Surf Air Mobility Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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March 28, 2024

There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Surf Air 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Call. Please note that this call is being recorded. All participants are now in listen only mode. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. I will now turn the call over to Bill Margaritas.

Operator

You may begin your conference.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Welcome to Surf Air Mobility's 4th quarter 2023 and full year 2023 earnings call. I'm joined today by Stan Little, Surfer's CEO and Oliver Reeves, Surfair's CFO. Please note we released our Q4 2023 results this afternoon, which are available in filings with the SEC and on Surf Air's Investor page at investors. Surfair.com.

Speaker 1

Before we begin, I will remind everyone that during this call, we may discuss our outlook and future performance. These forward looking statements may be preceded by words such as we expect, we believe, we anticipate or similar such statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and our actual results could differ materially from the views expressed today. Some of the risks have been set forth in our earnings release and our periodic reports filed with the SEC. During today's call, we will also present both GAAP and non GAAP financial measures.

Speaker 1

Additional disclosures regarding non GAAP measures, including a reconciliation of GAAP to non GAAP measures are included in the earnings release we issued earlier today, which has been posted on the Relations page of Surf Air Mobility's website and in our filings with the SEC. With that, I'll turn the call over to Stan.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Bill, and thank you everyone for joining our call today. We are pleased with our overall performance in both the Q4 and the full year 2023. I'm grateful to our team for delivering financial results that met or beat our guidance. The company recorded $112,900,000 in revenue, up 12% year over year, beating our 2023 guidance and negative $50,900,000 in pro form a adjusted EBITDA, including investment in electrification and software, achieving our 2023 guidance. 2023 was a transformative year for Surfair Mobility as evidenced by our completion of 2 big milestones.

Speaker 2

Our direct listing on the New York Stock Exchange and the completion of our merger with Southern Airways. We're also pleased with the integration of Southern Airways and Surf Air. In just 7 months, we've made strides in defining the strategic path ahead, bringing on new talent and building key partnerships. We've also made steady progress in expanding our leading regional airline network, developing proprietary powertrain technology to electrify the Cessna Grand Caravan and advancing our AI driven software platform with the support of Palantir. Our aircraft as a service platform model will enable independent owner operators to join our platform where they will benefit from electrification technology, state of the art software and aircraft financing or a bundle of all 3.

Speaker 2

Over time, our aircraft as a service model will enable us to expand our operational ecosystem and grow our off fleet products. Our partnership with Palantir Technologies and continued investment in our software platform are core to these efforts and we intend to offer access to our software to operators prior to launching electric powertrains. The expansion of our network over time and our steadfast commitment to and investment in electrification should enable us to capture a meaningful portion of the emerging regional air mobility market. According to McKinsey and Company, by 2,035, the total global market for regional air mobility will be between $75,000,000,000 $115,000,000,000 for trips between 105 100 miles. We believe that electrification will have a transformative effect on the unit economics of regional flying as it will drive down direct operating costs considerably.

Speaker 2

According to Mackenzie, the emergence of regional air mobility will also create the need for financing and distribution and other software services that are not currently being offered at scale to this segment of the market. We plan to address these needs for ourselves and for 3rd parties through our software products and aircraft as a service offerings. We are pursuing these initiatives in partnership with some of the most sophisticated technology companies in the aviation space. Textron Aviation, one of the world's largest airplane manufacturers is providing us with new caravan aircraft under a preferential agreement. Palantir Technologies, a multibillion dollar software company that builds enterprise data platforms for organizations with highly complex and sensitive data needs is deeply involved in co developing state of the art software for our regional air mobility platform.

Speaker 2

The tools we've been developing with Palantir leverage AI to improve our operational efficiency, our customer experience and service levels and our back office intelligence across Surfair's 3 air travel brands. More specifically, as we continue to integrate our companies, Palantir has supported the aggregation of financial and sales data across multiple systems into a unified dashboard and reporting platform. We've been building a data warehouse of near real time flight information and aircraft positioning to facilitate more efficient operator outreach for our on demand charter fulfillment. We also designed a framework to help drive recommendations for potential new markets and route expansions. And finally, we are continuing development of an AI enhanced crew scheduling application that factors things like crew availability, maintenance schedules and compliance guidelines to enhance our decision making and improve the safety and efficiency of our flights.

Speaker 2

This work with Palantir has laid the foundation for our platform to be able to host and provide access to these tools for unlimited air operators beyond our own brands. We're also working with Aerotech, one of the most accomplished aerospace engineering firms in the world to develop the engineering specifications for our proprietary powertrain technology and to jointly work through the FAA certification process. These and other partnerships provide us with an even deeper bench, faster time to market and efficient R and D spend. Since our earnings call in November, we've announced several new key agreements to advance our growth plans and scope of services, including providing commuter air service between Williamsport, Pennsylvania and Washington, D. C.

Speaker 2

And bringing air service to Purdue University for the first time in over 20 years connecting their university with Chicago. These two new routes will be subsidized by local and private entities, including launch costs without the need of the Essential Air Service Program. They will provide crucial regional transportation and are the first of what we believe will be many new subsidized partnerships with other airports, cities and institutions. The SURF Air Purdue partnership is groundbreaking on several levels. In addition to connecting 1 of the world's premier aviation universities to U.

Speaker 2

S. And international air service connections with frequent daily flights, it will provide a major boost to businesses along the emerging I-sixty five tech and distribution corridor. One leading industry analyst has already dubbed this non federal subsidy program the Southern Airways effect. Purdue launches on May 15 and Williamsport on May 23. Agreements like those with Purdue and Williamsport are so important because while enplanements worldwide have already surpassed pre COVID levels and yields remain strong, major airlines and their regional jet partners are still phasing out 50 seat aircraft.

Speaker 2

They are shrinking operations in smaller regional markets, thereby limiting customer options, which leaves a void we can fill. Southern's business development leadership is actively engaged in identifying the best growth opportunities with minimal financial and resource risk. As a reminder, Surf Air provides 2 types of air services, scheduled and on demand charters. These businesses grew 11% 18%, respectively, in 2023 on a year over year pro form a basis. We recently integrated both Southern and mokelelele ticketing functionality on to surfair.com, which is an important step in integrating the brands.

Speaker 2

We encourage all of you to go to our websites and see the brand synergy. I'm pleased to report that we have made considerable progress in overcoming the recent supply chain challenges and aircraft groundings that impacted our service levels throughout the latter part of 2023 early 2024. Our maintenance teams have undertaken extensive efforts to work through supply chain challenges that have impacted the availability of parts over a prolonged period. And because of our unique pilot training program, we have cultivated a full roster of pilots to staff our bases. In 2024, we will continue to pursue synergistic opportunities between our scheduled and on demand charter networks, further modernizing and streamlining our operations as we grow the business.

Speaker 2

As part of our continuing efforts to upgrade the talent of our team, we've recently hired 2 aviation industry veterans. As new Deputy Head of Airline Operations, Louis Sainseur has had a successful career with both Hawaiian Airlines and WestJet. Louis will oversee things like fuel purchasing arrangements, ground handling and crew travel and accommodation costs, always with an eye on cost efficiencies. Additionally, he is introducing a new crew rostering platform designed by Palantir to drive efficiencies in how we optimally pair crews with a goal of reducing total crew numbers required. Louie also has an extensive history in customer experience and will be highly focused on optimizing our customer satisfaction scores.

Speaker 2

We've also hired a new Director of Maintenance for Southern Airways, Thomas Andino, who brings over 30 years of experience in aircraft maintenance, including overseeing maintenance programs at both Virgin America and Spirit Airlines. Tommy has many years of knowledge of both the Cessna Caravan and the Pilatus PC-twelve as well. We were thrilled to have found this combination of big airline and small airplane experience when we found Tommy. We are highly confident that the combined leadership and deep experience that Louis and Tommy bring to the company will help elevate the overall performance and reliability of our airline operations going forward. Additionally, we have expanded our technology team to include new experts with deep experience across consumer, transportation and logistics, marketplace and distribution.

Speaker 2

Working closely with our partner Palantir, this team will lead the software development SURF Air's consumer technology and air operations, while building the tools for 3rd party operators as part of our aircraft as a service offering. We are making solid progress with our electrification initiative along with our lead partner, AeroTech, and are currently in the latter half of our conceptual design phase. That means we're in the final stages of vendor selection for key components, including battery and electric motor suppliers. Additionally, we're working with the Caravan's avionics manufacturer, Garmin, to integrate the powertrain with the aircraft displays. Our exclusive relationship with Textron is a real competitive advantage as it enables us to work more closely with Garmin and other key vendors on these critical components.

Speaker 2

Alongside the supplier selection work, our design of the powertrain's integration to the aircraft is progressing well. We intend to electrify our existing fleet using fully electric and hybrid electric powertrain technology once it's fully designed, developed and certified. Due to the timing of availability for the optimal components for our powertrain, we believe we will obtain STC certification of the fully electric powertrain by early 2027 and for the hybrid electric powertrain sometime thereafter. Given this timeline, we remain confident that we can still be the 1st to market with an electric commercial regional passenger aircraft. To further this goal, we've made great progress signing up new customers for our proprietary powertrains and have signed MOUs with several new partners in Africa, including Safarilink, Yellow Wings, Orec Air Services and Z boskovic, all Cessna Caravan operators to upgrade their aircraft with our electric powertrains.

Speaker 2

These providers are looking to Surf Air to substantially lower the carbon emissions of their Caravan fleet, reduce operating costs and deliver on their mission of protecting Africa's natural ecosystem and wildlife. These MOUs represent 13% of the total Caravan fleet flying on the entire African continent. So if you recall from our Q2 earnings release last year, we offered long term guidance that 10% to 15% of the caravan market would be electrified or in contract to be electrified. We believe these early successes demonstrate progress toward those goals. To enhance our platform offerings, Surf Air also entered into an LOI with Electra Aircraft to commercialize their electric planes once certified.

Speaker 2

We will jointly develop a leasing partnership to enable new operators to expand access to regional transportation and we will collaborate on fleet wide data analytics services to provide real time aircraft information on Surfair's network. We have also secured preferred delivery positions for 90 Electra E STAL, that is electric short takeoff and landing aircraft that will be available to us or our operator partners. Before I turn the call over to our new CFO, Oliver, I want to thank all our team members across the company who make our customers' journeys exceptional today while working to transform regional flying through electrification tomorrow. Their hard work is paying off and I'm grateful to them. Now I'll turn things over to Oliver.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Stan, and thanks to you all for joining us on the call today. As Stan mentioned, we are pleased with our financial performance with revenue beating and pro form a adjusted EBITDA meeting 2023 guidance. I began my role at Surf Air Mobility this January. I joined the company because I'm excited about the growth and profitability potential of the nascent regional air mobility market, the transformative potential and positive environmental impact of our electric claims and the related technological advances we are planning to bring to the market over time alongside our partners such as Palantir. My background is in finance, enterprise software and insurance.

Speaker 3

I joined Zestia because of the company's transformative vision as well as the caliber of the team. I would like now to thank this team for its warm welcome, and I'm excited to roll up my sleeves as we continue to fine tune our strategy. Now let me turn to the numbers. On a GAAP basis, the company reported 4th quarter revenue of $26,800,000 and full year revenue of $60,500,000 On an unaudited pro form a basis, which assumes that Southern acquisition closed as of the beginning of fiscal year 2023, the company reported $27,400,000 of revenue in the 4th quarter, flat year over year and $112,900,000 of revenue for the full year, up 12% year over year. Our on demand platform, which includes both FareFair and Southern's charter businesses, continues to be a key source of growth with revenue up 18% and departures up 36%, all on a pro form a year over year basis.

Speaker 3

We are continuing to see very positive trends here exiting Q1, and we will update you further on our next call. Pro form a adjusted EBITDA, which assumes that the Southern acquisition closed as of January 1, 2023, was negative $18,400,000 for the 4th quarter as compared to negative $12,600,000 for the same period last year and a negative $50,900,000 for the full year. While we continue to invest in growth, our path to electrification is capital efficient and derisk when compared to our competitors. This is because we have chosen to electrify an aircraft with an existing SDC rather than pursue a clean sheet design. We have taken an impairment of the goodwill recorded in the Southern acquisition based on our interpretation of the applicable accounting standards, which require a point in time determination of fair value, which affords little credit to the benefits of our electrification and software initiatives.

Speaker 3

Given the operational challenges faced by the Southern Business Unit, particularly in the Q4 and declines in our share price and market capitalization in the Q4, our objective projections for the operations of Southern indicated an impairment in Q4 2023 leading to the charge. This impairment is not a referendum on the business, nor will it alter our commitment and efforts in executing our core strategy for Southern, network expansion, re fleeting, software driven margin improvements and electrification. Turning to liquidity. As of December 31, 2023, First Air Mobility had $1,700,000 of cash on hand with the ability to draw $92,500,000 in committed draws and $297,300,000 in follow on draws from the GEM share subscription facility. As previously mentioned, we amended the facility in the Q3 of 2023 to give us more flexibility in the amounts and timing of equity sales to match our capital needs.

Speaker 3

This flexibility will help us more effectively manage dilution as we execute our business plan. Our cash on hand reflects the balancing of our working capital needs with the dilution of GEM cash advances. In aggregate, the GEM facility should provide adequate capital to finance our investment in network growth, software development and electrification over the short to medium term. With that said, we will be strategic with regard to our capital needs, including a continuous search for ways to optimize our capital structure, lower our cost of capital and enhance shareholder value. As part of our overall reconfiguration of our planning, we look ahead to the delivery of our first new Som aircraft.

Speaker 3

We are now expecting delivery of 8 aircraft in total in Q3 and Q4 instead of our original expectation of 11 across the year. The delay is due to an issue with customs self air specifications that we had ordered from Textron. As a reminder, we intend to use our 4 $50,000,000 leasing facility we have in place with Jetstream, the largest aircraft leasing company in the U. S. For regional turboprop aircraft to finance our fleet.

Speaker 3

In terms of other uses of capital, our priorities include technology to advance the certification of our electrified powertrain, investment in our core direct to consumer passenger booking platform, development of aircraft as a service software for operators in conjunction with Palantir and working capital to support growing the existing airline network. Our Q1 2024 guidance is revenue in the range of $28,500,000 to $29,500,000 pro form a adjusted EBITDA in the range of negative $17,000,000 to negative $14,000,000 which excludes the expected impact of stock based compensation and other non recurring items. Looking ahead in 2024, we are firmly committed to balancing growth and profitability, expense reduction and disciplined capital allocation focused on high ROI opportunities, including potential route expansions. As I close this call, I would like to formally invite anyone interested in a deeper dive into our business to join us for Surf Air's Investor Day on June 7 at the New York Stock Exchange. This event will be accessible virtually and a replay will be available on our website.

Speaker 3

As part of our Investor Day, we will be providing a comprehensive strategic update on the business in addition to providing full year 2024 guidance. A press release with further details will be issued closer to the date and we hope to see many of you there. With that, operator, we will take Q and A.

Operator

Thank you. Your first question comes from Austin Moeller with Canaccord. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, good afternoon. Just my first question here. So what Tier 1 routes do you view as being critical to getting closer to profitability breakeven over the next year or so as you roll out additional routes?

Speaker 2

Well, this is Stan. Austin, good to hear from you. To answer that question, we have changed a bit of our strategic thinking over the last 6 months, not as of not visavis new routes versus not new routes, but visavis which ones are we willing to take on 1st based on the level of risk. If you recall, I talked at Investor Day about how new routes, even the Tier 1 routes, can take anywhere from 6 to 12 months to achieve profitability. What we discovered in the meantime is there are a lot of routes that can be profitable with 0 days of lead time through subsidies or minimum revenue guarantees.

Speaker 2

So once we got the deal in place with Purdue and then following that one with Williamsport, we discovered that in this near term as we're truly focused on profitability as our top goal for the company, we should proceed with these subsidized and MRG routes before we go into even the really good Tier 1 routes that still require some time to mature. So I believe that there are I'm not prepared to announce any today, but I believe that there are more routes out there similar to the Purdue and Williamsport routes and that's what we'll be looking at for the remainder of this year. And then as we announce other market based flying for 2025, I'm not prepared to give cities right now, but I will say when we do it, we're going to do it with scale. So you're not going to see us go to 2 routes on the East Coast and 3 routes on the West Coast and 1 in the Pacific Northwest. We're going to really build out footprints following that.

Speaker 4

Great. And just a follow-up, I think we already touched on this in the remarks, but I guess route expansion and continued development of the powertrains, the JEM advances should be sufficient to provide enough cash for that?

Speaker 2

Yes. We've not wavered in our position that the JEM facility is adequate for us to execute the business plan. We still believe that to be the case. That being said, one of Oliver's great strengths is capital markets and certainly one of the things he's looking at and working hard on every day is additional sources of capital, not alternative sources, but additional sources of capital. So we'll be able to do additional things when he is successful in those areas, but the JEM facility is adequate we believe to fund the business plan as it now exists.

Speaker 4

Excellent. Thanks for the details.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Ben Johnson with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi there. Ben Johnson on

Speaker 5

for Alex Potter. I guess I

Speaker 6

have 2 for you. Previously, I think you mentioned that you expected FCC certification in '25 to 'twenty six. I guess what's causing the updated expectation of early 2027 now? And then secondly, once you do receive the certification, how quickly do you expect you're able to convert all of your planes to hybrid or electric powertrains? And at what time do you expect to be able to purchase purpose built planes from Textron and no longer have to retrofit them?

Speaker 2

Excellent questions, Ben. Good to hear from you as well. First of all, I do have Ito Grubarger in the room with us today and he's I'm sure will want to add something to my comments here at the end. But as we get to the end of the conceptual STC. And what we've discovered is that not only do we have to sort of we didn't discover this, we've known this all along, but what has come to light is many of the best of those components are not yet certified.

Speaker 2

So we have to do the certification timeline of the supplier and then allow time for the certification of our own STC. So what this is going to mean actually is that it's going to be a better product in 2027 when it comes out because we'll be able to use the exact motor that we want and the exact battery that we want. So a little bit of a delay there from what we were looking at before, but I don't think anything considerable and I think that it will be a better product once we get out once we get it out. Then as to the rollout of our of the conversion of the fleet, it's really too early for us to opine at this time how quickly we're going to be able to do the conversions and part of it will be on a case by case with the motors. Certainly, we're going to want to convert the engines that are up for overhaul anyway.

Speaker 2

As you know, the whole plan for this is that the cost of doing the transition will be very similar to the cost of doing the overhaul. So the last thing frankly that we want to do is take a freshly overhauled engine, pull it out of service and then immediately replace it with electric. So there's going to be a lot of work for our team in determining the order and the timing of making those conversions. But we do believe we'll be able to do them simultaneously across multiple conversion sites being that we have 5 heavy maintenance centers across the country. Let me hand it over to Ito for any further comments on both of these as well as whether or not he may want to put any kind of timeline on the Textron question?

Speaker 7

Hello, everyone. The only thing I'd add is the initial STC will be applied even to new aircraft as they're rolling off the line if you have a customer that's bought from Texan directly a Q1 powered Caravan EX, that SCC will be initially applied after the aircraft has been constructed, right? So it would have been rolling off the line as a Caravan EX rolling into a hangar next door and having the SCC applied to it. That's the initial state. The next state of that and part of what we're doing is in our relationship with Textron and the coordination of the STC development with Textron as we're holding hands with them so that this phase is short as possible.

Speaker 7

But that next phase will be them ingesting our STC into the TC and making it what was called in the industry aligned fit. So you apply the STC as if it were part of the TC. And that could happen as early as 6 months after we have the STC and that really depends how good a job we do at the coordination of that.

Speaker 2

And that would be a Textron decision and a Textron issue not internal to Surfer, just to clarify. Did that answer your question, Ben? Or did you have anything else?

Speaker 6

No, that's great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from David Vernon with Bernstein. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good afternoon guys and Stan thanks for the overview. A couple of questions for you. First, is there a comp for the $29,000,000 in 1Q revenue that you expect? And is there a way to think about whether the top line in 2024 is growth rate anyway is better or worse than the 12% you realized on an adjusted basis in So you didn't

Speaker 2

come in very well. Would you just mind repeating the question? I'm sorry.

Speaker 3

So you didn't come in very well. Would you just mind repeating the question?

Speaker 5

Absolutely. So the $29,000,000 in revenue you're expecting for 1Q, is there a comp for that number? Like what's the growth rate on a year over year basis for the 1Q sort of like for like? And I'm just trying to get a sense for whether you think 2024 is setting up to be better or worse than the 12% adjusted revenue growth rate realized in 2023?

Speaker 3

So to answer your first question, the our guidance does imply some growth top line. I don't think we've particularly guided to the number, but somewhat similar to what you saw for the full year. And with regard to your second question, we haven't really I think what I would do is I would invite you to our Analyst Day, where we'll be far more prepared to answer that question for you. We have a lot to offer there and I think that that would be a good use of time. We can get back to

Speaker 5

you, David,

Speaker 2

on the issue of the comp question.

Speaker 6

Let us

Speaker 2

get back to you on that one.

Speaker 5

Yes. So Stan, maybe just As you can

Speaker 2

imagine, Oliver wasn't here this time last year and is just getting settled in. So we will get back. Sorry to interrupt you. What's your follow-up?

Speaker 5

Yes. No, look, the comps with the merger and everything, it's foggy. So I'm just trying to get a sense for exit versus entry rate rates of growth. So second question would be around, you mentioned in your prepared remarks that some

Speaker 2

of the work you're doing on

Speaker 5

the software side is actually going to become commercializable before you are getting certification for the electric powertrains. Can you talk a little bit about what you might be able to do to further sort of stimulate the top line outside of just traditional route expansion on the software side and whether that can be meaningful ahead of electrification? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes, absolutely. And that's a great question. I was talking about it this morning at our insurance Underwriters Summit here in Palm Beach. We're always looking for a way to increase revenue without burning a single gallon of jet fuel. And because we're an electrification company, someday we're going to make most of our revenue by not burning a single gallon of jet fuel.

Speaker 2

But in the meantime, it's from these ancillary sources. And one of the ones I'm most excited about is the software package. So, right now we are actually beta testing on the Southern Airways side, on the operational side, the crew scheduling AI unit. And it's really remarkable what we can do right now with AI. The AI scans emails and can detect when if it detects a sick call on an email, it's already looking for a replacement crew before a human being has even realized that a sick call has occurred.

Speaker 2

Tons of things like that, especially when you tie in the maintenance side of it and the regulatory side of it, that we're going to really be able to take the human element and the human error rate out of this. And I think that's something that we're going to be able to market to other airlines with a recurring revenue component every single month. They're paying for the license for this software. There's also the distribution element that comes with it. I was speaking at a conference down in Panama City, Panama for operators in the Americas 3 or 4 weeks ago.

Speaker 2

And I talked to several small operators that are looking for the ability to get their tickets distributed outside of just their own website. So they say, how can you get us on KAYAK and Google Flights and Expedia? And can you potentially get us if we're going to do a connection with 1 of your interline partners, Can you get us on to their website? And the answer is yes and for a fee. So that's another part of the software package that we're working on.

Speaker 2

And then of course the airline as a service, which is the leasing arm of what we're going to do and would come with much of the software. The goal is to have a menu that you can basically tick down the menu and say, we can supply you with everything from the airplane, the ticket distribution, the software required to run your finances, the software required to run your operations, the software required to maintain compliance with FAA regs. You pick and choose what you need and we'll set you up with something that provides that recurring revenue to serve air mobility.

Speaker 5

All right. Thank you for that. And I guess, as you're thinking about putting together your Investor Day extent that you can help us understand what that addressable market is on the software spend side, outside of the leasing and the electrification part of it, which is a little bit more tangible. It's sometimes hard and difficult from the outside looking in at this part of the industry to really understand kind of how much money is spent on this stuff today. So anything you can do to help us flush that out would be really helpful as we look ahead.

Speaker 2

Absolutely. We'll make a note of that and make sure that we address that at Investor Day. And I understand the importance of that to you guys because the software income is going to likely be the first of the new ancillary income that comes in. That will happen of course before electrification. It will also happen before the aircraft as a service is launched as well.

Speaker 2

So we need to be able to get you what you need to be able to model that.

Speaker 5

All right. Thank you. Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from Ravi Shanker with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, guys. Good afternoon. This is Catherine on for Ravi. Thank you for taking the question. I just had a quick question on premium, which has been a big move a lot of airlines have been pushing towards recently.

Speaker 8

So just curious if you guys would consider yourself a premium product or if there's anything more you can do on that front? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. What an interesting question. Glad to hear from you, Catherine. Yes, we absolutely consider ourselves both a premium product but also an egalitarian product because there is something there for just about everybody. If you want to fly if you're accustomed to flying 1st class and you're accustomed to spending $700 or $800 on a seat on one of the legacy carriers, we can be price competitive and give you just give you a better product in most cases in some of the cities between that we fly between.

Speaker 2

But then again, we also put 400,000 people a year on scheduled service routes for tickets that are under $200 So, I think it's a combination of both. Certainly, it's depending on what your priority is. If you're looking for a hot meal on your flight, you're not going to get that on Surf Air Mobility, but going to get you to your destination and get you to your favorite restaurant a heck of a lot faster than if you go through the airport experience at LaGuardia. Anything else, Catherine?

Speaker 8

That's it. Thank you. Thanks.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. This will conclude today's conference. Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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