Cipher Pharmaceuticals Q1 2024 Earnings Report GBX 25.40 -2.35 (-8.47%) As of 04/10/2025 11:58 AM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Watkin Jones EPS ResultsActual EPSGBX 0.27Consensus EPS GBX 0.14Beat/MissBeat by +GBX 0.13One Year Ago EPSN/AWatkin Jones Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$7.91 millionExpected Revenue$7.04 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$870.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AWatkin Jones Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/9/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateFriday, May 10, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsInnventure's Q4 2024 earnings is scheduled for Friday, April 11, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q4 2024 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptInterim ReportINV ProfilePowered by Innventure Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 10, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:01Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Cipher Pharmaceuticals Quarterly Conference Call for the Company's Q1 20 24 Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Following today's presentation, instructions will be given for the question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded today, Friday, May 10, 2024. Operator00:00:35On behalf of the speakers that follow, listeners are cautioned that today's presentation and the responses to questions may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions of the Canadian provincial securities laws. Forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties and undue reliance should not be placed on such statements. Certain material factors or assumptions are implied in making forward looking statements Speaker 100:01:02and actual Operator00:01:03results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in such statements. For additional information about factors that could cause results to vary, please refer to the risks identified in the company's annual information form and other filings with the Canadian regulatory authorities. Except as required by Canadian securities laws, the company does not undertake to update any forward looking statements. Such statements speak only as of the date made. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr. Operator00:01:35Craig Moll, Interim Chief Executive Officer of the company. Speaker 100:01:42Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Before I begin, I would like to remind everyone that all figures discussed on today's call are expressed in U. S. Dollars, unless otherwise specified. Cipher's Q1 2024 results have followed through very nicely from how the business performed in 2023. Speaker 100:02:05Profitability and predictable cash generation continue to drive results and we see this trend continuing throughout 2024. Cipher exited the Q1 with $42,000,000 in cash on the balance sheet, no debt and substantial liquidity to drive future growth of the business. Looking forward, Cipher is focused on 2 areas of growth, organic growth through our pipeline products and inorganic growth through acquisition. To start, I would like to touch on Moberg Pharma and its exciting nail fungus treatment, MOB-fifteen, a product that Cipher holds the exclusive Canadian rights to market and distribute. We are more and more excited about the product as we are 8 months away from results of the pivotal Phase 3 clinical trial being conducted in the U. Speaker 100:03:00S. But more importantly, this is a product that has already received regulatory approval in countries outside North America. 4 months ago on May 6, Moberg announced the product received national approvals across 13 European countries, which we believe has further paved the path forward and derisk the eventual Canadian approval by Health Canada. In Canada, current nail fungus therapies are inadequate as complete cure rates are well below 20%. Existing treatment protocols are long, inconvenient and most importantly ineffective. Speaker 100:03:43Where MOB-fifteen meets this unmet need is it has already shown a comparatively high mycological cure rate of 76%, which provides rapid and visible improvement of curing nail fungus. The Phase 3 trial underway has adjusted the dosing to a once per week treatment after 8 weeks of treatment, which is expected to increase the complete cure rates to the rate that is far greater than the market leading existing product. Most recent Canadian market share data indicates a total market of CAD91 1,000,000 whereby one product currently has over 95% of that market. On February 7, MOB-fifteen in Sweden under the brand name Terclera. And on April 23, Moberg Pharma provided an update provided a launch update to the market. Speaker 100:04:47To quote the release, Moberg stated, interest in the product exceeds the pharmacy chain's forecasts and chains are increasing their orders given Terclara has occasionally stocked out or sold out at several of the pharmacy chains. The news release went on to say, patients are also verifying the need the great need for new treatment options for nail fungus and we are receiving patient inquiries from many countries as Sweden is the 1st country where the drug is being launched. Hearing these results in countries where MOB-fifteen has recently been launched provides our business and management team comfort in what we have been saying from the beginning. We believe there is a large unmet need in nail fungus treatments and are confident that the launch of MOB-fifteen in Canada will allow Cipher to capture significant market share quickly when launched in 2026. Our second pipeline product, piclodenosine continues to make regulatory progress with our partner Canfeed Biopharma. Speaker 100:06:03Piclodenosine pivotal Phase 3 trial has been approved by both the U. S. FDA and the European Medicines Agency. Canfeet believes the trial will commence later in 2024. Upon positive conclusion of the trial, Canfeet will submit both a new drug application to the FDA and a marketing authorization plan to the EMA. Speaker 100:06:31Cipher has in license this product for the distribution in Canada and it represents a market opportunity to the company in excess of CAD40 1,000,000 per year. Moving on to our current M and A initiatives, we remain very positive about the progress that we've made thus far in 2024. We continue to advance work and discussions on a number of acquisition opportunities And we are becoming more optimistic that we will be able to share the details of 1 or a combination of these opportunities soon. However, I feel like this statement needs to be balanced with expectations as M and A tends to take more time than everyone would like and we continue to progress activities in this area. We have been in this position before. Speaker 100:07:24In the summer of 2023, we were close to executing a transaction. However, in late stages of that process, things took a turn and we decided to move in a different direction. This change of course led us to initiate a substantial issuer bid, which turned out to be a strong use of capital for the business and our shareholders, which brings me to an important point that I want to emphasize. When Cipher is evaluating a transaction or any other material corporate action, the impact of our shareholders will always be a critical consideration to our decision making. As we have previously stated, we are spending most of our time on Cipher's M and A strategy and remain confident in our ability to execute in this area. Speaker 100:08:18Thank you again for joining us here today and I look forward to answering questions your questions after our prepared remarks. I will now pass the call over to our CFO, Brian Jacobs. Please go ahead, Brian. Speaker 200:08:35Thank you, Craig, and good morning, everyone. As Craig mentioned at the beginning of today's call, all amounts are provided in U. S. Dollars unless otherwise noted. Today, Cipher Pharmaceuticals is reporting results from the company's Q1 of 2024 in the 3 month period ended March 31, 2024. Speaker 200:08:59Total net revenue was 5,900,000 4, an increase of $1,000,000 or 20 percent when compared to the same period in 2023. Licensing revenue was $2,600,000 for the Q1 of 2024 compared to $1,700,000 in the prior year quarter, representing a 55% increase. Licensing revenue from Absorica in the U. S. Was $1,900,000 for the Q1 of 2024, an increase of $900,000 or 90% when compared to the same period in 2023. Speaker 200:09:43This increase was driven by $1,100,000 in higher product shipments and slightly offset by a $200,000 lower net sales royalty. Market share from the Absorica portfolio, which includes the brand Absorica, the authorized generic or AG and Absorica LD in the U. S. Of approximately 6 point 5% for the 3 months ended March 31, 2024, which decreased by 0 point 3% compared to the same period last year according to market data. Licensing revenue from lipothan in the AG of lipothan was $700,000 for the Q1 of 2024, which was effectively flat year over year. Speaker 200:10:39Moving to our Canadian based product portfolio, total product revenue was $3,300,000 for the Q1 of 2024, an increase of $100,000 or 2% from the comparable period in 2023. Sales from Apuris in the Q1 of 2024 was $2,900,000 an increase of $200,000 or 7 percent from the prior year quarter. As we have continued to invest in the sales activities related to the Pieris, We're proud to see the 3rd consecutive growth in sales of our product. Total market share for Apirus was approximately 45% as at March 31, 2024, representing the leading prescribed isotretinoin product in the treatment of acne across Canada. Selling, general and administrative expenses were $1,500,000 for the Q1 of 2024, an increase of $300,000 or 21 percent from the compared period in the prior year. Speaker 200:11:56The increase is primarily attributable to higher salaries and benefit costs as well as higher other selling and general admin costs incurred in the Q1 of 2024. Net revenue for the 3 months ended March 31, 2024 was sorry, net income for the 1st 3 months ended March 31, 2024 was $4,900,000 or $0.20 per diluted common share compared to $2,600,000 or $0.10 per diluted common share for the same period in the prior year. The increase in net income of approximately 2,300,000 dollars was primarily attributable to $2,000,000 of income tax recovery in the Q1 of 2024, arising from a change in the company's deferred tax assets associated with unused loss carry forwards. Cipher's income before taxes, which excludes the earnings attributable to income tax recovery, was approximately $3,000,000 or $0.12 per diluted share for the 1st 3 months ended March 31, 2024. Adjusted EBITDA for the Q1 of March ended March 31, 2024 was $3,600,000 compared to $3,200,000 for the prior year quarter. Speaker 200:13:26This very strong increase of 13% was mainly driven by the previously mentioned increase in licensing revenue I described. The company had $42,000,000 in cash at the end of the quarter, no debt and continues to generate strong free cash flow from operations. Cipher continues to remain strongly capitalized with solid financial footing, which really sets us out among our peers. With a fortified balance sheet, available credit facilities, This places us in a very strong and enviable position to be opportunistic to drive our next legged growth. Now we'll open up the call to questions. Speaker 100:14:13Thank Speaker 300:14:30Your Operator00:14:30first question comes from the line of Andre Uddin from Research Capital. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:14:38Hi, Craig and Brian. Just wondering if you can elaborate a little bit more on your business development activity. What Brian was saying is that the company is also much stronger financially now than it was a year ago. Are you seeing more competition now in terms of trying to get assets? And are any of those assets actually getting any cheaper? Speaker 100:15:07This is, Andre, it's Craig here. This is kind of this doesn't have a lot of data behind it, but just our feel is that we feel that there's probably less competition and that pricing is getting more reasonable, I'll call it. Our deal flow is very strong, particularly in the Canadian market. But we're also seeing increasing opportunities coming out of the U. S. Speaker 400:15:38That's useful. And just looking at your Phase III results that are going to be or not your Phase III results, but I guess Phase III results are coming out in January. Assuming those are positive, when does Cipher expect to file an NDS, like if the data comes out in January, how long would it take roughly do you think? Speaker 200:16:02Good question, Andre. We get that frequently. It's Brian here. We're just trying to look at it pretty pragmatically. We've been getting organized, getting our Canadian dossier ready now. Speaker 200:16:15Part of the reason why is because that dossier is going to be based on the European approval, and Health Canada has a bit more of a stream process with the MEA rather than the FDA. So we're basing our submission off that. And as you know, the dossier or at least the formulation of the product isn't changing based on the Phase III trial. So it's easy for us to do that. So once we get the additional results in January, so Q1 of 2025, it'll take us another quarter to get the submission in. Speaker 200:16:52Health Canada's window then is about 1 year. So that would take us to the Q2 of 2026. So we are focused on a launch in the second half of twenty twenty six. Speaker 400:17:07That's great. And something you haven't talked about in a little while is Galafar. And I'm just wondering, are you still doing any research projects with them and are any of those projects advancing? Speaker 100:17:23We continue to work with Galliphar on a number of new products, including modifications perhaps to some of our existing products. They have been an excellent partner and an excellent development partner and really is the origins of Cipher with the 3 products that they developed that still exist for Cipher today. So we've got a good tight relationship with them and that we're always in communication about different opportunities that they're involved in. Speaker 400:17:57That's it for me. Thanks. Thanks. Operator00:18:04Your next question comes from the line of Doug Loe from Leb Jones Gabel. Your line is now open. Speaker 300:18:10Yes. Thanks, operator, and good morning, gentlemen. Sorry for beating the Moberg alliance to death here, but just following up on Andre's questions. Can you just walk me through the logic of not filing your NDS based on existing data that EMA regarded as being highly positive? It strikes me as though if you could get an NDS approval even without U. Speaker 300:18:34S. Phase 3 data, the timing of approval, even if you filed now would be after Phase 3 data would be available. Just walk me through the logic of not trying to get a head start on that process, you'd be prepared to launch pending We are getting Speaker 100:18:49Doug, we are it's Craig here. We are getting a head start on our submission. But what we're looking for is to be able to get the claim that we're looking for and that's that complete cure rate being superior to the existing product on the market. Speaker 300:19:06Yes, okay. Fair enough. I've brought up this question before. And then shifting to the collection of non Epuris acute care products that you market in Canada, you're generating sort of 500,000 ish in revenue in most recent quarters, just which is enough to mention, but not enough to get too excited about. But just wondering if there are any products in that portfolio that have any growth trajectory that might provide additional cash flow in future quarters. Speaker 300:19:38I'm thinking AGGRASTAT might be the most logical candidate, but your comments would be helpful there. And I'll leave it there. Thanks. Speaker 100:19:43Doug, you're referring to what we term our hospital products, I think, are you? Speaker 300:19:48Yes. Speaker 100:19:49Yes. I think that AGGRASTAT has got some potential mainly because the main product that was being used was discontinued and there's some outfit that is trying to make a generic product generic equivalent of that product. And we found that we picked up quite a few sales as a result of the discontinuance of the main product. I don't see a tremendous amount of growth. The burn a vis non approval was disappointing in the U. Speaker 100:20:22S. As you know, Doug, and that hasn't helped that particular product in Canada for sales. But scenario that we're going to continue in, there's good reason for that beyond just trying to increase the revenues. Speaker 300:20:39Perfect. And then just one housekeeping question. Brian, what's the total available tax loss carry forwards that you have from this point going forward? Speaker 200:20:50Yes. So we've been chipping away at them. I would say the total at this we're probably sitting at about 170, 175. Operator00:21:15Your next question comes from the line of Justin Keywood from Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:21:22Good morning. Thanks for taking my call. Just on the licensing revenue up pretty substantial year on year, was there anything unusual in that, either seasonality or other? Speaker 200:21:36So the licensing revenue, as you know, there's the 2 pieces and it kind of tried to break it down in my remarks. We kind of have the net sales royalty, but we also get a royalty on product shipments. So product shipments is what can be lumpy, where the net sales revenue is not. So we had a higher amount of year over year shipments that came into that that came into the Q1. So that to some extent causes licensing revenue to not be as predictable quarter to quarter, but it does have this benefit. Speaker 200:22:20So we saw that benefit came through in a quarter like Q3 of last year as well as we're seeing a benefit here in this Q1. So that's kind of what happened in the quarter. Speaker 500:22:33Is there a good level to assume for the rest of the year? Speaker 200:22:39When I get asked that question, I always say, just look at the trend, look at the run rate. And you can where you have an aspect that's a little bit lumpy, you can kind of average that. That's kind of the way to look at it. We break it down in our financials. So we have the split between the 2. Speaker 500:23:01Is there confidence that the product revenue could still grow for the remainder of the year? Speaker 100:23:08Yes. We are seeing a trend there as well. And we think that we'll get further growth as we go. Speaker 500:23:16Is it worth investing more? Speaker 100:23:21That is a question that's right in front of us right now and it's being analyzed. We're getting good traction with our salespeople and we think that perhaps and good penetration, particularly the Accutane market share. So we're looking at that and I'm reviewing some proposals from our commercial people. Speaker 500:23:46So just coming back to capital allocation, you mentioned share buybacks pursuit of M and A and then perhaps investing just internally in more sales. How do you balance those three areas? Speaker 100:24:05Well, I think that we are the organic growth that I mentioned is our pipeline products and those are progressing and we don't have a great deal of involvement other than preparing ourselves for the submission and the launch. From a M and A standpoint, I'd say that that's probably the area that we expect will be most significant in our growth. Lastly, the investment in additional commercial, that will be self funding in my opinion. That will not require an investment or we won't do it because I expect that the earnings generated from the new sales people or additional sales efforts will be paid for by paid back immediately with market share. Speaker 500:24:59Okay. And then just one final one, just on M and A. On the last call, there was confidence expressed in executing on 1 or more deals in 2024. Does that view still remain the same? Speaker 100:25:13Yes, I'm feeling quite confident and quite optimistic. But again, the footnote is Cipher has made some bad decisions in the past and we're going to make damn sure that that's not going to happen again. Speaker 500:25:29Understood. Thank you for taking my questions. Operator00:25:36There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Mr. Moll for closing comments. Speaker 100:25:43Just want to thank everybody for joining us today and your interest in the company. And we expect to give you further reports on our progress in the coming months. Thank you for your time. Operator00:25:57Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:01Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Cipher Pharmaceuticals Quarterly Conference Call for the Company's Q1 20 24 Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Following today's presentation, instructions will be given for the question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded today, Friday, May 10, 2024. Operator00:00:35On behalf of the speakers that follow, listeners are cautioned that today's presentation and the responses to questions may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions of the Canadian provincial securities laws. Forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties and undue reliance should not be placed on such statements. Certain material factors or assumptions are implied in making forward looking statements Speaker 100:01:02and actual Operator00:01:03results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in such statements. For additional information about factors that could cause results to vary, please refer to the risks identified in the company's annual information form and other filings with the Canadian regulatory authorities. Except as required by Canadian securities laws, the company does not undertake to update any forward looking statements. Such statements speak only as of the date made. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr. Operator00:01:35Craig Moll, Interim Chief Executive Officer of the company. Speaker 100:01:42Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Before I begin, I would like to remind everyone that all figures discussed on today's call are expressed in U. S. Dollars, unless otherwise specified. Cipher's Q1 2024 results have followed through very nicely from how the business performed in 2023. Speaker 100:02:05Profitability and predictable cash generation continue to drive results and we see this trend continuing throughout 2024. Cipher exited the Q1 with $42,000,000 in cash on the balance sheet, no debt and substantial liquidity to drive future growth of the business. Looking forward, Cipher is focused on 2 areas of growth, organic growth through our pipeline products and inorganic growth through acquisition. To start, I would like to touch on Moberg Pharma and its exciting nail fungus treatment, MOB-fifteen, a product that Cipher holds the exclusive Canadian rights to market and distribute. We are more and more excited about the product as we are 8 months away from results of the pivotal Phase 3 clinical trial being conducted in the U. Speaker 100:03:00S. But more importantly, this is a product that has already received regulatory approval in countries outside North America. 4 months ago on May 6, Moberg announced the product received national approvals across 13 European countries, which we believe has further paved the path forward and derisk the eventual Canadian approval by Health Canada. In Canada, current nail fungus therapies are inadequate as complete cure rates are well below 20%. Existing treatment protocols are long, inconvenient and most importantly ineffective. Speaker 100:03:43Where MOB-fifteen meets this unmet need is it has already shown a comparatively high mycological cure rate of 76%, which provides rapid and visible improvement of curing nail fungus. The Phase 3 trial underway has adjusted the dosing to a once per week treatment after 8 weeks of treatment, which is expected to increase the complete cure rates to the rate that is far greater than the market leading existing product. Most recent Canadian market share data indicates a total market of CAD91 1,000,000 whereby one product currently has over 95% of that market. On February 7, MOB-fifteen in Sweden under the brand name Terclera. And on April 23, Moberg Pharma provided an update provided a launch update to the market. Speaker 100:04:47To quote the release, Moberg stated, interest in the product exceeds the pharmacy chain's forecasts and chains are increasing their orders given Terclara has occasionally stocked out or sold out at several of the pharmacy chains. The news release went on to say, patients are also verifying the need the great need for new treatment options for nail fungus and we are receiving patient inquiries from many countries as Sweden is the 1st country where the drug is being launched. Hearing these results in countries where MOB-fifteen has recently been launched provides our business and management team comfort in what we have been saying from the beginning. We believe there is a large unmet need in nail fungus treatments and are confident that the launch of MOB-fifteen in Canada will allow Cipher to capture significant market share quickly when launched in 2026. Our second pipeline product, piclodenosine continues to make regulatory progress with our partner Canfeed Biopharma. Speaker 100:06:03Piclodenosine pivotal Phase 3 trial has been approved by both the U. S. FDA and the European Medicines Agency. Canfeet believes the trial will commence later in 2024. Upon positive conclusion of the trial, Canfeet will submit both a new drug application to the FDA and a marketing authorization plan to the EMA. Speaker 100:06:31Cipher has in license this product for the distribution in Canada and it represents a market opportunity to the company in excess of CAD40 1,000,000 per year. Moving on to our current M and A initiatives, we remain very positive about the progress that we've made thus far in 2024. We continue to advance work and discussions on a number of acquisition opportunities And we are becoming more optimistic that we will be able to share the details of 1 or a combination of these opportunities soon. However, I feel like this statement needs to be balanced with expectations as M and A tends to take more time than everyone would like and we continue to progress activities in this area. We have been in this position before. Speaker 100:07:24In the summer of 2023, we were close to executing a transaction. However, in late stages of that process, things took a turn and we decided to move in a different direction. This change of course led us to initiate a substantial issuer bid, which turned out to be a strong use of capital for the business and our shareholders, which brings me to an important point that I want to emphasize. When Cipher is evaluating a transaction or any other material corporate action, the impact of our shareholders will always be a critical consideration to our decision making. As we have previously stated, we are spending most of our time on Cipher's M and A strategy and remain confident in our ability to execute in this area. Speaker 100:08:18Thank you again for joining us here today and I look forward to answering questions your questions after our prepared remarks. I will now pass the call over to our CFO, Brian Jacobs. Please go ahead, Brian. Speaker 200:08:35Thank you, Craig, and good morning, everyone. As Craig mentioned at the beginning of today's call, all amounts are provided in U. S. Dollars unless otherwise noted. Today, Cipher Pharmaceuticals is reporting results from the company's Q1 of 2024 in the 3 month period ended March 31, 2024. Speaker 200:08:59Total net revenue was 5,900,000 4, an increase of $1,000,000 or 20 percent when compared to the same period in 2023. Licensing revenue was $2,600,000 for the Q1 of 2024 compared to $1,700,000 in the prior year quarter, representing a 55% increase. Licensing revenue from Absorica in the U. S. Was $1,900,000 for the Q1 of 2024, an increase of $900,000 or 90% when compared to the same period in 2023. Speaker 200:09:43This increase was driven by $1,100,000 in higher product shipments and slightly offset by a $200,000 lower net sales royalty. Market share from the Absorica portfolio, which includes the brand Absorica, the authorized generic or AG and Absorica LD in the U. S. Of approximately 6 point 5% for the 3 months ended March 31, 2024, which decreased by 0 point 3% compared to the same period last year according to market data. Licensing revenue from lipothan in the AG of lipothan was $700,000 for the Q1 of 2024, which was effectively flat year over year. Speaker 200:10:39Moving to our Canadian based product portfolio, total product revenue was $3,300,000 for the Q1 of 2024, an increase of $100,000 or 2% from the comparable period in 2023. Sales from Apuris in the Q1 of 2024 was $2,900,000 an increase of $200,000 or 7 percent from the prior year quarter. As we have continued to invest in the sales activities related to the Pieris, We're proud to see the 3rd consecutive growth in sales of our product. Total market share for Apirus was approximately 45% as at March 31, 2024, representing the leading prescribed isotretinoin product in the treatment of acne across Canada. Selling, general and administrative expenses were $1,500,000 for the Q1 of 2024, an increase of $300,000 or 21 percent from the compared period in the prior year. Speaker 200:11:56The increase is primarily attributable to higher salaries and benefit costs as well as higher other selling and general admin costs incurred in the Q1 of 2024. Net revenue for the 3 months ended March 31, 2024 was sorry, net income for the 1st 3 months ended March 31, 2024 was $4,900,000 or $0.20 per diluted common share compared to $2,600,000 or $0.10 per diluted common share for the same period in the prior year. The increase in net income of approximately 2,300,000 dollars was primarily attributable to $2,000,000 of income tax recovery in the Q1 of 2024, arising from a change in the company's deferred tax assets associated with unused loss carry forwards. Cipher's income before taxes, which excludes the earnings attributable to income tax recovery, was approximately $3,000,000 or $0.12 per diluted share for the 1st 3 months ended March 31, 2024. Adjusted EBITDA for the Q1 of March ended March 31, 2024 was $3,600,000 compared to $3,200,000 for the prior year quarter. Speaker 200:13:26This very strong increase of 13% was mainly driven by the previously mentioned increase in licensing revenue I described. The company had $42,000,000 in cash at the end of the quarter, no debt and continues to generate strong free cash flow from operations. Cipher continues to remain strongly capitalized with solid financial footing, which really sets us out among our peers. With a fortified balance sheet, available credit facilities, This places us in a very strong and enviable position to be opportunistic to drive our next legged growth. Now we'll open up the call to questions. Speaker 100:14:13Thank Speaker 300:14:30Your Operator00:14:30first question comes from the line of Andre Uddin from Research Capital. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:14:38Hi, Craig and Brian. Just wondering if you can elaborate a little bit more on your business development activity. What Brian was saying is that the company is also much stronger financially now than it was a year ago. Are you seeing more competition now in terms of trying to get assets? And are any of those assets actually getting any cheaper? Speaker 100:15:07This is, Andre, it's Craig here. This is kind of this doesn't have a lot of data behind it, but just our feel is that we feel that there's probably less competition and that pricing is getting more reasonable, I'll call it. Our deal flow is very strong, particularly in the Canadian market. But we're also seeing increasing opportunities coming out of the U. S. Speaker 400:15:38That's useful. And just looking at your Phase III results that are going to be or not your Phase III results, but I guess Phase III results are coming out in January. Assuming those are positive, when does Cipher expect to file an NDS, like if the data comes out in January, how long would it take roughly do you think? Speaker 200:16:02Good question, Andre. We get that frequently. It's Brian here. We're just trying to look at it pretty pragmatically. We've been getting organized, getting our Canadian dossier ready now. Speaker 200:16:15Part of the reason why is because that dossier is going to be based on the European approval, and Health Canada has a bit more of a stream process with the MEA rather than the FDA. So we're basing our submission off that. And as you know, the dossier or at least the formulation of the product isn't changing based on the Phase III trial. So it's easy for us to do that. So once we get the additional results in January, so Q1 of 2025, it'll take us another quarter to get the submission in. Speaker 200:16:52Health Canada's window then is about 1 year. So that would take us to the Q2 of 2026. So we are focused on a launch in the second half of twenty twenty six. Speaker 400:17:07That's great. And something you haven't talked about in a little while is Galafar. And I'm just wondering, are you still doing any research projects with them and are any of those projects advancing? Speaker 100:17:23We continue to work with Galliphar on a number of new products, including modifications perhaps to some of our existing products. They have been an excellent partner and an excellent development partner and really is the origins of Cipher with the 3 products that they developed that still exist for Cipher today. So we've got a good tight relationship with them and that we're always in communication about different opportunities that they're involved in. Speaker 400:17:57That's it for me. Thanks. Thanks. Operator00:18:04Your next question comes from the line of Doug Loe from Leb Jones Gabel. Your line is now open. Speaker 300:18:10Yes. Thanks, operator, and good morning, gentlemen. Sorry for beating the Moberg alliance to death here, but just following up on Andre's questions. Can you just walk me through the logic of not filing your NDS based on existing data that EMA regarded as being highly positive? It strikes me as though if you could get an NDS approval even without U. Speaker 300:18:34S. Phase 3 data, the timing of approval, even if you filed now would be after Phase 3 data would be available. Just walk me through the logic of not trying to get a head start on that process, you'd be prepared to launch pending We are getting Speaker 100:18:49Doug, we are it's Craig here. We are getting a head start on our submission. But what we're looking for is to be able to get the claim that we're looking for and that's that complete cure rate being superior to the existing product on the market. Speaker 300:19:06Yes, okay. Fair enough. I've brought up this question before. And then shifting to the collection of non Epuris acute care products that you market in Canada, you're generating sort of 500,000 ish in revenue in most recent quarters, just which is enough to mention, but not enough to get too excited about. But just wondering if there are any products in that portfolio that have any growth trajectory that might provide additional cash flow in future quarters. Speaker 300:19:38I'm thinking AGGRASTAT might be the most logical candidate, but your comments would be helpful there. And I'll leave it there. Thanks. Speaker 100:19:43Doug, you're referring to what we term our hospital products, I think, are you? Speaker 300:19:48Yes. Speaker 100:19:49Yes. I think that AGGRASTAT has got some potential mainly because the main product that was being used was discontinued and there's some outfit that is trying to make a generic product generic equivalent of that product. And we found that we picked up quite a few sales as a result of the discontinuance of the main product. I don't see a tremendous amount of growth. The burn a vis non approval was disappointing in the U. Speaker 100:20:22S. As you know, Doug, and that hasn't helped that particular product in Canada for sales. But scenario that we're going to continue in, there's good reason for that beyond just trying to increase the revenues. Speaker 300:20:39Perfect. And then just one housekeeping question. Brian, what's the total available tax loss carry forwards that you have from this point going forward? Speaker 200:20:50Yes. So we've been chipping away at them. I would say the total at this we're probably sitting at about 170, 175. Operator00:21:15Your next question comes from the line of Justin Keywood from Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:21:22Good morning. Thanks for taking my call. Just on the licensing revenue up pretty substantial year on year, was there anything unusual in that, either seasonality or other? Speaker 200:21:36So the licensing revenue, as you know, there's the 2 pieces and it kind of tried to break it down in my remarks. We kind of have the net sales royalty, but we also get a royalty on product shipments. So product shipments is what can be lumpy, where the net sales revenue is not. So we had a higher amount of year over year shipments that came into that that came into the Q1. So that to some extent causes licensing revenue to not be as predictable quarter to quarter, but it does have this benefit. Speaker 200:22:20So we saw that benefit came through in a quarter like Q3 of last year as well as we're seeing a benefit here in this Q1. So that's kind of what happened in the quarter. Speaker 500:22:33Is there a good level to assume for the rest of the year? Speaker 200:22:39When I get asked that question, I always say, just look at the trend, look at the run rate. And you can where you have an aspect that's a little bit lumpy, you can kind of average that. That's kind of the way to look at it. We break it down in our financials. So we have the split between the 2. Speaker 500:23:01Is there confidence that the product revenue could still grow for the remainder of the year? Speaker 100:23:08Yes. We are seeing a trend there as well. And we think that we'll get further growth as we go. Speaker 500:23:16Is it worth investing more? Speaker 100:23:21That is a question that's right in front of us right now and it's being analyzed. We're getting good traction with our salespeople and we think that perhaps and good penetration, particularly the Accutane market share. So we're looking at that and I'm reviewing some proposals from our commercial people. Speaker 500:23:46So just coming back to capital allocation, you mentioned share buybacks pursuit of M and A and then perhaps investing just internally in more sales. How do you balance those three areas? Speaker 100:24:05Well, I think that we are the organic growth that I mentioned is our pipeline products and those are progressing and we don't have a great deal of involvement other than preparing ourselves for the submission and the launch. From a M and A standpoint, I'd say that that's probably the area that we expect will be most significant in our growth. Lastly, the investment in additional commercial, that will be self funding in my opinion. That will not require an investment or we won't do it because I expect that the earnings generated from the new sales people or additional sales efforts will be paid for by paid back immediately with market share. Speaker 500:24:59Okay. And then just one final one, just on M and A. On the last call, there was confidence expressed in executing on 1 or more deals in 2024. Does that view still remain the same? Speaker 100:25:13Yes, I'm feeling quite confident and quite optimistic. But again, the footnote is Cipher has made some bad decisions in the past and we're going to make damn sure that that's not going to happen again. Speaker 500:25:29Understood. Thank you for taking my questions. Operator00:25:36There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Mr. Moll for closing comments. Speaker 100:25:43Just want to thank everybody for joining us today and your interest in the company. And we expect to give you further reports on our progress in the coming months. Thank you for your time. Operator00:25:57Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by