NASDAQ:TRMK Trustmark Q1 2024 Earnings Report $33.80 +1.11 (+3.41%) As of 03:33 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Trustmark EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.68Consensus EPS $0.60Beat/MissBeat by +$0.08One Year Ago EPS$0.82Trustmark Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$288.55 millionExpected Revenue$187.03 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$101.52 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ATrustmark Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date4/23/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, April 24, 2024Conference Call Time9:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsTrustmark's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, April 22, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, April 23, 2025 at 9:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Trustmark Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrApril 24, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Trustmark Corporation's First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation this morning, there will be a question and answer session. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Mr. Operator00:00:38Joey Raine, Director of Corporate Strategy at Trustmark. Speaker 100:00:43Good morning. I'd like to remind everyone that a copy of our Q1 earnings release as well as the slide presentation that will be discussed on our call this morning is available on the Investor Relations section of our website at trustmark.com. During the course of our call, management may make forward looking statements within the meaning of Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and we would like to caution you that these forward looking statements may differ materially from actual results due to a number of risks and uncertainties, which are outlined in our earnings release and in our other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. At this time, I'd like to introduce Duane Dewey, President and CEO of Trustmark Corporation. Speaker 200:01:30Thank you, Joey, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us this morning. With me are Tom Owens, our Chief Financial Officer Barry Harvey, our Chief Credit and Operations Officer and Tom Chambers, our Chief Accounting Officer. We have great news to share with you this morning on multiple fronts. First, Trustmark had a strong Q1 reflecting continued loan growth, solid credit quality, increased non interest income and revenue and a decrease in non interest expense. Speaker 200:02:02Before delving into the quarter, I want to share some other important another important development for our company. We have signed a definitive agreement to sell our insurance agency, Fisher Brown Bottrill Insurance to Marsh McLennan Agency in a cash transaction valued at $345,000,000 Turning to Slide 4. We are extremely proud of the insurance brokerage business that we have built over the past 20 plus years at Trustmark. FBBI is in the top 5 largest bank affiliated agencies in the country. It has produced consistent organic revenue and profitability growth over the years, especially the last 10 plus years. Speaker 200:02:50The transaction multiples prove what we've known for some time that we have a very valuable and well regarded franchise. Through this transaction, we are pleased to be partnering with MMA and think we've chosen the best home for our employees and clients of FBVI. The transaction is expected to close during the Q2 of the year. In recent months, the multiples in the insurance brokerage industry have increased significantly. The positive implications of a sale for our shareholders and for the bank became compelling. Speaker 200:03:29FBBI contributed 7% of the bank's net income in 2023, while the purchase price is over 20% of the bank's market capitalization. As part of this transaction, we intend to reposition our balance sheet and Tom Owens will give more details on that strategy. Importantly, the combined transactions are expected to generate around 16% full year EPS accretion and 17% increase in tangible book value per share, while also increasing TCE to total assets over 100 basis points. After the sale, Trustmark has attractive fee income businesses, specifically a strong wealth management franchise and a significant mortgage business. Our pro form a fee income will be in the range of a healthy 20%. Speaker 200:04:28Now we'll spend some time on the pro formas. Speaker 300:04:33Happy to, Duane, and good morning, everyone. So turning to Slide 6. As Duane indicated, the sale of FBBI is substantially accretive to capital, and we intend to deploy a portion of that accretion via the restructuring of the securities portfolio. Based on current market conditions, which are obviously subject to change, we anticipate the sale of $1,600,000,000 in AFS securities with a book yield of approximately 1.7 percent at a loss of approximately $160,000,000 We anticipate reinvestment of $1,400,000,000 in securities yielding approximately 5%, resulting in a net increase in yield of approximately 3.25 basis points and an estimated earn back of about 3.4 years. We will be taking the advantage of the opportunity to remix our securities portfolio to achieve a more consistent ladder of cash flows over time, while also improving the stability of cash flows by increasing the mix of treasury and agency securities with positive convexity while reducing the mix of agency MBS with negative convexity. Speaker 300:05:48Including the impact of the securities portfolio restructuring, the combined transactions are approximately 65 basis points accretive to CET1 and 114 basis points accretive to TCE. The additional capital provides flexibility for additional accretive capital deployment actions, including the support of organic loan growth, share repurchases, M and A or other general corporate purposes depending on market conditions. As Duane indicated, the combined transactions are approximately 17% accretive to tangible book value per share and 16% accretive to full year EPS. Likewise, our other key profitability metrics improve with ROA up approximately 12 basis points, NIM up approximately 27 basis points and efficiency ratio down approximately 4 49 basis points. And then turning to Slide 7, it includes a walk down of after tax cash proceeds as well as a tangible book value per share reconciliation, which we're happy to take questions on during the Q and A session. Speaker 300:06:55Duane? Speaker 200:06:57Right. Thanks, Tom. Now let's turn to Slide 8 and review the strong financial highlights for the Q1. Loans held for investment increased to $107,400,000 or 0.08 percent linked quarter and 560 $560,700,000 or 4.5 percent year over year. Deposits totaled $15,300,000,000 a linked quarter decrease of $231,200,000 and an increase of $554,900,000 or 3.8 percent year over year. Speaker 200:07:35Net interest income totaled $136,200,000 in the first quarter, which resulted in a net interest margin of 3.21%. Non interest income in the Q1 totaled $55,300,000 an increase of 11.1% linked quarter and represented 29.4 percent of total revenue. Revenue for the 1st quarter totaled 100 Speaker 300:08:04quarter Speaker 200:08:081st quarter totaled $131,100,000 a decrease of 3.9% linked quarter, reflecting ongoing expense management priorities. Our credit quality continues to remain solid with net charge offs during the 1st quarter totaling for credit losses for loans held for investment was $7,700,000 in the first quarter. We continue to maintain strong capital levels with common Tier 1 equity of 10.12% and a total risk based capital ratio of 12.42%. The Board declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.23 per share payable on June 15 to shareholders of record on June 1. Now I'd like to ask Barry Harvey to provide some color on our loan growth and credit quality. Speaker 400:09:04I'll be glad to, Duane, and thank you. Turning to Slide 9. Loans held for investments totaled $13,100,000,000 as of March 31. That's an increase as Duane mentioned of $107,000,000 for the quarter. Loan growth during Q1 came from commercial real estate and our equipment finance line of business. Speaker 400:09:28We still expect loan growth in the mid single digits for 2024. As you can see, our loan portfolio remains diversified both by product type as well as geography. Looking to Slide 10, Trustmark's CRE portfolio is 94% vertical with 70% in the existing category and 30% in construction land development. Our Construction Land Development portfolio is 80% construction. Trustmark's office portfolio, as you can see, is very modest at $279,000,000 outstanding, which represents only 2% of our overall loan portfolio. Speaker 400:10:13The portfolio is comprised of credits with high quality tenants, low lease turnover, strong occupancy levels and low leverage. The credit metrics for this portfolio remain extremely strong. Turning to Slide 11, the bank's commercial loan portfolio is well diversified as you can see across numerous industries with no single category exceeding 14%. Looking at Slide 12, our provision for credit losses for loans held for investment was $7,700,000 during the Q1, which was attributable to loan growth, changes in our macroeconomic forecast and net adjustments to our qualitative factors. The provision for credit losses for off balance sheet credit exposure was a negative 192 $1,000 for the quarter. Speaker 400:11:11At March 31, the allowance for loan losses or loans held for investment was $143,000,000 Turning to Slide 13. We continue to post solid credit quality metrics. The allowance for credit losses represents 1.1 percent of loans held for investment and 2 35 percent of non accruals excluding those that are individually analyzed. In the Q1, net charge offs totaled $4,100,000 or 0.12 percent of average loans, both non accruals and non performing assets remain at reasonable levels. Duane? Speaker 200:11:54Thank you, Barry. Now Tom Owens will focus Speaker 300:12:03deposits on Slide 14. We began the year with another good quarter, which continued to show the strength of our deposit base amid an environment that continues to remain exceptionally competitive. Deposits totaled $15,300,000,000 at March 31st, that was a linked quarter decrease of $231,000,000 or 1.5 percent and a year over year increase of $555,000,000 or 3.8 percent. We continue to experience volatility in public fund balances during the quarter, declined $117,000,000 during the Q1 after having grown by $463,000,000 during the Q4. So some noise there, really counter seasonal noise related to certain large depositors. Speaker 300:12:53Non personal balances declined by $36,000,000 during the quarter, while personal balances declined by $86,000,000 during the Q1. That was driven by $69,000,000 of personal CD attrition, which reflects our efforts to rationalize the cost of our promotional CD book as they matured during the quarter. And brokered CDs were essentially unchanged, up $8,000,000 during the Q1. As of March 30 1, our promotional and exception price time deposit book totaled $1,500,000,000 with a weighted average rate paid of 5.07 percent and a weighted average remaining term of about 5 months. Our broker deposit book totaled $587,000,000 at an all in weighted average rate paid that remained at about 5.45% and a weighted average remaining term that remained at about 3 months as of March 31. Speaker 300:13:53Regarding mix, non interest bearing DDA balances declined $158,000,000 linked quarter or 4.9 percent to $3,000,000,000 As of the end of the quarter, that represented 20% of our deposit base. Decline was driven primarily by non personal balances with personal balances continuing to show signs of bobbing. Our cost of interest bearing deposits increased by 7 basis points from the prior quarter to 2.74%, which was down from the 28 basis point linked quarter increase in the 4th quarter. Turning to Slide 15. Trustmark continues to maintain a stable granular and low exposure deposit base. Speaker 300:14:38During the quarter, we had an average of about 463,000 personal and non personal deposit accounts, excluding collateralized public fund accounts with an average balance per account of about $27,000 As of March 31, 64% of our deposits were insured and 14% were collateralized, meaning that our mix of deposits that are uninsured and uncollateralized was essentially unchanged linked quarter at 22%. And we may continue to maintain substantial secured borrowing capacity, which stood at $6,200,000,000 at March 31, representing 185 percent coverage of uninsured and uncollateralized deposits. Looking at the chart in the bottom left hand corner of the slide, our first quarter total deposit cost of 2.18 percent represented a linked quarter increase of 8 basis points and a cumulative beta cycle to date of 40%. And our forecast for the 2nd quarter is a 4 basis points increase in deposit cost to 2.22 percent, continuing the trend of flattening linked quarter increases and bringing the cycle to date beta to 41%. Turning our attention to Slide 16, revenue. Speaker 300:16:03Net interest income FTE decreased $3,800,000 linked quarter totaling $136,200,000 which resulted in a net interest margin of 3 point 21%. Net interest margin decreased by 4 basis points linked quarter as the 2 basis points of dilution due to asset rate and volume and the 6 basis points of dilution due to liability rate and volume was somewhat offset by 4 basis points of lift due to day counts. With respect to the asset rate dilution, we had an unusual drop in loan fees during the quarter, which resulted in a 1 basis point linked quarter decline in loan yield. A normalized level of loan fees would have resulted in about a 4 basis points linked quarter increase in loan yield, which would have reduced the linked quarter decline in net interest margin to a basis point or 2 rather than the reported 4 basis points decrease. So we are continuing to close in on a trough in net interest margin. Speaker 300:17:07Turning to Slide 17. Our interest rate risk profile remained essentially unchanged as of March 31st with substantial asset sensitivity driven by loan portfolio mix with 50% variable rate coupon. During the Q1, we entered the $55,000,000 notional of forward starting swaps, which brought the swap portfolio notional at quarter end to $1,105,000,000 with a weighted average maturity of 2.9 years and a weighted average received fixed rate of 3.19%. We also entered into $45,000,000 notional of forward starting floors, which brought the floor portfolio notional at quarter end to $120,000,000 with weighted average maturity of 4 years at a weighted average SOFA rate of 3.60%. The cash flow hedging program substantially reduces our adverse asset sensitivity to any potential downward shock in interest rates. Speaker 300:18:07Turning to Slide 18. Non interest income for the Q1 totaled $55,300,000 a $5,500,000 linked quarter increase and a $4,000,000 increase year over year. The biggest driver of the linked quarter increase was mortgage banking, which was up $3,400,000 driven in approximately equal parts by increased gain on sale margin, reduced servicing asset amortization and improvement in the net negative hedge ineffectiveness. And now I'll ask Tom Chambers to cover non interest expense and capital management. Speaker 500:18:45Thank you, Tom. Turning to Slide 19, we'll see a detail of our total non interest interest expense. During the Q1, adjusted non interest expense totaled $130,100,000 a linked quarter decrease of $4,600,000 or 3.4 percent, mainly driven by a decrease in services and fees of $3,100,000 resulting from lower professional fees and data processing software expense. In addition, salaries and benefits decreased by $1,100,000 mainly due to the reduction of annual performance incentives, offset by a seasonal increase in payroll taxes. Turning to Slide 20, Trustmark remains well positioned from a capital perspective. Speaker 500:19:32As Duane previously mentioned, our capital ratios remain solid with a common equity Tier 1 ratio of 10.12 percent and a total risk based capital ratio of 12 point 42%. Although we currently have a $50,000,000 share repurchase program in place, our priority for capital deployment continues to be through organic lending. Back to you, Duane. Speaker 200:19:57Great. Thank you, Tom. Let's now look at our outlook commentary on Slide 21. I do want to emphasize that this forward looking commentary is pre transaction and does not reflect any balance sheet repositioning. So first, let's look at the balance sheet. Speaker 200:20:14We're expecting loans to grow mid single digits in 2024, while deposits are expected to grow low single digits. Securities balances are expected to decline by high single digits based on non reinvestment of portfolio cash flows, which of course are subject to changes in market interest rates. We'll be updating our security guidance along with our 2nd quarter results. Now on to the income segment, we're expecting net interest income to decline low single digits in 2024, reflecting continued earning asset growth and stabilizing deposit cost, resulting in a full year net interest margin of approximately 3.2% based on market implied forward interest rates and as noted previously, NII will be significantly impacted by balance sheet work post close of the transaction. For credit, the total provision for credit losses including unfunded commitments is dependent upon future loan growth, the current macroeconomic forecast and credit quality trends. Speaker 200:21:22Net charge offs are expected to remain below the industry average based on the current economic outlook. From a non interest income perspective, non interest income is expected to grow mid single digits, which is our wealth management and our mortgage division in the latter half of the year. For 2024, non interest expense is expected to increase low single digits for the full year, which reflects our cost containment initiatives and is subject to the impact of commissions in mortgage and wealth management. Again, we will reset our non insurance expense expectations after the sale is completed. Finally, we'll continue a disciplined approach to capital deployment with a preference for organic loan growth and potential M and A. Speaker 200:22:12We will continue to maintain a strong capital base to implement corporate priorities and initiatives. And with that, I'd like to open the floor for questions at this time. Operator00:23:04Our first question comes from Will Jones of KBW. Go ahead please. Speaker 600:23:10Hey, great. Good morning, guys. Speaker 300:23:12Good morning, Will. Good morning. Speaker 600:23:15So it was great to see the insurance still hit the tape. Congrats on kind of getting that through the finish line there. I was just curious, as you think about kind of the dynamics of the transaction, we have the bond sale coming through and pro form a CET1 and TCE are really going to kind of remain at nice year both levels. I think you guys lay out somewhere around 10.8 on CET1 following the bond sale. Just curious through your lens how you would characterize where excess capital will stand following the closing of the sale the bond sale? Speaker 600:23:50And then I guess the natural follow-up to that is, as you guys kind of list the tools for further redeployment, which are growth M and A, buybacks and then maybe even more balance sheet optimization. If you guys could just kind of stack rank that for us and trend ring fence where you would prioritize further deployment, that would be super helpful. Speaker 700:24:10Thank you. Speaker 300:24:11So, Will, this is Tom Owens. I'll start. So, there's a lot there. Historical context, as you know, we've been in the mode we have abstained from share repurchase activity. We have prioritized supporting organic loan growth with a desire to continue to accrete capital over time. Speaker 300:24:43What this transaction, what the FBBI sale allows us to do is substantially restructure most of our AFS portfolio, which so we wanted to take advantage of that opportunity and in super round numbers in terms of regulatory capital ratios, we're taking approximately half of the accretion and supporting the restructuring of the AFS portfolio and the other half of the transaction to accrete to regulatory capital. So, I would say for the foreseeable future, our priorities will remain the same, which is to say supporting organic loan growth and allowing capital to accrete. I would not anticipate that we would become active with respect to share repurchases as a result of this transaction. Would anticipate that we'll continue to be in the mode that we have been in. But again, it is helpful. Speaker 300:25:47It does provide additional flexibility. And as we continue to accrete capital, position us for other opportunities. Speaker 600:25:59Okay, great. That's very helpful. And I mean, does this change the way that you guys kind of view M and A opportunities? Speaker 200:26:08Well, I'll respond real quickly, Rick. Well, there are 1, we've get this transaction behind us and get to repositioning that Tom was referring to behind us and move forward. We feel there are still pretty significant headwinds in the marketplace. And really at this time are focusing on the organic side of things. We're adding production talent across the franchise. Speaker 200:26:38We're focused on our new business line, equipment finance is doing very well and we'd like to continue to support that business. We have a new office in the Atlanta market that we'd like to support. So we've got plenty of opportunity to add production talent across the system that we think really is a real opportunity for growth and we'll continue to focus on that for the time being. The headwinds in the M and A space remain, pressure on AOCI and other issues, the regulatory environment. So I'd see us really focusing organically for the time being until we start to see some clarity there on the other side of the equation. Speaker 600:27:23Yes. Okay. That's great. And then maybe just one for me quickly on the quarter. You guys saw a really nice dip in expenses this quarter. Speaker 600:27:32I guess maybe a little surprise the guidance is still where it stands at low single digits. Although I guess maybe this just more pulls up to the low end of that guidance. Could you just I guess maybe we talk some of the dynamics there and then how you think about it in respect to the low single digit growth guidance? Speaker 200:27:52Yes. I'll start real quick. This is Duane. I'll start real quick and then Tom Chambers can add some thoughts. But firstly, if you look linked quarter, the comparative is really good. Speaker 200:28:04Quarter year to year comparative, it's up in the very low single digits. And so we're still feeling that that's a pretty good guidance moving forward. I mean, we still feel inflationary pressures, costs really across the board are whether it's associate and benefits and all of that cost is still significant and there are still inflationary pressures out there. But a lot of the other things that Tom mentioned in his comments, professional fees, 3rd party fees and data processing costs and things like that with some of the initiatives we started a couple of years ago in the Fit to Grow process, etcetera, have started to take hold. So we're going to that will keep a lid on the expense growth. Speaker 200:28:56But we still see and still feel comfortable at the very low single digit range for the full year. Speaker 500:29:05I can't add anything to that. That was well said. Speaker 600:29:11All right, guys. That's it for me. Thanks for all the color this morning. Speaker 200:29:14Thank you, Operator00:29:20Will. Our next question comes from Gary Tenner of D. A. Davidson. Go ahead please. Operator00:29:26Thanks. Speaker 800:29:26Good morning. Good morning, Gary. Speaker 300:29:28Just had Speaker 600:29:28a couple Speaker 800:29:31of kind of bookkeeping items on the insurance sale. With the expected close by end of the second quarter, would you anticipate that the bond restructuring would also be complete by June 30 or at the very least early in the Q3, so you'd have effectively a full quarter beginning 3Q of that transaction? Speaker 200:29:52I'll start just real quickly. I mean the expected close date should be around the 1st June is what we're targeting. But as you know, that can vary a bit as we get into this process here. But and then it requires regulatory approval. So, we're targeting June 1 for a close, which then gives us opportunity for other things to happen before the end of the second quarter. Speaker 800:30:21Okay, great. And then as we're thinking about the expense piece of the insurance business, is the quarterly run rate assumption for adjusting models in that kind of $10,500,000 to $11,000,000 per quarter in terms of what will be leading Trustmark Consolidated. Is that a reasonable number to use? Any qualms with that kind of range? Speaker 200:30:42No, that's a very reasonable number. And just noting that will be out for 7 months of the year. Speaker 800:30:52Great. And then last question as it relates to that. I think there's the note that MMA will be an insurance broker partner of the bank. Should we assume that that means that there'll be referral business to where you actually generate some sort of fee income from that over time Speaker 700:31:15or just how to think about that? Speaker 200:31:19Yes. The first answer is no. There's not an ongoing fee arrangement, but we went through a very painstaking process. And this process of considering a partner, We and the agency handpicked MMA to join forces with. We're very excited about that ongoing opportunity for our production team, for our associates, for our clients. Speaker 200:31:47And we do continue to expect to have an ongoing relationship with MMA and build on 25 years of experience with the team that will be transitioning there. So we're very positive, but it is not a direct fee income referral type arrangement. Speaker 700:32:11Thank you. Operator00:32:33Our next question comes from Michael Rose of Raymond James. Go ahead please. Speaker 700:32:39Hey, good morning everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Just following up on the capital questions. I understand you're going to be conservative maybe as it relates to buybacks, but is there a certain capital level that you guys are managing to before you would potentially look a little bit more at doing some buybacks just given where the stock is trading and what the earn back would be on the pro form a tangible book? Or is it just kind of like you want to wait until all the actions happen before you would maybe look to buy back stock? Speaker 700:33:17Thanks. Speaker 300:33:18Yes, Michael, this is Tom Owens. Good morning to you. I think the baseline assumption would be based on our current sort of business as usual run rate of quarterly accretion in capital. It would probably be on the sidelines. I mean, it's always subject to market conditions, right? Speaker 300:33:37I mean, clearly, we have more capital now at our disposal. So, it's subject to market conditions. But I think absent volatility in the market and what might happen with the stock price, I think the baseline assumption for the remainder of the year would be that we're going to be on the sidelines on share repurchase and continue to accrete capital and support organic loan growth, some of the initiatives that Duane talked about. Speaker 700:34:06Yes, understood. And maybe if you can just, as a follow-up, just on the organic growth side, is there anything that this new capital will free up and allow you to do that you might have been a little cautious on before, meaning would you look to maybe hire some more lenders, build out some on the fee side, maybe invest some more money there? Just looking for a of what levers this capital can be deployed into on the organic growth side? Thanks. Speaker 200:34:37Yes, Michael. Yes, as I stated earlier, I think this does give us some opportunity. And I mean, we've always had a preference for organic growth and we feel this does give us the opportunity. We've got very, very attractive markets, Houston, Atlanta, Memphis, Birmingham, Mobile, etcetera, across our franchise where we can add talent across all those markets. And then like I mentioned earlier, in a business like equipment finance where we're starting to gain experience and get comfortable really understanding that business and feel there's some opportunity to add production talent there. Speaker 200:35:20And then the last thing I'd note, the other consideration in that process would be exploring opportunities in new markets that we don't currently operate in. We've gained experience by opening the Atlanta market and we think there are some very attractive markets in and around regions that we already serve, where we already have exposure and knowledge that we can add talent. And so we do think that this gives us a unique opportunity to expand and really focus more aggressively in some of those organic areas. Speaker 700:35:58Okay. That's very helpful. And then maybe just finally for me, when I was working through the model last night, it does seem like some Speaker 600:36:04of the Speaker 700:36:04assumptions around EPS accretion could prove to be a little bit conservative. Just if you can maybe walk through kind of the puts and takes to the projected EPS accretion, the way you see it, whether it be impact from rates or ability to deploy capital maybe higher. I know you talked about maybe potentially having the opportunity to do more on the bond book. We've seen that with a few other of these sale transactions where you've actually seen more done on the security side. So just can you walk through kind of the puts and takes to that EPS accretion guidance? Speaker 700:36:42What could be better and maybe what the potential headwinds would be? Thanks. Speaker 300:36:47Sure. So I'll start. This is Tom Owens. Clearly, with that amount of bond portfolio restructuring, and particularly with respect to the volatility we've had in interest rates in the market quarter to date here, still somewhat early in the quarter, the amount of restructuring, the composition of the restructuring could end up these are pro form a assumptions, could end up being different here. We've done our we've put our best thoughts together in terms of how we would restructure the portfolio. Speaker 300:37:29I think, Michael, to me, it's almost more interesting to talk about the puts and takes fundamentally and what some of the opportunities might be there ex the transaction. You think about the variability with respect to where the Fed might head with respect to interest rates, the impact on deposit cost. I mean, I think that there's an opportunity there. We continue to flatten that linked quarter increase in terms of deposit cost. I think there's when you talk about puts and takes, I think there's some opportunity to outperform there relative to the guidance. Speaker 300:38:11At the same time, there's some risk there, right, which particularly with respect to non interest bearing DDA balances and the trends there. So when it's all said and done, when we consider the puts and takes, we left the guidance intact basically across the board. So I guess those are the thoughts I can share with you that come to mind. Speaker 700:38:38Great. I appreciate the answers to my questions. Operator00:39:02This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Duane Dewey for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:39:13I'd like to thank you all for joining us for today's call. We hope it was informative. We're very excited to move into the new arrangement from an insurance perspective and very excited for Q2 and to continue to add shareholder value. 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Email Address About TrustmarkTrustmark (NASDAQ:TRMK) operates as the bank holding company for Trustmark National Bank that provides banking and other financial solutions to individuals and corporate institutions in the United States. The company operates through three segments: General Banking, Wealth Management, and Insurance. It offers checking, savings, and money market accounts; certificates of deposits and individual retirement accounts; financing for commercial and industrial projects, income-producing commercial real estate, owner-occupied real estate, and construction and land development; and installment and real estate loans, and lines of credit, as well as treasury management services. The company also provides mortgage banking services, including construction financing, production of conventional and government-insured mortgages, and secondary marketing and mortgage servicing. In addition, it provides wealth management and trust services, such as administration of personal trusts and estates; management of investment accounts for individuals, employee benefit plans, and charitable foundations; and corporate trust and institutional custody, securities brokerage, financial and estate planning, retirement plan, and investment management services. Further, the company offers business insurance products and services for medical professionals, construction, manufacturing, hospitality, real estate, and group life and health plans; and life and health insurance, and personal line policies for individual customers. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Trustmark Corporation's First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation this morning, there will be a question and answer session. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Mr. Operator00:00:38Joey Raine, Director of Corporate Strategy at Trustmark. Speaker 100:00:43Good morning. I'd like to remind everyone that a copy of our Q1 earnings release as well as the slide presentation that will be discussed on our call this morning is available on the Investor Relations section of our website at trustmark.com. During the course of our call, management may make forward looking statements within the meaning of Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and we would like to caution you that these forward looking statements may differ materially from actual results due to a number of risks and uncertainties, which are outlined in our earnings release and in our other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. At this time, I'd like to introduce Duane Dewey, President and CEO of Trustmark Corporation. Speaker 200:01:30Thank you, Joey, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us this morning. With me are Tom Owens, our Chief Financial Officer Barry Harvey, our Chief Credit and Operations Officer and Tom Chambers, our Chief Accounting Officer. We have great news to share with you this morning on multiple fronts. First, Trustmark had a strong Q1 reflecting continued loan growth, solid credit quality, increased non interest income and revenue and a decrease in non interest expense. Speaker 200:02:02Before delving into the quarter, I want to share some other important another important development for our company. We have signed a definitive agreement to sell our insurance agency, Fisher Brown Bottrill Insurance to Marsh McLennan Agency in a cash transaction valued at $345,000,000 Turning to Slide 4. We are extremely proud of the insurance brokerage business that we have built over the past 20 plus years at Trustmark. FBBI is in the top 5 largest bank affiliated agencies in the country. It has produced consistent organic revenue and profitability growth over the years, especially the last 10 plus years. Speaker 200:02:50The transaction multiples prove what we've known for some time that we have a very valuable and well regarded franchise. Through this transaction, we are pleased to be partnering with MMA and think we've chosen the best home for our employees and clients of FBVI. The transaction is expected to close during the Q2 of the year. In recent months, the multiples in the insurance brokerage industry have increased significantly. The positive implications of a sale for our shareholders and for the bank became compelling. Speaker 200:03:29FBBI contributed 7% of the bank's net income in 2023, while the purchase price is over 20% of the bank's market capitalization. As part of this transaction, we intend to reposition our balance sheet and Tom Owens will give more details on that strategy. Importantly, the combined transactions are expected to generate around 16% full year EPS accretion and 17% increase in tangible book value per share, while also increasing TCE to total assets over 100 basis points. After the sale, Trustmark has attractive fee income businesses, specifically a strong wealth management franchise and a significant mortgage business. Our pro form a fee income will be in the range of a healthy 20%. Speaker 200:04:28Now we'll spend some time on the pro formas. Speaker 300:04:33Happy to, Duane, and good morning, everyone. So turning to Slide 6. As Duane indicated, the sale of FBBI is substantially accretive to capital, and we intend to deploy a portion of that accretion via the restructuring of the securities portfolio. Based on current market conditions, which are obviously subject to change, we anticipate the sale of $1,600,000,000 in AFS securities with a book yield of approximately 1.7 percent at a loss of approximately $160,000,000 We anticipate reinvestment of $1,400,000,000 in securities yielding approximately 5%, resulting in a net increase in yield of approximately 3.25 basis points and an estimated earn back of about 3.4 years. We will be taking the advantage of the opportunity to remix our securities portfolio to achieve a more consistent ladder of cash flows over time, while also improving the stability of cash flows by increasing the mix of treasury and agency securities with positive convexity while reducing the mix of agency MBS with negative convexity. Speaker 300:05:48Including the impact of the securities portfolio restructuring, the combined transactions are approximately 65 basis points accretive to CET1 and 114 basis points accretive to TCE. The additional capital provides flexibility for additional accretive capital deployment actions, including the support of organic loan growth, share repurchases, M and A or other general corporate purposes depending on market conditions. As Duane indicated, the combined transactions are approximately 17% accretive to tangible book value per share and 16% accretive to full year EPS. Likewise, our other key profitability metrics improve with ROA up approximately 12 basis points, NIM up approximately 27 basis points and efficiency ratio down approximately 4 49 basis points. And then turning to Slide 7, it includes a walk down of after tax cash proceeds as well as a tangible book value per share reconciliation, which we're happy to take questions on during the Q and A session. Speaker 300:06:55Duane? Speaker 200:06:57Right. Thanks, Tom. Now let's turn to Slide 8 and review the strong financial highlights for the Q1. Loans held for investment increased to $107,400,000 or 0.08 percent linked quarter and 560 $560,700,000 or 4.5 percent year over year. Deposits totaled $15,300,000,000 a linked quarter decrease of $231,200,000 and an increase of $554,900,000 or 3.8 percent year over year. Speaker 200:07:35Net interest income totaled $136,200,000 in the first quarter, which resulted in a net interest margin of 3.21%. Non interest income in the Q1 totaled $55,300,000 an increase of 11.1% linked quarter and represented 29.4 percent of total revenue. Revenue for the 1st quarter totaled 100 Speaker 300:08:04quarter Speaker 200:08:081st quarter totaled $131,100,000 a decrease of 3.9% linked quarter, reflecting ongoing expense management priorities. Our credit quality continues to remain solid with net charge offs during the 1st quarter totaling for credit losses for loans held for investment was $7,700,000 in the first quarter. We continue to maintain strong capital levels with common Tier 1 equity of 10.12% and a total risk based capital ratio of 12.42%. The Board declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.23 per share payable on June 15 to shareholders of record on June 1. Now I'd like to ask Barry Harvey to provide some color on our loan growth and credit quality. Speaker 400:09:04I'll be glad to, Duane, and thank you. Turning to Slide 9. Loans held for investments totaled $13,100,000,000 as of March 31. That's an increase as Duane mentioned of $107,000,000 for the quarter. Loan growth during Q1 came from commercial real estate and our equipment finance line of business. Speaker 400:09:28We still expect loan growth in the mid single digits for 2024. As you can see, our loan portfolio remains diversified both by product type as well as geography. Looking to Slide 10, Trustmark's CRE portfolio is 94% vertical with 70% in the existing category and 30% in construction land development. Our Construction Land Development portfolio is 80% construction. Trustmark's office portfolio, as you can see, is very modest at $279,000,000 outstanding, which represents only 2% of our overall loan portfolio. Speaker 400:10:13The portfolio is comprised of credits with high quality tenants, low lease turnover, strong occupancy levels and low leverage. The credit metrics for this portfolio remain extremely strong. Turning to Slide 11, the bank's commercial loan portfolio is well diversified as you can see across numerous industries with no single category exceeding 14%. Looking at Slide 12, our provision for credit losses for loans held for investment was $7,700,000 during the Q1, which was attributable to loan growth, changes in our macroeconomic forecast and net adjustments to our qualitative factors. The provision for credit losses for off balance sheet credit exposure was a negative 192 $1,000 for the quarter. Speaker 400:11:11At March 31, the allowance for loan losses or loans held for investment was $143,000,000 Turning to Slide 13. We continue to post solid credit quality metrics. The allowance for credit losses represents 1.1 percent of loans held for investment and 2 35 percent of non accruals excluding those that are individually analyzed. In the Q1, net charge offs totaled $4,100,000 or 0.12 percent of average loans, both non accruals and non performing assets remain at reasonable levels. Duane? Speaker 200:11:54Thank you, Barry. Now Tom Owens will focus Speaker 300:12:03deposits on Slide 14. We began the year with another good quarter, which continued to show the strength of our deposit base amid an environment that continues to remain exceptionally competitive. Deposits totaled $15,300,000,000 at March 31st, that was a linked quarter decrease of $231,000,000 or 1.5 percent and a year over year increase of $555,000,000 or 3.8 percent. We continue to experience volatility in public fund balances during the quarter, declined $117,000,000 during the Q1 after having grown by $463,000,000 during the Q4. So some noise there, really counter seasonal noise related to certain large depositors. Speaker 300:12:53Non personal balances declined by $36,000,000 during the quarter, while personal balances declined by $86,000,000 during the Q1. That was driven by $69,000,000 of personal CD attrition, which reflects our efforts to rationalize the cost of our promotional CD book as they matured during the quarter. And brokered CDs were essentially unchanged, up $8,000,000 during the Q1. As of March 30 1, our promotional and exception price time deposit book totaled $1,500,000,000 with a weighted average rate paid of 5.07 percent and a weighted average remaining term of about 5 months. Our broker deposit book totaled $587,000,000 at an all in weighted average rate paid that remained at about 5.45% and a weighted average remaining term that remained at about 3 months as of March 31. Speaker 300:13:53Regarding mix, non interest bearing DDA balances declined $158,000,000 linked quarter or 4.9 percent to $3,000,000,000 As of the end of the quarter, that represented 20% of our deposit base. Decline was driven primarily by non personal balances with personal balances continuing to show signs of bobbing. Our cost of interest bearing deposits increased by 7 basis points from the prior quarter to 2.74%, which was down from the 28 basis point linked quarter increase in the 4th quarter. Turning to Slide 15. Trustmark continues to maintain a stable granular and low exposure deposit base. Speaker 300:14:38During the quarter, we had an average of about 463,000 personal and non personal deposit accounts, excluding collateralized public fund accounts with an average balance per account of about $27,000 As of March 31, 64% of our deposits were insured and 14% were collateralized, meaning that our mix of deposits that are uninsured and uncollateralized was essentially unchanged linked quarter at 22%. And we may continue to maintain substantial secured borrowing capacity, which stood at $6,200,000,000 at March 31, representing 185 percent coverage of uninsured and uncollateralized deposits. Looking at the chart in the bottom left hand corner of the slide, our first quarter total deposit cost of 2.18 percent represented a linked quarter increase of 8 basis points and a cumulative beta cycle to date of 40%. And our forecast for the 2nd quarter is a 4 basis points increase in deposit cost to 2.22 percent, continuing the trend of flattening linked quarter increases and bringing the cycle to date beta to 41%. Turning our attention to Slide 16, revenue. Speaker 300:16:03Net interest income FTE decreased $3,800,000 linked quarter totaling $136,200,000 which resulted in a net interest margin of 3 point 21%. Net interest margin decreased by 4 basis points linked quarter as the 2 basis points of dilution due to asset rate and volume and the 6 basis points of dilution due to liability rate and volume was somewhat offset by 4 basis points of lift due to day counts. With respect to the asset rate dilution, we had an unusual drop in loan fees during the quarter, which resulted in a 1 basis point linked quarter decline in loan yield. A normalized level of loan fees would have resulted in about a 4 basis points linked quarter increase in loan yield, which would have reduced the linked quarter decline in net interest margin to a basis point or 2 rather than the reported 4 basis points decrease. So we are continuing to close in on a trough in net interest margin. Speaker 300:17:07Turning to Slide 17. Our interest rate risk profile remained essentially unchanged as of March 31st with substantial asset sensitivity driven by loan portfolio mix with 50% variable rate coupon. During the Q1, we entered the $55,000,000 notional of forward starting swaps, which brought the swap portfolio notional at quarter end to $1,105,000,000 with a weighted average maturity of 2.9 years and a weighted average received fixed rate of 3.19%. We also entered into $45,000,000 notional of forward starting floors, which brought the floor portfolio notional at quarter end to $120,000,000 with weighted average maturity of 4 years at a weighted average SOFA rate of 3.60%. The cash flow hedging program substantially reduces our adverse asset sensitivity to any potential downward shock in interest rates. Speaker 300:18:07Turning to Slide 18. Non interest income for the Q1 totaled $55,300,000 a $5,500,000 linked quarter increase and a $4,000,000 increase year over year. The biggest driver of the linked quarter increase was mortgage banking, which was up $3,400,000 driven in approximately equal parts by increased gain on sale margin, reduced servicing asset amortization and improvement in the net negative hedge ineffectiveness. And now I'll ask Tom Chambers to cover non interest expense and capital management. Speaker 500:18:45Thank you, Tom. Turning to Slide 19, we'll see a detail of our total non interest interest expense. During the Q1, adjusted non interest expense totaled $130,100,000 a linked quarter decrease of $4,600,000 or 3.4 percent, mainly driven by a decrease in services and fees of $3,100,000 resulting from lower professional fees and data processing software expense. In addition, salaries and benefits decreased by $1,100,000 mainly due to the reduction of annual performance incentives, offset by a seasonal increase in payroll taxes. Turning to Slide 20, Trustmark remains well positioned from a capital perspective. Speaker 500:19:32As Duane previously mentioned, our capital ratios remain solid with a common equity Tier 1 ratio of 10.12 percent and a total risk based capital ratio of 12 point 42%. Although we currently have a $50,000,000 share repurchase program in place, our priority for capital deployment continues to be through organic lending. Back to you, Duane. Speaker 200:19:57Great. Thank you, Tom. Let's now look at our outlook commentary on Slide 21. I do want to emphasize that this forward looking commentary is pre transaction and does not reflect any balance sheet repositioning. So first, let's look at the balance sheet. Speaker 200:20:14We're expecting loans to grow mid single digits in 2024, while deposits are expected to grow low single digits. Securities balances are expected to decline by high single digits based on non reinvestment of portfolio cash flows, which of course are subject to changes in market interest rates. We'll be updating our security guidance along with our 2nd quarter results. Now on to the income segment, we're expecting net interest income to decline low single digits in 2024, reflecting continued earning asset growth and stabilizing deposit cost, resulting in a full year net interest margin of approximately 3.2% based on market implied forward interest rates and as noted previously, NII will be significantly impacted by balance sheet work post close of the transaction. For credit, the total provision for credit losses including unfunded commitments is dependent upon future loan growth, the current macroeconomic forecast and credit quality trends. Speaker 200:21:22Net charge offs are expected to remain below the industry average based on the current economic outlook. From a non interest income perspective, non interest income is expected to grow mid single digits, which is our wealth management and our mortgage division in the latter half of the year. For 2024, non interest expense is expected to increase low single digits for the full year, which reflects our cost containment initiatives and is subject to the impact of commissions in mortgage and wealth management. Again, we will reset our non insurance expense expectations after the sale is completed. Finally, we'll continue a disciplined approach to capital deployment with a preference for organic loan growth and potential M and A. Speaker 200:22:12We will continue to maintain a strong capital base to implement corporate priorities and initiatives. And with that, I'd like to open the floor for questions at this time. Operator00:23:04Our first question comes from Will Jones of KBW. Go ahead please. Speaker 600:23:10Hey, great. Good morning, guys. Speaker 300:23:12Good morning, Will. Good morning. Speaker 600:23:15So it was great to see the insurance still hit the tape. Congrats on kind of getting that through the finish line there. I was just curious, as you think about kind of the dynamics of the transaction, we have the bond sale coming through and pro form a CET1 and TCE are really going to kind of remain at nice year both levels. I think you guys lay out somewhere around 10.8 on CET1 following the bond sale. Just curious through your lens how you would characterize where excess capital will stand following the closing of the sale the bond sale? Speaker 600:23:50And then I guess the natural follow-up to that is, as you guys kind of list the tools for further redeployment, which are growth M and A, buybacks and then maybe even more balance sheet optimization. If you guys could just kind of stack rank that for us and trend ring fence where you would prioritize further deployment, that would be super helpful. Speaker 700:24:10Thank you. Speaker 300:24:11So, Will, this is Tom Owens. I'll start. So, there's a lot there. Historical context, as you know, we've been in the mode we have abstained from share repurchase activity. We have prioritized supporting organic loan growth with a desire to continue to accrete capital over time. Speaker 300:24:43What this transaction, what the FBBI sale allows us to do is substantially restructure most of our AFS portfolio, which so we wanted to take advantage of that opportunity and in super round numbers in terms of regulatory capital ratios, we're taking approximately half of the accretion and supporting the restructuring of the AFS portfolio and the other half of the transaction to accrete to regulatory capital. So, I would say for the foreseeable future, our priorities will remain the same, which is to say supporting organic loan growth and allowing capital to accrete. I would not anticipate that we would become active with respect to share repurchases as a result of this transaction. Would anticipate that we'll continue to be in the mode that we have been in. But again, it is helpful. Speaker 300:25:47It does provide additional flexibility. And as we continue to accrete capital, position us for other opportunities. Speaker 600:25:59Okay, great. That's very helpful. And I mean, does this change the way that you guys kind of view M and A opportunities? Speaker 200:26:08Well, I'll respond real quickly, Rick. Well, there are 1, we've get this transaction behind us and get to repositioning that Tom was referring to behind us and move forward. We feel there are still pretty significant headwinds in the marketplace. And really at this time are focusing on the organic side of things. We're adding production talent across the franchise. Speaker 200:26:38We're focused on our new business line, equipment finance is doing very well and we'd like to continue to support that business. We have a new office in the Atlanta market that we'd like to support. So we've got plenty of opportunity to add production talent across the system that we think really is a real opportunity for growth and we'll continue to focus on that for the time being. The headwinds in the M and A space remain, pressure on AOCI and other issues, the regulatory environment. So I'd see us really focusing organically for the time being until we start to see some clarity there on the other side of the equation. Speaker 600:27:23Yes. Okay. That's great. And then maybe just one for me quickly on the quarter. You guys saw a really nice dip in expenses this quarter. Speaker 600:27:32I guess maybe a little surprise the guidance is still where it stands at low single digits. Although I guess maybe this just more pulls up to the low end of that guidance. Could you just I guess maybe we talk some of the dynamics there and then how you think about it in respect to the low single digit growth guidance? Speaker 200:27:52Yes. I'll start real quick. This is Duane. I'll start real quick and then Tom Chambers can add some thoughts. But firstly, if you look linked quarter, the comparative is really good. Speaker 200:28:04Quarter year to year comparative, it's up in the very low single digits. And so we're still feeling that that's a pretty good guidance moving forward. I mean, we still feel inflationary pressures, costs really across the board are whether it's associate and benefits and all of that cost is still significant and there are still inflationary pressures out there. But a lot of the other things that Tom mentioned in his comments, professional fees, 3rd party fees and data processing costs and things like that with some of the initiatives we started a couple of years ago in the Fit to Grow process, etcetera, have started to take hold. So we're going to that will keep a lid on the expense growth. Speaker 200:28:56But we still see and still feel comfortable at the very low single digit range for the full year. Speaker 500:29:05I can't add anything to that. That was well said. Speaker 600:29:11All right, guys. That's it for me. Thanks for all the color this morning. Speaker 200:29:14Thank you, Operator00:29:20Will. Our next question comes from Gary Tenner of D. A. Davidson. Go ahead please. Operator00:29:26Thanks. Speaker 800:29:26Good morning. Good morning, Gary. Speaker 300:29:28Just had Speaker 600:29:28a couple Speaker 800:29:31of kind of bookkeeping items on the insurance sale. With the expected close by end of the second quarter, would you anticipate that the bond restructuring would also be complete by June 30 or at the very least early in the Q3, so you'd have effectively a full quarter beginning 3Q of that transaction? Speaker 200:29:52I'll start just real quickly. I mean the expected close date should be around the 1st June is what we're targeting. But as you know, that can vary a bit as we get into this process here. But and then it requires regulatory approval. So, we're targeting June 1 for a close, which then gives us opportunity for other things to happen before the end of the second quarter. Speaker 800:30:21Okay, great. And then as we're thinking about the expense piece of the insurance business, is the quarterly run rate assumption for adjusting models in that kind of $10,500,000 to $11,000,000 per quarter in terms of what will be leading Trustmark Consolidated. Is that a reasonable number to use? Any qualms with that kind of range? Speaker 200:30:42No, that's a very reasonable number. And just noting that will be out for 7 months of the year. Speaker 800:30:52Great. And then last question as it relates to that. I think there's the note that MMA will be an insurance broker partner of the bank. Should we assume that that means that there'll be referral business to where you actually generate some sort of fee income from that over time Speaker 700:31:15or just how to think about that? Speaker 200:31:19Yes. The first answer is no. There's not an ongoing fee arrangement, but we went through a very painstaking process. And this process of considering a partner, We and the agency handpicked MMA to join forces with. We're very excited about that ongoing opportunity for our production team, for our associates, for our clients. Speaker 200:31:47And we do continue to expect to have an ongoing relationship with MMA and build on 25 years of experience with the team that will be transitioning there. So we're very positive, but it is not a direct fee income referral type arrangement. Speaker 700:32:11Thank you. Operator00:32:33Our next question comes from Michael Rose of Raymond James. Go ahead please. Speaker 700:32:39Hey, good morning everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Just following up on the capital questions. I understand you're going to be conservative maybe as it relates to buybacks, but is there a certain capital level that you guys are managing to before you would potentially look a little bit more at doing some buybacks just given where the stock is trading and what the earn back would be on the pro form a tangible book? Or is it just kind of like you want to wait until all the actions happen before you would maybe look to buy back stock? Speaker 700:33:17Thanks. Speaker 300:33:18Yes, Michael, this is Tom Owens. Good morning to you. I think the baseline assumption would be based on our current sort of business as usual run rate of quarterly accretion in capital. It would probably be on the sidelines. I mean, it's always subject to market conditions, right? Speaker 300:33:37I mean, clearly, we have more capital now at our disposal. So, it's subject to market conditions. But I think absent volatility in the market and what might happen with the stock price, I think the baseline assumption for the remainder of the year would be that we're going to be on the sidelines on share repurchase and continue to accrete capital and support organic loan growth, some of the initiatives that Duane talked about. Speaker 700:34:06Yes, understood. And maybe if you can just, as a follow-up, just on the organic growth side, is there anything that this new capital will free up and allow you to do that you might have been a little cautious on before, meaning would you look to maybe hire some more lenders, build out some on the fee side, maybe invest some more money there? Just looking for a of what levers this capital can be deployed into on the organic growth side? Thanks. Speaker 200:34:37Yes, Michael. Yes, as I stated earlier, I think this does give us some opportunity. And I mean, we've always had a preference for organic growth and we feel this does give us the opportunity. We've got very, very attractive markets, Houston, Atlanta, Memphis, Birmingham, Mobile, etcetera, across our franchise where we can add talent across all those markets. And then like I mentioned earlier, in a business like equipment finance where we're starting to gain experience and get comfortable really understanding that business and feel there's some opportunity to add production talent there. Speaker 200:35:20And then the last thing I'd note, the other consideration in that process would be exploring opportunities in new markets that we don't currently operate in. We've gained experience by opening the Atlanta market and we think there are some very attractive markets in and around regions that we already serve, where we already have exposure and knowledge that we can add talent. And so we do think that this gives us a unique opportunity to expand and really focus more aggressively in some of those organic areas. Speaker 700:35:58Okay. That's very helpful. And then maybe just finally for me, when I was working through the model last night, it does seem like some Speaker 600:36:04of the Speaker 700:36:04assumptions around EPS accretion could prove to be a little bit conservative. Just if you can maybe walk through kind of the puts and takes to the projected EPS accretion, the way you see it, whether it be impact from rates or ability to deploy capital maybe higher. I know you talked about maybe potentially having the opportunity to do more on the bond book. We've seen that with a few other of these sale transactions where you've actually seen more done on the security side. So just can you walk through kind of the puts and takes to that EPS accretion guidance? Speaker 700:36:42What could be better and maybe what the potential headwinds would be? Thanks. Speaker 300:36:47Sure. So I'll start. This is Tom Owens. Clearly, with that amount of bond portfolio restructuring, and particularly with respect to the volatility we've had in interest rates in the market quarter to date here, still somewhat early in the quarter, the amount of restructuring, the composition of the restructuring could end up these are pro form a assumptions, could end up being different here. We've done our we've put our best thoughts together in terms of how we would restructure the portfolio. Speaker 300:37:29I think, Michael, to me, it's almost more interesting to talk about the puts and takes fundamentally and what some of the opportunities might be there ex the transaction. You think about the variability with respect to where the Fed might head with respect to interest rates, the impact on deposit cost. I mean, I think that there's an opportunity there. We continue to flatten that linked quarter increase in terms of deposit cost. I think there's when you talk about puts and takes, I think there's some opportunity to outperform there relative to the guidance. Speaker 300:38:11At the same time, there's some risk there, right, which particularly with respect to non interest bearing DDA balances and the trends there. So when it's all said and done, when we consider the puts and takes, we left the guidance intact basically across the board. So I guess those are the thoughts I can share with you that come to mind. Speaker 700:38:38Great. I appreciate the answers to my questions. Operator00:39:02This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Duane Dewey for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:39:13I'd like to thank you all for joining us for today's call. We hope it was informative. We're very excited to move into the new arrangement from an insurance perspective and very excited for Q2 and to continue to add shareholder value. Thanks again for joining us and we'll be back to you at the end of the second quarter.Read morePowered by