Byline Bancorp Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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April 26, 2024

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

intended to supplement, but not substitute for, the most directly comparable GAAP measures. Reconciliation of each non GAAP financial measure to be to the comparable GAAP financial measures can be found within the appendix of the earnings release. For additional information about risks and uncertainties, please see the forward looking statement and non GAAP financial measures disclosures in the earnings release. As a reminder for investors, this quarter we plan on attending the Stephens Chicago Bank Conference and the Raymond James Chicago Bank Tour.

Operator

With that, I would now like to turn the conference call over to Alberto Paraccini, President of Byline Bancorp.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Brooks. Good morning and welcome to Byline's Q1 earnings call. We appreciate all of you taking the time to join the call. With me this morning are our Chairman, Roberto Huerincia our CFO, Tom Bell and our Chief Credit Officer, Mark Fusenato. In terms of the agenda for today, I'll start with highlights for the quarter, followed by Tom, who will walk you through the financials, and then I'll come back and wrap up with some comments before opening the call up for questions.

Speaker 1

As a reminder, you can find the deck on our website, and as always, please refer to the disclaimer at the front. Before we get started, I would like to pass the call on to Roberto for some comments. Roberto?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Alberto, and good morning, everyone. Before Alberto and the team go over the strong results for the Q1 and a solid start to 2024, I want to touch on a few items. Last week, Mike Scudder celebrated his retirement as Executive Chairman of Old National Bancorp, which was effective at the end of January. I want to acknowledge Mike for his combined 38 years of outstanding leadership and dedication to First Midwest and Old National and his contributions outside of the bank to the Greater Chicago area. I've had the pleasure of competing and collaborating with Mike's alma mater and where he holds the board leadership position.

Speaker 2

Mike was always kind enough to call when he was working on his strategic plans for First Midwest to seek input and insights and unusual action from a competitor. Understated and not flashy, Mike is full of content, conviction and leadership. Best to Mike and his family. In a testament to our unwavering commitment to strategic excellence, our team has once again delivered excellent results this quarter against our own internal measures, against our peer group and analysts' expectations. We surpassed $9,000,000,000 in total assets and stockholder secrete climbed above $1,000,000,000 In fact, we have been delivering strong results consistently over the last few years, no matter the economic challenges, improving key profitability metrics from the median of the peer group to top quartile.

Speaker 2

This consistency had clearly improved performance in both absolute and relative terms, full transparency in our growth strategy and a really good balance between the short term rigor of the marketplace, your EPS number and our long term aspirations to become the preeminent commercial bank in Chicago should be reflected in higher valuations. But we know the mindset. Some of the folks take their narrative and just stay with it until they have no choice but to yield to performance. On our end, we will continue to educate and refine the messaging, addressing the foundations of our business segments and how it all comes together year after year, not only on a quarterly basis. We've built something special with considerable runway and optionality.

Speaker 2

We want the same quality in our analysts and investor base, whom we consider partners. Because as we have been saying, there will be significant opportunities in the Chicago marketplace. For investors willing to do the homework, we believe we offer a compelling proposition With a proven track record of success, a clear runway ahead of us and unwavering dedication to creating long term value, we invite you to join us in this journey to becoming the preeminent commercial bank in Chicago. With that, it's my pleasure to pass the call back to Alberto.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Roberto. And now moving on to the results for the quarter on Page 3 of the deck. Overall, we were very pleased with our performance for the Q1. Byline had another strong quarter characterized by healthy loan and deposit growth, solid profitability and stable asset quality. The results continue to highlight the strength of our diversified business model, the attractiveness of our franchise and the disciplined execution of our strategy.

Speaker 1

For the quarter, Byline reported net income of $30,400,000 and EPS of $0.70 per diluted share on revenue of 101,000,000 dollars Results are inclusive of approximately $1,000,000 in charges related to the consolidation of 2 branches. Diluted EPS for the quarter was $0.02 higher than last quarter and $0.06 or 9.4 percent higher on a year on year basis. Profitability and return metrics continue to remain strong across the board. ROA came in at 136 basis points while ROTCE remained solid at 15.9%. Pretax preparation income was $47,200,000 for the quarter, which translated into a strong pretax preparation ROA of 2 10 basis points.

Speaker 1

This was the 6th consecutive quarter where the company had pre tax preparation ROA above 200 basis points. As I just mentioned, total revenue came in at $101,000,000 which was flat to the prior quarter, but up 11% on a year on year basis. Net interest income was $85,500,000 down marginally from the 4th quarter and up slightly if adjusted for the day count difference between quarters. Non interest income was up 6.7% and drove the overall increase. Moving on to the balance sheet.

Speaker 1

We experienced nice growth in both loans and deposits. Loans increased by approximately $100,000,000 or 6% annualized and stood at 6 $800,000,000 as of quarter end. We continue to see good business development activity with originations coming in at 2 $64,000,000 driven by our commercial banking sponsor and leasing businesses. Total deposits grew by $173,000,000 or 9 0.7 percent annualized and stood at $7,400,000,000 as of quarterend. The strong growth in deposits is reflective of growth in commercial relationships and our ability to capture our fair share of money in motion in the marketplace.

Speaker 1

Deposit composition remained relatively stable for the period, but we continue to see migration of deposits to higher rate products, albeit at a slightly lower pace than last quarter. Deposit costs increased by 12 basis points, but given the rate environment, competition for deposits and driven by higher funding costs, offsetting the increase in asset driven by higher funding costs offsetting the increase in asset yields. Tom will provide more color on this shortly, but the margin ex accretion and adjusted for the impact of a short term investment opportunity declined by only 2 basis points to 3.8%. Non interest income came in at $15,500,000 up 6.7% from last quarter. On an operating basis, adjusting for the impact of fair value marks on our servicing asset, our underlying non interest income was up 3% quarter on quarter.

Speaker 1

Expenses remained well managed at $53,800,000 and the cost to asset ratio was 240 basis points. This was 2 basis points lower than last quarter and 29 basis points lower on a year on year basis, highlighting the benefits to scale after the Inland transaction. Credit costs came in at $6,600,000 and were inclusive of net charge offs of $6,200,000 or 37 basis points with the resulting net reserve build driven by loan growth. Asset quality remained stable for the quarter with NPLs increasing just 4 basis points to 100 basis points. Our ACL remained healthy at 1.51 percent of total loans.

Speaker 1

Capital levels remained strong with a CET ratio of 10.6%, total capital ratio of 13.7% and TCE of 8.8%, all as of quarter end, consistent with our targeted TCE range of 8% to 9%. With that, I would like to turn over the call to Tom who will provide you more detail on our results.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Alberto, and good morning, everyone. Starting with our loan and lease portfolio on Slide 4. Total loans and leases increased about $100,000,000 or 6% annualized and stood at $6,800,000 at March 31. We had strong origination activity for the quarter of 2 $64,000,000 up 6% compared to a year ago. Payoff activity was slightly lower for the quarter and utilization rates ticked up 2 basis points driven by draws on existing construction projects.

Speaker 3

Loans excluding CRE increased across all lending categories with the strongest growth coming from our leasing and commercial banking teams. We expect loan growth in the mid single digits in the coming quarters. Turning to Slide 5. We drove another quarter of solid deposit growth notwithstanding seasonal outflows and a $44,000,000 reduction in broker deposits. At quarter end, total deposits stood at $7,400,000,000 up $173,000,000 or 10% annualized.

Speaker 3

The growth was due to increases in time deposits and interest bearing checking accounts and we experienced growth both in average and end of period balances. The mix continues to moderate as expected with a decelerating pace linked quarter. DDAs as a percentage of total deposits was 25% compared to 27% from the prior quarter. On a cycle to date basis, deposit betas grew at a slower pace with total deposits at 47% and interest bearing deposits at 63%. Turning to Slide 6.

Speaker 3

Net interest income was $85,500,000 for Q1, down 1% from last quarter due to day count and in line with guidance. Cumulatively, over the cycle, we have benefited from our asset sensitivity and earning asset growth with NII growing at a 21% CAGR over the past 2 years. Moving forward, we are focused on reducing asset sensitivity further primarily from on balance sheet activities that may be supplemented with balance sheet hedges. Our NIM declined by 8 basis points to 4%. The margin was impacted by a short term investment position we put on this quarter, whereby we invested $200,000,000 and borrowed the funds from the bank term funding facility.

Speaker 3

This generates roughly $245,000 in net interest income per quarter, the trade off being a 6 basis point reduction in the margin. Accretion on acquired loans declined 4 basis points to 20 basis points this quarter and we expect it to continue to gradually decline in future quarters. Earning asset yields increased 5 basis points driven by higher loan and investment yields. Market expectations for rate since the start of the year. Based on the forward curves from mid April, we estimate our net interest income for Q2 will be in the range of $83,000,000 to $85,000,000 As a reminder, our goal is to maintain and grow our net interest income over various interest rate cycles.

Speaker 3

Turning to Slide 7. Non interest income stood at $15,500,000 in the first quarter, up 7% linked quarter, primarily driven by $1,000,000 increase in other non interest income due to an increase in derivatives and gain on sale of leased equipment. The balance of government guaranteed loans sold decreased by $17,000,000 in the Q1 compared to Q4. The net average premium was 9.6 percent higher than expected for Q1, primarily due to favorable market conditions and mix of loans sold. Going forward, we expect gain on sale income to be at a level consistent with Q1 results.

Speaker 3

Turning to Slide 8. Our non interest expense was well managed and came in at $53,800,000 for the Q1, flat from the prior quarter and in line with our Q1 guidance of $53,000,000 to $55,000,000 During the quarter, we announced that we were consolidating 2 branch locations, which will occur in the 2nd quarter. Our non interest expense of $53,800,000 includes branch consolidation charges of $1,300,000 of which $1,100,000 is not included in our adjusted results. Excluding the 2 branch closures, our core operating expenses were $52,500,000 for the quarter. As a result of the closures, our expected annual cost saves is approximately $1,100,000 beginning in the Q3.

Speaker 3

Looking forward, we maintain our non interest expense guidance of $53,000,000 to $55,000,000 On a side note, since the Q1 of 2022, revenue growth has outstripped non interest expense growth by 5 percentage points per year. Turning to Slide 9. The allowance for credit losses at the end of Q1 was $102,400,000 up 1% from the end of the prior quarter. In Q1, we recorded a $6,600,000 provision for credit losses compared to $7,200,000 in Q4. Net charge offs were $6,200,000 in the 1st quarter compared to $12,200,000 in the previous quarter.

Speaker 3

This was a 49% decrease linked quarter primarily due to lower charge offs in C and I and CRE. NPLs to total loans and leases increased by 4 basis points to 1% in Q1. If you look at the bottom left graph, you can see that NPLs were flat quarter over quarter when you exclude the government guaranteed loans. NPAs to total assets decreased by 1 basis point to 73 basis points in Q1 and total delinquencies were $28,600,000 on March 31, down 21% linked quarter. Turning to Slide 10.

Speaker 3

We are very pleased with the progress we have made these past two quarters lowering our loan to deposit ratio to 92.5 percent or 85 basis points linked quarter. This quarter, we also repaid ahead of plan $11,300,000 of our holding company line of credit borrowing related to the inland transaction, which provides us with $15,000,000 of additional liquidity and lowers our borrowing costs. Moving on to capital on Slide 11. Our capital levels continue to grow during the quarter with our CET1 ratio increasing to 10.6%. Additionally, the TCE to TA ratio was 8.8% and excluding the balance sheet trade, our TCE ratio would have been approximately 20 basis points higher.

Speaker 3

As a reminder, 99.9 percent of our securities are held and available for sale and therefore our HTM portfolio loss of $7,000 has no impact to our modified TCE ratio. Our liquidity and growing capital levels continue to provide us a strong foundation, which positions us well to grow our business. With that, Alberto, back to you.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Tom. As far as our near term outlook is concerned, we are positive about our ability to continue to grow the business in the current environment. We continue to see good deal flow and opportunities to increase the business organically. Our pipelines remain healthy and importantly, we're starting to see the impact that banking teams hired in prior periods have on our results. To that end, we added 2 additional bankers this past quarter and remain on the lookout for opportunities to further add talented bankers to our franchise.

Speaker 1

The rate environment remains somewhat challenging for banks as we balance the dynamics of customer preferences, growth, profitability and competition in the marketplace. That said, given the opportunity set available as we see it, we find the trade off of adding attractive business and long term relationships at a marginally higher funding cost in the short run acceptable. Our long term orientation coupled with the necessary balance sheet and financial flexibility positions us well to take advantage of opportunities and continue to increase the value of our franchise. Lastly, I'd like to congratulate and thank all our employees for supporting our customers and their contribution to our results this quarter. With that, operator, let's open the call up for questions.

Speaker 4

Thank Our first question today comes from the line of David Long from Raymond James. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Hey, good morning, Dave. Good morning, Dave.

Speaker 5

I want to dig in a little bit more on the deposit side and deposit competition. Here in Chicago, I've been seeing some rates on savings accounts back approaching the mid 5% level again. It looks like the competition has picked up maybe a little bit with the pickup in rates recently. You kind of hinted at it, but are you seeing more competition maybe than you did a few months ago? Has that changed?

Speaker 5

And then where is it coming from? Is it the larger regionals, the community banks? Where do you see most of that competition?

Speaker 3

Sure. Hi, Dave. Good morning. Thanks for the question. Generally speaking, we've seen actually competition start to lower rates a little bit.

Speaker 3

So it's we are getting some market share both from the large bank space and then some of the regionals, if you will. The appetite primarily just given the rate environment is higher costs, right, both in CDs and money market accounts. And yes, it's still very competitive, but we're primarily getting stuff done in the 5% range or lower. And I would also add that just given the rate shock that happened last year and some of the liquidity events that we're actually renewing CDs and other products at lower levels today than we did a year ago.

Speaker 5

Got it. Thank you for that color. And then want to shift gears on the lending side of the equation. It sounds like you guys still have an appetite to lend. You're out in the marketplace bringing in some veteran bankers.

Speaker 5

What are you seeing in the marketplace with your competitors? Are you seeing wider competition? Are you what are you and what trends are you seeing on the spreads on your new underwritings?

Speaker 6

I think

Speaker 1

in general, I don't know that I necessarily say lighter competition, Dave. I think competition is always there, particularly in, call it, core businesses like commercial banking. There always competition. I would say we are seeing and I don't think this is surprising, particularly from larger regionals and super regionals, I think the risk weighted asset diets, I think we've seen some effect of that, but it's line by line specifically. I don't know that there's anything that I would tell you that competitive dynamics have gotten easier.

Speaker 1

We still have strong competitors that we compete against on a daily basis. But that being said, to your second part of the question about spreads, I think spreads have remained pretty stable from last quarter. And certainly, I think in general, I think it's competitive, but not anything unusual that we're seeing today.

Speaker 5

Got it. Thank you, Alberto. And thanks, Tom, for the first part of the question.

Speaker 4

Our next question today comes from the line of Terry McEvoy from Stephens Inc. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Speaker 2

Thanks. First off, Roberto, very nice comments on Life, much appreciated there. Maybe start with a question for Tom. The net interest income outlook of $83,000,000 to $85,000,000

Speaker 7

The low end of that or is the

Speaker 2

variance there really the cost of funds? And I guess on that topic, cost of funds were up 14 basis points quarter over quarter. It did slow. Would you expect that trend to continue just given some of the comments on deposit competition?

Speaker 3

Yes, I think to your question that we are seeing the cost of funds pace continue to slow here. As I mentioned earlier, the renewal rates are coming in lower than the prior rates. So that is helping us. We're still getting some benefit on the earning asset repricing of just legacy loans repricing. But generally speaking, given the loan growth and the demand for us to continue to kind of bring in more deposits, it's going to be more marginal cost of deposits.

Speaker 3

We're obviously always going to go after our DDA with our clients, but incrementally we're going to be probably doing money market and CDs to complement and then try to bring them into the back of the book later on in the future.

Speaker 2

Thanks for that, Tom. And then as a follow-up, I think you said Mark was in the room or available. Appreciate all the disclosures on office. Maybe if you have comments on the industrial warehouse and multifamily as well, just larger parts of the CRE portfolio and if you could discuss trends that you're seeing within those two segments?

Speaker 8

Hi, Terry. We haven't seen any real issues with our industrial portfolio or warehouses or multifamily for that matter. We're aware of what's going on in the market. The key will be again, if we have loans that are maturing in that space, LTVs and cash flows and rates, the usual equation would be what we'll be working with our customers on. We haven't had any issues in those particular asset classes at this point in time.

Speaker 4

The next question today comes from the line of Nathan Race from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Speaker 9

Yes. Hi, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions.

Speaker 1

Good morning, Nate. Good morning, Nate.

Speaker 9

Question for Tom. Just on the leverage trade that you guys executed in the quarter, curious if you could just elaborate on the structure of that, how long you plan on keeping that on and just how we should just think about that going forward?

Speaker 3

I would Nate, good. Thank you. Hi. We are using that transaction. We borrowed from the Fed and the term facility.

Speaker 3

So it's based primarily on the borrowing costs versus what we can invest in. So we can pay the facility off at any time. It's a 1 year transaction. So it will not stay on for more than a year and it's all subject to our investment options and currently we're leaving the funds at the Fed. So as long as the transaction has positive carry for us and creates NII, we'll keep the transaction on.

Speaker 1

Nate, to add to what Tom said, just think of that as really we just obviously, we have a fair amount of flexibility in terms of our capital position. So we just looked at that as an opportunity to generate really some amount of net interest income really with essentially 0 risk. And as Tom said, I think we'll continue to do that until it's profitable. It has a maturity though of 1 year. So that's really the end date.

Speaker 1

But for us, that was just being opportunistic and generating some incremental net interest income.

Speaker 2

Got it. Very helpful.

Speaker 9

And I assume that's factored the continuation of that trades included in your guidance for NII in 2Q?

Speaker 2

Yes.

Speaker 6

Okay,

Speaker 9

great. Tuning gears a little bit, just thinking about SBA credit quality going forward, obviously there was a prominent SBA lender that had some issues that was announced last yesterday, I believe. And I noticed that your SBA specific reserve came down a little bit quarter over quarter. So just curious what you're seeing across that portfolio today? And I understand you guys have de risked that portfolio over the last several quarters.

Speaker 9

So just would love to hear an update in terms of what you're seeing in that portfolio that we can't necessarily glean from some of the disclosures?

Speaker 1

Nate, and I'm sure Mark will jump in here as well. But I think to us, I think we've always looked at this business and been pretty consistent in understanding and knowing that this is a higher risk segment of our portfolio. I think we added additional disclosure. Hopefully, it was helpful to give you all some perspective in terms of how that business has been the exposure that we have to that business over time, how it's come down. In the it's back in if we think back at 2016, it's come down from around 14.6% of loans to around 6.3% today.

Speaker 1

That being said, I think over the last really since COVID, we've really been communicating that this is a part of our portfolio that you always have concerns about because you're dealing with borrowers that are essentially either inexperienced or they're newer borrowers, they don't have the track record, etcetera. And I think our reserving relative to that comment has been consistent over time. So we feel good about kind of where we are at this point. I think to the comments made by that other institution, I think those are comments that I think hopefully you can tell that we've been highlighting for some time and that, yes, these are borrowers that coming out of COVID are likely going to experience some trouble, particularly given the fact that rates have gone up 500 basis points. That being said, the trend in that portfolio has been pretty stable, but we'll continue to monitor and manage the business accordingly.

Speaker 1

Mark?

Speaker 8

Every couple of weeks, we literally sit down and go through the delinquencies, upcoming events for the customers, any trends in specific parts of the portfolio, what's going on in the workout credits. But again, as Alberto said, the biggest, I think, burden that they're facing is, I mean, a lot of these customers are paying interest rates 3 times what they were before rates started going up. And that's a heavy load for these smaller companies. They don't have the balance sheets typically to work through that or the ability to put capital into a company. So it's a portfolio we monitor very carefully.

Speaker 8

But again, if you look back historically, it kind of comes with the territory almost. You're going to have some issues in that portfolio from time to time. And that's why we monitor it so closely. Basically, every 2 weeks, we're looking at

Speaker 2

that book.

Speaker 1

Hopefully that answers it. That gives you some color Nate on that.

Speaker 9

Yes, indeed. And then if I could just ask lastly just in terms of capital deployment priorities, I imagine you guys will be north of your 9% TCE target in pretty short order here. So just curious in terms of what you're seeing from an acquisition opportunity perspective and if the M and A environment remains fairly difficult as it kind of stands today, how you're thinking about perhaps continuing with repurchases going forward?

Speaker 1

Yes. I mean, it's something that when you think about the hierarchy, Nate, is 1st and foremost is continue to support the growth in the core business. We're seeing some decent opportunities organically to grow the business. So first and foremost, we want to have the flexibility to do that. 2nd, we want to pay a consistent dividend over time.

Speaker 1

3rd would be M and A or other opportunities to grow inorganically. And then lastly, you have the valve of looking at share repurchases. To your question regarding M and A, I think it's a pretty quiet environment. That said, I think we're always having conversations and looking at potential things that may surface. So, I think we in summary, I think that's the hierarchy.

Speaker 1

We just want to always have the flexibility to be able to take advantage of opportunities as they come.

Speaker 9

Okay, great. I appreciate all the color. Thank you guys. Nice quarter.

Speaker 1

You bet.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Nate.

Speaker 4

The next question today comes from the line of Damon DelMonte from KBW. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning guys. Hope everybody is doing well today. Just curious, do you guys have a projection Good morning. Do you guys have a projection for CRE maturities over the course of the next few quarters?

Speaker 1

Damon, we haven't disclosed specifically, but I would say generally speaking, I think if you look at our CRE office exposure is around $205,000,000 I would say probably 40% of that or so really is a 2024 event and we're pretty much well ahead of kind of where those loans and what those maturities are. And the rest are just, I would say, sprinkled out in 2025, 2026 and beyond without any real material concentration in any one year.

Speaker 7

Got it. Okay. And is the kind of the rate reset for those, have you guys done like internal background work to kind of stress out the borrowers to see how they would react to the higher rates today kind of game plan to take an appropriate action leading up to that?

Speaker 1

I think that's part and parcel to what Mark and his team and the business units do and monitoring the portfolio. So absolutely, Damon.

Speaker 7

Okay, great. Thank you. And then just to circle back on the BTFP leverage that you put on, what was the total dollar amount of that? And what period what part of the quarter did it come on?

Speaker 3

$200,000,000 and it came on in January.

Speaker 7

Okay. So you have a full quarter impact here this quarter then? Yes. And then just lastly, as we think about provisioning and kind of charge offs, I mean, you guys still feel like net charge offs will still be in that, call it, 35 to 45 basis point range for the next few quarters and provision should be supportive of that to maintain a relatively flat loan loss reserve. Is that

Speaker 6

a fair way to think about that?

Speaker 1

That's a fair way. I think obviously contingent on loan growth in that regard also, Damon. And I think as we stated also, for the underlying business, I think we're comfortable with that statement. But as you know, we have some PCD loans as we have opportunities to work those assets out. We will certainly highlight those.

Speaker 1

But if we had those are marked assets and if we have an opportunity to get out of them at exit prices that make sense, we will look to take advantage of that. So I just that's just an additional caveat to your question.

Speaker 7

Got it. Okay. Thank you. That's all that I had. Appreciate it.

Speaker 7

Thanks.

Speaker 4

Our next question today comes from the line of Brian Martin from Janney Montgomery Scott. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning guys. Nice quarter.

Speaker 1

Good morning, Brian.

Speaker 7

Hey, just maybe

Speaker 6

one just for maybe for Tom, maybe just big picture, you mentioned that you were maybe taking some steps to reduce the asset sensitivity. And I think you had previously talked about maybe a $3,000,000 number for 25 basis point cuts. Just kind of wondering how what you're planning to do on the potential to put some hedge down or reduce the sensitivity or just kind of if you can give us some thought how you're thinking about that?

Speaker 3

Yes, sure, Brian. Thank you. I think couple of things. 1, you have to recognize the rates in the middle of the curve are up about 100 basis points. So we obviously weren't going to do any hedges or in that lower rate environment.

Speaker 3

I think now it can make more sense. We'll still have to see how the data comes out and what the Fed does here. But we're asset sensitive, so we benefited from the rate up movement and then we just think that we're trying to get I don't know that we'll ever get to neutral, but we'd love to be at neutral at some point and just earn our spread and go home. But in the deck on Page 6, kind of have our sensitivity for rates down and we've been able to bring down the sensitivity just from organic things we're doing on the balance sheet. And I think that's primarily our focus right now.

Speaker 6

Okay. And I guess specifically on the organic side, I guess, are there the actions you expect to maybe be able to reduce it by, I guess, what specifically is there anything you can talk about that you're planning to do that will lower that?

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, we brought it down about 1% from the last quarter. And so obviously, our leasing business is doing very well. That's fixed rate nature product. We like the spread on that transaction for us and that's a short term cash flow transaction, 3 years typically.

Speaker 3

So that's one area. Obviously, any fixed rate loans that we do either in CRE or commercial will help us as well. And then we obviously have the securities portfolio, the cash flow is running off of that. I mean securities investments is not a core business, but for liquidity reasons and also just given where spreads are, that looks more attractive today than it did say 3 months ago. So there's opportunities to at least for sure replace cash flows and potentially add to the position if needed.

Speaker 3

Yes.

Speaker 1

I think Brian to add to what Tom said there, I think generally it's really looking to take advantage to a degree that we can originate well structured, rate protected fixed rate loans. I think we would look to do that. And that's really the primary tool on the balance sheet side.

Speaker 6

Okay. And just curious, I mean, the mix of what you're originating today in terms of variable versus fixed, what's the proportion? Is it more variable? And I guess is that what's worth that today and you're shifting that?

Speaker 3

Yes, it was seventy-thirty ish kind of and we're moving towards more fifty-fifty.

Speaker 6

Got you. Okay, perfect. Thanks for the color. And then maybe just one for Mark on, I guess, from a credit perspective, any change in the quarter from a criticized perspective or kind of special mention credits? I know you talked about classifieds, but just any does it sound like there's much movement there, but just wanted to confirm that?

Speaker 8

No, there hasn't been a lot of movement in the stats, whether it's criticized, classified, etcetera. It's been pretty flat. Obviously, we're hoping to do better.

Speaker 6

Got you. Okay. And then maybe just one last one for Roberto. I guess just I think you've I don't know if you've talked about this recently, but just with getting the $9,000,000,000 and closing in on $10,000,000,000 just kind of how you're thinking about that in terms of if and when you do consider, I think last quarter you talked a little bit about the M and A being more interested. Just wondering how you're thinking about that in terms of the $10,000,000,000 threshold and is that a focus on potential targets you may be considering?

Speaker 1

I don't know that we would say, Brian. Go ahead, Roberto. No, go

Speaker 2

ahead. Yes. So and feel free to chime in. But we as you know, our strategy has organic focused and obviously we'll take it inorganic has always been part of the strategy as long as it is within the parameters that we've described to you before. But we're going to cross that $10,000,000,000 threshold, right?

Speaker 2

Organically, I mean, you can see it happening, right, in 2025. I we're not going to change our M and A strategy because of the $10,000,000,000 threshold. And as we've shared with you previously, we're not a consumer oriented bank. So impact from the interchange fee, while there is some impact, it's not what banks that have robust consumer businesses will be, right? It's going to be a smaller impact than us.

Speaker 2

So it's not the driver, right? We need to continue to execute on the organic opportunities that we have in front. Of course, we're going to be smart about that $10,000,000,000 line, but it really does not consume our thinking. We're much more focused on executing on our plans. And if there are some opportunities on the inorganic front that help us cross that threshold in a way that is more efficient, great.

Speaker 2

But if not, it is not. Not worried about that, right? The opportunities will come when they come. And the $10,000,000,000 threshold is just a demarcation point. And having had the experience of crossing that before with other institutions, right, We are focused on working internally and being prepared for the higher regulatory scrutiny that occurs after you've crossed 10,000,000,000

Speaker 1

Got you. Well said.

Speaker 6

Thank you for taking yes, well said. Thank you, Roberto, and thanks for taking the questions guys. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1

You bet.

Speaker 4

Thank you for your questions today. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Alberto Paragini for any closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Great. Thank you, operator, and we'd like to thank all of you for joining the call today. And I think that wraps up the call for this morning. Thank you.

Speaker 4

This concludes today's call. Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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