NASDAQ:GDS GDS Q1 2024 Earnings Report $20.63 +0.23 (+1.13%) Closing price 04/15/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$18.44 -2.19 (-10.61%) As of 04/15/2025 08:00 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast GDS EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.27Consensus EPS -$0.33Beat/MissBeat by +$0.06One Year Ago EPSN/AGDS Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$363.89 millionExpected Revenue$366.92 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$3.03 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AGDS Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/22/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, May 22, 2024Conference Call Time8:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsGDS' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 20, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, May 21, 2025 at 8:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by GDS Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 22, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by for GDS Holdings Limited's First Quarter 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. After management's prepared remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Today's conference call is being recorded. Operator00:00:19I will now turn the call over to your host, Ms. Laura Chen, Head of Investor Relations for the company. Please go ahead, Laura. Speaker 100:00:27Thank you, operator. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Q1 2024 earnings conference call of GDS Holdings Limited. The company's results were issued via newswire services earlier today and posted online. A summary presentation, which we will refer to during this conference call, can be viewed and downloaded from our IR website at investorsgdsservices.com. Speaker 100:00:51Leading today's call is Mr. William Huang, GDS's Founder, Chairman and CEO, who will provide an overview of our business strategy and performance. Mr. Dan Newman, GDS CFO will then review the financial and operating results. Ms. Speaker 100:01:06Jamie Ku, CEO of GDS International is also available to answer questions. Before we continue, please note that today's discussion will contain forward looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provisions of the U. S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. Speaker 100:01:30As such, the company's results may be materially different from the views expressed today. Further information regarding these and other risks and uncertainties is included in the company's prospectus as filed with the U. S. SEC, and the company does not assume any obligation to update any forward looking statements except as required under applicable law. Please also note that GDS's earnings release earnings press release and this conference call include discussions of unaudited GAAP financial information as well as unaudited non GAAP financial measures. Speaker 100:02:07GDS's press release contains a reconciliation of the unaudited non GAAP measures to the unaudited most directly comparable GAAP measures. I'll now turn the call over to GDS's Founder, Chairman and CEO, William Huang. Please go ahead, William. Speaker 200:02:24Hello, everyone. This is William. Thank you for joining us on today's call. The top priority of GDS's senior management team is to create value for our shareholders and drive share price recovery. Our business now has 2 distinct segments, China and International. Speaker 200:02:47For China, we believe that the key to creating shareholder value is, 1st, to get back onto a higher growth track in terms of EBITDA 2nd, to generate a positive free cash flow before financing and reduce debt. And the 3rd, to position strategically for the coming AI wave. For international, the Series A capital raising sets a benchmark of nearly $4 per GDS share. We believe that this value will appreciate significantly as we build on our initial success. Now let's review our progress towards these goals in more detail, starting with China on Slide 5. Speaker 200:03:42The key to restoring higher growth in China is the moving rate. Over the past couple of years, we focused our sales efforts on opportunities with fast moving schedules and reasonable pricing. Even though the market as a whole slowed down, we've made good progress with winning this kind of business. The results of our efforts are now starting to become visible in our gross additional area utilized. In 1Q 'twenty four, the gross move in for China was 17,000 square meters, all of which was in Tier 1 markets. Speaker 200:04:33It's the highest since 2020. Going forward, based on contractual commitments in the backlog, we expect gross move in to continue at these higher levels. From the beginning of 1Q 2024, we stopped recognizing revenue and deducted 12,000 square meters from our area utilized for 3 BOT data centers, which we plan to transfer to the customer on an accelerated basis. During 1Q 'twenty four, this was around 60,000 square meters of customer churn, most of which we immediately replaced with new customer commitments in our 1Q 2024 bookings. Over the next couple of quarters, we expect the impact of these one time factors to diminish. Speaker 200:05:38As a result, net addition area utilized in China will set up in line with the improved growth moving. How do we achieve steady EBITDA growth while at the same time generating positive free cash flow before financing? The key is increased utilization of existing assets and to only incur additional CapEx when needed to deliver capacity to customers with confirmed moving schedules. In 1Q24, we brought 14,000 square meters of new capacity into service in China at 3 data centers in Shanghai, Changshu and Lanfang. The commitment rate for these 3 data centers is 100%. Speaker 200:06:42By the end of quarter, the utilization rate was already over 40%. This is the pattern which we are aiming for. In the past couple of years, we put the brakes on our development program in China, completing around 30,000 square meters of projects per annum in 20222023. In the current year, we expect higher level of completions at around 60,000 square meters due to the higher level of customer move in. However, to deliver this capacity, we only needed to incur the cost to compete, which works out at around RMB2.5 billion or less than US3 per megawatt. Speaker 200:07:43Turning to Slide 8, we are in in the area utilized by over 50% while only needed to incur costs to complete of around RMB 7,400,000,000 Turning to our sales on Slide 9. In the current market, we have been selectively which fit our capacity and have the right capacity. In 1Q 2024, new bookings in China were around 9,000 square meters, most of which relates to inventory at data centers in service. Speaker 300:08:33So far, there has been a Speaker 200:08:36lot of AI driven demand in Tier 1 markets. However, have been AI developments in remote locations, which are not our focus. These deployments are mainly for AI development and AI enabled applications. Nonetheless, it is an encouraging lead indicator of latency sensitive AI demand coming to T. As we have seen in our international business, AI requires unprecedented scale and faster delivery. Speaker 200:09:18We are very well placed to satisfy this kind of requirement in China Tier 1 markets because of the land and the power which we have secured at multiple sites, we will use this resource very strategically to capture the AI wave. Turning to international on Slide 12. Our international strategy is based on anticipating new waves of demand and evolving requirements, moving decisively to secure land and power with short time to market, winning game changing customer orders, leveraging our competitive strength to execute faster and more efficiently and financing the business on a standalone basis. Within a few years of launching our international strategy, we are well underway to developing a market leading presence in 3 of the world's largest data center hubs, namely Singapore, Johor Bahtan, Hong Kong and Tokyo. Across these 3 hubs, we currently have 75 Megawatts in service, 196 Megawatts under construction and over 500 Megawatts of land and power supply held for future development, subject to demand. Speaker 200:11:05All of this capacity could be constructed and delivered within 3 to 4 years, which is critical considerations for customers. We currently have 182 Megawatts of commitments, which around 40 percent from the leading global customers. In 1Q24, we won an 18 megawatts order from local cloud player. And in the current quarter, we won a 43 Megawatts order from a global cloud service provider. Both of these orders were for our 2 Johor campuses. Speaker 200:11:53Our pipeline of new business for Johor is exceptionally strong, and I am pleased to report that we are in the process of contracting our first business for Batan. Meanwhile, in Hong Kong, we have already sold out our first two data centers. In Tokyo, we are partnering for 2 new partnering for 2 new data centers, which we believe will be highly marketable. In today's market, it is very typical for customers to require a short lead time to delivery of only a few quarters. They then commit to rapid moving. Speaker 200:12:42Our ability to meet these requirements sets us apart. As a proof point, we have already delivered 70 megawatts into whole, which was 100% revenue generating by the end of the 1Q 2024. We have another 86 Megawatts backlog in Tahoe, most of which is scheduled for delivery and will become revenue generating over the next 6 quarters. Due to the accelerated sales pipeline and the stronger investor demand, we decided to upsize the Series A new issue by $85,000,000 to Speaker 400:13:31$672,000,000 Speaker 200:13:35This successful new issue demonstrates our ability to access capital for international on a stand alone basis. We have now established a channel for future capital raises and future value benchmarks. I will now pass on to Dan for the financial and operating review. Speaker 400:14:02Thank you, William. Turning to Slide 15. From 2Q 2024, we will start to provide segment reporting in our earnings release. As you can see, excuse me, we have already included most of the segment information in our 1Q 'twenty four earnings presentation. We will define 2 segments, Digital Land Holdings Limited and its subsidiaries, which comprises all of our business and assets outside of Mainland China, except for some minor third party data centers in Hong Kong, will be referred to as GDSI or International. Speaker 400:14:46GDS Holdings Limited and all of its subsidiaries, excluding GDSI, which comprises our ultimate holding company and all of our business and assets in Mainland China will be referred to as GDSH or China. Turning to Slide 16. In 1Q 2024, consolidated revenue increased by 9.1%, and adjusted EBITDA increased by 4.7% year on year. Starting with the China segment. In 1Q 2024, GDSH revenue increased by 1.8% and adjusted EBITDA decreased by 1.6% year on year. Speaker 400:15:37Without the BOT transfers, GDSH revenue would have increased by 3.4% and GDSH adjusted EBITDA would have increased by 1.4% year on year. GDSH revenue growth was mainly driven by an increase in total area utilized of 7.5% year on year, offset by reduction in MSR. DDSH adjusted EBITDA growth was further impacted by higher power tariffs during the past year, which resulted in a decrease in GDSH adjusted EBITDA margin from 48.6% in 1Q 'twenty three to 46.9% in 1Q 'twenty four. In 1Q 'twenty four, net additional area utilized for China before the BOT transfers was 10,858 square meters, which is slightly higher than the average for the prior four quarters. Looking forward, we expect net additional area utilized for China to step up over the next few quarters as a result of higher gross move in and reduced impact from one time factors. Speaker 400:17:04We also expect the reduction in MSR to slow down And assuming that power tariffs remain at current levels, we expect GDSH adjusted EBITDA margin to stabilize with just the usual seasonal fluctuations. Turning to international. GDSI recorded strong revenue growth and adjusted EBITDA growth as its first data centers enter service and began to ramp up with nearly 20,000 square meters of net additional area utilized in a single quarter. Because of the scheduled delivery and move in commitments, we expect the numbers for GDSI to increase rapidly. Turning to Slide 19. Speaker 400:17:58In 1Q 2024, our China CapEx totaled RMB 894,000,000. CapEx during the Q1 is usually elevated as payables are settled on an accelerated basis before Chinese New Year. We expect lower CapEx per quarter over the rest of the year and still maintain our RMB 2,500,000,000 guidance for China CapEx for the full year. In 1Q 2024, our international CapEx was around RMB 702,000,000. As William mentioned, we have an 87 megawatt backlog to deliver over the next 6 quarters. Speaker 400:18:46In addition, we plan to purchase additional land in Johor and Singapore and to commence new projects as we win customer commitments. Our CapEx guidance for international in 2024 is RMB 4,000,000,000. Based on the strong sales pipeline, international CapEx may accelerate over the next few quarters. Turning to Slide 20. Cash flow before financing for the China segment has fluctuated between positive and negative for the past 5 quarters. Speaker 400:19:25It was negative in 1Q 2024 due to slower connections and faster payments, which follows the same pattern for the past 3 years. We still expect to be close to or breakeven for the full year. We expect to receive proceeds from the BOT transfer in the 2nd or third quarter. In 1Q 2024, international on a standalone basis had negative cash flow before financing of over RMB730 1,000,000. With the proceeds of Series A, we have enough capital to complete all of the current projects. Speaker 400:20:12Turning to Slide 22. On 26th March, we announced that we had entered into definitive agreements with certain private equity investors to subscribe for US587 million dollars of Series A convertible preferred shares newly issued by GDSI. On 13th May, we entered into amendments to the definitive agreements, which included increasing the size of Series A in USU to US672 million dollars at the same pre money equity valuation of US750 million dollars We expect the Series A new issue to close on 4th June. Post closing and on as converted basis, GDSH will own approximately 52.7 percent of the equity interest of GDSI in the form of ordinary shares. The remaining 47.3 percent equity interest will be held in the form of Series A shares by the private equity investors. Speaker 400:21:28Turning to Slide 23. Proceeds of the equity capital raised by GDSI is ring fenced. We therefore believe that it makes more sense to look at our leverage on a segment basis. After closing the Series A, GDSI will repay all shareholder loans and other amounts due to GDSH. At the end of 1Q 2024, this totaled RMB 1,700,000,000. Speaker 400:22:02On a pro form a basis, the cash balance of GDSH would increase to RMB 9,000,000,000 all of which is available to support the China business. The net debt to last quarter annualized adjusted EBITDA multiple for GDSH was 7.7 times. This calculation does not take into account the value of GDSH's equity interest in GDSI. Turning to Slide 24. During the period from 2Q 2024 to 4Q 2024, we have RMB 1,700,000,000 of project loan amortization for China. Speaker 400:22:52We continue to successfully refinance GDSH onshore project loans, extending maturity and lowering cost. We are also able to draw down on existing project loan facilities to finance the substantial part of GDSH incremental CapEx. As you can see in the loan maturity schedule, GDSI has obtained 5 year project term loans to finance its developments. Turning to Slide 25. We are not changing our formal guidance for FY 2024 consolidated revenue, adjusted EBITDA and CapEx. Speaker 400:23:36We'd now like to open the call to questions. Operator? Operator00:23:41Thank you. We will now go ahead with our first question, which is from Jonathan Atkin from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:24:15Thanks. I got one question around China domestic business and then maybe one international, if I could throw that in. Inside of China, what are you seeing apart from the utilization rate on a square meter basis that you have reported? What are you seeing with respect to power draw and customer behavior around increasing that increasing the draw of power that they're contractually able to utilize? Any trend there that might be instructive in terms of increasing demand or maybe follow on demand from customers? Speaker 500:24:54And then my question on internationals is that the GDSI it appears they have a lot of project loans. And I wonder if you could provide a little bit of color on cost of capital and just the sort of counterparties that you have for these loans? Are they domestic, international, etcetera? Thank you. Speaker 400:25:19Yes. John, hi, it's Dan. I'll try to answer your questions. The first one about the power draw in China. Most of our established data centers, which are utilized by a large cloud and Internet customers, already operating at maximum power levels. Speaker 400:25:47The entire available power capacity of the data centers is committed to the customers. And they, of course, operate their own business at a very high level of operating efficiency. So we don't have a situation in which there is spare power capacity, which is not being utilized or monetized. On the other hand, for new data center developments, we are typically constructing at a higher power density. The power density for new developments is quite often over 3 kilowatts per square meter. Speaker 400:26:31So that may be an indicator of what is behind here, what you're asking behind your question. For the project loans in the international business, we're taking similar approach to the way in which we finance China business, which is to allocate capital project by project and then to leverage that with debt at the local level. The customer contracts, which have been signed, most mainly in Malaysia, are priced either in U. S. Dollars or in Malaysian ringgit. Speaker 400:27:13So our income is both U. S. Dollar and Malaysian ringgit. So far, we are borrowing in Malaysian ringgit, and we are aiming to minimize the FX exposure through that. The loans are with are from a syndicate of banks who are already very familiar with us, And we expect to go through the same pattern that we did in China of establishing a structure, developing relationships with local banks and over time, transitioning to having very put on the local bank relationships. Speaker 500:27:58Thank you. And then for Japan, the 36 megawatts, can you give us a sense of when you would intend to start construction? Speaker 600:28:14So, Jonathan, this is Jamie. So on the Japan side, our partner which is broadcaster will be doing up the construction of the coin shell. So that will be completed and passed on to us by 2020 5 and 2025 or early 2026. So then we will start our M and E construction and that will bring us to Q4 2026 for deliveries here. Speaker 200:28:50Thank you. Operator00:28:54Thank you. We will now take our next question. This is from the line of Yang Liu from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:29:07Thanks for the opportunity. I have two questions here. The first question is regarding the asset monetization in China because previously management mentioned about this strategy. What are the opportunities you're seeing in the market? And what is the current plan or what should we expect on this front? Speaker 700:29:34And should we think the transfer of BOT is a part of that or not? That is the first question. Speaker 400:29:50Yes. Jan, let me ask that question and then you answer your you'll ask your next question. First of all, on the BOT transfer, this is very specific. We have 15 BOT data centers. This transfer involves 3 of them. Speaker 400:30:121 of the 3 is at a campus where it is the only data center that we have invested in and operate. So that is being transferred really for the sake of operational efficiency. The other 2 data centers customer has had a change in plan in terms of how they wish to utilize those data centers, which includes Speaker 200:30:38the way Speaker 400:30:38in which they are fitted out. So this is not a this is not any involve any change of strategy. It's not something that we expect to happen in future. We came to a mutual agreement. We will recover our investment plus a reasonable return over the period of time, which our capital has been invested. Speaker 400:31:06And it will make a small positive contribution to our cash flow before financing when the proceeds are received either in this quarter or next quarter. They talk more generally about asset monetization. Yes, I appreciate we have talked about that for some time. It is most definitely a strategic objective of ours. And I think that we are moving in the right direction. Speaker 400:31:39We have not ceased to make efforts. And currently, we have a number of projects ongoing, including the one end of the spectrum, C REIT, China REIT. One degree over from that is what's referred to in China as a private REIT, which involves exactly the same structure as a public REIT, but doesn't have the public REIT at the top of it and that is a stepping stone in terms of monetizing an asset, which can then subsequently be injected into a public REIT. And we also have other structures, which are more like financing. And we're dealing with China's leading insurance companies, leading RMB Private Equity Funds and even some U. Speaker 400:32:37S. Funds who are looking at assets in China. I think we're very determined about this. And I think there's a chance we get something done before the end of this year, because it's not in any of the numbers or guidance that we've provided. But clearly, it would make a contribution to our free cash flow before financing. Speaker 400:33:05And I'm quite sure it will be accretive. Speaker 700:33:13Thank you. Yes, I have another question in terms of the CapEx outlook beyond 2024. Do you think the China part of the CapEx can further come down next year? Or if the demand stay at current level or if the growth moving stay at current pretty good run rate? Thank you. Speaker 400:33:41Yes. Our business plan assumes that our growth rate picks up mainly because of the contracts between the backlog. So we're not taking a view on broader market developments. We're simply basing that on what we already have secured and are working to deliver. So we expect the move in to go what it has at a gross level to go to a high level and to continue at that level for the foreseeable future. Speaker 400:34:28The CapEx guidance for this year was RMB 2,500,000,000. Well, it's too early to give guidance, but in our business plan, CapEx in the next each of the next 1 or 2 years is around that level or lower. Speaker 700:34:51Thank you. Operator00:34:56Thank you. We will now take our next question. This is from Frank Louthan from Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:35:09Hey, guys. This is Rob on for Frank. You might have touched on this a little bit earlier, but what's the impact of higher interest rates on your customers' business? And how should we think about that how should we think about that impact going forward? Speaker 400:35:32Yes. Rob, I have to say in China, the interest rate trend has been the opposite of what you've seen in the U. S. Most of the developed markets. The reference interest rate for us, which we refer to as the over 5 year loan prime rate, is the lowest that it's been in since we started our business. Speaker 400:36:02Not only that, but the margin that banks charge in our project financing facilities, which is a spread over the over 5 year loan prime rate, has come down to either just a few basis points over or quite often now several tens of basis points under the loan prime rate. So our financing costs in China debt financing costs in China is the lowest it's the lowest it's ever been. Our customers are mainly large cloud and Internet companies, which is in China, most of them don't have any debt. So I don't think that probably affect our customers business very much either way. Operator00:37:06Thank you. We will now take the next question. This is from the line of Cooper Elias from T. D. Cowen. Operator00:37:18Please go ahead. Speaker 800:37:21Hi, everyone. You have Cooper Bellinger on here for Michael Elias. I wanted to ask a quick question regarding the segmentation. Obviously, you provide guidance for GDSI and GDSH CapEx separately. Should we expect the same thing going forward in terms of revenue, adjusted EBITDA, etcetera? Speaker 400:37:49Thank you, Guido. For the time being, the answer is not in a formal sense. But during the prepared remarks, we will continuously update and give some direction on the key performance indicators, both operating and financial KPIs. Maybe after a few quarters, we might revisit that. But for now, I think we split out on a historical basis all the numbers that really matter. Speaker 400:38:32I think the only one which we have not split is MSR because for now it's not material to look at China and its national MSR because there's not enough difference. But when there is, we will split that out. And then we will provide commentary on each of these metrics on a China and international basis. So I think that will probably get you a long way until we provide formal guidance for GDSH and GDSI separately. Speaker 200:39:08Thank you. Operator00:39:12Thank you. And we now have a follow-up question. This is from the line of Yang Liu from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:39:25Thanks for the opportunity to ask the question again. Yes, I would like to ask first on the demand side. Do you see that the demand from China customers are getting better maybe than 3 or 6 months ago? Because we saw that leading Internet companies increasing their CapEx meaningfully in recent quarter. Not sure if that is transferring to GDS demand. Speaker 700:39:58And of course, previously we saw the overseas demand is pretty good, but I just want to have an update on that front compared with 3 months ago? Is it getting better or moderate a little bit? And another question I also would like to ask because we saw the financing, PE refinancing got upsized. So that means the GDS holding or stake in GDSI will further decline to 52 something, right? But I just want to ask whether GDS has a strategy to consolidate GDSI in the long run. Speaker 700:40:49Do you feel comfortable if the future financing round you will the stakes drop below 50%? Yes, that is my question. Or if another thing, do you have a firm plan to spin off GDSI? Thank you. Speaker 300:41:09Okay, Andrew. I think Speaker 200:41:11I answered the demand question. I mean, in China, I think that we see the demand is start to recover. But I think it's already implicated to us because if you see that our first quarter moving speed up and it's since 2020, it's the most higher quarter in last 3 years last 4 years even, right? So this is already that's where we expect and we will benefit on that. And for the new incremental, I think the we already seen some of the new incremental mainly driven by the AI, right, maybe its training purpose. Speaker 200:41:58This is also as I just mentioned, some deal is to go to the remote area, which is not our focus. But we will see the demand where follow-up is the demand from the, let's say, inference or AI enabled application. So we will see this trend definitely will benefit to us in near future. So I think that in general, the demand is recovered start to recover. And we our target is getting more customer moving more fast. Speaker 200:42:51This is what we expect. This is what happened in China. For the international, I think the simple answer is that demand is getting more strong. So then 3 months ago and this is number 1 is there's more different customer, multinational customer coming to discuss with us or try to find some resource in Johan and the Bakken as well. And the deal size is getting more bigger. Speaker 200:43:21So I think we have very, very confident we will get more deal in the next 12 months, let's say. I think that's what happening it's happening in the international market. Even in Japan, I think after we just announced that there's a lot of sales leads is coming up. So I think if we deliver that by the end of the 2026, definitely we have some pre sell in Japan. Speaker 400:43:56So yes. Let me answer the other part of your question. So the perspective of GDS Holdings, what really matters is that GDS International is as successful as possible and that the value of our investment in GDS International appreciates as much as possible. In order to optimize the success of GDS International, it is highly likely that GDS International will undertake further capital raisings. When that happens, we have seen what the consequences are in terms of our ownership percentage and ability to consolidate. Speaker 400:44:50To some degree, we already anticipated this when we structured the Series A new issue. We included certain unique rights to protect the position of GDSH, but also to ensure that in future, we are able to initiate an IPO and spin off, meaning distribute the shares to our shareholders if we think that that is in the best interest of our shareholders, because it's important not only that the value of our investment in international increases, but that value accrues to our shareholders. If it's not reflected in our share price, then we have to find another way to ensure that the value accrues to our shareholders. So that was one of the things that we have a unique right to make a decision in the future on whether we wish to go down that path. Speaker 700:46:05Thanks. Quite encouraging to hear the plan. Thank you. Operator00:46:15Thank you. And we will now take our next question. This is from the line of Gokul Hariharan from JPMC. Speaker 300:46:39William, you did talk about some of the initial AI demand that is starting to show up in China, especially for training. Could you talk a little bit about what kind of data center capacity or power profile that you need to prepare? Are there distinct differences in terms of the kind of data centers required for AI workloads that you are hearing from your customers compared to the regular cloud data centers that you've always had? And do you feel that you'll have to start increasing to build some of these data centers eventually? Or you don't think that's the business that you can accommodate them in the existing data centers themselves? Speaker 200:47:38I think the AID sits, it depends on how you define it, right? So I think if you think the data center host GPU is the AI DC, Actually, we're already there, right? So but in typically, I think our existing, let's say, data center in all the Tier one market or in the edge of the Tier one market, the big city already has enough power capacity to fulfill the high density server. That's configuration we already set up in a couple of years ago. So our new data center in the last, let's say, at least in last 5 or 6 years, we already build very high power density data center already. Speaker 200:48:42This is number 1. Number 2, I think in terms of the differences, maybe not it's popular right now, but I think China data center AI data center request required more maybe in the future, more cooling air cooling system to calibrate their cooling stuff. But this is nothing new for us. We already build cooling type data nickel cooling type data center 4 years ago, our 2 of the largest customer as well. So I think this is already for us, I think AI data says nothing new for us, right? Speaker 200:49:31We also build a lot of similar liquor cooling data center in Johor in the last since last year. So this is mainly difference. Number 1, I think in terms of the profile is number 1 is larger scale number 2 is a high powered maybe future Speaker 400:50:23Yes. Speaker 100:50:23Yes. We're still here. Speaker 300:50:27Okay. I missed out the last part of William's answer. Sorry about that. My next question is on the international personnel. Speaker 100:50:36Okay, go ahead William, sorry. Speaker 200:50:38Yes, Google. I think my conclusion is that, it starts to implement a couple of years ago for the LIPC data center. This is meaning now everybody call this is AI data center, right? So we already have most of our Tier 1 market data center suitable for this kind of requirement, yes. Speaker 300:51:13Got it. My second question is on international, maybe to William and JB. What are you seeing in terms of the local competitors, especially in Malaysia and some extent we are also seeing in Indonesia? There's a lot of announcements coming through from local competitors, coming from the datacenter industry, coming from other utility industries as well. Are you starting to see them in some of the bids that you're participating in? Speaker 300:51:41Or is this still a separate market for you compared to these local players who are announcing big data center deals? Speaker 200:51:55So I think in Malaysia, typically let's say Malaysia or Indonesia by time, right? I think we definitely have the 1st mover advantage, number 1. I think because we are the pioneer to step in this market and because we already know we know better than anyone else in this region about the technology trends. And we know we have much better understanding our customer needs. So we know where they will go and when they will go and how we will do, right? Speaker 200:52:38So I think this is a different advantage we already have than anyone else in this market. So frankly speaking, before the 2028, I think the most of the power in this region, we already secured most of the power. So I think the even a lot of the new player jump into this market. There's I think the time to market will be behind us. Speaker 300:53:16Got it. Yes. Thank you very much. Thanks. Operator00:53:20Thank you. We will now take our next question. Please stand by. Next question is from the line of Sara Wang from UBS. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:53:37Thank you. Just one quick question. So for the China business, given the backlog might be signed a couple of years ago, so I'm just wondering if the AI driven demand will simply drive acceleration of execution of the previous backlog or will there be any changes to the contract terms maybe previously? Thank you. Operator00:54:18Thank Speaker 100:54:27Sorry, we tried to answer this question, operator. Yes. Thank Speaker 200:54:34you. Yes, of course, I think the moving I think in China, the main driver is the Internet and the past the traditional cloud and AI. Traditional growth is still very slow and now the most of the demands are driven by the AI and the Internet. So I think we are as I mentioned, we are already start to benefit on that, right? So our Q1 moving is mainly driven by the AI and Internet company. Speaker 200:55:16And we expect that it will continue, yes. Speaker 100:55:21Got it. Speaker 300:55:21Is that Speaker 200:55:21your question? Is that your question? Speaker 900:55:24Yes, not really. So I'm just wondering if the AI driven demand will simply drive acceleration of backlog ramp up or will there be any changes to the contract terms given the backlog might be signed a couple of years ago? Speaker 400:55:39Yes. Let me have a go. Yes, obviously, our backlog is mainly cloud service providers. Yes. So I listened to China's largest cloud service providers earnings call and they talk about how they're integrating AI into their cloud business and how AI development is driving demand for their cloud business. Speaker 400:56:04So I think if you have cloud service providers in your backlog, then yes, their successful development and bring to market AI enabled products and services will contribute to, you could call it, AI growth, but also to demand for cloud services. Speaker 900:56:30Okay, got it. Thank you. Operator00:56:36Thank you. As there are no further questions, I'd like to now turn the call back over to the company for closing remarks. 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by for GDS Holdings Limited's First Quarter 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. After management's prepared remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Today's conference call is being recorded. Operator00:00:19I will now turn the call over to your host, Ms. Laura Chen, Head of Investor Relations for the company. Please go ahead, Laura. Speaker 100:00:27Thank you, operator. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Q1 2024 earnings conference call of GDS Holdings Limited. The company's results were issued via newswire services earlier today and posted online. A summary presentation, which we will refer to during this conference call, can be viewed and downloaded from our IR website at investorsgdsservices.com. Speaker 100:00:51Leading today's call is Mr. William Huang, GDS's Founder, Chairman and CEO, who will provide an overview of our business strategy and performance. Mr. Dan Newman, GDS CFO will then review the financial and operating results. Ms. Speaker 100:01:06Jamie Ku, CEO of GDS International is also available to answer questions. Before we continue, please note that today's discussion will contain forward looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provisions of the U. S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. Speaker 100:01:30As such, the company's results may be materially different from the views expressed today. Further information regarding these and other risks and uncertainties is included in the company's prospectus as filed with the U. S. SEC, and the company does not assume any obligation to update any forward looking statements except as required under applicable law. Please also note that GDS's earnings release earnings press release and this conference call include discussions of unaudited GAAP financial information as well as unaudited non GAAP financial measures. Speaker 100:02:07GDS's press release contains a reconciliation of the unaudited non GAAP measures to the unaudited most directly comparable GAAP measures. I'll now turn the call over to GDS's Founder, Chairman and CEO, William Huang. Please go ahead, William. Speaker 200:02:24Hello, everyone. This is William. Thank you for joining us on today's call. The top priority of GDS's senior management team is to create value for our shareholders and drive share price recovery. Our business now has 2 distinct segments, China and International. Speaker 200:02:47For China, we believe that the key to creating shareholder value is, 1st, to get back onto a higher growth track in terms of EBITDA 2nd, to generate a positive free cash flow before financing and reduce debt. And the 3rd, to position strategically for the coming AI wave. For international, the Series A capital raising sets a benchmark of nearly $4 per GDS share. We believe that this value will appreciate significantly as we build on our initial success. Now let's review our progress towards these goals in more detail, starting with China on Slide 5. Speaker 200:03:42The key to restoring higher growth in China is the moving rate. Over the past couple of years, we focused our sales efforts on opportunities with fast moving schedules and reasonable pricing. Even though the market as a whole slowed down, we've made good progress with winning this kind of business. The results of our efforts are now starting to become visible in our gross additional area utilized. In 1Q 'twenty four, the gross move in for China was 17,000 square meters, all of which was in Tier 1 markets. Speaker 200:04:33It's the highest since 2020. Going forward, based on contractual commitments in the backlog, we expect gross move in to continue at these higher levels. From the beginning of 1Q 2024, we stopped recognizing revenue and deducted 12,000 square meters from our area utilized for 3 BOT data centers, which we plan to transfer to the customer on an accelerated basis. During 1Q 'twenty four, this was around 60,000 square meters of customer churn, most of which we immediately replaced with new customer commitments in our 1Q 2024 bookings. Over the next couple of quarters, we expect the impact of these one time factors to diminish. Speaker 200:05:38As a result, net addition area utilized in China will set up in line with the improved growth moving. How do we achieve steady EBITDA growth while at the same time generating positive free cash flow before financing? The key is increased utilization of existing assets and to only incur additional CapEx when needed to deliver capacity to customers with confirmed moving schedules. In 1Q24, we brought 14,000 square meters of new capacity into service in China at 3 data centers in Shanghai, Changshu and Lanfang. The commitment rate for these 3 data centers is 100%. Speaker 200:06:42By the end of quarter, the utilization rate was already over 40%. This is the pattern which we are aiming for. In the past couple of years, we put the brakes on our development program in China, completing around 30,000 square meters of projects per annum in 20222023. In the current year, we expect higher level of completions at around 60,000 square meters due to the higher level of customer move in. However, to deliver this capacity, we only needed to incur the cost to compete, which works out at around RMB2.5 billion or less than US3 per megawatt. Speaker 200:07:43Turning to Slide 8, we are in in the area utilized by over 50% while only needed to incur costs to complete of around RMB 7,400,000,000 Turning to our sales on Slide 9. In the current market, we have been selectively which fit our capacity and have the right capacity. In 1Q 2024, new bookings in China were around 9,000 square meters, most of which relates to inventory at data centers in service. Speaker 300:08:33So far, there has been a Speaker 200:08:36lot of AI driven demand in Tier 1 markets. However, have been AI developments in remote locations, which are not our focus. These deployments are mainly for AI development and AI enabled applications. Nonetheless, it is an encouraging lead indicator of latency sensitive AI demand coming to T. As we have seen in our international business, AI requires unprecedented scale and faster delivery. Speaker 200:09:18We are very well placed to satisfy this kind of requirement in China Tier 1 markets because of the land and the power which we have secured at multiple sites, we will use this resource very strategically to capture the AI wave. Turning to international on Slide 12. Our international strategy is based on anticipating new waves of demand and evolving requirements, moving decisively to secure land and power with short time to market, winning game changing customer orders, leveraging our competitive strength to execute faster and more efficiently and financing the business on a standalone basis. Within a few years of launching our international strategy, we are well underway to developing a market leading presence in 3 of the world's largest data center hubs, namely Singapore, Johor Bahtan, Hong Kong and Tokyo. Across these 3 hubs, we currently have 75 Megawatts in service, 196 Megawatts under construction and over 500 Megawatts of land and power supply held for future development, subject to demand. Speaker 200:11:05All of this capacity could be constructed and delivered within 3 to 4 years, which is critical considerations for customers. We currently have 182 Megawatts of commitments, which around 40 percent from the leading global customers. In 1Q24, we won an 18 megawatts order from local cloud player. And in the current quarter, we won a 43 Megawatts order from a global cloud service provider. Both of these orders were for our 2 Johor campuses. Speaker 200:11:53Our pipeline of new business for Johor is exceptionally strong, and I am pleased to report that we are in the process of contracting our first business for Batan. Meanwhile, in Hong Kong, we have already sold out our first two data centers. In Tokyo, we are partnering for 2 new partnering for 2 new data centers, which we believe will be highly marketable. In today's market, it is very typical for customers to require a short lead time to delivery of only a few quarters. They then commit to rapid moving. Speaker 200:12:42Our ability to meet these requirements sets us apart. As a proof point, we have already delivered 70 megawatts into whole, which was 100% revenue generating by the end of the 1Q 2024. We have another 86 Megawatts backlog in Tahoe, most of which is scheduled for delivery and will become revenue generating over the next 6 quarters. Due to the accelerated sales pipeline and the stronger investor demand, we decided to upsize the Series A new issue by $85,000,000 to Speaker 400:13:31$672,000,000 Speaker 200:13:35This successful new issue demonstrates our ability to access capital for international on a stand alone basis. We have now established a channel for future capital raises and future value benchmarks. I will now pass on to Dan for the financial and operating review. Speaker 400:14:02Thank you, William. Turning to Slide 15. From 2Q 2024, we will start to provide segment reporting in our earnings release. As you can see, excuse me, we have already included most of the segment information in our 1Q 'twenty four earnings presentation. We will define 2 segments, Digital Land Holdings Limited and its subsidiaries, which comprises all of our business and assets outside of Mainland China, except for some minor third party data centers in Hong Kong, will be referred to as GDSI or International. Speaker 400:14:46GDS Holdings Limited and all of its subsidiaries, excluding GDSI, which comprises our ultimate holding company and all of our business and assets in Mainland China will be referred to as GDSH or China. Turning to Slide 16. In 1Q 2024, consolidated revenue increased by 9.1%, and adjusted EBITDA increased by 4.7% year on year. Starting with the China segment. In 1Q 2024, GDSH revenue increased by 1.8% and adjusted EBITDA decreased by 1.6% year on year. Speaker 400:15:37Without the BOT transfers, GDSH revenue would have increased by 3.4% and GDSH adjusted EBITDA would have increased by 1.4% year on year. GDSH revenue growth was mainly driven by an increase in total area utilized of 7.5% year on year, offset by reduction in MSR. DDSH adjusted EBITDA growth was further impacted by higher power tariffs during the past year, which resulted in a decrease in GDSH adjusted EBITDA margin from 48.6% in 1Q 'twenty three to 46.9% in 1Q 'twenty four. In 1Q 'twenty four, net additional area utilized for China before the BOT transfers was 10,858 square meters, which is slightly higher than the average for the prior four quarters. Looking forward, we expect net additional area utilized for China to step up over the next few quarters as a result of higher gross move in and reduced impact from one time factors. Speaker 400:17:04We also expect the reduction in MSR to slow down And assuming that power tariffs remain at current levels, we expect GDSH adjusted EBITDA margin to stabilize with just the usual seasonal fluctuations. Turning to international. GDSI recorded strong revenue growth and adjusted EBITDA growth as its first data centers enter service and began to ramp up with nearly 20,000 square meters of net additional area utilized in a single quarter. Because of the scheduled delivery and move in commitments, we expect the numbers for GDSI to increase rapidly. Turning to Slide 19. Speaker 400:17:58In 1Q 2024, our China CapEx totaled RMB 894,000,000. CapEx during the Q1 is usually elevated as payables are settled on an accelerated basis before Chinese New Year. We expect lower CapEx per quarter over the rest of the year and still maintain our RMB 2,500,000,000 guidance for China CapEx for the full year. In 1Q 2024, our international CapEx was around RMB 702,000,000. As William mentioned, we have an 87 megawatt backlog to deliver over the next 6 quarters. Speaker 400:18:46In addition, we plan to purchase additional land in Johor and Singapore and to commence new projects as we win customer commitments. Our CapEx guidance for international in 2024 is RMB 4,000,000,000. Based on the strong sales pipeline, international CapEx may accelerate over the next few quarters. Turning to Slide 20. Cash flow before financing for the China segment has fluctuated between positive and negative for the past 5 quarters. Speaker 400:19:25It was negative in 1Q 2024 due to slower connections and faster payments, which follows the same pattern for the past 3 years. We still expect to be close to or breakeven for the full year. We expect to receive proceeds from the BOT transfer in the 2nd or third quarter. In 1Q 2024, international on a standalone basis had negative cash flow before financing of over RMB730 1,000,000. With the proceeds of Series A, we have enough capital to complete all of the current projects. Speaker 400:20:12Turning to Slide 22. On 26th March, we announced that we had entered into definitive agreements with certain private equity investors to subscribe for US587 million dollars of Series A convertible preferred shares newly issued by GDSI. On 13th May, we entered into amendments to the definitive agreements, which included increasing the size of Series A in USU to US672 million dollars at the same pre money equity valuation of US750 million dollars We expect the Series A new issue to close on 4th June. Post closing and on as converted basis, GDSH will own approximately 52.7 percent of the equity interest of GDSI in the form of ordinary shares. The remaining 47.3 percent equity interest will be held in the form of Series A shares by the private equity investors. Speaker 400:21:28Turning to Slide 23. Proceeds of the equity capital raised by GDSI is ring fenced. We therefore believe that it makes more sense to look at our leverage on a segment basis. After closing the Series A, GDSI will repay all shareholder loans and other amounts due to GDSH. At the end of 1Q 2024, this totaled RMB 1,700,000,000. Speaker 400:22:02On a pro form a basis, the cash balance of GDSH would increase to RMB 9,000,000,000 all of which is available to support the China business. The net debt to last quarter annualized adjusted EBITDA multiple for GDSH was 7.7 times. This calculation does not take into account the value of GDSH's equity interest in GDSI. Turning to Slide 24. During the period from 2Q 2024 to 4Q 2024, we have RMB 1,700,000,000 of project loan amortization for China. Speaker 400:22:52We continue to successfully refinance GDSH onshore project loans, extending maturity and lowering cost. We are also able to draw down on existing project loan facilities to finance the substantial part of GDSH incremental CapEx. As you can see in the loan maturity schedule, GDSI has obtained 5 year project term loans to finance its developments. Turning to Slide 25. We are not changing our formal guidance for FY 2024 consolidated revenue, adjusted EBITDA and CapEx. Speaker 400:23:36We'd now like to open the call to questions. Operator? Operator00:23:41Thank you. We will now go ahead with our first question, which is from Jonathan Atkin from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:24:15Thanks. I got one question around China domestic business and then maybe one international, if I could throw that in. Inside of China, what are you seeing apart from the utilization rate on a square meter basis that you have reported? What are you seeing with respect to power draw and customer behavior around increasing that increasing the draw of power that they're contractually able to utilize? Any trend there that might be instructive in terms of increasing demand or maybe follow on demand from customers? Speaker 500:24:54And then my question on internationals is that the GDSI it appears they have a lot of project loans. And I wonder if you could provide a little bit of color on cost of capital and just the sort of counterparties that you have for these loans? Are they domestic, international, etcetera? Thank you. Speaker 400:25:19Yes. John, hi, it's Dan. I'll try to answer your questions. The first one about the power draw in China. Most of our established data centers, which are utilized by a large cloud and Internet customers, already operating at maximum power levels. Speaker 400:25:47The entire available power capacity of the data centers is committed to the customers. And they, of course, operate their own business at a very high level of operating efficiency. So we don't have a situation in which there is spare power capacity, which is not being utilized or monetized. On the other hand, for new data center developments, we are typically constructing at a higher power density. The power density for new developments is quite often over 3 kilowatts per square meter. Speaker 400:26:31So that may be an indicator of what is behind here, what you're asking behind your question. For the project loans in the international business, we're taking similar approach to the way in which we finance China business, which is to allocate capital project by project and then to leverage that with debt at the local level. The customer contracts, which have been signed, most mainly in Malaysia, are priced either in U. S. Dollars or in Malaysian ringgit. Speaker 400:27:13So our income is both U. S. Dollar and Malaysian ringgit. So far, we are borrowing in Malaysian ringgit, and we are aiming to minimize the FX exposure through that. The loans are with are from a syndicate of banks who are already very familiar with us, And we expect to go through the same pattern that we did in China of establishing a structure, developing relationships with local banks and over time, transitioning to having very put on the local bank relationships. Speaker 500:27:58Thank you. And then for Japan, the 36 megawatts, can you give us a sense of when you would intend to start construction? Speaker 600:28:14So, Jonathan, this is Jamie. So on the Japan side, our partner which is broadcaster will be doing up the construction of the coin shell. So that will be completed and passed on to us by 2020 5 and 2025 or early 2026. So then we will start our M and E construction and that will bring us to Q4 2026 for deliveries here. Speaker 200:28:50Thank you. Operator00:28:54Thank you. We will now take our next question. This is from the line of Yang Liu from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:29:07Thanks for the opportunity. I have two questions here. The first question is regarding the asset monetization in China because previously management mentioned about this strategy. What are the opportunities you're seeing in the market? And what is the current plan or what should we expect on this front? Speaker 700:29:34And should we think the transfer of BOT is a part of that or not? That is the first question. Speaker 400:29:50Yes. Jan, let me ask that question and then you answer your you'll ask your next question. First of all, on the BOT transfer, this is very specific. We have 15 BOT data centers. This transfer involves 3 of them. Speaker 400:30:121 of the 3 is at a campus where it is the only data center that we have invested in and operate. So that is being transferred really for the sake of operational efficiency. The other 2 data centers customer has had a change in plan in terms of how they wish to utilize those data centers, which includes Speaker 200:30:38the way Speaker 400:30:38in which they are fitted out. So this is not a this is not any involve any change of strategy. It's not something that we expect to happen in future. We came to a mutual agreement. We will recover our investment plus a reasonable return over the period of time, which our capital has been invested. Speaker 400:31:06And it will make a small positive contribution to our cash flow before financing when the proceeds are received either in this quarter or next quarter. They talk more generally about asset monetization. Yes, I appreciate we have talked about that for some time. It is most definitely a strategic objective of ours. And I think that we are moving in the right direction. Speaker 400:31:39We have not ceased to make efforts. And currently, we have a number of projects ongoing, including the one end of the spectrum, C REIT, China REIT. One degree over from that is what's referred to in China as a private REIT, which involves exactly the same structure as a public REIT, but doesn't have the public REIT at the top of it and that is a stepping stone in terms of monetizing an asset, which can then subsequently be injected into a public REIT. And we also have other structures, which are more like financing. And we're dealing with China's leading insurance companies, leading RMB Private Equity Funds and even some U. Speaker 400:32:37S. Funds who are looking at assets in China. I think we're very determined about this. And I think there's a chance we get something done before the end of this year, because it's not in any of the numbers or guidance that we've provided. But clearly, it would make a contribution to our free cash flow before financing. Speaker 400:33:05And I'm quite sure it will be accretive. Speaker 700:33:13Thank you. Yes, I have another question in terms of the CapEx outlook beyond 2024. Do you think the China part of the CapEx can further come down next year? Or if the demand stay at current level or if the growth moving stay at current pretty good run rate? Thank you. Speaker 400:33:41Yes. Our business plan assumes that our growth rate picks up mainly because of the contracts between the backlog. So we're not taking a view on broader market developments. We're simply basing that on what we already have secured and are working to deliver. So we expect the move in to go what it has at a gross level to go to a high level and to continue at that level for the foreseeable future. Speaker 400:34:28The CapEx guidance for this year was RMB 2,500,000,000. Well, it's too early to give guidance, but in our business plan, CapEx in the next each of the next 1 or 2 years is around that level or lower. Speaker 700:34:51Thank you. Operator00:34:56Thank you. We will now take our next question. This is from Frank Louthan from Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:35:09Hey, guys. This is Rob on for Frank. You might have touched on this a little bit earlier, but what's the impact of higher interest rates on your customers' business? And how should we think about that how should we think about that impact going forward? Speaker 400:35:32Yes. Rob, I have to say in China, the interest rate trend has been the opposite of what you've seen in the U. S. Most of the developed markets. The reference interest rate for us, which we refer to as the over 5 year loan prime rate, is the lowest that it's been in since we started our business. Speaker 400:36:02Not only that, but the margin that banks charge in our project financing facilities, which is a spread over the over 5 year loan prime rate, has come down to either just a few basis points over or quite often now several tens of basis points under the loan prime rate. So our financing costs in China debt financing costs in China is the lowest it's the lowest it's ever been. Our customers are mainly large cloud and Internet companies, which is in China, most of them don't have any debt. So I don't think that probably affect our customers business very much either way. Operator00:37:06Thank you. We will now take the next question. This is from the line of Cooper Elias from T. D. Cowen. Operator00:37:18Please go ahead. Speaker 800:37:21Hi, everyone. You have Cooper Bellinger on here for Michael Elias. I wanted to ask a quick question regarding the segmentation. Obviously, you provide guidance for GDSI and GDSH CapEx separately. Should we expect the same thing going forward in terms of revenue, adjusted EBITDA, etcetera? Speaker 400:37:49Thank you, Guido. For the time being, the answer is not in a formal sense. But during the prepared remarks, we will continuously update and give some direction on the key performance indicators, both operating and financial KPIs. Maybe after a few quarters, we might revisit that. But for now, I think we split out on a historical basis all the numbers that really matter. Speaker 400:38:32I think the only one which we have not split is MSR because for now it's not material to look at China and its national MSR because there's not enough difference. But when there is, we will split that out. And then we will provide commentary on each of these metrics on a China and international basis. So I think that will probably get you a long way until we provide formal guidance for GDSH and GDSI separately. Speaker 200:39:08Thank you. Operator00:39:12Thank you. And we now have a follow-up question. This is from the line of Yang Liu from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:39:25Thanks for the opportunity to ask the question again. Yes, I would like to ask first on the demand side. Do you see that the demand from China customers are getting better maybe than 3 or 6 months ago? Because we saw that leading Internet companies increasing their CapEx meaningfully in recent quarter. Not sure if that is transferring to GDS demand. Speaker 700:39:58And of course, previously we saw the overseas demand is pretty good, but I just want to have an update on that front compared with 3 months ago? Is it getting better or moderate a little bit? And another question I also would like to ask because we saw the financing, PE refinancing got upsized. So that means the GDS holding or stake in GDSI will further decline to 52 something, right? But I just want to ask whether GDS has a strategy to consolidate GDSI in the long run. Speaker 700:40:49Do you feel comfortable if the future financing round you will the stakes drop below 50%? Yes, that is my question. Or if another thing, do you have a firm plan to spin off GDSI? Thank you. Speaker 300:41:09Okay, Andrew. I think Speaker 200:41:11I answered the demand question. I mean, in China, I think that we see the demand is start to recover. But I think it's already implicated to us because if you see that our first quarter moving speed up and it's since 2020, it's the most higher quarter in last 3 years last 4 years even, right? So this is already that's where we expect and we will benefit on that. And for the new incremental, I think the we already seen some of the new incremental mainly driven by the AI, right, maybe its training purpose. Speaker 200:41:58This is also as I just mentioned, some deal is to go to the remote area, which is not our focus. But we will see the demand where follow-up is the demand from the, let's say, inference or AI enabled application. So we will see this trend definitely will benefit to us in near future. So I think that in general, the demand is recovered start to recover. And we our target is getting more customer moving more fast. Speaker 200:42:51This is what we expect. This is what happened in China. For the international, I think the simple answer is that demand is getting more strong. So then 3 months ago and this is number 1 is there's more different customer, multinational customer coming to discuss with us or try to find some resource in Johan and the Bakken as well. And the deal size is getting more bigger. Speaker 200:43:21So I think we have very, very confident we will get more deal in the next 12 months, let's say. I think that's what happening it's happening in the international market. Even in Japan, I think after we just announced that there's a lot of sales leads is coming up. So I think if we deliver that by the end of the 2026, definitely we have some pre sell in Japan. Speaker 400:43:56So yes. Let me answer the other part of your question. So the perspective of GDS Holdings, what really matters is that GDS International is as successful as possible and that the value of our investment in GDS International appreciates as much as possible. In order to optimize the success of GDS International, it is highly likely that GDS International will undertake further capital raisings. When that happens, we have seen what the consequences are in terms of our ownership percentage and ability to consolidate. Speaker 400:44:50To some degree, we already anticipated this when we structured the Series A new issue. We included certain unique rights to protect the position of GDSH, but also to ensure that in future, we are able to initiate an IPO and spin off, meaning distribute the shares to our shareholders if we think that that is in the best interest of our shareholders, because it's important not only that the value of our investment in international increases, but that value accrues to our shareholders. If it's not reflected in our share price, then we have to find another way to ensure that the value accrues to our shareholders. So that was one of the things that we have a unique right to make a decision in the future on whether we wish to go down that path. Speaker 700:46:05Thanks. Quite encouraging to hear the plan. Thank you. Operator00:46:15Thank you. And we will now take our next question. This is from the line of Gokul Hariharan from JPMC. Speaker 300:46:39William, you did talk about some of the initial AI demand that is starting to show up in China, especially for training. Could you talk a little bit about what kind of data center capacity or power profile that you need to prepare? Are there distinct differences in terms of the kind of data centers required for AI workloads that you are hearing from your customers compared to the regular cloud data centers that you've always had? And do you feel that you'll have to start increasing to build some of these data centers eventually? Or you don't think that's the business that you can accommodate them in the existing data centers themselves? Speaker 200:47:38I think the AID sits, it depends on how you define it, right? So I think if you think the data center host GPU is the AI DC, Actually, we're already there, right? So but in typically, I think our existing, let's say, data center in all the Tier one market or in the edge of the Tier one market, the big city already has enough power capacity to fulfill the high density server. That's configuration we already set up in a couple of years ago. So our new data center in the last, let's say, at least in last 5 or 6 years, we already build very high power density data center already. Speaker 200:48:42This is number 1. Number 2, I think in terms of the differences, maybe not it's popular right now, but I think China data center AI data center request required more maybe in the future, more cooling air cooling system to calibrate their cooling stuff. But this is nothing new for us. We already build cooling type data nickel cooling type data center 4 years ago, our 2 of the largest customer as well. So I think this is already for us, I think AI data says nothing new for us, right? Speaker 200:49:31We also build a lot of similar liquor cooling data center in Johor in the last since last year. So this is mainly difference. Number 1, I think in terms of the profile is number 1 is larger scale number 2 is a high powered maybe future Speaker 400:50:23Yes. Speaker 100:50:23Yes. We're still here. Speaker 300:50:27Okay. I missed out the last part of William's answer. Sorry about that. My next question is on the international personnel. Speaker 100:50:36Okay, go ahead William, sorry. Speaker 200:50:38Yes, Google. I think my conclusion is that, it starts to implement a couple of years ago for the LIPC data center. This is meaning now everybody call this is AI data center, right? So we already have most of our Tier 1 market data center suitable for this kind of requirement, yes. Speaker 300:51:13Got it. My second question is on international, maybe to William and JB. What are you seeing in terms of the local competitors, especially in Malaysia and some extent we are also seeing in Indonesia? There's a lot of announcements coming through from local competitors, coming from the datacenter industry, coming from other utility industries as well. Are you starting to see them in some of the bids that you're participating in? Speaker 300:51:41Or is this still a separate market for you compared to these local players who are announcing big data center deals? Speaker 200:51:55So I think in Malaysia, typically let's say Malaysia or Indonesia by time, right? I think we definitely have the 1st mover advantage, number 1. I think because we are the pioneer to step in this market and because we already know we know better than anyone else in this region about the technology trends. And we know we have much better understanding our customer needs. So we know where they will go and when they will go and how we will do, right? Speaker 200:52:38So I think this is a different advantage we already have than anyone else in this market. So frankly speaking, before the 2028, I think the most of the power in this region, we already secured most of the power. So I think the even a lot of the new player jump into this market. There's I think the time to market will be behind us. Speaker 300:53:16Got it. Yes. Thank you very much. Thanks. Operator00:53:20Thank you. We will now take our next question. Please stand by. Next question is from the line of Sara Wang from UBS. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:53:37Thank you. Just one quick question. So for the China business, given the backlog might be signed a couple of years ago, so I'm just wondering if the AI driven demand will simply drive acceleration of execution of the previous backlog or will there be any changes to the contract terms maybe previously? Thank you. Operator00:54:18Thank Speaker 100:54:27Sorry, we tried to answer this question, operator. Yes. Thank Speaker 200:54:34you. Yes, of course, I think the moving I think in China, the main driver is the Internet and the past the traditional cloud and AI. Traditional growth is still very slow and now the most of the demands are driven by the AI and the Internet. So I think we are as I mentioned, we are already start to benefit on that, right? So our Q1 moving is mainly driven by the AI and Internet company. Speaker 200:55:16And we expect that it will continue, yes. Speaker 100:55:21Got it. Speaker 300:55:21Is that Speaker 200:55:21your question? Is that your question? Speaker 900:55:24Yes, not really. So I'm just wondering if the AI driven demand will simply drive acceleration of backlog ramp up or will there be any changes to the contract terms given the backlog might be signed a couple of years ago? Speaker 400:55:39Yes. Let me have a go. Yes, obviously, our backlog is mainly cloud service providers. Yes. So I listened to China's largest cloud service providers earnings call and they talk about how they're integrating AI into their cloud business and how AI development is driving demand for their cloud business. Speaker 400:56:04So I think if you have cloud service providers in your backlog, then yes, their successful development and bring to market AI enabled products and services will contribute to, you could call it, AI growth, but also to demand for cloud services. Speaker 900:56:30Okay, got it. Thank you. Operator00:56:36Thank you. As there are no further questions, I'd like to now turn the call back over to the company for closing remarks. Speaker 100:56:47Thank you all once again for joining us today. If you have further questions, please feel free to contact GDS Investor Relations through the contact information on our website or the PISANTI Financial Communications. See you next time.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by