NASDAQ:GORV Lazydays Q1 2024 Earnings Report $0.23 -0.03 (-9.94%) Closing price 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$0.22 -0.01 (-5.43%) As of 07:44 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Lazydays EPS ResultsActual EPS-$1.63Consensus EPS -$0.43Beat/MissMissed by -$1.20One Year Ago EPSN/ALazydays Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$270.59 millionExpected Revenue$285.40 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$14.81 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ALazydays Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/15/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, May 16, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsLazydays' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, May 21, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, May 15, 2025 at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Lazydays Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 16, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Lazydays Holdings First Quarter 2024 Conference Call. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to introduce your host, Kelly Porter, Chief Financial Officer. Thank you. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:16Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. On the call with me today are John North, CEO and Amber Dillard, Vice President of Operations. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that we will be discussing forward looking information, including potential future financial performance, which is subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from such forward looking statements and information. Such risks, uncertainties, assumptions and other factors are identified in our earnings release and other periodic filings with the SEC as well as the Investor Relations section of our website. Accordingly, forward looking statements should not be relied upon as a prediction of actual results, and any or all of our forward looking statements may prove to be inaccurate. Speaker 100:01:00We can make no guarantees about our future performance, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise our forward looking statements. On this call, we will discuss certain non GAAP financial measures. Please refer to our earnings release, which is available on our website, for how we define these measures and reconciliations to the closest comparable GAAP measures. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to John North, our Chief Executive Officer. Speaker 200:01:24Thanks, Kelly. Good morning, everybody. Thanks for calling in. As usual, I'll kick things off. I'll let Amber talk about operations. Speaker 200:01:34Kelly can speak to the financial results and then we'll hopefully take a couple of questions. We along with the rest of the industry have been working hard to adapt to the current retail environment, namely sales softness coupled with an industry wide inventory overhang of aging 20222023 units. To that end, we've been focused on what we can control. 1st, inventory health 2nd, increasing used procurement 3rd, driving finance and insurance performance higher and 4th, controlling cost. I'm pleased to report we've made significant progress in all these areas since we spoke to you about 60 days ago. Speaker 200:02:11The variable in the equation that has been outside of our control is retail demand. The increase in sales velocity we expected through March April did not materialize. Based on the most recent SSI data, Nationwide new unit sales were down in March over 17% from 2023. We performed better than the market, but still saw year over year declines. We attribute this to 3 factors. Speaker 200:02:341st is lower consumer demand. 2nd is negative equity on many units purchased during the pandemic. And third is dealers that we compete against that were slower to respond and discount aging inventory did so and that drove consumer traffic towards their better deals and away from our healthier priced offerings. Fortunately, we have fantastic partners with our OEMs, lenders and investors. We've received continued financial support on our units and inventory, flexibility on our credit facility again this month and a further injection of liquidity, raising $15,000,000 through an expansion of our mortgage financing. Speaker 200:03:09Our cash position today is almost unchanged from where we ended the Q1 It remains almost 20% higher than where we finished the Q3 of 2023. In summary, our inventory is healthy. We are driving operational improvements and vehicle gross profit per unit continues to improve, but increasing unit volume continues to be elusive. Given the start to the year and our outlook for the rest of 2024, we are projecting a pre tax loss, but anticipate positive EBITDA and adjusted free cash flow. Finally, the team is engaged, working hard together and continues to identify ways to pursue every retail opportunity that is available in the market. Speaker 200:03:47I want to thank all of our employees for their hard work. And with that, I'll let Amber take it over. Speaker 300:03:52Thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. As previously mentioned, we have continued to focus on improving our inventory health. To recall the journey we have been on, in early November, we had approximately 12022 model year units and over 20 2023 model year units in stock. As of yesterday, we were down to 5 20 22 units and just under 32023 units remaining. We have also reduced our on ground new inventory from over 4,700 units in November to under 3,600 today. Speaker 300:04:26As of today, more than 90% of our inventory is 2024 or 2025 model year. We believe this is among the healthiest in the industry. Additionally, our OEM partners are thoughtfully and slowly introducing 2025 model year units, of which we currently have less than 50 in stock. They are slowing model year change where they can to preserve the pricing power on 20 24 units. Another area of strength is our approach to our used inventory. Speaker 300:04:55We have made a concerted effort to ramp up our internal purchasing activity and the team has acquired more units sequentially every month this year. Given our focus on reducing new inventory at year end, we slowed our used unit acquisition cadence in the Q4 but have increased it significantly over the last 75 days with an incremental effort in May that is delivering more than 4x higher lead volume compared to April. A used unit typically generates 5 to 6 times more lead volume than a new unit, which therefore drives more potential customers into our sales funnel with fewer units in stock. Current gross profit per unit on inventory bought from consumers has been consistent with our pre pandemic historical results, we are doing everything we can to generate more leads, more purchases from consumers and thereby more traffic and revenue to our stores. Another focus has been S and I. Speaker 300:05:53We have been making meaningful improvements in our results due to enhancing our people, process and product. To provide a couple of examples, our S and I per unit on a same store basis increased $170 per unit year over year despite average selling prices on units declining by over 13%. Our financing penetration on units increased from 50 9% in March and is at 75% so far in May without the benefit of having as many aggressively priced units that are easier to finance due to a lower loan to value ratio. I am proud of our financial services managers for the effort they have shown to increase our gross profit generation in this critical revenue stream. Finally, regarding cost control relative to last year, we are within 20 basis points of SG and A as a percentage of revenue in the Q1, while total revenue declined 8.5%, and we have 7 more locations in operations compared to 2023. Speaker 300:06:57The absolute change in SG and A expense is lower by almost $4,000,000 or over 8.5% on an absolute basis. Overall, the opportunities for self help in generating optimum performance for our stores remain substantial and achievable. We look forward to providing incremental updates as the operations team has additional time to drive these improvements. Finally, I'd like to echo John's comments and thank our employees. We have a mission, culture and focus that is second to none in the industry. Speaker 300:07:29We are aligned and all pulling together, and I am both humbled and honored to lead our store personnel. With that, I'll turn the call over to Kelly. Speaker 100:07:39Thank you, Amber. Please note that unless stated otherwise, the 2024 Q1 comparisons are versus the same period in 2023. Total revenue for the quarter was $270,600,000 a decrease of 8.5%. From this point on, all metrics will be on a same store basis unless otherwise stated. New unit sales declined 11.1% in the quarter and gross profit per unit excluding LIFO declined 75.7% as a result of our aggressive discounting of 20222023 model year units. Speaker 100:08:13Used retail unit sales decreased 4.6% and gross profit per unit decreased 51.4%. Finance and insurance revenue declined 5.6% during the quarter, primarily due to a decrease in unit volume and higher charge backs. As Amber mentioned, F and I per unit increased 3.3% despite lower average selling prices and fewer unit sales. Our service body and parts revenue decreased 20.6% and our gross profit decreased by 18.9%. Our gross margin on service body and parts increased 120 basis points. Speaker 100:08:50Adjusted net loss was 21 point $4,000,000 for the quarter compared to net income of $1,200,000 last year. Adjusted fully diluted earnings per share was a loss of $1.63 for the quarter compared to 0 in the prior year. Moving on to liquidity and capital allocation. On May 15, we raised an additional $15,000,000 of capital generated through mortgage financing on owned real estate. The mortgage facility has a current balance of $50,000,000 and includes real estate with a basis approximately $127,000,000 We estimate we can generate an additional $45,000,000 in mortgage proceeds by refinancing these locations at a 75% loan to value rate similar to the other properties we financed earlier in 2023. Speaker 100:09:35Working with our syndicated lenders, we received of our financial covenants through the Q1 of 2025. I want to thank our bank partners for their partnership to allow us the room to navigate the current economic environment and focus on improving operating results throughout 2024. With that, we can open the call to questions. Operator? Operator00:10:15Our first question is coming from Steve Dyer from Craig Hallum. Your line is now live. Speaker 400:10:21Thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just kind of a question on new vehicle gross margin at a level that I don't think I've seen or you've imagined probably is that just a function of kind of blowing out old model year or fixed cost absorption or all of the above? Speaker 200:10:43Hey, Steve, good to hear from you. I think in short, you described it well, probably lower than anybody could imagine. But yes, that's exactly what happened. I mean we've seen our new vehicle gross margins recover pretty dramatically in April and so far into May. I think the big change for us in the Q1 was really needing to get through a lot of that inventory and get healthy and we saw the writing on the wall and took our pain and moved through it. Speaker 200:11:16And that's what happened. I think what we were hoping would happen in March April as we would see seasonality pick up and we sell some more units. The grosses are there on the 24s in particular. We're paying a lot of attention to the quantity of inventory. And Amber talked about that. Speaker 200:11:34We're down to 3,700 units less than I think as of today, which is way light even compared to where we were this time last year with a lot more stores now. And we did that for a couple of reasons. Number 1, we want to make sure we're really careful with the high end and the motorized pieces because those have been even slower to move. I think everybody's seen the low end towables are where it's at. Amber was sharing with me morning over 30% of what we sold this year in the travel trailer segment is under $30, which is way different than our mix has been historically. Speaker 200:12:09And we've focused on that intentionally, but that's also where the market is, to be frank. I mean, Coleman has been the number one trailer from SSI 3 months in a row this year, and that's like a $12,000 or $15,000 unit. So we've been thoughtful about the high end heavy product as well, the motorized product, and that doesn't generate the grosses that it has historically because we've been trying to turn it faster with floorplan financing at 8%. Funding a $500,000 or $700,000 unit gets pretty costly every month if you're not turning them. So it's a combination of all those things. Speaker 200:12:44I think in short, we feel really good over the inventory is the grosses are there. We're just hoping and trying to do everything we can to drive more retail sales and really leading into use because that's where the market is. Speaker 400:12:58Yes, that's really helpful. Thanks, John. I mean, as it relates to mix, it sounds like you have the late model stuff where you want it. Do you have the mix to the Coleman's of the world where it needs to be relative to demand right now? Speaker 200:13:14Yes. I mean, fortunately, Amber has run our supply chain for a better part of a decade and has really good relationships with OEMs and is able to get product at the right price points. I mean, I call out a couple of things. We've got the product, the Catalina stuff that's done for us. That's a really good price point, pretty competitive at that entry level, first time buyer price point. Speaker 200:13:40And then even like Grand Design, they're coming out with the low end stuff that's more affordable because they see where the market is. And they're our number one partner in terms of units. I mean, I think 40% of what we sold in 2023 was Grand Design. So yes, we can get it. That's where the market is. Speaker 200:13:57You see the margin differences when you look at us versus Camping World. So obviously, on a much lower ASP, you can see a margin in the teens, but there's a balance there because we are also a really good partner with an Entegra, Newmar, a Tiffin that sells the higher end motorized stuff for has been phenomenal to us. And so we want to keep everybody happy as best we can. We're trying to buy units and keep their factories moving and be a good partner. And also be really careful to protect ourselves because when you get heavy on inventory, it starts to age, you end up having the last 6 months that we've had and that's not very much fun. Speaker 200:14:37And I think that's where the industry has been. I just think a lot of dealers do it in private because they don't put their quarterly results out like we do. Speaker 400:14:46Aren't you happy you get to do that? When you started, just kind of Lithia background and so forth, parts and service sort of a focus and I don't know to the degree you've been able to do what you want to do just given you've been triaging in some of these other areas but can you kind of give a little bit of color kind of what you're working on there and how that's going relative to expectations? Speaker 200:15:14Sure. I mean, I think you're right. We've had to focus on the sales side of the organization and we leaned in pretty heavy starting about, I would say, August of last year and we're really laser focused on sales. I think, obviously, there's always incremental things you're doing on the sales side or any part of the business. But in particular, like F and I was just such an opportunity for us, we needed to start there. Speaker 200:15:43I mean, there's 1,000 of dollars per unit being left on the table if we can continue to drive on performance and improvement there. But I think as we got through the end of the year and into January, we've been pivoting our focus now into service. And you're exactly right. I mean that to me is one of the foundational things that is more consistent in this business. And there's a reason that we call it fixed operations. Speaker 200:16:09It's supposed to help cover your fixed costs. And if you think about sizing it, I mean, I think for UP Justice, we're at 5.5% of revenue, was service of the total. That should be 10 plus. So that's an area where there is tremendous opportunity and capacity. And we've done so many things behind the scenes. Speaker 200:16:32We just brought in new recruiters, technical recruiters. We're partnering with trade schools to get more technicians. There's so much low hanging fruit there and opportunity. But anytime you're making people changes at any level, it always takes longer to really see that pay off. And so it's probably not going to be something we're going to turn on in a quarter. Speaker 200:16:55And so as everybody is thinking about their model, I think be gentle. But in terms of where the long term where this business could be, I think it easily be 10% plus and the gross margin is higher than in automotive. I mean, it's typically to see a 60% gross margin and in a well run service department, you can do a 25%, 30% operating margin. I mean that's a really, really good consistent business. And I think for whatever reason where we find ourselves, we just haven't emphasized it the way that we should. Speaker 200:17:27And what we kind of jokingly say in the businesses, sales sells the first one and service sells the second and third. And if you take care of customers and you make their product usable and unfortunately these are homes on wheels, they get towed at 75 miles an hour and things go wrong. If you can overcome those things, you create really good value prop and the OEMs love you, the customers are happy, there's really good recurring revenue. So we're working on it. It's just to your point, we've had to triage a lot of things, But it's been a big focus area the last 30, 45 days for us. Speaker 200:18:02And I can tell you there's just as much opportunity There's a lot we can go get. It's just going to take time. Speaker 400:18:10Got it. Thanks a lot for all the color. I'll hop back in Speaker 200:18:14queue. Thanks, Steve. Operator00:18:17Thank you. Next question today is coming from Dan Moore from CJS Securities. Your line is now live. Speaker 500:18:24Hi, this is Will on for Dan. Has there been any noticeable pickup in demand for used units relative to what you and the industry is experiencing in terms of retail demand for new units? Speaker 200:18:37100%. I mean that there is so much demand for used units. In particular, if you can find like 2016 to 2021, that stuff is liquid gold. And we're seeing gigantic grosses, really, really quick turns. I was looking at our sales report last night and the buying team bought a 2018 TIP and bus and I think we made a $30,000 gross profit on it sold in 5 days. Speaker 200:19:08And that's just on the front. That's not even the financing piece. So I mean, when you can buy those units the right way, that's what customers want. That's where affordability is much better. They don't have the price inflation that you saw through the pandemic and through today. Speaker 200:19:23And on the motorized side in particular, I mean, the chassis manufacturers haven't dropped their pricing. And so, yes, towable costs are coming down on the new vehicle but the motorized piece has been a lot tougher not to crack. So, yes, in short, without being too long winded, all the used we can buy that we can buy right is get snapped up really, really quickly and for healthy gross margin and that's why we're so focused on it. Speaker 500:19:49All right. That's very helpful. Thank you for the color. And then what are your expectations for gross profit per unit for both new and used for Q2 relative to Q1? And then how should we think about the cadence over the balance of the year? Speaker 200:20:06Well, it's a tough question. I mean, we typically don't provide detailed guidance. And I would say in this environment, that's an even tougher question to answer because I think the balance that we're trying to figure out here is volume versus price and what happens in the market. I think what we talked about in April March in particular, as we started to put pricing back up because inventory got healthy on the new side, demand wasn't where we wanted it to be. And I think that's because there's still a lot of dealers that have 2022s and 2023s on the ground and they're significantly discounted in many cases below the dealer's cost. Speaker 200:20:50And that problem is not getting any better every month. And so I think the incremental marginal customer that doesn't have a preference for a new unit as a current model year is going to go take those bargains. And so that's been the part we've had to really balance because as we started to bring grosses up on the new side, what we saw is the volume started to suffer. And that's kind of a difficult question to answer going forward because I don't know how long that inventory issue is going to be in the competitors' lot traffic. So I want to be careful on that one. Speaker 200:21:29I think what I said is we saw improvement in April. We saw improvement in May. Our inventory is very healthy. So I don't think it's going to be anything like what we saw in Q1. I'm not sure it's going to go back to where it was in the Q2 of last year. Speaker 200:21:45On the used side, that feels a lot more like it's been historically. We had some aged used pieces that we needed to work through in the Q1 too. And so that suppressed our used margin a little bit as well. And I think we're in really good shape there too. And I mean we took our loss, you can see on the wholesale line on the P and L and we took losses in the Q1 to move through some stuff that we needed to get rid of. Speaker 200:22:09And we did all that. So used, I would say, is going to be more normal as you're thinking about the modeling. But new is probably worth still being a little bit conservative on just because we've got to continue to work the volume piece and that's why we're so focused on F and I. Speaker 500:22:25Okay, great. Thank you for the color. And then what are your expectations for operating cash flow as well as CapEx for Q2 and the balance of the year? Speaker 200:22:36CapEx, we've got some pieces that we're working through that were in flight. That's tapering off and I would suspect that you'll see something similar in the Q2 to what you saw in the first and then it should be pretty much done. From a cash flow perspective, I think our expectation is that we're going to be on an operating cash flow basis, the adjusted operating cash flow that's where you take into effect the floor plan financing and we break out that in our earnings release. You can see that calculation, but our expectation is that's positive for the year. I'm not sure that I can give you a quarter by quarter because some of it's timing related with floor plan and AP and things that can swing and fluctuate just depending on when a month ends or whatever happens. Speaker 500:23:26All right, great. Thank you for taking my questions. Speaker 300:23:30Sure. Operator00:23:31Thank you. Next question today is coming from Mike Swartz from Truist Securities. Your line is now live. Speaker 600:23:39Good morning, guys. And maybe, John, just to follow-up on an answer that you had to a prior question. Maybe just a strategic level, in terms of your new product portfolio, I guess, how do you think about the balance between motorized versus towable? And I know this is a business that has gone and leaned more heavily into towable over the past decade certainly. But just given some of the challenges in motorized, it seemed maybe a little more structural near term in terms of cost inflation, affordability, residual values. Speaker 600:24:15How do you think about the right way to kind of balance Towable Motorized stocking going forward? Speaker 200:24:22Well, I think it depends. It's a pretty nuanced question. So I mean, I can try to unpack it a couple of ways. I think if you take a dealership like our store in Tampa that's been known for literally decades as one of the places, the premier places to buy motorized units. I think something like 30% of what Tampa sells having a 25% or 30% motorized mix is totally fine. Speaker 200:25:01I think conversely, if you take our store in Tulsa, Oklahoma, I'm not sure that stocking a lot of motorized units there makes as much sense as really leaning into the towables and travel trailers and 5th wheels. So I think it depends a little bit on where we are in the country, the brands that we represent and what the store has been known for. So that's how I think about it in our kind of business. But as it pertains to like the more industry wide conversation, what I would say is there are still some pockets of motorized that are really, really important. For example, if you look at like C Class C stuff, which is like a larger unit than a B band, which is unusual to me not being super familiar with the industry. Speaker 200:25:51But the C stuff, it's been really profitable for us the whole time. I would say we've seen, A, the big diesel pushers in particular have been really, really slow this year. Those are really typically very expensive units, and I think we're being very careful there. And then the B vans were historically incredibly profitable, and there were a couple of OEMs that were early to come out with the Sprinter van that they converted into a unit you could camp in. But I would say over the last 24 months that's become very saturated and everybody has V band product. Speaker 200:26:24And so I think you've got to be very careful in that segment too. But in short, I mean we're pretty committed to motorized. I think what we're seeing right now is that a lot of people who've been in the lifestyle are locked out because they have negative equity. And so you're seeing a shift to the low end stuff because it's first time buyers. They can just come in and they want to camp $5 a day or whatever the advertisement is. Speaker 200:26:50And that's why they've been taking share, but I don't think that's a structural change in the market. I think motorized will always be there. I just think we have to be really thoughtful in terms of how we pursue it and we'll see how the market develops. I don't think you're going to see us move away from it. I think we just are being careful because there's definitely a slowdown in some of those segments in terms of demand right now. Speaker 200:27:14But that's not any different than high end 5th wheels or really expensive travel trailers too. I mean that stuff also you need to be careful on. Speaker 600:27:23Okay. Thank you. And just maybe to parse some of the commentary, I think you made to another question previously on the little bit is there a way to think about the comparable new unit volume was down 11% in the Q1? Is there any way to think about how that looks thus far in Q2 relative to that Q1 number? Speaker 200:27:50Well, I think it's too soon to tell. I think it's too soon to tell. And to be frank with you, it's not something that I monitor on a daily basis in terms of that percentage change. So I'm not sure I can even commit it to memory. What I would say is that we're seeing definitely some improved traffic as we move into the summer. Speaker 200:28:14And seasonally, as you get into the spring and May in particular, you do see a pickup. And I would say just anecdotally, I would say relative to April, May feels like it's a little stronger in terms of demand. But I don't know if that's because there are fewer deals out there for other dealers that we didn't see or if the market is getting better. I mean, we're just one data point here in a pretty rich tapestry. So I don't know that I want to call a trend. Speaker 200:28:42We'd obviously like to see more demand. And I think from what I read at least from the OEM side, it seems like they're all 3.25 to 3.50 in terms of retail sales and those numbers seem to tick down every time they talk about it. They've got a better perspective than we do because they see the whole country. But we remain optimistic that we'll continue to see the strength that we've seen so far in May. And we're obviously pushing and pivoting and trying new strategies with marketing and other things that could hopefully differentiate our results relative to the competition as well. Speaker 200:29:15So we're going to keep grinding on it. I think there's an opportunity for us to continue to see the momentum improve. That's what we're focused on. Speaker 400:29:24Thank you. Speaker 200:29:27Sure. Operator00:29:27Thank you. Next question is coming from Brandon Roll from D. A. Davidson. Your line is now live. Speaker 400:29:33Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. First, just on the restocking in this environment, could you talk about your rationale for kind of leaning into taking on more new and used inventory ahead of the model year 2025 rollout? I know on the used side, it seems like one of your larger competitors has actually been pulling back on used procurement throughout the 1st part of the year. But on the new side, it seems like you guys were I think you had talked about helping the OEMs continue to run their factories. Speaker 400:30:04Can you just talk about rationale there on both sides? Thank you. Sure. Speaker 200:30:11I would say we're being pretty careful on the new side. I mean we're at 3,600 units on the ground today new and compared to November of last year we were 4,700. So that's a pretty significant change. If you don't have it, you can't sell it. And so you got to be thoughtful about that. Speaker 200:30:35And a lot of our partnerships with our OEMs at this point stretch decades back. And they're doing their best to try to be thoughtful and cut production where they can and give us incentives. And we try to be thoughtful and where we can commit to take certain models that we think we can turn and keep that spirit of partnership alive. But I would say in general, we've been really careful. Our inventory is really healthy and we've been thinking a lot about making sure that when 25s do hit, we've got the capacity to take those on. Speaker 200:31:07On the used side, I'm not sure I understand behind the curtain at our competitors and that's always a dangerous thing to speculate about. What I can tell you we've experienced is 6 times the lead volume on used units that are on our website versus new and customers that are looking for affordable options as long as you can buy things correctly. And so I think we're being really targeted around the used inventory we are purchasing. I would say in general, you're not seeing us buy a lot of really late model used stuff. We're tending to avoid that. Speaker 200:31:42It has a little bit of a maybe overhang on it in the consumer's mind in terms of quality as it was built during the pandemic. But the stuff that's earlier than that is, like I said earlier, I think I used the expression liquid gold. I mean that stuff goes quick. So that's, I would say a little more nuance. It's not just buy used or don't buy used and we don't make crazy whipsaw adjustments here. Speaker 200:32:06I mean this is targeted and I mean, literally Amber approves almost every used unit we buy, especially when you get into the higher end stuff, it's certainly going to her. So I mean, this is like a tactical thing that's executed literally piece by piece in our inventory. That's how much of a laser focus we have on it. Speaker 400:32:24Okay, great. And just on the model year 25 rollout, I know the model year 25 bidding process is going on right now or closing relatively shortly. What's your best guess on where pricing is going for the new model year based on what you've heard from your OEM partners and given the current retail environment, obviously, a very price conscious consumer? Speaker 200:32:47Yes. I think on the towable side, we expect maybe a couple percent increase, at least from what we heard early on from some of our partners. So not a significant increase, but definitely a little higher. And then on the motorized side, boy, I'm dying here. Excuse me. Speaker 200:33:15On the motorized side, it will be higher than that just because of chassis prices. The chassis manufacturers, I think, are still trying to build to their capacity and they haven't yet restocked their channel. And so those prices haven't come down and that's the majority of the cost in that motorized unit. So I would expect that's going to be higher and so that's why you're seeing some new models come out. And that's why we're really focused on used and the towable side. Speaker 400:33:46Okay. Okay, great. And just finally, you have exposure to Grand Design. Obviously, there's been more publicity about the flex frame issues and kind of just people seeing their chassis crack or the welding in the frames. Could you comment on your experience with the flex frame issues and any, I guess, service or I guess maintenance concerns from it? Speaker 200:34:11No, I don't know if you saw this. The Grand Design just came out with a 5 year warranty retroactive for all their customers. And I tip my hat to Don and the whole team there. I mean they really stepped up and handled things exactly the way that they should have. And I think to whatever extent an issue and I'm not sitting in the service department to see it every day, but I think they took a lot of the concerns off the table because they stood behind their product. Speaker 200:34:36And that's why they're such an important partner to us. And we have a lot of important partners, but Grand Design is near or at the top of the list for us. And it's because they do things like that and they stand behind their product and they make good stuff. And so we remain supportive and fans of Grand Design. Speaker 400:34:54Great. Thank you. Operator00:34:56Thank you. We've reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over for any further or closing comments. Speaker 200:35:02Thanks for tuning in. We'll talk to you guys soon. Operator00:35:06Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Lazydays Holdings First Quarter 2024 Conference Call. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to introduce your host, Kelly Porter, Chief Financial Officer. Thank you. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:16Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. On the call with me today are John North, CEO and Amber Dillard, Vice President of Operations. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that we will be discussing forward looking information, including potential future financial performance, which is subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from such forward looking statements and information. Such risks, uncertainties, assumptions and other factors are identified in our earnings release and other periodic filings with the SEC as well as the Investor Relations section of our website. Accordingly, forward looking statements should not be relied upon as a prediction of actual results, and any or all of our forward looking statements may prove to be inaccurate. Speaker 100:01:00We can make no guarantees about our future performance, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise our forward looking statements. On this call, we will discuss certain non GAAP financial measures. Please refer to our earnings release, which is available on our website, for how we define these measures and reconciliations to the closest comparable GAAP measures. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to John North, our Chief Executive Officer. Speaker 200:01:24Thanks, Kelly. Good morning, everybody. Thanks for calling in. As usual, I'll kick things off. I'll let Amber talk about operations. Speaker 200:01:34Kelly can speak to the financial results and then we'll hopefully take a couple of questions. We along with the rest of the industry have been working hard to adapt to the current retail environment, namely sales softness coupled with an industry wide inventory overhang of aging 20222023 units. To that end, we've been focused on what we can control. 1st, inventory health 2nd, increasing used procurement 3rd, driving finance and insurance performance higher and 4th, controlling cost. I'm pleased to report we've made significant progress in all these areas since we spoke to you about 60 days ago. Speaker 200:02:11The variable in the equation that has been outside of our control is retail demand. The increase in sales velocity we expected through March April did not materialize. Based on the most recent SSI data, Nationwide new unit sales were down in March over 17% from 2023. We performed better than the market, but still saw year over year declines. We attribute this to 3 factors. Speaker 200:02:341st is lower consumer demand. 2nd is negative equity on many units purchased during the pandemic. And third is dealers that we compete against that were slower to respond and discount aging inventory did so and that drove consumer traffic towards their better deals and away from our healthier priced offerings. Fortunately, we have fantastic partners with our OEMs, lenders and investors. We've received continued financial support on our units and inventory, flexibility on our credit facility again this month and a further injection of liquidity, raising $15,000,000 through an expansion of our mortgage financing. Speaker 200:03:09Our cash position today is almost unchanged from where we ended the Q1 It remains almost 20% higher than where we finished the Q3 of 2023. In summary, our inventory is healthy. We are driving operational improvements and vehicle gross profit per unit continues to improve, but increasing unit volume continues to be elusive. Given the start to the year and our outlook for the rest of 2024, we are projecting a pre tax loss, but anticipate positive EBITDA and adjusted free cash flow. Finally, the team is engaged, working hard together and continues to identify ways to pursue every retail opportunity that is available in the market. Speaker 200:03:47I want to thank all of our employees for their hard work. And with that, I'll let Amber take it over. Speaker 300:03:52Thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. As previously mentioned, we have continued to focus on improving our inventory health. To recall the journey we have been on, in early November, we had approximately 12022 model year units and over 20 2023 model year units in stock. As of yesterday, we were down to 5 20 22 units and just under 32023 units remaining. We have also reduced our on ground new inventory from over 4,700 units in November to under 3,600 today. Speaker 300:04:26As of today, more than 90% of our inventory is 2024 or 2025 model year. We believe this is among the healthiest in the industry. Additionally, our OEM partners are thoughtfully and slowly introducing 2025 model year units, of which we currently have less than 50 in stock. They are slowing model year change where they can to preserve the pricing power on 20 24 units. Another area of strength is our approach to our used inventory. Speaker 300:04:55We have made a concerted effort to ramp up our internal purchasing activity and the team has acquired more units sequentially every month this year. Given our focus on reducing new inventory at year end, we slowed our used unit acquisition cadence in the Q4 but have increased it significantly over the last 75 days with an incremental effort in May that is delivering more than 4x higher lead volume compared to April. A used unit typically generates 5 to 6 times more lead volume than a new unit, which therefore drives more potential customers into our sales funnel with fewer units in stock. Current gross profit per unit on inventory bought from consumers has been consistent with our pre pandemic historical results, we are doing everything we can to generate more leads, more purchases from consumers and thereby more traffic and revenue to our stores. Another focus has been S and I. Speaker 300:05:53We have been making meaningful improvements in our results due to enhancing our people, process and product. To provide a couple of examples, our S and I per unit on a same store basis increased $170 per unit year over year despite average selling prices on units declining by over 13%. Our financing penetration on units increased from 50 9% in March and is at 75% so far in May without the benefit of having as many aggressively priced units that are easier to finance due to a lower loan to value ratio. I am proud of our financial services managers for the effort they have shown to increase our gross profit generation in this critical revenue stream. Finally, regarding cost control relative to last year, we are within 20 basis points of SG and A as a percentage of revenue in the Q1, while total revenue declined 8.5%, and we have 7 more locations in operations compared to 2023. Speaker 300:06:57The absolute change in SG and A expense is lower by almost $4,000,000 or over 8.5% on an absolute basis. Overall, the opportunities for self help in generating optimum performance for our stores remain substantial and achievable. We look forward to providing incremental updates as the operations team has additional time to drive these improvements. Finally, I'd like to echo John's comments and thank our employees. We have a mission, culture and focus that is second to none in the industry. Speaker 300:07:29We are aligned and all pulling together, and I am both humbled and honored to lead our store personnel. With that, I'll turn the call over to Kelly. Speaker 100:07:39Thank you, Amber. Please note that unless stated otherwise, the 2024 Q1 comparisons are versus the same period in 2023. Total revenue for the quarter was $270,600,000 a decrease of 8.5%. From this point on, all metrics will be on a same store basis unless otherwise stated. New unit sales declined 11.1% in the quarter and gross profit per unit excluding LIFO declined 75.7% as a result of our aggressive discounting of 20222023 model year units. Speaker 100:08:13Used retail unit sales decreased 4.6% and gross profit per unit decreased 51.4%. Finance and insurance revenue declined 5.6% during the quarter, primarily due to a decrease in unit volume and higher charge backs. As Amber mentioned, F and I per unit increased 3.3% despite lower average selling prices and fewer unit sales. Our service body and parts revenue decreased 20.6% and our gross profit decreased by 18.9%. Our gross margin on service body and parts increased 120 basis points. Speaker 100:08:50Adjusted net loss was 21 point $4,000,000 for the quarter compared to net income of $1,200,000 last year. Adjusted fully diluted earnings per share was a loss of $1.63 for the quarter compared to 0 in the prior year. Moving on to liquidity and capital allocation. On May 15, we raised an additional $15,000,000 of capital generated through mortgage financing on owned real estate. The mortgage facility has a current balance of $50,000,000 and includes real estate with a basis approximately $127,000,000 We estimate we can generate an additional $45,000,000 in mortgage proceeds by refinancing these locations at a 75% loan to value rate similar to the other properties we financed earlier in 2023. Speaker 100:09:35Working with our syndicated lenders, we received of our financial covenants through the Q1 of 2025. I want to thank our bank partners for their partnership to allow us the room to navigate the current economic environment and focus on improving operating results throughout 2024. With that, we can open the call to questions. Operator? Operator00:10:15Our first question is coming from Steve Dyer from Craig Hallum. Your line is now live. Speaker 400:10:21Thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just kind of a question on new vehicle gross margin at a level that I don't think I've seen or you've imagined probably is that just a function of kind of blowing out old model year or fixed cost absorption or all of the above? Speaker 200:10:43Hey, Steve, good to hear from you. I think in short, you described it well, probably lower than anybody could imagine. But yes, that's exactly what happened. I mean we've seen our new vehicle gross margins recover pretty dramatically in April and so far into May. I think the big change for us in the Q1 was really needing to get through a lot of that inventory and get healthy and we saw the writing on the wall and took our pain and moved through it. Speaker 200:11:16And that's what happened. I think what we were hoping would happen in March April as we would see seasonality pick up and we sell some more units. The grosses are there on the 24s in particular. We're paying a lot of attention to the quantity of inventory. And Amber talked about that. Speaker 200:11:34We're down to 3,700 units less than I think as of today, which is way light even compared to where we were this time last year with a lot more stores now. And we did that for a couple of reasons. Number 1, we want to make sure we're really careful with the high end and the motorized pieces because those have been even slower to move. I think everybody's seen the low end towables are where it's at. Amber was sharing with me morning over 30% of what we sold this year in the travel trailer segment is under $30, which is way different than our mix has been historically. Speaker 200:12:09And we've focused on that intentionally, but that's also where the market is, to be frank. I mean, Coleman has been the number one trailer from SSI 3 months in a row this year, and that's like a $12,000 or $15,000 unit. So we've been thoughtful about the high end heavy product as well, the motorized product, and that doesn't generate the grosses that it has historically because we've been trying to turn it faster with floorplan financing at 8%. Funding a $500,000 or $700,000 unit gets pretty costly every month if you're not turning them. So it's a combination of all those things. Speaker 200:12:44I think in short, we feel really good over the inventory is the grosses are there. We're just hoping and trying to do everything we can to drive more retail sales and really leading into use because that's where the market is. Speaker 400:12:58Yes, that's really helpful. Thanks, John. I mean, as it relates to mix, it sounds like you have the late model stuff where you want it. Do you have the mix to the Coleman's of the world where it needs to be relative to demand right now? Speaker 200:13:14Yes. I mean, fortunately, Amber has run our supply chain for a better part of a decade and has really good relationships with OEMs and is able to get product at the right price points. I mean, I call out a couple of things. We've got the product, the Catalina stuff that's done for us. That's a really good price point, pretty competitive at that entry level, first time buyer price point. Speaker 200:13:40And then even like Grand Design, they're coming out with the low end stuff that's more affordable because they see where the market is. And they're our number one partner in terms of units. I mean, I think 40% of what we sold in 2023 was Grand Design. So yes, we can get it. That's where the market is. Speaker 200:13:57You see the margin differences when you look at us versus Camping World. So obviously, on a much lower ASP, you can see a margin in the teens, but there's a balance there because we are also a really good partner with an Entegra, Newmar, a Tiffin that sells the higher end motorized stuff for has been phenomenal to us. And so we want to keep everybody happy as best we can. We're trying to buy units and keep their factories moving and be a good partner. And also be really careful to protect ourselves because when you get heavy on inventory, it starts to age, you end up having the last 6 months that we've had and that's not very much fun. Speaker 200:14:37And I think that's where the industry has been. I just think a lot of dealers do it in private because they don't put their quarterly results out like we do. Speaker 400:14:46Aren't you happy you get to do that? When you started, just kind of Lithia background and so forth, parts and service sort of a focus and I don't know to the degree you've been able to do what you want to do just given you've been triaging in some of these other areas but can you kind of give a little bit of color kind of what you're working on there and how that's going relative to expectations? Speaker 200:15:14Sure. I mean, I think you're right. We've had to focus on the sales side of the organization and we leaned in pretty heavy starting about, I would say, August of last year and we're really laser focused on sales. I think, obviously, there's always incremental things you're doing on the sales side or any part of the business. But in particular, like F and I was just such an opportunity for us, we needed to start there. Speaker 200:15:43I mean, there's 1,000 of dollars per unit being left on the table if we can continue to drive on performance and improvement there. But I think as we got through the end of the year and into January, we've been pivoting our focus now into service. And you're exactly right. I mean that to me is one of the foundational things that is more consistent in this business. And there's a reason that we call it fixed operations. Speaker 200:16:09It's supposed to help cover your fixed costs. And if you think about sizing it, I mean, I think for UP Justice, we're at 5.5% of revenue, was service of the total. That should be 10 plus. So that's an area where there is tremendous opportunity and capacity. And we've done so many things behind the scenes. Speaker 200:16:32We just brought in new recruiters, technical recruiters. We're partnering with trade schools to get more technicians. There's so much low hanging fruit there and opportunity. But anytime you're making people changes at any level, it always takes longer to really see that pay off. And so it's probably not going to be something we're going to turn on in a quarter. Speaker 200:16:55And so as everybody is thinking about their model, I think be gentle. But in terms of where the long term where this business could be, I think it easily be 10% plus and the gross margin is higher than in automotive. I mean, it's typically to see a 60% gross margin and in a well run service department, you can do a 25%, 30% operating margin. I mean that's a really, really good consistent business. And I think for whatever reason where we find ourselves, we just haven't emphasized it the way that we should. Speaker 200:17:27And what we kind of jokingly say in the businesses, sales sells the first one and service sells the second and third. And if you take care of customers and you make their product usable and unfortunately these are homes on wheels, they get towed at 75 miles an hour and things go wrong. If you can overcome those things, you create really good value prop and the OEMs love you, the customers are happy, there's really good recurring revenue. So we're working on it. It's just to your point, we've had to triage a lot of things, But it's been a big focus area the last 30, 45 days for us. Speaker 200:18:02And I can tell you there's just as much opportunity There's a lot we can go get. It's just going to take time. Speaker 400:18:10Got it. Thanks a lot for all the color. I'll hop back in Speaker 200:18:14queue. Thanks, Steve. Operator00:18:17Thank you. Next question today is coming from Dan Moore from CJS Securities. Your line is now live. Speaker 500:18:24Hi, this is Will on for Dan. Has there been any noticeable pickup in demand for used units relative to what you and the industry is experiencing in terms of retail demand for new units? Speaker 200:18:37100%. I mean that there is so much demand for used units. In particular, if you can find like 2016 to 2021, that stuff is liquid gold. And we're seeing gigantic grosses, really, really quick turns. I was looking at our sales report last night and the buying team bought a 2018 TIP and bus and I think we made a $30,000 gross profit on it sold in 5 days. Speaker 200:19:08And that's just on the front. That's not even the financing piece. So I mean, when you can buy those units the right way, that's what customers want. That's where affordability is much better. They don't have the price inflation that you saw through the pandemic and through today. Speaker 200:19:23And on the motorized side in particular, I mean, the chassis manufacturers haven't dropped their pricing. And so, yes, towable costs are coming down on the new vehicle but the motorized piece has been a lot tougher not to crack. So, yes, in short, without being too long winded, all the used we can buy that we can buy right is get snapped up really, really quickly and for healthy gross margin and that's why we're so focused on it. Speaker 500:19:49All right. That's very helpful. Thank you for the color. And then what are your expectations for gross profit per unit for both new and used for Q2 relative to Q1? And then how should we think about the cadence over the balance of the year? Speaker 200:20:06Well, it's a tough question. I mean, we typically don't provide detailed guidance. And I would say in this environment, that's an even tougher question to answer because I think the balance that we're trying to figure out here is volume versus price and what happens in the market. I think what we talked about in April March in particular, as we started to put pricing back up because inventory got healthy on the new side, demand wasn't where we wanted it to be. And I think that's because there's still a lot of dealers that have 2022s and 2023s on the ground and they're significantly discounted in many cases below the dealer's cost. Speaker 200:20:50And that problem is not getting any better every month. And so I think the incremental marginal customer that doesn't have a preference for a new unit as a current model year is going to go take those bargains. And so that's been the part we've had to really balance because as we started to bring grosses up on the new side, what we saw is the volume started to suffer. And that's kind of a difficult question to answer going forward because I don't know how long that inventory issue is going to be in the competitors' lot traffic. So I want to be careful on that one. Speaker 200:21:29I think what I said is we saw improvement in April. We saw improvement in May. Our inventory is very healthy. So I don't think it's going to be anything like what we saw in Q1. I'm not sure it's going to go back to where it was in the Q2 of last year. Speaker 200:21:45On the used side, that feels a lot more like it's been historically. We had some aged used pieces that we needed to work through in the Q1 too. And so that suppressed our used margin a little bit as well. And I think we're in really good shape there too. And I mean we took our loss, you can see on the wholesale line on the P and L and we took losses in the Q1 to move through some stuff that we needed to get rid of. Speaker 200:22:09And we did all that. So used, I would say, is going to be more normal as you're thinking about the modeling. But new is probably worth still being a little bit conservative on just because we've got to continue to work the volume piece and that's why we're so focused on F and I. Speaker 500:22:25Okay, great. Thank you for the color. And then what are your expectations for operating cash flow as well as CapEx for Q2 and the balance of the year? Speaker 200:22:36CapEx, we've got some pieces that we're working through that were in flight. That's tapering off and I would suspect that you'll see something similar in the Q2 to what you saw in the first and then it should be pretty much done. From a cash flow perspective, I think our expectation is that we're going to be on an operating cash flow basis, the adjusted operating cash flow that's where you take into effect the floor plan financing and we break out that in our earnings release. You can see that calculation, but our expectation is that's positive for the year. I'm not sure that I can give you a quarter by quarter because some of it's timing related with floor plan and AP and things that can swing and fluctuate just depending on when a month ends or whatever happens. Speaker 500:23:26All right, great. Thank you for taking my questions. Speaker 300:23:30Sure. Operator00:23:31Thank you. Next question today is coming from Mike Swartz from Truist Securities. Your line is now live. Speaker 600:23:39Good morning, guys. And maybe, John, just to follow-up on an answer that you had to a prior question. Maybe just a strategic level, in terms of your new product portfolio, I guess, how do you think about the balance between motorized versus towable? And I know this is a business that has gone and leaned more heavily into towable over the past decade certainly. But just given some of the challenges in motorized, it seemed maybe a little more structural near term in terms of cost inflation, affordability, residual values. Speaker 600:24:15How do you think about the right way to kind of balance Towable Motorized stocking going forward? Speaker 200:24:22Well, I think it depends. It's a pretty nuanced question. So I mean, I can try to unpack it a couple of ways. I think if you take a dealership like our store in Tampa that's been known for literally decades as one of the places, the premier places to buy motorized units. I think something like 30% of what Tampa sells having a 25% or 30% motorized mix is totally fine. Speaker 200:25:01I think conversely, if you take our store in Tulsa, Oklahoma, I'm not sure that stocking a lot of motorized units there makes as much sense as really leaning into the towables and travel trailers and 5th wheels. So I think it depends a little bit on where we are in the country, the brands that we represent and what the store has been known for. So that's how I think about it in our kind of business. But as it pertains to like the more industry wide conversation, what I would say is there are still some pockets of motorized that are really, really important. For example, if you look at like C Class C stuff, which is like a larger unit than a B band, which is unusual to me not being super familiar with the industry. Speaker 200:25:51But the C stuff, it's been really profitable for us the whole time. I would say we've seen, A, the big diesel pushers in particular have been really, really slow this year. Those are really typically very expensive units, and I think we're being very careful there. And then the B vans were historically incredibly profitable, and there were a couple of OEMs that were early to come out with the Sprinter van that they converted into a unit you could camp in. But I would say over the last 24 months that's become very saturated and everybody has V band product. Speaker 200:26:24And so I think you've got to be very careful in that segment too. But in short, I mean we're pretty committed to motorized. I think what we're seeing right now is that a lot of people who've been in the lifestyle are locked out because they have negative equity. And so you're seeing a shift to the low end stuff because it's first time buyers. They can just come in and they want to camp $5 a day or whatever the advertisement is. Speaker 200:26:50And that's why they've been taking share, but I don't think that's a structural change in the market. I think motorized will always be there. I just think we have to be really thoughtful in terms of how we pursue it and we'll see how the market develops. I don't think you're going to see us move away from it. I think we just are being careful because there's definitely a slowdown in some of those segments in terms of demand right now. Speaker 200:27:14But that's not any different than high end 5th wheels or really expensive travel trailers too. I mean that stuff also you need to be careful on. Speaker 600:27:23Okay. Thank you. And just maybe to parse some of the commentary, I think you made to another question previously on the little bit is there a way to think about the comparable new unit volume was down 11% in the Q1? Is there any way to think about how that looks thus far in Q2 relative to that Q1 number? Speaker 200:27:50Well, I think it's too soon to tell. I think it's too soon to tell. And to be frank with you, it's not something that I monitor on a daily basis in terms of that percentage change. So I'm not sure I can even commit it to memory. What I would say is that we're seeing definitely some improved traffic as we move into the summer. Speaker 200:28:14And seasonally, as you get into the spring and May in particular, you do see a pickup. And I would say just anecdotally, I would say relative to April, May feels like it's a little stronger in terms of demand. But I don't know if that's because there are fewer deals out there for other dealers that we didn't see or if the market is getting better. I mean, we're just one data point here in a pretty rich tapestry. So I don't know that I want to call a trend. Speaker 200:28:42We'd obviously like to see more demand. And I think from what I read at least from the OEM side, it seems like they're all 3.25 to 3.50 in terms of retail sales and those numbers seem to tick down every time they talk about it. They've got a better perspective than we do because they see the whole country. But we remain optimistic that we'll continue to see the strength that we've seen so far in May. And we're obviously pushing and pivoting and trying new strategies with marketing and other things that could hopefully differentiate our results relative to the competition as well. Speaker 200:29:15So we're going to keep grinding on it. I think there's an opportunity for us to continue to see the momentum improve. That's what we're focused on. Speaker 400:29:24Thank you. Speaker 200:29:27Sure. Operator00:29:27Thank you. Next question is coming from Brandon Roll from D. A. Davidson. Your line is now live. Speaker 400:29:33Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. First, just on the restocking in this environment, could you talk about your rationale for kind of leaning into taking on more new and used inventory ahead of the model year 2025 rollout? I know on the used side, it seems like one of your larger competitors has actually been pulling back on used procurement throughout the 1st part of the year. But on the new side, it seems like you guys were I think you had talked about helping the OEMs continue to run their factories. Speaker 400:30:04Can you just talk about rationale there on both sides? Thank you. Sure. Speaker 200:30:11I would say we're being pretty careful on the new side. I mean we're at 3,600 units on the ground today new and compared to November of last year we were 4,700. So that's a pretty significant change. If you don't have it, you can't sell it. And so you got to be thoughtful about that. Speaker 200:30:35And a lot of our partnerships with our OEMs at this point stretch decades back. And they're doing their best to try to be thoughtful and cut production where they can and give us incentives. And we try to be thoughtful and where we can commit to take certain models that we think we can turn and keep that spirit of partnership alive. But I would say in general, we've been really careful. Our inventory is really healthy and we've been thinking a lot about making sure that when 25s do hit, we've got the capacity to take those on. Speaker 200:31:07On the used side, I'm not sure I understand behind the curtain at our competitors and that's always a dangerous thing to speculate about. What I can tell you we've experienced is 6 times the lead volume on used units that are on our website versus new and customers that are looking for affordable options as long as you can buy things correctly. And so I think we're being really targeted around the used inventory we are purchasing. I would say in general, you're not seeing us buy a lot of really late model used stuff. We're tending to avoid that. Speaker 200:31:42It has a little bit of a maybe overhang on it in the consumer's mind in terms of quality as it was built during the pandemic. But the stuff that's earlier than that is, like I said earlier, I think I used the expression liquid gold. I mean that stuff goes quick. So that's, I would say a little more nuance. It's not just buy used or don't buy used and we don't make crazy whipsaw adjustments here. Speaker 200:32:06I mean this is targeted and I mean, literally Amber approves almost every used unit we buy, especially when you get into the higher end stuff, it's certainly going to her. So I mean, this is like a tactical thing that's executed literally piece by piece in our inventory. That's how much of a laser focus we have on it. Speaker 400:32:24Okay, great. And just on the model year 25 rollout, I know the model year 25 bidding process is going on right now or closing relatively shortly. What's your best guess on where pricing is going for the new model year based on what you've heard from your OEM partners and given the current retail environment, obviously, a very price conscious consumer? Speaker 200:32:47Yes. I think on the towable side, we expect maybe a couple percent increase, at least from what we heard early on from some of our partners. So not a significant increase, but definitely a little higher. And then on the motorized side, boy, I'm dying here. Excuse me. Speaker 200:33:15On the motorized side, it will be higher than that just because of chassis prices. The chassis manufacturers, I think, are still trying to build to their capacity and they haven't yet restocked their channel. And so those prices haven't come down and that's the majority of the cost in that motorized unit. So I would expect that's going to be higher and so that's why you're seeing some new models come out. And that's why we're really focused on used and the towable side. Speaker 400:33:46Okay. Okay, great. And just finally, you have exposure to Grand Design. Obviously, there's been more publicity about the flex frame issues and kind of just people seeing their chassis crack or the welding in the frames. Could you comment on your experience with the flex frame issues and any, I guess, service or I guess maintenance concerns from it? Speaker 200:34:11No, I don't know if you saw this. The Grand Design just came out with a 5 year warranty retroactive for all their customers. And I tip my hat to Don and the whole team there. I mean they really stepped up and handled things exactly the way that they should have. And I think to whatever extent an issue and I'm not sitting in the service department to see it every day, but I think they took a lot of the concerns off the table because they stood behind their product. Speaker 200:34:36And that's why they're such an important partner to us. And we have a lot of important partners, but Grand Design is near or at the top of the list for us. And it's because they do things like that and they stand behind their product and they make good stuff. And so we remain supportive and fans of Grand Design. Speaker 400:34:54Great. Thank you. Operator00:34:56Thank you. We've reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over for any further or closing comments. Speaker 200:35:02Thanks for tuning in. 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