NASDAQ:NVEC NVE Q4 2024 Earnings Report $58.34 +0.19 (+0.33%) Closing price 04/15/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$58.42 +0.08 (+0.14%) As of 04/15/2025 04:05 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings History NVE EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.79Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ANVE Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$7.08 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ANVE Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date5/1/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, May 1, 2024Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsNVE's Q4 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, April 29, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, April 30, 2025 at 4:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by NVE Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 1, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 4 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to NPE Corporation Conference Call on 4th Quarter Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:21Please note that today's conference is being recorded. I will now hand the conference over to Mr. Dan Baker, President and CEO. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:31Good afternoon, and welcome to our conference call for the quarter fiscal year ended March 31, 2024. This call is being webcast live and recorded. A replay will be available through our website, nve.com. I'm joined by Controller and Principal Financial Officer, Daniel Nelson. After my opening comments, Daniel will present our financial results. Speaker 100:00:54I'll cover products and marketing, and we'll open the call to questions. We issued our press release with financial results and filed our annual report on Form 10 ks in the past hour following the close of markets. Links to the press release and 10 ks are available through the SEC's website, our website and on X formerly known as Twitter. Comments we may make that relate to future plans, events, financial results or performance are forward looking statements that are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, including among others such factors as uncertainties related to the economic environments and the industries we serve and risks and uncertainties related to future sales and revenue as well as the risk factors listed from time to time in our filings with the SEC, including our just filed annual report on Form 10 ks. Actual results could differ materially from the information provided and we undertake no obligation to update forward looking statements we may make. Speaker 100:01:53We're pleased to report strong earnings despite a decrease in revenue from a record shattering quarter a year ago. Daniel Nelson will cover the details of our financials. Daniel? Speaker 200:02:05Thanks, Dan. Percent compared to our record prior year quarter. The decrease was due to a 43% decrease in product sales and an 88% decrease in contract research and development revenue with a tough comparison. The decrease in product sales was primarily due semiconductor industry downturn. The good news is that the industry is gaining strength and forecasts are for strong industry recovery in calendar 2024. Speaker 200:02:47To grow 13% in 2024 after plummeting 8% in 2023. Our product sales for the most recent quarter increased our product sales for the most recent quarter increased 11% sequentially from the immediately prior quarter. As we expected, our product sales to defense market recovered in the past quarter. These sales can fluctuate and were especially weak in the 1st three quarters of the fiscal year due to procurement cycle timing. Total expenses decreased 6% for the Q4 of fiscal 2024 compared to the Q4 of fiscal 2023 due to a 37% decrease in SG and A, partially offset by a 33% increase in R and D. Speaker 200:03:38The decrease in R and D expense was primarily due to an increase in new product development. The decrease in SG and A was primarily due to decreased performance based compensation accruals. Interest income for the Q4 of fiscal 2024 increased 25% due to higher interest rates. Our effective tax rate, which is the provision for income taxes as a percentage of income before taxes, increased to 17% for the Q4 of fiscal 2024 compared to 12% for the Q4 of fiscal 2023. The lower rate in the prior year quarter was primarily due to the CHIPS Act federal tax credits related to the expansion of our production space and new production equipment deployed in the prior year quarter. Speaker 200:04:30The 54% decrease in net income for the Q4 of fiscal 2024 compared to the prior year quarter was primarily due to decreased revenue and a higher effective tax rate, partially offset by increased interest income and decreased expenses. It was a solidly profitable quarter with earnings of $0.79 per share. High value products have allowed us to weather the industry downturn. Gross margin was 75% and net margin was 54%. For the fiscal year, revenue decreased 22%, primarily due to decreased product sales. Speaker 200:05:12Net income was $17,100,000 for fiscal 2024 and operating cash flows was $18,200,000 for fiscal 2024. Net income was down 25%, but still a solid $3.54 per share. Purchases of fixed assets were only $17,000 last fiscal year, but we hope to deploy over $200,000 in equipment this quarter, the June quarter. We're planning $4,000,000 to $5,000,000 in capital investment in the next 2 fiscal years, fiscal 2025 and 2026. And we've already made some equipment down payments this quarter, the Q1 of fiscal 2025. Speaker 200:05:58This will represent some of our largest capital investments ever. Dan will provide details of the planned expansion in a few minutes. Now I'll turn the call back over to Dan Baker to cover the business. Over to you, Dan. Speaker 100:06:12Thanks, Daniel. I'll cover products, marketing and CapEx. In the past quarter, we expanded our line of tunneling magnetoresistance magnetometers. The new version expands the range of magnetic fields we cover, which opens more potential applications in the industrial Internet of Things and other areas. We've had a major initiative to broaden our lines of product evaluation boards. Speaker 100:06:36These boards promote our products and allow prospective customers to easily try out our unique products. There are several recent videos on our website and YouTube channel that highlight the new boards. The boards serve as both products and marketing vehicles. On marketing, we're planning to exhibit at 2 major trade shows this quarter, including the Sensor Plus Test Show, which is billed as the leading international trade fair for sensing, measuring and testing technology. The show is in June in Nuremberg, Germany. Speaker 100:07:11We've typically relied on distributors to represent us at international trade shows. But this year we'll also have our own booth, which will give us more space to promote our products. Later in June, we will be at Sensors Converge in Silicon Valley, which is billed as North America's largest electronics event. We believe these investments in shows will pay off in future sales. Daniel mentioned plans for a multimillion dollar wafer level chip scale packages in house. Speaker 100:07:54These parts will be smaller, higher performance and allow us to be more self sufficient and capture more value. Most of our products are currently packaged in Asia by outsourced semiconductor assembly and test or OSAT subcontractors using conventional plastic over molding. Wafer level chip scale parts can be even smaller than these encapsulated components. We provided customers with wafer level chip scale prototypes and there has been solid customer interest. We hope to begin some production this fiscal year. Speaker 100:08:33The planned investments will also reduce our supply chain risks. The COVID-nineteen pandemic exposed the vulnerabilities of the OSAT supply chain. There have been shortages of raw materials, OSATs need for their processes. OSATs have also had government lockdown restrictions, labor shortages and raw material shortages. As we begin fiscal 2025, I'd like to review some highlights of fiscal 2024. Speaker 100:09:03We extended our Abbott partnering agreement. We supported a number of distributor exhibitions and exhibited under our own banner. We introduced extended temperature isolated network transceivers and ultra high isolation data couplers. We earned the prestigious CE Mark for our line of the world's smallest DC to DC converter products and related power conversion products. We launched more products combining data couplers with isolated DC to DC converters to transmit power as well as data. Speaker 100:09:38We also invested in R and D initiatives with the potential to drive future growth. Medium term development programs in the past year included next generation MRAM for anti tamper applications, next generation sensors for hearing aids and implanted medical devices, extremely sensitive TMR sensors and wafer level chip scale sensors. Long term programs included technology that could provide the energy efficiency needed to accelerate the use of magnetic tunnel junctions in memory, logic and neuromorphic computing. Highlights of this research were published in the past year and the link to the paper is on our website. Now I'd like to open the call for questions. Speaker 100:10:27Olivia? Operator00:10:30Thank you. And we have a question coming from the line of Jeffrey Bernstein with Superbournsey Capital Management. Your line is open. Speaker 300:10:58Hi, guys. Hi, Jim. So big announcement here. I tend to think of you, Dan, as a conservative guy. And I think if anyone's had anything to complain about over the years with the company, it's been that maybe you weren't spending enough money to grow the revenue as opposed to being incredibly profitable. Speaker 300:11:22So here I see in the quarter the R and D as a percentage of revenue is up, SG and A is up and you're planning a big capital plan. And so I just get the feeling that that's not done willy nilly that you must be having some pretty strong indications that there's demand out there for this capacity and capability you're going to be adding. So can you just give us a little bit more color on that on what you have in terms of commitment or interest levels that got you and the Board to be willing to make these commitments? Speaker 100:12:06Right. Well, thanks, Jeff. And as you say, we are we try to make sure that when we spend our shareholders' money that it's going to get a return for them. And we treat that obligation seriously and we hold investments to a high standard. But we're excited about this capital investment with this expansion and the opportunities that it presents. Speaker 100:12:33We really see them as historic opportunities to dramatically improve our capabilities and to make our products smaller and more sensitive and extend our advantages. And so that's the reason for the large investment. What we talked about was one of the major things that the investment will give us is the capability to do wafer level chip scale packages, which I talked about a bit in the prepared remarks. So these are significantly smaller than our current products and our current products are significantly smaller than most conventional electronics. So it will be a dramatic step forward. Speaker 100:13:13The miniaturization is important in another number of markets. Obviously, in implanted medical devices, smaller is better. It allows for smaller devices, smaller incisions, less risks of complications, and it will allow more precise industrial sensors as well because they're smaller. So that's one of the areas that we're investing in. As I mentioned again in the prepared remarks, we've been able our team has been able to make prototypes of those devices and we've shared them with customers and the interest has been very strong. Speaker 100:13:51So that's part of the you mentioned 2 sets of investments. You mentioned the planned capital investments, which is the production equipment to make these sorts of next generation devices. And you mentioned the R and D investment, which is the Ingenious folks who are working on developing the process and capabilities to make these parts and to make these prototypes. So you're right, we are seeing some historic opportunities and we're willing to invest in it and our Board has been very supportive. Speaker 300:14:27Got you. And then Dan, are you delivering anything that's in a chip scale package of this nature today for current customers and now you want to do it internally or is this going to be brand new? Speaker 100:14:44Primarily, this will be brand new, Jeff. We are delivering prototypes, but we're not currently in production. What we're doing now is relatively small scale and it allows us to get sample to test parts and to get samples to our customers for evaluation and to develop the market. As I said, our goal is to be in production later this fiscal year. And so that will mean getting the equipment in, getting the processes developed and getting a variety of production processes up and running. Speaker 100:15:22And it will mean some expansion in the building and some repurposing of some of the space that we have now. Speaker 300:15:29Got you. And is there any relationship between this investment and new relationships that were established as a result of the COVID semiconductor shortages and you're getting in front of more customers who really just had to find better and other sources of supply? Speaker 100:15:52They are related, Jeff. You're absolutely right. We have customers who are interested in this. And then also one of the things that the pandemic highlighted was the risks of the supply chain, the supply chain risks that we face and that were highlighted during the pandemic for encapsulated parts. So like most companies in the semiconductor industry, the encapsulation or packaging is done in Asia by OSATs or contractors, subcontractors. Speaker 100:16:27And that exposed a significant vulnerability in the supply chain for these types of parts. So we had customers wanting us to onshore and to bring processes in house to encourage us to do that. And so some of these investments are response to those that kind of customer interest and feedback that we got during the pandemic and the Chippigan shortages. Speaker 300:16:56Got you. Okay. And lastly, in the K and you mentioned on the call here some of the new product development initiatives. I was curious to see you mentioned in the K some even higher power isolators. And just kind of wondering what the application is there. Speaker 300:17:22I think previously you had the capability to work with things like silicon carbide modules and GaN and some of the new really higher power compound semis out there. But what's happening in that higher power domain? Speaker 100:17:42Well, that's a very exciting area because there's so much interest in power conversion and more efficient power conversion. So as you know and as you pointed out, our devices are uniquely situated to drive some of these widebandgap transistor switches that are now becoming available that switch at higher and higher voltages and higher and higher powers. So the higher voltages generally mean more efficiency, and the higher power allows larger and larger motors and systems to be controlled. So we see applications in electric vehicles, in alternative energy and clean energy conversion and power storage. So that's an area that we see as providing excellent growth opportunities and we're continuing to expand our product line in those areas. Speaker 100:18:38As I mentioned in the prepared remarks, We're going to higher and higher voltages that our devices can withstand in order to keep up with the market for those ultra high efficiency power switches. So we have the highest isolation voltage, which is a key figure of merit in the industry, the highest of their type. And we also have the highest switching speed capability, what sometimes called CMTI or common mode transient immunity, which is another figure of merit. So we have the best devices in the industry in a market that's growing rapidly and that is demanding more and more efficient power switching. Speaker 300:19:27Got you. Okay. And then just we've talked about Speaker 100:19:30in the Speaker 300:19:31past the challenges of engaging with folks like the auto manufacturers and the major OEMs there, etcetera. It sounds like some of these parts would be appropriate for more industrial kinds of applications and electricity transmission and storage and those kinds of things where maybe the ability for you guys to market might be easier. Can you just talk to that a little bit? Speaker 100:20:04Exactly. So we have cautioned that automotive markets can take a while to develop, but it remains an area that we're focusing on. But nearer term, we are expanding our DC to DC power conversion product lines, which we talked about, and those have potential in solar and energy storage markets, wind power conversion, those are important fast growing markets. So we see a broad range of opportunities for these products, automotive and clean energy are 2 of the most important. Speaker 300:20:44Great. Thanks very much for the time. I'll let someone else ask some questions. Speaker 100:20:48Thanks, Jeff. Operator00:21:03And I see no further questions in the queue at this time. I'll turn the conference call back to you, Mr. Baker, for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:21:12Well, thank you, everyone. We were pleased to report strong earnings for the quarter. We're pleased to talk about our expansion plans and capital investment. We're well positioned for an industry recovery. We look forward to speaking with you again at our next earnings call in July to review the Q1 of fiscal 2025. Operator00:21:34Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference for today. 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There are 4 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to NPE Corporation Conference Call on 4th Quarter Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:21Please note that today's conference is being recorded. I will now hand the conference over to Mr. Dan Baker, President and CEO. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:31Good afternoon, and welcome to our conference call for the quarter fiscal year ended March 31, 2024. This call is being webcast live and recorded. A replay will be available through our website, nve.com. I'm joined by Controller and Principal Financial Officer, Daniel Nelson. After my opening comments, Daniel will present our financial results. Speaker 100:00:54I'll cover products and marketing, and we'll open the call to questions. We issued our press release with financial results and filed our annual report on Form 10 ks in the past hour following the close of markets. Links to the press release and 10 ks are available through the SEC's website, our website and on X formerly known as Twitter. Comments we may make that relate to future plans, events, financial results or performance are forward looking statements that are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, including among others such factors as uncertainties related to the economic environments and the industries we serve and risks and uncertainties related to future sales and revenue as well as the risk factors listed from time to time in our filings with the SEC, including our just filed annual report on Form 10 ks. Actual results could differ materially from the information provided and we undertake no obligation to update forward looking statements we may make. Speaker 100:01:53We're pleased to report strong earnings despite a decrease in revenue from a record shattering quarter a year ago. Daniel Nelson will cover the details of our financials. Daniel? Speaker 200:02:05Thanks, Dan. Percent compared to our record prior year quarter. The decrease was due to a 43% decrease in product sales and an 88% decrease in contract research and development revenue with a tough comparison. The decrease in product sales was primarily due semiconductor industry downturn. The good news is that the industry is gaining strength and forecasts are for strong industry recovery in calendar 2024. Speaker 200:02:47To grow 13% in 2024 after plummeting 8% in 2023. Our product sales for the most recent quarter increased our product sales for the most recent quarter increased 11% sequentially from the immediately prior quarter. As we expected, our product sales to defense market recovered in the past quarter. These sales can fluctuate and were especially weak in the 1st three quarters of the fiscal year due to procurement cycle timing. Total expenses decreased 6% for the Q4 of fiscal 2024 compared to the Q4 of fiscal 2023 due to a 37% decrease in SG and A, partially offset by a 33% increase in R and D. Speaker 200:03:38The decrease in R and D expense was primarily due to an increase in new product development. The decrease in SG and A was primarily due to decreased performance based compensation accruals. Interest income for the Q4 of fiscal 2024 increased 25% due to higher interest rates. Our effective tax rate, which is the provision for income taxes as a percentage of income before taxes, increased to 17% for the Q4 of fiscal 2024 compared to 12% for the Q4 of fiscal 2023. The lower rate in the prior year quarter was primarily due to the CHIPS Act federal tax credits related to the expansion of our production space and new production equipment deployed in the prior year quarter. Speaker 200:04:30The 54% decrease in net income for the Q4 of fiscal 2024 compared to the prior year quarter was primarily due to decreased revenue and a higher effective tax rate, partially offset by increased interest income and decreased expenses. It was a solidly profitable quarter with earnings of $0.79 per share. High value products have allowed us to weather the industry downturn. Gross margin was 75% and net margin was 54%. For the fiscal year, revenue decreased 22%, primarily due to decreased product sales. Speaker 200:05:12Net income was $17,100,000 for fiscal 2024 and operating cash flows was $18,200,000 for fiscal 2024. Net income was down 25%, but still a solid $3.54 per share. Purchases of fixed assets were only $17,000 last fiscal year, but we hope to deploy over $200,000 in equipment this quarter, the June quarter. We're planning $4,000,000 to $5,000,000 in capital investment in the next 2 fiscal years, fiscal 2025 and 2026. And we've already made some equipment down payments this quarter, the Q1 of fiscal 2025. Speaker 200:05:58This will represent some of our largest capital investments ever. Dan will provide details of the planned expansion in a few minutes. Now I'll turn the call back over to Dan Baker to cover the business. Over to you, Dan. Speaker 100:06:12Thanks, Daniel. I'll cover products, marketing and CapEx. In the past quarter, we expanded our line of tunneling magnetoresistance magnetometers. The new version expands the range of magnetic fields we cover, which opens more potential applications in the industrial Internet of Things and other areas. We've had a major initiative to broaden our lines of product evaluation boards. Speaker 100:06:36These boards promote our products and allow prospective customers to easily try out our unique products. There are several recent videos on our website and YouTube channel that highlight the new boards. The boards serve as both products and marketing vehicles. On marketing, we're planning to exhibit at 2 major trade shows this quarter, including the Sensor Plus Test Show, which is billed as the leading international trade fair for sensing, measuring and testing technology. The show is in June in Nuremberg, Germany. Speaker 100:07:11We've typically relied on distributors to represent us at international trade shows. But this year we'll also have our own booth, which will give us more space to promote our products. Later in June, we will be at Sensors Converge in Silicon Valley, which is billed as North America's largest electronics event. We believe these investments in shows will pay off in future sales. Daniel mentioned plans for a multimillion dollar wafer level chip scale packages in house. Speaker 100:07:54These parts will be smaller, higher performance and allow us to be more self sufficient and capture more value. Most of our products are currently packaged in Asia by outsourced semiconductor assembly and test or OSAT subcontractors using conventional plastic over molding. Wafer level chip scale parts can be even smaller than these encapsulated components. We provided customers with wafer level chip scale prototypes and there has been solid customer interest. We hope to begin some production this fiscal year. Speaker 100:08:33The planned investments will also reduce our supply chain risks. The COVID-nineteen pandemic exposed the vulnerabilities of the OSAT supply chain. There have been shortages of raw materials, OSATs need for their processes. OSATs have also had government lockdown restrictions, labor shortages and raw material shortages. As we begin fiscal 2025, I'd like to review some highlights of fiscal 2024. Speaker 100:09:03We extended our Abbott partnering agreement. We supported a number of distributor exhibitions and exhibited under our own banner. We introduced extended temperature isolated network transceivers and ultra high isolation data couplers. We earned the prestigious CE Mark for our line of the world's smallest DC to DC converter products and related power conversion products. We launched more products combining data couplers with isolated DC to DC converters to transmit power as well as data. Speaker 100:09:38We also invested in R and D initiatives with the potential to drive future growth. Medium term development programs in the past year included next generation MRAM for anti tamper applications, next generation sensors for hearing aids and implanted medical devices, extremely sensitive TMR sensors and wafer level chip scale sensors. Long term programs included technology that could provide the energy efficiency needed to accelerate the use of magnetic tunnel junctions in memory, logic and neuromorphic computing. Highlights of this research were published in the past year and the link to the paper is on our website. Now I'd like to open the call for questions. Speaker 100:10:27Olivia? Operator00:10:30Thank you. And we have a question coming from the line of Jeffrey Bernstein with Superbournsey Capital Management. Your line is open. Speaker 300:10:58Hi, guys. Hi, Jim. So big announcement here. I tend to think of you, Dan, as a conservative guy. And I think if anyone's had anything to complain about over the years with the company, it's been that maybe you weren't spending enough money to grow the revenue as opposed to being incredibly profitable. Speaker 300:11:22So here I see in the quarter the R and D as a percentage of revenue is up, SG and A is up and you're planning a big capital plan. And so I just get the feeling that that's not done willy nilly that you must be having some pretty strong indications that there's demand out there for this capacity and capability you're going to be adding. So can you just give us a little bit more color on that on what you have in terms of commitment or interest levels that got you and the Board to be willing to make these commitments? Speaker 100:12:06Right. Well, thanks, Jeff. And as you say, we are we try to make sure that when we spend our shareholders' money that it's going to get a return for them. And we treat that obligation seriously and we hold investments to a high standard. But we're excited about this capital investment with this expansion and the opportunities that it presents. Speaker 100:12:33We really see them as historic opportunities to dramatically improve our capabilities and to make our products smaller and more sensitive and extend our advantages. And so that's the reason for the large investment. What we talked about was one of the major things that the investment will give us is the capability to do wafer level chip scale packages, which I talked about a bit in the prepared remarks. So these are significantly smaller than our current products and our current products are significantly smaller than most conventional electronics. So it will be a dramatic step forward. Speaker 100:13:13The miniaturization is important in another number of markets. Obviously, in implanted medical devices, smaller is better. It allows for smaller devices, smaller incisions, less risks of complications, and it will allow more precise industrial sensors as well because they're smaller. So that's one of the areas that we're investing in. As I mentioned again in the prepared remarks, we've been able our team has been able to make prototypes of those devices and we've shared them with customers and the interest has been very strong. Speaker 100:13:51So that's part of the you mentioned 2 sets of investments. You mentioned the planned capital investments, which is the production equipment to make these sorts of next generation devices. And you mentioned the R and D investment, which is the Ingenious folks who are working on developing the process and capabilities to make these parts and to make these prototypes. So you're right, we are seeing some historic opportunities and we're willing to invest in it and our Board has been very supportive. Speaker 300:14:27Got you. And then Dan, are you delivering anything that's in a chip scale package of this nature today for current customers and now you want to do it internally or is this going to be brand new? Speaker 100:14:44Primarily, this will be brand new, Jeff. We are delivering prototypes, but we're not currently in production. What we're doing now is relatively small scale and it allows us to get sample to test parts and to get samples to our customers for evaluation and to develop the market. As I said, our goal is to be in production later this fiscal year. And so that will mean getting the equipment in, getting the processes developed and getting a variety of production processes up and running. Speaker 100:15:22And it will mean some expansion in the building and some repurposing of some of the space that we have now. Speaker 300:15:29Got you. And is there any relationship between this investment and new relationships that were established as a result of the COVID semiconductor shortages and you're getting in front of more customers who really just had to find better and other sources of supply? Speaker 100:15:52They are related, Jeff. You're absolutely right. We have customers who are interested in this. And then also one of the things that the pandemic highlighted was the risks of the supply chain, the supply chain risks that we face and that were highlighted during the pandemic for encapsulated parts. So like most companies in the semiconductor industry, the encapsulation or packaging is done in Asia by OSATs or contractors, subcontractors. Speaker 100:16:27And that exposed a significant vulnerability in the supply chain for these types of parts. So we had customers wanting us to onshore and to bring processes in house to encourage us to do that. And so some of these investments are response to those that kind of customer interest and feedback that we got during the pandemic and the Chippigan shortages. Speaker 300:16:56Got you. Okay. And lastly, in the K and you mentioned on the call here some of the new product development initiatives. I was curious to see you mentioned in the K some even higher power isolators. And just kind of wondering what the application is there. Speaker 300:17:22I think previously you had the capability to work with things like silicon carbide modules and GaN and some of the new really higher power compound semis out there. But what's happening in that higher power domain? Speaker 100:17:42Well, that's a very exciting area because there's so much interest in power conversion and more efficient power conversion. So as you know and as you pointed out, our devices are uniquely situated to drive some of these widebandgap transistor switches that are now becoming available that switch at higher and higher voltages and higher and higher powers. So the higher voltages generally mean more efficiency, and the higher power allows larger and larger motors and systems to be controlled. So we see applications in electric vehicles, in alternative energy and clean energy conversion and power storage. So that's an area that we see as providing excellent growth opportunities and we're continuing to expand our product line in those areas. Speaker 100:18:38As I mentioned in the prepared remarks, We're going to higher and higher voltages that our devices can withstand in order to keep up with the market for those ultra high efficiency power switches. So we have the highest isolation voltage, which is a key figure of merit in the industry, the highest of their type. And we also have the highest switching speed capability, what sometimes called CMTI or common mode transient immunity, which is another figure of merit. So we have the best devices in the industry in a market that's growing rapidly and that is demanding more and more efficient power switching. Speaker 300:19:27Got you. Okay. And then just we've talked about Speaker 100:19:30in the Speaker 300:19:31past the challenges of engaging with folks like the auto manufacturers and the major OEMs there, etcetera. It sounds like some of these parts would be appropriate for more industrial kinds of applications and electricity transmission and storage and those kinds of things where maybe the ability for you guys to market might be easier. Can you just talk to that a little bit? Speaker 100:20:04Exactly. So we have cautioned that automotive markets can take a while to develop, but it remains an area that we're focusing on. But nearer term, we are expanding our DC to DC power conversion product lines, which we talked about, and those have potential in solar and energy storage markets, wind power conversion, those are important fast growing markets. So we see a broad range of opportunities for these products, automotive and clean energy are 2 of the most important. Speaker 300:20:44Great. Thanks very much for the time. I'll let someone else ask some questions. Speaker 100:20:48Thanks, Jeff. Operator00:21:03And I see no further questions in the queue at this time. I'll turn the conference call back to you, Mr. Baker, for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:21:12Well, thank you, everyone. We were pleased to report strong earnings for the quarter. We're pleased to talk about our expansion plans and capital investment. We're well positioned for an industry recovery. We look forward to speaking with you again at our next earnings call in July to review the Q1 of fiscal 2025. Operator00:21:34Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by