NASDAQ:WGS GeneDx Q1 2024 Earnings Report $95.47 -2.81 (-2.86%) Closing price 04/17/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$97.96 +2.49 (+2.61%) As of 04/17/2025 05:52 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast GeneDx EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.33Consensus EPS -$0.68Beat/MissBeat by +$0.35One Year Ago EPSN/AGeneDx Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$62.42 millionExpected Revenue$49.80 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$12.62 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AGeneDx Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date4/29/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateMonday, April 29, 2024Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsGeneDx's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, April 30, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by GeneDx Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrApril 29, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the GeneDx First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Commercial Chief of Staff, Sabrina Dunbar. Speaker 100:00:41Thank you, operator, and thank you to everyone for joining us today. On the call, we have Catherine Stuhland, President and Chief Executive Officer and Kevin Feehley, Chief Financial Officer. Earlier today, GeneDx released financial results for the Q1 ended March 31, 2024. Before we begin, please take note of our cautionary statements. We may make forward looking statements on today's call, including about our business plans, guidance and outlook. Speaker 100:01:08Forward looking statements inherently involve risks and uncertainties and only reflect our view as of today, April 29, and we are under no obligation to update. When discussing our results, we refer to non GAAP measures, which exclude certain items from the reported results. Please refer to our Q1 2024 earnings release and slides available at ir.gandx.com for definitions and reconciliations of non GAAP measures and additional information regarding our results, including a discussion of factors that could cause actual results to materially differ from forward looking statements. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Catherine. Speaker 200:01:44Thanks, Sabrina, and thank you all for joining us. We're excited to share the strong results from the Q1. With the continued execution from our team, we're raising our guidance for the year, bolstered by our view that we can sustainably deliver profitable growth in service of a critically important unmet need for diagnosing rare disease to an ever growing group of patients and their families. We have transformed GDX over the past few years, but it's also fair to say that our entire industry has changed tremendously in that time. The companies that are thriving are those that are focused on their distinct strengths. Speaker 200:02:20And in our case, it's our industry leading exome and genome. Our team is working with exceptional focus, purpose and care to put an end to the diagnostic odyssey by delivering the most comprehensive answers to clinicians and their patients. We're proud to say that we've hit yet another milestone. We've interpreted more than 600 1,000 clinical exomes since 2012. To give you a sense of how we've accelerated the growth, we interpreted half of those in the past 3 years and 100,000 since the fall. Speaker 200:02:54These exomes contribute to our proprietary data asset, which enables more definitive diagnoses for more patients. That data asset is key to our competitive advantage and it's only getting stronger with our growth. We organized our entire team around 3 goals in the middle of last year: 1, driving Ekso utilization 2, improving our average reimbursement rates and 3, reducing cash burn. This focus is paying off. In the Q1, we delivered more than $61,000,000 in revenues, 61% in gross margins and an 8th consecutive quarter of cash burn reduction. Speaker 200:03:33As a result, we're raising our annual revenue guidance to $235,000,000 to $245,000,000 We'll continue to expand our gross margins off of Q1 and we're reducing our cash burn guidance, which Kevin will walk through. There's a lot that went well in Q1. Our commercial and medical affairs teams are driving exome and genome as the standard of care in the pediatric setting. This increased utilization positively impacted our product mix, which came in at about 30% exome and genome, with this representing over 70% of our total revenue. Over time, we expect to drive substantially all of our volumes and revenues to Exome and Genome. Speaker 200:04:13So our product mix this quarter is a sign of early success on this path to a 2 test future. We continue to drive market leadership with 80% of all clinical exomes being run at GeneDx. The providers that we're targeting fall into 2 categories: geneticists and pediatric specialists, including pediatric neurologists and pediatric developmental specialists. We're focusing on deeper penetration in existing accounts as well as new customers. Improving reimbursement was also a bright spot for the team in Q1. Speaker 200:04:48We saw faster than planned improvements in our average reimbursement rates, which also positively contributed to the strength of the quarter. We still believe there's room to improve that over time. We're operating with a strong value towards cash management efficiency and scalability, and we've seen market improvements as we integrate new tools and technologies, streamline processes, introduce machine learning features and drive down COGS in our lab. Our team also retired more than 400 tests to simplify our menu in line with our strategy. We continue to say that our flagship exome and genome products have the rare attributes of being both what is best for patient care and best for our business. Speaker 200:05:32Today, 1 in 10 Americans have a rare disease with 50% of them being children. We know that the expanded utilization of testing reveals that far more people are impacted by genetic diseases, and we are committed to serving this growing patient population in the future. Our sites are set on diagnosing all hereditary disease in as many families as possible. So over time, we'll introduce GeneDx to broader patient populations to inform health decisions through every stage of life. But for now, our team is focused on helping end the diagnostic honesty for as many children and families as quickly as we can, and that purpose motivates our team each and every day. Speaker 200:06:12And with that, I'll hand the call over to Kevin. Speaker 300:06:14Thanks, Catherine. 1st quarter 2024 revenues from continuing operations grew to $61,500,000 compared to $40,700,000 in the Q1 of 2023 $58,100,000 in the Q4 of 2023. That is an increase of 51% year over year and 6% sequentially. Our team resulted over 16,500 whole exome and genome tests in the Q1, which generated revenues of $44,000,000 in the 1st quarter from the Exome and Genome portfolio. That's an increase of 96% year over year and 12% sequentially. Speaker 300:06:51Both volume and collection performance contributed to the growth. Adjusted gross margin from continuing operations was 61 percent in the Q1 of 2024, up from 34% a year ago and up from 56% in the Q4 of 2023. The margin expansion during the quarter is driven by all three of continued favorable mix shift towards exome, improved exome average reimbursement rates and continued cost per test leverage. On mix, exome and genome surpassed a key milestone representing 30 percent of all tests resulted this quarter. That's up from 17% a year ago and up from 27% in the Q4 of 2023. Speaker 300:07:33We continue to believe that over time nearly all hereditable disease diagnosis will be run on an exome or genome backbone and that our total gross margin will continue to benefit as these high value prop tests pick up greater share of our overall test volume and replace lower margin products. On average reimbursement rate, we've amplified resources in line with the 3 focus areas Catherine outlined. One such imperative was improving exome reimbursement rate through denial reduction. In the Q1 of 2024, our average reimbursement for the Exome and Genome portfolio after all denials was approximately 2 $1,500 in the Q4 of 2023. We are encouraged with the uptick here, but the reality is that nearly half of all exome claims are still being denied. Speaker 300:08:23A large portion of all denials are administrative in nature for claims not meeting a variety of non medical requirements designed by payers. And we're working hard to ensure upfront order, document collection and claim submission processes evolve to enable insurance specific workflows to improve our probability of success. Another large portion of our denials might abate over time as Medicaid policy continues its momentum toward broad coverage for exome and genome. And already in 2024, 2 states have expanded coverage for rapid whole genome in the NICU. And in the outpatient setting, New York State added exome coverage to their medical plan effective April 1, 2024. Speaker 300:09:05That brings us to 28 states covering exome in the outpatient setting and 11 covering rapid whole genome inpatient. We applaud those states for taking this important step, but there is still a long way to go towards ensuring nationwide equitable access for all patients who need it. On cost per test, the team has done a great job. Lower input costs and wet lab process improvements are the headliners this quarter, but we continue to believe that automation across clinical interpretation operating expense. Total adjusted operating expense was $45,400,000 for the Q1 of 2024. Speaker 300:09:48That is a reduction of 26% year over year and 6% sequentially. Having again delivered reduced costs, we're approaching what I consider to be a normalized OpEx base for the business. Our team has built the muscle memory for efficiency, and we will not stop looking for ways to improve operating leverage throughout the business. On the bottom line, total company adjusted net loss for the Q1 of 2024 narrowed to $9,500,000 That's an improvement of 83 percent year over year and 52% sequentially. Our first quarter cash burn was $17,200,000 which improved 71% year over year and 48% sequentially. Speaker 300:10:32I'd call out that net cash burn this quarter included approximately $6,000,000 to fund the company's annual 401 employer match, approximately $2,900,000 in what can be considered one time payments related to previously reserved legacy semaphore refund requests and $800,000 in severance payments related to our previously announced cost reduction initiative. We've now delivered 8 consecutive quarters of cash burn reduction and expect to drive sequential declines in cash burn each quarter of 2024. Cash, cash equivalents, marketable securities and restricted cash was $113,900,000 as of March 31, 2024. And as a reminder, in October 2023, we announced that we entered into a 5 year senior secured credit facility with Perceptive Advisors. The agreement provided for up to $75,000,000 in capacity, consisting of an initial tranche of $50,000,000 which was drawn in October 2023 and an optional second tranche of $25,000,000 which is available through December 2024. Speaker 300:11:36Now turning to guidance. As Catherine said, we are raising previously issued revenue guidance and now expect to deliver revenues between 235 $1,000,000 $245,000,000 for full year 2024. We're raising previously issued adjusted gross margin guidance and now expect to land the full year adjusted gross margin at 60% or higher. Improving the low end of our net cash burn guide and now anticipate using $70,000,000 to $80,000,000 of net cash for the full year of 2024. And finally, we once again reiterate our expectation to turn profitable in 2025. Speaker 300:12:15With that, I'll now turn it back to Catherine for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:12:19Wonderful. Thanks, Kevin. The shift from single gene testing to multi gene testing began more than a decade ago. And now we're successfully shifting the rare disease market from multi gene panels to exome and genome. This takes time and the dedication of a team that wants to win for the growing number of patients and families who rely on us, and it's all made possible by the shareholders who support our growth. Speaker 200:12:42I'd like to thank our team and our investors for the opportunity to prove that we can set a new standard of clinical care while running a really good business. We know that the path to profitability is one that not many companies in our space have achieved and we are fully committed to making that happen to ensure we can help more and more families and return value to our shareholders along the way. We'll now open the call up for questions. Operator00:13:07Thank you. And our first question comes from the line of Dan Brennan with TD Speaker 400:13:32the question and obviously congrats on another good quarter. Maybe for a few questions on the quarter and the guide. Obviously, we had the FDA issued the LDT guidance today. And I'm just wondering any comments from management about what you thought of it, what stood out, how it might impact the company? Speaker 200:13:50Certainly. We were happy to see the 500 plus page document come out earlier today after a lot of speculation. Net net, we think that this is a good opportunity. We have been planning for this new era of FDA regulation. In fact, we've hired a Head of Regulatory, who's joining the team. Speaker 200:14:17So I think we are well prepared to ensure that we can comply with FDA. And having been operating the lab for 20 plus years and having complied with CLIA New York State, we have a really, really strong system and very good, I would say, regulatory and quality systems already in place. So we're looking forward to moving into this new era. Speaker 400:14:47And then maybe sorry, Kathy, maybe just one quick follow-up to that and then maybe just one quick one on the business. But from like a competitive standpoint, the fact that existing LDTs get grandfathered in. So A, had you guys earmarked some costs associated with maybe with running PMAs or anything of that sort that maybe now you might not have to do? And then B, would you expect it could raise the hurdle because you're on the market and for other players that want to come in, does it at all make it harder for future players to compete? Speaker 200:15:20Yes. We think that this is an important opportunity for us. As we said today, we've run more clinical exomes than anyone. We've got such a robust, what we believe is the largest rare disease data asset, running exome and genome. So we think that it's a really important opportunity for us to be able to set the standard as we move into compliance with FDA. Speaker 200:15:47And we think that there should be a high bar as it pertains to others being able to enter the market. But, we're still calling through the 500 plus pages and working with our consultants and our regulatory and clinical teams to best determine exactly how we're going to move forward. But we've baked in costs associated with it. So we're feeling good about the opportunity ahead. Speaker 400:16:19And then maybe I'll just ask one on the business. Obviously, there'll be many I'm sure to follow. But you reiterated guide for profitability by 2025 although you did raise the gross margin guide pretty early this year, you lowered the burden this year. So is the profitability guide the fact that it stays like something must have changed in that profitability guide. Is it for a quarter in 2025? Speaker 400:16:38Is it full year? Just any more color about the impact in 2025 versus the benefits you're seeing come in better than expected in 2024? Speaker 300:16:48Yes, Dan. Look, we're super pleased with Q1's performance. I think that's representative in the improved outlook that we provided for the remainder of the year. We said all along that the full year 2025, we expect to be profitable and there'll be a quarter in there in which we make that turn. We hadn't specifically called out the timing there. Speaker 300:17:11Overall, I think we're standing behind our overall commitment that the full year on balance will be profitable and that there'll be a quarter within that year where we make that sustainable turn. Speaker 400:17:24Great. All right. I'll get back in the queue. Thanks guys. Congrats. Operator00:17:30Thank you. One moment please for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Mark Massaro with BTIG. Speaker 500:17:42Hey guys, congratulations on another good quarter. This looks like it's the 4th consecutive quarter of sequential revenue growth. And I know you didn't provide guidance for Q2, but with this rising mix shift to exome and genome and your sales force aligned to sell those, which come in at a higher price, is it reasonable for us to extrapolate that you could have sequential revenue growth perhaps throughout this year? Speaker 300:18:19Yes, I think that's fair, Mark. I continue to call out that the 4th quarter is typically our seasonally strongest quarter and I see no reason for that to change this year. So in line with that, I do want to call out that we expect and have delivered consistent robust revenue growth in Exome, would expect that to continue. But at the same time, the non exome portion of our portfolio, we don't want to surprise anybody if we see volumes and revenues decline in those testing lines. That would be in line with our strategy to overall replace those testing lines with exome and genome. Speaker 500:18:59Okay. And maybe just a clarification question. I think I heard you talk about a $2,600 exome genome panel ASP up from $2,500 in the last quarter. Did you provide a metric on the patient on the denial rate? I assume you probably had some improvement in denials or collections in the quarter. Speaker 500:19:23And then can you speak to any lift from new payers like whether it's Medicaid or some commercial payer coming on? Speaker 300:19:31Yes. All of the improvements in that average reimbursement rate would come visavis reduction in denials. There's been no changes to underlying contracted pricing. And so reduction in denials with the denial rate just north of 50% in the Q1. Speaker 500:19:50Okay, got it. And then related to that, I mean, what do you think a long term run rate could be for exome, genome ASPs? I know if you're at around the 2,600 level today, I think you're getting paid more than 2 times that from other health plans. So I guess where do you see perhaps a normalized run rate even if it's 2 to 3 years from now? Speaker 300:20:19Yes. Look, I think over time, you might expect a reduction in the denial rate, potentially some reduced contracting rates such that the $2,600 we experienced in the Q1, I consider to be a new floor, for us to work off of over the next several quarters and couple of years. Speaker 500:20:40Okay, got it. And maybe last one for me. You guys exceeded my revenue projections by well over $11,000,000 So I must not be a good modeler or you guys are just executing well. I guess, can you speak to, if you had any success converting accounts from Invitae in the quarter? And then related to that, I know that LabCorp put in a bid and won the assets to acquire Invitae. Speaker 500:21:10Can you just speak to what your expectations are from any potential of perhaps converting some of those Invitae accounts later this year? Speaker 200:21:23Perfect. Yes. So the rare disease business at Invitae, is in part centered on one of our core targets in terms of providers that we're focused on, and that's the pediatric neurology market. So we have been targeting them. And as we've talked about, as we pull back from general pediatricians to really double down in that space, that's where we're seeing, really good success, both with new customers who haven't been ordering genetic testing where we convert them rapidly to utilizing our exome out of the gate. Speaker 200:22:07And then we have seen success in pediatric neurologists who have been ordering panels, including panels from Invitae and getting them to start ordering our exome. So we have seen success there and expect that we'll continue to convert that entire market and that segment from panels to exomes. I think LabCorp has obviously made an important acquisition and that hereditary cancer business that Invitae built is certainly kind of the shining star there. The rare disease panels business, we think over time will become obsolete and we'll be converting all of that to exome and genome. But that's a core part of our strategy, as we think about expanding utilization of that the most comprehensive test that's providing rapid turnaround times as quickly as panels and most patients not having an out of pocket. Speaker 200:23:16So we'll continue to turn the crank on that from a commercial and medical affairs perspective. Speaker 500:23:24Okay, sounds good. Congrats on the quarter and I'll hop back in the queue. Speaker 200:23:29Awesome. Thanks, Mark. Operator00:23:31Thank you. One moment please for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Matt Sykes with Goldman Sachs. Speaker 600:23:42Hey, good afternoon, Catherine and Kevin. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on the quarter. Maybe Catherine, just kind of a high level question, but you had mentioned in the press release that the data and I know you'd released earlier that you presented at the American College of Medical Genetics, comparing exome versus CMA. I know converting people from CMAs to exome is part of the challenge here, education awareness. That data set in particular, how much do you think that will help in that education awareness? Speaker 600:24:13And do you need to continue to provide data similar to that to convince people to start with exome first? And how much more education awareness do you feel like you need to do? Speaker 200:24:24Yes. It's really important data for us when we think about kind of refocusing in the future on the general pediatric segment. So what we started to see last year when we did enter the general, peds segment was, their tendency to utilize CMA. And therefore, the data that we've been able to generate is super helpful in terms of being able to not only go to payers, but ensure that we can continue to educate clinicians who are ordering CMA. We have seen since we have refocused our commercial strategy away from the general pediatricians and to the pneuros. Speaker 200:25:10As you would expect, our CMA volume has shifted. So we think this is really important for the longer term strategy of being able to educate that broader pediatric pediatrician segments. But over the next several years, we're really going to be doubling down on pediatric neurologists, pediatric developmental specialists. And in those settings, there is less utilization of CMA. So we think the data that we've generated is really, really good for the longer term strategy. Speaker 600:25:46Got it. Very helpful. Thank you. And then just on the exome genome test mix, it looks like you guys have kind of averaged around 300 basis points per quarter in terms of improving that mix towards exome genomes. Is that a number that we should could kind of extrapolate for the balance of this year with maybe a higher step up in Q4 because of seasonality? Speaker 600:26:06I'm just given the importance to margins, just trying to figure out the cadence of this test mix, how regular it is, how predictable it is and how you look at driving that mix shift higher in terms of increases on a quarterly basis? Speaker 300:26:21Yes, I think certainly sequential increases is absolutely fair. So anywhere in that range of 1% to 3%. I think we've said all along that all else equal, a test mix of roughly 40% would get us profitable at sort of consistent gross margin profiles and our OpEx profile. If you think about a turn to profitability in 2025, sort of a steady march up towards that point is what we'd expect. Speaker 600:26:55Got it. And then just for my final question, just on reimbursement. If you just remind me and apologies if you've said this before, but just sort of the percentage of patients that you face that are Medicaid eligible, just given the traction you've had in some of the states that have passed that, just want to get a sense for the context of the Medicaid population. And then secondarily, Kevin, you mentioned the half of Exome claims are still being denied and I know addressed some of the dials on the earlier question. I was just wondering that in terms of like moving that denial rate down, is that like a body problem in terms of just hiring more people to do that largely administrative work? Speaker 600:27:33Or do you feel like you can move the needle on denials with the current staff and OpEx spend that you have today? Speaker 300:27:41Yes. On the first, roughly 15% to 20% of the business volume wise is institutional. And so the remainder then of the Exome and Genome business is split between commercial insurance and Medicaid. And there's roughly a fifty-fifty split in that insurance channel between commercial and Medicaid. With, as we've called out, 28 states covering outpatient and 11 on the rapid whole genome product inpatient. Speaker 300:28:16And so, a disproportionately higher denial rate today in the Medicaid populations for wherever volume is sourced from those states without coverage. And then on addressing front end processes, no, not necessarily a body problem or something that we can solve just by throwing more bodies at it, more so ensuring that upfront workflows from the ordering system through the time of claim submission are specific and unique to individual patient insurance products. Rather than a one size fits all process, what we see is vast disparity in the medical necessity requirements as well as administrative requirements to ensure that exome and genome claims ultimately get paid. And so some work to do to make sure that processes are accustomed to those unique workflows is what has to happen. That's more technology based and process based than just adding people, if that makes sense. Speaker 600:29:19Got it. Thanks. Very helpful. Operator00:29:23Thank you. One moment please for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Stanton with Jefferies. Speaker 700:29:37Hey, thanks. A lot has been covered in terms of the guidance increase both on the revenue and margin side and reiterating the targets for 25%. But Kevin, we just look to get your kind Speaker 300:29:46of high level thoughts, just visibility you have Speaker 700:29:48in the business today and just maybe how much that's improved over the last few quarters here? Speaker 300:29:55Yes. Look, we've invested a lot into the team. And in 2020 3, learned a lot of lessons with respect to commercial execution. I think the team is well poised to now understand what call points work for us. And we have the right size and skill set across the commercial organization. Speaker 300:30:20So I think it provides some of the confidence that allowed us to raise our guidance this earlier in the year. We think it's a substantial raise in guidance and look forward to using some of those lessons learned over the past year or 2 as we've developed the strategy to start to expand the utilization of the exome and genome. The team has what it needs to execute on our plan. And so looking forward to seeing the results as the year progresses. Speaker 700:30:54Thanks. And then maybe one quick one, just an update on the sales force realignment you did last quarter to target more profitable accounts. And then any color around the enterprise sales team? I know it's a bit longer cycle, but just any update around some of those changes you made more recently? Thanks. Speaker 200:31:11Sure. Yes, you've got the sales force scope absolutely right. We've got 54 sales reps, and about 9 medical science leads onto our focus on the outpatient opportunity, which is predominantly with our axome. And we put that into place in the Q4 in anticipation of 2024. We're really happy with the performance of the team. Speaker 200:31:39We feel like we've got the right incentive comp program in place. And I think that's based on what we're seeing year to date by way of volume in the door, percentage of mix, we're feeling really good that the team is executing, that they're focused on the right accounts, that they are importantly motivated by their incentive comp plan. So I feel great about the team and continuing to drive forward with 2024. So good momentum with the sales force. And you're absolutely right on the enterprise side of things. Speaker 200:32:22We have a small team that is going in and doing enterprise wide sales for that NICU opportunity. NICU is, I think an important market for us, but it's a different type of sales approach. We think that it's a really good way to be able to try a different sort of consultative sale with the C suite and really be able to get some of the health economics data in front of these hospital systems. There are a fixed number of beds in the NICU setting. So we think it's a way to be able to introduce genomics at more of a system wide level. Speaker 200:33:10And to your point about it's a longer selling cycle, that's exactly why. But we would hope to see in 2025, some a greater percentage of volume and revenue coming in from that NICU segment. But this year, we're anticipating you'll just be a rinse and repeat from last year. Speaker 700:33:32Super. Thank you. Operator00:33:35Thank you. I'll now turn the call back over to CEO, Kathryn Stuewen, for any further remarks. Speaker 200:33:43Thank you so much. We appreciate all of the great questions and engagements. We'll continue to provide updates on our progress and we look forward to seeing you at upcoming investor conferences. So thanks so much. Have a good night. Operator00:34:00Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating. This does conclude today's program and you may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallGeneDx Q1 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) GeneDx Earnings HeadlinesGeneDx Holdings Corp. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the GeneDx First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Commercial Chief of Staff, Sabrina Dunbar. Speaker 100:00:41Thank you, operator, and thank you to everyone for joining us today. On the call, we have Catherine Stuhland, President and Chief Executive Officer and Kevin Feehley, Chief Financial Officer. Earlier today, GeneDx released financial results for the Q1 ended March 31, 2024. Before we begin, please take note of our cautionary statements. We may make forward looking statements on today's call, including about our business plans, guidance and outlook. Speaker 100:01:08Forward looking statements inherently involve risks and uncertainties and only reflect our view as of today, April 29, and we are under no obligation to update. When discussing our results, we refer to non GAAP measures, which exclude certain items from the reported results. Please refer to our Q1 2024 earnings release and slides available at ir.gandx.com for definitions and reconciliations of non GAAP measures and additional information regarding our results, including a discussion of factors that could cause actual results to materially differ from forward looking statements. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Catherine. Speaker 200:01:44Thanks, Sabrina, and thank you all for joining us. We're excited to share the strong results from the Q1. With the continued execution from our team, we're raising our guidance for the year, bolstered by our view that we can sustainably deliver profitable growth in service of a critically important unmet need for diagnosing rare disease to an ever growing group of patients and their families. We have transformed GDX over the past few years, but it's also fair to say that our entire industry has changed tremendously in that time. The companies that are thriving are those that are focused on their distinct strengths. Speaker 200:02:20And in our case, it's our industry leading exome and genome. Our team is working with exceptional focus, purpose and care to put an end to the diagnostic odyssey by delivering the most comprehensive answers to clinicians and their patients. We're proud to say that we've hit yet another milestone. We've interpreted more than 600 1,000 clinical exomes since 2012. To give you a sense of how we've accelerated the growth, we interpreted half of those in the past 3 years and 100,000 since the fall. Speaker 200:02:54These exomes contribute to our proprietary data asset, which enables more definitive diagnoses for more patients. That data asset is key to our competitive advantage and it's only getting stronger with our growth. We organized our entire team around 3 goals in the middle of last year: 1, driving Ekso utilization 2, improving our average reimbursement rates and 3, reducing cash burn. This focus is paying off. In the Q1, we delivered more than $61,000,000 in revenues, 61% in gross margins and an 8th consecutive quarter of cash burn reduction. Speaker 200:03:33As a result, we're raising our annual revenue guidance to $235,000,000 to $245,000,000 We'll continue to expand our gross margins off of Q1 and we're reducing our cash burn guidance, which Kevin will walk through. There's a lot that went well in Q1. Our commercial and medical affairs teams are driving exome and genome as the standard of care in the pediatric setting. This increased utilization positively impacted our product mix, which came in at about 30% exome and genome, with this representing over 70% of our total revenue. Over time, we expect to drive substantially all of our volumes and revenues to Exome and Genome. Speaker 200:04:13So our product mix this quarter is a sign of early success on this path to a 2 test future. We continue to drive market leadership with 80% of all clinical exomes being run at GeneDx. The providers that we're targeting fall into 2 categories: geneticists and pediatric specialists, including pediatric neurologists and pediatric developmental specialists. We're focusing on deeper penetration in existing accounts as well as new customers. Improving reimbursement was also a bright spot for the team in Q1. Speaker 200:04:48We saw faster than planned improvements in our average reimbursement rates, which also positively contributed to the strength of the quarter. We still believe there's room to improve that over time. We're operating with a strong value towards cash management efficiency and scalability, and we've seen market improvements as we integrate new tools and technologies, streamline processes, introduce machine learning features and drive down COGS in our lab. Our team also retired more than 400 tests to simplify our menu in line with our strategy. We continue to say that our flagship exome and genome products have the rare attributes of being both what is best for patient care and best for our business. Speaker 200:05:32Today, 1 in 10 Americans have a rare disease with 50% of them being children. We know that the expanded utilization of testing reveals that far more people are impacted by genetic diseases, and we are committed to serving this growing patient population in the future. Our sites are set on diagnosing all hereditary disease in as many families as possible. So over time, we'll introduce GeneDx to broader patient populations to inform health decisions through every stage of life. But for now, our team is focused on helping end the diagnostic honesty for as many children and families as quickly as we can, and that purpose motivates our team each and every day. Speaker 200:06:12And with that, I'll hand the call over to Kevin. Speaker 300:06:14Thanks, Catherine. 1st quarter 2024 revenues from continuing operations grew to $61,500,000 compared to $40,700,000 in the Q1 of 2023 $58,100,000 in the Q4 of 2023. That is an increase of 51% year over year and 6% sequentially. Our team resulted over 16,500 whole exome and genome tests in the Q1, which generated revenues of $44,000,000 in the 1st quarter from the Exome and Genome portfolio. That's an increase of 96% year over year and 12% sequentially. Speaker 300:06:51Both volume and collection performance contributed to the growth. Adjusted gross margin from continuing operations was 61 percent in the Q1 of 2024, up from 34% a year ago and up from 56% in the Q4 of 2023. The margin expansion during the quarter is driven by all three of continued favorable mix shift towards exome, improved exome average reimbursement rates and continued cost per test leverage. On mix, exome and genome surpassed a key milestone representing 30 percent of all tests resulted this quarter. That's up from 17% a year ago and up from 27% in the Q4 of 2023. Speaker 300:07:33We continue to believe that over time nearly all hereditable disease diagnosis will be run on an exome or genome backbone and that our total gross margin will continue to benefit as these high value prop tests pick up greater share of our overall test volume and replace lower margin products. On average reimbursement rate, we've amplified resources in line with the 3 focus areas Catherine outlined. One such imperative was improving exome reimbursement rate through denial reduction. In the Q1 of 2024, our average reimbursement for the Exome and Genome portfolio after all denials was approximately 2 $1,500 in the Q4 of 2023. We are encouraged with the uptick here, but the reality is that nearly half of all exome claims are still being denied. Speaker 300:08:23A large portion of all denials are administrative in nature for claims not meeting a variety of non medical requirements designed by payers. And we're working hard to ensure upfront order, document collection and claim submission processes evolve to enable insurance specific workflows to improve our probability of success. Another large portion of our denials might abate over time as Medicaid policy continues its momentum toward broad coverage for exome and genome. And already in 2024, 2 states have expanded coverage for rapid whole genome in the NICU. And in the outpatient setting, New York State added exome coverage to their medical plan effective April 1, 2024. Speaker 300:09:05That brings us to 28 states covering exome in the outpatient setting and 11 covering rapid whole genome inpatient. We applaud those states for taking this important step, but there is still a long way to go towards ensuring nationwide equitable access for all patients who need it. On cost per test, the team has done a great job. Lower input costs and wet lab process improvements are the headliners this quarter, but we continue to believe that automation across clinical interpretation operating expense. Total adjusted operating expense was $45,400,000 for the Q1 of 2024. Speaker 300:09:48That is a reduction of 26% year over year and 6% sequentially. Having again delivered reduced costs, we're approaching what I consider to be a normalized OpEx base for the business. Our team has built the muscle memory for efficiency, and we will not stop looking for ways to improve operating leverage throughout the business. On the bottom line, total company adjusted net loss for the Q1 of 2024 narrowed to $9,500,000 That's an improvement of 83 percent year over year and 52% sequentially. Our first quarter cash burn was $17,200,000 which improved 71% year over year and 48% sequentially. Speaker 300:10:32I'd call out that net cash burn this quarter included approximately $6,000,000 to fund the company's annual 401 employer match, approximately $2,900,000 in what can be considered one time payments related to previously reserved legacy semaphore refund requests and $800,000 in severance payments related to our previously announced cost reduction initiative. We've now delivered 8 consecutive quarters of cash burn reduction and expect to drive sequential declines in cash burn each quarter of 2024. Cash, cash equivalents, marketable securities and restricted cash was $113,900,000 as of March 31, 2024. And as a reminder, in October 2023, we announced that we entered into a 5 year senior secured credit facility with Perceptive Advisors. The agreement provided for up to $75,000,000 in capacity, consisting of an initial tranche of $50,000,000 which was drawn in October 2023 and an optional second tranche of $25,000,000 which is available through December 2024. Speaker 300:11:36Now turning to guidance. As Catherine said, we are raising previously issued revenue guidance and now expect to deliver revenues between 235 $1,000,000 $245,000,000 for full year 2024. We're raising previously issued adjusted gross margin guidance and now expect to land the full year adjusted gross margin at 60% or higher. Improving the low end of our net cash burn guide and now anticipate using $70,000,000 to $80,000,000 of net cash for the full year of 2024. And finally, we once again reiterate our expectation to turn profitable in 2025. Speaker 300:12:15With that, I'll now turn it back to Catherine for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:12:19Wonderful. Thanks, Kevin. The shift from single gene testing to multi gene testing began more than a decade ago. And now we're successfully shifting the rare disease market from multi gene panels to exome and genome. This takes time and the dedication of a team that wants to win for the growing number of patients and families who rely on us, and it's all made possible by the shareholders who support our growth. Speaker 200:12:42I'd like to thank our team and our investors for the opportunity to prove that we can set a new standard of clinical care while running a really good business. We know that the path to profitability is one that not many companies in our space have achieved and we are fully committed to making that happen to ensure we can help more and more families and return value to our shareholders along the way. We'll now open the call up for questions. Operator00:13:07Thank you. And our first question comes from the line of Dan Brennan with TD Speaker 400:13:32the question and obviously congrats on another good quarter. Maybe for a few questions on the quarter and the guide. Obviously, we had the FDA issued the LDT guidance today. And I'm just wondering any comments from management about what you thought of it, what stood out, how it might impact the company? Speaker 200:13:50Certainly. We were happy to see the 500 plus page document come out earlier today after a lot of speculation. Net net, we think that this is a good opportunity. We have been planning for this new era of FDA regulation. In fact, we've hired a Head of Regulatory, who's joining the team. Speaker 200:14:17So I think we are well prepared to ensure that we can comply with FDA. And having been operating the lab for 20 plus years and having complied with CLIA New York State, we have a really, really strong system and very good, I would say, regulatory and quality systems already in place. So we're looking forward to moving into this new era. Speaker 400:14:47And then maybe sorry, Kathy, maybe just one quick follow-up to that and then maybe just one quick one on the business. But from like a competitive standpoint, the fact that existing LDTs get grandfathered in. So A, had you guys earmarked some costs associated with maybe with running PMAs or anything of that sort that maybe now you might not have to do? And then B, would you expect it could raise the hurdle because you're on the market and for other players that want to come in, does it at all make it harder for future players to compete? Speaker 200:15:20Yes. We think that this is an important opportunity for us. As we said today, we've run more clinical exomes than anyone. We've got such a robust, what we believe is the largest rare disease data asset, running exome and genome. So we think that it's a really important opportunity for us to be able to set the standard as we move into compliance with FDA. Speaker 200:15:47And we think that there should be a high bar as it pertains to others being able to enter the market. But, we're still calling through the 500 plus pages and working with our consultants and our regulatory and clinical teams to best determine exactly how we're going to move forward. But we've baked in costs associated with it. So we're feeling good about the opportunity ahead. Speaker 400:16:19And then maybe I'll just ask one on the business. Obviously, there'll be many I'm sure to follow. But you reiterated guide for profitability by 2025 although you did raise the gross margin guide pretty early this year, you lowered the burden this year. So is the profitability guide the fact that it stays like something must have changed in that profitability guide. Is it for a quarter in 2025? Speaker 400:16:38Is it full year? Just any more color about the impact in 2025 versus the benefits you're seeing come in better than expected in 2024? Speaker 300:16:48Yes, Dan. Look, we're super pleased with Q1's performance. I think that's representative in the improved outlook that we provided for the remainder of the year. We said all along that the full year 2025, we expect to be profitable and there'll be a quarter in there in which we make that turn. We hadn't specifically called out the timing there. Speaker 300:17:11Overall, I think we're standing behind our overall commitment that the full year on balance will be profitable and that there'll be a quarter within that year where we make that sustainable turn. Speaker 400:17:24Great. All right. I'll get back in the queue. Thanks guys. Congrats. Operator00:17:30Thank you. One moment please for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Mark Massaro with BTIG. Speaker 500:17:42Hey guys, congratulations on another good quarter. This looks like it's the 4th consecutive quarter of sequential revenue growth. And I know you didn't provide guidance for Q2, but with this rising mix shift to exome and genome and your sales force aligned to sell those, which come in at a higher price, is it reasonable for us to extrapolate that you could have sequential revenue growth perhaps throughout this year? Speaker 300:18:19Yes, I think that's fair, Mark. I continue to call out that the 4th quarter is typically our seasonally strongest quarter and I see no reason for that to change this year. So in line with that, I do want to call out that we expect and have delivered consistent robust revenue growth in Exome, would expect that to continue. But at the same time, the non exome portion of our portfolio, we don't want to surprise anybody if we see volumes and revenues decline in those testing lines. That would be in line with our strategy to overall replace those testing lines with exome and genome. Speaker 500:18:59Okay. And maybe just a clarification question. I think I heard you talk about a $2,600 exome genome panel ASP up from $2,500 in the last quarter. Did you provide a metric on the patient on the denial rate? I assume you probably had some improvement in denials or collections in the quarter. Speaker 500:19:23And then can you speak to any lift from new payers like whether it's Medicaid or some commercial payer coming on? Speaker 300:19:31Yes. All of the improvements in that average reimbursement rate would come visavis reduction in denials. There's been no changes to underlying contracted pricing. And so reduction in denials with the denial rate just north of 50% in the Q1. Speaker 500:19:50Okay, got it. And then related to that, I mean, what do you think a long term run rate could be for exome, genome ASPs? I know if you're at around the 2,600 level today, I think you're getting paid more than 2 times that from other health plans. So I guess where do you see perhaps a normalized run rate even if it's 2 to 3 years from now? Speaker 300:20:19Yes. Look, I think over time, you might expect a reduction in the denial rate, potentially some reduced contracting rates such that the $2,600 we experienced in the Q1, I consider to be a new floor, for us to work off of over the next several quarters and couple of years. Speaker 500:20:40Okay, got it. And maybe last one for me. You guys exceeded my revenue projections by well over $11,000,000 So I must not be a good modeler or you guys are just executing well. I guess, can you speak to, if you had any success converting accounts from Invitae in the quarter? And then related to that, I know that LabCorp put in a bid and won the assets to acquire Invitae. Speaker 500:21:10Can you just speak to what your expectations are from any potential of perhaps converting some of those Invitae accounts later this year? Speaker 200:21:23Perfect. Yes. So the rare disease business at Invitae, is in part centered on one of our core targets in terms of providers that we're focused on, and that's the pediatric neurology market. So we have been targeting them. And as we've talked about, as we pull back from general pediatricians to really double down in that space, that's where we're seeing, really good success, both with new customers who haven't been ordering genetic testing where we convert them rapidly to utilizing our exome out of the gate. Speaker 200:22:07And then we have seen success in pediatric neurologists who have been ordering panels, including panels from Invitae and getting them to start ordering our exome. So we have seen success there and expect that we'll continue to convert that entire market and that segment from panels to exomes. I think LabCorp has obviously made an important acquisition and that hereditary cancer business that Invitae built is certainly kind of the shining star there. The rare disease panels business, we think over time will become obsolete and we'll be converting all of that to exome and genome. But that's a core part of our strategy, as we think about expanding utilization of that the most comprehensive test that's providing rapid turnaround times as quickly as panels and most patients not having an out of pocket. Speaker 200:23:16So we'll continue to turn the crank on that from a commercial and medical affairs perspective. Speaker 500:23:24Okay, sounds good. Congrats on the quarter and I'll hop back in the queue. Speaker 200:23:29Awesome. Thanks, Mark. Operator00:23:31Thank you. One moment please for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Matt Sykes with Goldman Sachs. Speaker 600:23:42Hey, good afternoon, Catherine and Kevin. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on the quarter. Maybe Catherine, just kind of a high level question, but you had mentioned in the press release that the data and I know you'd released earlier that you presented at the American College of Medical Genetics, comparing exome versus CMA. I know converting people from CMAs to exome is part of the challenge here, education awareness. That data set in particular, how much do you think that will help in that education awareness? Speaker 600:24:13And do you need to continue to provide data similar to that to convince people to start with exome first? And how much more education awareness do you feel like you need to do? Speaker 200:24:24Yes. It's really important data for us when we think about kind of refocusing in the future on the general pediatric segment. So what we started to see last year when we did enter the general, peds segment was, their tendency to utilize CMA. And therefore, the data that we've been able to generate is super helpful in terms of being able to not only go to payers, but ensure that we can continue to educate clinicians who are ordering CMA. We have seen since we have refocused our commercial strategy away from the general pediatricians and to the pneuros. Speaker 200:25:10As you would expect, our CMA volume has shifted. So we think this is really important for the longer term strategy of being able to educate that broader pediatric pediatrician segments. But over the next several years, we're really going to be doubling down on pediatric neurologists, pediatric developmental specialists. And in those settings, there is less utilization of CMA. So we think the data that we've generated is really, really good for the longer term strategy. Speaker 600:25:46Got it. Very helpful. Thank you. And then just on the exome genome test mix, it looks like you guys have kind of averaged around 300 basis points per quarter in terms of improving that mix towards exome genomes. Is that a number that we should could kind of extrapolate for the balance of this year with maybe a higher step up in Q4 because of seasonality? Speaker 600:26:06I'm just given the importance to margins, just trying to figure out the cadence of this test mix, how regular it is, how predictable it is and how you look at driving that mix shift higher in terms of increases on a quarterly basis? Speaker 300:26:21Yes, I think certainly sequential increases is absolutely fair. So anywhere in that range of 1% to 3%. I think we've said all along that all else equal, a test mix of roughly 40% would get us profitable at sort of consistent gross margin profiles and our OpEx profile. If you think about a turn to profitability in 2025, sort of a steady march up towards that point is what we'd expect. Speaker 600:26:55Got it. And then just for my final question, just on reimbursement. If you just remind me and apologies if you've said this before, but just sort of the percentage of patients that you face that are Medicaid eligible, just given the traction you've had in some of the states that have passed that, just want to get a sense for the context of the Medicaid population. And then secondarily, Kevin, you mentioned the half of Exome claims are still being denied and I know addressed some of the dials on the earlier question. I was just wondering that in terms of like moving that denial rate down, is that like a body problem in terms of just hiring more people to do that largely administrative work? Speaker 600:27:33Or do you feel like you can move the needle on denials with the current staff and OpEx spend that you have today? Speaker 300:27:41Yes. On the first, roughly 15% to 20% of the business volume wise is institutional. And so the remainder then of the Exome and Genome business is split between commercial insurance and Medicaid. And there's roughly a fifty-fifty split in that insurance channel between commercial and Medicaid. With, as we've called out, 28 states covering outpatient and 11 on the rapid whole genome product inpatient. Speaker 300:28:16And so, a disproportionately higher denial rate today in the Medicaid populations for wherever volume is sourced from those states without coverage. And then on addressing front end processes, no, not necessarily a body problem or something that we can solve just by throwing more bodies at it, more so ensuring that upfront workflows from the ordering system through the time of claim submission are specific and unique to individual patient insurance products. Rather than a one size fits all process, what we see is vast disparity in the medical necessity requirements as well as administrative requirements to ensure that exome and genome claims ultimately get paid. And so some work to do to make sure that processes are accustomed to those unique workflows is what has to happen. That's more technology based and process based than just adding people, if that makes sense. Speaker 600:29:19Got it. Thanks. Very helpful. Operator00:29:23Thank you. One moment please for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Stanton with Jefferies. Speaker 700:29:37Hey, thanks. A lot has been covered in terms of the guidance increase both on the revenue and margin side and reiterating the targets for 25%. But Kevin, we just look to get your kind Speaker 300:29:46of high level thoughts, just visibility you have Speaker 700:29:48in the business today and just maybe how much that's improved over the last few quarters here? Speaker 300:29:55Yes. Look, we've invested a lot into the team. And in 2020 3, learned a lot of lessons with respect to commercial execution. I think the team is well poised to now understand what call points work for us. And we have the right size and skill set across the commercial organization. Speaker 300:30:20So I think it provides some of the confidence that allowed us to raise our guidance this earlier in the year. We think it's a substantial raise in guidance and look forward to using some of those lessons learned over the past year or 2 as we've developed the strategy to start to expand the utilization of the exome and genome. The team has what it needs to execute on our plan. And so looking forward to seeing the results as the year progresses. Speaker 700:30:54Thanks. And then maybe one quick one, just an update on the sales force realignment you did last quarter to target more profitable accounts. And then any color around the enterprise sales team? I know it's a bit longer cycle, but just any update around some of those changes you made more recently? Thanks. Speaker 200:31:11Sure. Yes, you've got the sales force scope absolutely right. We've got 54 sales reps, and about 9 medical science leads onto our focus on the outpatient opportunity, which is predominantly with our axome. And we put that into place in the Q4 in anticipation of 2024. We're really happy with the performance of the team. Speaker 200:31:39We feel like we've got the right incentive comp program in place. And I think that's based on what we're seeing year to date by way of volume in the door, percentage of mix, we're feeling really good that the team is executing, that they're focused on the right accounts, that they are importantly motivated by their incentive comp plan. So I feel great about the team and continuing to drive forward with 2024. So good momentum with the sales force. And you're absolutely right on the enterprise side of things. Speaker 200:32:22We have a small team that is going in and doing enterprise wide sales for that NICU opportunity. NICU is, I think an important market for us, but it's a different type of sales approach. We think that it's a really good way to be able to try a different sort of consultative sale with the C suite and really be able to get some of the health economics data in front of these hospital systems. There are a fixed number of beds in the NICU setting. So we think it's a way to be able to introduce genomics at more of a system wide level. Speaker 200:33:10And to your point about it's a longer selling cycle, that's exactly why. But we would hope to see in 2025, some a greater percentage of volume and revenue coming in from that NICU segment. But this year, we're anticipating you'll just be a rinse and repeat from last year. Speaker 700:33:32Super. Thank you. Operator00:33:35Thank you. I'll now turn the call back over to CEO, Kathryn Stuewen, for any further remarks. Speaker 200:33:43Thank you so much. We appreciate all of the great questions and engagements. We'll continue to provide updates on our progress and we look forward to seeing you at upcoming investor conferences. So thanks so much. Have a good night. Operator00:34:00Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating. This does conclude today's program and you may now disconnect.Read morePowered by