Foraco International Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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April 30, 2024

There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Foraco International S. A. First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, note that all participants are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session.

Operator

Also note that the call is being recorded Tuesday, April 30, 2024. And I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Tim Bremner. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Sylvie. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today on our Q1 'twenty four results conference call. I am Tim Bremner, CEO of Foracom International and with me today is Fabian Svezt, CFO. The news release of our results was issued this morning prior to the opening of the TSX through CMW Newswire. If for some reason you did not receive a copy of the release, please visit our website at www.feraku.com.

Speaker 1

After the review of the results and our comments on the quarter, we'll open the call for your questions moderated by Sylvia. We're off to an excellent start for 2024 with Q1 revenue of $77,000,000 and EBITDA of $17,600,000 for a margin of 22.8 percent, making this the 2nd best Q1 of the past decade, exceeded only by Q1 of last year. Q1 is traditionally one of the weakest quarters and despite a slower restart in January than last year, business has recovered well. And our outlook remains positive as supported by the strong order book for 2024, which we reported on during our March earnings call. For the quarter, all regions delivered in terms of operational performance and health and safety.

Speaker 1

We've deployed 1 of our new generation BF800 water well rigs in Australia, which has been very well received and is truly a state of the art rig in terms of technology and capability. I had the pleasure of visiting it last month. And 2 more are under construction here in France and will be delivered on schedule in Q3 2024 underpinning Foraco's commitment to the water services sector. We can also confirm the approval of this year's dividend payment of CAD0.06 per share announced in Q1 and unanimously approved at the AGM on April 12. The dividend, which will be paid July 18 this year, is a result of the outstanding financial performance achieved in 2023 and marks the return of a dividend payment to our shareholders.

Speaker 1

I'll now turn the call over to Fabian for a review of the financial performance for Q1. Fabian?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Tim, and good morning, everyone. First of all, and as a reminder, Foraco reports in full IFRS and in U. S. Dollars. The revenue for the Q1 2024 was €77,000,000 compared to €88,000,000 for the same quarter last year and €68,000,000 in Q1 2022.

Speaker 2

Several clients delayed issuing orders to remobilize long term contracts. Q1 2024 revenue remains the 2nd best quarter of the last decade. By reporting segment, the Mining segment represented 90% of revenue and Water represented 10%, which was the most impacted by the slow start of the quarter. By geographic region, North America revenue amounted to €27,000,000 in Q1 2024 compared to €30,000,000 in Q1 2023. Revenue in South America was €26,000,000 compared to €31,000,000 in Q1 2023.

Speaker 2

In Asia Pacific, revenue was €15,000,000 compared to €60,000,000 for the same quarter last year. Revenue in EMEA for the quarter was €10,000,000 compared to €11,000,000 in Q1 2023. In Q1 2024, the geographical activity split was North America, 35% South America, 33% Asia Pacific, 19% and EMEA, 13%. During the quarter, the gross margin, including depreciation within cost of sales as per IFRS rules, was a profit of €17,000,000 or 22 percent of revenue versus €21,000,000 or 24 percent of revenue for the same quarter last year. The revenue decrease during the 1st part of the quarter led to some under absorption of fixed costs.

Speaker 2

SG and A decreased by 9% compared to the same quarter last year and was stable in percentage of revenue at 8%. The exit from Russia generated a €2,100,000 profit with the related cash payment anticipated in Q2. EBIT was €13,000,000 versus €14,000,000 in Q1 2023. The EBITDA amounted to €80,000,000 or 23 percent of revenue compared to €19,000,000 or 22 percent of revenue in Q1 2023. Interest expenses were reduced by 50% following our recent debt refinancing.

Speaker 2

We achieved a notable net profit at 11% of revenue and earnings per share surpassed last year's figures. In Q1 2024, the working capital requirement was €26,700,000 compared to €10,500,000 in the same period last year. The working capital requirement is a result of a seasonality of activity and the ramp up of activity at quarter end. During the period, CapEx totaled €6,200,000 in cash compared to €8,600,000 in Q1 2023. 2 large rigs were added to the fleet during the quarter and will start to work in Q2 'twenty four.

Speaker 2

After the exit of Russia, the company operates now 290 drill rigs worldwide. As at March 31, 'twenty four, the net debt including operational lease obligation amounted to €85,000,000 compared to €65,000,000 as of December 31, 2023. I will now return the call to Tim for his closing comments. Tim?

Speaker 1

Thanks very much for your remarks, Fabian. We firmly believe that the fundamentals for our business remain strong. This supports our strategy of providing the full scope of drilling services to Tier 1 customers globally through long term contracts. This is further supported by the ongoing strength of BB Metals, especially copper and nickel. Even though global exploration spending for all non ferrous metals fell by 3% last year, copper exploration actually increased by 12% in 2023, while nickel budgets rose by 19%.

Speaker 1

This truly supports our belief in the long term sustainability of drilling activity related to these metals. We also believe the outlook for gold exploration will improve. While grades and reduced annual productions sorry, with grades lower grades and reduced annual production rates, the sector can anticipate a supply shortfall, which could result in a continued strengthening of the already record gold price. All this leads us to believe that there's a great deal of potential upside for gold exploration in the near term. We continue to support and develop our water services business as it relates to the mining industry, but also for the provision of clean water for human consumption.

Speaker 1

And as I mentioned, we will deploy 2 new rotary drills specifically developed for this market before year end. Thank you very much everyone for listening. I'll now turn the call over to Sylvie, who will take the first question from our listening audience. Sylvie?

Operator

Thank you, Mr. Bremner. And your first question will be from Gordon Lawson at Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question.

Speaker 1

Good morning. Tim, if you can. Good morning.

Speaker 3

Can you provide some color on your dividend policy in terms of any targeted payout ratio versus special dividend?

Speaker 1

Sorry, you cut out. Could you repeat that?

Speaker 3

Sure. Just hoping for some color on your dividend policy in terms of a targeted payout ratio versus special dividends?

Speaker 1

The payout ratio is determined by our dividend policy.

Speaker 2

And based

Speaker 1

on a dividend payment of not more than 15% of earnings is the policy. I believe that this one is coming out closer around 4.4% or 5% of the earnings. And it is not a special dividend, rather it's a dividend that we felt needed to be paid to the long term shareholders who have inquired about the return to a dividend payment for a number of years. And we felt that this was a responsible use of capital given that request and the superior financial performance of 2023. And going forward, future dividend payments will be evaluated on a stand alone basis of the year's performance.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you. And on that front, I mean looking at the debt drawdown and working capital spend this quarter, what's some reasonable assumption to model for debt repayments this year while balancing the share buyback policy and the dividend policy?

Speaker 1

Sorry, Gordon, I apologize, but your line is not good and you're a bit muddled. Could you I'm sorry. Maybe you

Speaker 3

could Yes, no problem. Let me

Speaker 1

is this any better? That's better.

Speaker 3

Okay. Okay. So, with these evidence and your we're just looking at the debt drawdown on working capital spend this quarter. So what's the reasonable assumption to model for total debt repayments this year while balancing these policies, including your share buybacks?

Speaker 1

The assumption for debt repayment hasn't changed for what we discussed the last time. It is of our capital allocation policy, debt reduction remains a top priority and is going to continue to lead that. The next to that is the capital equipment spend, which we don't see increasing significantly depending on where the market is. But our policy with respect to debt reduction irrespective of dividends that we have announced is unchanged and that still remains our top priority.

Speaker 3

Okay. I mean, I've got $40,000,000 model this year. Is that reasonable?

Speaker 1

I don't think that's unreasonable.

Speaker 2

Okay. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next will be Ahmad Shah at Beacon Securities.

Speaker 4

Hey, guys. Congrats on a solid quarter. Maybe a couple of, I guess, housekeeping items. First, I'm just trying to understand the gain that you recorded on the income statement from the sale of Russian operation. Is that the EBITDA contribution from the Russian operation until the close the closing date?

Speaker 4

Or is that like a gain on sale?

Speaker 2

It's including so the EBITDA is including in the profit of the EBIT of Russia is including on the EBITDA as is by IFRS, it's like operational. And in fact, it match the very no margin that we generated during many years and including on the operational too. So the selling of this EBITDA is included on the EBITDA for your question.

Speaker 4

Got it. Got it. And I guess the follow-up on would be on the margin wise. Just, Tim, help us understand why the margin on the water business was a little bit lower than we than the targeted 25% rate for that segment. Is that just mobilization of the new big contract in Q1?

Speaker 4

Or is there other things at play here?

Speaker 1

So I don't see what's happened, Ahmad, in the Water segment is that that's the portion of our business that was affected most by the later than anticipated start. It doesn't necessarily translate into a reduction in the margin. It just really affected the top line. And then some of the infrastructure and personnel that we had waiting to get for the restart. I mean, we can't we don't want to let everybody go.

Speaker 1

So there's been actually no changes in any commercial terms, no changes in any operational performance as it relates to the water business. It was just some unexpected delays. So there we're not forecasting any degradation in the water margins at all.

Speaker 4

Got it. Got it. That's very helpful. So just less fixed cost absorption as you waited to start. I guess that's what it is.

Speaker 4

Yes. That's helpful. And maybe just stepping back and zooming out a little bit, I know gold price have been strong and we've seen some positive momentum in capital raises for that sector, specifically in the juniors as well. And compared to your peers, you're a little bit underrepresented in your gold exposure. You touched on it a little bit in your opening remarks.

Speaker 4

Can you give us a little bit of the lay of the land in terms of your conversations with potential customers in the gold space? And how do you feel about potential upside for you to grow that side of your business?

Speaker 1

So I mean it's still a very important part of our business. And I think as I've mentioned before, we're focused mainly on Tier 1 customers and that includes those in the gold sector. It's not part of our strategy to chase the junior gold market. That would be inconsistent with our long term strategy. But there are senior gold companies that are desirous of some of our services that we are talking to.

Speaker 1

This includes deep directional drilling, some very deep, which is very much within our capability and an area that we're able to differentiate from our peers in terms of service delivery and value. So I think we're very well positioned to make some gains in the gold sector through the Tier 1 minuteing companies in 2024. We are actively in discussions with them now, and I hope see a positive outcome before the end of Q2.

Speaker 4

Got it. Got it. And these conversations are commenced drilling this year or we're talking more of 2025?

Speaker 1

We are actively in the tender process now, soon to enter the negotiation stage and hopeful optimistic for an award and commencement of drilling before the end of Q2.

Speaker 4

Okay. That's very helpful. And then maybe a follow-up on Gordon's question, maybe I misheard, but you expect like $40,000,000 or $14,000,000 of repaying debt for the year is not unreasonable?

Speaker 2

On 2024, our obligation, the term is €13,000,000 in term of debt, long term debt.

Speaker 4

€13,000,000 But did I hear the number right? Was it 4.0 you potentially can repay up to that amount this year? Or is that I misheard that?

Speaker 2

No, we can. We are allowed to have an additional repayment, and this will be linked to our capital allocation before year end.

Speaker 4

Understood. And so I guess you're just looking at the working capital, it was a big spend this year. So you're expecting to recapture some working capital throughout the year given the increase in receivables in Q1?

Speaker 1

Yes, definitely. I mean, it was honestly just a timing issue with a pretty quiet January and then followed by a steep ramp up to the end of March and it's really all working capital.

Speaker 4

That's very helpful. That's pretty much it for my questions. I believe I'll just step back in the queue. Thanks guys for asking my questions and congrats on a solid quarter.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Anant.

Operator

Next question will be from Steve Kemmerer at Clarus Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Good morning, guys. Good morning.

Speaker 1

Hi. Just wanted to touch on the utilization. I understand it was a little bit of a slow restart in January. Where did the utilization rates end up at the end of March? And how are we trending into Q2 here?

Speaker 1

It's improving. And we see the utilization rates improving to 45%, 46% shortly. Certain parts of the business in Latin America were impacted. And as we mentioned on the call, the water business was off to a very slow start in particularly in January, but it has recovered nicely and we are ramping up rigs and putting people back to work at a pretty robust pace and we see that continuing. Perfect.

Speaker 1

That's actually all I had. Thanks guys. Okay.

Operator

Thank you. And at this time, Mr. Bremner, it appears we have no other questions. Please proceed.

Speaker 1

Well, okay, Sylvia. If there's no other questions, thank you very much everyone for your time and attention this morning. And we look forward to speaking to you again soon.

Operator

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this does indeed conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending.

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