Eaton Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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April 30, 2024
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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Eaton's first quarter 2024 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Yan Jin. Please go ahead.

Yan Jin
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at Eaton

Hey, good morning. Thank you all for joining us for Ethan's fourth quarter 2024 earning call. With me today are Craig Arnold, our chairman and CEO; Olivier Leonetti, Executive Vice President and the Chief Financial Officer. Our agenda today includes the opening remarks by Craig, then he will turn it over to Olivier who will highlight the company's performance in the fourth quarter. As we have done on our past calls, we'll be taking questions at the end of Craig's closing commentary. The price release and the presentation we will go through today have been posted on our website.

This presentation includes adjusted earning per share, adjusted free cash flow, and other non-GAAP measures. They're all reconciled in the appendix. A webcast of this call is accessible on our website and will be available for replay. I would like to remind you that our comments today will include a statement related to the expected future results of the Company and are therefore forward-looking statements. Our actual results may differ materially from our forecasted projections due to a wide range of risks and uncertainties that are described into our earnings release and the presentation. With that, I will turn it over to Craig.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Okay. Thanks, Yan. And we'll start with some highlights on page three. And I'll lead off by noting that we've delivered another strong quarter this year. Our adjusted EPS was $2.40 in the quarter, well above our guidance range. Our record for the quarter and up 28% from prior year. I'd also note that our orders came ahead of expectations with strong order growth in electrical both the Americas and global. On a rolling twelve month basis total electrical orders were up 7% and aerospace orders increased by 2%. This led to another quarter of growing and record backlogs, up 27% for electrical and 11% for aerospace with strong book to bill ratios.

The growth in orders and backlog support our point of view on the strength of the megatrends that were in the early stages and that our market should be strong for years to come. And given our Q1 results, we're raising our guidance for organic growth, segment margins, and adjusted EPS for the year. On balance, we're very pleased with our start to the year. In the last few quarters, we shared our framework on how we think about key growth drivers for the company. This chart reflects the sixth secular growth trends that are positively impacting our businesses today and quite frankly, for years to come.

We continue to think Eaton is uniquely positioned in most of our businesses and are expected to see an acceleration in market-driven growth opportunities for years to come. In the last three earnings calls, we provided a summary of progress on infrastructure spending, reindustrialization, utility and data center markets. We also shared the data center -- the data -- excuse me we're tracking on megaprojects, including when they are expected to have a material impact on our revenue. And an overview on the growth expectations and drivers for our aerospace business. Today, we'll once again provide you an update on what we're seeing on megaprojects.

I will also take a moment to show you the momentum that we're seeing in the nonresidential construction project market for those projects under $1 billion. Additionally, we'll provide you with a summary of the growth outlook for industrial facilities and how we're positioned in this market and lastly, because it's such a dynamic topic, we'll provide an updated view on how our now higher growth expectation for the data center market is unfolding.

Turning to slide five in the presentation, we summarized a number of megaprojects that have been announced since January of 2021 and as a reminder, a megaproject is a project with an announced value of a billion dollars or more, and the number is now 415 projects. Once again, this is North America data, but we are seeing a similar trend in Europe although the dollars are not as large. Just a few points to note. We've now surpassed $1 trillion in announced megaprojects, double we saw this time last year and 3x the normal run rate. Approximately 16% of these projects have started, but it does vary by type of project. For example, a large percentage of semiconductor and EV battery projects have started but downstream chemical, power generation renewables, and data center projects have some of the lowest project start rates to date.

And cancellations rates continue to be modest, around 10% and below historical rates. Using the current forecast, we expect over $100 to $150 billion of these projects to start this year. It's also worth noting that megaprojects represent 15% of total amount of residential construction starts in 2023. A number that we expect to grow over the next five years. For projects that have started we've won $1 billion of orders and our win rate is approximately 40%. We remain active in negotiations on another $1.4 billion of electrical content. Most of the projects represented here have not yet reached a negotiation stage.

Turning of slide six. We want to highlight the largest part of non-residential construction market projects under $1 billion. This market is projected to be over $500 billion in 2024 and represents around 50% of the US market. 56% increase since 2021 and a 16% CAGR. The market was actually up also 10% through Q1 of this year. So megaprojects grabbed a lot of the headlines. We're seeing significant strength in projects under $1 billion as well. And for projects less than $100 million construction starts were up 15%. So once again, strength across the entire market. This momentum is naturally being driven by the same set of megatrends and stimulus spending that we're seeing on megaprojects.

The primary markets here include utility, power generation, renewable, water, wastewater manufacturing and data centers. And our win rate in this segment is approximately 35%. Turning to slide seven, we highlight the industrial facilities end market. As we've reported this end market accounted for approximately 12% of Eaton's total[Phonetic] revenue in 2023. Reindustrialization and [Indecipherable] are having a particularly large impact on this market. Examples include semiconductor fabrication, EV and EV battery plants, as well as LNG terminals. At the same time, industrial markets are under growing, growing pressure to decarbonize, to lower cost and develop more sustainable operations.

These challenges are naturally driving a significant increase in capex investments. It's also coming at a time when technology and digitalization are providing more value through data as a service, software, and therefore the ability to provide operational intelligence. This allows customers to move from being reactive to proactive when managing energy and uptime, saving them time and money. For us, we increased both our content per project and our average selling price. These are the drivers that support our belief that industrial facilities end market will grow by some 7% between now, 2023 and 2026.

Slide eight provides an overview of the products and software that we sell as part of our industrial solutions portfolio. As noted, we think we have the broadest portfolio of products in the market. Our solutions are sold in both process and discrete manufacturing industries and are especially well suited to take advantage of the trends we discussed on the prior page. Our solutions help industrial companies optimize performance by lowering the cost of ownership and reducing complexity. They increase operational predictability with data driven insights and enhanced safety, protecting people and assets.

In addition to hardware and software, we provide a full suite of project management services, including design specifying commissioning, training, remote monitoring, and obviously, aftermarket service. And our bright layer industrial software platforms enables customers to preempt operational challenges because of the data and insights that come from our electrical equipment. Moving to slide nine you'll see an updated view on the data center market.

Last fall in our Q3 2023 earnings call we highlighted the data center market and shared our view that we expected the market to grow at a 16% compounded growth rate between 2022 and 2025. We wanted to provide an update as we have seen continued momentum in this market, driven by the rise of AI, big data, and certainly edge computing. As expected, the biggest increase is coming from the very strong demand for AI data centers, which is reflected both in our orders and in our negotiation pipeline. Here orders on a trailing twelve month basis, have more than doubled and our negotiations in the US have increased by more than 4x.

We now think the overall market grows at a 25% compounded growth rate between 2022 and 2025. And as you know, we have a strong position in the data center market and the data center/IT channel accounted for 14% of our revenue last year. Now. I'll turn the presentation over to Olivier to cover the financials.

Olivier Leonetti
Chief Financial Officer at Eaton

Thanks, Greg. I'll start by providing a summary of our Q1 results. We posted a Q1 sales record of $5.9 billion, up 8% in total and organically. This represent eight quarters of growth over 20% on a two-year stack. We posted Q1 segment profit and margins records. Operating profit grew 27% and segment margin expended 340 basis points to 23.1%. Adjusted EPS of $2.40 increased by 28% yet over the prior year. This is a Q1 record and well above the high end of our guidance range. This performance resulted in operating cash flow of $475 million up 42% on a year over year basis and free cash flow of $292 million up 40% versus prior year.

As a percentage of full year guidance, both operating cash flow and free cash flow are improved versus prior year. On slide eleven, we summarize Electrical Americas very strong results. We continue to raise the bar. Setting new all time records for sales, operating profit, and margins. Organic sales growth remains strong at 17%, which reflect broad based trend in our end markets, with particular strength in industrial, data center, and institutional end markets. On a two-year stack, organic growth was up 39%. Electrical Americas has generated double-digit organic growth for nine consecutive quarters. All time record operating margin of 29.2% was up 630 basis points versus the prior year benefiting primarily from higher volumes, effective management of price cost, and improved manufacturing efficiency partially offset by higher cost to support growth initiatives.

On a rolling twelve month basis, orders were up 8%, demonstrating a positive inflection as a result of the impact of the various megatrends. We had particular strength in data center and market. Also our major project negotiations pipeline in Q1 was up 169% versus prior year and up 197% since Q1 2022. Electrical Americas backlog increased 31% year over year and was up 21% sequentially resulting in a book to bill ratio of 1.2 on a rolling twelve months basis. These results underscore the tailwinds from secular trends, strong execution, and robust backlog that have allowed us to increase growth and margin guidance for the year, which we will discuss later in the presentation.

The next chart summarizes the results for our electrical global segment. Coincidentally, global results are mostly flat to last year. Organic growth was up 1%, offset entirely by FX headwinds where strength in data center, industrial, as well as commercial and institutional end markets. Regionally we saw strength in our APAC and GEIS businesses, partially offset by weakness in our EMEA business. Operating margin was 18.3%, which was flat to the prior year. Orders were up 4% on a rolling twelve month basis with strength in data center and utility and markets. Book to bill continues to remain strong. Q1 was 1.1 on a rolling twelve month basis.

Before moving to our industrial businesses, I'd like to briefly recap the combined electrical segments. For Q1, we posted organic growth of 11% and segment margin of 25.3%, which was 430 basis points over prior year. On a rolling twelve month basis, orders reflected[Phonetic] strongly positive, up 7% and our book to bill ratio for our electrical sector remains very strong at 1.2. We remain quite confident in our positioning for continued growth with strong margins in our overall electrical business. Page 13 highlights our aerospace segment. We posted Q1 sales, operating profit and operating margin records. Organic growth was 9% for the quarter.

Growth was driven by broad strength across all markets, with particular strength in commercial OEM and aftermarket end markets, which were up 17% and 15%, respectively. Operating margin of 23.1% was up 60 basis points year over year benefiting from higher volumes and effective management of price cost. On a rolling twelve month basis, orders increased 2%. Commercial OEM and aftermarket orders were particularly strong, and we expect that the military OEM order patents will normalize in the second half. Year over year backlog increased 11% and was up 4% sequentially. On a rolling twelve-month basis our book to bill for our aerospace segment remained strong at 1.1.

Moving on to our vehicle segment on page 14. In the quarter, total revenue was down 2% including a 3% organic decline partially offset by a point of favorable effects. Weakness in the North America region was partially offset by strength in Asia Pacific. Operating margin came in at 16%, 150 basis points above prior year, driven by effective management of price cost and improvement in manufacturing efficiencies offset by lower sales volume. On page 15, we show results for our eMobility business. Sales were up 7% on an organic and total basis. Our organic growth significantly outperformed the market, driven by new program ramp ups.

Our OEM customers continued to face execution challenges and while we anticipate improvements throughout the year, we have remained pragmatic in our volume forecast. As a result, we will discuss shortly that our full year growth guidance of 25% to 35% remains unchanged. Growth programs and investments drove the operating loss of $4 million. We continue to incur launch cost related to our growth programs. Expected to ramp up over the next coming quarters. In 2023, we warned new programs with more than $1.3 billion of mature year revenue, and we continue to expand our pipeline of new opportunities in 2024 with our unique technologies driven by our electrical pedigree. This will continue to drive our growth well above the market.

Moving to page 16, we saw our electrical and aerospace backlog updated through Q1. As you can see we continue to build backlog with electrical stepping up to $11.3 billion and aerospace reaching $3.4 billion for total backlog of $14.7 billion versus prior year, our backlogs have grown by 27% in electrical and 11% in aerospace. Electrical backlog benefited from acceleration in order intake from tailwinds from the secular trends, including hyperscale orders within the data center and market. As noted earlier, book to bill ratios for electrical and aerospace are 1.2 and 1.1 respectively. The continued growth in our backlog underscores, our confidence in 2024 and beyond. Now I'll turn it back to Craig for the end market outlook and financial guidance updates.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Thanks, Olivier. Turning to page 17, we show a summary of our end market growth assumptions. Overall, our markets continued to perform as expected and most of these indicators have not changed from what we shared in our Q4 earnings call. We are, however, seeing stronger than expected growth in data center and in commercial and institutional markets in the US which is why we're raising our revenue guidance for the year. In contrast to what many are seeing in the macro economy, we continue to expect growth in 80% of our end markets, and much of this growth is supported by the large backlog numbers that Olivier shared.

Moving to page 18, we show our financial year, organic growth and operating margin guidance. Overall, our 2024 organic growth is now expected to be between 7% and 9%, which is an increase of 50 basis points at the midpoint. We're raising our organic growth guidance in the Electrical Americas to 10% to 12% from 9% to 11%, and we're really leading the growth guidance for the remaining segments. For segment margins we're increasing the company's margin guidance range by 40 basis points at the midpoint to 23%. This is a result of the improved outlook in Electrical Americas, where we're seeing strong demand and strong performance.

Here we're increasing our margin outlook to 28%, a hundred basis point increase at the midpoint, and we're reiterating our guidance for the remaining segments. On the next page, we have the balance of our guidance metric for 2024 in Q1. For 2024, our adjusted EPS is expected to be between $10.20 and $10.60 a share. The $10.40 midpoint represents a 14% growth and adjusted EPS over prior year and a $0.25 increase over the initial 2024 guidance. The other elements of our guidance are unchanged.

For Q2, we expect organic growth to be between 6.5% and 8.5%. Segment margins be between 22.4% and 22.8%. And adjust EPS to be in a range of $2.52 to $2.62 a share. So let me close with a summary on page 20. Once again, the trends driving growth in our end, markets continue to play out as expected, and even better in our Electrical Americas business, driven by the data center market. We also delivered a strong quarter financial results on the back of strong execution across the company.

As a result, we raised our guidance for organic growth by 50 basis points, segment margins by 40 basis points and adjusted EPS by $0.25 at the midpoint. And in the quarter we were especially pleased to see strength in our negotiations. Our orders and the growth in our backlog, all of which at all time records validating our medium and long term growth outlook. So we leave the quarter with a high level of confidence. Eaton will deliver higher growth, higher margins, and consistent earnings growth for years to come. Our expectations are high, and that's exactly where they should be. With that, I'll open things up for any questions you may have.

Yan Jin
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at Eaton

Thanks, Craig. For the Q&A today please limit your opportunity to one question and a follow-up. Thanks everyone[Phonetic] for your cooperation. With that, I will turn it over to the operator to give you guys the instructions.

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Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The first question will come from the line of Joe Ritchie from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Joe Ritchie
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Hey, guys. Good morning.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Hey, Joe. Morning.

Joe Ritchie
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Morning. Craig. Look. It's incredible to see the pipeline now over a trillion dollars on the megaprojects. I'm just curious like as you talk to your customers, as you think about maybe labor as a constraint. Like, how do you see this all playing out over the next couple of years and like what are you hearing from your customers in terms of like whether there are either additional products that you need to come to market with just given all the activity that's happening here.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

I know. We appreciate the question, Joe, and it's obviously one that we're spending a lot of time internally looking at and it's one of the things that's, quite frankly tempering our outlook for the year is the fact that we do believe that labor continues to be a bottleneck in certain industries and really in the economy overall and so at this point, I think it's really too early to say to what extent it's going to resolve itself. One of the things that we're looking at as well is take a look -- total labor participation rates in general. Those numbers I would say have been growing over time at a rate of 2% to 3%.

I will tell you that the construction industries, the industries that we're participating in really reversing what had been a long term trend are actually growing at a faster rate, and so our industries are, in fact, growing at a faster rate in terms of labor participation than the underlying economy, which is really an encouraging sign. I mean, I think in many ways, Skilled trade today whether it's plumbers, contractors, electricians, welders. These are really good jobs and jobs that are going to be around for a long term, and I think some of that's playing out in this shift that we're seeing, but it's one of the things that we continue to watch. And it's one of the things, like I said once again that, that really tempers our outlook. We could obviously grow faster if these constraints are fully resolved and don't become a gating item for the industry overall.

Joe Ritchie
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Got it. That's super helpful. And then I guess maybe -- I know you've got a bunch of growth questions from others. So maybe I'll turn to margins for a second. So you announced a restructuring program last quarter. There's a pretty wide gap right now between the really stellar margins you're putting up in the Electrical Americas business versus the Electrical Global business. Can you maybe just elaborate a little bit more on the restructuring plans? Is there some sense that you're going to try to maybe narrow the gap on the margin trajectory for those two businesses today?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Yes. I mean I think the short answer is absolutely. We would intend and anticipate to narrow the gap between those two businesses and narrow the gap the right way, which is the global business needs to do significantly better. We have no expectations at all that we'd see retrenchment in our Americas business. And so -- but I will say, as you think about the restructuring program that we launched, $375 million of spending, $325 million of benefits. 2/3 of that, more or less, will be in the Electrical segment with a heavy concentration in Global. So we are clearly working hard to improve margins in the Electrical Global business.

One of the reasons why this gap kind of widened and opened up is that as we're all aware, in the U.S. market, the North America market is doing very well right now. There's a lot of activity. There's a lot of growth. We have a very strong strategic position in the North America margin market overall. And so there are just a lot of things today that are really positive in the Americas markets that are allowing us to continue to expand margins there. And as you know, a lot of the European markets have been much weaker than we anticipated. You see some of the macroeconomic data coming out of Europe Germany specifically, and a lot of the market segments in Europe where we have a strong position, are some of the weaker parts of the market.

If you think about the MOEM segment, you see it in some of the automation data from some of the other electrical peer companies, the residential market. And so I think today, those margins will get better. If we look forward, we're obviously anticipating margin is getting better, there's easier comps in the second half of the year as well. But without a doubt, there's plenty of opportunity to expand our margins in our Global segment.

Joe Ritchie
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Great, thanks Craig.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Jeff Sprague from Vertical Research. Please go ahead.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst at Vertical Research

Hi, thanks. Good morning everyone.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Good morning Jeff.

Olivier Leonetti
Chief Financial Officer at Eaton

Good morning.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst at Vertical Research

Good morning. Hey, just curious on data centers, Craig, your comment about like some of the mega projects haven't started yet there. Obviously, data center has been strong and a revenue driver for you there. So can you just elaborate on that? Are you kind of talking about you really haven't seen maybe kind of the AI-oriented investments coming through? Just kind of an interesting curious comment. And in last quarter when you did provide that kind of order conversion data for semi and other related investments, you didn't put data centers on that slide. So maybe you could address that element of the question also.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Yes, I'd say that, to your point, Jeff, data center markets have been good and strong for a long time. And I think our data center numbers, I think we talked about growth in excess of 20%. But the order growth in the data center market, as we talked about, is much higher than that, much, much higher than that. And so if you think about a lot of these big mega projects, and where we're seeing this outsized growth in projects announced, in our negotiations, data centers is obviously one of the big contributors and the underlying rate of growth that we're seeing in negotiations and in orders is outstripping the very strong growth that we're seeing in our business.

And so we were just trying to find some color in terms of mega projects and which of those are already showing up today in orders, which of those are already showing up somewhat in revenue, although most of it is not in revenue yet and where we expect to continue to see even outsized growth as we move forward in the ensuing years, and data center is clearly going to be a big contributor. We talk about negotiations up 4x. So it is -- if the market just continues to grow, and we expect that market to be a much bigger piece of the total company as we look forward.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst at Vertical Research

And then.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

What was the second question? I didn't.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst at Vertical Research

Yes. When you provided that handy chart last quarter showing kind of the negotiation to order to sales conversion timeline. Actually, you did not put data centers on that chart. Does it differ significantly from those [Speech Overlap].

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

I think -- and correct -- the team can correct me around the room if I'm wrong, I think data centers were embedded in that data. We gave you the aggregate data, I thought data centers were embedded in what we gave you.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst at Vertical Research

Yes, I'm looking at slides.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Different kinds of projects. And we were showing you some examples of different kinds of projects, but embedded in the overall data, I think that definitely included data centers.

Yan Jin
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at Eaton

Yes, we can follow up after this call.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst at Vertical Research

Yes. And then just a second question, I'm sorry. Just on Electrical Americas margins, what would cause the margins to go down sequentially, right? Usually, Q1 is actually the lowest margin quarter of the year. It's the lowest revenue quarter in dollar value. Is there something in mix or otherwise that would cause it to step down from these levels?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

I'd say, as we look forward, as you know, we've made a number of announcements around capacity expansion. We're making some investments in commercial front end. We're making investments in technology. So there's a number of programs that we've made announcements last year and that we're investing in this year that will certainly be a bit of a gating factor in terms of margin expansion. I think the implied number is close to what it was in Q1, but I do take your point that we typically see margin expansion, we'll certainly see volume expansion in terms of the absolute revenue in the out quarters, but really it's more a function of spending and investments that we're making in the business.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst at Vertical Research

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And the next question is from Deane Dray from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. One moment. Your line is now open.

Deane Dray
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Thank you. Good morning everyone.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Good morning Deane.

Olivier Leonetti
Chief Financial Officer at Eaton

Good morning

Deane Dray
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Hey, just want to circle back on the data center demand here. And the idea here is you talk about labor constraints. But the industry and the folks that we're talking to on the data center planning side is they're nervous about the bottlenecks in some of the basic electrical backbone that you are providing. And so we saw this quarter an announcement in Europe with one of your European competitors signing a five-year supply agreement to one of these data center operators. So -- and then they've also -- we've heard about transformers being backlogged for two years. So are there opportunities for you? I know you're increasing capacity in transformers, but are you looking at any of these longer-term supply agreements?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Yes. The short answer is, Deane, it's absolutely yes. We are living in an environment right now where the market has a number of constraints, including electrical equipment. It's one of the reasons why we announced that $1 billion of incremental investments that we're making in the company to deal with the specific bottlenecks that we have in our own manufacturing operations so that we can address the demand that we see in front of us and quite frankly, given the demand that we're seeing even today in the business, those numbers will likely go up. So data centers continues to grow. I was responding to a specific question earlier around labor. But to your point, there are other constraints around electrical equipment, and we are, in fact, signing multiyear agreements with our customers to ensure that we have capacity in place to support the demand that they need from us. And so we are fully confident that we will not be the bottleneck in the industry. We will resolve the bottlenecks that we have in terms of our own electrical equipment, difficult to say where those other constraints will surface.

Deane Dray
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

All right. That's really helpful. And then just away from data centers, just the idea of these mega projects, do you anticipate any mix change in what you are doing for direct ship versus going through distribution?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

I'd say distribution is really an important part of our go-to-market strategy, and we have really strong distributor partnerships that will always be an important part of our formula in terms of the way we go to market. Now there are, in fact, some market dynamics that suggest that there are certain kinds of projects in certain markets that do tend to be more of a direct-serve market than a market that is served through distribution. In some cases, data centers are a great example of that, where there are certain data center customers who want to be served direct and so I do think there'll be a bit of a mix shift, not so much because it's a function of strategically, we're changing our approach as much as it is because there are certain market segments that are growing, big mega projects being a piece of that, that tend to be more direct served markets.

Deane Dray
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

That is helpful. Thank you.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Thank you.

Operator

Next question is from Julian Mitchell from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Julian Mitchell
Analyst at Barclays

Maybe I just wanted to start with Electrical Global. You started out the year with a sort of fairly soft topline there. Just maybe help us understand sort of the confidence of getting to that low mid-single-digit organic growth for the year. How quickly do we expect that acceleration, say, in the second quarter in EG? And if there's any particular region or end market that's doing the sort of heavy lifting on that sales growth improvement?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Yes. I appreciate the question, Julian. I mean I'd say that we have, I would say, relatively modest growth assumptions for our Electrical Global segment. And we really, in Q1, performed largely in line with our expectations, a little weaker, quite frankly, in Europe than what we expected, but largely in line. And as I mentioned, in my outbound commentary, the comps get a bit easier as well in the second half of the year for Global. But today, I'd say we're growing in Asia. We had nice growth in our China and Asia Pacific business overall. Our GEIS business is growing, doing just fine. The weak spot, as we talked about, is what's happening today in the European Electrical business where very much like you saw in some of the peer data. Those markets have been weaker than what we anticipated. But I would say today, fairly conservative set of assumptions that we're using internally in terms of what we're anticipating from our Europe business overall, our global business overall, and really, it's largely a function of the comps getting easier as we continue throughout the balance of the year. We're not anticipating a significant change in the trajectory of the business but some modest improvement in the second half.

Julian Mitchell
Analyst at Barclays

That's helpful. Thank you. And just my second question was really to circle back on the margin outlook. So yes, your second quarter, you've got the implied sort of total company margin down 50 bps sequentially with some sales growth sequentially. So is the delta all in that sort of higher investments in Electrical Americas pulling down that margin sequentially. Is that what's going on there in Q2?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Yes. No, I'd say that that's really what the difference is. There's nothing else -- it's embedded in our assumptions that would suggest that margins should fall off other than the incremental spending and investments that we're making in the business. As you saw in our Q1 results, very strong execution by the team, 60-plus percent incrementals and so the team is really executing well. We anticipate that that execution will continue for the balance of the year, and it really is simply a reflection of the investments that we're making in the business for future growth.

Julian Mitchell
Analyst at Barclays

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Steve Tusa from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Steve Tusa
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Good morning guys.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Good morning.

Olivier Leonetti
Chief Financial Officer at Eaton

Good morning.

Steve Tusa
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Just on that last question, can you maybe just be a little bit more specific about what you mean there on the amount of headwinds from these investments? I mean, you guys -- is there like an abrupt start-up cost in one of these facilities or something? Maybe just a little more color and maybe quantify that headwind.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Yes. I wouldn't call it an abrupt start-up cost. But as you know, we made some announcements last year around capacity expansions. And those new capacity expansions start to come online. So obviously, you turn on all the depreciation, you have start-up costs associated with commissioning new lines and new plants. We're making additional investments in some of these commercial opportunities to deal with the better growth outlook that we've talked about. And so in terms of the specifics, obviously, we're not going to give you an exact dollar amount. But I would tell you that it's really tied specifically to supporting the outlook for growth and quite frankly, we could do better. I mean the reality is we did better in Q1. Our team is executing extremely well. So we could do better than what's currently reflected, but it is today reflective of our best thinking.

Steve Tusa
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Got it. And then just on the order front, one of your peers talked about some of these orders being delivered a little bit further out. You're adding the capacity. So maybe you can deliver in a bit more of an expedited way over the next couple of years. Should we think about this orders quarter converting further out than normal? Or are we now at kind of a more of a consistent lead time, albeit still probably a relatively long lead time, but are we still at kind of a consistent lead time that's been established over the last couple of years?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

I would say that lead times have not pushed out further. We talked over the last couple of years, the fact that the surge that we're seeing in orders has, in fact, extended lead times and for many of our markets overall. And I would say today, depending upon the product line, we've made some progress in terms of lead times, but we've also seen, as you saw in the data, also a resurgence quite frankly, of orders with very strong orders in Q1 that I would say in backlogs that continue to grow. So I would say, in general, lead times have not changed materially. They've gotten not materially worse, they've gotten not that materially better.

Steve Tusa
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Yes. So in other words, the orders that you booked this quarter should kind of convert at the same lead time as we've seen in the last 1.5 years type of thing?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Yes. I mean I'd say it varies depending upon which market segment. I mean there are -- in some cases, we are getting for some of the hyperscale data center guys are trying to get out in front and maybe placing some orders earlier than they normally would. But for the most part, there's been no significant change in the order pattern.

Steve Tusa
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Yeah, great. Thanks a lot.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Scott Davis from Melius Research. Please go ahead.

Scott Davis
Analyst at Melius Research

Hey, good morning guys.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Good morning Scott[Phonetic].

Olivier Leonetti
Chief Financial Officer at Eaton

Good morning.

Scott Davis
Analyst at Melius Research

Kind of intrigued by this concept of long-term supply agreements because I don't believe that's really been something that we've seen in the past in this industry. But can you -- for whatever you're willing to share here, help us understand, are these like take-or-pay type contracts? What is kind of the vision in forming these type of partnerships. I saw the Schneider Compass announcement a few months ago, but haven't -- not exactly sure what you guys are doing. Thanks.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

I mean, and as you can imagine, Scott, we're living in an environment today where these industries are growing much faster than they have had historically, and the outlook for growth continues to strengthen and, in many cases, get better and where -- and you have capacity constraints. And so we are in a very different world today with respect to ensuring that we work with our customers and our suppliers on a multiyear basis to ensure that we have capacity to support the demand that's out in front of us. And that's really what's driving this change in the way we contract and partner with many of our customers. So I think it's a perfectly logical thing to do. It's a needed thing to do in this environment. And to your point, I mean, most of these contracts are contracts that are structured in a way that ensures that while they won't necessarily be exactly take or pay, but they ensure that we have protections for the investments that we're making so that we're not putting capacity and that's not needed. So we feel very good about the nature of the contracts, the way they're structured, to ensure that the company is protected.

Scott Davis
Analyst at Melius Research

That's interesting, and congrats on that. So this is -- I'm not looking for an exact number. I'm just trying to get a sense. If you think about -- we all know transformers are lead times along. But when you think about the percentage of your SKUs that are sold out right now, is there some sort of number that you could guess 30%, 40% of your SKUs? I mean I know it's broader than just transformers and switch gear, but any estimate there? I'm just kind of curious to see if that's the majority or it's still kind of sub-50% of SKUs?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Yes, I'd say that we really haven't run the math, to be honest with you, Scott, in terms of what percent. I will tell you that maybe an easy way to think about it is that the long cycle parts of our portfolio generally today, we have capacity constraints on the long-cycle stuff and on the short-cycle stuff, not so much. And I think our split is roughly 75-25 between long cycle and short cycle. So maybe that's a good proxy for where we're actually at capacity or close to sold out and where we're not.

Scott Davis
Analyst at Melius Research

Okay. Congrats on the start of the year guys. Good luck. Thank you very much.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Appreciated. Thank you.

Operator

And the next question is from Nicole DeBlase from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Nicole DeBlase
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Guys.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Hi, Nicole.

Olivier Leonetti
Chief Financial Officer at Eaton

Hello, good morning.

Nicole DeBlase
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Just maybe starting with Electrical Americas, obviously, really impressive 17% organic growth this quarter. You guys raised the guidance but still embeds pretty big decel throughout the year. So is that just -- can we kind of chalk that up to conservatism, Craig? Or is there something that you guys are seeing with respect to growth in the rest of the year, that kind of causes that step down?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

I appreciate the question, Nicole. And obviously, it was a really strong start to the year for our Electrical Americas business, and they posted really, really positive numbers. And I'd say maybe it's early in the year. And we have one quarter behind us, and we just thought it's prudent at this point, given the fact that it's early in the year to let's see how the rest of the year unfolds. Certainly, if things continue with what we've seen, there could be upside to that number. I would say as well that as you think about as the year goes on, the comps get in some cases, a little bit more challenging. There's a little bit less contribution from price in some of the subsequent quarters. But once again, the business outperformed our expectation across the board most of which is obviously on the volume side in Q1. And so there is certainly the potential that the business does better than what we're currently forecasting.

Nicole DeBlase
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Got it. That's very fair Craig[Phonetic]. And then similar question on free cash. You didn't raise the guidance for the full year despite higher earnings. Is there something going on with net working capital or some other line item that causes the offset? Or is it just a bit early in the year, and you kind of want to see how that line item trends?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

No, I'd say largely, it's early in the year. And just really, we just thought it's prudent at this juncture not to take the number up. We'll obviously revisit it as we get through Q2, but it's just early in the year.

Nicole DeBlase
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Understood. Thank you. I will pass it on.

Operator

Thank you. And the next question is from the line of Andrew Obin from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Andrew Obin
Analyst at Bank of America

Yes. Sure. Good morning. How are you?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Good morning.

Olivier Leonetti
Chief Financial Officer at Eaton

Good morning.

Andrew Obin
Analyst at Bank of America

I guess the question is everybody is asking about data centers, but maybe a slightly different direction. China, what are we seeing? How is your Electrical business in China performing within Electrical Global? And you have a very specific strategy there on JVs. Just maybe -- just talk about how the deals are performing relative to your expectations. So the two-part question.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

No, I appreciate the question, Andrew. And I would say our China business continues to perform very well. In fact, we grew high single digits in Q1 in our China business. And to your point, we do have a very specific strategy for how we play the China market specifically through joint ventures and in many cases, as you know, these are minority joint ventures. And our joint ventures, by the way, if you just take a look at our joint venture performance, we obviously don't consolidate this revenue, but they grew some 35% in 2023. So we're getting a lot of great growth in the joint ventures in China. And as you know, strategically, what we tried to do there is really finding a way to partner with local Chinese companies who then give us the ability to broaden our portfolio to compete in Tier 2 and Tier 3 markets, both in China and around the world. And so we're absolutely thrilled with how well these JVs are playing out, and our team is executing, and it just gives us a lot of additional capabilities as we think about future growth of the company.

Andrew Obin
Analyst at Bank of America

Excellent. And just a more technical question. I don't know if -- I apologize if I missed it, but can you just talk about electrical channel inventories on the product side? Where are we? Thank you.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Yes. I would say that, once again, I think inventories are largely well balanced and well aligned right now. I mean, as you can tell by the growth in our backlogs, our backlogs continue to grow and lead times are not getting better and our book-to-bills, 1.2 in Electrical, which I think is a great indicator of where we sit today with respect to inventory in the channel. So today, I would say that it's obviously going to be the odd product line or two where the dealer inventories could be a little long. But overall, inventories, I think, today are very well balanced and given the backlogs that we continue to build and certainly all the conversations that I'm in with our distributors and customers is that they're looking for more stuff sooner, and they're looking for shorter lead times than we can currently deliver to.

Andrew Obin
Analyst at Bank of America

Thanks so much.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Jeff Hammond from KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Jeff Hammond
Analyst at KeyBanc

Hey guys. Good morning.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Hey, Jeff. Good morning.

Olivier Leonetti
Chief Financial Officer at Eaton

Good morning.

Jeff Hammond
Analyst at KeyBanc

Craig, just on this data center growth curve, in the slides, you kind of bump it from 16% to 25%. And I think the technology there you had a different time frame, but I think the pushback of the 11 -- 10.8% growth was like why isn't it higher? So just wondering how maybe we should think about that 10.8% differently and how to kind of incorporate capacity constraints or labor constraints versus kind of the numbers you put in the deck today?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

I would say that what we've seen since we posted those other numbers, which were quite frankly a little bit stale, was that we certainly have seen just fundamental data center market independent of what's happening with AI has been accelerating. The world, as we've talked about before, just continue to generate processed or increasing amounts of data. And then on top of that, you have this explosive trend in AI and these AI training data centers just require and consume just orders of magnitude more power than a traditional data center, and we're obviously starting to see those orders and those negotiations come through now and so that's really what's driving the change in the outlook for the market, not so much that we've decided that the labor constraints have been resolved, particularly or any particular power constraints overall have been resolved. It's really simply a function of the fact that what we're seeing in our negotiations, what we're seeing in our orders have just accelerated that much between the old number and the new number.

Jeff Hammond
Analyst at KeyBanc

Okay. That's helpful. And then just on the capacity expansion, I think in 3Q, you laid out kind of the areas you're bucketing for investment. Can you just talk about what starts to phase in earlier? Do you get any capacity online this year? Or is this more into '25? And then if anything is kind of baked into the guide for these capacity adds this year?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

We do start to see, as I mentioned, in terms of kind of what holds the margin expansion back a little bit is the fact that we are, in fact, bringing on since[Phonetic] starting up new lines and new facilities beginning certainly, a lot of the spending in Q1, but certainly in the second half of the year, we start to see some of that capacity come free to the point where we actually have the ability to deliver more. So it's really second half of this year and then into 2025 in earnest.

Jeff Hammond
Analyst at KeyBanc

Okay, thanks.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank yo. Our next question is from Phil Buller from Berenberg. Please go ahead.

Phil Buller
Analyst at Berenberg Bank

Hi, thanks for the question. We've talked about capacity constraints several times. It sounds like you're pretty much at capacity in places. And I know you flagged this $1 billion of investment. I guess I'm wondering if $1 billion is actually sufficient to capture with that -- that growth that's yours to lose, I guess, as I'm sure you get a really nice return on making those kinds of investments. So do you see an opportunity to invest more beyond $1 billion for capex expansion? Or are you choosing not to do so because of these bottlenecks like other people's labor, perhaps meaning you don't necessarily need to invest today and instead can do a bit more on the pricing side? That's question one. Thanks.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

I appreciate the question. And as you can imagine, we're spending a lot of time right now internally reassessing and reevaluating whether or not we're doing enough. The $1 billion, by the way, that's an incremental number that's on top of the base. So I just want to make sure I clarify that. But we don't -- we don't intend to be the bottleneck here. We want to make sure that we have all of the capacity in place to deal with the growth that we see, the forecast that we're getting from our customers. So we are not constraining ourselves with respect to the investments. One of the good things about our business model overall, and I remind the group is that we do tend to be relatively asset light. A lot of what we do in the electrical business is assembly and test. So we can bring on relatively significant amounts of capacity for relatively speaking, not a lot of capex dollars. And so we do intend to revisit the number given the fact that our forecasts are going up especially in certain verticals like data center to make sure that we do have enough capacity.

Phil Buller
Analyst at Berenberg Bank

Thank you. And on that topic, I guess, an extension of it, the competitive landscapes when markets are as great as this, normally someone tries to find a way to play perhaps by adding capacity. Are you seeing any shift in market shares either from traditional players or from new entrants, please? Thanks.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Yes. No. I mean, not particularly. I mean everybody is obviously adding capacity. The market is good for everyone right now. One of the things that we tried to give you a sense for how we're doing is that by providing some of these win rate numbers that we showed you from mega projects, some of the win rate numbers that we showed you for non-res construction projects is an indicator of the fact that we think we're doing very well in the context of this expanding market and so I'm not -- I don't anticipate dramatic share shifts in the market, especially in a period of time when the industry is sold out in so many places and the other thing I would tell you in terms of -- we oftentimes get the question around new entrants, Chinese competitors and others coming into our market. And I would say that we really are not seeing any material impact from, let's say, the Chinese or other electrical equipment providers in the North America market. We have a strong position here. We have an outstanding channel. We're absolutely well known in the market. The bigger, the more complex the project, the more likely they are to pick a company like Eaton. So I think we're just very well positioned for the future here.

Phil Buller
Analyst at Berenberg Bank

Makes sense. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Nigel Coe from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Nigel Coe
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Thanks, good afternoon since it is 12 O'clock. Thanks for the question. The piece negotiation numbers are just extraordinary. I just want to make sure I understand the definitions. So would a negotiation be where you have an active negotiation or RFP in place with a -- and this represents the dollar number of potential contracts under negotiation. And then, when you think about, say, a data center or especially data center just given the permitting and power challenges, would that project be fully permitted before you get into a negotiation situation? Thanks.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Yes. The answer is yes and yes. Negotiation would be a place where we are actually in an active negotiation in response to an RFP, request for proposal, request for quote. And certainly, if you think about data centers and others, once again, these projects tend to be already permitted down the road. As I did mention in some of the outbound data, there's always been a level of cancellations, especially when you look at some of these mega projects, and we talked about in my outbound commentary that the cancellation rate that we're seeing is around 10%. That rate is actually below what we've seen historically, but there's always going to be a certain level of cancellations in any of these projects, but they -- absolutely these tend to be or generally approved projects before we get to a negotiation.

Nigel Coe
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Okay. And I know you've got about 10 questions on capacity. So let's throw another one. Get away from the new greenfield capacity, but thinking about your existing footprint, are there opportunities to add another line or another shift, extend over time to increase capacity in existing footprints? Or is there just to be constraint and that's just not on the table?

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Yes. I mean I think it varies depending upon which product line you're talking about. In some cases, it is, in fact, us adding a line in existing footprint because we do have capacity to do it. In some cases, it's adding additional shifts, utilizing existing assets. But in some cases, it means a new greenfield facility, and we've had to, in fact, stand up some additional manufacturing plants to deal with the growth that we're seeing. So it's really a combination of all of those and varies depending upon which particular product line or business you're referring to.

Nigel Coe
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Okay, great. Thanks Craig.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

Great. Thank you.

Yan Jin
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at Eaton

Okay. Thanks, guys. We have reached to the end of the call. As always, IR team will be available to address any follow-up questions. Thanks for joining us, and have a great day, guys.

Craig Arnold
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer at Eaton

All right. Thank you.

Operator

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