DTE Energy Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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April 25, 2024

There are 15 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to the First Quarter 2024 Caterpillar Earnings Conference Call. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Ryan Fiedler. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Audra. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Caterpillar's Q1 of 2024 earnings call. I'm Ryan Fiedler, Vice President of Investor Relations. Joining me today are Jim Umpleby, Chairman and CEO Andrew Bonfield, Chief Financial Officer Kyle Eppley, Senior Vice President of the Global Finance Services Division and Rob Rangel, Senior Director of IR. During our call, we'll be discussing the Q1 earnings release we issued earlier today.

Speaker 1

You can find our slides, the news release and a webcast recap at investors. Caterpillar.com under Events and Presentations. The content of this call is protected by U. S. And international copyright law.

Speaker 1

Any rebroadcast, retransmission, reproduction or distribution of all or part of this content without Caterpillar's prior written permission is prohibited. Moving to slide 2. During our call today, we'll make forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties. We'll also make assumptions that could cause our actual results to be different than information we're sharing with you on this call. Please refer to the recent SEC filings and the forward looking statements reminder in the news release for details on factors that, individually or in aggregate, could cause our actual results to vary materially from our forecast.

Speaker 1

A detailed discussion of the many factors that we believe may have a material effect on our business on an ongoing basis is contained in our SEC filings. On today's call, we'll also refer to non GAAP numbers. For a reconciliation of any non GAAP numbers to the appropriate U. S. GAAP numbers, please see the appendix of the earnings call slides.

Speaker 1

Now, I'll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Jim Umpleby. Thanks, Ryan. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. I'd like to start by thanking our global team for delivering another strong quarter, including higher adjusted operating profit margin, record adjusted profit per share and strong ME and T free cash flow.

Speaker 1

Our strong balance sheet and ME and T free cash flow allowed us to deploy a record $5,100,000,000 of cash for share repurchases and dividends in the Q1. Our results reflect a continuation of healthy demand for our products and services across most of our end markets. We remain focused on executing our strategy and continue to invest for long term profitable growth. I'll begin with my perspectives about our performance in the quarter. I'll then provide some insights about our end markets, followed by an update on our sustainability journey.

Speaker 1

It was another strong quarter. Sales and revenues were about flat in the quarter versus last year, broadly in line with our expectations. Services revenues increased in the quarter. Our adjusted operating profit increased by 5% to $3,500,000,000 Adjusted operating profit margin was slightly better than we expected and improved to 22.2 percent, up 110 basis points versus last year. We achieved a record adjusted profit per share $5.60 up 14%.

Speaker 1

We also generated strong ME and T free cash flow in the quarter of $1,300,000,000 In addition, our backlog increased to $27,900,000,000 up $400,000,000 versus the Q4 of 2023. We continue to expect 2024 sales and revenues to be broadly similar to the record 2023 level. We have revised our full year 2024 segment expectations to reflect a slightly stronger top line in Energy and Transportation, offset by softening in the European market for construction industries. We anticipate services to be higher in 2024 as we strive to achieve our 2026 target of $28,000,000,000 For the year, we continue to expect adjusted operating profit margin and ME and T free cash flow to be in the top half of our target ranges. Turning to slide 4.

Speaker 1

In the Q1 of 2024, sales and revenues remained about flat at $15,800,000,000 Compared to our expectations, sales volume was slightly lower, while price realization, including geographic mix, was better than we anticipated. Compared to the Q1 of 2023, overall sales to users decreased 5%. This was slightly lower than we expected, mainly due to weakness in Europe for Construction Industries. Energy and Transportation continued to show strength, where sales to users increased 9%. For machines, which includes Construction Industries and Resource Industries, sales to users declined by 9%.

Speaker 1

Focusing on Construction Industries, sales to users were down 5%. In North America, our largest geographic region for Construction Industries, sales to users increased as expected and demand remained healthy for both non residential and residential construction. Construction projects as well as government related infrastructure continue to benefit non residential demand. Although residential sales to users in North America were down slightly, demand for new housing remained strong. Sales to users declined in EAME, primarily due to weakness in Europe related to residential construction and economic conditions.

Speaker 1

Latin America and Asia Pacific sales to users also saw some declines. In Resource Industries, sales to users declined 17% in the Q1 compared to a very strong Q1 in 2023. Mining as well as heavy construction and quarry and aggregates were lower, mainly due to softness in off highway and articulated trucks that we mentioned during our last earnings call. In Energy and Transportation, sales to users increased by 9%. Oil and Gas sales to users benefited from strong sales of turbines and turbine related services.

Speaker 1

We also saw increased sales of reciprocating engines in the gas compression and well servicing oil and gas applications. Power generation sales to users grew as market conditions remained favorable, including strong data center growth. Transportation sales to users increased, while industrial declined as we expected from strong levels last year. In total, dealer inventory increased by $1,400,000,000 versus the 4th quarter. For machines, dealer inventory increased by $1,100,000,000 which was slightly higher than our expectations, largely due to sales to users being modestly lower than anticipated.

Speaker 1

The increase in machine dealer inventory is consistent with normal seasonal patterns of which construction industries products accounted for the majority of the increase. The total level of machine dealer inventory is comfortably within the typical range. As I mentioned, backlog increased to $27,900,000,000 up $400,000,000 versus the Q4 of 2023, led by Energy and Transportation. Backlog remains elevated as a percentage of revenues compared to historical levels. Adjusted operating profit margin increased to 22.2% in the first quarter, a 110 basis point increase over last year, which was slightly better than we anticipated.

Speaker 1

This was primarily due to better than expected manufacturing costs, mainly related to freight. Moving to Slide 5. We generated strong ME and T free cash flow of $1,300,000,000 in the first quarter. We deployed $5,100,000,000 of cash for share repurchases and dividends in the Q1, including the initiation of a $3,500,000,000 accelerated share repurchase program, which may last up to 9 months. We remain proud of our dividend aristocrat status and continue to expect to return substantially all ME and T free cash flow to shareholders over time through dividends and share repurchases.

Speaker 1

Now on Slide 6, I'll describe our expectations moving forward. We expect a continuation of healthy demand across most of our end markets for our products and services. We continue to anticipate 2024 sales and revenues to be broadly similar to the record 2023 level. As I mentioned, we expect services to continue to grow in 2024. We currently do not anticipate a significant change in dealer inventory of machines in 2024 compared to a $700,000,000 increase in 2023.

Speaker 1

This is expected to be a headwind to sales in 2024. As a reminder, dealers are independent businesses and manage their own inventories. The vast majority of dealer inventories in energy and transportation are backed by firm customer orders. The timing of these products being recognized as sales to users is impacted by dealer packaging and commissioning, which is why it is difficult to predict dealer inventory in ENT. This is why we have become more explicit about the differentiation between machine dealer inventory and total dealer inventory.

Speaker 1

As I mentioned, we anticipate that our 2024 results will be within the top half of our target ranges for both adjusted operating profit margin and ME and T free cash flow. Our strong results continue to reflect the diversity of our end markets as well as the disciplined execution of our strategy for profitable growth. Now, I'll discuss our outlook for key end markets starting with Construction Industries. In North America, after a very strong 2023, we continue to expect demand in the region will remain healthy in 2024 for both non residential and residential construction. We anticipate non residential construction to remain at similar levels to slightly higher demand levels compared to last year due to construction projects as well as government related infrastructure.

Speaker 1

Residential construction demand is expected to be flat to slightly down versus last year, which remains strong in comparison to historical levels. In Asia Pacific, outside of China, we are seeing some softening in economic conditions. We anticipate demand in China will remain at a relatively low level for the above 10 ton excavator industry. In the EAME, we anticipate that weak economic conditions in Europe will continue, somewhat offset by strong construction activity in the Middle East. Construction activity in Latin America remains mixed, but overall we are expecting modest growth.

Speaker 1

In addition, we expect the ongoing benefit of our services initiatives will positively impact Construction Industries in 2024. Next, I'll discuss Resource Industries. After strong performance in 2023 in mining as well as heavy construction and quarry and aggregates, we anticipate lower machine volume versus last year, primarily due to off highway and articulated trucks. In addition, we anticipate a small decrease in resource industry dealer inventories during 2024 versus a slight increase last year. While we continue to see a high level of quoting activity overall, we anticipate lower order rates as customers display capital discipline.

Speaker 1

We expect to see higher services revenues, including robust rebuild activity. Customer product utilization remains high, the number of parked trucks remains low and the age of the fleet remains elevated and our autonomous solutions continue to see strong customer acceptance. We continue to believe the energy transition will support increased commodity demand over time, expanding our total addressable market and providing further opportunities for long term profitable growth. Moving to Energy and Transportation. In oil and gas, we expect reciprocating engines and services to be about flat after strong 2023 performance.

Speaker 1

We expect reciprocating gas compression demand to be higher in 2024 than it was in 2023, while servicing demand in North America is expected to soften. Cat reciprocating engine demand for power generation is expected to remain strong, largely due to continued data center growth relating to cloud computing and generative AI. Last quarter, I mentioned we are making a multiyear capital investment in our large reciprocating engine division, including increasing capacity for both new engines and aftermarket parts. This investment will approximately double output for large engines and aftermarket parts as compared to 2023. We leverage these large engines across a variety of applications, including data centers, oil and gas, large mining trucks and distributed power generation.

Speaker 1

For solar turbines, our backlog and quoting activity both remain strong for oil and gas and power generation. As we said previously, industrial demand is expected to soften relative to a strong 2023. In transportation, we anticipate high speed marine to increase as customers continue to upgrade aging fleets. Moving to slide 7, I'll provide an update on our sustainability journey. We are contributing to a reduced carbon future and continue to invest in new products, technologies and services to help our customers achieve their climate related objectives.

Speaker 1

In January, we announced the signing of an electrification strategic agreement with CRH to advance the deployment of Caterpillar's 0 exhaust emission solutions. CRH is the number one aggregates producer in North America and the 1st company in that industry to sign such an agreement with Caterpillar. The agreement is focused on accelerating the deployment of Caterpillar's 70 to 100 ton class battery electric off highway trucks and charging solutions at a CRH site in North America. Through the agreement, CRH will participate in Caterpillar's early learner program for battery electric off highway trucks. In February, Caterpillar Oil and Gas announced the launch of the Cat Hybrid Energy Storage Solution to help drillers and operators cut fuel consumption, lower total cost of ownership and reduce emissions in oil and gas operations.

Speaker 1

The custom designed energy storage system stores excess power from the job site and then discharges it as needed. In a hybrid system that combines the cat hybrid energy storage solution and the natural gas fuel generator set, the transient response is even quicker than in conventional diesel only rigs. Depending upon site configuration, the hybrid energy storage solution has proven to deliver up to 30% fuel cost savings with natural gas, 85% fuel cost savings with fuel gas and up to an 80% reduction in nitrogen oxides. Carbon dioxide equivalent reductions up to 11% 7% are possible with natural gas and field gas respectively. In addition, we look forward to issuing our 19th annual sustainability report in May.

Speaker 1

The material in our report reinforce our ongoing commitment to sustainability. With that, I'll turn it over to Andrew.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jim, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin by commenting on the Q1 results, including the performance of our segments. Then I'll discuss the balance sheet and ME and T free cash flow before concluding with a few comments on the full year and our assumptions for the Q2. Beginning on Slide 8, our operating performance was strong with both adjusted operating profit margin and adjusted profit per share being better than we had expected. Sales and revenues of $15,800,000,000 were about flat compared to the prior year, broadly in line with our expectations.

Speaker 2

Adjusted operating profit increased by 5% to $3,500,000,000 and the adjusted operating profit margin was 22.2%, an increase of 110 basis points versus the prior year, which was slightly better than we had expected. Profit per share was $5.75 in the Q1 compared to $3.74 in the Q1 of last year. Adjusted profit per share increased by 14% to $5.60 in the Q1 compared to $4.91 last year. Adjusted profit per share excluded net restructuring income of $0.15 per share. This compares to restructuring expense of $1.17 which was excluded in the Q1 of 2023.

Speaker 2

Other income of $156,000,000 for the quarter was higher than the Q1 of 2023 by $124,000,000 This primarily related to favorable MENT balance sheet translation. The provision for income taxes in the Q1, excluding discrete items, reflected a global annual effective tax rate of 22.5% compared with 23% in the Q1 of 2023. Included in profit per share and adjusted profit per share was a benefit of $38,000,000 or $0.08 for a discrete tax item related to stock based compensation. A comparable benefit of $32,000,000 or $0.06 per share was included in the Q1 of 2023. The year over year impact of a reduction in the number of shares, primarily due to share repurchases over the past year, had a favorable impact on adjusted profit per share of approximately $0.24 This included a favorable impact from the initial shares we received to the $3,500,000,000 accelerated share repurchase agreement that Jim mentioned earlier.

Speaker 2

Before I move on, you will have seen some additional detail on earnings release segment commentaries. We continue to highlight the primary drivers of year over year changes in sales and profit by segment as we have done previously. But in addition, we are now also quantifying those significant variances. You will also find some additional information on historical dealer inventory, including at the machines level in the appendix of today's slides. Moving to Slide 9, I'll discuss our top line results in the Q1.

Speaker 2

Sales remained about flat compared to the prior year as lower volumes largely offset by favorable price realization. The decline in volume was primarily due to lower sales to users. As Jim mentioned, the 5% decrease in sales to users was slightly more than our expectations, mainly driven by weakness in Europe for Construction Industries. Changes in total dealer inventories did not have a significant impact on sales as the increase of $1,400,000,000 in the quarter was similar to the increase last year. As Jim mentioned, the $1,100,000,000 increase in machines was slightly higher than we had anticipated, primarily as sales to users were modestly lower than we had expected.

Speaker 2

As compared to our expectations for the quarter, sales were broadly in line. Sales volume was slightly lower than we had anticipated, while price realization, including geographic mix, was better than we had expected. By segment, sales and construction industries were lower than we had anticipated, while sales in energy and transportation exceeded our expectations. Resource Industry sales were about in line. Moving to operating profit on Slide 10.

Speaker 2

First quarter operating profit increased by 29 percent to $3,500,000,000 As a reminder, the prior year included a $586,000,000 charge that rose from the divestiture of the company's longwall business. Adjusted operating profit increased by 5% to $3,500,000,000 Price realization benefited the quarter, while lower sales volume acted as a partial offset. The adjusted operating profit margin of 22.2% improved by 110 basis points versus the prior year. Margins were slightly better than we had anticipated, mainly due to favorable manufacturing costs as freight costs were lower than we had expected. Price, including a benefit from geographic mix, was also better than we had anticipated.

Speaker 2

Now on Slide 11, I'll review segment performance starting with Construction Industries. Sales decreased by 5% in the first quarter to $6,400,000,000 primarily due to lower sales volume, partially offset by favorable price realization. Sales were slightly lower than we had anticipated. Sales in North America increased by 6% in the quarter. In the EAME region, sales fell by 25% and in particular, Europe was lower than we had anticipated, impacted by weakness in residential construction and economic conditions.

Speaker 2

In Latin America, our sales decreased by 1%. In Asia Pacific, sales decreased by 14%. First quarter profit for Construction Industries was $1,800,000,000 a slight decrease versus the prior year. The decrease is mainly due to lower sales volume, partially offset favorable price realization and manufacturing costs. The segment's prop margin of 27.5% was an increase of 100 basis points versus the last year.

Speaker 2

This was better than we had expected due to favorable manufacturing costs, which largely reflected lower freight costs. Turning to Slide 12. Resource Industry sales decreased by 7% in the Q1 to $3,200,000,000 which was about in line with our expectations. The decrease was primarily due to lower sales volume, partially offset by favorable price realization. The decrease in sales volume was mainly driven by lower sales of equipment to end users, which Jim explained.

Speaker 2

1st quarter profit for Resource Industries decreased by 4% versus the prior year to $730,000,000 The decrease was mainly due to lower sales volume, partially offset by favorable price realization. The segment's margin of 22.9% was an increase of 60 basis points versus last year. This is better than we had expected on stronger price and favorable manufacturing costs, driven mainly by lower freight costs. Now on Slide 13. Energy and transportation sales increased by 7% in the Q1 to $6,700,000,000 The increase was primarily due to higher sales volume and favorable price.

Speaker 2

Sales were stronger than we had expected, mostly due to increased deliveries of large engines. By application, power generation sales increased by 26%, oil and gas sales improved by 19%, transportation sales were higher by 9%, while industrial sales decreased by 21%. 1st quarter profit of Energy and Transportation increased by 23% versus the prior year to $1,300,000,000 The increase was primarily due to favorable price realization. The segment's margin of 19.5% was an increase of 2 60 basis points versus the prior year. The margin was significantly stronger than we had anticipated due to lower than expected manufacturing costs, higher volume and better price.

Speaker 2

Moving to Slide 14. Financial Products revenues increased by 10% to $991,000,000 primarily due to higher average financing rates across all regions and higher average net earning assets in North America. Segment profit was strong, increasing by 26 percent to $293,000,000 The increase was mainly due to an insurance settlement and a favorable impact from equity securities. Our portfolio continues to perform well as past dues remain near historic lows at 1.78%, a 22 basis point improvement compared to the Q1 of 2023. This is the lowest Q1 past dues since 2006.

Speaker 2

In addition, the allowance rate was our lowest on record of 1.01%. Business activity remains strong as new business volume increased versus the prior year, primarily driven by North America. We continue to see strong demand for used equipment and inventories remain close to historically low levels, with just slight increases over recent quarters. Moving on to Slide 15. As Jim mentioned, our M E and T free cash flow remains strong.

Speaker 2

We generated $1,300,000,000 in the quarter after taking into account the $1,700,000,000 payments made for 2023 short term incentive compensation and CapEx spend of about $500,000,000 Spend for both short term incentive compensation and CapEx was higher than it was in the Q1 of 2023. For the full year, we expect to be in the top half of our M and T free cash flow target range, which correlates to between $7,500,000,000 $10,000,000,000 We still expect to spend between $2,000,000,000 $2,500,000,000 in CapEx and we will continue to prioritize investments around ACE, which is autonomy, alternative fuels, connectivity and digital and electrification. Moving to capital deployment. We continue to expect to return substantially all our ME and T free cash flow to shareholders over time through dividends and share repurchases. Of the record $5,100,000,000 of cash deployed in the Q1, share repurchase spend was $4,500,000,000 including the $3,500,000,000 accelerated share repurchase or ASR.

Speaker 2

The $3,500,000,000 were deployed in the Q1 and the ASR agreement may last for up to 9 months. The ASR provides us with favorable pricing as compared to shorter term ASRs, which we have carried out previously, which makes it more attractive. Price is finally determined relative to the volume weighted average price or VWAP over the duration of the agreement. Approximately 70% of the shares were delivered to the company upfront with the balance calculated when the agreement is terminated based on the actual average VWAP. As a reminder, our objective is to be in the market on a more consistent basis with share repurchases.

Speaker 2

So this is a great mechanism for us to use. As I mentioned, our balance sheet remains strong. We have ample liquidity with an enterprise cash balance of $5,000,000,000 and we hold an additional $2,200,000,000 in slightly longer dated liquid marketable securities to improve yields on that cash. Moving to Slide 16, I will share our high level assumptions for the full year. As compared to a quarter ago, our assumptions for the full year generally remain unchanged.

Speaker 2

On the top line, we anticipate broadly similar sales and revenues compared to the record 2023 level, consistent with what we mentioned last quarter. Although our top level sales expectations remain the same, segment inputs have shifted a bit. We now see a slightly stronger top line in Energy and Transportation after a strong Q1, while expectations have been tempered slightly in Construction Industries due to economic conditions in the European market. We continue to expect slightly favorable price realization versus the prior year. Our expectations on dealer inventory also remain unchanged.

Speaker 2

We currently do not expect a significant change in dealer inventory of machines in 2024 compared to a $700,000,000 increase in 2023. This is expected to be a headwind to sales. We also continue to anticipate another year of services growth across each of our primary segments as we strive to achieve our 2026 target of $28,000,000,000 in services revenues. At the segment level, we now expect construction industry sales to users to be slightly lower compared to 2023 due to the softer economic conditions in Europe. We expect demand in North America to remain at healthy levels as Jim discussed.

Speaker 2

We also anticipate changes in dealer inventory to act as a headwind to construction industry sales in 2024. We expect sales service revenues to be positive versus the prior year. In Resource Industries, we continue to expect lower sales impacted by lower machine volume primarily in off highway and articulated trucks where the comparison versus the prior year is challenging. We anticipate changes in dealer inventory to act as a headwind to sales in this segment as well. In Energy and Transportation, our 2024 sales expectations have increased slightly after the strong Q1.

Speaker 2

We continue to see strong demand for reciprocating engines in power generation as well as healthy order and quoting activity for solar turbines for both oil and gas and power generation. This supports our improved optimism for higher sales in energy and transportation in 2024. Also, as typical seasonality would suggest, we expect to see some sales ramp in Energy and Transportation as we move through the full year. On full year adjusted operating profit margin, we continue to expect to be in the top half of the margin target range at our expected sales levels. As I mentioned last quarter, we expect a relatively small pricing benefit to be weighted towards the first half of the year given carryover from increases in the second half of last year.

Speaker 2

We now expect flattish manufacturing costs this year versus the prior year as we anticipate more favorable freight costs, although unfavorable the unfavorable impact from cost absorption could act as a partial offset. As I mentioned a quarter ago, given better availability this year, we anticipate shipping a normal mix of products this year. We anticipate this dynamic may act as a slight headwind to margins. SG and A and R and D expenses are expected to ramp through the remainder of the year as we continue to invest in strategic initiatives aimed at future long term profitable growth. This will be offset by the benefit of lower short term incentive compensation.

Speaker 2

In addition, from a segment perspective, keep in mind that margins in Construction Industries tend to trend lower as the year progresses. Finally, we continue to anticipate restructuring costs of $300,000,000 to $450,000,000 a share and our expectation for annual effective tax rate, excluding discrete items, is now 22.5%. Now on Slide 17, I'll discuss our expectations for the Q2 starting with the top line. We expect lower sales in the Q2 compared to the prior year as we anticipate a headwind due to changes in dealer inventory of machines which will impact volumes. We expect dealer inventory machines to decline this quarter in line with normal seasonal trends versus the atypical $200,000,000 increase that occurred in the Q2 of 2023.

Speaker 2

However, we anticipate a continuation of healthy demand across most of our end markets for our products and services and prices expected to remain positive year over year. Following the typical seasonal pattern, we do expect higher sales in the 2nd quarter as compared to the first. By segment compared to the prior year, we anticipate lower sales in construction industries as we expect changes in dealer inventory to act as a headwind. Favorable price should that provide a partial offset. We expect lower sales in resource industries versus the prior year, driven by lower volume, partially offset by favorable price.

Speaker 2

In Energy and Transportation, we anticipate similar sales versus the prior year. On enterprise margins in the Q2, we expect the adjusted operating profit margin to be similar to the prior year and lower versus the Q1 following the typical seasonal pattern. As compared to the prior year, we expect that price will remain favorable from the continued carryover benefit from increases taken in the second half of twenty twenty three. We expect flattish manufacturing costs compared to the prior year as favorable freight is expected to offset the impacts of unfavorable cost absorption. We also anticipate an increase in SG and A and R and D expenses related to strategic investments, although this will be offset by lower short term incentive compensation.

Speaker 2

By segment, in both Construction Industries and Resource Industries, we expect similar margins in the 2nd quarter compared to the prior year as we expect favorable price to be offset by lower volume. In Energy and Transportation, we expect a higher margin versus the prior year on better price and favorable mix. Unfavorable manufacturing costs and SG and A and R and D spend related to strategic investments are expected to act as a partial offset in this segment. Note that we expect a headwind to enterprise margins and corporate costs in the quarter where we anticipate unfavorable year over year impacts from timing differences. So turning to Slide 18, let me summarize.

Speaker 2

The strong operating performance continued in this quarter with the adjusted operating profit margin at 22.2% and record adjusted profit per share of $5.60 We deployed a record $5,100,000,000 of cash per share and dividends in the quarter. Our assumptions for the full year remain similar and we expect to be in the top half of our target ranges for both adjusted operating profit margin and ME and T free cash flow. We continue to execute our strategy for long term profitable growth. And with that, we'll take your questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. We'll take our first question from Tammy Zakaria at JPMorgan.

Speaker 3

Hi, good morning. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Tami.

Speaker 3

Hi, how are you? So nice margin performance in the quarter, and hence my question is around margins you guided for the 2nd quarter. So if sales are expected to be lower year over year, I'm assuming volumes are down too. So what essentially would help margins remain relatively flattish? Is it price I know you mentioned some factors, but just wanted more color.

Speaker 3

Is it price cost? Is it some cost savings initiatives? Or is it something else that's going on? So any color there would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Yes. So at the moment, there are two factors. 1, which is obviously price will still be positive in the Q2, and that will help overall margins and will help to offset the impact of lower volume. Also, we do expect to see some flattening of manufacturing costs versus the prior year, mostly because of freight. We would expect the benefit of lower freight costs to offset the impact of cost absorption, which may occur in the quarter.

Speaker 2

So those are 2 factors. And then we will expect the increase in investments we're making behind our strategic investments in SG and A and R and D to be offset by lower short term incentive compensation expense. So those are all the moving parts. But overall, as we said, we expect margins to be about flat year over year in the Q2 versus Q2 of 2023.

Operator

We'll move next to Michael Feniger at Bank of America.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks for taking my question. I know you're guiding Q2 sales to be lower year over year and the full year would be broadly similar. So maybe you could give us some context of what's driving that second half, that slight pickup? Is it deliveries in a certain market like ENT?

Speaker 4

And is your expectations that end user dealer retail sales, which pulled back in Q1, do you think that's the low point for the year and that starts to improve through the year to match that full year guide? Any context there would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Yes. So overall, as we've said, really what's happening in Q2 is principally the impact on lower volume will be around the impact of dealer inventory movements, particularly on the machine side. Last year, as I said, we actually had a very atypical build in the Q2. As you know, the historic trend is always during selling season to see, particularly on the CI side, dealer inventory to decrease. So that was really the main driver.

Speaker 2

Overall, as we've indicated for the year, we still expect healthy North America in CI. We do have some impact now on Europe. That means we now expect CI's STUs to be slightly lower year over year. We are seeing that offset though by expected sales growth in Energy and Transportation, where we're seeing more positivity than we've seen. As far as STUs are concerned, obviously, the Q1 was impacted by those principally the European conditions, which we mentioned a moment ago.

Speaker 2

Overall, we're still very comfortable that the overall guide we made for the year, which is sales and revenues will be broadly flat with 20 23.

Operator

We'll move to our next question from Jamie Cook at Truist Securities.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning, everyone. Nice quarter. Jim, I guess my question, under your leadership, I think the earnings power of Caterpillar has far exceeded anyone's expectation and a lot of that was driven by the O and E business model and your focus on profitable growth. At the same time, you're allocating cap you've been allocating capital to higher return products, right? That's part of the strategy.

Speaker 5

At the same time, you're talking about doubling, I think you said your large engine capacity to meet demand for data centers. And this is now your lower at this point, it's your lower margin segment. So I guess understanding right now within ENT, we have investment in segments, in particular given where construction margins are right now? I'm just wondering if the market under appreciates where E and T margins can go given the capacity additions you're talking about? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Jamie, it's a good question. One of the things to keep in mind is that many of the investments we're making electrification in other areas, the costs are absorbed in energy and transportation. So that's one of the things that has an impact on the margin of the total segment. And as you quite rightly mentioned, we're very focused on investing in areas that represent the best opportunities for future profitable growth. And as we look at the margin opportunities around large engines, that's certainly an area that very much deserves our investment in both capital and expense and management attention as well.

Speaker 1

So certainly, as you know, our primary measure of profitable growth is absolute OPEC dollars and we're trying to increase that. Having said that, we provided our margin targets and we said we'd be in the upper half of the range. But again, we're investing in areas that represent very good opportunities for profitable growth and that includes large engines. So I'm not saying that margins won't come up in ENT. Again, the one thing to keep in mind here is that a lot of costs go into that segment that really benefit some of the other segments.

Operator

We'll move next to David Raso at Evercore ISI.

Speaker 6

Hi, thank you for the time. I think some of the concern around the second half of the year sales having to be positive to offset the first half being down. It'd be helpful if you can give us a little sense of the implied orders for the quarter actually did turn a slightly positive year over year. Can you give us any color that you can around sort of what moved in the backlog sequentially, E and T, CI, RI, just so we can get a sense of was the order improvement year over year solely E and T? Was there any order improvement year over year in RI and CI just to maybe build more confidence in the second half of the year sales growth?

Speaker 6

And of course, any color around some of the E and T orders? You get the impression some are very long dated orders. Just trying to get a sense of that order flow in ENT, how soon can those orders show up in revenues? Thank you.

Speaker 1

So David, let me ask the last part of your question first. So in terms of ENT, about 80% of our total cat backlog is expected to be sold within 12 months. And we don't put orders into the we don't put things into the backlog unless we have a firm customer order. So we work really closely with our customers as an example with customers that are looking for large engines for data centers and we have a sense going out multiple years of what it is they want. But we don't put any of that into the backlog until they give us a firm order.

Speaker 1

So it doesn't our backlog doesn't go out as far as you might think. So I'll start with that and then I'll turn it over to Andrew for the first part of your question.

Speaker 2

Yes. And Dave, your fact on the implied order rate is correct. Yes, the implied orders are up year over year. Obviously, that is one of the factors which gives us confidence as we look out and also relative strength of the backlog gives us a lot of confidence within the business lines where they are. As regards to backlog, obviously most of the increase has been in A and T as you would expect given that those are the businesses now which are showing more strength relatively versus CI and RI.

Speaker 2

And that just is reflected in that order positioning as we go out.

Operator

We'll go next to Robert Theimer at Melius Research.

Speaker 7

Hi. My question is around Katz capabilities in power gen and data centers and so forth and how that may or may not be changing with the rise of AI and kind of massive increases in scale of data centers. Then I can ask specifically, I understand that your investment in large research is probably partially targeted at that. My impression is that historically, solar turbines were more combined heat and power and power gen. I don't know whether they've served the data center market.

Speaker 7

I'm curious as to whether you now have an opportunity as those data centers are bigger to sell turbines into it and just your general sense of how the world is changing in Nevada? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Rob. And we are very excited about the what we view as a secular growth opportunity around data centers, both in terms of increasing base power loads, but also the specific opportunities to serve those data centers. So as you probably know, traditionally, we have provided reciprocating generator sets as backup for those data centers. But what you say is very correct that business is changing. And I believe that we are uniquely positioned because we have a combination of both gas turbines and resurface that burn a whole variety of fuels.

Speaker 1

And so we have had some projects now where we've shipped gas turbines to provide prime power for data centers because in some places when data centers want to go into a geographic area, the utility can't handle the load of those. And when in fact there's natural gas available, we've seen situations where a customer will take gas turbines, install those, burn natural gas to produce their own base power for the data centers. In addition to that then, there's also the reciprocating engine gensets as backup if something were to happen. But typically, again, we are seeing a change. You're right, the market's changing and we're very excited about that opportunity.

Operator

We'll move to our next question from Chad Dillard at Bernstein.

Speaker 8

Hi, good morning guys.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Chad.

Speaker 8

Good morning. So my question for you is on ENT. Just trying to understand where the lead times are, what the lead times are specifically in Polygen? And then, just like how long it will take to get your capacity expansion online and just how to think about just like when you can actually ramp the revenues there?

Speaker 1

Yes. So we're starting to make again, we started to make those capacity investments in those that capacity is expected to ramp up over the next 4 years. So it's gradually phased in. So that will happen over a 4 year period. In terms of E and T, obviously, I mentioned that solar turbines has strong quotation and order activity as well.

Speaker 1

So they and they have the ability certainly to increase their production. So again, the capacity in large engines, the investments that we specifically mentioned is expected to gradually phase up over the next 4 years.

Speaker 2

Yes. And just a quick point to make, obviously, PowerGen is the fastest growing business today within energy and transportation, just to note. And actually as a percentage of E and T sales, it has gone up from 25% in the Q1 of last year to 29% this year. So it is an area of exciting opportunity even before we build the capacity and obviously an area where there's potential for further growth as well.

Speaker 1

And maybe just want to add on, one of the beauties about our business model, we're making this capacity investment in large engines, but those large engines just don't have the ability to serve the power generation market. I mean, they serve a whole variety of markets. So those same large engines are used for oil and gas. They're used for large mining trucks. They're used for data center backup, but we also believe there's an opportunity over time for distributed generation as well.

Speaker 1

So again, we're making this capital investment not just based on one opportunity in the marketplace, but upon multiple opportunities different industries. And again, we think that diversity of our end market opportunities is one that really makes us an excellent investment.

Operator

And we'll move to our next question from Jerry Revich at Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 9

Yes. Hi, good morning, everyone.

Speaker 10

Good morning, Jerry.

Speaker 9

Jim, Andrew, I wonder if you could just talk about in Construction Industries. In prior cycles, the industry has passed through lower input costs in terms of lower prices to customers when input costs have declined. In the Q1, we saw a nice price cost spread on the positive side for you folks here. I'm wondering to what extent do you think for you folks in the industry could we see that price cost gap continue to widen since the industry has taken a more disciplined approach in cutting production sooner relative to the soft spot that you mentioned in your prepared remarks?

Speaker 2

Yes. So Jerry, as we've indicated, obviously, price has been favorable, but we expect the benefit of favorable price to moderate as the year progresses. And that obviously holds true for CI as it does for the other segments. And that really will obviously mean that the benefits on margin expansion will become much, much tougher for CI as particularly as you get into the second half of the year where you won't see that spread. We do see manufacturing costs being broadly flattish and part of the reason for that is because of the favorability of freight, which is more than offsetting the impact of cost absorption.

Speaker 2

So overall, we've obviously taken the approach that where we have got the benefit of price, we will obviously be trying to hold that as best as we can. Obviously. And we've been, as you rightly point out, been pretty disciplined about making sure that we have cut production, like for example in the excavators that you saw in the Q4 where we do see softness or weakness in the market.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Steven Volkmann at Jefferies.

Speaker 11

Great. Good morning, guys. I'm wondering if we could tack back to the dealer inventory commentary. I want to make sure I understand that right because that seems to be a bit of a focus for the market this morning. I think if I'm not mistaken that the dealers did build a little more than you expected in the Q1.

Speaker 11

I'm curious why that might be. And if you can provide some sense of how much of that total $1,400,000 kind of has a customer name on it. And I guess the bottom line is, why don't you worry that that's kind of inventory build that sort of makes things less bullish going forward? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes. The reason dealer inventory increased a bit more than we expected is primarily due to the softness in European construction. It was that really is the reason for that build in dealer inventory. Dealer inventory is well within our typical range, comfortably within our what we consider a typical range. So we are not concerned about it.

Speaker 2

And just the other bit of granularity which we tried to give and just to is about splitting out between machine and dealer inventory and dealer inventory as a whole, principally because obviously in energy and transportation. It is most of that inventory as we said previously and also within resource industries over 70% of that is backed by firm customer orders. It's not really inventory sitting on a dealer's lot waiting. Often it's sitting getting ready for a commissioning and that is part of the reason for that. Overall, as Jim reiterated and just to reiterate, we are comfortably within the range on machine dealer inventory.

Speaker 2

We do expect for the year that inventory level to really be flat year over year. That's our expectation of the planning assumption at the moment.

Operator

We'll move to our next question from Mig Dobre at Baird.

Speaker 12

Yes. Thank you. Good morning. Hi. Maybe we can talk a little bit about Resource Industries.

Speaker 12

I guess one of the things that stood out to me was the pretty significant decline in dealer deliveries in this segment. And I'm curious in mining specifically, what's going on there? Are you actually starting to see maybe a pullback in demand from your customers? Is the investment cycle maturing there or is this just sort of a temporary aberration?

Speaker 1

Yes. So we had expected some softness certainly in RI this year and we talked about that, I believe in our Q1 call. So a number of things. First of all, on the positive side, the number of parked trucks, there's some indices that we look at to really judge the health of the mining industry. And so some positives, the number of parked trucks is relatively low.

Speaker 1

The utilization of our customers' products of our products by our customers is high and the age of the fleet is relatively elevated. So those are positive things. Having said that, our customers are displaying capital discipline, not surprising just given what's happened in economic conditions around the world, but those indices really do bode well for us. And in addition to that, we've seen great strength, great acceptance of our autonomous solutions. So those have been accepted well also.

Speaker 1

We expect robust rebuild activity this year because our products are being used so extensively by our customers. So again, really, I think it's just really mostly a function of a bit of a dealer inventory change and also our customers displaying capital discipline.

Speaker 2

Yes. And just to add to that a little bit, just to remind you that the Q1 of 2023 was very strong and actually the highest level of STUs in Resource Industries for over 10 years at the time. So that was a significant factor. Secondly, as we talked about, there are 2 product lines where because of supply chain, there was a backlog which was used up principally in 2023 off highway trucks and also articulated trucks. Just as an FYI, large mining trucks are still growing, which I know is one of the factors that many of you look at.

Speaker 2

So there is no issue there at all with that regards to that.

Speaker 1

And again, you think about just the market changing, we're still very bullish on the fact longer term that we believe the energy transition will support increased commodity demand over time. That will total addressable market and provide us further opportunities for long term profitable growth. Just think about everything that has to happen for EVs. There's no way around that being accomplished without our customers producing more commodities and of course they use our products to produce those additional commodities.

Operator

We'll go next to Angel Castillo at Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 10

Hi, good morning and thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to clarify going back to North America CI in the second quarter, you talked about seeing continued kind of healthy demand there. But just wanted to clarify, as we think about kind of dealer inventories coming down in the second quarter and you also have a little bit of tougher comps there as you think about retail sales. When we kind of look at retail sales for the Q2 of this year, just to clarify, is that expected to be still positive? Or do you expect that to turn kind of modestly negative?

Speaker 10

And as you kind of talk about that and provide more color on that, could you also talk about what you're seeing in April in terms of kind of quarter to date trends in retail sales?

Speaker 2

Yes. As I think we've indicated, overall, for the full year, we expect CI overall CI revenues to be STUs to be slightly negative for the full year. 1st quarter at January, we said we thought they would be about flat for the full year. So that does imply some acceleration through the year in order to get back to that sort of to be just slightly negative. With regards to trends in April, look, we're not going to talk about what's happening.

Speaker 2

I mean, as is always the case, quarter on quarter, you see changes, which can relate to commissioning

Speaker 1

and all sorts of number of factors, but we're comfortable with our full year forecast for CI. And North America is our strongest largest geographic area for CI. And as we said earlier, we certainly expect demand in North America to remain healthy. We've got we expect it to be flat to slightly higher in non residential, flat to slightly down. So again, in that North American market, which is so important to us, our business continues to be strong.

Operator

Our next question comes from Kristen Owen at Oppenheimer.

Speaker 13

Great. Thank you for taking the question. I wanted to ask about capital allocation here, just given the ASR that you put in place. You've bought back more shares than historically you do in a year. I appreciate that that is in line with the M and T free cash flow deployment, but your stock is also at all time high.

Speaker 13

So just wondering how we should think about intrinsic value at this stage and how to weigh that ASR versus say dividend increase?

Speaker 2

Yes. So obviously, as you know, we have both a dividend policy as well as a share buyback policy. As far as the dividend is concerned, we have 1 more year of our high single digits. That's a Board decision, which will probably be made around June time. And then after that, we'll probably come back and look at what the future policy will be.

Speaker 2

Remember, the objective is to pay out no more than 60% to 65% of free cash flow in a low environment for the dividend. So that will be part of our that comes into part of the policy and the way we look at that. With regards to intrinsic value, obviously, as is always the case, yes, we do take into account intrinsic value and that's been made that decision has been made as part of the longer term ASR, obviously. But remind you that the benefit of the ASR is really around the fact that you are in the market more consistently. We don't try market time.

Speaker 2

We are really just trying to be in the market consistently to return that cash to shareholders. Overall, we believe that's the best approach, but we're very comfortable with putting that in place.

Speaker 1

Audra, we have time for one more question.

Operator

Thank you. That question comes from Nicole DeBlase at Deutsche Bank.

Speaker 14

Yes, thanks. Good morning, guys. I also wanted to focus on CI. So a lot of discussion obviously about Europe kind of being problem child this quarter. I guess, are you guys seeing as you kind of progress through the quarter, some signs of stabilization or is there a risk that Europe could still get worse?

Speaker 14

And then I guess also like with dealer inventories being up and that being the driver, Are you concerned about the level of dealer inventories in Europe CI specifically? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes. Firstly, as I mentioned earlier, we are we believe the dealer inventory is comfortably within what we would consider the typical range. When we think about EAME, we talked about construction weakness in Europe, but also there's strength in the Middle East, a lot of construction activity in the Middle East. So again, that provides a bit of a buffer there to the total EMEA region. And again, I keep coming back to North American as our largest most important region for CI and the fact that non residential construction is underpinned by those government infrastructure projects, which again is a very positive thing for us.

Speaker 1

So I think it's an important thing to keep in mind as you think

Speaker 12

about CI.

Speaker 1

All right. Well, again, thank you for joining us, and we certainly appreciate all your questions. I'd like to just by close by thanking our global team for their strong performance in the Q1, including higher adjusted operating profit margin, record adjusted profit per share and strong M and T free cash flow. Our strong results continue to reflect the diversity of our end markets as well as the disciplined A replay

Speaker 9

of

Speaker 1

our call will be available online later this morning. We'll A replay of our call will be available online later this morning. We'll also post a transcript on our Investor Relations website as soon as it's available. You'll also find our Q1 results video with our CFO and an SEC filing with our sales users data. Click on investors.

Speaker 1

Caterpillar.com and then click on Financials to view those materials. If you have any questions, please reach out to Rob or me. Now let's turn the call back to Audra to conclude our call.

Operator

Thank you. And that does conclude our call. Thank you for joining. You may all now disconnect.

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