NASDAQ:UHG United Homes Group Q1 2024 Earnings Report $2.08 -0.19 (-8.15%) As of 11:34 AM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings History United Homes Group EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.02Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/AUnited Homes Group Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$100.84 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AUnited Homes Group Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/10/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateFriday, May 10, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsUnited Homes Group's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Friday, May 9, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by United Homes Group Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 10, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, everyone, and welcome to the United Homes Group First Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, you will have the opportunity to ask questions during the question and answer session. Operator00:00:25Please note this call may be recorded and I will be standing by should you need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Erin. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Good morning, and welcome to United Homes Group's Q1 of 2024 Earnings Call. Before the call begins, I would like to note that this call will include forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. United Homes Group cautions that forward looking statements are subject to numerous assumptions, risks and uncertainties, which change over time. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, the risk factors described by United Homes Group in its filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Accordingly, forward looking statements should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date, and you should not place undue reliance on these forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:11We do not undertake any obligation to update forward looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date they were made, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as may be required under applicable securities laws. Additionally, reconciliations of non GAAP financial measures discussed on this call to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be accessed through the company's website and in its SEC filings. Hosting the call today are United Homes Group's President, Jack Micenko Chief Operating Officer, Shelton Twine and Chief Financial Officer, Keith Feldman. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Jack. Speaker 200:01:47Thanks, Karen. Good morning, everyone. United Homes Group made progress on a number of fronts in the Q1 of 2024 as we continue to pursue our goal of becoming one of the premier homebuilders in the Southeastern United States. With a focus on affordability, a landline operating strategy and a strong track record of homebuilding success, United Homes is poised to grow beyond its existing footprint for both strategic M and A and organic growth. We continue to see a favorable homebuilding landscape in our markets, thanks to a lack of home inventory in the resale market, continued strong job growth and household formation. Speaker 200:02:18Both companies and families continue to migrate to cities and throughout the Southeast, creating a need for new housing, and we plan on capitalizing on this trend for years to come. As we stated in the past, M and A will be the key driver of our expansion in new markets. Feel we have a competitive advantage over our peers given our Southeastern roots and our willingness to retain the acquired company's personnel following the transaction. We've already executed a number of acquisitions, the most recent being Creekside Custom Homes, which closed in the Q1 and further expanded our presence into the coastal region of South Carolina. The integration of Creekside and the other acquired builders are progressing nicely and we are excited to have them as part of our team. Speaker 200:02:54We are constantly evaluating possible deals in our markets and hope to add more builders to our platform this year, providing they're a good fit to our company from a financial and cultural perspective. We ended the Q1 with just over 11,000 lots owned and controlled, giving us a great runway for future growth. We remain committed to securing our land capital in a capital efficient manner for the use of options agreements and land banking arrangements. We feel that offloading much of the cost associated with land development will allow us to focus on our core competency of building and selling homes. Our landline efforts got a real boost in the Q1 with our entry into strategic partnership with a large land banking partner and closing on our initial transaction with that partner, we also then entered into a different agreement for newly created land fund just this week, which Keith will speak to in his commentary later. Speaker 200:03:36Overall, I'm pleased with our market positioning at the end of the Q1 and remain excited about the opportunities that lie ahead. We made further progress towards long term goal of becoming a premier homebuilder in the Southeastern U. S. While maintaining a focus on new home affordability. Ended the quarter with a sold backlog of 2 62 homes, which represented a 39% increase over the Q1 of 2023 and which should lead to strong cash flow generation in coming quarters. Speaker 200:03:59We also maintain a strong balance sheet with over $28,000,000 of cash and $63,000,000 of undrawn revolver capacity under our credit facility. As a result, I United Homes Group is well positioned to achieve our goals for 2024 and beyond. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Sheldon, who will provide some more detail on operations this quarter. Speaker 300:04:15Thanks, Jack, and good morning to everyone. United Homes delivered 311 homes in the Q1 of 2024, generating home sales revenue of $101,000,000 Our Midlands division was the biggest contributor to our delivery total, followed by our upstate and coastal divisions. Construction cycle times have returned to pre pandemic levels as we saw a real improvement in the availability of labor and materials as compared to last year. We believe this year over year improvement in cycle times along with our 39% unit backlog increase in the quarter will lead to strong cash flow generation in the coming quarters as Jack mentioned. We sold 384 homes during the quarter on a sales pace of 2 point 6 per active community per month. Speaker 300:05:03Following the close of the Q1, we generated 118 new net orders in April, which was fairly consistent with March, a signal that demand trends are staying positive as we move through the spring selling season. Financing incentives remain an important selling tool at our communities as they help buyers secure a monthly payment that fits within their budget. We begin the year at elevated incentive levels, but were successful in dial on the back as the Q1 progressed. We are optimistic this downward trend in incentive levels will continue, but much of it will depend on the trajectory of interest rates from here. We continue to see motivated engaged and engaged buyers in our markets, thanks to the lack of available supply and the steady flow of new jobs and people into the region. Speaker 300:05:51Our cancellation rate during the quarter was 10%, a level that implies that prospective buyers who move forward with their purchase remain committed and confident in their decision through the home buying process. Overall, we saw solid demand and traffic trends at our communities throughout the Q1 and this carried into April. We continue to strike a balance between price and pace to achieve our desired return goals and deliver homes in a timely manner. We have a healthy pipeline of lots, which will allow us to fulfill our delivery goal for 2,004 beyond and an affordable product focus that meets the needs of most entry level buyers in our markets in terms of quality and value. While we still have a lot of work to do to become the large scale Southeastern builder that we want to be, I believe we are on the right track to achieve that goal. Speaker 300:06:42With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Keith, who will provide more detail on our financial results this quarter. Speaker 400:06:49Thank you, Jack and Sean, and good morning. For the Q1 of 2024, net income was $24,900,000 which included a change in fair value of $26,400,000 primarily related to the accounting for potential earn out, which will fluctuate on our financial statements each quarter based on our ending stock price. This earn out will be paid only in common shares upon reaching certain stock price hurdles and can never result in a cash expense for the company. Revenue for the Q1 of 2024 was $100,800,000 compared to $94,800,000 for the Q1 of 2023. Home closings during the Q1 of 2024 were 311 homes compared to 328 homes in the Q1 of 2023. Speaker 400:07:34Average sales price during the Q1 of 2024 was $335,000 for 286 production built homes. This compared to an average sales price of $314,000 during the Q1 of 2023 for 294 production built homes. As Shelton mentioned, our net new orders during the Q1 of 2024 were 384 homes compared to 389 homes in the Q1 of 2023. Our backlog at the end of the Q1 was 262 homes with a value of approximately 78,700,000 Gross profit and gross profit margin for the Q1 of 2024 was $16,100,000 16 percent, which decreased from $16,800,000 17.7 percent for the Q1 of 2023. This decrease was driven by a few items. Speaker 400:08:26Purchase accounting adjustments related to the sold inventory that we acquired from Rosewood and Creekside and increased interest expense on finished inventory. Excluding these items, adjusted gross profit and adjusted gross profit margin were $20,600,000 20.4 percent compared to $19,200,000 20.2 percent in the Q1 of 2023. SG and A expense in the Q1 of 2024 was $17,100,000 Adjusted for one time transaction fees and non cash stock based compensation expense, adjusted G and A was approximately $14,300,000 or 14.2 percent of revenue for the Q1. As Jack mentioned, we made significant progress this quarter on our land life initiatives by moving approximately $17,000,000 of finished lots to a large land banking partner. This strategy will allow us to continue to be efficient with our balance sheet capital and take down lots as we are starting new homes. Speaker 400:09:22Additionally, we entered into a definitive agreement for newly created land fund for a total amount of up to $150,000,000 which will provide capital for future land development into finished lots in our core markets. As of today, we have 63 active communities, up from 52 as of Q1 2023. As of March 31, 2024, we had approximately 11,000 lots under control from our land development affiliate as well as Speaker 200:09:49from third Speaker 400:09:50parties. We had $29,000,000 in cash and $63,000,000 of availability on credit facility as of March 31, 2024, resulting in total liquidity of $92,000,000 That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open up the line for questions. Operator00:10:35Will take our first question from Karl Brinkard with BTIG. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:10:42Thanks. Hey guys. Hope you're doing well. Thank you for all the color. Apologies for the background noise here. Speaker 500:10:47First, Keith, can you excluding the purchase accounting impact and the higher interest rate impact on gross margin, can you talk about the travel from last year, the improvement in gross margin and what drove that ex those items? Speaker 400:11:04Yes. Hi, Karl. Yes. So if you look at the adjusted gross profit, it was marginally higher. And it was really we have incentives this year as we did last year, but the lumber cost really has come down from this year to from last year to this year, right? Speaker 400:11:22So remember last year at the beginning of last year, we had high lumber cost in our inventory and we burned through that. So that gave us a little bit of an uplift in adjusted gross margin. And then we have incentives, which are similar to last year, but probably trending up a little bit. Speaker 500:11:41Okay. Thank you. And then, Jack, you've been there for, I think, 3 quarters now, if I've got it right. Can you talk about sort of the acquisition environment as you look at it today versus, say, what it was 9 months ago? And how does sort of potential forward deal flow look given that obviously a lot of other builders are looking, but at the same time you guys have a value proposition for potential targets that might be very different. Speaker 500:12:07So maybe just sort of flush that out, I'd appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Phil. Speaker 200:12:10Yes. Sure, Karl. Thanks for the question. Couple of things. Speaker 500:12:15To most of Speaker 200:12:16the industry observers, it's no secret that M and A activity has picked up. There have been, I don't know, Karl, on my account, 4 or 5 deals where in most public companies in the last 6 or 9 months. There's a deal in Texas, at least one in Tennessee, Indiana, a couple of others. So the velocity is picking up. We, as you'd expect, took a look at many of those. Speaker 200:12:43We look at most of the transactions that are in the marketplace. The broker community certainly understands that we're our strategy and we're one of the calls. We've got to look at a couple of other things that we've got to look at the market, the geography, the footprint, the size, the consideration, we'd like to use our equity as much as we can to stretch our cash and our capital because we have to keep the M and A or the organic engine going just as much as the M and A side. Definitely more activity. Valuations, we don't get a ton of color on them. Speaker 200:13:24You can back into it once some of our peers file the transactions at valuations surprisingly, have increased. And then the last thing for us that's really important is we always need to go into these with a solution for the land ahead of time. We are the land light strategy for us is non negotiable. So if it's a traditional builder with a lot of lots in the balance sheet, we need to have a solve for that. And when we go back to some of the prepared comments, having that strategic partner now in place on the land bank side, and beyond that, multiple conversations with a number of providers, I think positions us well at the point of sale to address that early and efficient more efficiently going forward. Speaker 200:14:11But more deals, valuations are up, and I don't see that really slowing down. We were out at the Builder 100 Conference this week and you may have seen we were fortunate to win the Builder of the Year award this year. So we were out accepting that and a lot of discussion around M and A at that conference. And so I think the color there suggests we're going to see more of the same for the foreseeable future. Speaker 500:14:39Great. And I meant to say congrats on Builder of the Year too. I really appreciate the color guys. Thanks so much. Speaker 200:14:45Thanks, Carl. Operator00:15:12And it appears that we have no further questions at this time. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, everyone, and welcome to the United Homes Group First Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, you will have the opportunity to ask questions during the question and answer session. Operator00:00:25Please note this call may be recorded and I will be standing by should you need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Erin. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Good morning, and welcome to United Homes Group's Q1 of 2024 Earnings Call. Before the call begins, I would like to note that this call will include forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. United Homes Group cautions that forward looking statements are subject to numerous assumptions, risks and uncertainties, which change over time. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, the risk factors described by United Homes Group in its filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Accordingly, forward looking statements should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date, and you should not place undue reliance on these forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:11We do not undertake any obligation to update forward looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date they were made, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as may be required under applicable securities laws. Additionally, reconciliations of non GAAP financial measures discussed on this call to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be accessed through the company's website and in its SEC filings. Hosting the call today are United Homes Group's President, Jack Micenko Chief Operating Officer, Shelton Twine and Chief Financial Officer, Keith Feldman. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Jack. Speaker 200:01:47Thanks, Karen. Good morning, everyone. United Homes Group made progress on a number of fronts in the Q1 of 2024 as we continue to pursue our goal of becoming one of the premier homebuilders in the Southeastern United States. With a focus on affordability, a landline operating strategy and a strong track record of homebuilding success, United Homes is poised to grow beyond its existing footprint for both strategic M and A and organic growth. We continue to see a favorable homebuilding landscape in our markets, thanks to a lack of home inventory in the resale market, continued strong job growth and household formation. Speaker 200:02:18Both companies and families continue to migrate to cities and throughout the Southeast, creating a need for new housing, and we plan on capitalizing on this trend for years to come. As we stated in the past, M and A will be the key driver of our expansion in new markets. Feel we have a competitive advantage over our peers given our Southeastern roots and our willingness to retain the acquired company's personnel following the transaction. We've already executed a number of acquisitions, the most recent being Creekside Custom Homes, which closed in the Q1 and further expanded our presence into the coastal region of South Carolina. The integration of Creekside and the other acquired builders are progressing nicely and we are excited to have them as part of our team. Speaker 200:02:54We are constantly evaluating possible deals in our markets and hope to add more builders to our platform this year, providing they're a good fit to our company from a financial and cultural perspective. We ended the Q1 with just over 11,000 lots owned and controlled, giving us a great runway for future growth. We remain committed to securing our land capital in a capital efficient manner for the use of options agreements and land banking arrangements. We feel that offloading much of the cost associated with land development will allow us to focus on our core competency of building and selling homes. Our landline efforts got a real boost in the Q1 with our entry into strategic partnership with a large land banking partner and closing on our initial transaction with that partner, we also then entered into a different agreement for newly created land fund just this week, which Keith will speak to in his commentary later. Speaker 200:03:36Overall, I'm pleased with our market positioning at the end of the Q1 and remain excited about the opportunities that lie ahead. We made further progress towards long term goal of becoming a premier homebuilder in the Southeastern U. S. While maintaining a focus on new home affordability. Ended the quarter with a sold backlog of 2 62 homes, which represented a 39% increase over the Q1 of 2023 and which should lead to strong cash flow generation in coming quarters. Speaker 200:03:59We also maintain a strong balance sheet with over $28,000,000 of cash and $63,000,000 of undrawn revolver capacity under our credit facility. As a result, I United Homes Group is well positioned to achieve our goals for 2024 and beyond. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Sheldon, who will provide some more detail on operations this quarter. Speaker 300:04:15Thanks, Jack, and good morning to everyone. United Homes delivered 311 homes in the Q1 of 2024, generating home sales revenue of $101,000,000 Our Midlands division was the biggest contributor to our delivery total, followed by our upstate and coastal divisions. Construction cycle times have returned to pre pandemic levels as we saw a real improvement in the availability of labor and materials as compared to last year. We believe this year over year improvement in cycle times along with our 39% unit backlog increase in the quarter will lead to strong cash flow generation in the coming quarters as Jack mentioned. We sold 384 homes during the quarter on a sales pace of 2 point 6 per active community per month. Speaker 300:05:03Following the close of the Q1, we generated 118 new net orders in April, which was fairly consistent with March, a signal that demand trends are staying positive as we move through the spring selling season. Financing incentives remain an important selling tool at our communities as they help buyers secure a monthly payment that fits within their budget. We begin the year at elevated incentive levels, but were successful in dial on the back as the Q1 progressed. We are optimistic this downward trend in incentive levels will continue, but much of it will depend on the trajectory of interest rates from here. We continue to see motivated engaged and engaged buyers in our markets, thanks to the lack of available supply and the steady flow of new jobs and people into the region. Speaker 300:05:51Our cancellation rate during the quarter was 10%, a level that implies that prospective buyers who move forward with their purchase remain committed and confident in their decision through the home buying process. Overall, we saw solid demand and traffic trends at our communities throughout the Q1 and this carried into April. We continue to strike a balance between price and pace to achieve our desired return goals and deliver homes in a timely manner. We have a healthy pipeline of lots, which will allow us to fulfill our delivery goal for 2,004 beyond and an affordable product focus that meets the needs of most entry level buyers in our markets in terms of quality and value. While we still have a lot of work to do to become the large scale Southeastern builder that we want to be, I believe we are on the right track to achieve that goal. Speaker 300:06:42With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Keith, who will provide more detail on our financial results this quarter. Speaker 400:06:49Thank you, Jack and Sean, and good morning. For the Q1 of 2024, net income was $24,900,000 which included a change in fair value of $26,400,000 primarily related to the accounting for potential earn out, which will fluctuate on our financial statements each quarter based on our ending stock price. This earn out will be paid only in common shares upon reaching certain stock price hurdles and can never result in a cash expense for the company. Revenue for the Q1 of 2024 was $100,800,000 compared to $94,800,000 for the Q1 of 2023. Home closings during the Q1 of 2024 were 311 homes compared to 328 homes in the Q1 of 2023. Speaker 400:07:34Average sales price during the Q1 of 2024 was $335,000 for 286 production built homes. This compared to an average sales price of $314,000 during the Q1 of 2023 for 294 production built homes. As Shelton mentioned, our net new orders during the Q1 of 2024 were 384 homes compared to 389 homes in the Q1 of 2023. Our backlog at the end of the Q1 was 262 homes with a value of approximately 78,700,000 Gross profit and gross profit margin for the Q1 of 2024 was $16,100,000 16 percent, which decreased from $16,800,000 17.7 percent for the Q1 of 2023. This decrease was driven by a few items. Speaker 400:08:26Purchase accounting adjustments related to the sold inventory that we acquired from Rosewood and Creekside and increased interest expense on finished inventory. Excluding these items, adjusted gross profit and adjusted gross profit margin were $20,600,000 20.4 percent compared to $19,200,000 20.2 percent in the Q1 of 2023. SG and A expense in the Q1 of 2024 was $17,100,000 Adjusted for one time transaction fees and non cash stock based compensation expense, adjusted G and A was approximately $14,300,000 or 14.2 percent of revenue for the Q1. As Jack mentioned, we made significant progress this quarter on our land life initiatives by moving approximately $17,000,000 of finished lots to a large land banking partner. This strategy will allow us to continue to be efficient with our balance sheet capital and take down lots as we are starting new homes. Speaker 400:09:22Additionally, we entered into a definitive agreement for newly created land fund for a total amount of up to $150,000,000 which will provide capital for future land development into finished lots in our core markets. As of today, we have 63 active communities, up from 52 as of Q1 2023. As of March 31, 2024, we had approximately 11,000 lots under control from our land development affiliate as well as Speaker 200:09:49from third Speaker 400:09:50parties. We had $29,000,000 in cash and $63,000,000 of availability on credit facility as of March 31, 2024, resulting in total liquidity of $92,000,000 That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open up the line for questions. Operator00:10:35Will take our first question from Karl Brinkard with BTIG. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:10:42Thanks. Hey guys. Hope you're doing well. Thank you for all the color. Apologies for the background noise here. Speaker 500:10:47First, Keith, can you excluding the purchase accounting impact and the higher interest rate impact on gross margin, can you talk about the travel from last year, the improvement in gross margin and what drove that ex those items? Speaker 400:11:04Yes. Hi, Karl. Yes. So if you look at the adjusted gross profit, it was marginally higher. And it was really we have incentives this year as we did last year, but the lumber cost really has come down from this year to from last year to this year, right? Speaker 400:11:22So remember last year at the beginning of last year, we had high lumber cost in our inventory and we burned through that. So that gave us a little bit of an uplift in adjusted gross margin. And then we have incentives, which are similar to last year, but probably trending up a little bit. Speaker 500:11:41Okay. Thank you. And then, Jack, you've been there for, I think, 3 quarters now, if I've got it right. Can you talk about sort of the acquisition environment as you look at it today versus, say, what it was 9 months ago? And how does sort of potential forward deal flow look given that obviously a lot of other builders are looking, but at the same time you guys have a value proposition for potential targets that might be very different. Speaker 500:12:07So maybe just sort of flush that out, I'd appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Phil. Speaker 200:12:10Yes. Sure, Karl. Thanks for the question. Couple of things. Speaker 500:12:15To most of Speaker 200:12:16the industry observers, it's no secret that M and A activity has picked up. There have been, I don't know, Karl, on my account, 4 or 5 deals where in most public companies in the last 6 or 9 months. There's a deal in Texas, at least one in Tennessee, Indiana, a couple of others. So the velocity is picking up. We, as you'd expect, took a look at many of those. Speaker 200:12:43We look at most of the transactions that are in the marketplace. The broker community certainly understands that we're our strategy and we're one of the calls. We've got to look at a couple of other things that we've got to look at the market, the geography, the footprint, the size, the consideration, we'd like to use our equity as much as we can to stretch our cash and our capital because we have to keep the M and A or the organic engine going just as much as the M and A side. Definitely more activity. Valuations, we don't get a ton of color on them. Speaker 200:13:24You can back into it once some of our peers file the transactions at valuations surprisingly, have increased. And then the last thing for us that's really important is we always need to go into these with a solution for the land ahead of time. We are the land light strategy for us is non negotiable. So if it's a traditional builder with a lot of lots in the balance sheet, we need to have a solve for that. And when we go back to some of the prepared comments, having that strategic partner now in place on the land bank side, and beyond that, multiple conversations with a number of providers, I think positions us well at the point of sale to address that early and efficient more efficiently going forward. Speaker 200:14:11But more deals, valuations are up, and I don't see that really slowing down. We were out at the Builder 100 Conference this week and you may have seen we were fortunate to win the Builder of the Year award this year. So we were out accepting that and a lot of discussion around M and A at that conference. And so I think the color there suggests we're going to see more of the same for the foreseeable future. Speaker 500:14:39Great. And I meant to say congrats on Builder of the Year too. I really appreciate the color guys. Thanks so much. Speaker 200:14:45Thanks, Carl. Operator00:15:12And it appears that we have no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back to management for closing remarks. Speaker 200:15:20Well, thank you everybody for calling in this morning. Appreciate your interest in Knight Homes Group and look forward to updating everyone as we continue to progress and grow our company. Thank you. Operator00:15:32And this does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation and you may disconnect at any time.Read morePowered by