FTC Solar Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 10, 2024

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

thank you for standing by. Welcome to the FTC Solar First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Bill Michellik, Vice President, Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and welcome, everyone, to SEC Solar's Q1 2024 earnings conference call. Before today's call, you may have reviewed our earnings release and supplemental financial information, which were posted earlier today. If you've not reviewed these documents, they're available on the Investor Relations section of our website at ftcsolar.com. I'm joined today by Ahmad Chotila, a member of the Board of Directors and the company founder Kathy Beynon, the company's Chief Financial Officer and Patrick Cook, the company's Chief Commercial Officer. Before we begin, I remind everyone that today's discussion contains forward looking statements based on our assumptions and beliefs in the current environment and speaks only as of the current date.

Speaker 1

As such, these forward looking statements include risks and uncertainties, and actual results and events could differ materially from our current expectations. Please refer to our press release and other SEC filings for more information on the specific risk factors. We assume no obligation to update such information except as required by law. As you'd expect, we'll discuss both GAAP and non GAAP measures today. Please note that the earnings release issued this morning includes a full reconciliation of each non GAAP financial measure to the nearest applicable GAAP measure.

Speaker 1

In addition, we'll discuss our backlog and our definition of this metric is also included in our press release. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ahmad.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Bill, and good morning, everyone. It's been a relatively short time since our last call, so our remarks today will be fairly brief. The key takeaways from my perspective are 1, Q1 financial results were in line with the targets we provided 2, the company continues to focus on advancing key initiatives that will support future growth and profitability. And 3, we continue to target being breakeven on an adjusted EBITDA basis in the 3rd quarter and crossing into profitability in the 4th quarter. Last quarter, we reviewed some of the issues that the company has faced and the progress that has been made recently.

Speaker 2

I'll briefly review those and note some additional progress. First, we discussed how the company has seen an acceleration of contracted projects or signed purchase orders from what has been about $6,000,000 per month in 2022 early 2023 to about $50,000,000 per month for the past 10 months. Our bookings remain healthy and the sustained booking success we've seen lays the foundation for revenue recovery that will start in the second half of the year. We remain laser focused on customers spending as much time with them as possible in a cross functional effort to improve engagement and best support the full range of customer needs with a robust product roadmap. We also continue to enhance our product portfolio and we recently awarded our first purchase order for a high wind version of our Pioneer 1P tracker.

Speaker 2

Our contracted and awarded total increased by $70,000,000 to 1,800,000,000 dollars with contracted projects representing approximately $485,000,000 of the total. 2nd, the market for 2P trackers has improved and we have our strongest and most comprehensive product portfolio to date. With module availability improved from where it was, we've seen a more normalized market for 2P with good pipeline activity. With strong 1P and 2P solutions along with software, we can be truly technology agnostic and optimize each individual project site to maximize the benefits for our customers. While most of our new awards are 1P, we now have several examples of project awards that combine 1P and 2P technologies with more in the pipeline.

Speaker 2

3rd, we continue to improve business properties. Customer visits, which had increased tenfold, remained elevated with a broad cross functional approach to accelerate the feedback loop on quality, product roadmap and future needs and enhance overall customer experience. And we continue to roll out our Net Promoter Score system to help us better measure and drive engagement and satisfaction. 4th, we continue to further improve our cost roadmap to enable higher sustainable long term gross margins. After making great strides reducing steel content and bringing manufacturing costs in line with those of our leading competitors, we continue to further optimize our design to value and design to manufacturing initiatives and expect cost improvements continue over the next 15 months.

Speaker 2

We are confident that these improvements and the strength of our average new project margin will enable greater than 20% gross margin in the future as our revenue levels scales. And finally, our breakeven cost has greatly improved, driven by higher direct margin as well as a reduction and keen focus on OpEx and overhead cost including adding an incremental labor in low cost countries. Our breakeven revenue level has historically been well over 100 $1,000,000 per quarter. Last quarter, we discussed how we have now brought that down to approximately $50,000,000 to $60,000,000 depending on whether or not we pay a bonus. Our margins on new U.

Speaker 2

S. Bookings, which are higher than international, have been very healthy and may enable us to achieve adjusted EBITDA breakeven below $50,000,000 So that's the latest on our key profitability initiatives. As it relates to the CEO search, we have been very deliberate in our approach to finding the right candidate and not wanting to disrupt progress on key initiatives. We continue to focus on candidates with significant industry knowledge and we have seen strong interest. I expect we could be in a position to make an announcement on or before our next earnings call in August.

Speaker 2

So in summary, we continue to make good progress in positioning the company for a healthy recovery. We have a strong and expanding product portfolio that is well regarded in the industry and can optimize our customers' project portfolios. Customer engagement is the top priority and we continue to see healthy bookings. The market for 2P trackers is improving and we are improving our systems and processes across the board, including pricing. We have a product cost structure to enable 20% plus long term gross margins and company cost structure which has been reduced to enable quarterly profitability in 2024.

Speaker 2

As revenue levels improve, the profitability and cash flows potential of the business can show through. With that, I'll turn it over to Kathy.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Ahmad, and good morning, everyone. I'll provide some additional color on our Q1 performance and our outlook. Beginning with the discussion of the Q1, revenue came in at $12,600,000 which was at the midpoint of our target range. This revenue level represents a decrease of 45.7% compared to the prior quarter and a decrease of 69.2% compared to the quarter last year on both lower products and logistics volume. GAAP gross loss was $2,100,000 or 16.7 percent of revenue compared to gross profit of $700,000 or 3 percent of revenue in the prior quarter.

Speaker 3

On a non GAAP basis, gross loss was $1,700,000 or 13.7 percent of revenue towards the higher or better end of our target range. This compares to a gross profit of $1,100,000 or positive 4.8% in the prior quarter. While our project margins remain healthy and our costs are much improved as represented by our last 4 consecutive quarters of positive margin, the revenue level in the Q1 was not high enough to absorb the indirect costs. We continue to believe that we have significant margin upside when our revenue level recovers. Our GAAP operating expenses were $10,400,000 On a non GAAP basis, excluding stock based compensation and certain other costs, operating expenses were $8,700,000 which includes a $700,000 credit loss provision relating to a specific customer account that was not included in our guidance ranges.

Speaker 3

Excluding this charge, our non GAAP operating expenses would have been $8,100,000 at the better end of our guidance range and representing some of the lowest levels in more than 2 years as we have found efficiencies across the company while continuing to invest to support growth. That normalized $8,100,000 would compare to a normalized $7,800,000 in the prior quarter and $10,100,000 in the year ago quarter. GAAP net loss was $8,800,000 or $0.07 per share compared to a loss of $11,200,000 or $0.09 per share in the prior quarter and a net loss of $11,800,000 or $0.11 per share in the year ago quarter. Adjusted EBITDA loss, which excludes an approximate $1,900,000 net benefit from an earn out on a previously sold investment, less stock based compensation expense and other non cash items was $10,700,000 compared to losses of $10,100,000 in the prior quarter and $7,200,000 in the year ago quarter. Even including the $700,000 charge, adjusted EBITDA loss was better than the midpoint of our guidance range.

Speaker 3

Finally, regarding liquidity, we ended the quarter with $60,000,000 in cash and restricted cash on the balance sheet. Our receivables ended the quarter at about 3.5 times our payables and subsequent to the end of the quarter we received payment on $9,000,000 in outstanding receivables that we were previously expecting by the end of the Q1. We currently expect to end the Q2 with about $20,000,000 to $25,000,000 in cash. We continue to hold no debt on the balance sheet and have about $65,000,000 remaining under the ATM program at the end of the quarter. As previewed on the last call, we did not utilize the ATM in Q4 or Q1 and we similarly don't plan to utilize it in Q2.

Speaker 3

With all of those factors, we are actively managing customer deposits and supplier payments. Our backlog is $1,800,000,000 and as Ahmad mentioned, the contracted portion of that is $485,000,000 With that, let us turn our focus to the outlook. Our targets for the Q2 call for the following: revenue between 10 $15,500,000 which at the midpoint would represent slight sequential growth from the Q1. Along with this revenue level, we expect non GAAP gross loss between $3,100,000 $1,100,000 or between negative 29.5 percent and 7.1 percent of revenue. As you might expect, the percentage ranges vary greatly at these lower revenue levels.

Speaker 3

Non GAAP operating expenses between $8,600,000 9 point $2,000,000 and finally adjusted EBITDA loss between $12,600,000 $9,800,000 We continue to expect revenue to be weighted towards the second half of the year with the company being approximately breakeven on an adjusted EBITDA basis in the Q3 before moving squarely profitable in the 4th quarter. With that, we conclude our prepared remarks, and I will turn it over to the operator for any questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank And our first question is going to come from the line of Philip Shen with ROTH MKM. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. First one is on the back half. You talked about hitting breakeven in Q3 and then profitability in Q4. As it relates to the Southeast Asia AD CBD and the challenges that might come from that, to what degree is there risk from those projects that you need to hit in Q3 and Q4 that they could get delayed by the new tariffs?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Phil. Patrick, can you give a color on what we see in the market on the ADCVD?

Speaker 5

Yes. I mean, I think holistically, I think it's too early to assess some of the potential impacts. Customers are assessing, and doing some scenario playing. So it hasn't been fully kind of vetted or taken up yet. But I will say the projects that we have in the back half of the year have been really focused on getting their security around the modules and we've been working with them and they've got clarity and line of sight on the modules.

Speaker 5

And so we hope that little to no impact for those projects.

Speaker 4

Great. In terms of the bookings, I think I saw about $118,000,000 of bookings. Can you Ray talked about yesterday $35,000,000 of U. S. Bookings getting de booked.

Speaker 4

I think Shoals had some de bookings as well or cancellations. Is your 118, I got to imagine it's a net bookings number. So I was curious if you've had any projects de book in a similar way given some of the challenges out there beyond ADCVD, but also with long lead time, high voltage equipment and interconnection queues and so forth? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Thank you for this question again. Kathy, why don't you give some color?

Speaker 3

So, yes, so we are giving net booking numbers, but we are not we don't really break that out. But we have never had any significant contracts pulled out, sometimes small ones, but we've not had anything significant drop out of our backlog.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. Thanks for taking the questions guys. I'll pass it on.

Operator

Thank you. And we'll move on to our next question. One moment please. Our next question will come from the line of Pavel Molchanov with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thanks for taking the question. Let's zoom in on Q3 when you anticipate EBITDA approaching breakeven. What kind of gross margin does that

Speaker 4

assume?

Speaker 2

Hi, Pavel. This is Ahmad. Let me think through. It will be around 16%, 17%, something like that in that range. We can dig that up for you and let you know later, but I think it's going to be in that range, Pavel.

Speaker 6

And same thing for Q4 with positive EBITDA. Is that going to be the kind of 20% number that you have targeted?

Speaker 7

I cannot I think it

Speaker 2

will be lower by a little bit. It might touch 20%, but I think it will be lower than 20%.

Speaker 6

Okay. Geographic mix, you just talked about some of the risks in the U. S. In terms of protectionism. What's the roadmap for continuing to expand your footprint in Australia and Latin America?

Speaker 2

Yes. I will get Patrick to answer that.

Speaker 5

Yes. No, so thanks for the question, Pavel. Obviously, our business has predominantly been in the U. S, but we are we have seen and continue to grow our pipeline and backlog in areas such as Australia, South Africa, Europe and Latin America. And we expect that to grow in the back half of the year as well and contribute to the overall revenue for the back half of the year.

Speaker 6

And of the $1,800,000,000 total back log, how much is international? Patrick?

Speaker 5

Yes, Pavel, we haven't broken out the domestic versus international. Obviously, the majority of our pipeline and backlog is in the U. S, but we are seeing the international piece as we've planted flags and grown our team footprint out there. That's been a growing portion of the backlog and we expect it to grow in the future as well.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thanks very much.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Sameer Joshi with H. C. Wainwright.

Operator

Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Good morning.

Speaker 7

Just a little bit on the backlog. I know you're not giving the geographic breakdown, but do you have 1P versus 2P breakdown there?

Speaker 2

Patrick, why don't you give some color on the backlog? Give a little bit of geographic, although we don't show exact numbers in 1P, 2P as well color.

Speaker 5

Yes. So I'd say, if you look at the geographic breakdown, the majority of it is in the U. S. And then if you kind of look at what are the sub portions, Australia, South Africa and then also Europe as we've that was the most recent country that we've or continent that we've entered and have been able to expand our backlog and pipeline there. As it relates to the 1 and 2P kind of breakdown, we've had the 2P longer.

Speaker 5

So naturally, our contracts and awarded is going to skew towards the 2P. And as Ahmad said in his opening remarks, we're seeing a recovery in our 2 and portrait a 2 and portrait market. But a lot of the bookings that we've had recently are tied to our 1P and around some of the excitement that they've seen in the constructability and just overall, 1P market. So more of the new projects have been signed up with our 1P system.

Speaker 7

Understood. Thanks for that. On your path towards improving gross margins over the last several quarters and going forward. Is the focus more on lowering the fixed costs Or are you trying to control the contribution margin of each additional unit produced? Or is the gross margin being driven also by some kind of a mix, either geographic or 1P, 2P?

Speaker 2

Yes, let me I'll take this one. This is Ahmad. Thank you, Sameer. So the there's 2 ways. 1 is to control the overhead costs, not reduce it, but control it.

Speaker 2

And as volumes expand to be careful of how we expand that overhead cost like services in the field and so on and so forth. But the vast majority of that gross margin improvement comes from unit cost reduction like bill of materials, value added manufacturing and logistics.

Speaker 7

Great, great. Thanks for that color. And then just one last question. In the income statement, there is a $4,100,000 gain from disposal of investment. Can you tell us what it is?

Speaker 7

Kathy?

Speaker 3

Yes. We previously had an investment in a subsidiary that we disposed of back in 2021. And we had an earn out on that. And as that earn out gets earned, then we recognize the revenue at that point in time.

Speaker 7

Got it. Thanks for that clarification. Thanks for taking my questions and good luck.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Jeff Osborne with TD Cowen. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Thank you. Good morning. Just a couple of quick ones. I was wondering if you could categorize either Patrick or Ahmad the growth in the second half. I assume that's in the U.

Speaker 8

S. Would you say it's with larger developers, smaller developers? Any context would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jeff. This is Ahmad. So it is in the U. S, it is with smaller developers. I mean, just to give you some color, our stock price being where it is, we are not as successful yet in penetrating Tier 1 accounts.

Speaker 2

And that's something that I think will change as we break even in Q3 and become profitable in Q4. So that's the color on the growth.

Speaker 8

That's helpful. And just going back 6, 9 months ago, Patrick and the team were a bit maybe overly specific, but I think there was reference to like the Cat Creek project in Idaho and then some agri affordable takes in Italy and some potential projects in Spain. I was just wondering if you could update us on where those stand. And then specifically in Italy, I think the government is looking to possibly shut down the agri PD sector as a whole. And so I wasn't sure if there's any notable backlog in that vertical just given that that was a focus of

Speaker 2

the prior season. So Jeff, I will give you color on Europe and then Patrick can talk about Cat Creek. Look, the Italian potential business is not material to the company. I would say that Spain is going to become very interesting for us and international, especially with expanding our team and adding senior executives. So we're going to see some nice progress in the next 12 months.

Speaker 2

And Patrick, why don't you give color on Cat Creek?

Speaker 5

Yes. As it relates to the Cat Creek project, obviously, it's one that we're really excited about. And just as a lot of other projects have seen, there's been some kind of inherent yet small delays that are going on with that project, but we expect it to start here in the short term and really kind of carry the back carry into the back half of the year and into 2025.

Speaker 8

Great. And then 2 other just rapid fire ones that, Ahmad, how do you define high winds? Is that 120 or 140 miles an hour

Speaker 2

I defer about the 135 and

Speaker 8

150. Got it. That's helpful. And then is there a bias to pay bonuses in Q3 or Q4 or have you accrued for either period?

Speaker 2

I'll get Kathy to answer that.

Speaker 3

No, we have not accrued for either period at this point in time, but do anticipate that there would be an opportunity to pay bonuses in Q4.

Speaker 5

Got it. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you,

Operator

Jeff. Thank you. And one moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Kashy Harrison with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Good morning, everybody, and thank you for taking my questions. So just a few ones for me. Could you first off remind us on the definition of the contracted backlog? And then can you also give us a sense of what proportion of this backlog you would say is fully dearest from a permitting perspective, interconnection, financing, high voltage critical equipment panels, just trying to make sure that the customers have what they need to move forward with these projects?

Speaker 2

All right. Patrick, why don't you answer this question?

Speaker 5

Yes. So as it relates to our backlog, our contract and awarded, we haven't changed the definition since the IPO. So it encompasses signed purchase orders, MOIs and as well as verbal awards. And I think we've spelled that out in our filings as well. As it relates to de risking, we have $485,000,000 worth of signed POs of that $1,800,000,000 that sits out there today.

Speaker 5

But we're not guiding to on an individual project basis, who's got financing and inverters. But once you get a signed purchase order, the projects are moving along in accordance with kind of the time that they've laid out.

Speaker 2

Yes. And Jeff sorry, Kashyap, let me give you a color as well. While there's chatter in the industry about the high voltage equipment and the lead times on those, specifically, we have not seen any of our projects being impacted yet with that. And on module, I want to circle back to a prior question. We went through and we talked to all our customers at least from the second half projects.

Speaker 2

And to a large extent, a lot of them already have procured modules. They either have them in inventory or they have them with First Solar or with someone who is going to be able to ship. So that's the second half of the year. I cannot tell you about 2025 right now and what's the impact of ABCVD or the high voltage equipment. But from the second half of the year, at this moment in time, we have not heard anything from our customers.

Speaker 9

Appreciate the color. That's all I have. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions and I'd like to hand it back to management for any further or closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Bill? Great. Well, thanks everyone for joining today. We look forward to giving you an update next quarter and thanks for joining.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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