Hilton Grand Vacations Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 9, 2024

There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Hilton Grand Vacations First Quarter 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. A telephone replay will be available for 7 days following the call. The dial in number is 844-512-2921 and enter pin 137 43,185. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen only mode and the floor will be open for your questions following the presentation. I would now like to turn the call over to Mark Melnyk, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and welcome to the Hilton Grand Vacations Q1 2024 Earnings Call. As a reminder, our discussions this morning will include forward looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from those indicated by these forward looking statements and these statements are effective only as of today. We undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise these statements. For a discussion of some of our factors that could cause actual results to differ, please see the Risk Factors section of our SEC filings.

Speaker 1

We'll also be referring to certain non GAAP financial measures. You can find definitions and components of such non GAAP numbers as well as reconciliations of non GAAP and GAAP financial measures discussed today in our earnings press release and on our website at investors. Hgv.com. Our reported results for all periods reflect accounting rules under ASC 606, which we adopted in 2018. Under ASC 606, we're required to defer certain revenues and expenses related to sales made in the period when a project is under construction and then hold off on recognizing those revenues and expenses until the period when construction is completed.

Speaker 1

For ease of comparability and to simplify our discussion today, our comments on adjusted EBITDA and our real estate results will refer to results excluding the net impact of construction related deferrals and recognitions for all reporting periods. To help you make more meaningful period to period comparisons, you can find details of our current and historical deferrals and recognitions in table T1 of our earnings release and the complete accounting of our historical deferral and recognition activity can also be found in Excel format on the Financial Reporting section of our Investor Relations website. In a moment, our Chief Executive Officer, Mark Wang will provide highlights from the quarter in addition to an update of our current operations and company strategy. After Mark's comments, our President and Chief Financial Officer, Dan Matthews will go through the financial details for the quarter. Mark and Dan will then make themselves available for your questions.

Speaker 1

With that, let me turn the call over to our CEO, Mark Wang. Mark? Good

Speaker 2

morning, everyone, and welcome to our Q1 earnings call. Reported contract sales in the quarter were $631,000,000 and EBITDA was $270,000,000 with margins at 24%, which includes just over 2 months results from our recently closed Bluegreen acquisition. I'm happy with results overall and I'm even more encouraged when looking at the momentum that we built over the course of the quarter. Recall that in the 4th quarter, we adjusted some marketing channels that are legacy business to optimize our tour flow, which we expected would create some follow on effects in the first half of twenty twenty four. We came into the year with a goal to dial up some of our marketing activities in a thoughtful way and accelerate package activations of our tour pipeline.

Speaker 2

And these efforts began to yield results as we move through the quarter. While we started with a modest year over year decline in tours in January, we saw an acceleration each month of the quarter, exiting with a low single digit positive tour growth in March, which put us solidly on track relative to our expectations for the full year. We also added more packages this quarter than any other quarter since mid-twenty 2 and our mix of activated packages is back to record levels we saw in the first half of twenty twenty three. These trends speak to a consumer that remains committed to travel despite some of the macroeconomic pressures that have built up, particularly in regards to inflation. While those pressures are still leading to some hesitancy at the sales tables, our sales teams have made adjustments to help highlight the value proposition of ownership, which should result in improved close rates as we move through the year.

Speaker 2

It's also important to note the continued resilience of our owner business, which saw an acceleration in tour growth compared to the 4th quarter along with improved close rates. The repeat nature of our dedicated owner base is a key feature of our business that drives stability and embedded value creation in our model over time. Our owners love the level of HGV service and the benefits offered by our MAX membership. They want to use the product more and ultimately that drives additional upgrade business. Nearly a third of our members are HTV MAX only 2 years after our launch, indicating how successful the program has been at attracting existing members as well as new buyers.

Speaker 2

And as we welcome our new Bluegreen owners into the HGV system over time, we're confident that the HGV MAX benefits and service levels will resonate with them all very well. Speaking of Bluegreen, since closing our acquisition in January, we've been hard at work on our rebranding plans and integration. A lot of great work has been done by our teams and I'm very pleased with how they're executing and coming together over the last few months. There's still a lot of work left ahead of us, but the foundation of our business is better than ever. I'm also excited about our recently announced partnership with Great Wolf Lodge, which will create a new source of lead flow that we think will be a great fit with the HGV family of brands.

Speaker 2

So we have a number of positives coming out of the quarter that leaves us optimistic. While we're still a few quarters out from reaping the benefits of dialing up our activations over the last few months, I'm happy with the trends we're currently seeing out of the business and our team's execution and we remain confident in our guidance for the year. Turning to our integration efforts, let's start with a quick update on Diamond. Through the end of the Q1, we rebranded 36 properties representing over 9,600 or 2 thirds of the total keys. We expect that we'll rebrand 12 properties this year for an additional 2,500 keys bringing us to over 70% of the total by year end.

Speaker 2

The remainder of the properties will be completed between 2025 2026. We're happy with the results of the rebrand thus far, but more importantly, our guests are happy. We continue to receive positive feedback and our occupancy levels and package sales trends remain strong at those rebranded resorts. We're also making steady progress integrating our technology with several key module launchings this year that will move us toward a unified system for our Deed and Trust products, which will also leverage as we move through the Bluegreen integration process. These enhancements will not only enable our sales teams to transition more seamlessly between product offerings, improving efficiency and the likelihood of conversion, but they'll also enable us to seamlessly grow in the future.

Speaker 2

And importantly, they'll also create a smoother customer experience, helping owners engagement and retention. Moving to Bluegreen, as I mentioned, we've been working diligently to integrate our teams over the past several months. Throughout the process, I've been thoroughly impressed with the Bluegreen team at all levels of their organization. At the same time, we've been fully engaged in giant growth with our new partners, Bass Pro, Choice and NASCAR and have also continued working towards finalizing our rebranding plans ahead of a kickoff later this year. I also want to spend a minute talking about our new relationship that we announced a few weeks ago with Great Wolf Lodge.

Speaker 2

Partnerships are critical component of our strategy to engage new customers and deepen the relationship with existing members through experiential offerings. And this partnership with Great Wolf furthers that proposition, serving over 10,000,000 guests annually with a focus on families with young children, which is a priority growth segment for us. Together, we're able to engage a broader spectrum of vacations and age ranges as well as provide HGV families with increased flexibility in their vacation options. In the coming months, HGV members will begin to vacation at Great Wolf Lodge Resorts using their Club Point, while also benefiting from exclusive discounts during their stay. In addition, Great Wolf Lodge guests will have the opportunity to receive curated offers to explore HGV's network of properties.

Speaker 2

HGV will have a presence in 18 Great Wolf Resorts with more locations to be added as Great Wolf continues their expansion. The partnership also includes call transfer and digital marketing programs, enabling us to generate new lead flow across multiple channels. Above all, these partnerships are about bringing people together to create memorable experiences and I'm thrilled to be collaborating with CEO, John Murphy and the entire Great Wolf team who share a similar passion for hospitality and for delivering high quality vacations that bring families together. Now let's take a look at our operational performance, assuming that we own Bluegreen for the entire quarter to make things simpler. Combined contract sales using that full quarter basis were $656,000,000 with steady tour growth and a decline in VPG.

Speaker 2

Both HGV and Bluegreen demonstrated very similar growth trends for tours and VPG and were largely in line with our expectations. As I mentioned earlier, I was very pleased with the trajectory of our tour flow as the quarter progressed along with the resilience of our owners. And as we move into the back half of the year, we expect to see our pipeline continued to drive improved tour trends as well. Combined VPG for the full quarter was $3,575 down about 5% driven by lower close rates. However, close rates in our legacy business improved from the 4th quarter, leaving us optimistic that our efforts and initiatives are producing results and leave us on track for the year.

Speaker 2

Looking at our 4 demand indicators, occupancy in the quarter was flat at 79%, although last year's numbers included the full complement of Maui rooms. As I mentioned, we made great progress with our package activations this quarter and our arrivals on the books for the rest of the year are ahead of 23 with strength in our marketing and rental arrivals owing to our success in driving increased package activations. Moving to our non real estate segments, we continue to see great trends in our transient rental business led by higher available room nights and higher ADRs. Our rental nights on the books remain very strong through the rest of the year in some regions where we had seen softer trends such as Orlando and Hawaii also showed signs of improvement this quarter, which also bodes well for future performance. In our recurring club and resort business, NOG at our legacy business was 2% and the addition of Bluegreen enabled us to reach a member count of 718,000, which led to another strong quarter of EBITDA generation.

Speaker 2

And our financing business had a solid quarter of growth with improved margins owing to the addition of the Bluegreen portfolio and good receivable generation. We also maintained our commitment to capital returns this quarter, repurchasing 2,300,000 shares for $99,000,000 So all in all, I'm very pleased with this quarter. We performed in line with our expectations and our trends through the quarter leave us optimistic that we're on track to achieve our guidance for the year. More importantly, I think we're really set up well for the long term. I believe that we're building the most talented team that we've ever had in my 25 years at HGV and I'm excited to share our Bluegreen integration plans with you as we get them finalized.

Speaker 2

Before I turn it over to Dan, I'd like to congratulate him on being named President along with continuing his duties as CFO. He's done a great job over these last 5 years helping to navigate our business through markets that were turbulent at times, all while maintaining a commitment to shareholder value creation and risk management. And I know that he'll continue to maximize the value of our business and financial model in the years ahead. So with that, I'll turn it over to Dan to talk you through the numbers. Dan?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Mark, and good morning, everyone. Before we start, note that our reported results for this quarter included $2,000,000 of sales recognitions, which increased reported GAAP revenue and were related to opening the most recent phase of our Sysopco project. We also recorded $1,000,000 of associated direct expense recognitions. Adjusting for these two items would decrease the EBITDA reported in our press release by $3,000,000 to $270,000,000 In my prepared remarks, I'll only refer to metrics excluding net deferrals, which more accurately reflects the cash flow dynamics of our financial performance during the period. I'd also note that our results today also include the financial results of Bluegreen, which we acquired on January 17.

Speaker 3

Turning to our results for the quarter. Total revenue excluding cost reimbursements in the Q1 was $1,030,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA was $270,000,000 with margins up 26 percent also excluding cost reimbursement. EBITDA included $11,000,000 of Bluegreen cost synergies recognized during the quarter or a run rate of $53,000,000 annualized putting us nicely on the path of achieving a targeted $100,000,000 of cost synergies within 24 months. Turning to our segments, within real estate reported contract sales were $631,000,000 for the quarter including a partial quarter of Bluegreen ownership. Assuming that we own Bluegreen for the entire quarter, contract sales would have been $656,000,000 versus pro form a combined sales in the prior year of $692,000,000 Bluegreen produced $161,000,000 of that $656,000,000 in sales on the full quarter basis.

Speaker 3

New buyers comprised 27 percent of legacy contract sales in the quarter, improving nearly 200 basis points from the 4th quarter level. Reported tours for the Q1 were just over 174,000. Assuming a full quarter of Bluegreen ownership, tours of 182,000 were roughly flat in the quarter on a pro form a basis with owner tours again growing in a solid mid single digit rate offset by a decline in new buyer tours. As Mark mentioned, the decision to pull back on some channels in the 4th quarter also had an effect on our tour pace in this quarter. But having reaccelerated our packages and our tour efforts in Q1, we do expect to see a benefit from those efforts later this year as they cycle through our marketing pipeline.

Speaker 3

Bluegreen's tours for the full Q1 of just under 52,000 displayed similar trends to our legacy business during the quarter with flattish growth in tours driven by low single digit owner tour growth offset by similar level of decline in new hire tours. Reported VPG for the quarter was $3,600 assuming a full quarter of Bluegreen ownership VPGs were $3,575 For our legacy business, VPG was about 6% ahead of 2019 levels, roughly in line with the trend that we saw in the 4th quarter. As Mark mentioned, our expectation is that we move through this year, we'll see an improvement in our VPG that will help to support low single digit growth in VPG for the full year. Reported cost of product was 11% of net VOI sales for the quarter and our provision for bad debt as a percentage of owned contract sales was 12% in the quarter. Real estate sales and marketing expense was $320,000,000 for this quarter or 51% of contract sales.

Speaker 3

Sales and marketing dollars and percentage were elevated in the quarter owing to seasonality along with the addition of Bluegreen, but we expect to see operating leverage on this expense as we begin to recognize additional cost synergies through this year. Real estate profit for the quarter was $131,000,000 with margins of 26%. In our financing business, 1st quarter revenue was $104,000,000 and segment profit was $65,000,000 with margins of 63%. Interest income and segment profit for the quarter were impacted by $10,000,000 contra revenue for the amortization of a non cash premium associated with the portfolio of receivables that we acquired from Bluegreen in the acquisition in addition to the premium still being amortized for the Diamond transaction. Excluding this non cash amortization, interest income was $112,000,000 and margins were 69%.

Speaker 3

The bond first receivables for the quarter were $3,800,000,000 or $2,900,000,000 net of allowance. Our originated portfolio with an average interest rate was 15.1%. For context, our Diamond acquired portfolio had a weighted average interest rate of 15.7%, while our acquired Bluegreen portfolio had an average interest rate of 15.2%. Our total allowance for bad debt was $900,000,000 on that 3.8 $1,000,000,000 receivables balance or 23.6 percent of the portfolio. We continue to evaluate the Bluegreen allowance through our purchase accounting process and any additional changes to the allowance we expect to flow through the balance sheet as an opening balance sheet item.

Speaker 3

Our annualized default rate for our consolidated portfolios inclusive of Bluegreen stood at 9.7% for the quarter. As previously discussed, we continue to see normalizing credit trends with determination of certain government stimulus plans, but we believe our current loan loss provision is adequate. Going forward, we expect our provision to migrate towards a mid teens percentage of contract sales on a normalized basis. I also want to highlight our strong capital markets execution with our recent $240,000,000 ABS deal of Bluegreen Legacy Collateral. The deal highlights the strength of our brand and market position as we nearly quadrupled Bluegreen Vacation's historical investor base on HGV's first securitization of Bluegreen Vacation collateral.

Speaker 3

The total coupon was 6.42%. In our resort and club business, our consolidated member count was 718,000 and our legacy NOG was 2% at the end of the Q1. Revenue was $166,000,000 for the quarter and segment profit was $112,000,000 with margins of 68%. Rental and ancillary revenues were $181,000,000 in the quarter with segment profit of $8,000,000 and margins of 4% slightly ahead of last year. Revenue growth was driven by higher available room nights and RevPAR growth underpinned by continued travel demand.

Speaker 3

As Mark mentioned, we continue to see strong arrivals through the rest of the year, which should support the continuation of trends. Expenses on our legacy business continue to be elevated due to the inclusion of developer maintenance fees on unsold inventory, along with the inclusion of Bluegreen's much lower margin rental business. As you can see from the financial information we uploaded to the IR website last quarter, Bluegreen's rental business ran at a loss, but we believe this provides us an opportunity for improvement over time as we integrate them into the Hilton system. Bridging the gap between segment adjusted EBITDA and total adjusted EBITDA, corporate G and A was $35,000,000 license fees were $35,000,000 EBITDA from unconsolidated affiliates was $5,000,000 and EBITDA attributable to non controlling interest was $3,000,000 Our adjusted free cash flow in the quarter was a use of $374,000,000 which included inventory spending of 105,000,000 dollars I'd note that the cash flow usage this quarter was entirely the result of timing as we paid down the balances on our warehouse facility ahead of our most recent securitization as well as to capture capital market synergies by closing multiple ADS facilities associated with the acquisition.

Speaker 3

With the successful completion of that offering a few weeks ago and another one planned during the summer, we expect to see a cash flow benefit in the quarters ahead and we're still expecting an EBITDA 52%. During the quarter, the company repurchased 2,300,000 shares of common stock for $99,000,000 And through April 30, we repurchased an additional 1,000,000 shares for $47,000,000 leaving us with $213,000,000 of remaining availability under the 2023 repurchase plan. We expect to continue our current trend of approximately $100,000,000 in share repurchases per quarter. Turning to our outlook, we are reiterating our guidance for full year adjusted EBITDA of $1,200,000,000 to $1,260,000,000 As of March 31, our liquidity position consisted of $355,000,000 of unrestricted cash and $293,000,000 of availability under our revolving credit facility. Our debt balance at quarter end was comprised of corporate debt of $5,100,000,000 and a non recourse debt balance of approximately $1,500,000,000 At quarter end, our legacy business had $460,000,000 of remaining capacity in our warehouse facility, of which we had $455,000,000 of notes available to securitize and another $321,000,000 of mortgage notes we anticipate being eligible following certain customary milestones such as first payment, dating and recording.

Speaker 3

From a timing perspective, we expect to bring another deal to the market in the summer. Turning to our credit metrics at the end of Q1 and inclusive of all anticipated cost synergies, company's total net leverage on a TTM basis was 3.74 times. We are also recommitting to our long term leverage target of 2 to 3 times total net leverage. We will now turn the call over to the operator and look forward to your questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank Our first question comes from the line of Patrick Scholes with Truist Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning, Mark and Dan.

Speaker 3

Good morning.

Speaker 4

My first question concerns the ugreen acquisition. You have about 4 months of your belt now. How would you say that's tracking versus your underwriting? And then related to that, you initially had expected about $100,000,000 of expected cost synergies and then expected $75,000,000 to $100,000,000 of future revenue synergies. Now do they seem realistic at this point, maybe too conservative?

Speaker 4

How are you tracking and thinking about all of those? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes, sure, Patrick. So first of all, we closed quickly, right? We closed in January. So we've spent the last or the 1st couple of months really refining our plans. And we're really pleased with the progress and remain excited about the opportunities ahead.

Speaker 2

The main elements of the integration will be similar to the Diamond deal cost savings, rebranding of our sales centers and properties and integrating them into the overall HEV system. And then there's the partnership piece, which is really a new element of the deal that Diamond didn't bring. So on the cost side, we've moved to execution phase beginning in March and we're sitting here today. We've achieved nearly half of the $100,000,000 cost target on a run rate basis. So we feel really confident there.

Speaker 2

The rebranding of the sales centers will come first, followed by the properties over the next number of years. And remember, we're still rebranding Diamond Properties with, and I mentioned it in prepared remarks, where I think we have more than 10 planned for this year. And similar to what we did with DRI, it's going to take some time for us to design the rollout for HEV MAX, which is, as you recall, is our membership program. We're excited about that, but it will take some time. We have ultimate access and it's really around working through some of the technology developments and legal requirements there.

Speaker 2

So made great progress on the partnership front. Very, very excited about the opportunity with FastPro. We had our Board up there yesterday. We had our Board meeting up there and we had a chance to meet with the founder and the Bass Pro management team. They're very engaged and we're very engaged and very aligned to growing that relationship.

Speaker 2

So, but anyway, so taken together, I think the Bluegreen membership, the new distribution, significant pipeline, we're very excited about the revenue opportunities ahead. So all in all, feel really good. And I'll just add one last thing. We've been very pleased with the team members that we've inherited or we've brought on board from Bluegreen. They've got a great culture and we've seen that across the business.

Speaker 3

And I think Patrick, the only thing to add there, just getting back to one of your initial questions. With the Diamond transaction, when we announced it, we said, hey, cost synergies of 125 dollars plus. So we always thought there was a little bit more room there. The contrast that just from a context perspective for Bluegreen, we've always set a run rate target of $100,000,000 It's a smaller organization. We, to Mark's earlier point, we are at a run rate even through Q1 of just over or just about half of that run rate.

Speaker 3

And embedded in our guidance is realized synergies with the year within 2024 of $50,000,000 to $55,000,000 So we're definitely on the right track. We're very confident we're going to get to the $100,000,000 But we're also doing full evaluation of the talent and making sure that we have the right people in the right places to execute everything we need to execute on. So I would say we're comfortable with the $100,000,000 We're confident we're going to get there, but it's not the same element that Diamond was. So I wouldn't look for us in the next couple of quarters to go, oh, move from $100,000,000 to $110,000,000 We're right now very much focused on achieving the $100,000,000 target. Okay, great.

Speaker 3

My follow-up question is on,

Speaker 4

Okay, great. My follow-up question is on Maui.

Speaker 1

Mark, could

Speaker 4

you give us an update on how things are progressing there? And did you mention if there was an earnings impact in the quarter? And also if you could again talk about how you see the rest of the year progressing for you folks? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes, sure. Look, thankful. We're very fortunate neither of our properties is sustained any physical damage. And our Maui Bay Villa property is up on the is in South Maui. So that is on the other side of the island we're operating.

Speaker 2

Operating normal trends are continuing to improve the Kaanapali Beach property, which is on the west side near the epicenter of the worst damage. Operations are still impacted. We have some team members, FEMA and aid workers still staying within the property. So we said previously, we think occupancy will come back by the end of this year, but sales recovery will lag. And sales recovery is less about occupancy because occupancy now in Maui is around 90%.

Speaker 2

So slightly below our historical mid historical levels, which are usually in the mid to upper 90s despite the headwinds. So ex the impact of the wildfire, Maui would have been around $90,000,000 in sales in 2023, and we're still down almost 15% versus prior year in Q1. So we expect roughly the same in Q2. We're expecting that the recovery of the build is really going to build in the second half of the year, but still below our trajectory pre fire. So we expect to be fully back in 2025.

Speaker 4

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Sure.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brandt Montour with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking my question. So Mark, I was hoping you could elaborate a little bit more on the consumer, right? And what you saw improve throughout the Q1 in terms of close rates? It sounds like there were some tweaks that you made.

Speaker 5

There might have been a little bit of mix shift benefit from new owner tours to repeat owner tours. But if you strip all that out, what's the sort of sequential movement in hesitancy of the sales table tail? We all know that interest rates and inflation are high and dragging on some consumers. So maybe you could opine on that, please?

Speaker 2

The positive news is we've seen stabilization, right? And when you look at the traffic, traffic continues to be good in its building. So all in all, I think around the consumer, there's some uncertainty around the margin, but it isn't trending negatively and the behavior isn't really any different than what we've seen through previous cycles. New buyers have pulled back more than owners and that makes sense, right? Owners have lived the value proposition.

Speaker 2

They've made a commitment and they've been committed for a number of years. And I'd say across this segment, with the type of the quality a customer we're engaged with, it's less about income. It's more really about the uncertainty. They're reading the news every day as we are and that's pushed up a bit of hesitancy for this type of purchase. But on the other side, the good news is we have a lot of visibility on the traffic in our sales centers and control over tour flow.

Speaker 2

So that's a lever that we've opened up. And we're growing tours while maintaining the quality of the consumer based on FICO and income and net worth. So I think we're also much better positioned today, Brent, with our broader portfolio, including all the drive to destinations and a much more affordable entry point. So all in all, we're very focused on continuing to So So basically, we're seeing stabilization. We're seeing some improvement and we'll ramp tour flow as we go through the year.

Speaker 5

That's helpful. And then maybe for Dan, and I apologize if in your prepared remarks, you might have answered this to some extent. But in loan loss provisions, I think I asked this question last quarter, we went sort of waiting for this loan loss provision to move up toward this more punitive level of long term target. And it looks like in the Q1, it may have taken a step back a little bit quarter over quarter. And I know this is now including Bluegreen for a couple of months.

Speaker 5

So I guess, yes, and again, we thought Bluegreen would have again pressed pushed that number higher. And so what's the reason for that and sort of how should we think about that line going forward?

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks, Brent. I mean, it seems like I've been talking about this for a couple of years now, right? Ultimately, we do anticipate it to escalate to that mid teens range. If you look year over year, there's a lot of factors that come into play with the absolute dollar amount.

Speaker 3

How many people what's the propensity to borrow? How many people? How much are they actually mortgaging, etcetera. If you look from a pure rate perspective, year over year, it was detrimental. For the quarter, it probably cost us around circa $10,000,000 So we are seeing some level of elevation.

Speaker 3

I mean, it was 12% of contract tours. We talked about it going from an average last year of 10% to an average this year of 13%. And I think we're seeing some of that escalation and we're kind of right on track with that. So it's pretty consistent with headwind we talked about last quarter where we were thinking about headwinds hitting us this year, that $100,000,000 number, a big chunk of that was associated with bad debt. The balance was COP and some other nuances with license fees, etcetera.

Speaker 3

But the majority was the bad debt and we are seeing some of that movement. Now that being said, some items are still performing far better than what they were pre acquisition and most notably it's still the Diamond paper. The Diamond paper had an annualized default rate close to depending on the quarter that you're looking at, but back in 2019, it was between 17% 19%. And that is still holding very strong from an improvement standpoint at well depending on the quarter it's between 11% 12%. So significant improvement over pre acquisition levels.

Speaker 3

And then when you look at the HEV side, it's fairly consistent, slightly higher than 2019 levels. So all in all, we feel pretty good and we're pretty confident that ultimately as we run the business, it will land in that circa 15% of contract of owned contract sales level.

Speaker 5

That's perfect. Thanks everyone.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Lambert with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to tease out the impact of Bluegreen a little bit more. Did the weather have any sort of impact during the quarter just given that that owner base is a little bit more drive to in nature?

Speaker 2

Yes. There was a little bit of impact. I think really the bigger impact probably is, first of all, a lot of excitement from the Bluegreen members and the team members around the acquisition of Hilton. And I think what we're seeing though, very much like what we saw with DRI, we are seeing some we're seeing some maybe hesitation or anticipation of what the rollout of and what the combination of Hilton means to the Bluegreen members. And so they're excited.

Speaker 2

They love our brand. But right now, we are not introducing any of the Hilton or Hilton Grand Vacations or HGV MAX elements to the program right now. So there's that anticipation right now. And so that I think is going to cause a little bit of hesitancy until we work through that and that's really more technology driven and legal driven. And we expect that we're going to be able to announce that connection probably as we move into the Q4 of this year.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you. And if we can switch gears real quick to the fee for service business, I think it came in a bit lower than we and I think The Street was remodeling. So how should we think about that business for the balance of the year? That's all for me.

Speaker 6

Thanks.

Speaker 3

Sure. On a pro form a basis, if you were to look at 2023, because there is a little bit of fee for service business at Bluegreen already, but on a pro form a basis for 2023, fee for service accounted for about 24% annualized on a from a contract sales perspective. It's down to 16% in Q1. And what I would tell you is to assume the same level for the balance of the year. Just given the mix of the product that we have available to us, there shouldn't be a lot of movement in that throughout 2024.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Ben Chaikin with Mizuho. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Hey, thanks for taking my questions. Regarding Bluegreen, just back to one of the previous comments, I think you mentioned there was some anticipationhesitation from the Bull Green owners. Just to confirm, I think you were saying prior to introducing MAX, there's some technical and legal items. Did I catch that right? Maybe just explain maybe a little bit, if possible, what those are?

Speaker 7

And then once connected in 4Q, assuming I called all that right, will there be an active outreach? Or can you help us think about when you may start to see some of that sales leverage? I'm not sure if there's a delay. And then kind of related to that on Bass Pro, any color on how you may change or improve that experience from an in store perspective to better leverage the MAX product that's now available? And I have one quick follow-up.

Speaker 7

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes, sure, Ben. Yes, I'll try to make this a little clearer. So, first of all, very excited about the opportunity with Bluegreen and their members. They're very excited about the announcement. And historically, Bluegreen has not upgraded their members to the same degree as HGV or the industry more broadly.

Speaker 2

And when we launched HGV MAX with DRI, we now have nearly 160,000 MAX members now. We're confident that the brand, the Hilton benefits, expanded portfolio, the new experiences are going to resonate really well with the Bluegreen members. We saw that with DRI and we saw it with our HEV members. And we're working hard on designing the program and getting it ready for launch. But it will take some time before we can offer it to the Bluegreen owner base.

Speaker 2

And as we saw with Diamond, we know there's a lot of demand and Bluegreen base is base Our expectations right now is a rollout, Our expectations right now is a rollout beginning of Q4, may come a little earlier, may come a little later. We're not 100% sure. But all I can assure you that all the teams are working towards that. And our expectations is we'll see a nice bump up in activity and transactions similar to the way we saw with DRI when that occurs.

Speaker 3

Yes. And Ben, just the only thing I would add is, as you would imagine, and as Mark alluded to just now, we've seen this before. This is exactly how we walked through with Diamond. So as you would expect, this was all built into our underwrite when we acquired Bluegreen. So Q4 is not a delay.

Speaker 3

It's where we actually expected to start rolling this out right around that timeframe anyway. It actually might have been a hair later. But in any case, it was all included in our underwrite of the deal.

Speaker 7

That's very helpful. And then on the Bass Pro side, do you have any plans or can you share anything with us about how you may improve that or change or improve that experience just because you've now got a much broader product to introduce? Thanks.

Speaker 2

No, yes. Super excited about Bass Pro. I think I mentioned just a minute ago. We had our Board meeting up there yesterday and had a good part of our Board up there. We had an opportunity to meet with Johnny Morris, the Founder, his management team.

Speaker 2

And Bass Pro is more than a retail store. It's really a destination unto itself. We were looking at some of the data that Bass Pro was showing us yesterday, 200,000,000 visitors there a year and it's not like they're going to a normal retail outlet in and out buying something quickly. They explore the store and it's designed to really keep you engaged while you're there. We are working right now with Bass Pro and we brought in some outside consultants to think about how we can reimagine how we put the Hilton brand vacation brand in the store.

Speaker 2

Bluegreen did a nice job with what they were doing and over the years. But we think we can elevate that partnership and expand the opportunities to benefit our combined customers. And it's a great source of customer. When you look at really what's embedded in that Bluegreen member base, close to 50% of those members have been sourced through Bass Pro, either through new buyers or owners upgrading. And we think we're going to be able to expand and use different channels beyond the in store.

Speaker 2

We think there's digital opportunities and we love the diversification of the customers. So super excited and I know Bass Pro is very excited too. So we'll provide more information as we roll out new programs there.

Speaker 1

Got it.

Speaker 7

And then just a very quick follow-up. On the sales and marketing side, you mentioned getting some more operating leverage moving forward. Understanding that Bowling Green has higher sales and marketing, could you maybe just dig into what maybe drove it higher in the 1Q? And then why you would get more operating leverage going forward? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Sure. Actually, if you look at it on a pro form a basis, the sales and marketing percent year over year was relatively flat, right at 51 percent. Some of the operating leverage you're going to see is as we expect in the back half of the year, you're going to see not only from a seasonality perspective, but some of the initiatives we've talked about with VPGs improving, you'll get a little bit of scale that obviously offers some leverage and some benefits from a P and L perspective. And then also from a percentage basis, we basically, and I'm going to oversimplify this because there's for some of the team members listening on the phone, I mean, they're doing a lot of work with regards to cost synergies and all of those type of items, and it's a bit of a heavy lift. So oversimplification, there's basically 2 tracks.

Speaker 3

Track 1 was focused primarily on G and A, which we started to execute on and you can see that is reflected in numbers and track 2 is really looking at the sales and marketing side and as I alluded

Speaker 2

to earlier, making sure that we

Speaker 3

have the right talent, the ample level of talent to make sure we can execute on everything that we need to get done. One other element that you see that's specific to Q1, now year over year would be the same, but we do have a large ultimate access event in Q1 and it's our LPGA event that's held in January. So that also elevates costs in Q1 relative to other quarters.

Speaker 7

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of David Katz with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Just you've covered a lot of details, but I'm just curious, when we look at the 2 acquisitions that you've added to your system in the past few years and the sort of corporate orientation that includes a meaningful amount of Hawaii. Just curious of those 2 owner groups that have added to your system, how inclined are they? And are they participants

Speaker 3

in the Hawaii market?

Speaker 8

And to what degree relative to their sort of activities kind of on the mainland?

Speaker 2

Yes. So, look, Diamond had a, I think, 3 properties, yes, it was 3 properties. We have a total of 12 properties now in Maui or Hawaii soon to be 13. They had 3 properties there. So the Diamond members were already participating in Hawaii.

Speaker 2

And so in occupancy in Hawaii overall Hawaii occupancy, I think, is right around 90%. While we're in the Big Island are in the mid-90s and in line with what we did in 2019, and I mentioned Maui is on a low 90s right now and still below historical levels back in 2019. So great participation in Hawaii from that Diamond member base. But I think the Bluegreen when I looked at Bluegreen and we looked at Bluegreen for a number of years, we coveted that business and especially around some of their great partnerships and their organic growth they've had with their membership program. The one missing element for Bluegreen, I always felt was Hawaii.

Speaker 2

And I can tell you that the teams and the members at Bluegreen are super excited about the opportunity now to be able to experience Hawaii. Now that won't occur until we get HCV Max rolled out and that won't occur until the latter part of this year. But we think, as I talked about historically, Bluegreen hasn't upgraded the same degree as the rest of the or the broader industry. We think, Hawaii is going to help move that upgrade along as well as the HEV MAX and all the Hilton benefits. So, yes, Bluegreen, I know the team members are super excited to be able to talk about Hawaii in their presentation going forward.

Speaker 8

Excellent. And if I can just follow-up on the interesting Bass Pro commentary, obviously not fishing for details we can't have, but when we think about Bass Pro as a partner and potential sort of new structure of a deal, is that something that's a this year dynamic or this year conversation where we might get some more detail?

Speaker 2

Yes. We'll provide more detail as we move forward. I mean, we have a JV. There's 2 parts of the Bass Pro deal, right? We have the marketing agreement and we have the JV agreement.

Speaker 2

And we were looking at a number of opportunities from a JV standpoint, really creating this experiential outdoor type of enthusiast brand. And so we have some plans and it's too early to discuss them at this point. But as we move through the year or into next year, we're going to be excited to announce some of these new JV properties. And also as I talked about on a previous from when I was speaking to Ben, we're going to talk more about some of the program developments that we're going to be doing within the stores.

Speaker 1

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Patrick Scholes with Truist Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Mark, a follow-up question, not dissimilar to what I asked last quarter. On the Park Hotels earnings call, they really came out quite optimistic on the Japanese return of the Japanese customer again. And I think when I asked a similar question last quarter, I think you were a bit more, I would characterize as subdued about the return of the Japanese customer. What are your latest thoughts on that?

Speaker 4

And certainly, we've seen a sizable increase in year over year in the economy of the Japanese customer stuff on that kind of tailwind? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. So look, I think there's a couple of pieces for us, right? When you look at the Japan business, the good news for us is our owners are coming back and they are back pretty much back to 19th levels. The other good news is if you look at the owners that are going to Sissoko, our new property in Japan, when you combine that those arrivals in Hawaii and the arrivals in Japan, they're well over what we saw in 2019. So our members are traveling at a very good rate.

Speaker 2

Now when you think about new buyers, Japanese new buyers, we're still down. When you look at the data today, I think in 2023, arrivals from Japan were 63% below 2019. Now year to date, they're 53% below 19%. So it's getting better. Now our new buyer Japan tours within Japan is we have 13 offices over there.

Speaker 2

Those are back almost to 19th level. So the good news, our Japanese members are traveling, They're staying at our properties. The good news is the new buyer Japanese are traveling are back in Japan. We're still waiting for those new buyers to come back to Hawaii from the general transient business. And our expectations right now are that it's still going to take a number of years, but it's moving in the right direction.

Operator

Thank you. Before we end, I will turn the call back over to Mark Wang for any closing remarks. Mr. Wang?

Speaker 2

Yes. Before we wrap up, I'd like to thank all of our team members for their continued service and dedication to our owners and guests to create memorable vacation experiences. Thank you for joining us today and we look forward to speaking with you again soon. Have a great day.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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