Banco Santander-Chile Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 14, 2024

There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Banco Santander Chile's First Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Please note that this call is being recorded. Following the presentation, there will be a question and answer session. I will now hand over to Emiliano to begin the presentation.

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Banco Santander Chile's Q1 2024 results webcast and conference call. This is Semigiano Muratore, CFO, and I'm joined today by Christian Vicuna, Chief of Strategic Planning and Investor Relations and Carmen Gloria Silva, our Economist. The agenda for today is: 1st, Carmen Gloria will discuss the macro scenario then Cristian Micuna will review the strategy and results of the Q1 and guidance. And finally, we will have a Q and A session, where we will also comment on the recent material facts that was published this morning.

Speaker 1

First, I want to express my gratitude for your presence at this quarterly meeting. Let's get down to business, where we'll discuss our performance during the Q1 and recent results. Okay. The macro conditions have continued its expected trend and the first installment of the FCIC, approximately 54% of the position was paid on April 1. All this helped our margins and net income recovery in April, where we showed a back to normal net income of MXN 71,000 with an ROE of over 20% on the month.

Speaker 1

We expect Central Bank of Chile to continue its rate reduction strategy, although at a lower pace for the latter part of the year. This positive impact on funding cost. We'll delve into the specific of our quarterly results in a moment. Now I hand over to Carmen Gloria for our macro overview.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Emiliano. Last year, the economy had a significant adjustment, reverting the balances accumulated from previous periods. By the end of 2023, we saw a modest rebound with GDP growing 0.2% for the year, surpassing previous estimates. However, domestic demand was weaker than anticipated, suffering a decline of over 4%, largely months of 2024, pushed by more external demand, better supply factors like the greater added value of power generation and a new rise in consumption. The pace of growth will likely slow down, but the initial increase means a GDP growth of around 2.8% in 2024 and above 2% in 2025, closing the gap with its potential level.

Speaker 2

This economic trend will be supported by a steady improvement in employment and more favorable financial conditions as monetary policy returns to normal and inflation slows. Slowed in 2020 3, finishing the year with a U. S. Variation of 4.8% compared to more than 13% in 2022 due to lower domestic demand, tighter monetary policies and stable international prices. Although recent inflation news, price shocks and currency levels may put some pressure on local prices in the next month.

Speaker 2

We expect them to ease by the end of the year with a U. S. Variation of 3.7%. We anticipate reaching the 3% level target by the Q2 of 2025. Regarding the exchange rate, we have seen a relevant peso appreciation from levels in February 2024 to close MXN 1,000 per dollar to current level above MXN 920 per dollar following the recovery of the copper prices.

Speaker 2

We estimate that this trend will continue during the year allowing for lower inflationary pressures. Considering the growth outlook and inflation path, we expect the Central Bank to keep lowering the rates, ending the year around 4.75% with a 50 basis point cut in the next meeting and between 25 50 basis times for later meetings in the year. The rest of Latin America and the U. S. Show comparable patterns.

Speaker 2

In general economic activities and inflation are returning to central bank goals. With this, monetary policy actions are likely to be more stimulative this year. This decline in uncertainty in Chile and the region creates a more favorable scenario for this year. Regarding the relevant regulatory framework, the government is carrying out a fiscal pact, seeking to modernize the current tax system. The main sources of financing are measures against tax evasion for which a tax compliance bill is being discussed in Congress, which seeks to collect 1.5 percent of GDP.

Speaker 2

It also includes pro growth measures, such as improvements in permitting processes already in Congress, greater spending efficiency and other tax reforms related to increasing taxpayer tax burden. While the Chamber of Deputy approved the idea of reforming the pension fund system considering a Social Security scheme among other measures. However, the proposal did not obtain sufficient support for the additional 6% contribution and its distribution between individual capitalization accounts and Social Security Fund has been debated. The reform is now being discussed in the Senate and it will face intense negotiation process to be approved. The banking industry is facing the process of implementing the open finance final discussion in Congress.

Speaker 2

The tax final discussion in Congress. The text establishes a registry of information and credit obligations with the aim of improving people's credit information and at the end, provide better financial products and services. Finally, the fraud law approved in 2020 established that banks can take less legal action if they collect information that proves fraud or serious negligence by part of the usage of payment methods. Since its implementation, unknown operations have increased significantly and a relevant portion of them could be associated to sell fraud schemes, generating relevant losses for the industry. In this sense, the recent amendments to this law will help mitigate these negative consequences.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Carmen Goya. This is Christian Vicuna speaking. Good morning, everyone. Now I will proceed to review strategy and results. Turning our attention to Slide 8, let me begin by remind you of our commitment to our Chile first strategy.

Speaker 1

We aspire to lead Chilean Banking Industry in terms of contribution to its various stakeholders. This strategy we have named Chile First with 4 pillars. The first two pillars focus on what we want to become and the second two pillars on how we want to do it. So first and foremost, we are engaging a transformative journey towards becoming a digital bank with branches. Our transformation into a digital bank is not only about adopting the cutting edge technology, but also about having a friendly physical presence through our innovative WorkFS.

Speaker 1

These spaces are more than just places to interact with retail customers. They are dynamic hubs that promote connectivity for both customers and potential customers. With advanced technology and a commitment to excellent service, our work affair are designed to redefine the banking experience. The medium term objective is to reach 5,000,000 customers and 450,000 SME clients. Our second pillar is centered on providing specialized value added services tailored to our Sun Business segment.

Speaker 1

Our commitment is to deliver premium transactional trade, foreign exchange, sustainable finance and advisory products and services ensuring our clients receive a top notch experience. Examples of this include our corporate investment bank, our specialized attention model for commercial banking, our Santander consumer business that offer card financing and JetNet our acquiring business. In our 3rd pillar, we are committed to fostering innovation and propelling growth by challenging status quo and creating new business opportunities. A good example of this is the disruption we incurred in Chile with the 4 part model when we introduced our acquiring business, Getnet to the market. So we aim to lead the change in redefining the banking landscape.

Speaker 1

We actively seek out new business opportunities pioneering the sustainable transformation of our customers. By challenging conventions, we aim to drive growth and cultivate success. Lastly, we place great importance on the role of our organization. To realize our objectives, we need the best talent. We are dedicated to building an agile, collaborative and high performance culture.

Speaker 1

We recognize that diversity is our strength and individuals will flourish based on merit. We are constructing a thriving community where talents are nurtured and innovative ideas are highly valued. The outstanding success of our digital products has been firmly established during 2023 2024 with the continuous growth of our digital client base. Key initiatives such as Santander Life and more recently Mas Lucas have been instrumental in achieving this. The Mazluca's account was launched in March 2023 and is the first 100% digital site on savings account for the mass market.

Speaker 1

It now has over 163,000 clients exceeding our expectations. It currently accounts for over 30% of our new accounts opening per month. Notably, the onboarding process for Masluca is entirely digital featuring facial recognition technology and no password requirements. This account comes with no fixed or variable costs and accepts deposits of up to MXN 5,000,000. On slide 10, we can see how the advances of our digital strategy are allowing us continue the transformation of the branch network through Work Cafes to improve productivity.

Speaker 1

Our banks Work Cafes branches are expanding to cater to a specific needs of our clients. We have launched 3 new types of Work Cafe formats, the successful Work Cafe espresso which consolidates cash operations into transaction hubs while maintaining a work of the ambiance. This is a great initiative as it provides an efficient and secure banking experience for our customers. We have already opened 7 as of May of these branches impacting positively on the community that use them with better levels of experience, extended hours and increased security. We also have our work at a startup, which offers a comprehensive solution to all the needs of entrepreneurs and especially to increase banking usage, carry out pilot programs with the bank and even offering finance.

Speaker 1

This is a great way to support entrepreneurs and help them grow their business. Finally, we have launched Work Cafe in Brasiones, a dedicated asset management Work Cafe, the SIEM especially for investment advice for clients and non clients independent of their income situation. In this branch, we offer weekly talks about different investment products or economic trends to provide advice services and in this way support financial education. At the bottom of the slide, you can see how the use of digital channels and the transformation of our branch network has led to a new level of branch footprint decreasing 24% in 2022 and a further 14% in 2023 to a level of 2 46 branches as of today. Notably, 31% of our branches no longer have human tellers with these branches providing value added services like our traditional work effect.

Speaker 1

At the same time, our productivity has continued to improve with loan and deposit volumes per branch increasing 20% year over year and 12.8% rising the same metric per employee during the same period. On Slide 11, we can see how our key initiatives with SMEs are driving an impressive growth in this segment. Our digital life account for SMEs continue to drive a 36% year over year increase in total SME clients with more than 381,000 SME clients. When considering current accounts for businesses as reported by the CMF, we have seen a remarkable 35% increase capturing over 36% of the market as of January 2024. GetNet, our acquiring business continued to be an important driver for capturing new SME clients as well as expanding into larger clients requiring a host to host solution for more sophisticated customers requiring a more integrated payment system.

Speaker 1

Currently, Getnet operates more than 177,000 active points of sales terminals across the country. During the Q1 of 2024, Getnet generated fees totaling MXN14.3 billion and a net income of MXN3.3 billion. On slide 12, we are pleased to show that we have been very consistent in leading the market in terms of customer recommendation net promoter score, sustaining levels of above 60 points. Our NPS score is based on feedback from over than 50,000 surveys measuring over 30 NPS metrics across our various service channels on a daily basis. This invaluable feedback allows us to proactively manage and improve our client service.

Speaker 1

Our digital and remote channels continue to receive very high levels of satisfaction from our clients with our app and website achieving scores over 70 points. Our contact center is also highly rated outperforming our peers. Now let's talk about the trends in our results and balance sheet in 2024 and the Q1. On Slide 14, we show our results for the Q1 of the year. We exceeded our initial guidance for ROE in the Q1 of 2024, achieving a net income attributable to shareholders of ARS120 1,000,000,000 with a quarterly ROE of ARS11.2 billion.

Speaker 1

We have already published our preliminary numbers for April, where in the month we made ARS71 1,000,000,000 being in the best top 10 months in our history in terms of results, reaching a monthly ROE of 20%. We are expecting this fast recovery to continue throughout the year. Our operating segments continue to grow steadily and our book value has risen by more than 6% year on year, resulting in a 10% increase of the total net asset value per share plus dividend per share. On Slide 13, we can see the growth in our loan balances. The quarter saw a 1.1% increase in loans and a 5 0.5% year on year rise mainly for mortgage and commercial lending.

Speaker 1

Mortgage loans grew a bit more than U. S. Variation in the quarter, but will be in line with inflation going forward. Consumer lending was driven by credit card growth after a period of less demand due to high household liquidity. Commercial loans grew mainly from translation gains since about 23% of our commercial loans are in foreign currency with less demand for new loans due to economic conditions.

Speaker 1

Our loan book should grow at a moderate rate this year following the economy. The bank's liquidity position was robust in the quarter as its total deposits kept growing a strong 2.2% on the quarter and 8.4% year over year. The growth was mainly driven by time deposits 4.8% in the quarter due to a rise in large corporate deposits as the client found the still moderately high interest rates appealing. Our demand deposits remained stable at end of year levels, levels that normally have a seasonal effect in December, something that we consider as positive. Our clients boosted their mutual fund investments through a bank growing an impressive 12.7% in the quarter, achieving a high growth in AUMs.

Speaker 1

The bond issuance went up taking advantage of local and global fixed income markets. During the pandemic, we obtained CNY6.2 trillion in credit lines from the Central Bank of Chile. This credit line has 2 deadlines, 1 on April 1 and the other and final one on July 1, 2024. We have already repaid the first deadline, COP3.3 trillion, which was around 55% of the total using the liquidity deposit program provided by the Central Bank. For the 2nd deadline, we have almost all set up in Central Bank liquidity deposits, thus the final payment of the FCC is well covered and will have no impact on liquidity of the bank.

Speaker 1

After the repayment of the entire FCIC, we estimate that our LCR will be around 170 percent showing ample liquidity. On Slide 17, for the Q1, we achieved a 2.7% NIM, confirming our recovery as planned. Our net interest income grew 31% year over year and dropped 4% in the quarter. The NII in the Q1 benefited from higher interest income as the lower monetary policy rate reduced our funding cost to 5.3% in the 1st 3 months of the year, but this was partly offset by lower income from readjustment due to the 0.8% U. S.

Speaker 1

Variation in the quarter. We expect our NIM to keep recovering in the next quarters and to reach at least 3.2% for 2024 with our client NIM stable and significant improvement in our non client NIM. The first FCIC payment reduced our interest earning assets by 6 percent in April, resulting in a monthly NIM of 3.5% for April and a 2.9% year to date. This is a yearly improvement of 58 basis points and we expect this recovery to continue throughout the year. Regarding asset quality, we see that our NPL ratio is rising as expected in the face of the economic cycle.

Speaker 1

The March figure on consumer loans NPLs was 2.3% and the mortgage NPLs was 1.5%. Our commercial portfolio NPLs was 3.5% for the quarter. The recent growth in NPLs is partially explained by a slower increase of the denominator of the ratio that is to say the loan book is not growing strongly. As we can see, most of the NPL growth is explained by commercial loans and more recently by the mortgage loan group. The growth in commercial loans NPLs is explained largely by some particular names in the agricultural industry and some real estate companies.

Speaker 1

Most of them already considering the impaired portfolio. In general, these commercial loans have guarantees reducing the risk exposure and this is true also for mortgage loans. We anticipate NPLs to peak in the next few months and then to start improving the second half of this year. Our impaired loan ratio, which covered both NPLs customer deterioration in the commercial single and restructure loans is still lower than before the pandemic, although with an upward trend. The impaired ratio for March was 5.8%.

Speaker 1

This results in a coverage ratio of 142 percent of our NPLs. Before the pandemic, mortgage made about a third of our total loan portfolio. Due to a strong growth of U. S. Denominated loans in recent years, mortgage now accounts for over 40% of our total loan.

Speaker 1

As mortgages are backed by a property, they need less coverage. So the change in loan mix will require less total coverage. Particularly our consumer loan book coverage is a sum 3 83%. The commercial portfolio coverage is 124% and the mortgage portfolio coverage is 71%, but this does not consider the collateralization of the portfolio with a strong loan to value. Cost of credit for the quarter was 1.26.

Speaker 1

As shown, our cost of credit is slightly increasing along with the changes in asset quality. For 2024, we project cost to credit to stay around 1.3% following the economic cycle and labor market conditions that are expected to improve in the second semester. Next, we look at the non NII revenue sources. Fee income increased 10.1 percent Q on Q as our clients use our digital platform more for our main products. The small year on year decline is mostly because of the effect of the interchange fee regulation that started in the last quarter of 2023 and some non recurring fees generated by our SSI B when compared to the Q1 of 2023.

Speaker 1

Income from financial transactions went down year over year mainly because of lower income from the trading portfolio after a comparable high first quarter last year and a general decrease quarter on quarter because of negative results in this line from liability management exercises in the period. On Slide 31, our core expenses were consistent with inflation year on year and dropped 2% in the quarter, mainly due to reduced personnel expenses. In the Q1 of this year, we recorded a one time other operating expense of COP17 1,000,000,000 related to the restructuring provisions. This is aligned with our strategy related to the branch network transformation and the progress of digital banking. As a result, our efficiency ratio was 47% for the quarter.

Speaker 1

Again, if we look at the April numbers, our year to date efficiency ratio improved to 44.6% with a 37.4% figure for this ratio on April standalone. During 2024, the bank is continuing to concentrate on the implementation of its CAD450 1,000,000 investment plan for the year 2023, 2026 for technology projects and branch renovation. We observed a positive evolution of our capital ratios. At the end of the Q1 of 2024, the bank reported a total ratio of capital of 17.6 percent and a core equity Tier 1 ratio of 10.4%. These figures consider the provision for the 70% annual dividend that was paid after approval by our shareholders meeting in April.

Speaker 1

On January 17, 2024, the CMF applied the current regulations on additional capital requirements according to Pillar 2, which contemplate 2 main topics, credit concentration risk and the market risk of the banking book. A Pillar 2 requirement was established for 6 banks in the Chilean system. Banco Santander Chile was not asked to establish additional capital for this pillar in this occasion. However, the measurement of the market risk of the Banquemboung will continue to be discussed and capital charges may be made in the coming years. Another relevant point to consider is that in the last shareholder meeting, the Board was granted the authority to raise the dividend payout provision above their legal minimum 30% for 2024 and onwards.

Speaker 1

Finally, on Slide 24, we conclude with a review of our guidance. As we mentioned, April's preliminary results show how the phasing out of the FCIC and the reduction in the monetary policy rates are benefiting the performance of the bank. We delivered net income of ARS71 1,000,000,000 and an ROE of 20% for the month, on good track to our historical performance already. Last week, the CPA number for April came out at 0.5%, higher than expectations and implying a solid month for margins in May 2, with the Q2 looking considerably stronger than the first. So these are early signs, but we are on track to deliver our 2024 guidance.

Speaker 1

Our macro expectations for 2024 are more positive compared to last year with an estimated GDP growth of 2.8%, a U. S. Variation of around 3.7%. However, with the monetary policy rate ending 2024 around 5%. With this, we expect loan growth to reach mid single digits as the economy reactivate.

Speaker 1

As we mentioned, in April, we'll really see a relevant recovery in our net interest margin. This trend should continue throughout the year and given our current macro expectation our NIM should reach levels of at least 3.2% for the full year. Non net interest income should be growing around mid single digits with good customer product trends, but impacted by the interchange fee regulation in cards that started at the end of 2023. Cost of risk increasing slightly to 1.3% with asset quality following in the economic cycle. Our core expenses should be growing less than inflation and the effective tax rate will be normalizing.

Speaker 1

With all of this, our ROE for 2024 will be recovering toward normalized levels. Although our Q1 was weaker, we can already expect a stronger second quarter. So with profitability improving throughout the year, we should be in the range of 15% to 17% for ROE for the full year. With all of this, our long term ROE objective remains in the range of 17% to 19%. With this, I finish my presentation and hand over to Emiliano Muradore.

Speaker 1

Hello, it's me again. In case you haven't seen it, earlier today, we released the material fact regarding a cybersecurity event. The disclosure states as follows. The Santander Group has recently become aware of unauthorized access to a database hosted by a third party provider. So that the group immediately implemented measures to manage the incident such as blocking the compromised access to the database and strengthened fraud prevention to protect customers.

Speaker 1

After the investigation carried out, the Santander Group can confirm that information has been accessed from clients of Santander Chile, Spain and Uruguay and from all employees and some former employees of the group. In the rest of the group's market and businesses, there is no client data affected. It's important to note that there is no transactional information in the database or Internet banking access credential or passwords that allowed you to operate with the bank. The bank's operational systems in Chile like those of the rest of Santander Group are not affected and customers can continue to operate safely. Thanks everybody.

Speaker 1

Now we welcome your questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now move to the question and answer section. Our first question comes from Tito Lovato from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Hi, good morning. Thank you for the call and taking my question. My question is just, I guess, on your long term ROE expectation, the 17% to 19%, I understand you have some issues this year. But just to go from the 15% to 17% that you're expecting in 24 to the 17% to 19%, just want to understand what the drivers will be for that. Would it be mostly further NIM expansion as you get all the FCIC will be completely off your books next year?

Speaker 3

I mean, do you expect rates to come down further in 2025? How dependent will it be on inflation? Or do you expect any acceleration in loan growth? Just thinking of all the different moving parts and what gives you comfort that ROE will expand another 2% in 2025? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Hello, Tito. Thank you for your question. Yes, I mean, long term, 20 25, yes, it's longer than 2024, but maybe not long enough. But yes, answering your questions, I mean, the 2 main drivers compared to 2024. First would be cost of risk.

Speaker 1

I mean, this year cost of risk will be above the long term and sustainable level for us considering the economic cycle and the macro situation for this year. So going forward that should be a tailwind for ROE. And the second, yes, is NIM together with the FCIC fade out plus the normalization of the monetary conditions. I mean, I mean by that reiterate conversion to low single digits, I mean, from to 2% or below. We are getting there, but not there yet.

Speaker 1

So those two factors along with the cost discipline we have always had plus the non NII coming from fees to be a sustainable revenue source are the main levers to go from the 15% to 17% this year to the 17% to 19% long term.

Speaker 3

Okay, perfect. Very clear. Thanks, Emiliano.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Neha Agarwala from HSBC. Please go ahead. I think we lost Neha. Perhaps we can take the question from her later.

Operator

In the meantime, we have a question from Daniel from Credicorp. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning and thank you for the presentation. I have one question regarding NPLs. Right now Santander has the highest NPL compared to the relevant peers, the largest, biggest peers in Chile. I would like to understand, what is the situation regarding the commercial NPL? For example, if you are seeing some specific sectors that is driving this increase in NPLs or the highest NPL compared to the industry level is more related to the loan mix in that segment?

Speaker 4

And what will be the what will be the actions that you will take to improve NPLs going forward? Thank you so much.

Speaker 1

Hi, Daniel. This is Cristian. It's true that our NPLs have increased in the last year in line in part with this situation of the economic cycle. If we review the evolution of our portfolio, we can see that the growth is mainly explained by 2 of the 3 increases, about 40% in mortgage loans and the rest in commercial loans for corporate clients. So both of them have a strong collateral.

Speaker 1

And regarding the corporate loans, we identified 2 portfolios with a concentration of NPLs in single names. So mostly agro and some particular cases in real estate. Both portfolios have very good collateral, so that lower the need of provisions and have already been considered in the impaired portfolio. So actually, we don't see this translating completely into cost of risk. So do we see a very moderate impact in our cost of risk, but we are seeing these NPLs of some deterioration in this corporate loans that we already knew because we already have accounted to them in their own preferred portfolio.

Speaker 1

So we expect the situation to start improving on the second half of the year mostly because of their employment figures and a return to growth of the country's GDP.

Speaker 4

Perfect. Thank you so much. It means that the normalized figure of cost of risk for Santander with the economic situation improving, interest rates low and inflation control will be between 1, 1.1 or it could be a higher number? Thank you so much.

Speaker 1

We're seeing something between 1.1% to 1.2% as us normalize in the long run.

Speaker 4

Perfect. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next

Speaker 5

I have a very quick one related to your business. I noticed that you guys maintain and change the guidance for the ROE speculations. But in this first quarter, we saw a contraction in the retail, CIB and the middle throughout basically those 3 main business units of the bank. So I just wanted to hear from you what you expect in terms of each of them in terms of recovery throughout the next quarterly results? And which one of them do you see the most like important one for this ROE rebound?

Speaker 5

Thank you very much guys.

Speaker 1

Hello, Raul. This is Emiliano. Thank you for your question. I mean, the Q1 performance in those business at the end has also a base comparison compared to what was the Q1 last year. In some cases, it was a very strong year.

Speaker 1

But if you look at the sequential of those businesses, especially the revenue part, I'm trying to leave aside regulatory effects like the interchange fee regulation on our retail business that basically got higher by the end of last year and it's putting some pressure on the fee part. The trends on revenues, customer acquisition, customer satisfaction in general are still strong across the board. I mean, we are in the corporate segments, as Christian was mentioning, dealing with a higher cycle in terms of NPLs, and we are dealing with that. But we are not concerned considering the level of collateral and the evolution of the macro on those segments. So we are still confident on having like a high single digit growth on each of the different segments because the macro conditions will be favorable, 1st, for consumer in terms of employment and GDP growth and the same for corporate with investment coming up from the low part of the bottom we had during this last 2 years.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Carlos Gomez from HSBC. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi. Can you hear me?

Speaker 1

Yes, Nikka. We can hear you.

Speaker 6

Hi. Sorry, my line got disconnected when you called for me. So I'm asking question on Carlos' line. Just a quick one, could you I'm sorry, I missed in the initial comments. What would be the impact from the standardization of provisioning models for the consumer portfolio?

Speaker 6

And when did you see that impact in provisions? And very quickly on the loan growth, could you give us some sense of how the different segments within the loan book are growing? Where should we see strongest growth this year and any particular segment that is lacking? Thank you so much.

Speaker 1

Okay. So first on the standard provisioning framework for consumer book, I mean, we expect the impact to be around like MXN 100,000 1,000,000 for by the end of the year. I mean, as of the Q1, it was about like MXN 85,000,000,000. But if we forecast or try to project what would be the situation by the end of the year, that it's when the regulation is taking place. It's going to be around ARS 100,000,000,000.

Speaker 1

We are going to use the voluntary provisions to cover that. So we have today around ARS 300,000,000,000 of voluntary provisions. About a third of that will be used to cover that. So we'll still have a MXN 200,000,000,000 remaining in voluntary provisions. Considering that, no impact on cost of risk expected.

Speaker 1

I mean, neither impact on the coverage ratio considering that basically we have already put aside those provisions and basically that will be what that will move from voluntary to say mandatory or statutory provisions. And in terms of loan growth, I mean, we see the book in general growing around the general guidance for the total loan book. I mean long term investments and CapEx for corporates may take some time to rebound maybe later in the year. So that as a whole, the segment could be slightly below the average. Mortgage is growing in line with U.

Speaker 1

S. Variation. I mean, so far, we have seen growth slightly above U. S. Variation.

Speaker 1

Going forward, we expect to be in line with inflation. That may put it between 4% to 5% growth in nominal pesos, maybe slightly below the average. And consumer is the one that with economic activity getting better, employment getting better and also the kind of leverage in households coming from a very low level of leverage out of the pandemic and the pension funds withdrawals and the fiscal helps people got from the government during the pandemic. Now we are we think that we can converge to, let's say, more normal historical levels of leverage and that would imply the consumer book to grow maybe above the average of the total loan book.

Speaker 6

Perfect. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Pablo from Banchile. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi, good morning to everybody. I have a question regarding the guidance for NIM for the year of 3.2%. I would imagine that, that means that for the second half of the year, the NIM should go to levels of around 3.5%. And what is what would be the driver for this increase in NIM? I understand, of course, the FICC is going out of the books for the second half of the year.

Speaker 7

But given that most of those are invested in papers with a similar rate of return, I would imagine the impact of that is not that high. So just if you could give us some more details on that.

Speaker 1

Yes. Hello, Paolo. Thank you for your questions. Yes, I mean, we said like NIM for the year should be at least 3.2%. Definitely, that has an upward trend.

Speaker 1

Already in April, we had an inflow for the month of around 3.5. And I would expect to be around that for the Q2 as a whole considering the CPI number we got from April. And so the main driver, as you said, I mean, the FCIC maturity as itself is not so material in terms of TIM. It is medically basically because the denominator of the ratio is falling by 10%, already fell 5% with the 1st maturity and it will fell around another 5% in July. So basically, the NIM asset ratio will go up close to 10% just because the denominator is falling.

Speaker 1

But the main driver is like the rates going down and inflation staying for the year around 3.5%, 3.7% as you have variation. And that will take, as you said, the NIM for the last part of the year, last quarter at 3.5% or higher in order to be for the full year at least at 3.2%. But the main driver is normalization of the monetary policy. We are today at 6.5 as monetary policy rate. We expect 50 basis points for the May meeting and then going forward cuts between 25 to 50 basis points in the following meetings to close around 475%, 5% for the year and that's basically the main driver for NIM going up with inflation staying around the levels we are seeing for Q2, maybe slightly below as a whole for the year, but closing at 3.7%, 3.8% UA variation for the year.

Speaker 7

Perfect. Also, if I can, given that you have this exposure to interest rate, Is that because your book has a higher gap in duration than other competitors in Chile? And for you guys to be able to reach the 17% to 19% long term ROEs, would that require increase in the loan book of commercial and consumer loans for the NIM to reach around 3.84 percent to get that ROE of 18%. Is that correct?

Speaker 1

So yes, I mean, but essentially, we don't know the details of other players, but it's our sense that our sensitivity to interest rates is higher to theirs as we saw in the tightening cycle. And so we would expect to be more benefited in now in the relaxing or the leasing cycle. Regarding loan growth for the long term ROE, yes, I mean, if we look at long term GDP growth expectations in nominal terms for the economy, we think about around 5%. And with that, the historical multiplier, it's above 1 for long growth. So in long term, we expect, yes, to mid from high to high single digit growth in the loan book in order to sustain the long term ROE and having the NIM in the high 3s.

Speaker 1

I mean, it's important to when we think about long term NIM and you try to look backwards to what we had in the past, it's also important to factor in that today the weight of the mortgage portfolio and the total loan book, it's much higher than used to be. So the 4.5s are higher NIMs we had in the past. With this composition on the loan book will be definitely harder to get and to be around 4% is something more reasonable to expect as a long term expectation.

Speaker 3

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Ernesto from Bank of America. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Thank you. Hi, good morning, Emiliano and Cristiano. Thanks for the opportunity to ask questions. Most of my questions have been answered, so I just have a couple of them. The first one will be on your effective tax rate.

Speaker 8

You were guiding it should be normalizing to historical levels, but just wanted to double check what would be those levels? And my second question is on Fintechs competition. Just wondering how do you see as the most important fintechs in the country or who are the technology competitors that you're seeing more aggressive? And also how do you see Santander Chile prepared for competition?

Speaker 1

Ernesto, this is Cristian. So our effective tax rate is actually some a couple of points below 25% when inflation is around 3 percent. So this year, with a couple of basis points above 3%, we should be seeing 1% or 2 percentage points below that. So in the ballpark of 21%, 22%. So that's why we are expecting a normalization of the effective tax rate.

Speaker 1

Regarding Fintechs, let me start and then Emiliano will complement. In Chile, actually, we are not seeing the presence of their large disruptive fintechs that are in place in our countries in the region like the new banks of this world in Brazil and Mexico. So we haven't seen the rise of this type of competitors locally. Actually, there are specific competitors in areas like factoring or international remittances of money. But actually those are very specific.

Speaker 1

And what we are also seeing is some increased competition from Fintechs within other traditional banks like the Credicorp initiative of Tempo and BCI as much. So actually what we are seeing more is a it's an environment where the incumbents are accelerating the transformation to address this competition. And this is where we've been leading the way with our life initiative and the Maslucas account. So we are we think we have been actually very, very successfully transforming ourselves to address potential new entrants. Having said that, I'm all there to say that the most relevant fintech competition, and if we can call them fintech, is Merca Mercado Pan.

Speaker 1

These are the guys that we are actually like seeing as a very relevant new entrants. Just to complement on Cristian, yes, I mean, I would say that Macao Paulo is the only regional relevant player that has entered the market. And we feel really confident about our capabilities to compete with them and with any other potential entrant. When you see our digital footprints in individual SMEs together with our get debt proposition in acquiring and in payments and when you put that in the context of the overall universal banking we do, our whole ecosystem is quite unique. I mean, customer satisfaction is good for us.

Speaker 1

I mean, we leave the market in that sense. So we don't discard further entrance. I mean, maybe because of the size of Chile, some of them hasn't haven't already entered, but they might enter in the future. But we think that we are really in a good position to compete to sustain our competitive positions, our current competitive positions and to grow further even with new entrants.

Speaker 8

Excellent. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. And we have a question from Alonso Aramburu from BTG. Please go ahead. Yes. Hi, good morning and thank you for the call.

Operator

Yes, two questions on my end. The first one on expenses, I was wondering if you can comment if you potentially have other provisions, restructuring provisions like you had this quarter in the rest of the year? And my second question regarding your guidance on ROE of 15% to 17% for this year. You had 20% in April for you to hit roughly the midpoint of that guidance. It seems like you need around 19% ROE for the rest of the year.

Operator

Just wondering if that's in line with what you're thinking? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes. I mean, I'll follow-up on Alonzo. Thank you for your question. I mean, we don't expect any additional one off provisions as we had in the Q1 for the rest of the year. And regarding ROE, yes, I mean, we still hold the range between 15% to 17%.

Speaker 1

So far, the macro evolution, the fall in rates and the inflation not falling so much as we were expecting before made us, yes, to be reasonable to be in the mid of that range. And as you said, it could be around 19% for the rest of the year. How higher or lower compared to that midpoint will depend basically on how rates evolve going forward. We have the monetary policy meeting by the end of May, where an additional cut is expected. And I think it's reasonable to expect to be in the mid of that range and with that having that high double digit ROE for the remainder of the year.

Operator

Perfect. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. I'm not seeing any more questions.

Operator

So perhaps I can hand back to Emiliano for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

So thank you very much, everyone for taking the time to participate in today's call. We look forward to speaking with you again soon.

Operator

That concludes the call for today. Thank you, and have a nice day.

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