Tutor Perini Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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April 25, 2024

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Tudor Preme Corporation First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Maria, and I'll be your coordinator for today. All participants are currently in a listen only mode. Following management's prepared remarks, we will be opening the call for a question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded for replay purposes.

Operator

I will now turn the conference over to your host for today, Mr. Jorge Casado, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please proceed.

Speaker 1

Hello, everyone, and thank you for your interest and participation. With us today are Ronald Tutor, Chairman and CEO Gary Smalley, President and Ryan Soroka, Senior Vice President and CFO. Before we discuss our results, I will remind everyone that during today's call, we will be making forward looking statements, which are based on management's current assessment of existing trends and information. There is an inherent risk that our actual results could differ materially. You can find our disclosures about risk factors that could potentially contribute to such differences in our Form 10 ks, which we filed on February 28, 2024, and in the Form 10 Q that we are filing today.

Speaker 1

The company assumes no obligation to update forward looking statements whether due to new information, future events or otherwise, other than as required by law. Thank you. And I will now turn the call over to Ronald Tutor.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jorge. Good day and thank you for joining us. We delivered a very good first quarter result that exceeded our expectations and demonstrates that we are on track for double digit revenue growth and a return to profitability in 2024 just as we had indicated in our earnings call last quarter. Our Q1 results featured 35% consolidated revenue growth, strong profitability with operating margins of 15% and 3.9% for our Civil and Building segments, respectively, and $0.30 of diluted earnings per share, which was especially strong given the typical seasonality of our business. Backlog grew 26% year over year and continues to be very healthy at $10,000,000,000 and perhaps most impressively very strong operating cash flow of $98,000,000 for the quarter.

Speaker 2

The 2nd highest operating cash flow result of any first quarter since the 2,008 merger between Tudor Saliba and Pirinikorp. Ryan will discuss all the financial details a bit later. Importantly, as previously announced, we recently completed a successful debt refinancing, which strengthened our balance sheet and will extend our debt maturities. We issued $400,000,000 of new senior notes due in 2029, which combined with $100,000,000 of available cash on hand to reduce the prior note, they will be used to redeem the 500,000,000 of senior notes due in 2025. In conjunction with our refinancing, we also amended our credit agreement, which will become effective upon the redemption of our existing senior notes, extending the maturity of our revolving credit facility by approximately 2 years.

Speaker 2

After we redeem our existing senior notes next week, we will have reduced our total debt by nearly $200,000 excuse me, dollars 200,000,000 since the end of last year and even more including the Q4 of 2023. The continued reduction of debt will be our focus with the strong cash flow expected during the rest of 2024 and even 2025. We continue to make good progress on resolving various disputed matters in the Q1, which contributed about half of the outstanding operating cash that we generated. We still expect to resolve most of the remaining disputes and collect substantial amounts of associated cash this year with a lesser amount of resolves expected to be finalized in 2025. The dispute resolution activity is expected to help drive operating cash flow for both 2024 2025 and 2025, and we expect them to be as strong as 2023's record cash performance.

Speaker 2

As I mentioned, our first quarter backlog was $10,000,000,000 up a solid 26% year over year. The most significant new awards and contract adjustments in the Q1 include a $243,000,000 health care project in California, the $73,000,000 Project Titan Hangar III project in Florida, dollars 66,000,000 of additional funding for several healthcare projects in California, dollars 55,000,000 for 3 U. S. Navy projects in Diego Garcia for Black Construction, and $52,000,000 of additional funding for 3 mass transit projects in California. We still anticipate that our backlog will grow significantly later this year and in 2025.

Speaker 2

As we bid and win our share of the major volume of available project opportunities, we have discussed in recent quarters, which are supported by the bipartisan infrastructure bill as well as strong state and local funding. Our most significant near term prospects include the $550,000,000 Raritan Bridge we were low bidder on previously, which is now rebidding in the next 60 days the $6,000,000,000 dry dock project at the Naval Shipyard in the State of Washington, which I believe is going to be broken up into 4 to 6 projects less in magnitude, but able to be bid on separately. The multi $1,000,000,000 Manhattan Jail Facility, the $2,000,000,000 Honolulu Rail Transit Project, which for which we had been again previously the low bidder to be rejected over lack of funding the $1,800,000,000 South Jersey Light Rail Camden line in New Jersey, the $1,500,000,000 Newark Airtrain replacement project, again another project we were previously low bidder that the unable the owner was unable to award due to budget constraints. That project is now bidding in August. The $1,200,000,000 Inglewood Transit Connector project in Southern California bidding in June.

Speaker 2

The $800,000,000 Kensico Eastview $1,000,000 $750,000,000 Palisades in Manhattan Tunnels in New Jersey and New York bidding this summer. We anticipate positive earnings for 2024 again with significantly stronger earnings expected in 20252026. Based on our results to date this year, our assessment of the current market and business outlook and to maintain adequate contingency. In the event of unforeseen events, we are affirming our 2024 EPS guidance and still expect EPS to be in the range of $0.85 to $1.10 As in prior years, our earnings are expected to be weighted more heavily in the second half of the year due to the anticipated timing of large project activities as well as typical seasonality. Thank you.

Speaker 2

And with that, I'll turn the call over to Ryan to view the financial results.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Ron, and good afternoon, everyone. As Ron mentioned, we're off to a great start in 2024 with excellent Q1 results that exceeded our expectations. Our ongoing focus on dispute resolutions and cash generation helped us to achieve very strong operating cash flow of $98,300,000 in the first quarter, the 2nd highest Q1 result we have had since 2008. Approximately $50,000,000 of this cash was associated with collections related to settlements and other dispute resolutions. And these resolutions collectively resulted in essentially no impact to earnings in the Q1.

Speaker 3

We expect strong cash flows will continue to be enhanced this year and next year by the anticipated resolutions of various remaining disputes. And beyond that, our cash generation should remain solid, driven by increased project execution activities. I'm pleased with our recently completed debt refinancing, which strengthened our balance sheet and will extend our debt maturities by enabling us to redeem $500,000,000 of existing senior notes due in 2025 and replace them with $400,000,000 of new senior notes due in 2029 $100,000,000 of cash that we've been accumulating. We also amended our credit agreement and upon the upcoming redemption of our existing senior notes next week, the maturity of our revolving credit facility will be extended to 2027. It's also worth noting our new senior notes have 2 years of call protection.

Speaker 3

As Ron indicated, our near term focus will remain on reducing debt by paying down and eventually paying off our term loan B, which we are not restricted in prepaying. Now let's discuss our P and L results. Revenue for the Q1 of 2024 was $1,050,000,000 up 35% compared to $776,000,000 for the same quarter last year. The strong growth was primarily driven by increased activities on the California High Speed Rail project, the Brooklyn Jail Project in New York and the LAX Airport Metro Connector Project in California. Civil segment revenue for the Q1 of 2024 was $472,000,000 up 35% compared to the Q1 last year, primarily due to some of the factors I just mentioned, as well as increased activities on Frontier Kemper's Eagle Mountain Gas Pipeline project in British Columbia.

Speaker 3

Building segment revenue was $412,000,000 up 79% year over year also driven by certain aforementioned factors and increased activities on a healthcare project in California. The strong growth we had in the Civil and Building segment was partially offset by a 16% decline in Specialty Contractor segment, with the Specialty segment reporting revenue of $165,000,000 for the Q1 of 2024. The segment's revenue decline was mainly due to reduced activities on an industrial facility project in Arizona and the electrical and mechanical components of a completed transportation project in the Northeast. Income from construction operations was $49,000,000 for the Q1 of 2024 compared to an $82,000,000 loss for the same quarter last year. The significant improvement was largely due to the absence of certain prior year unfavorable adjustments as well as contributions related to the increased activity as I mentioned on certain Civil and Building segment projects.

Speaker 3

We had a couple of project adjustments that largely offset each other in the Q1 of 2024, but impacted margins for the Civil and Specialty Contractors segment. A favorable adjustment of $10,000,000 on a civil segment mass transit project in California related to a dispute resolution and associated expected cost savings. And an unfavorable adjustment of $12,000,000 on a completed specialty contractor segment project in New York due to an arbitration ruling that provided us with only a partial award. Civil segment income from construction operations for the Q1 of 2024 was $71,000,000 up substantially compared to $18,000,000 in the Q1 of last year. The Civil segment's corresponding operating margin was 15% for the Q1 of 2024, higher than our target margin range for that segment.

Speaker 3

Building segment income from construction operations was 16,000,000 a significant improvement compared to the substantial loss of $70,000,000 we recorded in the Q1 last year that had been largely attributable to an adverse legal ruling that quarter on a completed mixed use project in New York. Building segment operating margin was 3.9% in the Q1 of 2024, also nicely ahead of our target margin range for the segment. The Specialty Contractors segment posted a loss from construction operations of 18,000,000 dollars in the Q1 of 2024 compared to a loss of $12,000,000 for the Q1 of last year, mostly due to the $12,000,000 charge I mentioned this quarter as well as an immaterial unfavorable adjustment due to a settlement on a completed mass transit project in California. We expect improved performance from the Specialty Contractors segment over the rest of this year and are optimistic that the segment will be profitable by the end of 2024. Corporate G and A expense was $20,000,000 in the Q1 of 2024 compared to $16,000,000 last year, with the increase primarily due to higher compensation related expenses, mainly attributable to higher share based compensation expense on liability classified awards resulting from the impact of the notable increase in our stock price in the Q1 of 2024.

Speaker 3

Other income was $5,000,000 compared to $6,000,000 last year. Interest expense for the Q1 was $19,000,000 this year compared to $22,000,000 last year, with the decrease driven by the absence of borrowings on our revolver and a lower balance on our term loan B, primarily resulting from the $91,000,000 prepayment we made in February. Income tax expense was $7,000,000 in the Q1 of 2024 with a corresponding effective tax rate of 21% compared to an income tax benefit of $48,000,000 with an effective tax rate of 49.6% for the same quarter last year. As a reminder, the net operating losses we generated in 20222023 will help reduce our cash outlays for income taxes in 2024 and in future years. Net income attributable to Tutor Perini for the Q1 of 2024 was $16,000,000 or $0.30 of diluted earnings per share compared to a net loss of $49,000,000 or a loss of 0.95 dollars per share in the Q1 of 2023.

Speaker 3

As Ron mentioned, we still anticipate double digit revenue growth and a return to positive earnings in 2024 with substantially stronger earnings expected in 20252026. Now I'll address the balance sheet. Our total debt as of March 31, 2024 was $801,000,000 down $99,000,000 or 11% compared to $900,000,000 as of December 31, 2023. Our total debt will come down by another $100,000,000 next week with the redemption of our existing senior notes. As of March 31, 2024, we were in compliance with the covenants under our credit agreement and expect to continue to be in compliance in the future.

Speaker 3

And finally, as Ron mentioned, we are maintaining our 2024 EPS guidance in the range of $0.85 to $1.10 Despite our strong Q1 results, we want to maintain adequate contingency in our guidance to cover potential unforeseen events

Speaker 4

that could

Speaker 3

impact us this year. Accordingly, all the assumptions regarding our guidance that we provided last quarter remain unchanged. Thank you. And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Ron.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ryan. And at the risk of being repetitive, I'll recap our Q1 highlights in that we delivered strong revenue growth and profitability, particularly in our Civil business and secondarily our Building segments, again reporting $0.30 a share of earnings and $98,000,000 of strong operating cash flow. We continue to expect our operating cash flow will be strong in 2024 and 2025 as we continue to resolve the remainder of our remaining legacy disputes and collect a substantial associated cash. We are on track to deliver double digit revenue growth and return to positive full year earnings in 2024 and anticipate significantly higher in 2025 and 2026. Our backlog should grow significantly this year and next as we continue to bid and win our share of the large volume of major near term opportunities with extremely limited competition in the mega project arena.

Speaker 2

Lastly, as expected, we successfully completed our debt refinancing earlier. And with that, I'll turn the call over to the operator for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer Our first question comes from Alex Rygiel with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Ron, Gary and team, nice quarter. A couple of quick questions here. First, Ron, you mentioned a number of these large prospects you were rebidding. Can you talk a little bit about historically what is your success rate in winning those rebids when you had already won sort of the 1st round?

Speaker 2

Well, those happen so seldom. I can't give you a long history, but let's just say we're very confident on the rebid with the lack of competition and the limited competitors.

Speaker 4

And then as it relates to and this is more for Ryan. Ryan, the Civil margins in the Q1 were very strong. You mentioned a number of things on the call here, but can you kind of just identify the one time items that might have influenced the strength in the Q1?

Speaker 3

Sure. As I mentioned, and we have it disclosed in Form 10Q as well, there was a $10,000,000 favorable impact to the Q1 related to a resolution on a civil segment project here in LA.

Speaker 2

As well as

Speaker 4

Excellent. And then, can you help us a little bit with regards to interest expense guidance for the Q2 and for the full year?

Speaker 5

Yes.

Speaker 3

At this point, we're continuing to maintain our guidance for the year related to interest expense. With the refinancing, there'll be less debt outstanding, but also at a different rate.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Steven Fisher with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Thanks. Good afternoon and nice to see the Q1 profitability there. Just to follow-up on Alex's question on the Civil segment. If you back out the $10,000,000 you're just a hair under 13% margin in the Q1 in that business. So I guess I'm just kind of curious to how we think about the go forward there.

Speaker 6

Is the backlog that you have today kind of supportive on an underlying basis of that level of margin? Or is it still going to kind of fluctuate around within a fairly wide range over the next few quarters?

Speaker 7

Hey Steve, this is Gary. Yes, look, the nearly 13%, that's pretty much what we're expecting for the rest of the year. Historically, we've been in the 8% to 12% band and we've been signaling for a while that we're going to be north of the 12%. The work that we have in backlog, we like the quality of earnings in that work. There's a lot of strong margin work there.

Speaker 7

So I think that's a pretty good proxy of how the rest of the year should play out.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, Gary. And then on the specialty side of the business, I guess you adjust for the $12,000,000 right? And you mentioned you're still not quite profitable there, but I know you said by the end of the year, I guess, what is still keeping the specialty business from being profitable in the next couple of quarters?

Speaker 6

Is it more under utilization or is it more mix still of some of these legacy projects or something else?

Speaker 7

Yes. So it's still there's still some underutilization there. You're spot on. But what we're still facing and what we had in the quarter was really some of these legacy items, just the quarter being weighed down, limited by that. And we were into the, we'll say, subsequent event period and it looked like we were pretty much on budget at the time.

Speaker 7

But some of the resolution activity and then the result of one of the cases that dragged us down a little bit. So absent of that, even with the underutilization, especially in New York with the volume being somewhat low at this point, we had a pretty good quarter. So I think it's if you focus on litigation and, resolution items, that's really the big risk that we're seeing right now. Okay.

Speaker 6

And then just a follow-up on the cadence of the year. I think Ron mentioned that it's more earnings more heavily weighted to the second half, but you did have a much better than probably typical seasonality in the Q1. So if we take those two things together, that might imply a fairly weak Q2, but then you did say that we should still expect 13% or so margins on the Civil business. So does that just point to basically taking a pretty conservative approach to guidance here for the year leading to potential upside? Or is there something in the second quarter that we should just be aware of to set our expectations properly around Q2?

Speaker 2

There's nothing in the second quarter. The reason we're hedging and the reason we're taking the positions that we are, We have collected a significant amount of money. I've said time and again 2025 will be a year of settlement and collections of monies people owe us, but it's also forced us to litigate through the conclusion and we settled major cases. So there's always a variable and an uncertainty. I don't have any uncertainties about operating earnings of any of the divisions.

Speaker 2

I think they're stable and Civil is terrific. However, the only issues and it's obvious if our Q1 is always our worst quarter and we got 0.30 dollars a share in earnings, you think we'd be predicting significantly higher for the rest of the year. However, this is, as I've said time and again, this is the year of all our owners come to Jesus. All of the settlements and litigations, 90% of them come to fruition this year. Most of them we win, on occasion we lose.

Speaker 2

That's the only uncertainty that's involved in this year and we've treated our projections accordingly. That's why we've significantly increased our thoughts about 2025 and 26 because we expect this litigation to be primarily behind

Speaker 6

us. Sounds good. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Abe Landa with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Hi, this is Ethan Kalis on for Abe Landa. I guess just first off, congrats on getting the refinancing done. That's terrific. Our first question kind of focuses on BIE. I think in the past you provided a 10% to 12% number of sales.

Speaker 5

That number is super helpful. I guess what's the right way to think about what normalized DIE is? Is it percentage of sales or maybe a percentage of backlog? Any color there would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Well, I've quoted in the past that I think a company of our size, assuming $5,000,000,000 to $6,000,000,000 in revenue is going to generate anywhere from 5% to 7%. And you can expect $300,000,000 to $400,000,000 of CIE in various stages of disputes being resolved, but should reside in that category. And that's our goal sometime in 2000 by the end of 'twenty five, no earlier than the Q1 of 2020 6 to get well within that range and with any good fortune and no further delays in litigation by the Q1 of 2025. So that's normally because there are certain disputes, although we are negotiating in good faith and ultimately resolve them without the benefit of lawyers or litigation. They oftentimes take 6 months to a year of informal discussions between the principles of Tutor Perini and the principles of the owner.

Speaker 2

So those go into CIE, but the object is not to litigate, but to resolve amicably. So there's always going to be a certain amount and I've said previously and I'll restate, if we could expect $300,000,000 to $400,000,000 of CAIE is reasonable, if we get much more than that then that isn't positive. And we've had years where it was less than $100,000,000 But that's what I would give as guidance.

Speaker 5

Awesome. That's super helpful. And I guess just turning to the liability side, is there a normalized level for the billings in excess?

Speaker 2

Whatever we can.

Speaker 3

So just kind of looking forward, we've been targeting something in the mid teens, just based on the types of projects that we're bidding and the focus on these large complex fixed price projects?

Speaker 2

Essentially what we do, we've taken a position with all our owners in an absolute mode and pre bid discussions so that we change contracts. We tell them we don't finance our work, they do. So we demand and get mobilization payments, which mean on a typical $1,000,000,000 job, if we demand 8% to 10% upfront, it means they pay us $80,000,000 to $100,000,000 the day we set foot on the job and their money finances the job, not ours. Now we've been able to force that into being over the last 18 months to 24 months and it will continue. That's the change in our industry from the old days when we worked on our money and they would put no money upfront.

Speaker 2

But with the diminished competition, we find ourselves able to much better negotiate terms than previously. So that's always going to be maintained and hopefully a 15% of revenue level.

Speaker 5

Yes, that's excellent.

Speaker 2

In other words, we want to work on the owner's money, not ours.

Speaker 5

Yes, that's excellent to see. And is the full portion of the Brooklyn Jail project included in the BIE billings in excess or is only a portion at this point maybe related to the design?

Speaker 7

Only the design portion.

Speaker 2

And that's not a significant billings in excess number.

Speaker 5

Awesome. Thank you. And then just one last quick question to follow-up on the specialty segment. It seems like Tudo Perini has done a pretty excellent job just shedding some of those unfavorable legacy projects. Have you kind of hit a trough there just in terms of revenue or is there still more to go?

Speaker 2

I think we've lowered revenue to a point where it's fairly well leveled off. As I've said, we took 5 Star Electric down from $600,000,000 to where I think our comfort level is $150,000,000 to 200,000,000 dollars WDF is down from $400,000,000 a year. I think we're what $150,000,000 to $200,000,000 now. So we've leveled them off, we've laid off, we've remanaged, we put new people in place and replaced some people that were just obviously poor performers. And we think we're down to a nucleus and a revenue base that we can return to a level of profitability.

Speaker 2

But to say they've been reduced in size as a part of our operation would be obvious.

Speaker 4

There

Operator

are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to Ronald Tutor for closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thank you everybody so much and we'll look forward to the next quarterly call.

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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