NASDAQ:CTKB Cytek Biosciences Q1 2024 Earnings Report $3.65 -0.02 (-0.54%) Closing price 04/17/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$3.64 0.00 (-0.14%) As of 04/17/2025 04:35 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Cytek Biosciences EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.05Consensus EPS -$0.05Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPSN/ACytek Biosciences Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$44.86 millionExpected Revenue$43.86 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$1.00 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACytek Biosciences Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/8/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, May 8, 2024Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsCytek Biosciences' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, May 7, 2025 at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Cytek Biosciences Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 8, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:01Thank you for standing by. My name is Liz, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the Citec Biosciences First Quarter 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Paul Goodson, Investor Relations. Operator00:00:36Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:41Thank you, operator. Earlier today, Cytec Biosciences released financial results for the quarter ended March 31, 2024. If you haven't received this news release or if you'd like to be added to the company's distribution list, please send an email to investorscitechbio.com. Joining me today from Citec are Wenbin Zhang, CEO and newly appointed CFO, Bill McComb. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that management will make statements during this call that are forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements regarding Citec's business plans, strategies, opportunities and financial projections. Speaker 100:01:25These statements are based on the company's current expectations and inherently involve significant risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to materially differ from those anticipated. Additional information regarding these risks and uncertainties appears in the section entitled Forward Looking Statements in the press release Cytec issued today and in CITEC's filings with the SEC. This call will also include a discussion of certain financial measures that are not calculated in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. Reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure may be found in today's earnings release submitted to the SEC. Except as required by law, Cytec disclaims any duty to update any forward looking statements whether because of new information, future events or changes in its expectations. Speaker 100:02:21This conference call contains time sensitive information and is accurate only as of the live broadcast, May 8, 2024. Before Wen Bin speaks, I would like to mention that Cytec will be participating in a variety of industry and academic conferences, meetings and seminars throughout 2024. While these are primarily geared to the scientific community, they may offer an opportunity to interact with users of our technologies to learn why CITEX instruments are so highly valued by our customers. There is a cost to attend most events and we have a limited number of spaces to accommodate members of the financial community. So if you are interested in attending, please contact me. Speaker 100:03:06With that, I would like to turn the call over to Wen Bin. Speaker 200:03:11Thanks, Paul. Welcome everyone and thank you for your interest in Citec. On the call today, I will discuss our performance for the Q1 of 2024 and the progress achieved on our strategic objectives to drive sustainable growth and profitability. Then I will turn the call over to Bill for a more detailed look at our financial results and our outlook for 2024 before we open it up for Q and A. Our strategic priorities in 2024 are centered on strengthening our competitive position with an eye towards improving operational leverage. Speaker 200:03:58We are focused on driving revenue growth, margin expansion and the capital efficiency. These objectives are part of our balanced business strategy to deliver sustainable profitability and maximize free cash flow. Turning to specifics and our Q1 revenue results. We achieved $44,900,000 representing growth of 21% year over year. Organic revenue grew 11%, excluding acquisition related revenue of $7,600,000 in the Q1 of 2024. Speaker 200:04:42We began to see improvement in organic revenue growth in the Q4 of 2023, which we were pleased to see continue into the Q1. Total organic revenue grew 11% in the 1st quarter, driven by strong growth in our services revenue from our increasing installed base. Organic revenue growth was also driven by continued growth in our product revenue. Longer term, we expect our recurring services and the reagents revenue will be strong growth drivers for Citec. In the Q1, we expanded our global footprint with 99 organicsided instruments sold, reaching a total installed base of 2,247 instruments. Speaker 200:05:40This number does not include the thousands of installed AMNEX and Guava instruments. Ordering trends in the Q1 for both organic and inorganic products were largely within our expectations, but with some missed activity levels by region. Specifically, we experienced increased stress across Europe and China, where Cytec SP products are also becoming well established as a market leader in flow cytometry. We are seeing customers gradually returning to their regular buying patterns in these regions. However, in the U. Speaker 200:06:23S. And APAC, excluding China, we continued to see some elongated sales cycles. In the Q1, we continued to make strategic investments to increase the efficiency and the performance of our operations. In March, we announced that we opened a new 50,000 square foot facility in Wuxi, China to meet the rising global demand for our cutting edge cell analysis solutions. With this facility, we are able to increase our manufacturing capacity and foster unique vendor relationships to drive operational efficiencies and further our competitive advantage over industry peers. Speaker 200:07:14Turning to bioinformatics. Our primary goal is to enable our customers to streamline their experiment workflow through our software tools, which drive adoption and the utilization of our cell analysis solutions. One way we track our success in bioinformatics is through user engagement and demand for our core bioinformatics offerings, the Scitech Cloud. I'm pleased to report that we now have over 8,500 users, representing an average of more than 3 Scitech Cloud users per installed Sysir FSP instruments. As a reminder, Sysir Cloud's digital ecosystem offers a comprehensive suite of special panel design tools, seamlessly integrated into a centralized platform, forming a unified ecosystem. Speaker 200:08:15Our cutting edge solution empowers researchers to prepare and optimize their experiments remotely, streamlining the process from panel design to data acquisition. We are also pleased to share that this week at the cycle conference, the primary flow cytometry conference worldwide, we launched our Special Panel software package through an early accessible one. Special panel is an intelligent design algorithm that automatically designs high quality panels for optimal multi resolution and is optimized specifically to use on SiTech SSP instruments. We expect the Special Panel tool to make SiTech instruments even easier to use and will save researchers time and money by allowing a broader range of regions to be selected automatically for the design panel to achieve biological objectives with optimized beta quality. We recently pre announced this solution on our social media channels, and we encourage you to follow the discussion there for more information. Speaker 200:09:38On the clinical front, we have previously reported our success at obtaining the IBDR compliance for our single laser physical TGNK panel in the EU market. I'm pleased to report that just last week, our application for this 6 color TBMK panel on our single laser NLCLC instrument was approved in China. This approval is unique to SiTech and is an important development as previous regulatory approvals for CBN K analysis have been based on using 2 laser instruments. Using SiTech's 1 laser system will provide important advantages to our users in the form of lower costs, more reliable operation and more consistent results to support laboratory standardization. Overall, the start to 2024 was encouraging with a resumption of organic growth and improved customer purchasing patterns, trends that we began seeing in the Q4 that continued through the balance of the Q1. Speaker 200:10:55It is a testimony to our position as an industry leader in comprehensive cell analysis solution and the clear underlying demand for our products. We are purpose built to advance next generation cell analysis with our end to end platform addressing the direct needs of our customers to advance their research, and we believe this continues to be a valuable and important differentiator for Citek. With that, I will now turn the call over to Bill for more details around our financials. Speaker 300:11:34Thanks, Weng Bin. Before reviewing more details around our financials, I wanted to express my gratitude for the opportunity to join this innovative company and play a meaningful role in charting the next chapter of Citec's continued success. I believe there is tremendous growth potential at CITEC, and I look forward to working alongside this team to drive sustainable growth and long term value creation. Total revenue for the Q1 of 2024 was $44,900,000 a 21% increase over the Q1 of 2023. The Q1 of 20 and contributed $3,500,000 of revenue to that quarter. Speaker 300:12:28Organic revenue, which excludes revenue from the acquired Luminex business, was $37,300,000 in the Q1 of 2024, an increase of 11% compared to the Q1 of 2023. Beginning in the Q2 and going forward, the acquired Luminex business will have been owned for the full prior year quarter, so we will no longer break out this revenue separately. Gross profit was $23,000,000 for the Q1 of 2024, an increase of 9% compared to a gross profit of $21,000,000 in the Q1 of 2023. GAAP gross profit margin was 51% in the Q1 of 2024 compared to 57% in the prior year quarter. Inventory adjustments of a one time nature arising from the integration of the Luminex inventories into the Citex system contributed 2% of the margin deterioration. Speaker 300:13:33Higher overhead expenses, which were lower than the Q4 of 2023 but higher relative to revenue in the Q1, drove the remainder of the margin decline. We expect overhead expenses will remain fairly constant over the balance of the year and will gradually decline as a percentage of revenue. Adjusted gross profit margin, which excludes stock based compensation expense and amortization of acquisition related intangibles, was 55% in the Q1 of 2024 compared to 59% in the prior year quarter. Operating expenses were $33,700,000 for the Q1 of 2024, increasing 1.6% from $33,200,000 in the Q1 of 2023, driven primarily by an increase in headcount and personnel related expenses. Notably, operating expenses increased at a substantially lower rate than our revenue growth in the same period, demonstrating our focus on operating leverage. Speaker 300:14:42Research and development expenses were relatively flat at $9,800,000 for the Q1 of 2024 as compared to $10,000,000 for the prior year period. Sales and marketing expenses were $12,500,000 for the Q1 of 2024 as compared to $11,100,000 for the prior year period. The increase of $1,400,000 was primarily due to increased headcount and related expenses. General and administrative expenses were $11,400,000 for the Q1 of 2024 as compared to $12,100,000 for the prior year period. The decrease of $700,000 was driven by acquisition related legal expenses in the prior year period not reoccurring, offset by higher consulting expenses. Speaker 300:15:36Loss from operations was $10,700,000 for the Q1 compared to a loss from operations of 12 $200,000 for the Q1 of 2023. Net loss in the Q1 of 2024 was $6,200,000 as compared to $6,800,000 in the prior year. This was primarily due to a lower loss from operations, offset by lower other income, which was due to unrealized foreign exchange losses. Adjusted EBITDA, which excludes stock based compensation expense and foreign currency impacts for the Q1 of 2024 was a reduced loss of $700,000 compared to a loss of $2,500,000 in the Q1 of 2023. This was due to higher revenue and gross profit. Speaker 300:16:28We are committed to continuing to improve our profitability going forward by driving revenue growth and controlling costs. Cash from operations for the Q1 of 2024 was a positive $4,000,000 and total cash and marketable securities increased by $7,700,000 in the quarter to 270,400,000 dollars With healthy cash reserves, no meaningful debt and positive operational cash flow, we continue to operate from a position of strength and can fully support our global growth initiatives. Now turning to our outlook for the full year 2024. Today, we are reiterating our 2024 revenue guidance, which we expect to be in the range of 203 $1,000,000 to $213,000,000 representing 5% to 10% growth over our 2023 total revenue and this assumes no change in currency exchange rates. We started the year with the 1st quarter results showing a continuation of improvements in ordering trends, which support our full year outlook. Speaker 300:17:40As we look ahead, we continue to expect modest growth across all our product and service lines with most of that growth being weighted towards the second half of the year, consistent with historical spending patterns of our customer base. We expect that our 2024 revenue growth, combined with our ongoing cost control efforts, will position us to report positive GAAP net income for the full year 2024. With that, I will turn it back over to Weng Bin. Speaker 200:18:13Thanks, Bill. I want to express my gratitude to our exceptional Cytec team for their dedication to driving our mission forward. It is their unwavering belief in our mission coupled with the effective execution of our business strategy that positions Citec as a frontrunner in advancing the next generation of cell analysis. The increasing application of cell analysis in fields across healthcare, including immuno oncology, infectious diseases and immunology has led to rising need for advanced cell analysis solutions. We are uniquely positioned to serve these attractive end markets as an industry leader in next generation cell analysis solutions, underpinned by long term recurring growth drivers in services and the RAS regions. Speaker 200:19:12I'm excited for our roadmap ahead to address this demand as we build comprehensive and competitive solutions and empower scientists directly with the tools and support they need to advance their research. I want to thank everyone for joining today's call and we will now open it up for questions. Operator? Operator00:19:57Your first question comes from the line of Tijja Sivan from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:20:05Good evening and thanks for the time here. Wembinn, looks like a decent start to the year on both products and service revenue and placements as well. I wanted to ask you on your comments on China and Europe to start with. Could you just elaborate on what you're seeing there across your academic and pharma customer base, especially in China? And then in light of that recent stimulus program that's about to be rolled out over the next 3 years or so, is that starting to show up in your early customer conversations in the funnel just yet? Speaker 400:20:39And any anecdotal color you can share on potential benefit perhaps not in 2024 but into 2025 beyond would be great? Thank you. Speaker 200:20:52Actually in China, today, our current primary growth is from academic space, mostly universities and research institutions. Now regarding to your question on the in central program, it's coming, but we haven't seen the benefits yet. We expect probably will help for the second half of the year. Speaker 400:21:20Got it. That's helpful. And then I want to ask you on reagent rentals during the quarter. In terms of just the order book, what fraction of the orders this quarter were reagent rentals versus upfront Speaker 200:21:45And of And of course, going forward, as we continue with regarding to our clinical business, we might see the kind of more impactful revenue to Citec, mostly on the agent side. But it's just right now, it's still in the early stage. Speaker 400:22:08Perfect. And last one for me here on just the competitive dynamics here. Are you seeing any heavier sort of price discounting from your next gen flow peers, Sony, BD, etcetera, as the industry grapples with instrument purchasing headwinds and elongated sort of purchasing cycles as you called out at least in North America and APAC ex China? Speaker 200:22:35We do start to see new players in this space. This is a reflection of our success with regarding to driving the flow cytometry industry towards the full spectrum technology, which we pioneered 7 years ago. So previously, we probably more trying to convert conventional into special. And now the whole industry is truly convinced this is the direction, this is the future. Cytec is clearly a leader in this space, in this technology. Speaker 200:23:12This is also reflected in the just finished cycle meeting in Edinburgh. And it's very exciting and we are very encouraged with what we have seen over there. Speaker 400:23:25Got it. Super helpful. Thanks guys. Appreciate the time. Operator00:23:31And your next question comes from the line of Matthew Sykes from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:23:38Hello. Thank you for taking my question. This is Jake on for Matt. So you saw a sequential step down in organic revenue. Can we attribute that to seasonality in the quarter? Speaker 500:23:48And then can you also talk about how you're thinking about the pacing of growth throughout the rest of the year? Thank you. Speaker 200:23:57I think I'll let Bill to handle that question. Speaker 300:24:01Not sure I understood it, but our organic revenue actually increased substantially in this quarter compared to Q4 sequentially. It was increased from, I believe, around 1% to 11%. So we saw a meaningful improvement in organic revenue growth. As far as did I understand your question correctly? Speaker 200:24:31Yes. Yes, you did. Speaker 300:24:32Okay. So that's the answer there, meaningful uptick in organic revenue growth. And as far as revenue staging is concerned, look, I think we are still comfortable with the revenue guidance that we gave for the year. Obviously, that implies some quarterly revenue growth during the balance of the year, And we would expect that to follow a similar pattern to recent years. I think we're ready for the next question, operator. Operator00:25:23Yes. And your next question comes from the line of David Westenberg from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:25:31Hi. Thanks for taking the question. So just welcome, William, and I'll just go ahead and pick on you since this is your first earnings call. So the margins missed the Street by a little bit. This is probably a lot to do with services mix. Speaker 600:25:53And is some of this potentially also just the way customers are buying the instrument on more services contracts? And then with all that in mind, how should we think about gross margins the rest of the year just in terms of pacing? And could we be seeing, as we go into 2025, 2026, maybe this reset to this level of gross margins? Thank you. Speaker 300:26:20Thank you for the welcome and for the question. The decline in gross margin was due to a couple of very specific things. It did not there's no change in the way that customers are buying our product. It's not related to product mix or anything like that. It's 2 very specific factors. Speaker 300:26:44One of which was an unusual inventory adjustment. And as we mentioned in the press release or in the prepared remarks, this is something that was caused by the integration of Luminex inventories into the Citex system. That had to be done. The inventories post acquisition were a significant portion of them were held in a 3rd party warehouse and 3rd party ERP system. And when those were finally integrated into our system, that was a manual process. Speaker 300:27:26There were literally thousands of SKUs and there were just a few errors, like a small handful of errors made. So it's a unique set of circumstances that we wouldn't expect to recur in the ordinary course. So that accounted for about 2% of the margin decline. The balance related to overhead absorption, this is although overhead expenses were actually a little bit less than Q4, but broadly comparable, revenue was lower than Q4. So we had less overhead absorption and that had a negative impact on margin. Speaker 300:28:12And as we mentioned, we would expect that to revert over the course of the year as quarterly revenue increases. So the one timer on inventory, we would we do expect that, that was a one timer. And then the overhead impact, we would expect that, that would ameliorate over the course of the year. Speaker 600:28:37Got it. So the real way to think about the rest of the year is that 55% kind of number and maybe take it off from there or march from there? Speaker 300:28:48I don't want to be specific about margin guidance. It's not something that we've done. I would just say that we're certainly our goal is to get back to our historic gross margins. Speaker 600:29:04Perfect. All right. Well, thank you on that. Lots of great detail there. And so just, Wen Bin, I think you said, Asia and in Europe, you're seeing, some of the return of capital cycle purchases. Speaker 600:29:20I just want to make sure I heard that correctly. And I think you were saying maybe this could be an analog to the U. S. And what might be happening in the U. S. Speaker 600:29:29Or North America. I just want to confirm I heard that correctly and can you elaborate a little bit on what you're seeing there and why you're optimistic in terms of that? Speaker 200:29:42And we are seeing this and particularly in Europe and China, and we are seeing the purchasing coming back to we're returning to normal this way. And this actually started in Q4, which continued in Q1. That's very encouraging. And on the other hand, we do see continued elongated purchasing cycle in the U. S. Speaker 200:30:10As well as APAC, excluding China. But we are going those orders will return and it's not lost a bit of us and they will come back and they will close. We expect them to close. Speaker 600:30:29Got it. Just on my last one, just in terms of customers using larger or the full potential of full Spectraflow cytometry, full spectra flow cytometry. Are you seeing an increase of that usage? And when you are seeing an increase of that, are you seeing them order CITEX specific reagents? And just give me a little bit more color on how you're seeing adoption in terms of reagents there? Speaker 600:31:00And that will be my last one. Thank you. Speaker 200:31:03We are definitely seeing encouragement across the industry, especially with farmers, and they start to validate our instruments and harmonize our instruments across the organization. And they are continuing to come back to expand the number of instruments they have across their organization. Organization. So, we are talking about users, we are actually not a few in the whole organization, even 100 of those users are instrument today. So in some organization, very encouraging. Speaker 600:31:40Thank you. Operator00:31:44And your next question comes from the line of Andrew Cooper from Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:31:51Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. This is Noah on for Andrew. So my first question is, you talked about instrument sales coming in where you thought they'd come in. Were you seeing any particular strength across particular instruments? Speaker 700:32:06So would that be the sell sort in the higher end products? Or is that mostly from other places within the portfolio? Speaker 200:32:15Our strengths continue to be our flagship product, which is Aurora, and we see continue to grow. Of course, in the meantime, and we are going to focus more and more towards entry and the mid level and to drive adoption across our product portfolio. Speaker 700:32:37Awesome. Thank you so much. And one more question. You guys launched the Orion reagent mixer in 4Q of 2023. And I understand that the dollars are going to be minimal, but have you seen, any new doors open for the rest of the business because now you've had a full quarter selling and possibly seen any reagent pull through on that end? Speaker 200:33:00While a new instrument you've launched, the first thing is to demo to work with customers to validate the instrument before they are actually put into production on the customer side. And we have seen very encouraging trend right now and the interest from our customer base. Awesome. Thank you. Operator00:33:26And your next question comes from the line of Maison Carico from Stephens. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:33:35Hey, guys. Just two questions for me here. First, given the funding environment and budget constraints that you're seeing for customers that are interested in buying maybe one of your higher end instruments, Are the majority of these customers I don't want to say majority, but for the customers that are delaying their purchases, are they simply delaying making that purchase? Or is there a trend of them maybe moving down the price continuum and buying perhaps the mid tier instrument? Speaker 200:34:14I just mentioned, we continue to see greater interest on our flash product, which is Aurora and the Aurora CS. And so in that regard, we don't really see much change regarding to how budget will impact the buying behavior. But in long dated buying cycle is particularly related to the U. S. And APAC region, which has been definitely for quite a while. Speaker 200:34:44But they don't all come. It just takes a longer time for them to make decision. That's what we are seeing. Speaker 500:34:51Got it. Okay. And maybe kind of the opposite question here, but last quarter you talked about seeing early success in converting existing guava customers to your Northern Lights platform. Has that trend continued? And really, when it comes to your Northern Lights sales, what proportion of those sales are going to existing guava customers versus non guava customers? Speaker 200:35:23In the previous session, we did have mentioned that Guava customers do have their specialized needs, which today are not really being satisfied by the Northern Lights. This is because Guava, in particular, some of the platform is menu driven, while Northern Lights is more designed for individual users with flexibility. And this is something we are working on on the software side to enable us to facilitate those needs from the GuaBaa customers. We expect this eventually will be adjusted by them and more GuaBao users will convert. Speaker 500:36:07Got it. Thank you, guys. Operator00:36:12And your next question comes from the line of Jacqueline Kisse from TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:36:19Hi, this is Jacqueline Kisa on for Steven Ma. Congrats on the approvals and the facility opening. Looking forward on your clinical progress, are there any specific clinical milestones we can expect to see on the horizon now that you've gained approval for your TBNK panel and reagents? Speaker 200:36:37Yes, absolutely. We expect to see continued growth to drive our reagent business. And of course, in the meantime, we hope and that will also help us to grow our normalized CLC instrumentation. But earlier, there was a question regarding to valuation rental, which will also be helpful because approved CBMK will enable users to come back for our instrument as well to support that type of business model. Speaker 800:37:12Great. Thank you. And has the opening of the new facility driven any demand or customer conversations? And will the facility focus more on supporting clinical applications or more just provide support across the board? Speaker 200:37:26The facility is to support across the board for our product manufacturing, mostly instrument manufacturing. Speaker 800:37:35Great. Thank you. And if I could just sneak one more in. Late last year, you launched a software improvement on Northern Lights. Have you received any feedback from that from customers? Speaker 800:37:44And is there any room for similar product improvements on the rest of portfolio? Speaker 200:37:51No, actually, we do have heard encouraging comment from the customer with regarding to the new software, which enable those conventional instrumentations to leverage the special features in the meantime reduce the kind of barriers to move from one platform to the other. I think we feel it's a great success. Speaker 800:38:14Great. Thank you. Appreciate it. Operator00:38:44There are no further questions at this time. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you allRead morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCytek Biosciences Q1 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Cytek Biosciences Earnings HeadlinesTesla Stock Eyes Breakout With Earnings on DeckTesla is down nearly 50% from its highs, but analysts still see 40% upside ahead of earnings. A double bottom and rising RSI signal a possible reversal.April 16 at 9:11 AM | marketbeat.comTesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) Stock Price Down 1.8% on Analyst DowngradeApril 18 at 1:11 AM | americanbankingnews.comBREAKING: Trump Bans NVIDIA Chips to ChinaOn April 16th, 2025, President Trump banned Nvidia from selling its most advanced semiconductors to China. That brings the U.S. and China closer to war than at any time since the Korean War ended in 1953.April 18, 2025 | Behind the Markets (Ad)New Bill: Representative Donald Norcross introduces H.R. 2692: No Tax Breaks for Union Busting (NTBUB) ActApril 17 at 10:47 PM | quiverquant.comTesla (TSLA) Reduces Cybertruck Production Amid Workforce AdjustmentsApril 17 at 8:46 PM | gurufocus.comTesla (TSLA) Reduces Cybertruck Production Amid Shifting FocusApril 17 at 8:46 PM | gurufocus.comSee More Tesla Headlines Get Earnings Announcements in your inboxWant to stay updated on the latest earnings announcements and upcoming reports for companies like Cytek Biosciences? Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on Cytek Biosciences and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About Cytek BiosciencesCytek Biosciences (NASDAQ:CTKB), a cell analysis solutions company, provides cell analysis tools that facilitates scientific advances in biomedical research and clinical applications. It offers aurora and northern lights systems, which are spectrum flow cytometers that delivers cell analysis by utilizing the fluorescence signatures from multiple lasers to distinguish fluorescent tags on single cells; and aurora cell sorter system that leverages full spectrum profiling technology to further broaden potential applications across cell analysis; aurora CS systems; amnis imagestream imaging flow cytometers; guava muse cell analyzers; guava easycyte flow cytometers; and orion reagent cocktail preparation systems. The company also provides reagents and kits, including cFluor reagents that are fluorochrome conjugated antibodies used to identify cells of interest for analysis on its instruments, as well as 25-color immunoprofiling assay that provides turnkey solutions for identifying major human immune subpopulations for TBNK cells, monocytes, dendritic cells, and basophils. In addition, it offers automated micro-sampling system and automated sample loader system, an automated loaders to integrate seamlessly into the aurora and northern lights systems; SpectroFlo software that provides intuitive workflow from quality control to data analysis for aurora and northern lights systems; and customer support tools. The company serves pharmaceutical and biopharma companies, academic research centers, and clinical research organizations. It distributes its products through direct sales force and support organizations in North America, Europe, China, and the Asia-Pacific regions; and through distributors or sales agents in European, Latin American, and the Middle Eastern countries. The company was formerly known as Cytoville, Inc. and changed its name to Cytek Biosciences, Inc. in August 2015. Cytek Biosciences, Inc. was founded in 1992 and is headquartered in Fremont, California.View Cytek Biosciences ProfileRead more More Earnings Resources from MarketBeat Earnings Tools Today's Earnings Tomorrow's Earnings Next Week's Earnings Upcoming Earnings Calls Earnings Newsletter Earnings Call Transcripts Earnings Beats & Misses Corporate Guidance Earnings Screener Earnings By Country U.S. Earnings Reports Canadian Earnings Reports U.K. Earnings Reports Latest Articles 3 Reasons to Like the Look of Amazon Ahead of EarningsTesla Stock Eyes Breakout With Earnings on DeckJohnson & Johnson Earnings Were More Good Than Bad—Time to Buy? Why Analysts Boosted United Airlines Stock Ahead of EarningsLamb Weston Stock Rises, Earnings Provide Calm Amidst ChaosIntuitive Machines Gains After Earnings Beat, NASA Missions AheadCintas Delivers Earnings Beat, Signals More Growth Ahead Upcoming Earnings HDFC Bank (4/18/2025)Intuitive Surgical (4/22/2025)Tesla (4/22/2025)Chubb (4/22/2025)Canadian National Railway (4/22/2025)Capital One Financial (4/22/2025)Danaher (4/22/2025)Elevance Health (4/22/2025)General Electric (4/22/2025)Lockheed Martin (4/22/2025) Get 30 Days of MarketBeat All Access for Free Sign up for MarketBeat All Access to gain access to MarketBeat's full suite of research tools. Start Your 30-Day Trial MarketBeat All Access Features Best-in-Class Portfolio Monitoring Get personalized stock ideas. Compare portfolio to indices. Check stock news, ratings, SEC filings, and more. Stock Ideas and Recommendations See daily stock ideas from top analysts. Receive short-term trading ideas from MarketBeat. Identify trending stocks on social media. Advanced Stock Screeners and Research Tools Use our seven stock screeners to find suitable stocks. Stay informed with MarketBeat's real-time news. Export data to Excel for personal analysis. Sign in to your free account to enjoy these benefits In-depth profiles and analysis for 20,000 public companies. Real-time analyst ratings, insider transactions, earnings data, and more. Our daily ratings and market update email newsletter. Sign in to your free account to enjoy all that MarketBeat has to offer. Sign In Create Account Your Email Address: Email Address Required Your Password: Password Required Log In or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google Forgot your password? Your Email Address: Please enter your email address. Please enter a valid email address Choose a Password: Please enter your password. Your password must be at least 8 characters long and contain at least 1 number, 1 letter, and 1 special character. Create My Account (Free) or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google By creating a free account, you agree to our terms of service. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:01Thank you for standing by. My name is Liz, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the Citec Biosciences First Quarter 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Paul Goodson, Investor Relations. Operator00:00:36Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:41Thank you, operator. Earlier today, Cytec Biosciences released financial results for the quarter ended March 31, 2024. If you haven't received this news release or if you'd like to be added to the company's distribution list, please send an email to investorscitechbio.com. Joining me today from Citec are Wenbin Zhang, CEO and newly appointed CFO, Bill McComb. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that management will make statements during this call that are forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements regarding Citec's business plans, strategies, opportunities and financial projections. Speaker 100:01:25These statements are based on the company's current expectations and inherently involve significant risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to materially differ from those anticipated. Additional information regarding these risks and uncertainties appears in the section entitled Forward Looking Statements in the press release Cytec issued today and in CITEC's filings with the SEC. This call will also include a discussion of certain financial measures that are not calculated in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. Reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure may be found in today's earnings release submitted to the SEC. Except as required by law, Cytec disclaims any duty to update any forward looking statements whether because of new information, future events or changes in its expectations. Speaker 100:02:21This conference call contains time sensitive information and is accurate only as of the live broadcast, May 8, 2024. Before Wen Bin speaks, I would like to mention that Cytec will be participating in a variety of industry and academic conferences, meetings and seminars throughout 2024. While these are primarily geared to the scientific community, they may offer an opportunity to interact with users of our technologies to learn why CITEX instruments are so highly valued by our customers. There is a cost to attend most events and we have a limited number of spaces to accommodate members of the financial community. So if you are interested in attending, please contact me. Speaker 100:03:06With that, I would like to turn the call over to Wen Bin. Speaker 200:03:11Thanks, Paul. Welcome everyone and thank you for your interest in Citec. On the call today, I will discuss our performance for the Q1 of 2024 and the progress achieved on our strategic objectives to drive sustainable growth and profitability. Then I will turn the call over to Bill for a more detailed look at our financial results and our outlook for 2024 before we open it up for Q and A. Our strategic priorities in 2024 are centered on strengthening our competitive position with an eye towards improving operational leverage. Speaker 200:03:58We are focused on driving revenue growth, margin expansion and the capital efficiency. These objectives are part of our balanced business strategy to deliver sustainable profitability and maximize free cash flow. Turning to specifics and our Q1 revenue results. We achieved $44,900,000 representing growth of 21% year over year. Organic revenue grew 11%, excluding acquisition related revenue of $7,600,000 in the Q1 of 2024. Speaker 200:04:42We began to see improvement in organic revenue growth in the Q4 of 2023, which we were pleased to see continue into the Q1. Total organic revenue grew 11% in the 1st quarter, driven by strong growth in our services revenue from our increasing installed base. Organic revenue growth was also driven by continued growth in our product revenue. Longer term, we expect our recurring services and the reagents revenue will be strong growth drivers for Citec. In the Q1, we expanded our global footprint with 99 organicsided instruments sold, reaching a total installed base of 2,247 instruments. Speaker 200:05:40This number does not include the thousands of installed AMNEX and Guava instruments. Ordering trends in the Q1 for both organic and inorganic products were largely within our expectations, but with some missed activity levels by region. Specifically, we experienced increased stress across Europe and China, where Cytec SP products are also becoming well established as a market leader in flow cytometry. We are seeing customers gradually returning to their regular buying patterns in these regions. However, in the U. Speaker 200:06:23S. And APAC, excluding China, we continued to see some elongated sales cycles. In the Q1, we continued to make strategic investments to increase the efficiency and the performance of our operations. In March, we announced that we opened a new 50,000 square foot facility in Wuxi, China to meet the rising global demand for our cutting edge cell analysis solutions. With this facility, we are able to increase our manufacturing capacity and foster unique vendor relationships to drive operational efficiencies and further our competitive advantage over industry peers. Speaker 200:07:14Turning to bioinformatics. Our primary goal is to enable our customers to streamline their experiment workflow through our software tools, which drive adoption and the utilization of our cell analysis solutions. One way we track our success in bioinformatics is through user engagement and demand for our core bioinformatics offerings, the Scitech Cloud. I'm pleased to report that we now have over 8,500 users, representing an average of more than 3 Scitech Cloud users per installed Sysir FSP instruments. As a reminder, Sysir Cloud's digital ecosystem offers a comprehensive suite of special panel design tools, seamlessly integrated into a centralized platform, forming a unified ecosystem. Speaker 200:08:15Our cutting edge solution empowers researchers to prepare and optimize their experiments remotely, streamlining the process from panel design to data acquisition. We are also pleased to share that this week at the cycle conference, the primary flow cytometry conference worldwide, we launched our Special Panel software package through an early accessible one. Special panel is an intelligent design algorithm that automatically designs high quality panels for optimal multi resolution and is optimized specifically to use on SiTech SSP instruments. We expect the Special Panel tool to make SiTech instruments even easier to use and will save researchers time and money by allowing a broader range of regions to be selected automatically for the design panel to achieve biological objectives with optimized beta quality. We recently pre announced this solution on our social media channels, and we encourage you to follow the discussion there for more information. Speaker 200:09:38On the clinical front, we have previously reported our success at obtaining the IBDR compliance for our single laser physical TGNK panel in the EU market. I'm pleased to report that just last week, our application for this 6 color TBMK panel on our single laser NLCLC instrument was approved in China. This approval is unique to SiTech and is an important development as previous regulatory approvals for CBN K analysis have been based on using 2 laser instruments. Using SiTech's 1 laser system will provide important advantages to our users in the form of lower costs, more reliable operation and more consistent results to support laboratory standardization. Overall, the start to 2024 was encouraging with a resumption of organic growth and improved customer purchasing patterns, trends that we began seeing in the Q4 that continued through the balance of the Q1. Speaker 200:10:55It is a testimony to our position as an industry leader in comprehensive cell analysis solution and the clear underlying demand for our products. We are purpose built to advance next generation cell analysis with our end to end platform addressing the direct needs of our customers to advance their research, and we believe this continues to be a valuable and important differentiator for Citek. With that, I will now turn the call over to Bill for more details around our financials. Speaker 300:11:34Thanks, Weng Bin. Before reviewing more details around our financials, I wanted to express my gratitude for the opportunity to join this innovative company and play a meaningful role in charting the next chapter of Citec's continued success. I believe there is tremendous growth potential at CITEC, and I look forward to working alongside this team to drive sustainable growth and long term value creation. Total revenue for the Q1 of 2024 was $44,900,000 a 21% increase over the Q1 of 2023. The Q1 of 20 and contributed $3,500,000 of revenue to that quarter. Speaker 300:12:28Organic revenue, which excludes revenue from the acquired Luminex business, was $37,300,000 in the Q1 of 2024, an increase of 11% compared to the Q1 of 2023. Beginning in the Q2 and going forward, the acquired Luminex business will have been owned for the full prior year quarter, so we will no longer break out this revenue separately. Gross profit was $23,000,000 for the Q1 of 2024, an increase of 9% compared to a gross profit of $21,000,000 in the Q1 of 2023. GAAP gross profit margin was 51% in the Q1 of 2024 compared to 57% in the prior year quarter. Inventory adjustments of a one time nature arising from the integration of the Luminex inventories into the Citex system contributed 2% of the margin deterioration. Speaker 300:13:33Higher overhead expenses, which were lower than the Q4 of 2023 but higher relative to revenue in the Q1, drove the remainder of the margin decline. We expect overhead expenses will remain fairly constant over the balance of the year and will gradually decline as a percentage of revenue. Adjusted gross profit margin, which excludes stock based compensation expense and amortization of acquisition related intangibles, was 55% in the Q1 of 2024 compared to 59% in the prior year quarter. Operating expenses were $33,700,000 for the Q1 of 2024, increasing 1.6% from $33,200,000 in the Q1 of 2023, driven primarily by an increase in headcount and personnel related expenses. Notably, operating expenses increased at a substantially lower rate than our revenue growth in the same period, demonstrating our focus on operating leverage. Speaker 300:14:42Research and development expenses were relatively flat at $9,800,000 for the Q1 of 2024 as compared to $10,000,000 for the prior year period. Sales and marketing expenses were $12,500,000 for the Q1 of 2024 as compared to $11,100,000 for the prior year period. The increase of $1,400,000 was primarily due to increased headcount and related expenses. General and administrative expenses were $11,400,000 for the Q1 of 2024 as compared to $12,100,000 for the prior year period. The decrease of $700,000 was driven by acquisition related legal expenses in the prior year period not reoccurring, offset by higher consulting expenses. Speaker 300:15:36Loss from operations was $10,700,000 for the Q1 compared to a loss from operations of 12 $200,000 for the Q1 of 2023. Net loss in the Q1 of 2024 was $6,200,000 as compared to $6,800,000 in the prior year. This was primarily due to a lower loss from operations, offset by lower other income, which was due to unrealized foreign exchange losses. Adjusted EBITDA, which excludes stock based compensation expense and foreign currency impacts for the Q1 of 2024 was a reduced loss of $700,000 compared to a loss of $2,500,000 in the Q1 of 2023. This was due to higher revenue and gross profit. Speaker 300:16:28We are committed to continuing to improve our profitability going forward by driving revenue growth and controlling costs. Cash from operations for the Q1 of 2024 was a positive $4,000,000 and total cash and marketable securities increased by $7,700,000 in the quarter to 270,400,000 dollars With healthy cash reserves, no meaningful debt and positive operational cash flow, we continue to operate from a position of strength and can fully support our global growth initiatives. Now turning to our outlook for the full year 2024. Today, we are reiterating our 2024 revenue guidance, which we expect to be in the range of 203 $1,000,000 to $213,000,000 representing 5% to 10% growth over our 2023 total revenue and this assumes no change in currency exchange rates. We started the year with the 1st quarter results showing a continuation of improvements in ordering trends, which support our full year outlook. Speaker 300:17:40As we look ahead, we continue to expect modest growth across all our product and service lines with most of that growth being weighted towards the second half of the year, consistent with historical spending patterns of our customer base. We expect that our 2024 revenue growth, combined with our ongoing cost control efforts, will position us to report positive GAAP net income for the full year 2024. With that, I will turn it back over to Weng Bin. Speaker 200:18:13Thanks, Bill. I want to express my gratitude to our exceptional Cytec team for their dedication to driving our mission forward. It is their unwavering belief in our mission coupled with the effective execution of our business strategy that positions Citec as a frontrunner in advancing the next generation of cell analysis. The increasing application of cell analysis in fields across healthcare, including immuno oncology, infectious diseases and immunology has led to rising need for advanced cell analysis solutions. We are uniquely positioned to serve these attractive end markets as an industry leader in next generation cell analysis solutions, underpinned by long term recurring growth drivers in services and the RAS regions. Speaker 200:19:12I'm excited for our roadmap ahead to address this demand as we build comprehensive and competitive solutions and empower scientists directly with the tools and support they need to advance their research. I want to thank everyone for joining today's call and we will now open it up for questions. Operator? Operator00:19:57Your first question comes from the line of Tijja Sivan from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:20:05Good evening and thanks for the time here. Wembinn, looks like a decent start to the year on both products and service revenue and placements as well. I wanted to ask you on your comments on China and Europe to start with. Could you just elaborate on what you're seeing there across your academic and pharma customer base, especially in China? And then in light of that recent stimulus program that's about to be rolled out over the next 3 years or so, is that starting to show up in your early customer conversations in the funnel just yet? Speaker 400:20:39And any anecdotal color you can share on potential benefit perhaps not in 2024 but into 2025 beyond would be great? Thank you. Speaker 200:20:52Actually in China, today, our current primary growth is from academic space, mostly universities and research institutions. Now regarding to your question on the in central program, it's coming, but we haven't seen the benefits yet. We expect probably will help for the second half of the year. Speaker 400:21:20Got it. That's helpful. And then I want to ask you on reagent rentals during the quarter. In terms of just the order book, what fraction of the orders this quarter were reagent rentals versus upfront Speaker 200:21:45And of And of course, going forward, as we continue with regarding to our clinical business, we might see the kind of more impactful revenue to Citec, mostly on the agent side. But it's just right now, it's still in the early stage. Speaker 400:22:08Perfect. And last one for me here on just the competitive dynamics here. Are you seeing any heavier sort of price discounting from your next gen flow peers, Sony, BD, etcetera, as the industry grapples with instrument purchasing headwinds and elongated sort of purchasing cycles as you called out at least in North America and APAC ex China? Speaker 200:22:35We do start to see new players in this space. This is a reflection of our success with regarding to driving the flow cytometry industry towards the full spectrum technology, which we pioneered 7 years ago. So previously, we probably more trying to convert conventional into special. And now the whole industry is truly convinced this is the direction, this is the future. Cytec is clearly a leader in this space, in this technology. Speaker 200:23:12This is also reflected in the just finished cycle meeting in Edinburgh. And it's very exciting and we are very encouraged with what we have seen over there. Speaker 400:23:25Got it. Super helpful. Thanks guys. Appreciate the time. Operator00:23:31And your next question comes from the line of Matthew Sykes from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:23:38Hello. Thank you for taking my question. This is Jake on for Matt. So you saw a sequential step down in organic revenue. Can we attribute that to seasonality in the quarter? Speaker 500:23:48And then can you also talk about how you're thinking about the pacing of growth throughout the rest of the year? Thank you. Speaker 200:23:57I think I'll let Bill to handle that question. Speaker 300:24:01Not sure I understood it, but our organic revenue actually increased substantially in this quarter compared to Q4 sequentially. It was increased from, I believe, around 1% to 11%. So we saw a meaningful improvement in organic revenue growth. As far as did I understand your question correctly? Speaker 200:24:31Yes. Yes, you did. Speaker 300:24:32Okay. So that's the answer there, meaningful uptick in organic revenue growth. And as far as revenue staging is concerned, look, I think we are still comfortable with the revenue guidance that we gave for the year. Obviously, that implies some quarterly revenue growth during the balance of the year, And we would expect that to follow a similar pattern to recent years. I think we're ready for the next question, operator. Operator00:25:23Yes. And your next question comes from the line of David Westenberg from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:25:31Hi. Thanks for taking the question. So just welcome, William, and I'll just go ahead and pick on you since this is your first earnings call. So the margins missed the Street by a little bit. This is probably a lot to do with services mix. Speaker 600:25:53And is some of this potentially also just the way customers are buying the instrument on more services contracts? And then with all that in mind, how should we think about gross margins the rest of the year just in terms of pacing? And could we be seeing, as we go into 2025, 2026, maybe this reset to this level of gross margins? Thank you. Speaker 300:26:20Thank you for the welcome and for the question. The decline in gross margin was due to a couple of very specific things. It did not there's no change in the way that customers are buying our product. It's not related to product mix or anything like that. It's 2 very specific factors. Speaker 300:26:44One of which was an unusual inventory adjustment. And as we mentioned in the press release or in the prepared remarks, this is something that was caused by the integration of Luminex inventories into the Citex system. That had to be done. The inventories post acquisition were a significant portion of them were held in a 3rd party warehouse and 3rd party ERP system. And when those were finally integrated into our system, that was a manual process. Speaker 300:27:26There were literally thousands of SKUs and there were just a few errors, like a small handful of errors made. So it's a unique set of circumstances that we wouldn't expect to recur in the ordinary course. So that accounted for about 2% of the margin decline. The balance related to overhead absorption, this is although overhead expenses were actually a little bit less than Q4, but broadly comparable, revenue was lower than Q4. So we had less overhead absorption and that had a negative impact on margin. Speaker 300:28:12And as we mentioned, we would expect that to revert over the course of the year as quarterly revenue increases. So the one timer on inventory, we would we do expect that, that was a one timer. And then the overhead impact, we would expect that, that would ameliorate over the course of the year. Speaker 600:28:37Got it. So the real way to think about the rest of the year is that 55% kind of number and maybe take it off from there or march from there? Speaker 300:28:48I don't want to be specific about margin guidance. It's not something that we've done. I would just say that we're certainly our goal is to get back to our historic gross margins. Speaker 600:29:04Perfect. All right. Well, thank you on that. Lots of great detail there. And so just, Wen Bin, I think you said, Asia and in Europe, you're seeing, some of the return of capital cycle purchases. Speaker 600:29:20I just want to make sure I heard that correctly. And I think you were saying maybe this could be an analog to the U. S. And what might be happening in the U. S. Speaker 600:29:29Or North America. I just want to confirm I heard that correctly and can you elaborate a little bit on what you're seeing there and why you're optimistic in terms of that? Speaker 200:29:42And we are seeing this and particularly in Europe and China, and we are seeing the purchasing coming back to we're returning to normal this way. And this actually started in Q4, which continued in Q1. That's very encouraging. And on the other hand, we do see continued elongated purchasing cycle in the U. S. Speaker 200:30:10As well as APAC, excluding China. But we are going those orders will return and it's not lost a bit of us and they will come back and they will close. We expect them to close. Speaker 600:30:29Got it. Just on my last one, just in terms of customers using larger or the full potential of full Spectraflow cytometry, full spectra flow cytometry. Are you seeing an increase of that usage? And when you are seeing an increase of that, are you seeing them order CITEX specific reagents? And just give me a little bit more color on how you're seeing adoption in terms of reagents there? Speaker 600:31:00And that will be my last one. Thank you. Speaker 200:31:03We are definitely seeing encouragement across the industry, especially with farmers, and they start to validate our instruments and harmonize our instruments across the organization. And they are continuing to come back to expand the number of instruments they have across their organization. Organization. So, we are talking about users, we are actually not a few in the whole organization, even 100 of those users are instrument today. So in some organization, very encouraging. Speaker 600:31:40Thank you. Operator00:31:44And your next question comes from the line of Andrew Cooper from Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:31:51Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. This is Noah on for Andrew. So my first question is, you talked about instrument sales coming in where you thought they'd come in. Were you seeing any particular strength across particular instruments? Speaker 700:32:06So would that be the sell sort in the higher end products? Or is that mostly from other places within the portfolio? Speaker 200:32:15Our strengths continue to be our flagship product, which is Aurora, and we see continue to grow. Of course, in the meantime, and we are going to focus more and more towards entry and the mid level and to drive adoption across our product portfolio. Speaker 700:32:37Awesome. Thank you so much. And one more question. You guys launched the Orion reagent mixer in 4Q of 2023. And I understand that the dollars are going to be minimal, but have you seen, any new doors open for the rest of the business because now you've had a full quarter selling and possibly seen any reagent pull through on that end? Speaker 200:33:00While a new instrument you've launched, the first thing is to demo to work with customers to validate the instrument before they are actually put into production on the customer side. And we have seen very encouraging trend right now and the interest from our customer base. Awesome. Thank you. Operator00:33:26And your next question comes from the line of Maison Carico from Stephens. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:33:35Hey, guys. Just two questions for me here. First, given the funding environment and budget constraints that you're seeing for customers that are interested in buying maybe one of your higher end instruments, Are the majority of these customers I don't want to say majority, but for the customers that are delaying their purchases, are they simply delaying making that purchase? Or is there a trend of them maybe moving down the price continuum and buying perhaps the mid tier instrument? Speaker 200:34:14I just mentioned, we continue to see greater interest on our flash product, which is Aurora and the Aurora CS. And so in that regard, we don't really see much change regarding to how budget will impact the buying behavior. But in long dated buying cycle is particularly related to the U. S. And APAC region, which has been definitely for quite a while. Speaker 200:34:44But they don't all come. It just takes a longer time for them to make decision. That's what we are seeing. Speaker 500:34:51Got it. Okay. And maybe kind of the opposite question here, but last quarter you talked about seeing early success in converting existing guava customers to your Northern Lights platform. Has that trend continued? And really, when it comes to your Northern Lights sales, what proportion of those sales are going to existing guava customers versus non guava customers? Speaker 200:35:23In the previous session, we did have mentioned that Guava customers do have their specialized needs, which today are not really being satisfied by the Northern Lights. This is because Guava, in particular, some of the platform is menu driven, while Northern Lights is more designed for individual users with flexibility. And this is something we are working on on the software side to enable us to facilitate those needs from the GuaBaa customers. We expect this eventually will be adjusted by them and more GuaBao users will convert. Speaker 500:36:07Got it. Thank you, guys. Operator00:36:12And your next question comes from the line of Jacqueline Kisse from TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:36:19Hi, this is Jacqueline Kisa on for Steven Ma. Congrats on the approvals and the facility opening. Looking forward on your clinical progress, are there any specific clinical milestones we can expect to see on the horizon now that you've gained approval for your TBNK panel and reagents? Speaker 200:36:37Yes, absolutely. We expect to see continued growth to drive our reagent business. And of course, in the meantime, we hope and that will also help us to grow our normalized CLC instrumentation. But earlier, there was a question regarding to valuation rental, which will also be helpful because approved CBMK will enable users to come back for our instrument as well to support that type of business model. Speaker 800:37:12Great. Thank you. And has the opening of the new facility driven any demand or customer conversations? And will the facility focus more on supporting clinical applications or more just provide support across the board? Speaker 200:37:26The facility is to support across the board for our product manufacturing, mostly instrument manufacturing. Speaker 800:37:35Great. Thank you. And if I could just sneak one more in. Late last year, you launched a software improvement on Northern Lights. Have you received any feedback from that from customers? Speaker 800:37:44And is there any room for similar product improvements on the rest of portfolio? Speaker 200:37:51No, actually, we do have heard encouraging comment from the customer with regarding to the new software, which enable those conventional instrumentations to leverage the special features in the meantime reduce the kind of barriers to move from one platform to the other. I think we feel it's a great success. Speaker 800:38:14Great. Thank you. Appreciate it. Operator00:38:44There are no further questions at this time. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you allRead morePowered by