NYSE:OGE OGE Energy Q1 2024 Earnings Report $44.92 -0.29 (-0.64%) Closing price 04/25/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$44.86 -0.06 (-0.13%) As of 04/25/2025 04:05 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast OGE Energy EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.09Consensus EPS $0.35Beat/MissMissed by -$0.26One Year Ago EPS$0.19OGE Energy Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$596.80 millionExpected Revenue$607.37 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$10.57 millionYoY Revenue Growth+7.00%OGE Energy Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/1/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateWednesday, May 1, 2024Conference Call Time9:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsOGE Energy's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, April 30, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 9:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by OGE Energy Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 1, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the OGE Energy Corp. 20 24 First Quarter Earnings and Business Update Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:37I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Jason Bailey, Director of Investor Relations, for opening comments. Jason, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:49Thank you, Liz, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to our call. With me today, I have Sean Trotski, our Chairman, President and CEO and Brian Buckler, our CFO. In terms of the call today, we will first hear from Sean, followed by an explanation from Brian of financial results. And finally, as always, we will answer your questions. I would like to remind you that this conference is being webcast and you may follow along at oge.com. Speaker 100:01:17In addition, the conference call and accompanying slides will be archived following the call on that same website. Before we begin the presentation, I'd like to direct your attention to the Safe Harbor statement regarding forward looking statements. This is an SEC requirement for financial statements and simply states that we cannot guarantee forward looking financial results, but this is our best estimate to date. I will now turn the call over to Speaker 200:01:43Sean for his opening remarks. Sean? Thank you, Jason. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. Speaker 200:01:51It's certainly great to be with you. The Q1 of the year delivered solid results and we are firmly on plan for the year. This morning, we reported consolidated earnings of $0.09 per share, including $0.12 per share for OG and E and a holding company loss of 0 point expected earnings per share for the year and we are on plan even with the milder weather. I'm excited for this year and beyond given the strong fundamentals of our business, our outstanding team and our commitment to reach our North Star, delivering safe, reliable and affordable electric service to our 900,000 customers. Last quarter, I updated you on recognition the company and our team received for our culture. Speaker 200:02:38And today, I can add another one to that list. In addition to being named a top workplace in Oklahoma, we were recently named a national top workplace by USA Today. We operate in a highly competitive labor market and it is fulfilling to see our people and culture drive results, innovation and a sense of belonging. I couldn't be more proud to work alongside my 2,300 colleagues. Their commitment to our purpose runs deep and together we are driven to achieve excellence. Speaker 200:03:10Our people's dedication to the communities we support is unwavering. Last Saturday night, at least 25 tornadoes were spotted in Oklahoma, accompanied by high winds, lightning and hail. You've likely seen the news footage of the devastation and heard about the tragic loss of life in a number of towns in Southern Oklahoma. Since Saturday night, our team has worked around the clock to restore power to every customer who could take power. It will take months and perhaps years for those communities to recover and we'll be right alongside our neighbors throughout the rebuilding process. Speaker 200:03:45As we keep these communities front of mind, let's transition to our business this morning. Today, I want to touch on 3 topics: operational excellence for customers, activity on the regulatory front and a preview for the rest of the year. Looking at operations, our grid and weather hardening investments continue to deliver great reliability results. Customers are experiencing fewer and shorter outages as a result of technology platforms and applications that improve communication between devices and automatically reroute power in the event of an outage. We continue to harden the grid by strengthening and replacing poles and restoring structures. Speaker 200:04:26And when we look at the circuits, we've hardened through our grid enhancement program, safety for those circuits has improved 28% since 2020. On the generation front, our power plant operations continue to supplying the grid with electricity to serve our customers. We completed our latest IRP at the end of March, identifying a 5 year plan to address generation capacity needs through 2028. The IRP determined that a combination of solar and CTs are the best choice to meet the identified needs. Shortly, we will issue draft RFPs per the commission rules and then 30 days after that we'll issue the final RFPs and we'll keep you posted as we move along this process. Speaker 200:05:11We are reviewing the final EPA rules released last Thursday to better understand how they may impact our current and future generation plans. Timing for full implementation is uncertain as the rules will likely be challenged in the courts. Together, the investments we make in Generation and wires support the growing communities in our service area. Last month, The Wall Street Journal ranked our hometown of Oklahoma City as the 5th hottest job market in the country due in large part to our low cost of living, of which OG and E is a significant part. And just this week, Forbes ranked Oklahoma City the 2nd best place for small business in the country. Speaker 200:05:53We see growth across a broad set of industries, including healthcare, tribal enterprises, military, housing and data centers. Speaking of data centers, we're excited about the high interest our service area garners for data center locations given that our competitive rates make us an attractive option. We are in discussion with a half dozen or so projects in various stages of development and we will continue to update you as we make progress on that front. For the Q1, both load growth and customer growth were exceptional and set a strong pace for the remainder of the year, and Brian will share more of those details shortly. Yesterday, the U. Speaker 200:06:33S. Department of Energy's Office of Clean Energy Demonstrations awarded the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma an ERA grant to improve resilience in Poteau, Oklahoma. OG and E will support the grant by creating a micro grid to serve 7 buildings on their campus, including a health clinic, child development center and food distribution center. We congratulate our partner, the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma for securing 1 of 19 grants in the U. S. Speaker 200:07:00That will benefit their members and the community at large. We are active in pursuing additional grants to further support affordability and we were encouraged to apply for the 2 grant proposals currently under review. You will recall that we've already won a grant for our smart grid project. Pursuing these grants means cost effective grid reliability and resiliency improvements for our customers. The investments we make to improve the grid and deliver reliable electricity to our customers must be made with a non affordability. Speaker 200:07:31To that end, today, we are reducing the fuel factor again in Oklahoma. This reduction will result in lower customer bills this summer of approximately $25 per month for the average residential customer when compared to last summer. In Oklahoma, our rate review is well underway. This review is straightforward and is driven by our request to recover investments we've made over the last 2 years in the grid, new customer connections and storm restorations. These investments like the grid enhancement are delivering improved reliability and resiliency for our customers. Speaker 200:08:09Earlier this year, as much of the country called for conservation and experienced outages during winter storms Jerry and Heather, our systems ran and our generation fleet performed extremely well with no need to call for conservation. Late last week, we received responsive testimony in the Oklahoma rate review. As you know, this is one part of the overall rate review and we appreciate the transparent and public process the Oklahoma Corporation Commission provides. We will file our rebuttal testimony later this month and the public hearing is scheduled for June and we expect new rates to be effective July 1. All of this is to say, the net impact of this rate review, including our back to back fuel increases decreases is that customer rates will be lower this year than they were last summer. Speaker 200:08:56And in Arkansas, the 1.4% increase we implemented on April 1 associated with our final formula rate plan update was more than offset by the reduction we made to our fuel factor on the same day, which resulted in a $23.51 reduction for the average Arkansas residential customers monthly bill when compared to last year. Constructive regulatory outcomes enable us to support community growth, serve customers and achieve results for our shareholders. In closing, I hope you hear how bullish we are on our company and our future. The case for investment in OGE Energy is strong, thanks to our sustainable business model, beginning with fantastic fundamentals with already low rates and now even lower rates, a thriving service area, a high quality balance sheet and credit metrics, an economic development engine that drives customer and load growth and operational excellence delivered by an incredible team dedicated to reaching our North Star. So with that, I'll turn the call over to Brian. Speaker 200:10:00Brian? Speaker 300:10:01Thank you, Sean. Thank you, Jason, and good morning, everyone. Let's start on Slide 7 and discuss Q1 2024 results. On a consolidated basis, 1st quarter net income was $19,000,000 or $0.09 per diluted share compared to $38,000,000 or $0.19 per share in the same period 2023. In our core business, the electric company achieved net income of 25,000,000 dollars or $0.12 per diluted share compared to $40,000,000 or $0.20 per share in the same period 2023. Speaker 300:10:31As expected, electric company net income decreased primarily due to higher depreciation and interest expense related to our customer centric capital investments made over the last 2 years. This significant regulatory lag is the primary area being addressed in our current rate relief filing in Oklahoma. The decrease in net income was partially offset by higher operating revenues from strong load growth. Stepping back Speaker 200:10:58a moment, Speaker 300:11:00the benefits to our customers from the investments we make to serve our growing service area are immense, ranging from reliability and resiliency improvements to increased capacity for economic development. In fact, the low growth we have seen since our last rate case allowed us to reduce the revenue request in our Oklahoma rate case by approximately $70,000,000 To round off our discussion of Q1 consolidated results, other operations, including our holding company reported a loss of $7,000,000 or $0.03 per diluted share in the Q1 compared to a loss of $2,000,000 or a penny per share in the same period 2023. The increase in net loss was primarily due to higher interest expense on increased short term debt. Regarding full year EPS expectations, our exceptional low trends have made up for the mild weather in Q1 that impacted results by approximately $0.03 Therefore, overall, our year to date results are right online with our expectations and we are firmly on plan to deliver our consolidated earnings for 2024 of $2.12 within a range of $2.06 to $2.18 per share. Let's move to Slide 8 for a deeper look at load results. Speaker 300:12:12Our customer count grew at a rate of 1.1% and that coupled with strong economic expansion in Oklahoma and Arkansas resulted in weather normalized load growth of 4.8% compared to Q1 of 2023. Residential load growth for the quarter of 3.9% is the strongest quarterly expansion we have seen since the pandemic. And commercial sector growth of 12% continues the trends we've seen in this customer class over the last couple of years. Certainly, the residential and commercial sectors benefited the most from the vibrant nature of the economies in Oklahoma and Arkansas. But it does not stop there. Speaker 300:12:50Our other three customer sectors of industrial, oilfield and public authority all achieved weather normal load results better than what was budgeted for the Q1. Sean mentioned Oklahoma City, our hometown as having one of the hottest job markets in the country. Economic and business development efforts enhanced by our low rates are facilitating new businesses locating to our service area and existing customers expanding their businesses. The potential for continued outstanding load growth for many more years, including from data centers is compelling underscoring the dynamic economic landscapes in which we operate. All of this is our sustainable business model in action, attracting new customers with low rates and spreading costs across a larger customer and load base with an aim to maintain some of the lowest rates in the country. Speaker 300:13:39Let's wrap up on Slide 9 with an update on our financing plan for the remainder of the year. As discussed during our last call, in the Q2, we plan to issue up to $350,000,000 at the HoldCo to term out short term debt and at the utility, we plan to issue $300,000,000 to $350,000,000 in the latter half of the year. Our current capital plan requires no external equity to maintain our estimated credit metric of 17% FFO to debt each year of the 5 year plan. It is worth noting that Moody's recently reaffirmed our credit ratings and stable outlook as shown on Slide 14. On a procedural note, it's hard to believe I've already been at OG and E for over 3 years now. Speaker 300:14:18And I recall telling you during my 1st year that we would be filing a routine S-three update. Well, it's that time again and this month we will update our standard S-three shelf registration with the SEC, which allows our continued access to the public capital markets. Before we turn the call over for Q and A, let me recap today's message. 1st quarter financial results are right on plan and set us up well to deliver on our earnings guidance for the full year. We remain confident in our ability to achieve our long term earnings per share growth guidance of 5% to 7%. Speaker 300:14:52And business fundamentals are strong with a solid balance sheet, constructive regulatory environments, robust load growth and the steadfast dedication of our team members. That concludes our prepared remarks and we will now open the line for your questions. Speaker 400:15:07Thank Operator00:15:14you. Speaker 400:15:50Taking the questions today. Speaker 300:15:51Yes, good morning, Constantine. Yes, good morning, Constantine. Speaker 400:15:56Great quarter, great quarter. Can you elaborate on the cadence of updates related to the RFPs kind of just the timeframe that you're maybe looking at kind of and how those updates would be layered to the CapEx plan over time? Are we waiting kind of for next year? And do you kind of seek to pre fund those in your financing plan once you get clarity from the outcome? Speaker 200:16:19Yes. Great question, Konstantin. And it's going to mirror very similar to what happened the last time, the last IRP. We're intentionally making sure that we dot the I's and cross the T's and following all the commission processes. So we'll issue this draft RFP 30 days after and we'll have some stakeholder discussions. Speaker 200:16:4330 days after that, we'll issue the final one. Probably later in the year, we'll have all the bids back and have arrived at a decision probably in the Q4. We will file that with the commission for approval just like we did last time. Once we get approval for our recommendations, then we'll layer that into our tables and discuss kind of timing and how we'll fund that, okay? Speaker 400:17:12Okay, perfect. Speaker 200:17:13This is look, we're anxious to get started, but this is a process and we're going to follow the process. Speaker 400:17:20No, absolutely. That's abundantly clear. And maybe quickly touching on your load growth and expectations, you noted it's trailing towards high end. And do you have enough visibility to extend that strength into 2025? And how do you think that impacts your planning assumptions beyond 2024 in general? Speaker 200:17:39You want to cover that Brian? Sure, sure. Speaker 300:17:42You can probably tell from our comments Constantine that we're really bullish on load growth prospects. So certainly I think there's some upside to our load projections here in 2024, but also in each year of our 5 year plan. For OG and E and really for Oklahoma, we bring several competitive advantages. First is our low rates and we have pockets of ample transmission capacity. In our state there's abundant and affordable land, tremendous access to renewables and natural gas. Speaker 300:18:18And those are all really the drivers that have kick started load growth over the last 3 years. So we've got a great track record on that and we think there's quite a bit of upside to the load numbers in 2025 and beyond. I think I mentioned in the last call, we expect it to be at least 2% in 2025 and out in some of those out years and there's certainly some upside to those as well. Okay. Speaker 400:18:44And does that low growth potentially help you defer some of the future rate cases as you're thinking about them? Or the, I guess, new capital plan just require more serial filing? Speaker 200:18:59Yes. I think the benefit of that load growth and that customer growth Brian was talking about is, it's certainly going to create headroom and create a tailwind for us to make additional investments and maintain that competitive advantage we have with rates. Speaker 400:19:23Okay. Thanks. I'll jump back in the queue. Appreciate the questions today. Speaker 200:19:29Thanks Constantine. Thank you. Operator00:19:43The next question comes from Durgesh Chopra with Evercore ISI. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:19:51Hey, team. Good morning. Thank you for giving me time. Hi, good Speaker 200:19:54morning. Good Speaker 500:19:55morning. Hey, good morning. Just maybe can you help us out with if there's a way to think about the EPS sensitivity from load growth? So obviously, this is a very strong trend, right? You're at the high end of the 2% to 5% this year. Speaker 500:20:11But how should we think about earnings implications for maybe a percentage change in low growth something along those lines? Speaker 300:20:20Hey, Durgesh, this is Brian. It gets nuance I guess between customer classes when you talk about these rules of thumb. But I'll tell you for this year we were expecting load growth to benefit earnings by around $0.12 of EPS. That was around a midpoint of around 4% load growth. So you can maybe back into some high level math with that. Speaker 300:20:50With our trends here in the Q1, we think that's going to be benefit us. What I mentioned in my comments is weather was negative $0.03 in the Q1 and we think our load growth trends we're already seeing this year are going to make up for that. So I'll just tell you, we think we're going to be $0.03 to the good for that incremental load growth here in 2024. Speaker 500:21:14That's excellent, Brian. That's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. And then maybe just your strategy around, if you can, to the extent talk about the formulaic rate plan in Arkansas. Obviously, you have a settlement there, but as I understand, it's going to expire here soon. Speaker 500:21:30So maybe what's the plan there? Is it a rate case or is it an extension or a combination of both? Speaker 200:21:37Yes. Durgesh, that's exactly what we're required to do. We'll go back in for a rate filing, a rate case in Arkansas and reinstitute the 5 year formula rate plan. And so we're putting that plan together right now when and we'll let you know when we get ready to file it. Speaker 500:21:59Got it. So is it Sean, thank you. Is it that you have to file a rate case? Or can you seek extension under a separate process? Speaker 200:22:09No, you need to file the rate case. You need to file the rate case. There needs to be a rate review. Speaker 500:22:15Perfect. Thank you so much. Appreciate the time. Speaker 200:22:18Have a great day. Operator00:22:33And the next question comes from Paul Fremont at Ladenburg Thalmann and Co Incorporated. Your line is now live. Speaker 600:22:43Thank you. Congratulations on a strong start. I was wondering since, testimony, initial testimony has come in already, what your thoughts are on, the possibility of a settlement? And in Oklahoma, do you need to have a unanimous settlement? Or do you think you can do partial settlements? Speaker 200:23:09Yes. So Paul, this is Sean. Good to hear from you this morning. In Oklahoma, we've had non unanimous settlements previously. We've had some parties that just have agreed not to contest the settlement. Speaker 200:23:28You're asking me how I feel. I never like reading intervene or testimony, but nevertheless, we have a very solid case out there and we feel good about it. We'll begin having discussions once we file our rebuttal testimony and we'll go from there. I think there are a number of parties that would like or be engaged in a settlement process. I think the commission would prefer to see a settlement. Speaker 200:23:57But if you can't get there and you need to go another way, we're prepared to do that as well. Speaker 600:24:05Great. And then, I guess my other question has to do with sort of the commercial load growth that you guys experienced. How much of that is data center or AI driven? Speaker 200:24:19Brian, you want to do Speaker 300:24:20that one? Sure. Sure. Good morning, Paul. And on the commercial front, what we've seen in the last couple of years is the majority of the load growth has come from kind of cryptocurrency data mining companies. Speaker 300:24:33We're seeing that shift a bit Paul to even those companies that have been doing cryptocurrency mining historically are now pivoting their business models prospectively. They're still going to do some of the data mining, but they're shifting their business models more to traditional I guess you would call it traditional data center work around generative AI for example hosting those types of servers. A lot of our interest a lot of the interest in our service territory currently for future years is data centers. But as we've spoken to before, we're seeing broad industries being interested in our service area whether it's the defense industry, food and beverage distribution. Western Arkansas is really more of your traditional manufacturing, some of the big names that you've been seeing in your whole life. Speaker 300:25:31So it's exciting time. But to answer your question directly, we have seen quite a bit of cryptocurrency load growth. That's about 1.5% of our margins as we sit here today. Speaker 600:25:45And then that was sort of the second part of my question was going to be on margins. I mean, should we think of margins on the data centers as being more like industrial or sort of traditional commercial type margins? Speaker 300:26:00I would think of them as being your very some of your very largest loads tariffs which feel more like some of your industrial groups you're thinking of Paul. So typically some of the lowest margin customers. And in fact with some of these they do improve over time as incentives roll off. But it's definitely a lot of load for at least initially some pretty low margins. Speaker 600:26:30And then sort of last question, you talked about sort of 2 categories. Can you give us like a percentage maybe idea? I mean, is it like 80% data centers and 20% of the more sort of traditional or just within the commercial category, how much is being driven by sort of data centers and crypto miners? Speaker 300:26:55Yes. So I don't know if we've given that percentage, but it is the majority. Think of it maybe more like 2 thirds maybe a bit more than that being your cryptocurrency again it's shifting it will be shifting more and more to data centers as we move. Speaker 600:27:12That's it for me. Thank you so much. Speaker 300:27:14All right. Thank you, Paul. Operator00:27:18One moment for the next question. And the next question comes from Nicholas Campanella with Barclays. Nicholas, your line is now open. Speaker 700:27:36Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question and for all the information today. Speaker 200:27:41Good morning, Nick. Good morning. Speaker 700:27:44So I just wanted to follow-up on one of Constantine's questions. And Brian, I know you brought up in your prepared remarks, you just got your updated outlook from the agencies. Just as you kind of layer in these RFPs to your capital plan, if they do result in you winning some generation or some type of ownership opportunity. Just how do we kind of think about the balance sheet capacity at this point relative to your FFO minimums and the incremental financing needs? Or is this just really is this capital going to replace other capital in the 5 year plan to the extent that materializes? Speaker 200:28:22Yes. Nick, this is Sean. Like I mentioned, we're probably going to have a decision sometime next year from the commission in terms of approval for those generation items that we would own. And then we'll layer that in there. And I think we'll see where things stand when we get there, right? Speaker 200:28:46I think it's the best way. I mean, if load continues to grow like it is, obviously, you've got a little more room in your coverage ratios. We're protective of the balance sheet. That's very important to us. But how we fund it and what regulatory compact we arrive at to recover that, those all play into that. Speaker 200:29:06So I think it's a bit premature not knowing exactly what's going to come out of the RFPs and what that regulatory compact would look like. Speaker 700:29:18Okay. I appreciate it. Speaker 200:29:19All right. Speaker 700:29:20And then I guess just on the storm that you brought up also just can you just remind us I believe you have kind of deferrals for storms in place in your territories, but can you remind us there? Speaker 300:29:33Hey, Nick, we sure do. There's a tracking mechanism for storm costs in Oklahoma. So the first 3,000,000 dollars of cost on an annual period go to expense and then the remainder on O and M goes into that tracker. Speaker 700:29:52Okay. Thank you. Have a great day. Speaker 200:29:54See you, Nick. Take care, Nick. Operator00:30:21The next question comes from Anthony Clougwell at the Mizuho Group. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:30:29Hey, good morning, guys. Brian, congrats on a wonderful 3 years. Speaker 200:30:36Good morning, Anthony. Speaker 800:30:41I know, I know. Well, hey, you never know. Don't be so negative. The day is not over yet. Just two housekeeping items. Speaker 800:30:54On the financing slide, you talked about an issuance at the HoldCo and an issuance at the OpCo. Just is the has the company will the company provide any clarity on what the interest rate you're assuming on those offerings? Speaker 300:31:10Yes. Anthony, it's a good question. We had assumed kind of in that mid-5s area for debt issuances. So at the Holdco, it's as you've seen the recent bond deals is probably a tick higher than that. But markets are dynamic. Speaker 300:31:33We'll see how they end up. But we're in a general area with our expectations sitting here today compared to where they were before. It may be a tick higher under current market conditions. But I'd say our CP and our short term debt rates have been kind of spot on. We built some conservatism into the plan and thank goodness we did. Speaker 300:31:56We feel like we're in great shape. And let me just add to that. While interest expense maybe a tick higher, we're seeing as I mentioned before some really exceptional load growth. And so we're right on plan and feel really good about the full year projection. Speaker 800:32:14Great. And then just on low growth, just a quick question, more on the residential. Customer growth 1.1%, residential load growth much higher at 3.9%. Just I'm curious what the drivers are for that residential growth number? Speaker 300:32:31Yes. It kind of ebbs and flows a bit as you know Anthony. Last year we had flattish maybe just ever so slightly negative on the residential growth despite having good customer growth numbers. And certainly we've we had a very large rate reduction in November in our fuel filing, expect to have maybe a slightly a slight reduction again to the fuel tractor again here in May. And I think that just helps. Speaker 300:33:04When you have low rates and the economy is good locally, we have low unemployment. The job market is really good here in Oklahoma. I think that really helps the residential class do well. But this is 1 quarter, we'll see how second quarter looks and hopefully that trend continues for a bit. Speaker 800:33:22Great. Thanks so much for taking the questions. Speaker 200:33:25Thanks, Anthony. Operator00:33:30I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call over to Sean Trotsky, Chairman, President and CEO for closing remarks. Speaker 200:33:40Thank you, Liz, and thank you all for joining us today. Thank you for your interest in our company and for being on the call today. Please have a wonderful day. Take care. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the OGE Energy Corp. 20 24 First Quarter Earnings and Business Update Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:37I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Jason Bailey, Director of Investor Relations, for opening comments. Jason, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:49Thank you, Liz, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to our call. With me today, I have Sean Trotski, our Chairman, President and CEO and Brian Buckler, our CFO. In terms of the call today, we will first hear from Sean, followed by an explanation from Brian of financial results. And finally, as always, we will answer your questions. I would like to remind you that this conference is being webcast and you may follow along at oge.com. Speaker 100:01:17In addition, the conference call and accompanying slides will be archived following the call on that same website. Before we begin the presentation, I'd like to direct your attention to the Safe Harbor statement regarding forward looking statements. This is an SEC requirement for financial statements and simply states that we cannot guarantee forward looking financial results, but this is our best estimate to date. I will now turn the call over to Speaker 200:01:43Sean for his opening remarks. Sean? Thank you, Jason. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. Speaker 200:01:51It's certainly great to be with you. The Q1 of the year delivered solid results and we are firmly on plan for the year. This morning, we reported consolidated earnings of $0.09 per share, including $0.12 per share for OG and E and a holding company loss of 0 point expected earnings per share for the year and we are on plan even with the milder weather. I'm excited for this year and beyond given the strong fundamentals of our business, our outstanding team and our commitment to reach our North Star, delivering safe, reliable and affordable electric service to our 900,000 customers. Last quarter, I updated you on recognition the company and our team received for our culture. Speaker 200:02:38And today, I can add another one to that list. In addition to being named a top workplace in Oklahoma, we were recently named a national top workplace by USA Today. We operate in a highly competitive labor market and it is fulfilling to see our people and culture drive results, innovation and a sense of belonging. I couldn't be more proud to work alongside my 2,300 colleagues. Their commitment to our purpose runs deep and together we are driven to achieve excellence. Speaker 200:03:10Our people's dedication to the communities we support is unwavering. Last Saturday night, at least 25 tornadoes were spotted in Oklahoma, accompanied by high winds, lightning and hail. You've likely seen the news footage of the devastation and heard about the tragic loss of life in a number of towns in Southern Oklahoma. Since Saturday night, our team has worked around the clock to restore power to every customer who could take power. It will take months and perhaps years for those communities to recover and we'll be right alongside our neighbors throughout the rebuilding process. Speaker 200:03:45As we keep these communities front of mind, let's transition to our business this morning. Today, I want to touch on 3 topics: operational excellence for customers, activity on the regulatory front and a preview for the rest of the year. Looking at operations, our grid and weather hardening investments continue to deliver great reliability results. Customers are experiencing fewer and shorter outages as a result of technology platforms and applications that improve communication between devices and automatically reroute power in the event of an outage. We continue to harden the grid by strengthening and replacing poles and restoring structures. Speaker 200:04:26And when we look at the circuits, we've hardened through our grid enhancement program, safety for those circuits has improved 28% since 2020. On the generation front, our power plant operations continue to supplying the grid with electricity to serve our customers. We completed our latest IRP at the end of March, identifying a 5 year plan to address generation capacity needs through 2028. The IRP determined that a combination of solar and CTs are the best choice to meet the identified needs. Shortly, we will issue draft RFPs per the commission rules and then 30 days after that we'll issue the final RFPs and we'll keep you posted as we move along this process. Speaker 200:05:11We are reviewing the final EPA rules released last Thursday to better understand how they may impact our current and future generation plans. Timing for full implementation is uncertain as the rules will likely be challenged in the courts. Together, the investments we make in Generation and wires support the growing communities in our service area. Last month, The Wall Street Journal ranked our hometown of Oklahoma City as the 5th hottest job market in the country due in large part to our low cost of living, of which OG and E is a significant part. And just this week, Forbes ranked Oklahoma City the 2nd best place for small business in the country. Speaker 200:05:53We see growth across a broad set of industries, including healthcare, tribal enterprises, military, housing and data centers. Speaking of data centers, we're excited about the high interest our service area garners for data center locations given that our competitive rates make us an attractive option. We are in discussion with a half dozen or so projects in various stages of development and we will continue to update you as we make progress on that front. For the Q1, both load growth and customer growth were exceptional and set a strong pace for the remainder of the year, and Brian will share more of those details shortly. Yesterday, the U. Speaker 200:06:33S. Department of Energy's Office of Clean Energy Demonstrations awarded the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma an ERA grant to improve resilience in Poteau, Oklahoma. OG and E will support the grant by creating a micro grid to serve 7 buildings on their campus, including a health clinic, child development center and food distribution center. We congratulate our partner, the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma for securing 1 of 19 grants in the U. S. Speaker 200:07:00That will benefit their members and the community at large. We are active in pursuing additional grants to further support affordability and we were encouraged to apply for the 2 grant proposals currently under review. You will recall that we've already won a grant for our smart grid project. Pursuing these grants means cost effective grid reliability and resiliency improvements for our customers. The investments we make to improve the grid and deliver reliable electricity to our customers must be made with a non affordability. Speaker 200:07:31To that end, today, we are reducing the fuel factor again in Oklahoma. This reduction will result in lower customer bills this summer of approximately $25 per month for the average residential customer when compared to last summer. In Oklahoma, our rate review is well underway. This review is straightforward and is driven by our request to recover investments we've made over the last 2 years in the grid, new customer connections and storm restorations. These investments like the grid enhancement are delivering improved reliability and resiliency for our customers. Speaker 200:08:09Earlier this year, as much of the country called for conservation and experienced outages during winter storms Jerry and Heather, our systems ran and our generation fleet performed extremely well with no need to call for conservation. Late last week, we received responsive testimony in the Oklahoma rate review. As you know, this is one part of the overall rate review and we appreciate the transparent and public process the Oklahoma Corporation Commission provides. We will file our rebuttal testimony later this month and the public hearing is scheduled for June and we expect new rates to be effective July 1. All of this is to say, the net impact of this rate review, including our back to back fuel increases decreases is that customer rates will be lower this year than they were last summer. Speaker 200:08:56And in Arkansas, the 1.4% increase we implemented on April 1 associated with our final formula rate plan update was more than offset by the reduction we made to our fuel factor on the same day, which resulted in a $23.51 reduction for the average Arkansas residential customers monthly bill when compared to last year. Constructive regulatory outcomes enable us to support community growth, serve customers and achieve results for our shareholders. In closing, I hope you hear how bullish we are on our company and our future. The case for investment in OGE Energy is strong, thanks to our sustainable business model, beginning with fantastic fundamentals with already low rates and now even lower rates, a thriving service area, a high quality balance sheet and credit metrics, an economic development engine that drives customer and load growth and operational excellence delivered by an incredible team dedicated to reaching our North Star. So with that, I'll turn the call over to Brian. Speaker 200:10:00Brian? Speaker 300:10:01Thank you, Sean. Thank you, Jason, and good morning, everyone. Let's start on Slide 7 and discuss Q1 2024 results. On a consolidated basis, 1st quarter net income was $19,000,000 or $0.09 per diluted share compared to $38,000,000 or $0.19 per share in the same period 2023. In our core business, the electric company achieved net income of 25,000,000 dollars or $0.12 per diluted share compared to $40,000,000 or $0.20 per share in the same period 2023. Speaker 300:10:31As expected, electric company net income decreased primarily due to higher depreciation and interest expense related to our customer centric capital investments made over the last 2 years. This significant regulatory lag is the primary area being addressed in our current rate relief filing in Oklahoma. The decrease in net income was partially offset by higher operating revenues from strong load growth. Stepping back Speaker 200:10:58a moment, Speaker 300:11:00the benefits to our customers from the investments we make to serve our growing service area are immense, ranging from reliability and resiliency improvements to increased capacity for economic development. In fact, the low growth we have seen since our last rate case allowed us to reduce the revenue request in our Oklahoma rate case by approximately $70,000,000 To round off our discussion of Q1 consolidated results, other operations, including our holding company reported a loss of $7,000,000 or $0.03 per diluted share in the Q1 compared to a loss of $2,000,000 or a penny per share in the same period 2023. The increase in net loss was primarily due to higher interest expense on increased short term debt. Regarding full year EPS expectations, our exceptional low trends have made up for the mild weather in Q1 that impacted results by approximately $0.03 Therefore, overall, our year to date results are right online with our expectations and we are firmly on plan to deliver our consolidated earnings for 2024 of $2.12 within a range of $2.06 to $2.18 per share. Let's move to Slide 8 for a deeper look at load results. Speaker 300:12:12Our customer count grew at a rate of 1.1% and that coupled with strong economic expansion in Oklahoma and Arkansas resulted in weather normalized load growth of 4.8% compared to Q1 of 2023. Residential load growth for the quarter of 3.9% is the strongest quarterly expansion we have seen since the pandemic. And commercial sector growth of 12% continues the trends we've seen in this customer class over the last couple of years. Certainly, the residential and commercial sectors benefited the most from the vibrant nature of the economies in Oklahoma and Arkansas. But it does not stop there. Speaker 300:12:50Our other three customer sectors of industrial, oilfield and public authority all achieved weather normal load results better than what was budgeted for the Q1. Sean mentioned Oklahoma City, our hometown as having one of the hottest job markets in the country. Economic and business development efforts enhanced by our low rates are facilitating new businesses locating to our service area and existing customers expanding their businesses. The potential for continued outstanding load growth for many more years, including from data centers is compelling underscoring the dynamic economic landscapes in which we operate. All of this is our sustainable business model in action, attracting new customers with low rates and spreading costs across a larger customer and load base with an aim to maintain some of the lowest rates in the country. Speaker 300:13:39Let's wrap up on Slide 9 with an update on our financing plan for the remainder of the year. As discussed during our last call, in the Q2, we plan to issue up to $350,000,000 at the HoldCo to term out short term debt and at the utility, we plan to issue $300,000,000 to $350,000,000 in the latter half of the year. Our current capital plan requires no external equity to maintain our estimated credit metric of 17% FFO to debt each year of the 5 year plan. It is worth noting that Moody's recently reaffirmed our credit ratings and stable outlook as shown on Slide 14. On a procedural note, it's hard to believe I've already been at OG and E for over 3 years now. Speaker 300:14:18And I recall telling you during my 1st year that we would be filing a routine S-three update. Well, it's that time again and this month we will update our standard S-three shelf registration with the SEC, which allows our continued access to the public capital markets. Before we turn the call over for Q and A, let me recap today's message. 1st quarter financial results are right on plan and set us up well to deliver on our earnings guidance for the full year. We remain confident in our ability to achieve our long term earnings per share growth guidance of 5% to 7%. Speaker 300:14:52And business fundamentals are strong with a solid balance sheet, constructive regulatory environments, robust load growth and the steadfast dedication of our team members. That concludes our prepared remarks and we will now open the line for your questions. Speaker 400:15:07Thank Operator00:15:14you. Speaker 400:15:50Taking the questions today. Speaker 300:15:51Yes, good morning, Constantine. Yes, good morning, Constantine. Speaker 400:15:56Great quarter, great quarter. Can you elaborate on the cadence of updates related to the RFPs kind of just the timeframe that you're maybe looking at kind of and how those updates would be layered to the CapEx plan over time? Are we waiting kind of for next year? And do you kind of seek to pre fund those in your financing plan once you get clarity from the outcome? Speaker 200:16:19Yes. Great question, Konstantin. And it's going to mirror very similar to what happened the last time, the last IRP. We're intentionally making sure that we dot the I's and cross the T's and following all the commission processes. So we'll issue this draft RFP 30 days after and we'll have some stakeholder discussions. Speaker 200:16:4330 days after that, we'll issue the final one. Probably later in the year, we'll have all the bids back and have arrived at a decision probably in the Q4. We will file that with the commission for approval just like we did last time. Once we get approval for our recommendations, then we'll layer that into our tables and discuss kind of timing and how we'll fund that, okay? Speaker 400:17:12Okay, perfect. Speaker 200:17:13This is look, we're anxious to get started, but this is a process and we're going to follow the process. Speaker 400:17:20No, absolutely. That's abundantly clear. And maybe quickly touching on your load growth and expectations, you noted it's trailing towards high end. And do you have enough visibility to extend that strength into 2025? And how do you think that impacts your planning assumptions beyond 2024 in general? Speaker 200:17:39You want to cover that Brian? Sure, sure. Speaker 300:17:42You can probably tell from our comments Constantine that we're really bullish on load growth prospects. So certainly I think there's some upside to our load projections here in 2024, but also in each year of our 5 year plan. For OG and E and really for Oklahoma, we bring several competitive advantages. First is our low rates and we have pockets of ample transmission capacity. In our state there's abundant and affordable land, tremendous access to renewables and natural gas. Speaker 300:18:18And those are all really the drivers that have kick started load growth over the last 3 years. So we've got a great track record on that and we think there's quite a bit of upside to the load numbers in 2025 and beyond. I think I mentioned in the last call, we expect it to be at least 2% in 2025 and out in some of those out years and there's certainly some upside to those as well. Okay. Speaker 400:18:44And does that low growth potentially help you defer some of the future rate cases as you're thinking about them? Or the, I guess, new capital plan just require more serial filing? Speaker 200:18:59Yes. I think the benefit of that load growth and that customer growth Brian was talking about is, it's certainly going to create headroom and create a tailwind for us to make additional investments and maintain that competitive advantage we have with rates. Speaker 400:19:23Okay. Thanks. I'll jump back in the queue. Appreciate the questions today. Speaker 200:19:29Thanks Constantine. Thank you. Operator00:19:43The next question comes from Durgesh Chopra with Evercore ISI. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:19:51Hey, team. Good morning. Thank you for giving me time. Hi, good Speaker 200:19:54morning. Good Speaker 500:19:55morning. Hey, good morning. Just maybe can you help us out with if there's a way to think about the EPS sensitivity from load growth? So obviously, this is a very strong trend, right? You're at the high end of the 2% to 5% this year. Speaker 500:20:11But how should we think about earnings implications for maybe a percentage change in low growth something along those lines? Speaker 300:20:20Hey, Durgesh, this is Brian. It gets nuance I guess between customer classes when you talk about these rules of thumb. But I'll tell you for this year we were expecting load growth to benefit earnings by around $0.12 of EPS. That was around a midpoint of around 4% load growth. So you can maybe back into some high level math with that. Speaker 300:20:50With our trends here in the Q1, we think that's going to be benefit us. What I mentioned in my comments is weather was negative $0.03 in the Q1 and we think our load growth trends we're already seeing this year are going to make up for that. So I'll just tell you, we think we're going to be $0.03 to the good for that incremental load growth here in 2024. Speaker 500:21:14That's excellent, Brian. That's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. And then maybe just your strategy around, if you can, to the extent talk about the formulaic rate plan in Arkansas. Obviously, you have a settlement there, but as I understand, it's going to expire here soon. Speaker 500:21:30So maybe what's the plan there? Is it a rate case or is it an extension or a combination of both? Speaker 200:21:37Yes. Durgesh, that's exactly what we're required to do. We'll go back in for a rate filing, a rate case in Arkansas and reinstitute the 5 year formula rate plan. And so we're putting that plan together right now when and we'll let you know when we get ready to file it. Speaker 500:21:59Got it. So is it Sean, thank you. Is it that you have to file a rate case? Or can you seek extension under a separate process? Speaker 200:22:09No, you need to file the rate case. You need to file the rate case. There needs to be a rate review. Speaker 500:22:15Perfect. Thank you so much. Appreciate the time. Speaker 200:22:18Have a great day. Operator00:22:33And the next question comes from Paul Fremont at Ladenburg Thalmann and Co Incorporated. Your line is now live. Speaker 600:22:43Thank you. Congratulations on a strong start. I was wondering since, testimony, initial testimony has come in already, what your thoughts are on, the possibility of a settlement? And in Oklahoma, do you need to have a unanimous settlement? Or do you think you can do partial settlements? Speaker 200:23:09Yes. So Paul, this is Sean. Good to hear from you this morning. In Oklahoma, we've had non unanimous settlements previously. We've had some parties that just have agreed not to contest the settlement. Speaker 200:23:28You're asking me how I feel. I never like reading intervene or testimony, but nevertheless, we have a very solid case out there and we feel good about it. We'll begin having discussions once we file our rebuttal testimony and we'll go from there. I think there are a number of parties that would like or be engaged in a settlement process. I think the commission would prefer to see a settlement. Speaker 200:23:57But if you can't get there and you need to go another way, we're prepared to do that as well. Speaker 600:24:05Great. And then, I guess my other question has to do with sort of the commercial load growth that you guys experienced. How much of that is data center or AI driven? Speaker 200:24:19Brian, you want to do Speaker 300:24:20that one? Sure. Sure. Good morning, Paul. And on the commercial front, what we've seen in the last couple of years is the majority of the load growth has come from kind of cryptocurrency data mining companies. Speaker 300:24:33We're seeing that shift a bit Paul to even those companies that have been doing cryptocurrency mining historically are now pivoting their business models prospectively. They're still going to do some of the data mining, but they're shifting their business models more to traditional I guess you would call it traditional data center work around generative AI for example hosting those types of servers. A lot of our interest a lot of the interest in our service territory currently for future years is data centers. But as we've spoken to before, we're seeing broad industries being interested in our service area whether it's the defense industry, food and beverage distribution. Western Arkansas is really more of your traditional manufacturing, some of the big names that you've been seeing in your whole life. Speaker 300:25:31So it's exciting time. But to answer your question directly, we have seen quite a bit of cryptocurrency load growth. That's about 1.5% of our margins as we sit here today. Speaker 600:25:45And then that was sort of the second part of my question was going to be on margins. I mean, should we think of margins on the data centers as being more like industrial or sort of traditional commercial type margins? Speaker 300:26:00I would think of them as being your very some of your very largest loads tariffs which feel more like some of your industrial groups you're thinking of Paul. So typically some of the lowest margin customers. And in fact with some of these they do improve over time as incentives roll off. But it's definitely a lot of load for at least initially some pretty low margins. Speaker 600:26:30And then sort of last question, you talked about sort of 2 categories. Can you give us like a percentage maybe idea? I mean, is it like 80% data centers and 20% of the more sort of traditional or just within the commercial category, how much is being driven by sort of data centers and crypto miners? Speaker 300:26:55Yes. So I don't know if we've given that percentage, but it is the majority. Think of it maybe more like 2 thirds maybe a bit more than that being your cryptocurrency again it's shifting it will be shifting more and more to data centers as we move. Speaker 600:27:12That's it for me. Thank you so much. Speaker 300:27:14All right. Thank you, Paul. Operator00:27:18One moment for the next question. And the next question comes from Nicholas Campanella with Barclays. Nicholas, your line is now open. Speaker 700:27:36Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question and for all the information today. Speaker 200:27:41Good morning, Nick. Good morning. Speaker 700:27:44So I just wanted to follow-up on one of Constantine's questions. And Brian, I know you brought up in your prepared remarks, you just got your updated outlook from the agencies. Just as you kind of layer in these RFPs to your capital plan, if they do result in you winning some generation or some type of ownership opportunity. Just how do we kind of think about the balance sheet capacity at this point relative to your FFO minimums and the incremental financing needs? Or is this just really is this capital going to replace other capital in the 5 year plan to the extent that materializes? Speaker 200:28:22Yes. Nick, this is Sean. Like I mentioned, we're probably going to have a decision sometime next year from the commission in terms of approval for those generation items that we would own. And then we'll layer that in there. And I think we'll see where things stand when we get there, right? Speaker 200:28:46I think it's the best way. I mean, if load continues to grow like it is, obviously, you've got a little more room in your coverage ratios. We're protective of the balance sheet. That's very important to us. But how we fund it and what regulatory compact we arrive at to recover that, those all play into that. Speaker 200:29:06So I think it's a bit premature not knowing exactly what's going to come out of the RFPs and what that regulatory compact would look like. Speaker 700:29:18Okay. I appreciate it. Speaker 200:29:19All right. Speaker 700:29:20And then I guess just on the storm that you brought up also just can you just remind us I believe you have kind of deferrals for storms in place in your territories, but can you remind us there? Speaker 300:29:33Hey, Nick, we sure do. There's a tracking mechanism for storm costs in Oklahoma. So the first 3,000,000 dollars of cost on an annual period go to expense and then the remainder on O and M goes into that tracker. Speaker 700:29:52Okay. Thank you. Have a great day. Speaker 200:29:54See you, Nick. Take care, Nick. Operator00:30:21The next question comes from Anthony Clougwell at the Mizuho Group. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:30:29Hey, good morning, guys. Brian, congrats on a wonderful 3 years. Speaker 200:30:36Good morning, Anthony. Speaker 800:30:41I know, I know. Well, hey, you never know. Don't be so negative. The day is not over yet. Just two housekeeping items. Speaker 800:30:54On the financing slide, you talked about an issuance at the HoldCo and an issuance at the OpCo. Just is the has the company will the company provide any clarity on what the interest rate you're assuming on those offerings? Speaker 300:31:10Yes. Anthony, it's a good question. We had assumed kind of in that mid-5s area for debt issuances. So at the Holdco, it's as you've seen the recent bond deals is probably a tick higher than that. But markets are dynamic. Speaker 300:31:33We'll see how they end up. But we're in a general area with our expectations sitting here today compared to where they were before. It may be a tick higher under current market conditions. But I'd say our CP and our short term debt rates have been kind of spot on. We built some conservatism into the plan and thank goodness we did. Speaker 300:31:56We feel like we're in great shape. And let me just add to that. While interest expense maybe a tick higher, we're seeing as I mentioned before some really exceptional load growth. And so we're right on plan and feel really good about the full year projection. Speaker 800:32:14Great. And then just on low growth, just a quick question, more on the residential. Customer growth 1.1%, residential load growth much higher at 3.9%. Just I'm curious what the drivers are for that residential growth number? Speaker 300:32:31Yes. It kind of ebbs and flows a bit as you know Anthony. Last year we had flattish maybe just ever so slightly negative on the residential growth despite having good customer growth numbers. And certainly we've we had a very large rate reduction in November in our fuel filing, expect to have maybe a slightly a slight reduction again to the fuel tractor again here in May. And I think that just helps. Speaker 300:33:04When you have low rates and the economy is good locally, we have low unemployment. The job market is really good here in Oklahoma. I think that really helps the residential class do well. But this is 1 quarter, we'll see how second quarter looks and hopefully that trend continues for a bit. Speaker 800:33:22Great. Thanks so much for taking the questions. Speaker 200:33:25Thanks, Anthony. Operator00:33:30I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call over to Sean Trotsky, Chairman, President and CEO for closing remarks. Speaker 200:33:40Thank you, Liz, and thank you all for joining us today. Thank you for your interest in our company and for being on the call today. Please have a wonderful day. Take care. 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