long and maybe how long after that you intend on updating the market? Thank you. Speaker 200:08:53Hi, Frank. Right now, we're right in the middle of the communication. So I don't have a sense. I'm going to have some sense, but I really can't share much from where we are now. I think we'll have to wait for the process to complete. Speaker 200:09:08And then once we have clarity from them, then we will communicate that in a very rapid fashion. Speaker 300:09:17Understood. And then can you help us understand maybe a little bit of the feedback you're getting from physicians from the obviously the public cut of the data that you released? Speaker 200:09:27Yes, it's been just extremely positive. As we all know, this disease hasn't had really any major breakthrough as far as being able to help these patients out in more than 40 years. And in our U. S. Population, which was the 232 out of the 307, we had a 28% mortality, which fits right in with that 30% we've been talking about, that's been in the literature. Speaker 200:09:50150,000 hospitalizations, we're talking 40 plus 1,000 people dying every year in the United States. That's about as many as die from breast cancer and it's horrible circumstance and there's nothing out there. So when they see these data and they see 40%, 50%, 60% reduction in mortality and what appears to be a safer alternative to what they're giving today. Certainly, we're not seeing anything in the way of increased side effects and potentially fewer. That matters a lot to them. Speaker 200:10:23So we've got tremendous grassroots support from the physicians who treat these patients And they are looking forward to getting the product out there and have a great number of them have volunteered to help out. I guess I would let Norman maybe Norman, what are you hearing from your colleagues with regard to that? Hello, Frank. Yes, It's overwhelmingly positive. One of the I think you were at the big meeting in Boston. Speaker 200:10:58And one of the leaders who wrote one of the very first overall papers on Ah, when I showed it to him, he said, man, this is the first positive result in over 30 years. It gives you some idea of the level of enthusiasm. Speaker 300:11:17Great. Thank you. And then maybe can you share how involved with the FDA communications are thought leaders or just anything about that process or could you not disclose that? Speaker 200:11:31Yes, probably not. I mean typically the communication between the FDA is between the FDA and the company. But we do involve the thought leaders to a large extent as we're looking at what in the additional study would look like, the Phase 3 trial. The so they're involved heavily there. And we're also having people involved, thought leaders involved in as we analyze the data, because this is I've heard a number of people say this is the most comprehensive study that's probably been done in Ah, we're talking over 300 patients. Speaker 200:12:08We're learning a lot about how this disease is diagnosed and treated globally as well as here in the United States. And so as every week or so goes by, we end up learning more from this database and more about this disease and how to approach the disease. So it's really been just a wealth of information. Speaker 300:12:30Thank you. Speaker 200:12:31Sure. Thank you. Operator00:12:36The next question comes from Carl Burns with Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:12:43Thanks for the question and congratulations on your progress here. I'm wondering and this is kind of on the heels of the prior questions. Do you have any comments in terms of the FDA's enthusiasm, considering the urgent unmet medical need to treat Ah and the compelling U. S. Subject subgroup analysis for lucifericosterol along with the profound safety profile? Speaker 400:13:06And then I have a follow-up as well. Thanks. Speaker 200:13:09Yes. No, I wouldn't want to be trying to state what the FDA feel. I think they're very clinical in their approach and very logical and rational. And they certainly there are, I know at least 2 physicians in this division that have treated liver patients. So I'm sure that this matters a lot to them, but I couldn't speak to anything beyond that. Speaker 400:13:38Okay, fair enough. And then, do you have any comment on whether or not you continue to expect that the Phase 3 would be a U. S. Only enrollment type study? Or has there been any change in terms of that thought process? Speaker 400:13:52Thanks. Speaker 200:13:53No, I don't think so. I think we would still be looking to conduct it in United States because of the homogeneity of healthcare provision in the United States. We've got a large population there, a huge problem here. And the disease is although it certainly is a global disease and it influences people, unfortunately, everywhere around the world where alcohol is consumed. And but in the United States, we do have our population. Speaker 200:14:20I think we've talked about this. Generally speaking, they were a bit younger than the outside regions of the world. Also, we tend to have a number of metabolic issues from the diets that we have. When you combine that with alcohol, you end up with patients that I think are maybe a bit more predisposed to this disease. But that being said, I do believe once this drug has a chance to be tested again, there'll be a nice opportunity for it both inside the U. Speaker 200:14:52S. And outside the U. S. Because this disease is a global problem. Speaker 400:14:57Excellent. Thanks so much. Speaker 500:15:04Thank you. Our next question is coming from Ed Arce with H. C. Wainwright. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:15:12Hi, good afternoon, everyone. This is Thomas here asking a couple of questions for Ed. Thank you for taking my questions. So first, just to clarify that the communications that you're describing with the FDA, is this the NF Phase 2 meeting and also assuming a path for this identified from these meetings. Can you just talk about a rough timeline to pick a readout specifically how many months for the trial to begin and also how long the study will be themselves finished? Speaker 200:15:48Yes. I wouldn't want to comment on that until we have finished our communication with them around the protocol. But certainly what we're discussing is a path forward for a Phase 3 to obtain approval for this drug and that much you can take home. But beyond that, I would wait until we finish the communications. Speaker 600:16:09Understood. Then perhaps as you or as you pointed out, you're in communications agency. Can you share some preliminary thoughts just internally? What will you consider to be key elements of this pivotal study, specifically the end some key endpoints that you will focus on and also how large do you anticipate the study will be? Speaker 200:16:37Yes, I would want to wait until we finish with our dialogue with them. But it'll be similar I think to what we have seen. I mean, if you look at the trial that we just had, we looked at the 232 patients that we dosed within the United States and we saw this near 60% reduction statistics of below 0.01, 20%, fewer adverse events, those kind of things. So I think we've got a good basis to build from as we look for a Phase 3 design, but we're going to wait until it's done before we talk about it. But I think if you consider that trial, you're not going to be in the ballpark. Speaker 600:17:22Understood. Perhaps one more question from us, this one regarding the LSAT agreement with Charles River Labs. Just wonder if you can share some financials to do and the licensing fee there and how is the product share structure between the 2 companies? Speaker 200:17:41Yes, I don't know how much we would share on the financials, but I would we have Keith Louie on the line and Keith is our Head of Commercial and Business Development and Elzette reports into him. So I'll let him kind of speak to the relationship with Charles River and the excitement that we have for being able to work with them. So Keith, please. Speaker 700:17:59Yes. Thanks, Jim. I don't think we discussed the financials in particular, but this is the first ever sales and marketing collaboration for the LZ product line that we've had in the U. S. And Canada. Speaker 700:18:12So we are certainly excited about that. And with that important collaboration with as quality of an organization as Charles River that is a well known organization worldwide and partnering particularly with their research models and services group. They have a pretty robust sales force out there. It's a presence that we've never had in U. S. Speaker 700:18:33Or Canada for the ALDET product line. So we are really looking forward to the partnership which kicked off just on January 1. Salesforce is trained and I think we can report some of the positive findings from that relationship in subsequent calls. Speaker 600:18:56Got it. Thank you again for taking my questions and we look forward your at the conclusion of your discussions with the FDA for the Loscostero. Speaker 200:19:10Absolutely, as do we. Thank you so much. Speaker 500:19:14Thank you. It appears we have no additional questions at this time. So I'd like to pass the floor back over to Doctor. Brown for any additional closing remarks. Speaker 200:19:22With that, I just want to thank you for your time. And as always, if you have additional questions, please reach out to us and we look forward to catching up. Thank you all. Take care. Speaker 500:19:33Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. Once again, we thank you for your participation and you may disconnect your lines at this time.Read morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallDURECT Q4 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Annual report(10-K) DURECT Earnings HeadlinesStockNews.com Initiates Coverage on DURECT (NASDAQ:DRRX)April 20, 2025 | americanbankingnews.comOppenheimer Sticks to Its Buy Rating for Durect (DRRX)March 30, 2025 | markets.businessinsider.comHere’s How to Claim Your Stake in Elon’s Private Company, xAIElon Musk has done it again. He’s developed a powerful new AI model that’s already turning heads — and turning the industry upside down. Some say it could threaten Google’s search engine dominance. Others believe it could mark the beginning of the end for ChatGPT.April 26, 2025 | Brownstone Research (Ad)Here's Why We're A Bit Worried About DURECT's (NASDAQ:DRRX) Cash Burn SituationMarch 28, 2025 | finance.yahoo.comDURECT Corporation (NASDAQ:DRRX) Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptMarch 28, 2025 | msn.comDURECT outlines $20M Phase 3 trial for larsucosterol in alcohol-associated hepatitisMarch 27, 2025 | msn.comSee More DURECT Headlines Get Earnings Announcements in your inboxWant to stay updated on the latest earnings announcements and upcoming reports for companies like DURECT? Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on DURECT and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About DURECTDURECT (NASDAQ:DRRX), a biopharmaceutical company, develops medicines based on its epigenetic regulator program. The company's lead product larsucosterol (DUR-928), an endogenous, orally bioavailable small molecule that is in Phase IIb clinical trial to play a regulatory role in lipid metabolism, stress and inflammatory responses, and cell death and survival to treat alcohol-associated hepatitis, as well as completed Phase Ib clinical trial to treat patients with nonalcoholic steatohepatitis. It also offers ALZET product line that consists of osmotic pumps and accessories used for research in mice, rats, and other laboratory animals. In addition, the company offers POSIMIR, a post-surgical pain product to deliver bupivacaine over three days in adults; and Methydur to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. It markets and sells its ALZET lines through direct sales force in the United States, as well as through a network of distributors in other countries. The company has strategic collaboration and other agreements with Virginia Commonwealth University Intellectual Property Foundation; Indivior UK Ltd.; and Innocoll Pharmaceuticals Limited. DURECT Corporation was incorporated in 1998 and is headquartered in Cupertino, California.View DURECT ProfileRead more More Earnings Resources from MarketBeat Earnings Tools Today's Earnings Tomorrow's Earnings Next Week's Earnings Upcoming Earnings Calls Earnings Newsletter Earnings Call Transcripts Earnings Beats & Misses Corporate Guidance Earnings Screener Earnings By Country U.S. Earnings Reports Canadian Earnings Reports U.K. Earnings Reports Latest Articles Markets Think Robinhood Earnings Could Send the Stock UpIs the Floor in for Lam Research After Bullish Earnings?Market Anticipation Builds: Joby Stock Climbs Ahead of EarningsIs Intuitive Surgical a Buy After Volatile Reaction to Earnings?Seismic Shift at Intel: Massive Layoffs Precede Crucial EarningsRocket Lab Lands New Contract, Builds Momentum Ahead of EarningsAmazon's Earnings Could Fuel a Rapid Breakout Upcoming Earnings Cadence Design Systems (4/28/2025)Welltower (4/28/2025)Waste Management (4/28/2025)AstraZeneca (4/29/2025)Mondelez International (4/29/2025)PayPal (4/29/2025)Starbucks (4/29/2025)DoorDash (4/29/2025)Honeywell International (4/29/2025)Regeneron Pharmaceuticals (4/29/2025) Get 30 Days of MarketBeat All Access for Free Sign up for MarketBeat All Access to gain access to MarketBeat's full suite of research tools. Start Your 30-Day Trial MarketBeat All Access Features Best-in-Class Portfolio Monitoring Get personalized stock ideas. Compare portfolio to indices. Check stock news, ratings, SEC filings, and more. Stock Ideas and Recommendations See daily stock ideas from top analysts. Receive short-term trading ideas from MarketBeat. Identify trending stocks on social media. Advanced Stock Screeners and Research Tools Use our seven stock screeners to find suitable stocks. Stay informed with MarketBeat's real-time news. Export data to Excel for personal analysis. Sign in to your free account to enjoy these benefits In-depth profiles and analysis for 20,000 public companies. Real-time analyst ratings, insider transactions, earnings data, and more. Our daily ratings and market update email newsletter. Sign in to your free account to enjoy all that MarketBeat has to offer. Sign In Create Account Your Email Address: Email Address Required Your Password: Password Required Log In or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google Forgot your password? Your Email Address: Please enter your email address. Please enter a valid email address Choose a Password: Please enter your password. Your password must be at least 8 characters long and contain at least 1 number, 1 letter, and 1 special character. Create My Account (Free) or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google By creating a free account, you agree to our terms of service. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:01Greetings and welcome to the Direct Corporation 4th Quarter and Full Year Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tim Papp, Chief Financial Officer. Operator00:00:33Thank you, Tim. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:36Good afternoon, and welcome to Direct Corporation's Q4 2023 earnings conference call. This is Tim Papp, Chief Financial Officer of Direct. Before we begin, I would like to remind you of our Safe Harbor statement. During the course of this call, we may make forward looking statements regarding Direct's products and development, expected product benefits, our development plans, future clinical trials or projected financial results. These forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to differ materially from those in such forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:09Further information regarding these and other risks can be found in our SEC filings, including our 10 ks and 10 Qs under the heading Risk Factors. To begin, I would like to review our Q4 and full year 2023 financial results. Total revenues in 2023 were $8,500,000 compared to $19,300,000 in 2022. 2023 revenues were lower primarily because 2022 revenues included $10,000,000 of milestone payments related to our POSIMIR agreement with Inacol. For the Q4 of 2023, revenues were $2,700,000 compared to $3,300,000 for the prior year. Speaker 100:01:47This decrease is due to lower revenue from collaborations in 2023. R and D expense was $29,400,000 in 2023 as compared to $36,900,000 for the prior year and $5,600,000 for the 4th quarter compared with $10,000,000 for the prior year. The decreases were primarily due to lower clinical trial related expenses as we substantially completed the AFFIRM trial, lower contract manufacturing expenses and lower employee related costs. SG and A expenses were $14,400,000 in 2023 as compared to $15,900,000 for the prior year and 2 point $7,000,000 for the Q4 compared with $4,300,000 for the prior year. These decreases were primarily due to lower patent expenses as well as lower employee expenses. Speaker 100:02:32As of December 31, 2023, we had cash and investments of $29,800,000 as compared to $43,600,000 at December 31, 2022, and our cash burn for 2023 was $38,100,000 excluding net proceeds from financings. We believe our cash on hand is sufficient to fund operations through the end of 2024. Now I would like to turn the call over to Jim Brown, our Chief Executive Officer, for a business update. Speaker 200:03:00Thank you, Tim. Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for our Q4 2023 update. Last November, we announced top line results from our Affirmed Phase 2b clinical trial, which evaluated larcuchosterol and alcohol associated hepatitis. The key takeaway from these results is that patients treated with larcuchosterol had lower mortality at 90 days compared with patients that received placebo. Speaker 200:03:29We're excited about the result and believe they show the potential for larcucosterol to provide a clinically meaningful survival benefit in these severe Ah patients. To our knowledge, no previously controlled trial has demonstrated an improvement in mortality of this magnitude in this devastating disease. We also saw an encouraging safety profile for LASUKO SERAL with a lower number of adverse events for the active arms as compared with placebo. We are in ongoing communications with the FDA about the design for a potential confirmatory Phase 3 trial that could serve as the basis for an NDA filing. We expect to provide a further update in the second quarter. Speaker 200:04:16We continue to be encouraged by the overwhelming support of Ah thought leaders and the broader hepatology community who have had no effective therapy for these patients. Our Phase 2bAFFIRM trial was a placebo controlled, double blind, multinational study with 2 active arms of 30 milligrams 90 milligrams of lopsicosterol and a placebo arm of approximately 100 patients each. We allowed physicians to utilize their standard practice for treating Ah, which allowed for the use of corticosteroids in addition to supportive care such as fluids and nutritional support as well as antibiotics for infection. In total, we randomized 307 patients with severe Ah from a global network of clinical sites, including leading hospitals in the United States, Australia, the EU and the UK. Our sites included renowned liver centers and we had the honor of working with some of the world's preeminent thought leaders in Ah. Speaker 200:05:18The top line results in the key secondary endpoint of mortality at 90 days showed a 41% reduction with a 30 milligram dose of larcicoasterol and a 35% reduction with a 90 milligram dose of LARCHICOSTEREL when compared with placebo. We also reported a numerical improvement in the primary end of reduction in mortality or liver transplant at 90 days. So neither the primary or key secondary endpoint results achieved statistical significance. Even more impressive results were observed in the U. S. Speaker 200:05:46Population, which comprised 3 quarters of the total enrollment in Affirm that was 232 out of 307 patients. In the U. S. Patients, we saw reductions in mortality of 57% 58% with a 30 90 milligram arms, respectively, as compared with placebo. Although not part of the original statistical analysis plan, the P values for these results were both approximately 0.01. Speaker 200:06:13Very importantly, Larcigosterol exhibited an excellent safety profile with no serious adverse events in either arm and greater than 20% reductions in the number of treatment emergent adverse events for both active arms in these severely ill patients. Ultimately, these clinically meaningful reductions in mortality, coupled with the reduction in adverse events in these severely ill patients, reinforce the compelling risk reward proposition for Larcugo Sterile. We are in active communication with the FDA about the design of a confirmatory Phase 3 trial in Ah. We continue to believe that the AFFIRM data provide compelling evidence that larcicosterol could represent a safe and effective therapy with life saving potential for Ah patients. As a reminder, Ah is the cause of more than 150,000 hospitalizations each year in the U. Speaker 200:07:07S. And with a 90 day mortality rate of approximately 30% is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths each year. There are no effective treatments for Ah. If flarceucosterol meets our expectations in Phase 3 and we are able to gain approval, it would likely be the 1st FDA approved treatment for this disease. In addition to its high mortality rate, Ah represents a significant cost to the U. Speaker 200:07:32S. Healthcare system. Hospitalizations attributed to Ah typically incur costs ranging from $60,000 to over $160,000 This results in a total cost to hospitals of approximately $10,000,000,000 annually. As a result, our sucral represents a potential multibillion dollar opportunity in the United States alone I could simultaneously provide overall cost savings to the healthcare system. We would now like to take any questions you may have. Operator00:08:06Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. Your first question comes from Prasad Bryce Boast with Oppenheimer and Co. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:08:39Hi. Can you help us understand maybe a little more of the timing of when the discussions with the FDA took place? How long and maybe how long after that you intend on updating the market? Thank you. Speaker 200:08:53Hi, Frank. Right now, we're right in the middle of the communication. So I don't have a sense. I'm going to have some sense, but I really can't share much from where we are now. I think we'll have to wait for the process to complete. Speaker 200:09:08And then once we have clarity from them, then we will communicate that in a very rapid fashion. Speaker 300:09:17Understood. And then can you help us understand maybe a little bit of the feedback you're getting from physicians from the obviously the public cut of the data that you released? Speaker 200:09:27Yes, it's been just extremely positive. As we all know, this disease hasn't had really any major breakthrough as far as being able to help these patients out in more than 40 years. And in our U. S. Population, which was the 232 out of the 307, we had a 28% mortality, which fits right in with that 30% we've been talking about, that's been in the literature. Speaker 200:09:50150,000 hospitalizations, we're talking 40 plus 1,000 people dying every year in the United States. That's about as many as die from breast cancer and it's horrible circumstance and there's nothing out there. So when they see these data and they see 40%, 50%, 60% reduction in mortality and what appears to be a safer alternative to what they're giving today. Certainly, we're not seeing anything in the way of increased side effects and potentially fewer. That matters a lot to them. Speaker 200:10:23So we've got tremendous grassroots support from the physicians who treat these patients And they are looking forward to getting the product out there and have a great number of them have volunteered to help out. I guess I would let Norman maybe Norman, what are you hearing from your colleagues with regard to that? Hello, Frank. Yes, It's overwhelmingly positive. One of the I think you were at the big meeting in Boston. Speaker 200:10:58And one of the leaders who wrote one of the very first overall papers on Ah, when I showed it to him, he said, man, this is the first positive result in over 30 years. It gives you some idea of the level of enthusiasm. Speaker 300:11:17Great. Thank you. And then maybe can you share how involved with the FDA communications are thought leaders or just anything about that process or could you not disclose that? Speaker 200:11:31Yes, probably not. I mean typically the communication between the FDA is between the FDA and the company. But we do involve the thought leaders to a large extent as we're looking at what in the additional study would look like, the Phase 3 trial. The so they're involved heavily there. And we're also having people involved, thought leaders involved in as we analyze the data, because this is I've heard a number of people say this is the most comprehensive study that's probably been done in Ah, we're talking over 300 patients. Speaker 200:12:08We're learning a lot about how this disease is diagnosed and treated globally as well as here in the United States. And so as every week or so goes by, we end up learning more from this database and more about this disease and how to approach the disease. So it's really been just a wealth of information. Speaker 300:12:30Thank you. Speaker 200:12:31Sure. Thank you. Operator00:12:36The next question comes from Carl Burns with Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:12:43Thanks for the question and congratulations on your progress here. I'm wondering and this is kind of on the heels of the prior questions. Do you have any comments in terms of the FDA's enthusiasm, considering the urgent unmet medical need to treat Ah and the compelling U. S. Subject subgroup analysis for lucifericosterol along with the profound safety profile? Speaker 400:13:06And then I have a follow-up as well. Thanks. Speaker 200:13:09Yes. No, I wouldn't want to be trying to state what the FDA feel. I think they're very clinical in their approach and very logical and rational. And they certainly there are, I know at least 2 physicians in this division that have treated liver patients. So I'm sure that this matters a lot to them, but I couldn't speak to anything beyond that. Speaker 400:13:38Okay, fair enough. And then, do you have any comment on whether or not you continue to expect that the Phase 3 would be a U. S. Only enrollment type study? Or has there been any change in terms of that thought process? Speaker 400:13:52Thanks. Speaker 200:13:53No, I don't think so. I think we would still be looking to conduct it in United States because of the homogeneity of healthcare provision in the United States. We've got a large population there, a huge problem here. And the disease is although it certainly is a global disease and it influences people, unfortunately, everywhere around the world where alcohol is consumed. And but in the United States, we do have our population. Speaker 200:14:20I think we've talked about this. Generally speaking, they were a bit younger than the outside regions of the world. Also, we tend to have a number of metabolic issues from the diets that we have. When you combine that with alcohol, you end up with patients that I think are maybe a bit more predisposed to this disease. But that being said, I do believe once this drug has a chance to be tested again, there'll be a nice opportunity for it both inside the U. Speaker 200:14:52S. And outside the U. S. Because this disease is a global problem. Speaker 400:14:57Excellent. Thanks so much. Speaker 500:15:04Thank you. Our next question is coming from Ed Arce with H. C. Wainwright. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:15:12Hi, good afternoon, everyone. This is Thomas here asking a couple of questions for Ed. Thank you for taking my questions. So first, just to clarify that the communications that you're describing with the FDA, is this the NF Phase 2 meeting and also assuming a path for this identified from these meetings. Can you just talk about a rough timeline to pick a readout specifically how many months for the trial to begin and also how long the study will be themselves finished? Speaker 200:15:48Yes. I wouldn't want to comment on that until we have finished our communication with them around the protocol. But certainly what we're discussing is a path forward for a Phase 3 to obtain approval for this drug and that much you can take home. But beyond that, I would wait until we finish the communications. Speaker 600:16:09Understood. Then perhaps as you or as you pointed out, you're in communications agency. Can you share some preliminary thoughts just internally? What will you consider to be key elements of this pivotal study, specifically the end some key endpoints that you will focus on and also how large do you anticipate the study will be? Speaker 200:16:37Yes, I would want to wait until we finish with our dialogue with them. But it'll be similar I think to what we have seen. I mean, if you look at the trial that we just had, we looked at the 232 patients that we dosed within the United States and we saw this near 60% reduction statistics of below 0.01, 20%, fewer adverse events, those kind of things. So I think we've got a good basis to build from as we look for a Phase 3 design, but we're going to wait until it's done before we talk about it. But I think if you consider that trial, you're not going to be in the ballpark. Speaker 600:17:22Understood. Perhaps one more question from us, this one regarding the LSAT agreement with Charles River Labs. Just wonder if you can share some financials to do and the licensing fee there and how is the product share structure between the 2 companies? Speaker 200:17:41Yes, I don't know how much we would share on the financials, but I would we have Keith Louie on the line and Keith is our Head of Commercial and Business Development and Elzette reports into him. So I'll let him kind of speak to the relationship with Charles River and the excitement that we have for being able to work with them. So Keith, please. Speaker 700:17:59Yes. Thanks, Jim. I don't think we discussed the financials in particular, but this is the first ever sales and marketing collaboration for the LZ product line that we've had in the U. S. And Canada. Speaker 700:18:12So we are certainly excited about that. And with that important collaboration with as quality of an organization as Charles River that is a well known organization worldwide and partnering particularly with their research models and services group. They have a pretty robust sales force out there. It's a presence that we've never had in U. S. Speaker 700:18:33Or Canada for the ALDET product line. So we are really looking forward to the partnership which kicked off just on January 1. Salesforce is trained and I think we can report some of the positive findings from that relationship in subsequent calls. Speaker 600:18:56Got it. Thank you again for taking my questions and we look forward your at the conclusion of your discussions with the FDA for the Loscostero. Speaker 200:19:10Absolutely, as do we. Thank you so much. Speaker 500:19:14Thank you. It appears we have no additional questions at this time. So I'd like to pass the floor back over to Doctor. Brown for any additional closing remarks. Speaker 200:19:22With that, I just want to thank you for your time. And as always, if you have additional questions, please reach out to us and we look forward to catching up. Thank you all. Take care. Speaker 500:19:33Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. Once again, we thank you for your participation and you may disconnect your lines at this time.Read morePowered by