Emeren Group Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by for Emeren Group Limited's 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that we are recording today's conference call. I will now turn the call over to Gary Dvorchak, Managing Director of The Blueshirt Group. Please go ahead, Mr.

Operator

Dvorchak.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss our Q4 full year 2023 results. We released our shareholder letter after the market closed today and is available on our website at ir.emarin.com. We also provided a supplemental presentation that's posted on our IR website that we will reference during our prepared remarks. On the call with me today are Mr.

Speaker 1

Yumen Liu, Chief Executive Officer and Mr. Ke Chen, Chief Financial Officer. Before we continue, please turn to Slide 2. Let me remind you that remarks made during this call may include predictions, estimates or other information that might be considered forward looking. These forward looking statements represent Ameren Group's current judgment for the future.

Speaker 1

However, they are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Those risks are described under Risk Factors and elsewhere in Emeren Group's filings with the SEC. Please do not place undue reliance on these forward looking statements, which reflect Emmering Group opinions only as of the date of this call. Emeren Group is not obliged to update you on any revisions to these forward looking statements. In addition, please note that all financial numbers discussed in this call are unaudited.

Speaker 1

Also, please note that unless otherwise stated, all figures mentioned during the conference call are in U. S. Dollars. With that, let me now turn the call over to Yumen Du. Yumen, go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Gary. Thank you everyone for joining our call today. I'll begin by providing an overview of our performance in Q4 and the full year of 2023, followed by the main achievements. I'll then talk about our project pipeline. After that, Ke will deliver a comprehensive breakdown of our financial results for Q4 and our guidance for 2024.

Speaker 2

We closed 2023 with $104,700,000 revenue, 22.2 percent gross margin and a $9,300,000 net loss. These results were below our full year guidance primarily due to the delays in closing the sales of 6 projects in the U. S. And Europe, which are now expected to be pushed up to 2024. Our Q4 results were further impacted by several one time items, including a $4,100,000 assessment to the earn out revenue at our 75 Megawatt of projects in Portland, as well as a $5,000,000 of write offs of project cancellations and bad debt reserves.

Speaker 2

Our projects continue to face delays due to a mix of rising interest rates affecting financing terms, utility scale project delays stemming from transmission capacity challenges and regulatory uncertainty in the U. S. And Europe. These challenges underscore the need for adaptability in our product financing strategies. The importance of early engagement with transmission and utility stakeholders and close monitoring of regulatory development in the U.

Speaker 2

S. And Europe. Despite these challenges, we are focused on executing our core solar project development strategy, diversifying our global footprint and advancing our position as a leading global renewable energy company. Turning to what we have achieved in Q4. First, we announced the sale of our 53.6 Megawatt solar project portfolio in Hungary to Kronespan Dock Glass Renewables.

Speaker 2

The portfolio includes 6 projects at various development stages, with 4 already operational as of today. This venture contributes significantly to Hungary's photovoltaic capacity and aligns with Ameren's mission to enhance solar energy infrastructure. Also, we acquired an 86 Megawatt solar portfolio in Spain, comprised of 13 utility scale projects. These projects are expected to significantly contribute to our energy production capacity, powering thousands of households and enhancing our storage capabilities. Further, we achieved a significant milestone by setting a 703 Megawatt Battery Energy Storage System, our BSS project portfolio in Italy to Matrix Renewables under the Development Service Agreement or DSA, which combined with the previous sale of the 2 60 megawatt in Q2 amounted to a total of 9 63 megawatt of BaaS projects, with majority of the portfolio having an 8 hour duration under the DSA structure with Matrix.

Speaker 2

This achievement marked a substantial advance towards a great portfolio target of 1.5 gigawatt in the DSA partnership with Matrix. Finally, we expanded our energy storage portfolio in China by acquiring a 10.8 Megawatt Hour Energy Storage This acquisition comprised of 6 energy storage power stations in Zhejiang Province enhances Ameren's position in the China energy storage market. We plan to generate returns through energy arbitrage and participation in virtual power plant scenarios, leveraging the facilities connected to Huaneng Power International's VPP platform. This strategic move aligns with our global storage expansion and the growing VPP market in China. We acknowledge the results over the past 2 years have been unsatisfactory and we fully accept responsibility for not meeting investors' expectations.

Speaker 2

To address this, we have been working under our development service agreement structured to recognize revenue and receive payments from early stage projects in Italy in the past year and a half. This DSA model is now being implemented in more markets, including several countries in Europe and the U. S. This strategic move allows us to capitalize more effectively on our early stage project portfolio. Compared to the traditional model of the revenue recognition and payment collection at the notice proceed or NTP stage, Our DSA enables us to better manage our returns and risk throughout the development process, optimizing the timing of the project completions and bolster cash flow.

Speaker 2

We also implemented strategic cost control initiatives throughout all regions aimed at enhancing efficiency and optimizing resource allocation. These measures include workforce reduction, lean management policies, halting certain greenfield developments to concentrate efforts and resources on advancing existing product portfolios. This shift aims to reduce overhead associated with new greenfield exploration and allocate personnel more effectively to projects with higher likelihood of success, improved profitability and shorter development cycles. In addition, in February 2024, we announced that our Board of Directors approved an accelerated stock repurchase, ASR program of up to $10,000,000 This accelerated stock repurchase program underscore Board's commitment to our shareholders and confidence in the company's future growth. With our expertise in solar project development, strong industry network and solid balance sheet, we are making significant progress towards becoming an industry leading global solar and storage developer.

Speaker 2

Our strategic focus remains on maintaining a lean cost structure and achieving sustainable profitability, while monetizing our extensive advanced stage project pipeline. Looking forward to 2024 and beyond, we remain well positioned in the world's fast growing solar markets that are benefiting from increasing demand for clean energy and supportive government policies and technology trends. The solar industry is experiencing strong tailwinds, driven by the global commitment to renewable energy and sustainability. Governments and corporations worldwide are setting ambitious targets for reducing carbon emissions, which in turn fuels significant demand for solar energy solutions. One of the most exciting developments in the renewable energy sector is the booming demand for solar power to support artificial intelligence, AI operations.

Speaker 2

As AI technologies become increasingly integrated into our daily lives and business operations. The substantial energy needed to power these advanced systems is evident. Solar energy and battery storage with their scalability and decreasing cost profile are becoming a reliable source of power for this high-tech applications, further driving demand in the sector. Moreover, we are witnessing a surge in overall electricity and storage demand. The electrification of transportation, the property operation of electric vehicles and increasing need for energy storage solutions amplifying this demand.

Speaker 2

With strong demand for solar energy storage projects globally, we enter 2024 with around 3.1 gigawatt of high quality advanced stage project pipeline. We anticipate monetizing approximately 400 megawatts to 4 50 megawatts in 2024. Furthermore, we accumulated approximately 5 gigawatt independent storage project pipeline with 4 to 8 hour duration in the planning, which equals to 20 to 40 gigawatt hours at end of 2023. We expect to begin accelerating monetization this portfolio in 2024. We expect 2024 full year revenue to be in the range of $150,000,000 to $160,000,000 We expect gross margin to be approximately 30% and net income to be at least $26,000,000 or approximately 0.5 dollars per ADS.

Speaker 2

We anticipate our 2024 IPP revenue to be between $24,000,000 to $26,000,000 and the gross margin to be approximately 50%. We expect gross profit contributed by DSA globally to be at least $6,000,000 For the first half of twenty twenty four, we expect revenue to be in the range of $50,000,000 to 55,000,000 We expect gross margin to be approximately 30%. Finally, we expect our operating cash flow to be positive throughout the full year of 2024 and cash balance to exceed $100,000,000 at end of 2024. Now let me turn the call over to our CFO, Ke Chen to discuss our financial performance and guidance. Ke?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Yiming, and thank everyone again for joining us on the call today. Our revenue of $44,000,000 increased 71% year over year from Q4 2022 and 2 15% sequentially from Q3 2023. Revenue was lower than our guidance, primarily due to delays in closing the sales of 6 projects in the U. S. And Europe, which are now expected to close in the first half of 2024.

Speaker 3

Gross profit was $3,300,000 compared to $5,700,000 in Q3 2023 and $6,000,000 in Q4 2022. Gross margin was 7.6% compared to 40 0.8% in Q3 2023 and 23.3% in Q4 2022. The gross margin was lower than expected, primarily attributed to higher mix of EPC project revenue as well as the previously mentioned project delays. Operating expenses were 9,500,000 dollars lower than $9,600,000 in Q3 2023 and higher than $7,200,000 in Q4 2022. Our Q4 operating expenses were impacted by $5,000,000 of write offs of projects cancellations and bad debt reserves, partially offset by savings from our cost reduction initiatives.

Speaker 3

Net loss attributed to Ameren Group Ltd. Common shareholders was $8,100,000 compared to a net loss of $9,400,000 in Q3 2023 and a net loss of $1,700,000 in Q4 2022. Diluted net loss attributable to Ameren Group Ltd. Common shareholder per ADS was $0.15 compared to diluted net loss $0.17 in Q3, 2023 and diluted net loss of $0.03 in Q4, 2022. Turning to our cash flow.

Speaker 3

Cash provided by operating activity was 2,900,000 dollars Cash provided by investing activity was $7,000,000 and the cash used in financing activity was 7,900,000 dollars Cash and cash equivalent at end of Q4 2023 were $70,200,000 compared to 59,200,000 dollars in Q3 2023. So we still have a very strong balance sheet. Net asset value NAV is approximately $5.91 per ADS. Our debt to asset ratio at the end of Q4 2023 was 9.4 percent compared to 9.9% in Q3 2023. In terms of our share buyback program, we purchased approximately 3,400,000 ADS during the quarter and plan to continue to execute on the share buyback program, which has approximately $7,600,000 remaining in the authorization.

Speaker 3

In addition, in February 2024, we announced that our Board of Directors approved an accelerated stock repurchase, ASR program of up to $10,000,000 of which we have repurchased approximately $2,800,000 ADS as of March 27, 2024. This underscore our commitment to shareholder value and our optimism about our future prospects. Moving to our guidance, we expect 2024 full year revenue to be in the range of $150,000,000 to $160,000,000 We expect gross margin to be approximately 30% and the net income to be at least $26,000,000 or approximately $0.50 per ADS. We anticipate our 2024 IPP revenue to be between $24,000,000 to 26,000,000 and the gross margin to be approximately 50%. We also expect gross profit contribution by DSA globally to be at least 6,000,000 dollars For the first half twenty twenty four, we expect revenue to be in the range of $50,000,000 to 55,000,000 dollars We expect gross margin to be approximately 30%.

Speaker 3

Finally, we expect our operating cash flow to be positive throughout the full year of 2024 and the cash balance to be to exceed $100,000,000 at the end of 2024. With that, let's open our call for any questions. Operator, please go ahead.

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from Philip Shen with Roth Kompkins. You may proceed.

Speaker 4

Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. Hey, wanted to talk about the 2024 guidance. You guys missed last year and you're making adjustments to hit your goals for this year. One of them is this development service agreements. Can you give us a little bit more color on how that works?

Speaker 4

I know you're trying to collect revenue and payments earlier, but what leverage do you have to allow that to happen? And can you just describe the structure versus what you guys had been doing before? So just give us a little bit color on what you're doing differently? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you, Phil. So very good question. PSA has been the form of structure in Italy market when we acquired the company called Ameren back to a year and a half ago. And we had in the structure of the Italian operation about 7 to 8 different DSAs.

Speaker 2

And those DSAs partnership are allowing us to provide early stage project portfolios to the buyers based on development milestones. And the changes throughout the company is not only we execute continuously in Italy those development milestones based on development milestone based PSAs. For example, announced the almost a gigawatt of the DSA partnership with Matrix. But also we are implementing same DSA strategy throughout all regions, including other countries in Europe and U. S.

Speaker 2

The whole operation or execution of DSA has 3 big benefits to the company. Number 1, the DSA will allow us to recognize revenue for early stage projects based on milestones of so called in our company structure we have Tier 0 to Tier 4. Based on the advancement of the tiers, we will receive the milestone payments from the DSA partners. Those are non refundable payments and we can recognize the revenue and profit immediately based on the achievements of the milestones. And the second is that will balance our cash reserve as we will have received the cash based on the milestones.

Speaker 2

So the cash situation will be significantly improved in the company. The third, we can also very well balance our risk profile as we are now sharing the development risks with the buyer or DSA partner. So the although we are creating a very good BIMM situation, many parties are interested in partnering with us under the DSA structure. But we do know that to get to the VMM situation, we are offering a very favorable price at the DSA structure compared to the final NTP sale.

Speaker 4

Okay. So that's

Speaker 2

And also by the way, one more point is, we just guided that we will have minimum $6,000,000 gross profit from the DSAs. That $6,000,000 is under the current DSA structure. We have quite several DSA partnerships under negotiation. So that's why we say minimum $6,000,000 will be foreseen in the from the DSAs in 2024.

Speaker 4

Right. So you mean for you to get these benefits, that means your customer needs to get something as well. So I think I just heard you say that you charge them at a discount relative to what they would get at NTP. And so they don't have to pay as much by paying you guys earlier. Can you talk about what that discount is?

Speaker 4

Is it 5%, 15% or greater? Thanks.

Speaker 2

That's a very, very good question. From market to market, this discount will be different. But in general, the buyer or a DSA partner is benefiting from the DSA in 2 things. One is they are locking into the projects through the DSA. So they guaranteed they will have a portfolio they can work on at the NTPRTB stage.

Speaker 2

The second is they are also managing their risk profile, while we are leveraging the risk profile with them together, but they are also based on the milestone payments managing the risk profile. The third is talking about the discount in price. Instead of paying at the one time lump sum at the final NTP sale, Now they are paying in milestones. So they will get a discount. It's a pretty good discount as I see it.

Speaker 2

But more importantly, I would balance the 2 things together. 1 is the discount price, but also another one is a lock into a product portfolio. Especially in the sellers market, it's not easy to find quality projects in the market. And now the growth companies, especially the companies who are so eager to go into a market, they like those DSA structures so much.

Speaker 4

Okay. So do you expect to make other DSA announcements in the coming quarters?

Speaker 2

Yes, absolutely. In fact, last month just announced another actually early this month, we just announced another partnership on the independent storage portfolio with Glenmont, one of the largest private investor in Italy and more to come.

Speaker 4

And what's the magnitude sorry, what's the magnitude of the typical DSA partnership that you can imagine? I mean, are we talking about 100 megawatts? Are we talking about 500 megawatts or gigawatt level? Thanks.

Speaker 2

It's always we have a big target. For example, with Matrix, when we started DSA a little bit over a year ago, we were setting a target of 1.5 gigawatt of independent storage portfolio. And now we are reaching about 1 gigawatt. And so the team is confident that we'll put more than 500 megawatts into the matrix DSA structure in the next several months. And same thing with Glenmont, the target is a lot bigger than the ones we work on and the team is working actively to close more deals under the DIC structure with Glenmont in the next few weeks.

Speaker 4

Right. So this should smooth out your revenue and cash generation over time. So that's good. Shifting gears to a new topic, FERC in the U. S.

Speaker 4

Recently approved an order 2023, which could have meaningful positive impacts to the U. S. Pipeline, not just for you, but for U. S. Pipelines in general by weeding out a lot of projects that do not yet have site control in addition to penalizing develop actually penalizing the RTOs if they don't complete studies on time and forcing the RTOs to group studies together.

Speaker 4

I was wondering if you can comment on how you expect FERC order 2023 to impact your U. S. Pipeline? Could you lose some of your pipeline because you don't have site control? Or do you have site control on all your pipeline assets?

Speaker 4

And do you expect this to actually speed things up for you? Thanks.

Speaker 2

This is a very good point that the pharma company, our company, we embrace or we love this FERC rule for two reasons. One is not many companiesdevelopers have our healthy balance sheet. As we mentioned, we do have a strong balance sheet implementing our development strategy. The second is, our company does have a very tight control on the tier system we are working on. We use a very tight controlled tiered system to value the progress of our projects.

Speaker 2

And we implemented the tiered systems throughout the whole all regions in the U. S. And Europe. And we do not count any deal without site control even under the Tier 0. And Tier 0 is a typical pre early stage deal, not really in our 3 gigawatts or the one stage yet.

Speaker 2

Okay. So we feel so good when we see this new policy coming up and that will eliminate bunch of uncodified competitors, which who can use that irrational philosophy to compete in the market. Now we see it's a good thing is coming up.

Speaker 4

That's great. Okay. And last one.

Speaker 3

Phil, just want to add. When we list our pipeline in the U. S, advanced pipeline, almost 1.5 gigawatts, they're all Tier 1 above. So we have very good pipeline here.

Speaker 4

Very good to hear. Last question and then I'll pass it on. AI and data centers are driving a lot of demand. You highlighted that in your prepared remarks. Can you share what percentage of your U.

Speaker 4

S. Pipeline is going to serve maybe in the form of PPA you have a relationship with an AI or data center end market or customer? Thanks.

Speaker 2

We put a strategy internally evaluating the data centers and data center spots and looking at the possibilities to building up our selecting sites for solar especially storage assets around the data center need. Okay. I do not have a story to present at this time, but we are actively working on those very possible stories to support the AI operation in the future. Especially, we talk about the hybrid deals, which can provide the quality and reliable power supply to those AI operations. And that can become a big driver for our growth when we select new deals into our development pipeline.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you both. I'll pass it

Speaker 2

on. Thank you, Phil.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for questions. Our next question comes from Donovan Shafer with Northland Capital Markets. You may proceed.

Speaker 5

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. So first, I want to ask for the revenue range that you gave for the first half of twenty twenty four. If we just I want to talk just strictly about kind of the non IPP revenue because we can kind of estimate IPP revenue and maybe back that out or something. So when we talk about the first half of twenty twenty four revenue and again the non IPP part of that, how much of that is expected to come from the delayed projects that were supposed to happen be monetized in the second half of this year?

Speaker 2

Okay. Let me answer first and then pass to Ke for details. Number one is, as I mentioned, we have 6 projects delays for the closing from 2023 to 2024 and most of them will be pushed into first half or maybe I'm looking at one deal maybe pushed to the second half, okay? But the I will say the revenues in the first half other than IPP and the DSA, those are considered DSA and IPP are consistent revenue basis instead of a pending on a certain one closing of the sale. But the other, I will say, at least 3 or 4 closings expected mostly will be in Q2 this year accounted into this revenue.

Speaker 3

Yes, Dolby, about $6,000,000 to $8,000,000 is from delay of Q4 2023.

Speaker 5

Okay. All right. That's helpful. And then another question is, are you guys still planning on filing a 10 ks for 2023? Okay.

Speaker 5

And what's the timing on that? Is it a deadline at the end of this month or given your small cap and you're converting from being a foreign filer to 10 ks, do you have until this month or is it till the end of April?

Speaker 3

Right now it's end of the month.

Speaker 2

No, end of April.

Speaker 5

Yes, which one is it? So the end of April or the end of March is the deadline?

Speaker 2

End of April is most likely as the no, we are the first time becoming the local fighter. So we need to work with the auditor and also work on all 10 countries we covered in the product development and operation. So most likely we'll finish the filing of the 10 ks and 10 Q in April.

Speaker 5

Okay. Okay, that's helpful. And then I want to ask about the $4,100,000 revenue adjustment, the earn out adjustment on the 75 Megawatt Poland projects. I believe those projects are usually lower than like the rule of thumb of like $1 a megawatt. It's probably more like $0.60 or maybe even $0.60 $0.70 $0.80 a watt.

Speaker 5

But if we assume $1 a watt, then a $4,100,000 amount, that becomes 5 percentage points, sort of a reduction in margin by straight up 5 percentage points. And if it's $0.60 a watt, that becomes like a 9 percentage point reduction in gross margins. So I'm curious if you guys can talk maybe about what it is that caused that change? Like if I'm thinking about it the right way, why that revenue just why you didn't get that revenue? And if there are projects you still would have taken on or if this makes them the economics where you would not necessarily want to do these projects otherwise?

Speaker 2

The construction of the 75 Megawatt projects are in the normal look normal schedule. And in fact, about 1 third over 1 third of them has already reached COD. But this $4,100,000 write off is based on the earn out structure, which is which was designed based on the last especially last year's suddenly price surge in the market. And we were or we are benefiting from the price difference from the traditional PPA market compared to the surged priced merchant market. And we designed a structure we can share those additional revenue with the buyer.

Speaker 2

But the one thing that did not happen is that the surge did benefit the other merchant players, but our construction did not get too much sooner completion to enjoy such a to be recognized earn out. That is why the construction the finished projects for not enjoy that much of the run out we booked and now we have to write it off. You seem I don't know if you understand my explanation.

Speaker 5

I think I understand, yes. Okay. All right. Thank you, guys. Yes, I'll take the rest of my questions offline.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for questions. Our next question comes from Amit Dayal with H. C. Wainwright.

Operator

You may proceed.

Speaker 6

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. So, Ewan, with respect to some of the regulatory uncertainties you highlighted in your press release, you may have faced in 2023 in the U. S. And Europe.

Speaker 6

Can you give any examples of what some of these challenges were? And with respect to your outlook in 2024, are these issues resolved? How are you dealing with some of these challenges that may have been in place in 2020 3 from a project execution perspective?

Speaker 2

Yes. Some issues are resolved, some issues are still pending. I can give you a couple of very typical examples. One is, as you can see in our press release, we closed a deal of 29 megawatts in Spain, setting for Fotosol back to last year. And we expect to receive the approval by the end of last year, but did not the approval did not come.

Speaker 2

And based on the current policy at that time, we expect the deal will be closed in Q1 this year. But unfortunately, the government just in Q1 announced a new policy, which give the old administrative office a 14 month cycle to make approvals. Okay. So now we expect the deal will be closed anytime from now till end of the year, which is the end of the 14 months. That's why I mentioned earlier that one of the 6 deals we're supposed to close in 2023 will be most likely pushed into second half of this year.

Speaker 2

That I mean this deal. That is the 29 megawatts closing in Spain. The second one is that in Hungary, after experiencing the long delays of the first projects portfolio 53 megawatts as we announced earlier, We have another 52 megawatts in the sales process. And after the government of Hungary issue a right of first refusal language by the local National Asset Management Group, it's hard for us to secure any foreign buyers to buy this portfolio. So our solution is our local team is working with several local investors, which when we do this one, we don't need to have government approvals, although we have to go through the National Equity Asset Management or Asset Investment Corporation for the lawful right of refusal situation, but the situation will be a lot straightforward.

Speaker 2

So the although the process are the buyers pool get limited, but our quality projects are really good in the market. So people are still fighting to get those deals as even in the local market from the local buyers. So those are the 2 typical examples And similar things happen in other places that the in Italy, the same thing, very similar thing, the government administrative approvals delays. But in general, I see that the older delays happened last year. We experienced that.

Speaker 2

We learned from it. We now try to manage that in a more timely to manage all those processes. So, that is why we feel so confident to present the numbers we present today for the 2024 guidance.

Speaker 5

Got it. Thank you.

Speaker 6

Last question from me. With the balance sheet we have right now, dollars 113,000,000 in debt and $70,000,000 in cash, what level of revenues on an annual basis with this type of balance sheet? Can you what level of revenues can be generated with this balance sheet? If you execute exceptionally well? I know your guidance is for $150,000,000 to $160,000,000 But in a scenario where everything goes well for you, how much revenues can the company potentially generate with this balance sheet?

Speaker 6

Yes,

Speaker 3

Amit. First of all, let's look at our pipeline. Again, we have 3 over 3 gigawatt advanced solar pipeline, 5 gigawatt storage pipeline and we're talking about monetize every year 400 megawatts to 500 megawatts a year. So that's our target for 2024. That generated 150 $1,000,000 to $160,000,000 revenue.

Speaker 3

Going forward, our pipeline actually our focus mentioned we're going to focus on monetizing this pipeline. And going forward, this pipeline is maturing and we should monetize more year over year. So we do expect again 20 to 30 percent growth from here with this type of balance sheet.

Speaker 2

Adding couple of points on here, Amit, is that we mentioned DSA. We also mentioned IPP. In the future, we will also make those two numbers apparent or transparent to all our investors. As we said earlier, our IPP gross profit margin will be $24,000,000 to $26,000,000 And we expect our DSA contribution to the company will become more and more beyond $6,000,000 beyond 10,000,000 dollars And after we implemented the DIC strategy globally, this number will become the similar backbone to the company as an IPP. The goal for our company is we try to use our limited cash $70,000,000 or $100,000,000 to build up enough IPP, so to secure operating cash flow positive and full year profitability from the production revenue.

Speaker 2

And then DSA will be adding on top of it, plus our core business of the development and flip. And we see that we are guiding into the very healthy cycle at this time starting from 2024.

Speaker 6

So is this DSA

Speaker 4

MRN creation

Speaker 6

or is this something that is happening across the industry now?

Speaker 2

Yes and no. In fact, starting from 4 years ago, when Kula and I joined the company, we did not have much cash in our reserve. So we started our DSA model in the new market, especially in Europe. And now we have about 2 dozen different PSA partners in Europe and about 2 thirds of them are the ones we lock into the projects. So that means we through the DSAs acquiring or lock into the project portfolios and we are the buyer paying the milestones based on the milestones to the small developers.

Speaker 2

And 1 third of those DSA partners will go the other way. That is the one, as I mentioned, with the Matrix fiscal amount and all those are the ones we are supplying projects to the buyer. So it is a pretty typical exercise in the market, especially in Europe.

Speaker 6

Okay, understood. That's all I have guys. I'll take my other questions offline. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Amit.

Operator

Thank you. I'm not showing any further questions in the queue. I'd like to turn the conference back to Mr. Lu for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you, operator. In conclusion, the future of solar energy is extremely promising and we are positioned to fully capitalize on the accelerating adoption of the solar technology across the globe. With our exceptional expertise in developing and operating solar projects, extensive network of industry partnerships and strong financial position. We are making great strides towards our global our goal to become a top global renewable energy company.

Speaker 2

We are thrilled about the bright future of the solar energy and are excited to be at the forefront of this incredible transformation towards a more sustainable future. Thank you again for joining the call. You may now disconnect.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes the conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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