Charter Communications Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 1, 2024

There are 14 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to today's Marriott International First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Following the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Please note today's call will be recorded. And I'll be standing by if you should need any assistance.

Operator

It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Jackie McConica, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Marriott's Q1 2024 earnings call. On the call with me today are Tony Cappellano, our President and Chief Executive Officer Lieni Oberg, our Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President, Development and Betsy Dahm, our Vice President of Investor Relations. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that many of our comments today are not historical facts and are considered forward looking statements under federal securities laws. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties as described in our SEC filings, which could cause future results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by our comments.

Speaker 1

Unless otherwise stated, our RevPAR, occupancy, average daily rate and property level revenues comments reflect system wide constant currency results for comparable hotels and all changes refer to year over year changes for the comparable period. Statements in our comments and the press release we wish the press release we issued earlier today are effective only today and will not be updated as actual events unfold. You can find our earnings release and reconciliations of all non GAAP financial measures referred to in our remarks today on our Investor Relations website. And now I will turn the call over to Tony.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jackie, and good morning, everyone. 2024 is off to a solid start as Marriott continues to deliver great experiences to travelers around the world. 1st quarter global RevPAR rose 4.2% with ADR increasing around 3% and occupancy reaching almost 66%, up nearly 100 basis points year over year. While overall industry RevPAR growth is normalizing post COVID, we continue to gain RevPAR index across our portfolio and increase our market share of global hotels. Once again, we saw RevPAR growth across all three of our customer segments: group, leisure transient and business transient.

Speaker 2

Group, which comprised 24% of global room nights in the Q1, was again the strongest customer segment. Compared to the year ago quarter, group RevPAR rose 6% globally. Full year 2024 worldwide group revenues were pacing up 9% year over year at the end of the first quarter with a 5% increase in room nights and a 4% rise in average daily rate. Leisure transient accounted for 42% of worldwide room nights in the quarter. Globally, both leisure demand and ADR growth have remained remarkably resilient, driving leisure RevPAR up 4% year over year.

Speaker 2

Business transient, which contributed to remaining 34% of global room nights in the Q1 had a 1% increase in RevPAR. We are making great progress on the multiyear digital and technology transformation of our 3 major systems, reservations, property management and loyalty. Through this transformation, we expect to unlock new revenue opportunities, further strengthen our efficient operating model, enhance Marriott Bonvoy and elevate the associate and customer digital experience. We still expect to begin rolling out our new cloud based systems to properties next year. In the meantime, we're enhancing the digital experiences that matter most primarily how they shop and book through our channels.

Speaker 2

We also recently celebrated the 5 year anniversary of Marriott Bonvoy, which added nearly 7,000,000 members during the quarter and had around 203,000,000 members at the end of March. Member penetration of global room nights reached record highs in the Q1 at 70% in the U. S. And Canada and 64% globally. Since its introduction, Marriott Bonvoy has evolved to become a travel and loyalty platform encompassing a portfolio of more than 30 brands across nearly 8,900 properties and other travel offerings such as Homes and Villas by Marriott Bonvoy and the Ritz Carlton Yacht Collection.

Speaker 2

Marriott Bonvoy also spans numerous additional collaborations and member benefits, including co brand credit cards in 11 markets and counting and access to a broad range of unique curated experiences through Marriott Bonvoy moments, including select Taylor Swift era's tour concert performances. Looking ahead, we continue to focus on new ways to enhance the platform and connect with our members in their daily lives and across their traffic journeys. We had a very busy Q1 on the development front. We added a record 46,000 net rooms, growing our distribution by 7.1% compared to the end of the Q1 last year. MGM Collection with Marriott Bonvoy has now launched with 16 properties in Las Vegas and other key U.

Speaker 2

S. Cities now available on our system. While it's still early days, we've been extremely pleased with the initial booking pace and Marriott Bonvoy room contribution, which have both outpaced expectations. While the financing environment in the U. S.

Speaker 2

And Europe is still challenging, we have strong momentum in global signings after a record 2023 and have tremendous optimism for the full year. Both Greater China and APEC had notable deal production in the Q1. Year over year, our open and pipeline rooms grew 6.7% excluding the addition of our 17,000 City Express rooms. Conversions including multi unit opportunities continue to be a meaningful driver of growth representing 30% of global signings in the Q1. Our new mid scale brands City Express by Marriott, 4 Points Express and Studio Res are seeing significant developer interest.

Speaker 2

Earlier this year, we signed our 1st City Express deal in the region since acquiring the brand and we are in multiple deal discussions for other properties across the Calla region. We have also now opened our first Four Points Express in Turkey and have other properties in the pipeline. We also recently signed our 1st mid scale deal in APAC, a portfolio of more than a dozen hotels that are expected to be added to our system later this year. In the U. S.

Speaker 2

And Canada, we have commitments for around 140 Studio Res properties and are actively working on deals for over 100 more. Additionally, in about a month, we look forward to unveiling details on our next exciting brand launch, a conversion friendly mid scale brand in the region. As always, I've spent much of my time this year traveling around the world. It's been a pleasure to visit many of our amazing hotels and speak with our incredible associates. I want to express my gratitude to all of our associates for their continued hard work and dedication.

Speaker 2

As Leeny will now discuss further as part of her financial review, we are raising our full year 2024 earnings and capital returns guidance on the back of the strength of our diverse global portfolio, the continued resilient and steady demand for travel, our strong international performance and our continued rooms growth. Leeny?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Tony. Our Q1 global RevPAR rose 4.2%. RevPAR in the U. S. And Canada, where demand has normalized, rose 1.5%.

Speaker 3

Growth in the U. S. And Canada was led by strong group and large corporate business with our top 100 accounts seeing the most sequential improvement in 8 quarters. Leisure RevPAR was flat in the U. S.

Speaker 3

And Canada with more customers going abroad to find warmer weather. Our quarterly RevPAR result in the region was impacted by negative growth in March due to the timing of Easter given less business and group travel the week before the holiday. The impact on the month's RevPAR was roughly negative 300 basis points. Of course, we expect a similar favorable impact in April's RevPAR. 1st quarter international RevPAR increased 11%.

Speaker 3

Growth was led by a remarkable 16.5% RevPAR gain in APAC helped by strong macro trends, sustained leisure and business growth and an uptick in cross border demand, especially from Mainland China as international airlift improved. RevPAR in CALA rose nearly 12% in the quarter with excellent leisure demand coming from the U. S. RevPAR grew 10% in EMEA with strong growth across most of our largest markets. Greater China experienced a 6% increase in RevPAR.

Speaker 3

While growth was strong in January February, rising 10% for those 2 months, demand weakened a bit after the Chinese New Year with slower macroeconomic growth and more outbound travel, especially from high income travelers. 1st quarter total gross fee revenues were above our expectations, rising 7% year over year to $1,210,000,000 The increase reflects higher RevPAR, rooms growth and 10% higher co brand credit card fees. Global card acquisitions grew 18% and card spend rose 10%, driven by significant growth in our international card programs. Incentive management fees or IMFs rose 4%, reaching $209,000,000 in the 1st quarter. Significant increases in each of our international regions were offset by a decline in the U.

Speaker 3

S. And Canada, in part due to lower fees in Mali. 1st quarter adjusted EBITDA grew 4% to nearly 1,140,000,000 dollars Now let's talk about our outlook for the full year. Our 2024 outlook still assumes continued sturdy travel demand and a continuation of current macroeconomic trends. Global RevPAR is expected to grow 4% to 5% in the 2nd quarter and 3% to 5% for the full year.

Speaker 3

By customer segment, RevPAR growth is still anticipated to be driven by another year of strong growth in group revenue, continued improvement in business transient revenues and slower but still growing leisure revenues. RevPAR growth is expected to remain higher in our international markets than in the U. S. And Canada. While our full year global RevPAR guidance is not changing compared to our prior expectations, we now expect higher year over year RevPAR growth in APAC, EMEA and CALA and lower RevPAR growth in the U.

Speaker 3

S. And Canada and Greater China. As a result, we are raising our full year adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS expectations, primarily due to higher IMFs from our international regions. In the Q2, RevPAR growth benefits from Easter timing, fee growth is expected to be in the 7% to 8% range. Our owned leased and other revenues net of expenses are anticipated to be lower than the prior year, largely as a result of a few favorable items in the year ago quarter.

Speaker 3

For the full year, gross fees could now rise 7% to 9% to 5,200,000,000 to 5,300,000,000 with non RevPAR related fees rising 9% to 10%, driven by strong credit card and residential branding fee growth. The sensitivity of a 1% change in full year 2024 RevPAR versus 2023 could be around $50,000,000 to $60,000,000 of RevPAR related fees. Owned, leased and other revenues net of expenses could now total $335,000,000 to $345,000,000 We now expect 2024 G and A expense could rise 1% to 3% year over year. Recall that there are a few discrete one time items from 2023 that are expected to offset wage and benefit increases. Full year adjusted EBITDA is now expected to rise between 7% 9% to roughly $5,000,000,000 to $5,100,000,000 Our 2024 effective tax rate is expected to be just above 25%.

Speaker 3

2024 adjusted EPS is now expected to be between $9.31 $9.65 We still anticipate net rooms growth of 5.5% to 6% for the full year. Additionally, we remain confident in the 3 year net rooms compound annual growth rate we discussed at last year's investor meeting of 5% to 5.5% from year end 2022 to year end 2025. For more details on Q2 and full year metrics, please see our press release. Our capital allocation philosophy remains the same. We're committed to our investment grade rating, investing in growth that is accretive to shareholder value and then returning excess capital to shareholders through a combination of a modest but rising cash dividend and share repurchases.

Speaker 3

For 2024, factoring in the $500,000,000 of required cash in the Q4 for the purchase of the Sheridan Grand Chicago, given our higher adjusted EBITDA expectation, capital returns to shareholders could now be between $4,200,000,000 $4,400,000,000 Full year investment spending is still expected to total $1,000,000,000 to 1,200,000,000 dollars This includes another year of higher than historical investment in technology, the vast majority of which is expected to be reimbursed over time. As a reminder, the $500,000,000 for the Sheridan Grand Chicago consists of $200,000,000 of CapEx and $300,000,000 elimination of a previously recorded guarantee liability. Investment spending is also to incorporate roughly $200,000,000 for our owned lease portfolio. It includes spending for the elegant portfolio in Barbados as well as the renovations for the fabulous W Union Square in Manhattan. We'll ultimately look to recycle these assets and sign long term management contracts after renovations are complete.

Speaker 3

Tony and I are now happy to take your questions. Operator?

Operator

Our first question comes from Shaun Kelley with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Leeny, your 20, I'd love to dig in actually on China a little bit. I thought the comment in Leeni's prepared remarks about some of the slowdown you're seeing there was incremental. So my questions are 2 fold.

Speaker 4

1, are you seeing that continue at all into April, if you

Speaker 5

could give us just kind

Speaker 4

of a little bit of a real time feel. And Tony, I'm sure you've probably been over that region. So maybe if you could help us break it down by is this in Hong Kong, Macau or is this sort of more broadly across some of the cities? And then secondarily, probably as importantly, is any of this translating into what you're seeing on the development front? Thank you very much.

Speaker 3

So let me answer the latter part first because that's very easy to point out and that is absolutely no impact on the development front. Matter of fact, as Tony pointed out, we actually had a tremendous quarter of signings in Greater China in the first quarter as well as APAC for that matter. So really excellent continued demand for our brands and from owners there. From Q1 was a little interesting in Greater China, Sean, a little bit of a tale of each month. And from that standpoint, you had a really strong domestic demand coming in January February and with the Chinese New Year, but also reflecting the fact that last year in Q1, for example, Hainan was seeing stunning increase in demand all domestic as they were coming out of COVID.

Speaker 3

So when you think about it for the full quarter, Hainan actually had a decline in RevPAR year over year, although very strong demand. And in Hong Kong and Macau with much more relaxed restrictions, we had almost 30 percent increase in RevPAR in Q1, so super strong. The Tier 1 cities were very strong, classic Shenzhen, Shanghai, Beijing, they did really well. It's really where we saw interestingly in March, the new Tier 1 cities is where I think you were seeing the impact of the overall macroeconomic picture in China, where it wasn't quite as strong as we might have expected. But again, overall, still really strong Rev par for Greater China at 6%.

Speaker 3

And again, for the full year, we still expect nice strong RevPAR for Greater China. But yes, a bit of a view that the macroeconomic situation there may mean that RevPAR is

Speaker 2

a little bit lower than we expected a quarter ago. And Sean, the only maybe qualitative observation I would share with you and I'll try to underpin it with one statistic. I was there recently. I was in Shenzhen. I was in Hong Kong.

Speaker 2

I was in Macau. And while it certainly does not feel as balanced and populated with international visitors as maybe we were accustomed to in a pre pandemic world, it felt better than when I was there a year ago. And in fact, if you look at the Q1, international guests represented about 15% of our room nights in Greater China. That compares to about 28% in the same quarter back in 2019. So it is improving steadily and the availability of airline seats is improving steadily.

Speaker 2

But I think over time that represents some additional upside for us as more and more international visitors

Speaker 5

return to China. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2

Of course.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Stephen Grambling with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, Derek. We'd love to just clarify a couple of things on the guidance. On the fee increase to the guidance, is that all IMFs? Or is there any changes we think about non RevPAR related contributions? And then I would love to just hear some of the moving parts for the increase on the owned and leased side too.

Speaker 3

Yes, sure. Absolutely. So again, I'm going to do one of the last ones first and that is this does not this increase in fees does not reflect an increase in the non RevPAR related fees. We still do expect really strong growth as we talked about the 9% to 10% year over year in those fees, but not an increase in those from our prior guidance. I would say, Stephen, it's about 75% of the increase is from IMFs, really overwhelmingly, essentially entirely from our international markets.

Speaker 3

Just to give you a sense, a year ago in the Q1, international was 58% of our IMFs and this year in the Q1 was 64%. And again, just as an example in APAC 90% of our managed hotels paid IMF in the Q1 and in Fallows almost 80%. So they both saw some really nice increases. So we clearly outperformed particularly in the IMF space. The remainder of the growth is really a reflection of non RevPAR related growth fees.

Speaker 3

For example, when you have in international and hotels, very strong food and beverage sales, etcetera, where we're also getting fees as well as the ramp up of our fast growing segments in Asia Pacific. When you think about a new hotel that's opening up, we're getting nice speed growth there as well. But 75% is really from the IMFs and obviously including the outperformance in Q1.

Speaker 5

Got it. That's helpful. I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Joe Greff with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Good morning, everybody. Hi, Tony. Leeny, in your prepared remarks, you went through the 3 main customer segments going through your full year 2024 outlook. And you talked about leisure seeing slow, but still positive RevPAR growth. I think that was on a worldwide global basis.

Speaker 6

What is baked in for U. S. Leisure RevPAR growth for the balance of the year?

Speaker 3

So generally speaking, we do see leisure relatively speaking at the lower end of the growth, but still being positive. But I would put it towards the lower end. Group is going to be the home run hitter again for the full year. We do see BT being up as well and continuing to progress. As you know, Joe, in Q1, obviously, BT was weaker because of the month of March.

Speaker 3

But when we look at it overall for the year, we do expect BT to continue to gain ground. And if I can, I'm going to go back for one second and answer Sean's question on owned leased, which the increasing guidance there is overwhelmingly from a stronger performance in our international owned leased hotel portfolio. Sorry, Joe, I'm going to hijack your question there to make sure I answer what I was asked before. And I

Speaker 2

think Joe, the further answer to your question, the differences we're seeing in leisure in the U. S. And Canada relative to global leisure are broadly reflective of demand patterns we're seeing across segments. If you look at the guidance we're giving, we're not changing our RevPAR guidance, but it's shifting a little bit. We're seeing a little more normalization in the U.

Speaker 2

S. And Canada, but continued increases in strength in the international markets. And I think that applies specifically to your question on the leisure.

Speaker 6

Great. And then Tony, I think in your prepared comments, talking about the MGM licensing deal, I think you used the word, we're extremely pleased and outpacing expectations. Can you talk a little bit what that specifically means and maybe kind of throw, I don't know if it's adoption measures or share of occupancy, any kind of details would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Yes, not yet, Joe. I mean, I think it's so early. We just brought them on the platform. So it's more anecdotal than anything else. My guess is Bill and our friends at MGM will talk about it from their perspective as well.

Speaker 2

But having done these sorts of deals over the years, both parties have expectations about how quickly we'll start to get traction on booking volumes and bond void penetration. And we make some assumptions as we do those deals. And I think it's safe to say from Marriott's perspective, those expectations have been exceeded in the early days.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks very much.

Speaker 2

Of course.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Patrick Scholes with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you. I wonder if you can talk a little bit about how 2025 and 2026 group revenue pace is looking? Maybe break that out both by occupancy and ADR, certainly seeing a very good group business this year, but comps do get harder going forward. And I'm curious if you could give us some color on the future years for that segment.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. So Patrick, it's early to start talking about 2026, but I'll try to give you some visibility into group pace in 2025. Right now, we're tracking up about 13% and it is driven by both gains in demand and ADR. We're up about 7% in definite rooms and up about 5 percent in ADR.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Brandt Montour with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking my question. Good morning. So I wanted to talk a little bit about construction activity. Your pipeline went up, it looks like nicely quarter over quarter if you back out MGM out of the construction pipeline.

Speaker 7

And so I guess, Tony, is there a sense that there's been any change in the developer mood with this sort of latest notion that the Fed could be on hold for longer? And maybe you could talk through the lens of U. S. Starts?

Speaker 2

Sure. So maybe I'll go follow Leeny's trend of going in reverse order. I'll talk a little bit about the pipeline and then let Leeny provide some insights on both developer sentiment and construction starts. I agree with your observation. I think the trends on the pipeline are really encouraging.

Speaker 2

And the thing that was really encouraging to me, if you look at the pipeline and just compare Q1 'twenty four to Q1 'twenty 23, because it's a decent apples to apples comparison because neither of those would have had MGM. We're up 9% year over year on the pipeline. And I think that's reflective of some of the broad trends that Leeny described in her prepared remarks.

Speaker 3

And when you think about the kind of the overall environment, I think you've got a couple of things going on. You've still got a constrained lending environment certainly in the U. S. And Europe. I think at the same time though, there is more confidence in a steadier economic picture, if you will, so that we are, for example, we've seen an increase in construction starts in the U.

Speaker 3

S. At about 25% compared to a year ago. So really seeing nice pickup as people start to move forward and look at a more positive environment with perhaps not quite as much volatility. And again, as Tony is always quick to remind everyone, this is a long term business where folks are used to weathering the economic cycles and recognize that if there's a great place to put a hotel with strong demand fundamentals, it's good to get it going, especially with a beautiful new product. So from that perspective, we feel really good.

Speaker 3

We added 31,000 rooms to our pipeline in the Q1 and really had strong momentum around the world in terms of developer interest across all brands.

Speaker 7

That's super helpful. And then just as a quick follow-up, maybe not so quick. Tony, you mentioned that you guys gained RevPAR index. Is there any brands or regions or segments you would highlight where you're taking the most share?

Speaker 2

Yes. So certainly I think the strength of our luxury footprint is an area where we continue to lengthen our lead. We're pleased with RevPAR index and the substantial premium that we enjoy really across the portfolio. I think the one maybe caveat I would give you is that as our scale continues to grow, I don't know that RPI is as informative as it might have been a decade or 2 ago. Particularly in a post Starwood world, we've got many competitive sets now where the bulk of the set is our own distribution.

Speaker 2

And so I don't know that it's as relevant, but it's certainly a metric we track and we're certainly pleased with the continued progress that we make.

Speaker 3

The only thing I'll add to it is that as we look over time, we are very pleased to see these RevPAR indices really globally and also generally within the continent at some of the strongest levels that we've seen over time. So I think it's a great sign of the power of Bonvoy and our brands to see that it's kind of consistently some of the strongest numbers that we've seen over time. And when

Speaker 2

you look at the regions of the world that are outperforming, I'll use APAC as an example. One of the powerful drivers to the strength of our index in a market like that is our leading footprint. I mean, when you look across some of the best performing markets there, having the industry's largest footprint in markets like India, Japan, South Korea is helping us drive really strong RevPAR performance.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks so much everyone.

Speaker 2

Welcome.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Richard Clarke with Bernstein. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just to start off with, you made a couple of comments about strong outbound travel out of the U. S. And China.

Speaker 8

How well hedged do you see yourself for that? Do those consumers stay in Marriott Hotels when they travel to other cities? Or if that normalizes, is that become then a tailwind for you if domestic travel begins to pick back up again?

Speaker 2

Yes, it's a great question. I think the way I would answer it is to point to the comments I made at the outset about Bonvoy penetration. It is not a coincidence against the backdrop of the environment you described that we set all time records for Vonvoy penetration both in the U. S. And globally.

Speaker 2

And to me, the strength of the loyalty platform combined with the breadth of our footprint in the international destinations where our guests want to travel, I think does create a tailwind for us.

Speaker 3

And the only thing I'll add is kind of the interesting fact that we're really essentially back to where we were in terms of cross border penetration. And while it may vary a bit here and there, we've clearly still got lower cross border penetration in China and we've got in some other areas a bit higher. I think CALO was particularly high in Q1. In the U. S, it's very steady as she goes, where we've got basically only 5% of the customers in the U.

Speaker 3

S. Are coming from outside the U. S. And that broadly speaking, our global distribution is just tremendously helpful as folks find the places they want to go within our system. But that overall, a lot of the variations really don't drive that big of a change in RevPAR.

Speaker 8

Okay, great. Maybe just as a follow-up on the loyalty comment in there. One of your peers has been making, I guess, a bit of noise out of the fact that they think they will overtake you in terms of total loyalty members. Is that a relevant metric to you? And is any of that tech investment you're doing looking to engage a higher number of customers overall?

Speaker 2

Well, without question, on the long list of loyalty metrics we look at, I think we have enthusiasm about having the industry's largest platform. But from my perspective, it goes much deeper than that. Size is important, of course. Engagement to me is a much more important facet of the program. And the work that we are doing to drive that engagement through our large powerful and growing credit card portfolio through the breadth of experiences that we offer our members.

Speaker 2

Those are the powerful drivers of engagement with our members. I think the

Speaker 3

penetration is obviously critically important as you look at making sure that you are helping your customers understand the value of the program and of all the options that they have, whether it be going to 141 countries or actually thinking about things like Ritz Carlton Yacht and things like the Bonvoy moments that Tony talked about. So a number is a number, but I think it can actually not be a true guide for the power of a program.

Speaker 8

Makes sense. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Smedes Rhodes with Citi. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, thank you. I just wanted to ask a little bit more about the trends you're seeing in the U. S. It sounds like you revised your U. S.

Speaker 5

Expectations down a little bit and it sounds like that's primarily due to the leisure component, maybe more people going abroad, staying with your hotels there. And I get that your worldwide RevPAR outlook hasn't changed. But is there anything else you're seeing in the U. S. That you can share that maybe led you to expect a little bit lower coming out here nationwide for the year?

Speaker 5

Or is it all just because of what you're seeing on the leisure side?

Speaker 3

Yes. No, it's absolutely solely because of what we're seeing on the leisure side. And again, we still do expect to see that it roughly will be up a little for the year, but we on the leisure side, but we do view that BT and group are absolutely as strong as we expected and leisure is still fine. But when you look at the change, which I would say kind of broadly speaking, maybe a point lower in the U. S.

Speaker 3

Than we expected a quarter ago, maybe a little bit more than a point higher internationally kind of gets us to roughly the same place from a RevPAR picture globally. The other thing I would point out is, as we do expect that our tiers across the segments in the U. S, we do expect that they will all be up for the year in terms of RevPAR from select service all the way up through luxury. But again, to your point, yes, it was the leisure segment. It was a bit lower.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then I just wanted to ask you, you mentioned in your opening remarks a conversion friendly brand. Could you just talk a little bit more about that kind of what are you targeting there? And is that primarily I guess for the U. S.

Speaker 5

Or?

Speaker 2

Sure. No, it's global. And I think while we have a terrific track record of doing conversions across many of the brands in the portfolio. When we find ourselves in an environment like this where conversions are particularly important given some of the challenges in the debt markets. We feel like our transactors are very well armed with brands like the 3 soft brand platforms.

Speaker 2

So Luxury Collection, Autograph, Tribute, great examples where they have a level of flexibility not on quality, but on aesthetic that is particularly appealing to a broad cross section of the owner and franchisee community.

Operator

Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from Dan Politzer with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Thanks for taking my questions. Leeny, I think you mentioned that within group, the Fortune 100, you've seen the strongest quarter over quarter growth in quite some time. Can you maybe give a little bit additional color and how that maybe compares with the small and medium sized business customers? And maybe remind us, which typically leads the other within the cycle?

Speaker 3

So a couple of things. One reminder that small and medium sized businesses, that is probably the hardest segment to actually pinpoint all the specifics on the travel. But I think you did see in Q1, you did see the relatively speaking slightly lower percentage of small and medium sized BT business across the portfolio showing up in the lower end. On the special corporate on the larger company size, we absolutely continue to see recovery of that business. As you saw, for example, finance, the finance segment is now 8% up relative to 2019.

Speaker 3

You saw really strong continued momentum in manufacturing and communications. And actually, while accounting, consulting and technology are still down meaningfully compared to 2019, they also continue to see meaningful momentum into Q1. When you think about the typical trends in a cycle, I think 1 quarter does not a trend make. We know that the month of March had some real calendar issues. And you also know that January tends to be a little odd in terms of being able to determine trends because of the timing of when Christmas and New Year's are.

Speaker 3

So I think it will take a little time. We aren't expecting a big difference. You may remember that we used to have pre COVID kind of a sixty-forty split between classic negotiated rate versus the small and medium, then it slipped coming out of COVID. And now I would say we're kind of more towards the 55%, 45% with the small and medium still be in the 55%. But yes, from a relative growth perspective, we did see that it was the special corporate end of things that really grew.

Speaker 9

Got it. Thanks. And just for my follow-up, I think non RevPAR fees, they were up maybe 6% in the quarter. I think you had been talking about them being down and credit card fees in there, I think you also said were up. So within that residence and timeshare and other bucket, was there a shift around in terms of the fees there from 1Q to maybe 2Q or is there something else that we should be aware of?

Speaker 9

Yes.

Speaker 3

I think as you're probably familiar that our residential branding fees tend to be quite lumpy, literally can go from $10,000,000 in 1 quarter down to $3,000,000 in next quarter because as units are sold, we burn those fees, they are one time fees on the residential sales, branding fees. So if a unit sells out, we get them all at once. So that is purely timing for the full year perspective. We don't anticipate anything different from what we thought before.

Speaker 9

Understood. Thanks so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Bill Crow with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hey, thanks. Good morning. I wanted to follow-up on Smedes' question from earlier. And Tony, you talked about normalization in U. S.

Speaker 10

Demand and certainly we've written the same thing. But industry wide demand has been flat to down over the past year, which really doesn't seem so much as a normalization as it does a slowdown, especially given the economic growth, which is a surprise to the upside. I'm just curious at what point do we start to worry about the consumer and maybe a changing spending patterns?

Speaker 2

Yes, that's fair question. I might have a deeper concern if we were reporting to you U. S. And Canada negative RevPAR. The fact that we were up 1.5% in the quarter even with the holiday timing impact that Leeny described gives me some comfort.

Speaker 2

And if you kind of tick through the segments, leisure was flat relative to last year's Q1, but still meaningfully ahead of where we were back in 2019. In response to one of the earlier questions, I shared what I think are really encouraging statistics on the continued strength we're seeing in group. We were talking to the team yesterday that is selling doing advanced selling for the Gaylord Pacific project. It's under construction and they are hitting it out of the park. I mean they are seeing extraordinary volumes of demand on the group side.

Speaker 2

And then even on business transient, I mean, to me, when I think about one of Leeny's comments, the fact that the growth in the U. S. And Canada, we saw large corporate business with our top 100 accounts seeing the most sequential improvement we've seen in the last 8 quarters. I throw all that in the blender and it does feel a little more like settling into a more normalized pattern versus a really systemic falling off the cliff.

Speaker 3

And if I can, I'm going to throw in a little bit of a glass half full relative to what I think seems like a little bit of a glass half empty question. And that is when we look at the rest of the year, we are looking both U. S. And international gains in both AUG and rate for the full year. We also saw that in the Q1, you saw through Luxury Premium and Select, you saw that you had generally rate and occ gains overall with the exception that in the select you saw a slight decline in occ, but for the full year we are expecting that we will continue to see growth.

Speaker 3

So broadly speaking, we still feel like we really benefit from these different types of travel demand. There's no doubt that we appreciate when group strengthens, when leisure quiets down a little bit and there is overall more normalization of travel types than a couple of years ago. But when we think about the overall demand levels, we feel really good about it.

Speaker 10

That's really helpful. If I could just do a follow-up, a quick follow-up here. I think there's been a lot of optimism that especially this summer we'd see the inbound, outbound travel relationship in the United States kind of normalize and that would propel demand. And I'm just curious whether there's been a shift in that thinking at all since you moved on the margin, your RevPAR growth more in favor of international from domestic, maybe the strong dollar is not helping things. Any thoughts you have there would be helpful.

Speaker 3

I honestly couldn't quite hear the question.

Speaker 2

Yes. I think the question is really just around U. S. Travel, state domestic versus international. I think, Bill, your comment about the continued strength of the dollar is a pretty relevant data point to consider.

Speaker 2

I was at the as you may or may not know, 2024 is the year of U. S.-Japan tourism. There's a big collaboration between the United States and Japan. And I met with the Japanese ambassador on Monday of this week and he talked about the extraordinarily strong flow of U. S.

Speaker 2

Visitors to Japan and maybe innocently I asked him how we can drive strong Japanese visitation to the U. S. And his response was, well, you can weaken the dollar against the yen. So I do think it's a relevant data point. It bodes well for our international distribution And I think that is reflected in while our overall RevPAR guidance hasn't modified, you're seeing meaningfully more strength in the international markets for exactly that reason.

Speaker 3

So the only other thing I'll add is that one of the interesting parts is that when you look at Asia Pacific's RevPAR, while some of that benefits from Tony's comment about U. S. Traveler, a whole lot of that is the reality that now China is opening up more for cross border. So you are seeing global travel preferences, not just U. S.

Speaker 3

Travelers. Interestingly, our U. S. Proportion of domestic travelers has been remarkably consistent over time, where it was for many years, it was roughly only 5 percent are from outside the U. S.

Speaker 3

And that the domestic business is overwhelmingly 95% U. S. Traveler and that is still the case now. So we aren't seeing that the U. S.

Speaker 3

Business is really suffering from everybody leaving the U. S. I think it is more the reality of global growth travel in general.

Speaker 10

Great. Thank you both.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from David Katz with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Tony, one of the last notes that you dropped in was about your forthcoming conversion brand and not to steal any thunder, but if we could borrow a couple of cracks of lightning and just talk about sort of why, why now, what the sort of philosophical thought process is about sort of bringing that to market would be great?

Speaker 2

Of course. I think David you and I have had the chance to talk in the past about our overarching growth strategy and that strategy is really guided by this desire to make sure our portfolio offers the right product everywhere our guests want to travel for every trip purpose. And we learn with increasingly fluence increasingly frequency, excuse me, that more and more members and prospective members of Bonvoy for certain trip purposes seek the price point and the value proposition of platforms in the mid scale tier. The reality is given the climate for new construction debt in the U. S, having a platform that can easily pivot between both newbuild and conversion opportunities.

Speaker 2

The timing seems ideal to launch something in that space. Lieny, I don't know if you want to

Speaker 3

add anything. And the only thing I would add is that a lot of this is both market research and conversations with our owners and franchisees. So when you think about the supply that's out there, where supply is growing and where it is not, we definitely believe that there is some great opportunity for us to add more new Bonvoy members choices for them across the spectrum and frankly also meet owner and franchisees demand for Marriott product that allows for conversions in markets that over time may have moved and changed, etcetera. So we think it's tremendous opportunity. As you know, Studio Res, which is also a new mid scale brand for us, is overwhelmingly new build and it's extended stay.

Speaker 3

And we just think from our conversations that there'll be great demand for us in this space as well.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Robin Farley with UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Great. Thanks. When we think about I think when investors think about the algorithm for sort of top line growth, it's usually unit growth plus RevPAR growth kind of getting to your top line growth. And this quarter, that would have been the 4 plus 7% getting to 11%, but your top line is more up in the sort of 6% to 7% range. And is there anything that you would say how investors should think about that going forward?

Speaker 11

I know there's sort of different types of rooms in your net unit growth. So is that sort of RevPAR plus unit growth not the way to think about top line? Thanks.

Speaker 3

So a couple of things. I think first of all, the algorithm absolutely works over time. You've got to be careful about looking quarter to quarter or kind of really looking at specifics that are happening in a printed number versus what the trend is over time because absolutely over time we believe that it proves out well. And if you think about it this year, our rooms guidance 5.5 to 5.9 and a midpoint of 4 on RevPAR and we've talked about gross fee revenues having a high of roughly 9%. I mean, these are even within the year pretty close to that algorithm.

Speaker 3

So we do believe that the algorithm works and really just have to look at it not just 1 year in isolation.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thank you. And then just a follow-up question on conversions. I don't know what I don't know if you broke out the conversion percent outside of the MGM deal. Just sort of looking at that traditional conversions as a percent of total unit growth.

Speaker 11

But I think that your guidance for next year assumes an acceleration in conversions as a percent of unit growth? And is this the brand that you haven't that you're going to launch that in the midscale segment you mentioned is conversion friendly. Is that in your mind what investors should think of as the driver for that acceleration in conversions in 2025 versus 2024? Or and maybe there are other things that you haven't yet talked about that other brands to come or something. But just wondering if that if this upcoming one would be the main driver for that?

Speaker 3

So just as a reminder, conversions were roughly 30% of our signings this year in the Q1, and we've got a very strong stream of conversions moving through the pipeline. So no, while we do see tremendous opportunity there, the kinds of numbers that we've talked about and talked about last September did not include assumed expectations would be from this new brand on conversions. We said roughly 30% of the room ads ex MGM would be from conversions and we continue to believe that, but that's not really a change for us over the last couple of quarters.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Chad Beynon with Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Two parter from me on the or ahead of the domestic election. I recall last presidential election, there was a little of softness in D. C.

Speaker 12

As people were just kind of out hustling elsewhere. Does that factor into 4Q? Should that be meaningful? Or is that meaningless? And then secondly on that, is there anything kind of hinged on the election that you're looking at that could change the outlook, in travel based on what you're seeing from the candidates?

Speaker 12

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Well, we better add another hour to the call to take the second part of your question, I think. Maybe the way I would ask answer the second part of your question, on a global basis, travel and tourism thrives in relative stability. I think uncertainty around the election creates all sorts of question marks. We'll get through the election and post results.

Speaker 2

We hope we'll settle into a little bit more stability. In terms of some of the policy a bit of division in Congress. So you may not see a bit of division in Congress. So you may not see strong moves one direction or the other. And I'm sorry, your first question was on impact of the election itself in D.

Speaker 2

C, I think.

Speaker 3

Right. And generally speaking, I would say we do see that there is a dip in government travel after Labor Day and that group and business transient obviously is going to not be traveling during Election Week. But our forecast incorporates the experiences that we've seen before in presidential elections.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Bellisario with Baird.

Speaker 7

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Question on your owned assets. When might we see some of those hotels get sold, especially internationally? I think the comment about an improved outlook would suggest maybe the market or at least the transaction backdrop is better there.

Speaker 7

And if not, could you expand on that? And then secondarily, any CapEx plans next year for the Sheraton Chicago? Or should we expect a big year over year step down in owned CapEx?

Speaker 3

Right. So I'm going to do the second one first, which is that on the Sheridan Grand Chicago, it actually has had a rooms redo over the past 3 years. And so with the exception of, of course, what you normally need to do, I would not expect to see big CapEx spend beyond the norm as you move into 2025 on that hotel. We will be working on a comprehensive view of that hotel for public space, for F and B, for the rooms, etcetera. And ideally, we'd be working with a partner so that you can really, in essence, do it together so that it wouldn't be on Marriott's balance sheet, but that we would sell the hotel and then work towards what the hotel should look like with a partner.

Speaker 3

As you talk about the other owned leased assets, as is often the case with the ones that are still on our balance sheet, each one has a bit of a story. And so for the ones that are in Caribbean, Latin America, for Elegant portfolio, which we are midway through a very comprehensive capital improvement program. We're thrilled with what is coming out of that and look forward to recycling that capital when it's done with the view of how we think about the AI, the all inclusive product for those hotels. So continue to march along. The W Union Square, we're very close to being finished with that renovation.

Speaker 3

Again, absolutely thrilled with the product. I encourage all of you to go by and for sure make sure you stop by the living room, which has a spectacular bar. The rooms are incredible and we're very excited about how that represents the W brand in North America. And so yes, from that standpoint before too long, we'll be beginning to work on the process of determining when and at what price is the right time for the sale of that asset. All of the rest are in that same ballpark.

Speaker 3

Clearly, as there appears starts to appear to be a bit more of a stable view about where interest rates are going, I think we do expect that that will help free up the transaction market a bit. I think it's a little too soon to predict the timing of it, but we are of course hopeful that as we get into the back half of the year, you see starting to see a bit more clarity around exactly what the next couple of years are looking like. Clearly, there's a view that interest rates are likely stay a bit higher a bit longer. And from that perspective, stability of outlook is always very helpful when you're looking at asset sales as well as the markets that those assets are in.

Operator

Thank you. Our last question will come from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Hey, good morning. Saving the best for last. I like it. Just wanted to follow-up on the SMB commentary at the lower end chain scales. I know it's a much smaller percentage of your mix, but can we think about maybe the drivers or any industries that may stick out, if we want to call it drive to business travel, maybe less goods transportation, maybe less disaster relief in some markets?

Speaker 13

I know it's harder to analyze these trends because in many cases they book direct, but wonder if you had any industry commentary on the lower end SMB trends?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think it's a little hard to look at maybe individual industries. Probably the one demand source we're keeping a close eye on is government related business, which in that tier is quite relevant.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back to Tony Cappellano for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Great. Well, thank you again for your participation and interest. We all hope to see you on the road soon. Safe travels.

Operator

This does conclude the Marriott International Q1 2024 earnings conference call. You may now disconnect your line and have a wonderful day.

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