Semler Scientific Q4 2023 Earnings Report $35.16 +3.19 (+9.98%) Closing price 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$35.69 +0.53 (+1.51%) As of 05:50 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Semler Scientific EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.55Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ASemler Scientific Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$15.06 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ASemler Scientific Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date3/5/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, March 5, 2024Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsSemler Scientific's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 5, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistorySMLR ProfilePowered by Semler Scientific Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMarch 5, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 4 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, and welcome to the Semler Scientific 2023 4th Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. Before we begin, Semler Scientific needs to remind you that certain comments made during this call may constitute forward looking statements and are made pursuant to and within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 as amended. These include statements regarding the expectations for expansion of the business and the development of marketing and additional products, including receipt and timing of an additional 5.10 clearance for QuantaFlo, an investment in emerging growth opportunities. Operator00:01:17Such forward looking statements are subject to both known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. Those risks and uncertainties are described in the press release and our SEC filings. The forward looking statements made today are as of the date of this call, and the company does not undertake any obligation to update the forward looking statements. If you do have a copy of today's release, you may obtain one by visiting the Investor Relations page of the website semlerscientific.com. I would now like to turn the conference over to Doug Murphy Katorian, CEO of Semler Scientific. Operator00:02:04Please go ahead. Speaker 100:02:06Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our Q4 and full year 2023 Olinburg results call. Year over year, we continue to achieve annual revenue and earnings growth. Now I'm free to introduce our CFO, Rene Cormer, who will provide you with further details. Renee? Speaker 200:02:35Thank you, Doug. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for being part of today's conference call. Today, I'll be presenting an overview of our Q4 2023 financial results and discussing recent corporate development. Jennifer Oliva Harrington, who leads our marketing, sales and related operations, will be providing information about our market developments and opportunities. Following our remarks, Doug, Jennifer and I will be available to address any questions you may have. Speaker 200:03:07I'm excited to announce continued growth in revenues and earnings in the Q4 2023. This achievement is a testament to the hard work of our team as well as the ongoing support of our customers who continue to recognize the clinical benefit and value of our technology. Now for the details of our 4th quarter results. Total revenues in Q4 2023 were $15,100,000 an increase of 9% compared to the Q4 of 2022. Our revenues continued to be driven by continued sales of QuantaFlo to existing and new customers to test for peripheral arterial disease or PAD. Speaker 200:03:53We believe the promising results that were published in 2 large independently conducted peer reviewed studies by QuantaFlo customers in 2022 are having an impact. These studies underscore the importance of identifying asymptomatic PAD patients, enabling the implementation of preventative measures. Fixed fee revenues were $8,800,000 a decrease of 2% year over year. We saw end of 2023 cleanup of underutilized units by some customers resulting in a decline. We see continued interest in our products from existing customers as well as new customers such as hospitals, value based care providers and major pharmaceutical and retailer markets. Speaker 200:04:42Variable B revenues were $5,800,000 an increase of 28% year over year. We continue to see strong demand from our home risk assessment customers using QuantiPro for PAD during in home examination. Equipment and other revenues were $500,000 an increase of 71% year over year. Equipment revenues remained strong versus historical levels because the majority of equipment sales are for variable fee customers, we believe it is the time of future potential growth in the fee for test market. In the Q4 2023, our 3 largest customers, including their related affiliates, comprised 37%, 32% and 11% of quarterly revenue. Speaker 200:05:33Operating expenses in Q4 2023, which includes cost of revenue, were $12,500,000 an increase of 23% year over year. Our Q4 2023 results included $2,500,000 write offs in cost of revenues in the Insulin Insights prepaid licenses and also a $600,000 impairment of Nelatase investments in other income. While we've continued to market Insulin Insights because we believe in its clinical benefits for diabetic patients, our marketing efforts over the past 3 years have not yielded significant results to date. As a percentage of revenues, operating expenses increased to 83% compared to 74% in 2022, due primarily to the write off. Pre tax income was $2,800,000 compared to $4,000,000 in the prior year. Speaker 200:06:32Net income was $4,200,000 or $0.62 per basic share and $0.55 per fully diluted share compared to $3,200,000 or $0.48 per basic share and $0.41 per fully diluted share in 2022. We had cash, cash equivalents and short term investments at December 31, 2023, of $57,300,000 Now I'd like to turn the call over to Jennifer to provide a more in-depth discussion of our market developments and opportunities. Thank you, Renee. As I look into the future, I'm excited about Semler's potential to support the identification of chronic diseases by our customers, which is a large burden on our healthcare system. Cardiovascular disease is the number one cause to the healthcare system, as well as the number one cause of death worldwide, which makes early detection of chronic cardiac conditions so critical. Speaker 200:07:51In January, we announced we are seeking a new 510 clearance from the FDA to broaden the labeling for QuantaFlo, extending its application to include aiding in the diagnosis of other cardiovascular diseases. We aim to receive clearance with this expanded label in the second half of twenty twenty four. Upon achieving this milestone, our focus will shift towards effectively upselling our existing customer base with this enhanced offering. In the interim, we remain dedicated to the promotion and sales of QuantaFlo as a valuable aid in the diagnosis of PAD. This proactive approach ensures that we continue providing our customers with a trusted solution while positioning ourselves for future success in the broader cardiovascular diagnostic market. Speaker 200:08:41By supporting early diagnosis of peripheral arterial disease, we are hopeful that healthcare providers will initiate preventative management of chronic cardiovascular disease. We believe that this proactive approach may save lives and also lower healthcare expenditures. As we set our sights on the future, we envision a healthcare landscape where our technology plays a pivotal role in shaping healthier outcomes for patients, while delivering substantial economic benefits to our customers. Our sales and marketing goals are to further establish Quattiflo for PAD as a standard of care given the proven clinical benefits of early diagnosis and preventative treatment and to diversify our customer base by adding medical centers, additional value based care providers, penetrating deeper into the VA system and growing the self insured employer, pharmaceutical and retail markets. And now Renee will give our concluding remarks. Speaker 200:09:37Renee? To achieve this plan, we are reinvesting in emerging growth opportunities with a focus on expanding our customer base for POD. We believe that these opportunities hold promise and represent an exciting aspect of our company's future. Additionally, our commitment to research and development remains amazing as we prioritize the enhancement of existing products and data services to stay in the forefront of innovation and consistently deliver cutting edge solutions to our customers. Our long term vision includes extending our reach to encompass additional cardiovascular applications, reflecting our dedication to continuous expansion. Speaker 200:10:21A key strength of our technology lies in its portability and accessibility, allowing us to actively contribute to addressing health and equity prevalent in cardiovascular disease. By providing tools that can be utilized in diverse settings, we play a role in breaking down barriers, ensuring that more individuals have access to early detection and intervention. As part of our growth strategy, we are exploring inorganic growth initiatives to further diversify our product portfolio. Through strategic partnerships and exploring new opportunities, we aim to broaden our impact on the market and expand our offering. We extend our gratitude for your interest in our company and appreciate your continued support as we embark on this journey of innovation. Speaker 200:11:09Now, operator, if you could please open the line, Doug, Jen and I will be happy to address your questions. Operator00:11:46Our first question comes from Brooks O'Neil with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:11:55Thank you very much. Good afternoon, everyone. Appreciate all the prepared remarks. I guess I'll start off by just asking, it looks to me like the $2,500,000 write off of the Insulin Insights investment may have obscured to some extent the benefit of the 30% expense reductions you're targeting for the company. Can you just give us a quick update on whether you were successful in taking the 30% expenses out of your expense base this year? Speaker 200:12:34Sure. So you're right. It does obscure the numbers there. And the $2,500,000 write off is in cost of revenues. And there are some noise between Q3 and Q4 between when we had some expenses or reversals and the Q4 expenses. Speaker 200:13:00So we were able to take out these expenses, and you should see that more clearly going forward as we won't have these onetime items. Speaker 300:13:11Okay, good. And then just thinking about the business and the report, the fixed license fee is pretty flat this quarter. Would you say, as I think you've mentioned in your prepared remarks, some cleanup from customers, but how would you evaluate the demand environment for the 60 side of the business, obviously, in light of the changes to the CMS risk methodology? Speaker 200:13:47Sure. So we are in constant contact with our customers, and we've had reaction from customers that have been mixed. So as you saw, we aren't giving guidance for 2024. So we do believe that the motivation to do testing is still there, although that's for some customers as the phasing in with that CMS decision that you referred to. So we do continue to expand our market with customers that are not dependent on Medicare Advantage. Speaker 200:14:19And going into 2024, we will remain nimble and adjust according to market conditions. Speaker 300:14:29So I mean, just trying to follow-up on this a little bit, Renee. You would say right this minute, you're not seeing much in the way of new interest from MA plan sponsors and there could be some softening of demand from existing customers in that arena. Is that a fair way to characterize it? Speaker 200:14:55I don't know that I would go into that specific detail. But when we're looking at expanding our market, we are looking to expand outside the Medicare Advantage space. So in the other spaces that we've talked about before, like the hospital system, retail pharmaceutical markets and then also delegated medical groups. Okay. Speaker 300:15:24And would you say I'm just trying to think this through quickly on the fly. I've always had a sense one of the appeals of the MA market is that you didn't need to get any kind of a specific reimbursement decision from the payers to reimburse doctors for providing the test. Do you see in the future a need or opportunity to pursue what I might call a more traditional route to revenue generation reimbursement for your service, your test? Speaker 200:16:06Right. So not at this time. And some of these markets that we're going after are more on the value based care side. And so looking at the perspective of identifying these patients early to put preventative measures in place ahead of time of major events that can be very costly. Speaker 300:16:27Sure. That makes all the sense in the world. Okay. Let me switch gears for a second and just obviously, you commented about the 510 submission for heart dysfunction. One of the things that I think I recall from your press releases talking about the decision to submit a new 510 is sort of the opportunity to be more clear about the conditions that QuantaFlo can test for. Speaker 300:17:00Have you been able to achieve any clarity either in your own minds or in conversation with the FDA about the kinds of tests, cardiovascular tests that quantiflo might work for? Speaker 200:17:15We have. And so what we talked about at this time is we're just broadly classifying it as cardiovascular diseases. And as we progress into the second half, we hope to have this 510 clearance at that time. And then we will be able to talk in more detail about what it's specifically cleared for. Speaker 300:17:39Okay. That makes sense to me. And maybe I'll just ask you one broad one. I'm just curious, I know you're in a unique position as you interact with the MA plan sponsors out there. And frankly, as you mentioned, the value based care providers, How would you say people are evaluating the changes the government has put in place for the risk model for MA reimbursement? Speaker 300:18:08Is it changing people's behavior in a substantial way? Are the changes more tweaks to the basic methodology? How do you read it right now? Speaker 200:18:20Sure. So it's hard to classify it as one particular thing because we are getting different reactions from different customers. And as you saw in 2023, we did have record revenues for the year. So as the year progressed, we still continue to see testing from our customers, both the existing customers and new customers. So as we work through 2024, again, we're going to adjust according to market conditions. Speaker 200:18:52But there aren't really clear reactions from customers as they have been mixed. Okay. I'll leave it at that. Thanks for taking my questions. Great. Speaker 200:19:04Thanks so much. Operator00:19:07This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Renee Cormier for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:19:16Thank you, Dave. As we wrap up this conference call, we want to emphasize our ongoing commitment to delivering clinical benefits through earlier diagnosis of chronic cardiovascular conditions. The continued recognition of the value of this approach by our customers underscores the crucial role our technology plays for patients, physicians, facilities and payers in an evolving healthcare landscape. Moving forward, our primary objective remains steadfast to preserve and strengthen our current revenue opportunities and profitability within the chronic disease space with a focus on cardiovascular diseases. We appreciate your participation in today's discussion and thank you for your ongoing support. Speaker 200:20:01Goodbye. Operator00:20:05The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. 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There are 4 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, and welcome to the Semler Scientific 2023 4th Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. Before we begin, Semler Scientific needs to remind you that certain comments made during this call may constitute forward looking statements and are made pursuant to and within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 as amended. These include statements regarding the expectations for expansion of the business and the development of marketing and additional products, including receipt and timing of an additional 5.10 clearance for QuantaFlo, an investment in emerging growth opportunities. Operator00:01:17Such forward looking statements are subject to both known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. Those risks and uncertainties are described in the press release and our SEC filings. The forward looking statements made today are as of the date of this call, and the company does not undertake any obligation to update the forward looking statements. If you do have a copy of today's release, you may obtain one by visiting the Investor Relations page of the website semlerscientific.com. I would now like to turn the conference over to Doug Murphy Katorian, CEO of Semler Scientific. Operator00:02:04Please go ahead. Speaker 100:02:06Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our Q4 and full year 2023 Olinburg results call. Year over year, we continue to achieve annual revenue and earnings growth. Now I'm free to introduce our CFO, Rene Cormer, who will provide you with further details. Renee? Speaker 200:02:35Thank you, Doug. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for being part of today's conference call. Today, I'll be presenting an overview of our Q4 2023 financial results and discussing recent corporate development. Jennifer Oliva Harrington, who leads our marketing, sales and related operations, will be providing information about our market developments and opportunities. Following our remarks, Doug, Jennifer and I will be available to address any questions you may have. Speaker 200:03:07I'm excited to announce continued growth in revenues and earnings in the Q4 2023. This achievement is a testament to the hard work of our team as well as the ongoing support of our customers who continue to recognize the clinical benefit and value of our technology. Now for the details of our 4th quarter results. Total revenues in Q4 2023 were $15,100,000 an increase of 9% compared to the Q4 of 2022. Our revenues continued to be driven by continued sales of QuantaFlo to existing and new customers to test for peripheral arterial disease or PAD. Speaker 200:03:53We believe the promising results that were published in 2 large independently conducted peer reviewed studies by QuantaFlo customers in 2022 are having an impact. These studies underscore the importance of identifying asymptomatic PAD patients, enabling the implementation of preventative measures. Fixed fee revenues were $8,800,000 a decrease of 2% year over year. We saw end of 2023 cleanup of underutilized units by some customers resulting in a decline. We see continued interest in our products from existing customers as well as new customers such as hospitals, value based care providers and major pharmaceutical and retailer markets. Speaker 200:04:42Variable B revenues were $5,800,000 an increase of 28% year over year. We continue to see strong demand from our home risk assessment customers using QuantiPro for PAD during in home examination. Equipment and other revenues were $500,000 an increase of 71% year over year. Equipment revenues remained strong versus historical levels because the majority of equipment sales are for variable fee customers, we believe it is the time of future potential growth in the fee for test market. In the Q4 2023, our 3 largest customers, including their related affiliates, comprised 37%, 32% and 11% of quarterly revenue. Speaker 200:05:33Operating expenses in Q4 2023, which includes cost of revenue, were $12,500,000 an increase of 23% year over year. Our Q4 2023 results included $2,500,000 write offs in cost of revenues in the Insulin Insights prepaid licenses and also a $600,000 impairment of Nelatase investments in other income. While we've continued to market Insulin Insights because we believe in its clinical benefits for diabetic patients, our marketing efforts over the past 3 years have not yielded significant results to date. As a percentage of revenues, operating expenses increased to 83% compared to 74% in 2022, due primarily to the write off. Pre tax income was $2,800,000 compared to $4,000,000 in the prior year. Speaker 200:06:32Net income was $4,200,000 or $0.62 per basic share and $0.55 per fully diluted share compared to $3,200,000 or $0.48 per basic share and $0.41 per fully diluted share in 2022. We had cash, cash equivalents and short term investments at December 31, 2023, of $57,300,000 Now I'd like to turn the call over to Jennifer to provide a more in-depth discussion of our market developments and opportunities. Thank you, Renee. As I look into the future, I'm excited about Semler's potential to support the identification of chronic diseases by our customers, which is a large burden on our healthcare system. Cardiovascular disease is the number one cause to the healthcare system, as well as the number one cause of death worldwide, which makes early detection of chronic cardiac conditions so critical. Speaker 200:07:51In January, we announced we are seeking a new 510 clearance from the FDA to broaden the labeling for QuantaFlo, extending its application to include aiding in the diagnosis of other cardiovascular diseases. We aim to receive clearance with this expanded label in the second half of twenty twenty four. Upon achieving this milestone, our focus will shift towards effectively upselling our existing customer base with this enhanced offering. In the interim, we remain dedicated to the promotion and sales of QuantaFlo as a valuable aid in the diagnosis of PAD. This proactive approach ensures that we continue providing our customers with a trusted solution while positioning ourselves for future success in the broader cardiovascular diagnostic market. Speaker 200:08:41By supporting early diagnosis of peripheral arterial disease, we are hopeful that healthcare providers will initiate preventative management of chronic cardiovascular disease. We believe that this proactive approach may save lives and also lower healthcare expenditures. As we set our sights on the future, we envision a healthcare landscape where our technology plays a pivotal role in shaping healthier outcomes for patients, while delivering substantial economic benefits to our customers. Our sales and marketing goals are to further establish Quattiflo for PAD as a standard of care given the proven clinical benefits of early diagnosis and preventative treatment and to diversify our customer base by adding medical centers, additional value based care providers, penetrating deeper into the VA system and growing the self insured employer, pharmaceutical and retail markets. And now Renee will give our concluding remarks. Speaker 200:09:37Renee? To achieve this plan, we are reinvesting in emerging growth opportunities with a focus on expanding our customer base for POD. We believe that these opportunities hold promise and represent an exciting aspect of our company's future. Additionally, our commitment to research and development remains amazing as we prioritize the enhancement of existing products and data services to stay in the forefront of innovation and consistently deliver cutting edge solutions to our customers. Our long term vision includes extending our reach to encompass additional cardiovascular applications, reflecting our dedication to continuous expansion. Speaker 200:10:21A key strength of our technology lies in its portability and accessibility, allowing us to actively contribute to addressing health and equity prevalent in cardiovascular disease. By providing tools that can be utilized in diverse settings, we play a role in breaking down barriers, ensuring that more individuals have access to early detection and intervention. As part of our growth strategy, we are exploring inorganic growth initiatives to further diversify our product portfolio. Through strategic partnerships and exploring new opportunities, we aim to broaden our impact on the market and expand our offering. We extend our gratitude for your interest in our company and appreciate your continued support as we embark on this journey of innovation. Speaker 200:11:09Now, operator, if you could please open the line, Doug, Jen and I will be happy to address your questions. Operator00:11:46Our first question comes from Brooks O'Neil with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:11:55Thank you very much. Good afternoon, everyone. Appreciate all the prepared remarks. I guess I'll start off by just asking, it looks to me like the $2,500,000 write off of the Insulin Insights investment may have obscured to some extent the benefit of the 30% expense reductions you're targeting for the company. Can you just give us a quick update on whether you were successful in taking the 30% expenses out of your expense base this year? Speaker 200:12:34Sure. So you're right. It does obscure the numbers there. And the $2,500,000 write off is in cost of revenues. And there are some noise between Q3 and Q4 between when we had some expenses or reversals and the Q4 expenses. Speaker 200:13:00So we were able to take out these expenses, and you should see that more clearly going forward as we won't have these onetime items. Speaker 300:13:11Okay, good. And then just thinking about the business and the report, the fixed license fee is pretty flat this quarter. Would you say, as I think you've mentioned in your prepared remarks, some cleanup from customers, but how would you evaluate the demand environment for the 60 side of the business, obviously, in light of the changes to the CMS risk methodology? Speaker 200:13:47Sure. So we are in constant contact with our customers, and we've had reaction from customers that have been mixed. So as you saw, we aren't giving guidance for 2024. So we do believe that the motivation to do testing is still there, although that's for some customers as the phasing in with that CMS decision that you referred to. So we do continue to expand our market with customers that are not dependent on Medicare Advantage. Speaker 200:14:19And going into 2024, we will remain nimble and adjust according to market conditions. Speaker 300:14:29So I mean, just trying to follow-up on this a little bit, Renee. You would say right this minute, you're not seeing much in the way of new interest from MA plan sponsors and there could be some softening of demand from existing customers in that arena. Is that a fair way to characterize it? Speaker 200:14:55I don't know that I would go into that specific detail. But when we're looking at expanding our market, we are looking to expand outside the Medicare Advantage space. So in the other spaces that we've talked about before, like the hospital system, retail pharmaceutical markets and then also delegated medical groups. Okay. Speaker 300:15:24And would you say I'm just trying to think this through quickly on the fly. I've always had a sense one of the appeals of the MA market is that you didn't need to get any kind of a specific reimbursement decision from the payers to reimburse doctors for providing the test. Do you see in the future a need or opportunity to pursue what I might call a more traditional route to revenue generation reimbursement for your service, your test? Speaker 200:16:06Right. So not at this time. And some of these markets that we're going after are more on the value based care side. And so looking at the perspective of identifying these patients early to put preventative measures in place ahead of time of major events that can be very costly. Speaker 300:16:27Sure. That makes all the sense in the world. Okay. Let me switch gears for a second and just obviously, you commented about the 510 submission for heart dysfunction. One of the things that I think I recall from your press releases talking about the decision to submit a new 510 is sort of the opportunity to be more clear about the conditions that QuantaFlo can test for. Speaker 300:17:00Have you been able to achieve any clarity either in your own minds or in conversation with the FDA about the kinds of tests, cardiovascular tests that quantiflo might work for? Speaker 200:17:15We have. And so what we talked about at this time is we're just broadly classifying it as cardiovascular diseases. And as we progress into the second half, we hope to have this 510 clearance at that time. And then we will be able to talk in more detail about what it's specifically cleared for. Speaker 300:17:39Okay. That makes sense to me. And maybe I'll just ask you one broad one. I'm just curious, I know you're in a unique position as you interact with the MA plan sponsors out there. And frankly, as you mentioned, the value based care providers, How would you say people are evaluating the changes the government has put in place for the risk model for MA reimbursement? Speaker 300:18:08Is it changing people's behavior in a substantial way? Are the changes more tweaks to the basic methodology? How do you read it right now? Speaker 200:18:20Sure. So it's hard to classify it as one particular thing because we are getting different reactions from different customers. And as you saw in 2023, we did have record revenues for the year. So as the year progressed, we still continue to see testing from our customers, both the existing customers and new customers. So as we work through 2024, again, we're going to adjust according to market conditions. Speaker 200:18:52But there aren't really clear reactions from customers as they have been mixed. Okay. I'll leave it at that. Thanks for taking my questions. Great. Speaker 200:19:04Thanks so much. Operator00:19:07This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Renee Cormier for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:19:16Thank you, Dave. As we wrap up this conference call, we want to emphasize our ongoing commitment to delivering clinical benefits through earlier diagnosis of chronic cardiovascular conditions. The continued recognition of the value of this approach by our customers underscores the crucial role our technology plays for patients, physicians, facilities and payers in an evolving healthcare landscape. Moving forward, our primary objective remains steadfast to preserve and strengthen our current revenue opportunities and profitability within the chronic disease space with a focus on cardiovascular diseases. We appreciate your participation in today's discussion and thank you for your ongoing support. Speaker 200:20:01Goodbye. Operator00:20:05The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by