NASDAQ:LASR nLIGHT Q1 2024 Earnings Report $7.25 -0.08 (-1.09%) Closing price 04/15/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$6.94 -0.31 (-4.33%) As of 07:54 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast nLIGHT EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.29Consensus EPS -$0.30Beat/MissBeat by +$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/AnLIGHT Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$44.53 millionExpected Revenue$44.35 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$180.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AnLIGHT Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/2/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, May 2, 2024Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsnLIGHT's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 8, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by nLIGHT Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 2, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome to the nLIGHT First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the call to Joe Corso, CFO. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:37Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm Joe Corso, Enlight's Chief Financial Officer. With me today is Scott Keeney, Enlight's Chairman and CEO. Today's discussion will contain forward looking statements, including financial projections and plans for our business, some of which are beyond our control, including the risks and uncertainties described from time to time in our SEC filings. Our results may differ materially from those projected on today's call, and we undertake no obligation to update publicly any forward looking statement except as required by law. Speaker 100:01:08During the call, we will be discussing certain non GAAP financial measures. We have provided reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings release, which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. I will now turn the call over to Scott. Speaker 200:01:26Thank you, Joe. 1st quarter revenue of $44,500,000 and overall gross margins of approximately 17% were within the guidance range. Continued careful management of operating expenses, working capital and capital expenditures enabled us to increase cash, cash coupons and investments to $121,000,000 with no debt. As discussed last quarter, we believe Q1 is our trough revenue quarter and expect growth in the second quarter. We also expect the second half of the year to be stronger than the first half of 2024 with increasing visibility for continued growth driven by our defense business. Speaker 200:02:06Before turning to the details of the quarter, I would like to reflect upon nLIGHT's recent history and business transition. We founded nLIGHT with the vision that laser technology would improve at a rapid rate and open up new applications for lasers in both commercial and defense markets. This past week marked the 6th anniversary of our IPO. Since then, we've experienced important changes in our business. Some of the changes have been beyond our control, the most significant of which was a rapid and dramatic geopolitical shift with respect to China. Speaker 200:02:38In the face of this change, we made several fundamental changes to our business to position ourselves for manufacturer. We developed innovative products for a nascent but fast growing metal additive manufacturing market. We acquired Neutronics to deepen our presence in directed energy and we pursued and won multiple new defense contracts. These changes have been a drag on our income statement performance, but through disciplined OpEx control and working capital management, our balance sheet is strong and we are well positioned for growth. This growth will be driven by our dual use strategy. Speaker 200:03:20We serve both the commercial and defense end markets, each of which has its own set of growth drivers and visibility. To understand our long term revenue opportunity, it's important to review what we believe is possible in each of these core markets. Aerospace and Defense has emerged as the most significant growth opportunity we have in front of us today. NLIGHT has been focused on the aerospace and defense market since inception and our most recent investments in technology and capabilities positions us for significant growth in this market. We are working on programs with strategic importance to the U. Speaker 200:03:52S. Government and with funded backlog plus contract value exceeding $300,000,000 we have strong visibility into our revenue pipeline over the next several years. Geopolitical unrest and ongoing military complex in the Middle East, Ukraine and elsewhere are driving the need for more sophisticated cost effective defense solutions built upon semiconductor and fiber laser technology. The COVID-nineteen pandemic highlighted the fragility of the global supply chain and a critical need to bolster domestic infrastructure required to support the U. S. Speaker 200:04:24Defense base. Our defense business spans a wide range of laser based allies. More specifically, there are 2 areas of our aerospace and defense business that are driving our growth, laser sensing and directed energy. Laser sensing products use lasers for object detection, measurement and inspection and are used in a wide range of land, sea, air and increasingly space applications. A few examples of our laser sensing products include missile guidance, proximity detection, range finding and countermeasures. Speaker 200:05:04Our products have been incorporated into several significant and long running defense programs and are expected to enable several new classified large programs. In directed energy, we are designing and building solutions aimed at defeating a growing range of threats to military forces and infrastructure and offer significant advantages over traditional kinetic weapons, including speed of light engagement, low cost per shot and deep magazines. We believe that a combination of our leading technology capabilities and U. S.-based vertically integrated business model provides us with significant competitive differentiation in this market. Our broad portfolio of products for the directed energy market, which includes semiconductor lasers, fiber amplifiers, beam combined lasers and beam control solutions enables us to engage strategically with domestic and beam control solutions enables us to engage strategically with domestic and international partners across the entire directed energy ecosystem. Speaker 200:05:58As a result, we expect strong growth in aerospace and defense business in 2024 with further upside in future years based on current contracts and potential future awards. Turning to our commercial markets. In microfabrication, we pioneered the development of single emitter fiber coupled semiconductor lasers and have been a market leader in this area for many years. Our patented high brightness high power semiconductor lasers are a critical enabling component of many of the leading pulse lasers available in the market today. We continue to see increasing number of laser based manufacturing processes across a wide range of applications in the auto, communications and electronics industries. Speaker 200:06:42We are also in the early stages of adoption of lasers in a handful of medical applications. Taken together, we believe that our microfabrication business is relatively steady and will grow modestly over time. In industrial, where we serve the cutting, well-being and additive manufacturing markets, our growth picture is more mixed in the near term. Although each of our markets have specific opportunities and challenges, pervasive inventory corrections combined with persistently soft demand across the industry is impacting each of the end markets we serve today. In cutting, the industry and our business continue to shift towards higher power solutions. Speaker 200:07:18Cutting represents the largest portion of our industrial business today and is comprised primarily of our programmable fiber lasers. Although competition from Chinese manufacturers has impacted sales of our standard lower powered lasers, we continue to deliver innovative programmable lasers that are seeking flexible solutions that deliver superior edge quality and overall machine tool performance. Over time, we expect our high power fiber lasers to continue to displace legacy cutting technologies and will open up additional market applications. In Welding, we are focused primarily on the battery and EV market. Welding is a relatively small part of our business today in terms of both revenue and internal resources, but we are optimistic for growth. Speaker 200:08:03We're developing innovative products that address our customers' most critical pain points and initial customer engagement with products we intend to release over the coming months has been positive. In additive manufacturing, we continue to see strong long term growth prospects. We are working closely with multiple strategic customers to drive broader adoption of additive manufacturing across multiple industries. Fundamentally, we believe the adoption and growth of the metal additive manufacturing market will be driven by higher tool productivity resulting in lower overall part cost. The advantages of our Corona AFX lasers are clear. Speaker 200:08:41Additive manufacturing tools using Krona AFX have been widely demonstrated to increase build rates by a factor of 2 to 8 times, which substantially reduces part cost. Although our additive business is not a driver of our year over year growth in 2024, primarily due to the challenges of a single customer, Broader customer engagement has been strong and we expect growth to resume in a much more significant way in 2025 and beyond. Overall, although we expect our commercial business in microfabrication and industrial to grow over time, we expect 2024 will be a down year from a top line perspective. Turning to the details for the quarter. In Aerospace and Defense, 1st quarter revenue increased 3% year over year to $21,700,000 representing 49% of total revenue. Speaker 200:09:33During the quarter, we continue to execute on our key directed energy programs, healthy 2 and DEM progressing well. In industrial, 1st quarter revenue decreased 40% year over year to $12,000,000 representing 27% of total revenue. While sales of programmable lasers into the cutting market increased year over year, sales of non programmable lasers decreased significantly and revenue from a key additive customer last year did not repeat in Q1. In microfabrication, 1st quarter revenue decreased 17% year over year to $10,800,000 representing 24% of total revenue. We continue to work closely with our key strategic customers, but demand has been soft for the last several quarters. Speaker 200:10:21In summary, although the Q1 was challenging from a revenue perspective, we believe we were well positioned for growth going forward. 2023 marked a significant shift in both our overall business and manufacturing strategy and we are confident that we are aligned with the right markets, customers and programs to drive long term growth. Our balance sheet is strong and our world class engineering team continues to introduce innovative products for both commercial and defense markets. As I indicated last quarter, I remain optimistic for growth in 2024 and for a renewed momentum to carry into the next year and beyond. With that, I will turn the call over to Joe to discuss our Q1 financial results. Speaker 100:11:03Thank you, Scott. Total revenue in the Q1 of 2024 was $44,500,000 above the midpoint of guidance, but down $9,600,000 or 18% compared to $54,100,000 in the Q1 of 2023. Q1 aerospace and defense revenue increased 3% year over year, but was offset by a decrease from the industrial and microfabrication markets. Product revenue was $29,400,000 compared to $41,100,000 in the Q1 of 2023 and development revenue was $15,200,000 compared to $13,000,000 for the Q1 of 2023. Overall gross margin in the Q1 of 2024 was 17%, near the midpoint of guidance compared to 26% in the Q1 of 2023. Speaker 100:11:53Products gross margin was 21% compared to 33% in the Q1 of 2023 and development gross margin was 9% compared to 5% in the Q1 of 2023. As expected, products gross margin in the Q1 of 2024 was negatively impacted by a decrease in production volumes and low absorption of our manufacturing costs. We expect products gross margin to improve as overall volumes increase as we move through 2024. The improvement in development gross margin for the Q1 of 2024 compared to the prior year is the result of new development contracts awarded in the second half of twenty twenty three. Turning to OpEx. Speaker 100:12:35Non GAAP operating expenses were $17,200,000 in the Q1 of 2024 compared to $17,300,000 in the Q1 of 2023. Adjusted EBITDA for the Q1 of 2024 was a loss of 4,900,000 dollars slightly above the high end of guidance compared to $1,300,000 of positive EBITDA in the Q1 of 2023. The decrease in adjusted EBITDA was driven by the decrease in gross profit due to lower overall revenue and gross margin. Net loss on a GAAP basis was $13,800,000 or $0.29 per diluted share compared with a GAAP net loss in the Q1 of 2023 of $7,700,000 or $0.17 per diluted share. Turning to the balance sheet. Speaker 100:13:22Our balance sheet remains strong as we ended the Q1 with total cash, cash equivalents, restricted cash and investments of $121,300,000 and no debt. Total cash and investments increased by $8,200,000 during the quarter. Cash provided by operating activities was $11,400,000 compared to a use of cash in operating activities of $600,000 in the Q1 of 2023. Capital expenditures were $1,600,000 compared to $700,000 for the Q1 of 2023. Inventory remained relatively flat during the quarter at approximately $53,000,000 Accounts receivable decreased by approximately $12,000,000 to $27,500,000 as a result of strong collections and timing of customer payments. Speaker 100:14:12As noted last quarter, maintaining a strong balance sheet remains a key focus of the company. Strong OpEx control coupled with careful working capital management and CapEx investment has enabled us to maintain a balance sheet that we believe will enable us to achieve our long term growth objectives. Turning to guidance. Based on the information available today, we expect revenue for the Q2 to be in the range of $47,000,000 to $51,000,000 The midpoint of approximately $49,000,000 includes approximately $34,000,000 of product revenue and $15,000,000 of development revenue. Turning to gross margin. Speaker 100:14:492nd quarter products gross margin is expected to be in the range of 23% to 27% and development gross margin to be approximately 9%, resulting in an overall gross margin range of 18% to 22%. As we've mentioned previously, as a vertically integrated manufacturing business, gross margin improvement is highly dependent on production volumes and absorption of fixed manufacturing costs. In Q2, we expect to have better absorption of our manufacturing costs than we did in Q1 and we expect gross margin to improve further as production volumes and revenue are expected to increase as we move through 2024. Finally, we expect adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter to be in the range of negative $1,000,000 to negative $5,000,000 We continue to expect breakeven adjusted EBITDA with quarterly revenue in the $55,000,000 to $60,000,000 range. With that, I will turn the call over to the operator for questions. Operator00:15:43Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Today's first question comes from Greg Palm with Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:16:13Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to start around Scott, I think you mentioned the term increasing visibility. And I guess maybe a 2 part question. Number 1, you said you remain optimistic for growth in this for the full year, which obviously implies a pretty big ramp in the second half. Speaker 300:16:38So maybe talk about what your visibility levels are there. But also you talked about increasing visibility, I think, for growth next year as well or strong growth. And I'm just curious if that's just around timing of what has currently been won, if it's new orders, if it's pipeline, what gives you that confidence to use again the term increased visibility? Speaker 200:17:02Yes, happy to address it, Greg. First of all, in our last call, we talked about the backlog, strong backlog we had going into the year, but with the expectation that Q1 was going to be low. And that backlog that I referred to then has continued to improve. And that gives us the visibility not only into the second half of the year but for further growth. That backlog is largely around majority of it is in DoD based applications. Speaker 200:17:36And so we see continued opportunities for growth both in directed energy and in our sensing space. And I think the one example of that that is public that is a broad catalyst for our the overall D community is the supplemental bill that passed Congress for 1,200,000,000 dollars to procure iron beam lasers. That's one example of various initiatives that are going on with respect to lasers. Speaker 300:18:20Got it. And I guess, I'm curious outside of A and D or maybe more so, do you feel like when the market turns that this could become a growth driver? Again, I think you talked about it not being a growth driver this year. I think you've talked about additive as being maybe a better growth driver for next year. But I'm just curious how much of it is market related? Speaker 300:18:50How much of it is competition related? And if the market gets better, do you think you're positioned to capitalize on that? Or is it just you're focusing a lot more on some of these A and D applications in the recent past? Speaker 200:19:04Yes. Thanks for following up on that, Greg, because I do think that additive remains an important growth driver. And it's disappointing to see the reduction in our growth there due to one customer. We're working closely with their management and as they build their organization, we're certainly supporting their plans for growth, but that certainly is disappointing for this year. We are engaged across a much wider range of applications in additive and there we do see opportunities for growth. Speaker 200:19:41We do see additive as a market that well in which our differentiated technology enables our customers to drive further growth by increasing productivity and reducing the part cost for these 3 d printed metal parts. We'll be releasing more information at an upcoming rapid trade show in June. There'll be more information there. But there we see growth driven by design wins that we're working on. Speaker 300:20:15Okay, great. I will leave it there. Thanks. Operator00:20:19Thank you. The next question is from Jim Ricchiuti with Needham and Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:20:25Hi, thanks. Good afternoon. When would you anticipate the commercial business troughing? Or do you think it trough in Q1? Because it sounds like you're still seeing very difficult conditions in both microfabrication and certainly in industrial. Speaker 200:20:43Yes. I think, Jim, thanks for the question. I think that we do see some of the difficult macro conditions for sure. But as I mentioned with respect to additive, it had more to do with particular situation with 1 customer. So we do see growth as we release new products that expand our design wins and expand our presence in additive and also as we release new products in cutting and welding also. Speaker 200:21:18So we do see growth there. We have better visibility into more substantial growth in A and D, but we do see growth in industrial also. Speaker 400:21:28Got it. What are you seeing in the microfabrication business, because it's a lot more diverse and I feel like we've been talking about weakness in that market for just a prolonged period of time. And I'm wondering, is this structurally had things changed there? Is it a competitive are there different competitive forces? Or are we just in are just a real challenging market, whether it's end market semi or just some of the other end markets. Speaker 400:21:57When would you anticipate the microfabrication piece turning? Would you anticipate that anticipate that leading industrial? Or how are you thinking about a recovery in that part of the business? Speaker 200:22:10Yes. Thanks, Jim. It is complex and it is challenging. There's no question about it that the end markets in microfabrication certainly the electronics supply chain end markets are challenging as it relates to adjustments, geopolitical adjustments otherwise with respect to U. S, Europe, China, etcetera. Speaker 200:22:36Having said that, we do have a presence in the medical space that we do categorize microfabrication. That is an area where we are seeing signs of growth. We're seeing some new applications in other areas of microfabrication. But I think it is fair to say that, that remains a challenging sector Speaker 100:22:57for us. And Jim, this is Joe. There is not as much visibility in our microfabrication business as in the industrial business and certainly in the A and D business. And so that business can come back relatively fast without us necessarily seeing it multiple quarters ahead, right? So the first part of your question is also, are we seeing any sort of structural shifts or changes in competitive dynamics, right? Speaker 100:23:27The answer to that is not really, right? So a lot of what we're experiencing right now is just the general malaise in that market, which has been where last couple of quarters at very similar levels for us. Speaker 400:23:42And then the last question for me is just on the A and D side and I think you talked about backlog and much of that backlog is of course DoD driven. But what are you seeing in terms of activity on the international side of the business? And follow-up just broadly speaking on the A and D side since it's difficult sometimes for us to really track what's happening there. Are there any milestones we should be thinking about over the near term in that part of the business? Speaker 200:24:21Good. Let me address your first question, Jim, on the international side. I did note that it's not only U. S. Programs, but also our engagement in international programs and those continue to expand. Speaker 200:24:38And in Direct Energy, in particular, the interest from a broad range of our allies has continued to grow as conflicts continue to demonstrate the need for non kinetic defense systems. I highlighted the supplemental for Israel that is a very, very big catalyst in the market. But there are other programs. I think the U. K. Speaker 200:25:11Announced their demonstration and there are other programs that we hope to be able to provide more information about in the coming quarters. With respect to other milestones, the big programs that we've got over the next couple of quarters, there's not a clear set of milestones that I can highlight right now. I will say that we are making progress as we integrate the technology to higher levels. And certainly as we're able to, we'll announce results. Thank Speaker 300:25:53you. Operator00:25:55Thank you. The next question comes from Reuben Roy with Stifel. Please go Speaker 500:26:00ahead. Thanks. Scott, the first question, I guess, would be just a follow-up on sort of what you just talked about with milestones and how to think about that for both this year and longer term. And I guess that in the context of increasing visibility around defense revenue later this year. You cited sort of one example of what gives you increased visibility, which is sort of more discussion from the government around kind of what they want to do with lasers and that type of thing. Speaker 500:26:33So would you characterize the increasing visibility as more along the lines of government interest and actions around your technology? Or is there some function of some of the programs that you've been working on for quite a while now and that are in various phases? Are you I know you can't talk too much about milestones with us, but are you getting more comfortable around reaching those milestones, which is giving you visibility? Speaker 200:27:03Yes. Rupin, I like how you frame that because it's really both. Let me answer the second part of your question first. Yes, so the current programs that we have are very important ones. We're continuing to scale power to much higher levels with the healthy program and we continue to make progress there. Speaker 200:27:26The Army's AMShore program is a very important program that we continue to make progress against. And there are other programs that we have in house today. But then in addition to that, I think the interest in this area, the understanding of the importance of this area, in particular the understanding of just one benefit of directed energy is the economics. And I think that has been shown recently and that's becoming, let's just say, better understood that it's important to have a portfolio of of defensive technologies. And so that interest also is expanding at the same time that we're making progress against our current programs. Speaker 500:28:19Very helpful. Thank you, Scott. And as a follow-up, I wanted to maybe ask a longer term and higher level strategic question around the commercial markets. I assume even with sort of this prolonged environment, which has been challenging, that there's still a lot of activity going on from a development and innovation perspective. And so when you kind of take a step back and look at your various areas of technology, is the strategy still the same? Speaker 500:28:52I mean, are you still as excited about these markets that you've outlined? And thank you for doing that, meaning cutting, medical devices, welding, additive manufacturing and some of the other markets? Or given that we've got this lull period, Scott, would you say that it might be time to take a look at potentially some other some of these areas that might be worth investing more in. For instance, it seems like welding could be a very interesting TAM expansion opportunity for fiber lasers, whereas cutting you might have more competition coming online both in China and ex China. So just wondering if the strategy around commercial markets has changed at all or if you're kind of going full speed ahead as you have been? Speaker 200:29:43Yes, good. I appreciate that question because it is something that I want to highlight and in subsequent calls, I look forward to being able to announce new product introductions. I think as these markets shift over time, our product strategy certainly has adjusted and certainly the sort of standard lasers that go into say cutting tools that isn't a core focus for us. But the enhanced performance that we have with our Corona technology and some other software that we add on to the lasers allows us to do things for customers that others can't do and that opens up new applications. I've noted thicker metal cutting is one example in the cutting market. Speaker 200:30:26In Welding, you're right, we have a very limited presence in that market. So we do see opportunities for growth there certainly in the EV battery space. And again, in upcoming calls, I hope to be able to share new product announcements. There's a big battery show where we'll be attending. And as I mentioned in additive also, there's the rapid trade show in June. Speaker 200:30:51So we are investing in expanding our the performance of our lasers for these end markets. And I think that's one of the shifts we see is that customers are looking for more reliable, higher performance laser and I'll call them subsystems that enable them to do more than they were able to do before and that's opening up new markets for us. Speaker 500:31:17Got it. Thank you, Scott. And I guess I could just sneak one last one in for Joe. I dialed in a little bit late to the call, Joe, but 90 days into the year here, anything changed one way or the other on how you're thinking about OpEx? I know you've given us guidance near term, but generally speaking, as you think about the year and how it's going to play out, now that you have a little more visibility and how the second half might work out an update on how you're thinking about spending plans would be helpful? Speaker 100:31:45Yes. No major changes to our plans for spending, Ruben. Think you'll see some variable spending come through for bonuses and things like that as we make our way through the year. But with the we're expecting the growth that in the second half of the year, We want that to really flow through. I think we are pretty well situated from both labor and materials plan for the balance of the year to achieve what we need to achieve in 2024 and set ourselves up well for 2025 beyond. Speaker 100:32:23So there's no major plans to significantly change OpEx as we move through the year. I mean, certainly, we are not trying to choke down OpEx to the extent that we are giving up growth opportunities. So we're still spending to support the growth, but beyond that, no major changes from what we had talked about in prior quarters. Speaker 500:32:50Perfect. Thanks, gents. Speaker 100:32:52Thank you. Operator00:32:55Thank you. The next question comes from Mark Miller with The Benchmark Company. Please go Speaker 400:33:00ahead. Thank you for the question. You're projecting growth later this year and you're pointing to improvements in the backlog that you've seen, which are being driven by, I guess, DoD contracts, but you're also projecting margin improvements. Now the DoD contracts typically carry margins that are below kind of corporate margins. I'm just wondering where the growth in the margins is coming on, is that just higher sales? Speaker 100:33:29Yes. Primarily, Mark, thanks for the question. Primarily, it's from the fact that we're just going to run more volume through our facility. And remember, on the DoD contracts, we are both doing development work and also building products and components that we are selling through into those programs. So to the extent that we're building more products and a lot of that is going to be driven by what we're doing in defense, Gross margins are expected to improve as we move through the course of the year. Speaker 100:34:00We're not projecting that there is going to be major changes in mix. Really what we're suffering from today is just a lack of absorption of fixed costs. And hopefully, we see that ameliorate as our product revenue grows throughout the year. Speaker 400:34:16Thank you. Speaker 100:34:17Thank you. Operator00:34:19Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Joe Corso for closing remarks. Speaker 100:34:27Yes. Thank you everyone for joining this afternoon and for your continued interest in nLIGHT. We look forward to speaking with you during the quarter. Have a great afternoon. Operator00:34:37The conference has now concluded. Thank you for your participation. 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Email Address About nLIGHTnLIGHT (NASDAQ:LASR) designs, develops, manufactures, and sells semiconductor and fiber lasers for industrial, microfabrication, and aerospace and defense applications. The company operates in two segments, Laser Products and Advanced Development. It offers semiconductor lasers with various ranges of power levels, wavelengths, and output fiber sizes; and programmable and serviceable fiber lasers for use in industrial and aerospace and defense applications. The company also provides laser sensors, including light detection and ranging technologies for intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance applications; and fiber amplifiers, beam combination, and control systems for use in high-energy laser systems in directed energy applications. It sells its products through direct sales force in the United States, China, South Korea, and European countries, as well as through independent sales representatives and distributors in Asia, Australia, Europe, the Middle East, and South America. The company was formerly known as nLight Photonics Corporation and changed its name to nLIGHT, Inc. in January 2016. nLIGHT, Inc. was incorporated in 2000 and is headquartered in Camas, Washington.View nLIGHT ProfileRead more More Earnings Resources from MarketBeat Earnings Tools Today's Earnings Tomorrow's Earnings Next Week's Earnings Upcoming Earnings Calls Earnings Newsletter Earnings Call Transcripts Earnings Beats & Misses Corporate Guidance Earnings Screener Earnings By Country U.S. Earnings Reports Canadian Earnings Reports U.K. Earnings Reports Latest Articles Johnson & Johnson Earnings Were More Good Than Bad—Time to Buy? 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome to the nLIGHT First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the call to Joe Corso, CFO. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:37Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm Joe Corso, Enlight's Chief Financial Officer. With me today is Scott Keeney, Enlight's Chairman and CEO. Today's discussion will contain forward looking statements, including financial projections and plans for our business, some of which are beyond our control, including the risks and uncertainties described from time to time in our SEC filings. Our results may differ materially from those projected on today's call, and we undertake no obligation to update publicly any forward looking statement except as required by law. Speaker 100:01:08During the call, we will be discussing certain non GAAP financial measures. We have provided reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings release, which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. I will now turn the call over to Scott. Speaker 200:01:26Thank you, Joe. 1st quarter revenue of $44,500,000 and overall gross margins of approximately 17% were within the guidance range. Continued careful management of operating expenses, working capital and capital expenditures enabled us to increase cash, cash coupons and investments to $121,000,000 with no debt. As discussed last quarter, we believe Q1 is our trough revenue quarter and expect growth in the second quarter. We also expect the second half of the year to be stronger than the first half of 2024 with increasing visibility for continued growth driven by our defense business. Speaker 200:02:06Before turning to the details of the quarter, I would like to reflect upon nLIGHT's recent history and business transition. We founded nLIGHT with the vision that laser technology would improve at a rapid rate and open up new applications for lasers in both commercial and defense markets. This past week marked the 6th anniversary of our IPO. Since then, we've experienced important changes in our business. Some of the changes have been beyond our control, the most significant of which was a rapid and dramatic geopolitical shift with respect to China. Speaker 200:02:38In the face of this change, we made several fundamental changes to our business to position ourselves for manufacturer. We developed innovative products for a nascent but fast growing metal additive manufacturing market. We acquired Neutronics to deepen our presence in directed energy and we pursued and won multiple new defense contracts. These changes have been a drag on our income statement performance, but through disciplined OpEx control and working capital management, our balance sheet is strong and we are well positioned for growth. This growth will be driven by our dual use strategy. Speaker 200:03:20We serve both the commercial and defense end markets, each of which has its own set of growth drivers and visibility. To understand our long term revenue opportunity, it's important to review what we believe is possible in each of these core markets. Aerospace and Defense has emerged as the most significant growth opportunity we have in front of us today. NLIGHT has been focused on the aerospace and defense market since inception and our most recent investments in technology and capabilities positions us for significant growth in this market. We are working on programs with strategic importance to the U. Speaker 200:03:52S. Government and with funded backlog plus contract value exceeding $300,000,000 we have strong visibility into our revenue pipeline over the next several years. Geopolitical unrest and ongoing military complex in the Middle East, Ukraine and elsewhere are driving the need for more sophisticated cost effective defense solutions built upon semiconductor and fiber laser technology. The COVID-nineteen pandemic highlighted the fragility of the global supply chain and a critical need to bolster domestic infrastructure required to support the U. S. Speaker 200:04:24Defense base. Our defense business spans a wide range of laser based allies. More specifically, there are 2 areas of our aerospace and defense business that are driving our growth, laser sensing and directed energy. Laser sensing products use lasers for object detection, measurement and inspection and are used in a wide range of land, sea, air and increasingly space applications. A few examples of our laser sensing products include missile guidance, proximity detection, range finding and countermeasures. Speaker 200:05:04Our products have been incorporated into several significant and long running defense programs and are expected to enable several new classified large programs. In directed energy, we are designing and building solutions aimed at defeating a growing range of threats to military forces and infrastructure and offer significant advantages over traditional kinetic weapons, including speed of light engagement, low cost per shot and deep magazines. We believe that a combination of our leading technology capabilities and U. S.-based vertically integrated business model provides us with significant competitive differentiation in this market. Our broad portfolio of products for the directed energy market, which includes semiconductor lasers, fiber amplifiers, beam combined lasers and beam control solutions enables us to engage strategically with domestic and beam control solutions enables us to engage strategically with domestic and international partners across the entire directed energy ecosystem. Speaker 200:05:58As a result, we expect strong growth in aerospace and defense business in 2024 with further upside in future years based on current contracts and potential future awards. Turning to our commercial markets. In microfabrication, we pioneered the development of single emitter fiber coupled semiconductor lasers and have been a market leader in this area for many years. Our patented high brightness high power semiconductor lasers are a critical enabling component of many of the leading pulse lasers available in the market today. We continue to see increasing number of laser based manufacturing processes across a wide range of applications in the auto, communications and electronics industries. Speaker 200:06:42We are also in the early stages of adoption of lasers in a handful of medical applications. Taken together, we believe that our microfabrication business is relatively steady and will grow modestly over time. In industrial, where we serve the cutting, well-being and additive manufacturing markets, our growth picture is more mixed in the near term. Although each of our markets have specific opportunities and challenges, pervasive inventory corrections combined with persistently soft demand across the industry is impacting each of the end markets we serve today. In cutting, the industry and our business continue to shift towards higher power solutions. Speaker 200:07:18Cutting represents the largest portion of our industrial business today and is comprised primarily of our programmable fiber lasers. Although competition from Chinese manufacturers has impacted sales of our standard lower powered lasers, we continue to deliver innovative programmable lasers that are seeking flexible solutions that deliver superior edge quality and overall machine tool performance. Over time, we expect our high power fiber lasers to continue to displace legacy cutting technologies and will open up additional market applications. In Welding, we are focused primarily on the battery and EV market. Welding is a relatively small part of our business today in terms of both revenue and internal resources, but we are optimistic for growth. Speaker 200:08:03We're developing innovative products that address our customers' most critical pain points and initial customer engagement with products we intend to release over the coming months has been positive. In additive manufacturing, we continue to see strong long term growth prospects. We are working closely with multiple strategic customers to drive broader adoption of additive manufacturing across multiple industries. Fundamentally, we believe the adoption and growth of the metal additive manufacturing market will be driven by higher tool productivity resulting in lower overall part cost. The advantages of our Corona AFX lasers are clear. Speaker 200:08:41Additive manufacturing tools using Krona AFX have been widely demonstrated to increase build rates by a factor of 2 to 8 times, which substantially reduces part cost. Although our additive business is not a driver of our year over year growth in 2024, primarily due to the challenges of a single customer, Broader customer engagement has been strong and we expect growth to resume in a much more significant way in 2025 and beyond. Overall, although we expect our commercial business in microfabrication and industrial to grow over time, we expect 2024 will be a down year from a top line perspective. Turning to the details for the quarter. In Aerospace and Defense, 1st quarter revenue increased 3% year over year to $21,700,000 representing 49% of total revenue. Speaker 200:09:33During the quarter, we continue to execute on our key directed energy programs, healthy 2 and DEM progressing well. In industrial, 1st quarter revenue decreased 40% year over year to $12,000,000 representing 27% of total revenue. While sales of programmable lasers into the cutting market increased year over year, sales of non programmable lasers decreased significantly and revenue from a key additive customer last year did not repeat in Q1. In microfabrication, 1st quarter revenue decreased 17% year over year to $10,800,000 representing 24% of total revenue. We continue to work closely with our key strategic customers, but demand has been soft for the last several quarters. Speaker 200:10:21In summary, although the Q1 was challenging from a revenue perspective, we believe we were well positioned for growth going forward. 2023 marked a significant shift in both our overall business and manufacturing strategy and we are confident that we are aligned with the right markets, customers and programs to drive long term growth. Our balance sheet is strong and our world class engineering team continues to introduce innovative products for both commercial and defense markets. As I indicated last quarter, I remain optimistic for growth in 2024 and for a renewed momentum to carry into the next year and beyond. With that, I will turn the call over to Joe to discuss our Q1 financial results. Speaker 100:11:03Thank you, Scott. Total revenue in the Q1 of 2024 was $44,500,000 above the midpoint of guidance, but down $9,600,000 or 18% compared to $54,100,000 in the Q1 of 2023. Q1 aerospace and defense revenue increased 3% year over year, but was offset by a decrease from the industrial and microfabrication markets. Product revenue was $29,400,000 compared to $41,100,000 in the Q1 of 2023 and development revenue was $15,200,000 compared to $13,000,000 for the Q1 of 2023. Overall gross margin in the Q1 of 2024 was 17%, near the midpoint of guidance compared to 26% in the Q1 of 2023. Speaker 100:11:53Products gross margin was 21% compared to 33% in the Q1 of 2023 and development gross margin was 9% compared to 5% in the Q1 of 2023. As expected, products gross margin in the Q1 of 2024 was negatively impacted by a decrease in production volumes and low absorption of our manufacturing costs. We expect products gross margin to improve as overall volumes increase as we move through 2024. The improvement in development gross margin for the Q1 of 2024 compared to the prior year is the result of new development contracts awarded in the second half of twenty twenty three. Turning to OpEx. Speaker 100:12:35Non GAAP operating expenses were $17,200,000 in the Q1 of 2024 compared to $17,300,000 in the Q1 of 2023. Adjusted EBITDA for the Q1 of 2024 was a loss of 4,900,000 dollars slightly above the high end of guidance compared to $1,300,000 of positive EBITDA in the Q1 of 2023. The decrease in adjusted EBITDA was driven by the decrease in gross profit due to lower overall revenue and gross margin. Net loss on a GAAP basis was $13,800,000 or $0.29 per diluted share compared with a GAAP net loss in the Q1 of 2023 of $7,700,000 or $0.17 per diluted share. Turning to the balance sheet. Speaker 100:13:22Our balance sheet remains strong as we ended the Q1 with total cash, cash equivalents, restricted cash and investments of $121,300,000 and no debt. Total cash and investments increased by $8,200,000 during the quarter. Cash provided by operating activities was $11,400,000 compared to a use of cash in operating activities of $600,000 in the Q1 of 2023. Capital expenditures were $1,600,000 compared to $700,000 for the Q1 of 2023. Inventory remained relatively flat during the quarter at approximately $53,000,000 Accounts receivable decreased by approximately $12,000,000 to $27,500,000 as a result of strong collections and timing of customer payments. Speaker 100:14:12As noted last quarter, maintaining a strong balance sheet remains a key focus of the company. Strong OpEx control coupled with careful working capital management and CapEx investment has enabled us to maintain a balance sheet that we believe will enable us to achieve our long term growth objectives. Turning to guidance. Based on the information available today, we expect revenue for the Q2 to be in the range of $47,000,000 to $51,000,000 The midpoint of approximately $49,000,000 includes approximately $34,000,000 of product revenue and $15,000,000 of development revenue. Turning to gross margin. Speaker 100:14:492nd quarter products gross margin is expected to be in the range of 23% to 27% and development gross margin to be approximately 9%, resulting in an overall gross margin range of 18% to 22%. As we've mentioned previously, as a vertically integrated manufacturing business, gross margin improvement is highly dependent on production volumes and absorption of fixed manufacturing costs. In Q2, we expect to have better absorption of our manufacturing costs than we did in Q1 and we expect gross margin to improve further as production volumes and revenue are expected to increase as we move through 2024. Finally, we expect adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter to be in the range of negative $1,000,000 to negative $5,000,000 We continue to expect breakeven adjusted EBITDA with quarterly revenue in the $55,000,000 to $60,000,000 range. With that, I will turn the call over to the operator for questions. Operator00:15:43Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Today's first question comes from Greg Palm with Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:16:13Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to start around Scott, I think you mentioned the term increasing visibility. And I guess maybe a 2 part question. Number 1, you said you remain optimistic for growth in this for the full year, which obviously implies a pretty big ramp in the second half. Speaker 300:16:38So maybe talk about what your visibility levels are there. But also you talked about increasing visibility, I think, for growth next year as well or strong growth. And I'm just curious if that's just around timing of what has currently been won, if it's new orders, if it's pipeline, what gives you that confidence to use again the term increased visibility? Speaker 200:17:02Yes, happy to address it, Greg. First of all, in our last call, we talked about the backlog, strong backlog we had going into the year, but with the expectation that Q1 was going to be low. And that backlog that I referred to then has continued to improve. And that gives us the visibility not only into the second half of the year but for further growth. That backlog is largely around majority of it is in DoD based applications. Speaker 200:17:36And so we see continued opportunities for growth both in directed energy and in our sensing space. And I think the one example of that that is public that is a broad catalyst for our the overall D community is the supplemental bill that passed Congress for 1,200,000,000 dollars to procure iron beam lasers. That's one example of various initiatives that are going on with respect to lasers. Speaker 300:18:20Got it. And I guess, I'm curious outside of A and D or maybe more so, do you feel like when the market turns that this could become a growth driver? Again, I think you talked about it not being a growth driver this year. I think you've talked about additive as being maybe a better growth driver for next year. But I'm just curious how much of it is market related? Speaker 300:18:50How much of it is competition related? And if the market gets better, do you think you're positioned to capitalize on that? Or is it just you're focusing a lot more on some of these A and D applications in the recent past? Speaker 200:19:04Yes. Thanks for following up on that, Greg, because I do think that additive remains an important growth driver. And it's disappointing to see the reduction in our growth there due to one customer. We're working closely with their management and as they build their organization, we're certainly supporting their plans for growth, but that certainly is disappointing for this year. We are engaged across a much wider range of applications in additive and there we do see opportunities for growth. Speaker 200:19:41We do see additive as a market that well in which our differentiated technology enables our customers to drive further growth by increasing productivity and reducing the part cost for these 3 d printed metal parts. We'll be releasing more information at an upcoming rapid trade show in June. There'll be more information there. But there we see growth driven by design wins that we're working on. Speaker 300:20:15Okay, great. I will leave it there. Thanks. Operator00:20:19Thank you. The next question is from Jim Ricchiuti with Needham and Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:20:25Hi, thanks. Good afternoon. When would you anticipate the commercial business troughing? Or do you think it trough in Q1? Because it sounds like you're still seeing very difficult conditions in both microfabrication and certainly in industrial. Speaker 200:20:43Yes. I think, Jim, thanks for the question. I think that we do see some of the difficult macro conditions for sure. But as I mentioned with respect to additive, it had more to do with particular situation with 1 customer. So we do see growth as we release new products that expand our design wins and expand our presence in additive and also as we release new products in cutting and welding also. Speaker 200:21:18So we do see growth there. We have better visibility into more substantial growth in A and D, but we do see growth in industrial also. Speaker 400:21:28Got it. What are you seeing in the microfabrication business, because it's a lot more diverse and I feel like we've been talking about weakness in that market for just a prolonged period of time. And I'm wondering, is this structurally had things changed there? Is it a competitive are there different competitive forces? Or are we just in are just a real challenging market, whether it's end market semi or just some of the other end markets. Speaker 400:21:57When would you anticipate the microfabrication piece turning? Would you anticipate that anticipate that leading industrial? Or how are you thinking about a recovery in that part of the business? Speaker 200:22:10Yes. Thanks, Jim. It is complex and it is challenging. There's no question about it that the end markets in microfabrication certainly the electronics supply chain end markets are challenging as it relates to adjustments, geopolitical adjustments otherwise with respect to U. S, Europe, China, etcetera. Speaker 200:22:36Having said that, we do have a presence in the medical space that we do categorize microfabrication. That is an area where we are seeing signs of growth. We're seeing some new applications in other areas of microfabrication. But I think it is fair to say that, that remains a challenging sector Speaker 100:22:57for us. And Jim, this is Joe. There is not as much visibility in our microfabrication business as in the industrial business and certainly in the A and D business. And so that business can come back relatively fast without us necessarily seeing it multiple quarters ahead, right? So the first part of your question is also, are we seeing any sort of structural shifts or changes in competitive dynamics, right? Speaker 100:23:27The answer to that is not really, right? So a lot of what we're experiencing right now is just the general malaise in that market, which has been where last couple of quarters at very similar levels for us. Speaker 400:23:42And then the last question for me is just on the A and D side and I think you talked about backlog and much of that backlog is of course DoD driven. But what are you seeing in terms of activity on the international side of the business? And follow-up just broadly speaking on the A and D side since it's difficult sometimes for us to really track what's happening there. Are there any milestones we should be thinking about over the near term in that part of the business? Speaker 200:24:21Good. Let me address your first question, Jim, on the international side. I did note that it's not only U. S. Programs, but also our engagement in international programs and those continue to expand. Speaker 200:24:38And in Direct Energy, in particular, the interest from a broad range of our allies has continued to grow as conflicts continue to demonstrate the need for non kinetic defense systems. I highlighted the supplemental for Israel that is a very, very big catalyst in the market. But there are other programs. I think the U. K. Speaker 200:25:11Announced their demonstration and there are other programs that we hope to be able to provide more information about in the coming quarters. With respect to other milestones, the big programs that we've got over the next couple of quarters, there's not a clear set of milestones that I can highlight right now. I will say that we are making progress as we integrate the technology to higher levels. And certainly as we're able to, we'll announce results. Thank Speaker 300:25:53you. Operator00:25:55Thank you. The next question comes from Reuben Roy with Stifel. Please go Speaker 500:26:00ahead. Thanks. Scott, the first question, I guess, would be just a follow-up on sort of what you just talked about with milestones and how to think about that for both this year and longer term. And I guess that in the context of increasing visibility around defense revenue later this year. You cited sort of one example of what gives you increased visibility, which is sort of more discussion from the government around kind of what they want to do with lasers and that type of thing. Speaker 500:26:33So would you characterize the increasing visibility as more along the lines of government interest and actions around your technology? Or is there some function of some of the programs that you've been working on for quite a while now and that are in various phases? Are you I know you can't talk too much about milestones with us, but are you getting more comfortable around reaching those milestones, which is giving you visibility? Speaker 200:27:03Yes. Rupin, I like how you frame that because it's really both. Let me answer the second part of your question first. Yes, so the current programs that we have are very important ones. We're continuing to scale power to much higher levels with the healthy program and we continue to make progress there. Speaker 200:27:26The Army's AMShore program is a very important program that we continue to make progress against. And there are other programs that we have in house today. But then in addition to that, I think the interest in this area, the understanding of the importance of this area, in particular the understanding of just one benefit of directed energy is the economics. And I think that has been shown recently and that's becoming, let's just say, better understood that it's important to have a portfolio of of defensive technologies. And so that interest also is expanding at the same time that we're making progress against our current programs. Speaker 500:28:19Very helpful. Thank you, Scott. And as a follow-up, I wanted to maybe ask a longer term and higher level strategic question around the commercial markets. I assume even with sort of this prolonged environment, which has been challenging, that there's still a lot of activity going on from a development and innovation perspective. And so when you kind of take a step back and look at your various areas of technology, is the strategy still the same? Speaker 500:28:52I mean, are you still as excited about these markets that you've outlined? And thank you for doing that, meaning cutting, medical devices, welding, additive manufacturing and some of the other markets? Or given that we've got this lull period, Scott, would you say that it might be time to take a look at potentially some other some of these areas that might be worth investing more in. For instance, it seems like welding could be a very interesting TAM expansion opportunity for fiber lasers, whereas cutting you might have more competition coming online both in China and ex China. So just wondering if the strategy around commercial markets has changed at all or if you're kind of going full speed ahead as you have been? Speaker 200:29:43Yes, good. I appreciate that question because it is something that I want to highlight and in subsequent calls, I look forward to being able to announce new product introductions. I think as these markets shift over time, our product strategy certainly has adjusted and certainly the sort of standard lasers that go into say cutting tools that isn't a core focus for us. But the enhanced performance that we have with our Corona technology and some other software that we add on to the lasers allows us to do things for customers that others can't do and that opens up new applications. I've noted thicker metal cutting is one example in the cutting market. Speaker 200:30:26In Welding, you're right, we have a very limited presence in that market. So we do see opportunities for growth there certainly in the EV battery space. And again, in upcoming calls, I hope to be able to share new product announcements. There's a big battery show where we'll be attending. And as I mentioned in additive also, there's the rapid trade show in June. Speaker 200:30:51So we are investing in expanding our the performance of our lasers for these end markets. And I think that's one of the shifts we see is that customers are looking for more reliable, higher performance laser and I'll call them subsystems that enable them to do more than they were able to do before and that's opening up new markets for us. Speaker 500:31:17Got it. Thank you, Scott. And I guess I could just sneak one last one in for Joe. I dialed in a little bit late to the call, Joe, but 90 days into the year here, anything changed one way or the other on how you're thinking about OpEx? I know you've given us guidance near term, but generally speaking, as you think about the year and how it's going to play out, now that you have a little more visibility and how the second half might work out an update on how you're thinking about spending plans would be helpful? Speaker 100:31:45Yes. No major changes to our plans for spending, Ruben. Think you'll see some variable spending come through for bonuses and things like that as we make our way through the year. But with the we're expecting the growth that in the second half of the year, We want that to really flow through. I think we are pretty well situated from both labor and materials plan for the balance of the year to achieve what we need to achieve in 2024 and set ourselves up well for 2025 beyond. Speaker 100:32:23So there's no major plans to significantly change OpEx as we move through the year. I mean, certainly, we are not trying to choke down OpEx to the extent that we are giving up growth opportunities. So we're still spending to support the growth, but beyond that, no major changes from what we had talked about in prior quarters. Speaker 500:32:50Perfect. Thanks, gents. Speaker 100:32:52Thank you. Operator00:32:55Thank you. The next question comes from Mark Miller with The Benchmark Company. Please go Speaker 400:33:00ahead. Thank you for the question. You're projecting growth later this year and you're pointing to improvements in the backlog that you've seen, which are being driven by, I guess, DoD contracts, but you're also projecting margin improvements. Now the DoD contracts typically carry margins that are below kind of corporate margins. I'm just wondering where the growth in the margins is coming on, is that just higher sales? Speaker 100:33:29Yes. Primarily, Mark, thanks for the question. Primarily, it's from the fact that we're just going to run more volume through our facility. And remember, on the DoD contracts, we are both doing development work and also building products and components that we are selling through into those programs. So to the extent that we're building more products and a lot of that is going to be driven by what we're doing in defense, Gross margins are expected to improve as we move through the course of the year. Speaker 100:34:00We're not projecting that there is going to be major changes in mix. Really what we're suffering from today is just a lack of absorption of fixed costs. And hopefully, we see that ameliorate as our product revenue grows throughout the year. Speaker 400:34:16Thank you. Speaker 100:34:17Thank you. Operator00:34:19Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Joe Corso for closing remarks. Speaker 100:34:27Yes. Thank you everyone for joining this afternoon and for your continued interest in nLIGHT. We look forward to speaking with you during the quarter. Have a great afternoon. Operator00:34:37The conference has now concluded. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by