NASDAQ:CODA Coda Octopus Group Q2 2024 Earnings Report $6.38 +0.16 (+2.57%) As of 01:01 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Coda Octopus Group EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.13Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ACoda Octopus Group Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$5.32 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACoda Octopus Group Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date6/12/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, June 12, 2024Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsCoda Octopus Group's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, June 11, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Coda Octopus Group Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJune 12, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning. Welcome to CODA Octopus Group's Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. My name is Sherry, and I will be your operator today. Before this call, Coda Octopus issued its financial results for the Q2 2024 ended April 30, 2024, including a press release, a copy of which will be furnished in the report filed with the SEC. It will be available in the Investor Relations section of the company's website. Operator00:00:30Joining us on today's call from Coda Octopus are its Chair and CEO, Anne Marie Gail its Interim CFO, Gail Jardine. Following their remarks, we will open up the call for questions. Before we begin, Jeff Turner will make a brief introductory statement. Mr. Turner, please proceed. Speaker 100:00:51Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Coda Opt's Q2 fiscal 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Before management begins their formal remarks, we would like to remind everyone that some statements we're making today may be considered forward looking statements under securities law and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. As a result, we caution you that there are a number of factors, many of which are beyond our control, which could cause actual results and events to differ materially from those described in the forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:30For more detailed risks, uncertainties and assumptions relating to our forward looking statements, please see the disclosures in our earnings release and public filings made with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We disclaim any obligation or undertaking to update forward looking statements to reflect circumstances or events that occur after the date the forward looking statements are made, except as may be required by law. We refer you to our filing, Securities and Exchange Commission, for detailed disclosures and descriptions of our business, as well as uncertainties and other variable circumstances, including, but not limited, the risks and uncertainties identified in our Form 10 ks for the year ended October 31, 2023 and Forms 10Q for the 1st and second quarter of this fiscal year. You may get CodorOpta's Securities and Exchange Commission filings free by visiting the SEC website at www.sec.gov. I would also like to remind everyone that this call is being recorded and will be made available for replay via a link in the Investor Relations section of Oteroctopus' website. Speaker 100:02:51Now I will turn the call over to the company's Chair and CEO, Anne Marie Gabel. Ann Marie? Speaker 200:02:58Thanks, Jess, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our Q2 20 24 earnings call. Our revenue in the Q2 2024 was in line with our Q2 2023 revenue. Despite various challenges in the Q2, we delivered a solid set of results, including increasing our operating income, net income and earnings per share. During the Q2, we observed a slowdown in the pace of placing orders relating to U. Speaker 200:03:38S. Defense Sector Programs caused by the funding gaps created by the use of continuing resolutions to fund the SENS programs instead of a fully funded federal budget. This is not unusual where there is an upcoming presidential election. Notwithstanding these temporary constraints, I am very pleased that we were able to increase our revenue generation outside of the USA, which shows the diversity and resilience in our revenue stream. The Marine Technology business revenue in the Q2 2024 was broadly in alignment with the Q2 2023 revenue. Speaker 200:04:30I am particularly pleased with the increased utilization of our rental assets during the Q2 and therefore the improved gross profit margins of 80.2% in the Q2 2024 compared to 75.3% in the Q2 2023. We are also very pleased to see better traction in sales emanating from Asia, which was 15.9% higher in the quarter. Sales for this segment from the USA fell from $1,800,000 to $600,000 as a result of funding gaps created by the use of continuing resolutions to fund defense programs. This means that without a federal budget, there is limited funding for these programs and many of these are currently only partially funded. Our engineering business saw an increase in revenue and is making good progress in key areas. Speaker 200:05:45This business was also impacted by a reduction in order intake relating to their ongoing defense programs and sales from USA Defense Programs for this segment fell from $1,100,000 to $800,000 This is due to the funding gaps I touched on earlier. Moving to our Q2 2024 overview. During the Q2 of 2024, we continued to make progress against our key growth drivers. As I mentioned, we saw increased traction for our exoscope rental services. This resulted in an increase in gross profit margins. Speaker 200:06:37Although sales in the USA were significantly down due to the funding gaps relating to defense programs, our team was able to recover some sales in other geographies. I'm particularly pleased with this as it shows the diversification and resilience within our revenue streams. Of great importance, we also provided extensive support to the ongoing operations relating to the Francis Court Key Bridge collapse. The circumstances surrounding the collapse were tragic, and we are pleased that we could have assisted in some small way. This high profile engagement has reinforced the importance of our technology for these sorts of applications and has marketed the ETCOscope to other customers around the world, including in North America. Speaker 200:07:42The ETCOOP technology has been the primary sensor used for a broad scope of activities relating to recovery, salvage and real time inspection. This high profile project again highlighted the importance of the capability of the Eterscope technology, a single sensor for multiple real time three d imaging applications, including in disaster disaster recovery programs. Over the years, the Etchoscope has been used globally in many disaster recovery programs, including in South Korea, Japan and Europe. We made further progress with Naval Information Warfare Center, NIWC, and supplied under a lease agreement 2 of our compact Ecoscoop sonars for their ongoing evaluation of our technology for the VIGIARY defender platform. We also continue to work with an Allied Foreign Navy, which has selected the Vigurie platform escoscope on their vehicles and we have begun to provide training on the escoscope to their personnel. Speaker 200:09:10This is a good indication that the ETCOOP technology is included in their sensor selection program. We also made progress on the ship hull scanning program, which we have been pursuing with our Navy customers. And in the Q2, we completed successful trials. This ship hull scanning platform, which we delivered to the Navy in our Q3 of 2023, includes both the ETCO scope and DAVID capabilities. This is an important step forward under this program, which has been executed over a 3 year period and for which we received $1,000,000 in funding over this period. Speaker 200:10:05We're not aware of any effective solutions in the market for ship hull scanning and if the company's developed solution is accepted by the Navy as meeting the requirements of this program, this could be significant for our business. Furthermore, there are many different Navy commands that are interested in the solution we have put forward. We also continue to make progress in the adoption of the DAVID HEVOD system. And in the Q2, we partnered with a U. S. Speaker 200:10:47Service provider to complete a tunnel inspection project using the DAVID system and our Echoscope. We believe this was a resounding success as we were able to show the effectiveness of the DABIT and Echoscope solution for these applications, particularly the return on investment for customers and the superior deliverables achievable with this solution. We're discussing adoption of the technology with this U. S. Commercial service provider. Speaker 200:11:27We also made good progress in advancing a DABE on tapered system customization and hardening program and received partial funding of $250,000 We anticipate the remaining $1,000,000 will be released as the budget free constraints mentioned earlier are removed. Despite this, the program of hardening the David Ontebert system is proceeding and we are doing everything within our remit to move this program to a successful conclusion for the company and its shareholders. We continue to believe that this is the biggest opportunity for the DAVIDs technology. Our newly launched AB digital audio underwater communication system has been undergoing Navy evaluation. We have now received overridingly positive feedback on the technology from a survey conducted by the Navy of its divers involved in this evaluation, 100% of those involved believe that this product increased their diving capability and level of safety by providing clearer and crisper communications. Speaker 200:13:02They all said they would use the product on a mission if available and thought that it was superior to existing analog communication system. We continue to make good progress with our goal of creating the conditions for returning the engineering business to its pre COVID $10,000,000 revenue profile. To achieve this, we will need to increase the number of new defense programs that we are supplying proprietary sub assemblies into. We have now seen some new programs materializing and I'm excited about this. In the second quarter, we received a partial award of $771,000 for production units for a new sub assembly for an existing program of record, which is being upgraded due to obsolescence of some of the components. Speaker 200:14:12We had anticipated an initial award of $1,500,000 under this program, but due to the funding gaps mentioned earlier, we received a partial award and expect the remainder when funding becomes available. We are excited about this program of upgrade as there are many existing systems in the field that will need to be upgraded with a new part, which we have designed, and this will generate meaningful revenue on this program over time. We also received a new order for Thermite Mission Computers, which relates to a new Navy program. This is for an initial preproduction quantity of 8 systems for a contract value of $280,000 We expect the larger production orders for this program in early 2025. Finally, we also continue to perform quality business development activities, including working with our newly appointed business development focus group in the U. Speaker 200:15:36S. We can already see the promise of the success of this engagement. Let me now turn the call over to our interim CFO, Gail Jardine, to take you through our financials before I provide my closing remarks. Speaker 300:15:58Thank you, Anne Marie, and good morning, everyone. Let me take you through our Q2 2024 financial results, starting with revenue. In the Q2 of 2024, we recorded total revenue of $5,320,000 compared to $5,300,000 in the Q2 of 2023, an increase of 0.4%. The marine technology business, or products business, generated revenue of $3,520,000 compared to 3.5 $8,000,000 a 1.6 percent decrease from the Q2 of 2023. Our marine engineering business or services business generated revenue of $1,800,000 compared to $1,700,000 an increase of 4.7% from the Q2 of 2023. Speaker 300:16:55As discussed earlier, our total consolidated revenue increased in the 2nd quarter by 0.4%. Our engineering segment revenue increased in the 2nd quarter, and the product segment saw an increase in rentals, rental related support services and an increase in sales outside of the U. S. Region, including in our strategic market area of Asia, where outright sales increased by 15.9%. Sales from North America were down due to the reduction in the defense program funding for the reasons Anne Marie explained earlier. Speaker 300:17:32Moving on to gross profit and margin. In the Q2 of 2024, we generated gross profit of $3,700,000 compared to $3,600,000 in the Q2 of 2023. Consolidated gross margin was 70.2% versus 68.3 percent in the Q2 of last year. In our Marine Technology business, gross margin increased to 80 0.2% in the Q2 of 2024 compared to 75.3% in 2023, reflecting changes in the mix of sales, primarily due to the increase in rental and the associated support service sales, which have a higher gross margin. Our marine engineering business gross margin decreased to 50.7% in the Q2 of 20 24 versus 53.9 percent in the Q2 of 2023, again reflecting the mix of engineering projects during Total operating expenses for the Q2 of 2024 decreased to $2,400,000 compared to $2,800,000 in the Q2 of 2023, which is largely due to the reduction in our stock compensation charges in the period. Speaker 300:19:01Our selling, general and administrative costs in the Q2 of 2024 totaled $1,800,000 a decrease of 17.7 percent from $2,200,000 in the Q2 of 2023. As a percentage of revenue, our selling, general and administrative costs for the Q2 of 2024 were 34.7% compared to 42.3% in Q2 of 2023. The reduction is mainly due to a decrease in stock compensation charges. In accordance with our strategy, we continue to recalibrate our working capital towards business development and marketing activities. Accordingly, in our Q2, marketing expenses increased by approximately 52%. Speaker 300:19:53This included the fees relating to quarter of 2024 was $1,400,000 compared to $900,000 in the Q2 of 2023, an increase of 57.9 percent. Operating margin was 25.4% compared to 16.1% in the Q2 of 2023, primarily due to the increase in gross profit margin combined with the reduction in total operating expenses. Income before taxes in the Q2 of 2024 was $1,600,000 compared to $1,000,000 in the Q2 of 2023. Net income after taxes in the Q2 of 2024 was $1,400,000 or $0.13 per diluted share compared to $1,000,000 or $0.09 per diluted share in the Q2 of 2023. Moving now to our balance sheet. Speaker 300:21:05As of April 30, 2024, we had $23,700,000 in cash and cash equivalents on hand and no debt. This represents a decrease of $700,000 from October 31, 2023, where the comparable figure was $24,400,000 This is mostly due to the purchase of long lead time items into inventory. So you will see that line item has increased accordingly. Our working capital increased to $41,000,000 from $37,600,000 at October 31, 2023. Now I will turn the call back over to Anne Marie for closing remarks. Speaker 300:21:47Thank you. Speaker 200:21:49Thank you, Gail. I want to close by emphasizing that we continue to work to create stable long term shareholder value. I want to remind everyone that growth is a process and not an event. Think of it like a puzzle and we're putting the pieces together. In the meantime, we're running a profitable business. Speaker 200:22:15Our team is doing an outstanding job in maintaining superior margins and profits for our shareholders, while all the time seeking to grow sustainably without compromising our track record of a tightly run profitable business. In the 2024 fiscal year, there are a number of key management goals for our business to achieve with a focus on growth. We have a compelling calendar of prestigious business development activities in 20 24 with a focus on the defense applications. Some of our goals include continuing to seek to increase the number of programs that our Echoscope technology is embedded in, further prioritizing engage in the DABET ONTEPTET system customization and hardening program with the goal of securing the technologies adoption by the Special Forces community in early 2025, supporting the rollout and adoption of the DAVID Tebot system to the market, both in the defense and commercial space supporting the rollout and adoption of the digital audio communications solutions. We built the engineering business to its pre COVID $10,000,000 revenue profile and we're seeing traction with new programs which will assist in achieving this goal. Speaker 200:24:01Develop our pipeline of candidates under our M and A strategy with a goal of acquiring complementary value accretive technologies into our portfolio. We continue to believe in the growth prospects and strategy built around our disruptive technologies. By adopting this strategy, it pivots the revenue model of the marine technology business to a multi year and multiple sale model as we have started to see with a DABBID product line. Though it could take several years for these programs to mature, we continue to believe this is the best strategy for our businesses growth prospects. Therefore, we believe that our near term growth will be incremental but solid. Speaker 200:24:53To conclude, we would like to thank our shareholders for their continued support. We're now happy to answer your questions. Operator? Operator00:25:26Our first question is from Brian Kinstlinger with Alliance Global Partners. Please proceed. Speaker 400:25:33Great. Thanks for taking my questions. I got a laundry list. Anne Marie, 2 quarters ago you discussed the challenges in both offshore renewables and underwater construction markets that was leading to delays. Some of it was pricing challenges due to inflation. Speaker 400:25:48Can you update us as to the state of these markets and how the environment is the same or different today? Speaker 200:25:55Thank you, Brian, very much for that question. So as we saw in the Q2, we saw really increase in the utilization of our rental assets. And that's largely being driven by offshore renewables programs and projects actually and also underwater construction activities. So what we're seeing is increased demand for our rental solutions for underwater construction, some of which includes offshore renewables. Speaker 400:26:33Great. And then the work you did with the Francis Scott Key Bridge and the headlines of that disaster, how if at all have you been to use that to drive awareness or increased adoption of your technology? Speaker 200:26:47Well, that drove awareness, Brian. Also, I mean, it's also was a good reinforcement of the capability of our technology and the uniqueness of our technology and what it can deliver. So that was really a good marketing awareness campaign for the business globally. And we've seen tractions coming from that exposure that we've had. So all these things will take time to percolate into firm orders, but we certainly have had some new contacts from that event. Speaker 200:27:30And including also what I'd like to emphasize also, Brian, is that including some of the programs, the defense programs that we've been working on in the U. S, this is just reinforced really their finding and what they're doing and helping to galvanize outcomes on some of these programs. So all in all, really, really good piece of marketing for our business. Speaker 400:27:59Great. And then in terms of the DAB, some great news on the TUNEL program that you discussed. I'm curious if you see an inflection point in orders for either tethered or untethered systems in the next 12 to 18 months based on this progress you're making? Speaker 200:28:14Yes. So, certainly, let's take the tethered system, which as you know is in the market. It's on the approved Navy used items. And there what we are seeing is new commands putting in requests or requisitions for acquiring the technology. We know several commands are trying to get budget to do this. Speaker 200:28:40So but the barrier in this quarter and possibly the next quarter is really where we see defense programs budgets are really limited at the moment. But certainly, we could see strong interest in the DAVID technology. And more importantly, Brian, when we started, when we did the initial rule out of the DABID to the Navy, one of the key things we weren't sure of was how they would buy the technology. Would it be just a davit or would they buy the echoscope also? And I'm pleased to say that they definitely find the echoscope along with the David game changing. Speaker 200:29:26So that will be sold or purchased by them as a pair. So that is very exciting for our business because that is an established group room now. And to a large extent, the David Teva system is a passive seal now within the U. S. Navy because it's an approved Navy use item. Speaker 200:29:47What this business has to do is to continue providing training, working with the different commands, working with the Navy to heighten awareness in its community for the DABIT capability. And thereafter, I think, it will sell itself. So I'm excited about that for the debit Tebbit system. For the on Tebbit system, really there that work is ongoing. As you know, we have 8 systems fielded with both the U. Speaker 200:30:21S. Navy and the Foreign Navy, and they're working together to evaluate the system. And even though we have actually been affected by limited funding at the moment, the program continues to work at space. We continue with the hardening and turning over revisions to the product to the Navy. So although there is a gap in funding, it is not at all affecting the progress that we're making on these programs. Speaker 200:30:53So coming back, therefore, to the inflection point, I really think that we're seeing good and solid traction in the market for the DAS technology all around. And I think it will take time for people to adopt the technology, but we are getting closer and seeing that. The tunnel program that we did in the U. S, really, really important. We also, in the last quarter, as you know, sold our first debit system in South Korea. Speaker 200:31:27I think that they were very, very pleased. Also another very high profile project that they've used the technology on and they themselves are on the road to adoption. We have several major offshore service providers in Europe who are still going through their own internal process for the DABIT. So I feel very much that there is we're getting closer the recognition of what the technology is capable of. That's growing. Speaker 200:32:03And really, it's about now getting people over the line to start putting in their budgets for the technology. So I think that we'll probably see much more increased demand for the system coming from the U. S. Once the budgetary constraints are removed. And also, I am excited about the joint program that we have, both with the U. Speaker 200:32:31S. Navy and with the foreign Navy, because then I think that that is going very, very well and we certainly want to get the system in the hands of the special forces using it. They have big budgets and really, we're excited about that. Speaker 400:32:47Great. Now I think the natural follow-up to that, I heard you mentioned it may be 1 more quarter on the budget side. But if I'm not mistaken, the CR ended at the end of June. Have you begun to see a recovery yet slow, not a recovery at all yet on the budget side? Just maybe take us through on the marine and or engineering services, what's happened since the CR ended? Speaker 200:33:11No, I think it's really the appropriations now. And I think that what we're seeing on programs is that appropriations have not been made to their programs. So many programs are still only getting partial budget. I think the next point where we will see funding released is in July. That's my understanding. Speaker 200:33:33In any event for the programs we're working on, July is critical because there's going to be new tranche of fundings to various programs. So it's I think, Brian, it is this is not really unusual in an election year. There's all this political environment that's fraught. And so this is not a big surprise for business. However, as I said, I expect in July, there will be some funding being released. Speaker 200:34:07What I don't certainly have visibility of is the extent of this funding round for programs like the DAVID program, programs like for engineering business that we're waiting for a number of key orders. So I don't have visibility. But what we have consistently seen is a partial funding as opposed to full funding. Speaker 400:34:32Got it. Last question for me, then I'll get back in the queue. You mentioned the preproduction order for the thermite program, which is great to see. I know you've been hoping that thermite demand would start to pick up. You mentioned the production could begin in the Q1 of 2025, I think. Speaker 400:34:49Can you estimate the size of the opportunity for you on that production program? Speaker 200:34:55Well, the one that we where we've got a small initial evaluation order evaluation system order, my understanding is that potentially there'll be 200 units under the program for our purchase order. So we wait to see, but that's the number we are working towards. Speaker 400:35:17And can I look at the 8 units delivered in $250,000 as an ARPU or is that not accurate? Speaker 200:35:25No, that's accurate. That's accurate. Speaker 100:35:27Okay, great. Great. Speaker 400:35:28Thanks so much, Anne Marie. Speaker 200:35:30No, thank you. Bye. Operator00:35:40Our next question is from Fernando Canto with Private Investor. Please proceed. Speaker 500:35:46Hi, Ana Marie. Congratulations on a very good quarter. I just have a question. I see on the Q1 that the own bill receivables were $763,000 and they went up this quarter to $1,580,000 Is there any explanation for that, please? Speaker 200:36:08Did you say receivables? Speaker 500:36:10Yes, on bill receivables. On bill receivables. Speaker 200:36:13On bill receivables. Gaye, can you take that question for us, please? Speaker 300:36:18Sure. Can you hear me, Fernando? Speaker 200:36:21Yes. Yes, we can hear you again, by go. Speaker 300:36:24Yes. Basically, it went up from $1,600,000 to $1,600,000 from $900,000 and that reflects the increase in our accumulated projects expenses incurred on uncompleted contracts. So it's work that we have done. So we've invested a lot of time and materials and some projects that haven't yet built. So that's why they are on the balance sheet as contracts in progress or unbilled receivables. Speaker 500:36:49Right. That's possibly for your Q3 then. Speaker 200:36:56Yes. I think that just what we said, we saw an increase in our engineering projects in the second quarter. And in the Q1, it was really, really off plan. We're seeing that business coming back on plan. And as I mentioned in my Q1 earnings call, we expect a lot of the engineering businesses revenues to be back loaded and we're seeing that coming through. Speaker 500:37:28Right. All right. Well, thank you very much and congratulation again, Anne Marie. Speaker 200:37:33Thank you very much. Thank you, Fernandes. Thank you, Fernandes. Speaker 300:37:37Thank you. Operator00:37:38Our next question is from Andrew Scott with SLF. Please proceed. Speaker 600:37:46Hi, Anne Marie. Great quarter. I know you're probably a little bit frustrated with growth, but I just wanted to remind everybody that you're doing a great job in managing your business. I had a chance to calculate your ROA, your ROE, your return on shareholder equity. And I'd like to challenge everybody else to run the same numbers with other marine related companies. Speaker 600:38:10And you guys are at the top of your peer group. So great job in running a business. I heard some of the questions before, so a lot of the comments that I had have been answered. But you have a great balance sheet. You've got ingredients efficiency to grow the company through acquisitions. Speaker 600:38:31Are there any verticals, any markets that you're specifically looking at? But again, just great job in running the business, very exciting. Speaker 200:38:42Thank you very much, Andrew. We are also very, very thank you for that. I'm really excited about the business. And it is correct. I mean, it is I think also what was, for me, very, very positive in the quarter is that we saw challenges. Speaker 200:39:01It was a very, very challenging environment for defense programs, but the team was able to pivot and really make up revenues from other jurisdictions and geographies. And Asia is up by 15.6%. I'm really excited about that because that is a key market for us. So we've launched our digital audio communication system. And whilst that's not a big ticket item, the market is considerable for that technology. Speaker 200:39:39And we now know that Navy is moving forward with that product. I'm also excited because then this further diversification of our revenues and it also is a good entry point because it's the same customer base for the David. So when we're talking to our customers about digital audio and they buy into that technology, cheap and cheerful at the bottom end, I mean, that is really the entry point to get them to think about the damage. So I'm really excited about where we are with the business and, of course, deeply frustrated about the slowdown in government funding. But we're still all the programs that we have, the defense programs, they're moving forward. Speaker 200:40:27And I am really, really excited about the prospects for the business in the long term. Speaker 600:40:35Yes. And that's a big deal. That diversified revenue model, you're shifting away from your traditional and you're diversifying different countries in your revenue group. I think that's a really overlooked fact and I think that's really going to help your business growing going forward. Yes, I think the next 12 months are going to be very exciting for Coda. Speaker 600:40:57Again, great job in running the business. I know the margins went up, your profits went up. And while you're struggling to get the growth going, again, I heard you say before, it's a process, not an event. I think you're right, but you and your team are doing a great job in driving bigger numbers to the bottom line. So as a shareholder, we really appreciate that. Speaker 600:41:20Thank you. Speaker 200:41:20Thank you. Thank you very much, Andrew. Thank you. Speaker 600:41:24Got it. Great job, guys. Operator00:41:27Our next question is from William Bremer with Vanquish Capital Partners. Please proceed. Speaker 700:41:35Good morning. How are you Ann Marie? Speaker 200:41:37I'm very well, very well. How are you doing? Speaker 700:41:41Fantastic quarter given many variables that are really that you really can't control with the budgets. Going back to Brian's commentary on the thermite, if my math is correct, the $200,000,000 that would equate to about a $7,000,000 order, is that correct? Speaker 200:42:00Over time. Over time. Speaker 700:42:03Wow. That's fantastic to hear. Fantastic. Also, I wanted you to give us just a little history. You have been utilizing AI for quite some time. Speaker 700:42:16Can you give us a little more granularity in terms of how many of your products you've embedded AI technology to? And you've been such an early adopter in this technology going back, if I may be mistaken, probably at 4 or 5 years. Is that correct? Speaker 200:42:36Well, I think the first AI product was in where are we now, 2024. I think around 2019 actually was our first AI product actually where that was on our geophysical software range. And really what we've done there and we've really changed the market actually. And that product that we have is called SEDAT. And what it really does, I mean, when you go for an oil and gas installation and collecting site scan data, really at the pre stage or pre development stage, really what you're looking at at the sea bottom, you're saying what's on the seabed, how many boulders are there. Speaker 200:43:21Geophysicists can take quite a long time just tagging the boulders in the boulder field. And what we've done, we've absolutely used AI to automate that. And our Boulder detection product will do geophysicist will probably spend 4 days on something that we have down to 2 hours. So that's the leading product in the market actually, and we've then also pivoted now to our digital audio solution where we're using AI technology mainly on the in a sort of helium environment for speech correction of the diverse speech. So when you're in sort of a helium environment, your voice get all squeaky. Speaker 200:44:12So we're really using AI technology, been able to clean that up completely. Speaker 700:44:20Fantastic. Fantastic to hear. One thing I'd like you to consider and I know how busy your team is with all the different end markets that you are addressing, and I really appreciate the commentary that you just made. Would it be would you and your team be open to having an Investor Day, a Portfolio Management Day and Analyst Day, maybe down in Florida where you have a subsidiary, to showcase to the capital markets your underlying technology. I think that would help get the word out even better that for some of us that have been invested in this company for over 5 years to finally see to come to fruition may be a nice offering. Speaker 700:45:06Just something for you and the Speaker 200:45:08Great idea, Brian. Great, great idea. And we'll certainly look at that, but great idea. Speaker 700:45:15Thank you. But this is William. I appreciate it. Thank you, Ann Marie. Speaker 200:45:19Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:45:22At this time, this concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Anne Marie Yao for closing remarks. Speaker 200:45:32Thank you very much for your interest in CODA Octopus. Have a great day and thank you for joining our call today. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning. Welcome to CODA Octopus Group's Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. My name is Sherry, and I will be your operator today. Before this call, Coda Octopus issued its financial results for the Q2 2024 ended April 30, 2024, including a press release, a copy of which will be furnished in the report filed with the SEC. It will be available in the Investor Relations section of the company's website. Operator00:00:30Joining us on today's call from Coda Octopus are its Chair and CEO, Anne Marie Gail its Interim CFO, Gail Jardine. Following their remarks, we will open up the call for questions. Before we begin, Jeff Turner will make a brief introductory statement. Mr. Turner, please proceed. Speaker 100:00:51Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Coda Opt's Q2 fiscal 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Before management begins their formal remarks, we would like to remind everyone that some statements we're making today may be considered forward looking statements under securities law and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. As a result, we caution you that there are a number of factors, many of which are beyond our control, which could cause actual results and events to differ materially from those described in the forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:30For more detailed risks, uncertainties and assumptions relating to our forward looking statements, please see the disclosures in our earnings release and public filings made with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We disclaim any obligation or undertaking to update forward looking statements to reflect circumstances or events that occur after the date the forward looking statements are made, except as may be required by law. We refer you to our filing, Securities and Exchange Commission, for detailed disclosures and descriptions of our business, as well as uncertainties and other variable circumstances, including, but not limited, the risks and uncertainties identified in our Form 10 ks for the year ended October 31, 2023 and Forms 10Q for the 1st and second quarter of this fiscal year. You may get CodorOpta's Securities and Exchange Commission filings free by visiting the SEC website at www.sec.gov. I would also like to remind everyone that this call is being recorded and will be made available for replay via a link in the Investor Relations section of Oteroctopus' website. Speaker 100:02:51Now I will turn the call over to the company's Chair and CEO, Anne Marie Gabel. Ann Marie? Speaker 200:02:58Thanks, Jess, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our Q2 20 24 earnings call. Our revenue in the Q2 2024 was in line with our Q2 2023 revenue. Despite various challenges in the Q2, we delivered a solid set of results, including increasing our operating income, net income and earnings per share. During the Q2, we observed a slowdown in the pace of placing orders relating to U. Speaker 200:03:38S. Defense Sector Programs caused by the funding gaps created by the use of continuing resolutions to fund the SENS programs instead of a fully funded federal budget. This is not unusual where there is an upcoming presidential election. Notwithstanding these temporary constraints, I am very pleased that we were able to increase our revenue generation outside of the USA, which shows the diversity and resilience in our revenue stream. The Marine Technology business revenue in the Q2 2024 was broadly in alignment with the Q2 2023 revenue. Speaker 200:04:30I am particularly pleased with the increased utilization of our rental assets during the Q2 and therefore the improved gross profit margins of 80.2% in the Q2 2024 compared to 75.3% in the Q2 2023. We are also very pleased to see better traction in sales emanating from Asia, which was 15.9% higher in the quarter. Sales for this segment from the USA fell from $1,800,000 to $600,000 as a result of funding gaps created by the use of continuing resolutions to fund defense programs. This means that without a federal budget, there is limited funding for these programs and many of these are currently only partially funded. Our engineering business saw an increase in revenue and is making good progress in key areas. Speaker 200:05:45This business was also impacted by a reduction in order intake relating to their ongoing defense programs and sales from USA Defense Programs for this segment fell from $1,100,000 to $800,000 This is due to the funding gaps I touched on earlier. Moving to our Q2 2024 overview. During the Q2 of 2024, we continued to make progress against our key growth drivers. As I mentioned, we saw increased traction for our exoscope rental services. This resulted in an increase in gross profit margins. Speaker 200:06:37Although sales in the USA were significantly down due to the funding gaps relating to defense programs, our team was able to recover some sales in other geographies. I'm particularly pleased with this as it shows the diversification and resilience within our revenue streams. Of great importance, we also provided extensive support to the ongoing operations relating to the Francis Court Key Bridge collapse. The circumstances surrounding the collapse were tragic, and we are pleased that we could have assisted in some small way. This high profile engagement has reinforced the importance of our technology for these sorts of applications and has marketed the ETCOscope to other customers around the world, including in North America. Speaker 200:07:42The ETCOOP technology has been the primary sensor used for a broad scope of activities relating to recovery, salvage and real time inspection. This high profile project again highlighted the importance of the capability of the Eterscope technology, a single sensor for multiple real time three d imaging applications, including in disaster disaster recovery programs. Over the years, the Etchoscope has been used globally in many disaster recovery programs, including in South Korea, Japan and Europe. We made further progress with Naval Information Warfare Center, NIWC, and supplied under a lease agreement 2 of our compact Ecoscoop sonars for their ongoing evaluation of our technology for the VIGIARY defender platform. We also continue to work with an Allied Foreign Navy, which has selected the Vigurie platform escoscope on their vehicles and we have begun to provide training on the escoscope to their personnel. Speaker 200:09:10This is a good indication that the ETCOOP technology is included in their sensor selection program. We also made progress on the ship hull scanning program, which we have been pursuing with our Navy customers. And in the Q2, we completed successful trials. This ship hull scanning platform, which we delivered to the Navy in our Q3 of 2023, includes both the ETCO scope and DAVID capabilities. This is an important step forward under this program, which has been executed over a 3 year period and for which we received $1,000,000 in funding over this period. Speaker 200:10:05We're not aware of any effective solutions in the market for ship hull scanning and if the company's developed solution is accepted by the Navy as meeting the requirements of this program, this could be significant for our business. Furthermore, there are many different Navy commands that are interested in the solution we have put forward. We also continue to make progress in the adoption of the DAVID HEVOD system. And in the Q2, we partnered with a U. S. Speaker 200:10:47Service provider to complete a tunnel inspection project using the DAVID system and our Echoscope. We believe this was a resounding success as we were able to show the effectiveness of the DABIT and Echoscope solution for these applications, particularly the return on investment for customers and the superior deliverables achievable with this solution. We're discussing adoption of the technology with this U. S. Commercial service provider. Speaker 200:11:27We also made good progress in advancing a DABE on tapered system customization and hardening program and received partial funding of $250,000 We anticipate the remaining $1,000,000 will be released as the budget free constraints mentioned earlier are removed. Despite this, the program of hardening the David Ontebert system is proceeding and we are doing everything within our remit to move this program to a successful conclusion for the company and its shareholders. We continue to believe that this is the biggest opportunity for the DAVIDs technology. Our newly launched AB digital audio underwater communication system has been undergoing Navy evaluation. We have now received overridingly positive feedback on the technology from a survey conducted by the Navy of its divers involved in this evaluation, 100% of those involved believe that this product increased their diving capability and level of safety by providing clearer and crisper communications. Speaker 200:13:02They all said they would use the product on a mission if available and thought that it was superior to existing analog communication system. We continue to make good progress with our goal of creating the conditions for returning the engineering business to its pre COVID $10,000,000 revenue profile. To achieve this, we will need to increase the number of new defense programs that we are supplying proprietary sub assemblies into. We have now seen some new programs materializing and I'm excited about this. In the second quarter, we received a partial award of $771,000 for production units for a new sub assembly for an existing program of record, which is being upgraded due to obsolescence of some of the components. Speaker 200:14:12We had anticipated an initial award of $1,500,000 under this program, but due to the funding gaps mentioned earlier, we received a partial award and expect the remainder when funding becomes available. We are excited about this program of upgrade as there are many existing systems in the field that will need to be upgraded with a new part, which we have designed, and this will generate meaningful revenue on this program over time. We also received a new order for Thermite Mission Computers, which relates to a new Navy program. This is for an initial preproduction quantity of 8 systems for a contract value of $280,000 We expect the larger production orders for this program in early 2025. Finally, we also continue to perform quality business development activities, including working with our newly appointed business development focus group in the U. Speaker 200:15:36S. We can already see the promise of the success of this engagement. Let me now turn the call over to our interim CFO, Gail Jardine, to take you through our financials before I provide my closing remarks. Speaker 300:15:58Thank you, Anne Marie, and good morning, everyone. Let me take you through our Q2 2024 financial results, starting with revenue. In the Q2 of 2024, we recorded total revenue of $5,320,000 compared to $5,300,000 in the Q2 of 2023, an increase of 0.4%. The marine technology business, or products business, generated revenue of $3,520,000 compared to 3.5 $8,000,000 a 1.6 percent decrease from the Q2 of 2023. Our marine engineering business or services business generated revenue of $1,800,000 compared to $1,700,000 an increase of 4.7% from the Q2 of 2023. Speaker 300:16:55As discussed earlier, our total consolidated revenue increased in the 2nd quarter by 0.4%. Our engineering segment revenue increased in the 2nd quarter, and the product segment saw an increase in rentals, rental related support services and an increase in sales outside of the U. S. Region, including in our strategic market area of Asia, where outright sales increased by 15.9%. Sales from North America were down due to the reduction in the defense program funding for the reasons Anne Marie explained earlier. Speaker 300:17:32Moving on to gross profit and margin. In the Q2 of 2024, we generated gross profit of $3,700,000 compared to $3,600,000 in the Q2 of 2023. Consolidated gross margin was 70.2% versus 68.3 percent in the Q2 of last year. In our Marine Technology business, gross margin increased to 80 0.2% in the Q2 of 2024 compared to 75.3% in 2023, reflecting changes in the mix of sales, primarily due to the increase in rental and the associated support service sales, which have a higher gross margin. Our marine engineering business gross margin decreased to 50.7% in the Q2 of 20 24 versus 53.9 percent in the Q2 of 2023, again reflecting the mix of engineering projects during Total operating expenses for the Q2 of 2024 decreased to $2,400,000 compared to $2,800,000 in the Q2 of 2023, which is largely due to the reduction in our stock compensation charges in the period. Speaker 300:19:01Our selling, general and administrative costs in the Q2 of 2024 totaled $1,800,000 a decrease of 17.7 percent from $2,200,000 in the Q2 of 2023. As a percentage of revenue, our selling, general and administrative costs for the Q2 of 2024 were 34.7% compared to 42.3% in Q2 of 2023. The reduction is mainly due to a decrease in stock compensation charges. In accordance with our strategy, we continue to recalibrate our working capital towards business development and marketing activities. Accordingly, in our Q2, marketing expenses increased by approximately 52%. Speaker 300:19:53This included the fees relating to quarter of 2024 was $1,400,000 compared to $900,000 in the Q2 of 2023, an increase of 57.9 percent. Operating margin was 25.4% compared to 16.1% in the Q2 of 2023, primarily due to the increase in gross profit margin combined with the reduction in total operating expenses. Income before taxes in the Q2 of 2024 was $1,600,000 compared to $1,000,000 in the Q2 of 2023. Net income after taxes in the Q2 of 2024 was $1,400,000 or $0.13 per diluted share compared to $1,000,000 or $0.09 per diluted share in the Q2 of 2023. Moving now to our balance sheet. Speaker 300:21:05As of April 30, 2024, we had $23,700,000 in cash and cash equivalents on hand and no debt. This represents a decrease of $700,000 from October 31, 2023, where the comparable figure was $24,400,000 This is mostly due to the purchase of long lead time items into inventory. So you will see that line item has increased accordingly. Our working capital increased to $41,000,000 from $37,600,000 at October 31, 2023. Now I will turn the call back over to Anne Marie for closing remarks. Speaker 300:21:47Thank you. Speaker 200:21:49Thank you, Gail. I want to close by emphasizing that we continue to work to create stable long term shareholder value. I want to remind everyone that growth is a process and not an event. Think of it like a puzzle and we're putting the pieces together. In the meantime, we're running a profitable business. Speaker 200:22:15Our team is doing an outstanding job in maintaining superior margins and profits for our shareholders, while all the time seeking to grow sustainably without compromising our track record of a tightly run profitable business. In the 2024 fiscal year, there are a number of key management goals for our business to achieve with a focus on growth. We have a compelling calendar of prestigious business development activities in 20 24 with a focus on the defense applications. Some of our goals include continuing to seek to increase the number of programs that our Echoscope technology is embedded in, further prioritizing engage in the DABET ONTEPTET system customization and hardening program with the goal of securing the technologies adoption by the Special Forces community in early 2025, supporting the rollout and adoption of the DAVID Tebot system to the market, both in the defense and commercial space supporting the rollout and adoption of the digital audio communications solutions. We built the engineering business to its pre COVID $10,000,000 revenue profile and we're seeing traction with new programs which will assist in achieving this goal. Speaker 200:24:01Develop our pipeline of candidates under our M and A strategy with a goal of acquiring complementary value accretive technologies into our portfolio. We continue to believe in the growth prospects and strategy built around our disruptive technologies. By adopting this strategy, it pivots the revenue model of the marine technology business to a multi year and multiple sale model as we have started to see with a DABBID product line. Though it could take several years for these programs to mature, we continue to believe this is the best strategy for our businesses growth prospects. Therefore, we believe that our near term growth will be incremental but solid. Speaker 200:24:53To conclude, we would like to thank our shareholders for their continued support. We're now happy to answer your questions. Operator? Operator00:25:26Our first question is from Brian Kinstlinger with Alliance Global Partners. Please proceed. Speaker 400:25:33Great. Thanks for taking my questions. I got a laundry list. Anne Marie, 2 quarters ago you discussed the challenges in both offshore renewables and underwater construction markets that was leading to delays. Some of it was pricing challenges due to inflation. Speaker 400:25:48Can you update us as to the state of these markets and how the environment is the same or different today? Speaker 200:25:55Thank you, Brian, very much for that question. So as we saw in the Q2, we saw really increase in the utilization of our rental assets. And that's largely being driven by offshore renewables programs and projects actually and also underwater construction activities. So what we're seeing is increased demand for our rental solutions for underwater construction, some of which includes offshore renewables. Speaker 400:26:33Great. And then the work you did with the Francis Scott Key Bridge and the headlines of that disaster, how if at all have you been to use that to drive awareness or increased adoption of your technology? Speaker 200:26:47Well, that drove awareness, Brian. Also, I mean, it's also was a good reinforcement of the capability of our technology and the uniqueness of our technology and what it can deliver. So that was really a good marketing awareness campaign for the business globally. And we've seen tractions coming from that exposure that we've had. So all these things will take time to percolate into firm orders, but we certainly have had some new contacts from that event. Speaker 200:27:30And including also what I'd like to emphasize also, Brian, is that including some of the programs, the defense programs that we've been working on in the U. S, this is just reinforced really their finding and what they're doing and helping to galvanize outcomes on some of these programs. So all in all, really, really good piece of marketing for our business. Speaker 400:27:59Great. And then in terms of the DAB, some great news on the TUNEL program that you discussed. I'm curious if you see an inflection point in orders for either tethered or untethered systems in the next 12 to 18 months based on this progress you're making? Speaker 200:28:14Yes. So, certainly, let's take the tethered system, which as you know is in the market. It's on the approved Navy used items. And there what we are seeing is new commands putting in requests or requisitions for acquiring the technology. We know several commands are trying to get budget to do this. Speaker 200:28:40So but the barrier in this quarter and possibly the next quarter is really where we see defense programs budgets are really limited at the moment. But certainly, we could see strong interest in the DAVID technology. And more importantly, Brian, when we started, when we did the initial rule out of the DABID to the Navy, one of the key things we weren't sure of was how they would buy the technology. Would it be just a davit or would they buy the echoscope also? And I'm pleased to say that they definitely find the echoscope along with the David game changing. Speaker 200:29:26So that will be sold or purchased by them as a pair. So that is very exciting for our business because that is an established group room now. And to a large extent, the David Teva system is a passive seal now within the U. S. Navy because it's an approved Navy use item. Speaker 200:29:47What this business has to do is to continue providing training, working with the different commands, working with the Navy to heighten awareness in its community for the DABIT capability. And thereafter, I think, it will sell itself. So I'm excited about that for the debit Tebbit system. For the on Tebbit system, really there that work is ongoing. As you know, we have 8 systems fielded with both the U. Speaker 200:30:21S. Navy and the Foreign Navy, and they're working together to evaluate the system. And even though we have actually been affected by limited funding at the moment, the program continues to work at space. We continue with the hardening and turning over revisions to the product to the Navy. So although there is a gap in funding, it is not at all affecting the progress that we're making on these programs. Speaker 200:30:53So coming back, therefore, to the inflection point, I really think that we're seeing good and solid traction in the market for the DAS technology all around. And I think it will take time for people to adopt the technology, but we are getting closer and seeing that. The tunnel program that we did in the U. S, really, really important. We also, in the last quarter, as you know, sold our first debit system in South Korea. Speaker 200:31:27I think that they were very, very pleased. Also another very high profile project that they've used the technology on and they themselves are on the road to adoption. We have several major offshore service providers in Europe who are still going through their own internal process for the DABIT. So I feel very much that there is we're getting closer the recognition of what the technology is capable of. That's growing. Speaker 200:32:03And really, it's about now getting people over the line to start putting in their budgets for the technology. So I think that we'll probably see much more increased demand for the system coming from the U. S. Once the budgetary constraints are removed. And also, I am excited about the joint program that we have, both with the U. Speaker 200:32:31S. Navy and with the foreign Navy, because then I think that that is going very, very well and we certainly want to get the system in the hands of the special forces using it. They have big budgets and really, we're excited about that. Speaker 400:32:47Great. Now I think the natural follow-up to that, I heard you mentioned it may be 1 more quarter on the budget side. But if I'm not mistaken, the CR ended at the end of June. Have you begun to see a recovery yet slow, not a recovery at all yet on the budget side? Just maybe take us through on the marine and or engineering services, what's happened since the CR ended? Speaker 200:33:11No, I think it's really the appropriations now. And I think that what we're seeing on programs is that appropriations have not been made to their programs. So many programs are still only getting partial budget. I think the next point where we will see funding released is in July. That's my understanding. Speaker 200:33:33In any event for the programs we're working on, July is critical because there's going to be new tranche of fundings to various programs. So it's I think, Brian, it is this is not really unusual in an election year. There's all this political environment that's fraught. And so this is not a big surprise for business. However, as I said, I expect in July, there will be some funding being released. Speaker 200:34:07What I don't certainly have visibility of is the extent of this funding round for programs like the DAVID program, programs like for engineering business that we're waiting for a number of key orders. So I don't have visibility. But what we have consistently seen is a partial funding as opposed to full funding. Speaker 400:34:32Got it. Last question for me, then I'll get back in the queue. You mentioned the preproduction order for the thermite program, which is great to see. I know you've been hoping that thermite demand would start to pick up. You mentioned the production could begin in the Q1 of 2025, I think. Speaker 400:34:49Can you estimate the size of the opportunity for you on that production program? Speaker 200:34:55Well, the one that we where we've got a small initial evaluation order evaluation system order, my understanding is that potentially there'll be 200 units under the program for our purchase order. So we wait to see, but that's the number we are working towards. Speaker 400:35:17And can I look at the 8 units delivered in $250,000 as an ARPU or is that not accurate? Speaker 200:35:25No, that's accurate. That's accurate. Speaker 100:35:27Okay, great. Great. Speaker 400:35:28Thanks so much, Anne Marie. Speaker 200:35:30No, thank you. Bye. Operator00:35:40Our next question is from Fernando Canto with Private Investor. Please proceed. Speaker 500:35:46Hi, Ana Marie. Congratulations on a very good quarter. I just have a question. I see on the Q1 that the own bill receivables were $763,000 and they went up this quarter to $1,580,000 Is there any explanation for that, please? Speaker 200:36:08Did you say receivables? Speaker 500:36:10Yes, on bill receivables. On bill receivables. Speaker 200:36:13On bill receivables. Gaye, can you take that question for us, please? Speaker 300:36:18Sure. Can you hear me, Fernando? Speaker 200:36:21Yes. Yes, we can hear you again, by go. Speaker 300:36:24Yes. Basically, it went up from $1,600,000 to $1,600,000 from $900,000 and that reflects the increase in our accumulated projects expenses incurred on uncompleted contracts. So it's work that we have done. So we've invested a lot of time and materials and some projects that haven't yet built. So that's why they are on the balance sheet as contracts in progress or unbilled receivables. Speaker 500:36:49Right. That's possibly for your Q3 then. Speaker 200:36:56Yes. I think that just what we said, we saw an increase in our engineering projects in the second quarter. And in the Q1, it was really, really off plan. We're seeing that business coming back on plan. And as I mentioned in my Q1 earnings call, we expect a lot of the engineering businesses revenues to be back loaded and we're seeing that coming through. Speaker 500:37:28Right. All right. Well, thank you very much and congratulation again, Anne Marie. Speaker 200:37:33Thank you very much. Thank you, Fernandes. Thank you, Fernandes. Speaker 300:37:37Thank you. Operator00:37:38Our next question is from Andrew Scott with SLF. Please proceed. Speaker 600:37:46Hi, Anne Marie. Great quarter. I know you're probably a little bit frustrated with growth, but I just wanted to remind everybody that you're doing a great job in managing your business. I had a chance to calculate your ROA, your ROE, your return on shareholder equity. And I'd like to challenge everybody else to run the same numbers with other marine related companies. Speaker 600:38:10And you guys are at the top of your peer group. So great job in running a business. I heard some of the questions before, so a lot of the comments that I had have been answered. But you have a great balance sheet. You've got ingredients efficiency to grow the company through acquisitions. Speaker 600:38:31Are there any verticals, any markets that you're specifically looking at? But again, just great job in running the business, very exciting. Speaker 200:38:42Thank you very much, Andrew. We are also very, very thank you for that. I'm really excited about the business. And it is correct. I mean, it is I think also what was, for me, very, very positive in the quarter is that we saw challenges. Speaker 200:39:01It was a very, very challenging environment for defense programs, but the team was able to pivot and really make up revenues from other jurisdictions and geographies. And Asia is up by 15.6%. I'm really excited about that because that is a key market for us. So we've launched our digital audio communication system. And whilst that's not a big ticket item, the market is considerable for that technology. Speaker 200:39:39And we now know that Navy is moving forward with that product. I'm also excited because then this further diversification of our revenues and it also is a good entry point because it's the same customer base for the David. So when we're talking to our customers about digital audio and they buy into that technology, cheap and cheerful at the bottom end, I mean, that is really the entry point to get them to think about the damage. So I'm really excited about where we are with the business and, of course, deeply frustrated about the slowdown in government funding. But we're still all the programs that we have, the defense programs, they're moving forward. Speaker 200:40:27And I am really, really excited about the prospects for the business in the long term. Speaker 600:40:35Yes. And that's a big deal. That diversified revenue model, you're shifting away from your traditional and you're diversifying different countries in your revenue group. I think that's a really overlooked fact and I think that's really going to help your business growing going forward. Yes, I think the next 12 months are going to be very exciting for Coda. Speaker 600:40:57Again, great job in running the business. I know the margins went up, your profits went up. And while you're struggling to get the growth going, again, I heard you say before, it's a process, not an event. I think you're right, but you and your team are doing a great job in driving bigger numbers to the bottom line. So as a shareholder, we really appreciate that. Speaker 600:41:20Thank you. Speaker 200:41:20Thank you. Thank you very much, Andrew. Thank you. Speaker 600:41:24Got it. Great job, guys. Operator00:41:27Our next question is from William Bremer with Vanquish Capital Partners. Please proceed. Speaker 700:41:35Good morning. How are you Ann Marie? Speaker 200:41:37I'm very well, very well. How are you doing? Speaker 700:41:41Fantastic quarter given many variables that are really that you really can't control with the budgets. Going back to Brian's commentary on the thermite, if my math is correct, the $200,000,000 that would equate to about a $7,000,000 order, is that correct? Speaker 200:42:00Over time. Over time. Speaker 700:42:03Wow. That's fantastic to hear. Fantastic. Also, I wanted you to give us just a little history. You have been utilizing AI for quite some time. Speaker 700:42:16Can you give us a little more granularity in terms of how many of your products you've embedded AI technology to? And you've been such an early adopter in this technology going back, if I may be mistaken, probably at 4 or 5 years. Is that correct? Speaker 200:42:36Well, I think the first AI product was in where are we now, 2024. I think around 2019 actually was our first AI product actually where that was on our geophysical software range. And really what we've done there and we've really changed the market actually. And that product that we have is called SEDAT. And what it really does, I mean, when you go for an oil and gas installation and collecting site scan data, really at the pre stage or pre development stage, really what you're looking at at the sea bottom, you're saying what's on the seabed, how many boulders are there. Speaker 200:43:21Geophysicists can take quite a long time just tagging the boulders in the boulder field. And what we've done, we've absolutely used AI to automate that. And our Boulder detection product will do geophysicist will probably spend 4 days on something that we have down to 2 hours. So that's the leading product in the market actually, and we've then also pivoted now to our digital audio solution where we're using AI technology mainly on the in a sort of helium environment for speech correction of the diverse speech. So when you're in sort of a helium environment, your voice get all squeaky. Speaker 200:44:12So we're really using AI technology, been able to clean that up completely. Speaker 700:44:20Fantastic. Fantastic to hear. One thing I'd like you to consider and I know how busy your team is with all the different end markets that you are addressing, and I really appreciate the commentary that you just made. Would it be would you and your team be open to having an Investor Day, a Portfolio Management Day and Analyst Day, maybe down in Florida where you have a subsidiary, to showcase to the capital markets your underlying technology. I think that would help get the word out even better that for some of us that have been invested in this company for over 5 years to finally see to come to fruition may be a nice offering. Speaker 700:45:06Just something for you and the Speaker 200:45:08Great idea, Brian. Great, great idea. And we'll certainly look at that, but great idea. Speaker 700:45:15Thank you. But this is William. I appreciate it. Thank you, Ann Marie. Speaker 200:45:19Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:45:22At this time, this concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Anne Marie Yao for closing remarks. Speaker 200:45:32Thank you very much for your interest in CODA Octopus. Have a great day and thank you for joining our call today. Operator00:45:41Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. Thank you for joining us for CODA Octopus' conference call. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by