VersaBank Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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June 5, 2024

There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to VersaBank's 2nd Quarter Fiscal 20 24 Financial Results Conference Call. This morning Versa Bank issued a news release reporting its financial results for the Q2 ended April 30, 2024. That news release, along with the bank's financial statements, MD and A and supplemental financial information are available on the bank's website in the Investor Relations section as well as on SEDAR Plus and EDWAR. Please note that in addition to the telephone dial in, Versa Bank is webcasting this morning's conference call. The webcast is listen only.

Operator

If you are listening to the webcast but wish to ask question in the and A session following Mr. Taylor's presentation, please dial in into the conference line. The details of which are included in this morning's news release and on the bank's website. For those participating in today's call by telephone, the accompanying slide presentation is available on the bank's website. Also, today's call will be archived for replay both by telephone and by the Internet beginning approximately 1 hour following the completion of the call.

Operator

Details on how to access the replays are available in this morning's news release. Would like to remind our listeners that the statements about future events made on this call are forward looking in nature and are based on certain assumptions and analysis made by VersaBank Management. Actual results could differ materially from our expectations due to various material risks and uncertainties associated with VersaBank's businesses. Please refer to VersaBank's forward looking statement advisory in today's presentation. I would now like to turn the call over to David Taylor, President and Chief Executive Officer of Brisevant.

Operator

Please go ahead, Mr. Taylor.

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for today's call. With me today is our Chief Financial Officer, John Asma. Before I begin, I'd like to remind you that our financial results are reported and will be discussed in this call in our reporting of Canadian dollars. For those interested, we provide U. S.

Speaker 1

Dollar translations for most of our financial numbers in the standard investor presentation, which will be updated and available on our website shortly. Now on to the highlights. At risk of starting to sound repetitive on the calls, the 2nd quarter results once again showed the operating leverage in our highly efficient branchless business to business digital banking model as our loan portfolio continues to grow. 18% year over year growth in total assets generated 15% year over year growth in net income. And that combined with a continued focus on management of our fixed costs drove both a year over year and sequential improvement in the digital banking efficiency ratio to a record new 38% and a 2% year over year increase in average return on common equity to 12.4%.

Speaker 1

Notably, Q2 was a solid quarter for our point of sale receivable purchase program business, which expanded by a healthy 1% sequentially as HVAC home improvement sector, which continues to make up the largest component of our point of sale portfolio, continues to see robust consumer activity. That contributed to another record high for total assets of $4,400,000,000 another meaningful step towards our next milestone of $5,000,000,000 and the continued outsized positive impact on our efficiency, our profitability and our return on equity. Quarters 12 combined for a strong first half of twenty twenty four with a year over year growth in net income and EPS of 25% and 29%, respectively. Looking more closely at our Q2 numbers, I will note here that the second quarter is historically the softest quarter for the bank. This is something that hasn't been readily apparent in the last few years due to hyper growth at our point of sale portfolio.

Speaker 1

Due to the nature of the types of purchases our point of sale partners are financing, we historically see lower activity during the winter months. A milder than normal winter here in Canada and in particularly our most populous market in Ontario further dampened the number of winter related purchases. And in our cybersecurity service business, Q2 reflects the start of a fiscal year for many of its clients, in contrast to Q1, which due to the bank's fiscal year end being October, historically benefits from calendar year end spending by our customers. As was the case in Q1, Q2 also reflected our planned strategy to transition a component of our real estate portfolio from higher yielding, higher risk weighted loans to lower yielding, lower risk weighted CMHC insured loans. As we ramp up these activities, you'll see the percentage of CMHC loans increase quarter over quarter.

Speaker 1

There'll be a little more on this later. We are also seeing what appears to be some softness in the macro point of sale financing market due to elevated interest rate environment and softness in certain parts of the economy. This is the result of a combination of slower growth and origination by our partners, as well as higher than typical level of early repayments by our consumers. I'll provide more color on what remains a very positive outlook for our point of sale business in a few minutes. The second item I want to call out in Q2 is net interest margin, which to a large degree reflects the success of our focus on growing point of sale financing portfolio.

Speaker 1

That portfolio is lower risk weighted, has lower yielding loans than our real estate portfolio. Over the past 24 months, the proportion of our point of sale financing portfolio has expanded from 66% to now 78%. That said, Q2 net interest margins are below our near term expectations. On the lending side, we believe this is some there is still some room for expansion in our Canadian point of sale business. And the deposit side, we expect higher than normal broker spreads in our wealth management deposits to moderate.

Speaker 1

While we expect to benefit from continued expansion of our lower cost in the solvency deposit portfolio. The third item of note is that despite the very strong year over year growth in net income and EPS, Q2 profitability was dampened slightly by a number of transitory items that mask the underlying performance of your digital banking operations. A significant component of the 7% sequential decrease in net income reflects higher provisions for taxes and a modest increase in non interest expenses, primarily due to lower than typical expenses in the Q1 of fiscal 2024 at DRT Cyber. When we strip away this noise, pre tax profitability for our digital bank operations was actually up sequentially. And notably, non interest expenses in our digital banking operation was down 6% year over year and down 4% sequentially.

Speaker 1

I'd now like to turn the call over to John to review our financial results in detail. John?

Speaker 2

Thanks, David. Before I begin, I will remind you that our full financial statements and MD and A for the 2nd quarter and first half of the year are available on our website under the Investors section, as well as on SEDAR and EDGAR. And as David mentioned, all of the following numbers are reported in Canadian dollars as per our financial statements, unless otherwise noted. Starting with the balance sheet. Total assets at the end of the Q2 of fiscal 2024 grew 18 percent year over year and 2% sequentially to a new high of 4,400,000,000 dollars As David noted earlier, Q2 has historically the slowest quarter for growth due to seasonality on both the digital banking operations and cybersecurity services businesses.

Speaker 2

While we continue to experience some temporary dampening of our results due to our strategy to transition a portion of the real estate portfolio to CMHC insured mortgages, which will contribute to higher return on common equity. Cash and securities were $303,000,000 or 7% of total assets. Consistent at 7% in Q2 of last year and up slightly from 6% in Q1 of this year. Book value per share increased to a new high of $14.88 Our CET1 ratio increased to 11 point 6 3% and our leverage ratio was 8.55%, both remaining above our internal targets. Turning to the income statement.

Speaker 2

Total consolidated revenue increased 7% year over year, but decreased 1% sequentially to $28,500,000 The year over year increase was driven primarily by higher net interest income as our digital banking loan portfolio continues to grow, while sequential decrease was mainly due to seasonality, as well as the temporary dampening of revenue excuse me, due to transition of a portfolio of a portion of the real estate portfolio to CMHC insured loans. Consolidated net interest income non interest expenses were $12,200,000 down from $12,700,000 last year and up slightly from $12,000,000 for Q1 of this year, as management continues to focus on managing the fixed expenses line across the business. Consolidated net income for Q2 increased 15% year over year to $11,800,000 and decreased 12% sequentially. As David mentioned, notwithstanding this healthy year over year growth Q2 profitability was slightly dampened by a number of transitory items that masked positive sequential growth in the pre tax profitability for our digital banking operations. Consolidated earnings per share increased 18% year over year to $0.45 benefiting from a lower number of shares outstanding due to the buyback program we had in place during The loan growth grew to just over $4,000,000,000 at the end of Q2, driven once again by our point of sale receivable purchase program, which increased 23% year over year and 1% sequentially to 3,100,000,000 dollars Our point of sale portfolio represents 78% of our total loan portfolio at the end of Q2, up slightly from the end of Q1.

Speaker 2

Our real estate portfolio expanded 1% year over year and was flat sequentially at $828,000,000 as we transition to CMHC insured loans. As a reminder, our real estate portfolio is primarily mortgages and construction loans for real estate properties. We have very little exposure to commercial use properties. Turning to the income statement for digital banking operations. Net interest margins on loans that is excluding cash from securities was 2.52%.

Speaker 2

That was 47 basis points or 16% lower on a year over year basis and 11 basis points or 4% sequentially. Net interest margin overall, including the impact of cash, securities and other assets decreased 33 basis points year over year or 12% and decreased 3% or 3 basis points or 1% sequentially to 2.45%. As David discussed, Q2 net interest margin reflects the strong growth of the POS financing portfolio, which is comprised of low risk weighted, lower yielding, but higher ROCE assets than commercial real estate, as well as the transitory impact of the transition of the real estate loans to higher return opportunities. Cost of funds for Q2 was 4 0.21%, up 94 basis points year over year and up 22 basis points sequentially. Cost of funds was again somewhat elevated in Q2 due to the raised rates for term deposits.

Speaker 2

We continue to expect to increasingly benefit from the continued expansion of our insolvency professional deposits. As solvency activity in Canada continues to steadily increase. Our provisions for credit losses or PCLs in Q2 remain negligible at 0 at 0% of average loans compared to 0.03 last year and with a quarterly or a 12 quarter average of 0.01%. I'll now briefly turn to DRTC. On a standalone basis, Digital Boundaries Group Q2 revenue increased 8% year over year to 2,800,000 dollars and gross profit increased 5% to $2,000,000 both due to higher service engagements.

Speaker 2

Sequentially, both were down reflecting the seasonality in the business as our fiscal Q2 coincides with the start of many customers' fiscal years, during which they are often planning and ramping stages of their budgets, projects and deliverables. DBG remained profitable within DRTC. DRTC's net loss of 162,000 dollars in Q2 of this year compares with a net income of $433,000 last year, with the difference mainly due to higher expenses and higher people costs to support past and expected expansions in business activity. The decrease from net income of $435,000 in Q1 of this year was primarily due to some positive compensation adjustments in the comparable quarter. I'd like to turn the call back to David for some closing remarks.

Speaker 3

David?

Speaker 1

Thanks, John. The outlook for strong near and long term growth in VersaBank remains very favorable. We expect improved sequential growth in our point of sale financing portfolio with the benefit of seasonally higher summer sales as well as a ramp up in our CMHC insured finance facilities in our real estate portfolio in the 3rd and 4th quarters. As of April 30th, we had commitments of nearly 440,000,000 expect to continue to steadily grow. Notably, only a small amount of these commitments has yet been drawn down actually by our loan partners, meaning that we expect to begin to see the growth in this portfolio starting industry sees the impact of sustained elevated interest rates and some softness in the economy, the advantage of our branchless business to business digital banking model really comes into focus.

Speaker 1

For several quarters now, you have heard me give the caveat that any comments around our short term growth potential of our point of sale business with economic impact. We may be seeing some of that now. While this may slightly delay reaching our next total asset milestone of $5,000,000,000 to Q1 of next year, it doesn't impact the resulting operating leverage or the benefit to the return on common equity as we expand our portfolio. On the deposit side, insolvency deposits grew sequentially for the 4th consecutive quarter as Canadian Consumer and Small Business and Solvency continues to increase. According to Statistics Canada and the solvency in Canada in April of this year were up 24% from April last year.

Speaker 1

Consumer insolvencies were up 23%, while business insolvencies were up more than 60%. Accordingly, we are continuing to see the number of accounts in our insolvency deposits increase from an already record high levels by 18% year over year and 4% sequentially. As a reminder, these accounts are opened prior to the funds being deposited. So they are very solid leading indicator, our future expansion of our deposit base. As we continue to benefit from the operating leverage from growth in Canada, we look forward to a decision from the U.

Speaker 1

S. Regulator authorities with respect to our proposed acquisition of a U. S. Bank. A favorable decision will be transformational, enabling us to drive our assets to multiples of growth from Canada.

Speaker 1

Hello and then fully capitalize on the operating leverage of our branchless B2B digital banking model. I'm pleased to report that I do not have an update on the potential timing of a decision from a U. S. Regulator. That's because based on the information we have to date, we continue to anticipate a decision before the end of this month.

Speaker 1

That said, the timeline remains at the discretion of the regulators and we respect their prerogative to adjust as necessary for the integrity of the process. With that, I'd like to open up the call for questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Your first question comes from the line of David Fister with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Hey, good morning everybody.

Speaker 1

Good morning, David.

Speaker 3

I just wanted to start out on the organic growth side. You talked about the softness in Canada, some of the risks to achieving that $5,000,000,000 asset level this year, but you were also pretty bullish on partner additions in Canada, expansion in the U. S. The pipeline is healthy. I'm just curious, how do you think about the organic growth trajectory within that point of sale business, the pipeline of partner additions in both Canada and the U.

Speaker 3

S? And then are you looking to expand products? I know HVAC has kind of been a key driver, but is there opportunity to expand the product set to potentially help accelerate growth? Just kind of curious your thoughts on that side.

Speaker 1

Well, first of all, in Canada, there tends to be a dampening effect of the winter months on consumer purchases and even in the HVAC projects that people undertake. So this half year we saw the impact of that. In previous years, we've had such rapid growth that sort of overwhelmed the tendency of Canadians not to get on to car lots and entertain new purchases, hot tubs and barbecues and such. So for the second half of the year, I do expect to see a resurgence in the consumer purchases. And we're already seeing that in May.

Speaker 1

It's up a fair amount from April. So that's just sort of a typical Canadian thing. The other thing about the Canadian consumer is, according to the stats people, they tend to have some savings. So they tend to be a little more enthusiastic about buying in what might be seen as recessionary times and otherwise. So, for the half year coming, I see a bit of a resurgence, it would be a better half than the last half.

Speaker 1

Now with respect to new products, yes, indeed, we are having a look with some new partners that have some innovative point of sale type financing products, really cool ones. I won't talk about exactly what they are now, but really cool, ideally suited for our banks model. So we're looking at that going forward too in Canada. And in the States, as I was saying, we're hopeful the regulator comes to a decision by the end of this month. But if not, you know, it's there's a fair amount moving factors in the United States now.

Speaker 1

I just saw a recent report from the Fed about large, huge quantity of large of bad loans in the portfolio. So I hope to come to a positive conclusion by the end of this month. And that of course allows us to bring our product to United States for everything. There's tremendous demand for it.

Speaker 3

Okay. That's great. And then you did touch on some of the softness in the labor market in Canada and some of the softness there. I'm curious, obviously, your credit's phenomenal, right? But I'm curious about how has credit of the underlying receivables for your partner been?

Speaker 3

Has there been any change there? And how are the retailers, your partners doing just given some of the softness that you talked about? Are you having any issues from the health of their balance sheets just as the consumer maybe weakening a little bit?

Speaker 1

Yes. Well, yes, we definitely are seeing that. Our partners are experiencing higher than they have in the past of defaults. And it's in various sectors, retail purchases slowed down, which translates through to us to less volume. And it also has another sort of ironic impact on us that is sort of odd, an odd characteristic of our bank versus all the other banks.

Speaker 1

When our partners experience more defaults, given the way we structure the arrangement, that means, we put the defaulted loans back to them more rapidly than we would otherwise. So it reduces the net increase in the portfolio because defaults to us mean repayments as we're repaid as loan defaults. So we've experienced higher than average repayments in this last half than we would otherwise because of the higher than average defaults in our partners portfolios. So that sort of illustrates how our model is different than other banks. Other banks presently are whining about credit issues and they're putting up larger provisions as they should for the credit losses.

Speaker 1

And we don't because we have our partners cash standing guard against the loss for us. But that does mean more rapid repayments as a subsequent default, we debit their account and see a reduction in portfolio. So that had an impact on the growth in Q2 also.

Speaker 3

Okay. All right. That's helpful. And then maybe last one, just could you touch on the funding side? I'm curious what you're seeing there.

Speaker 3

You talked about some of the tailwinds on the trustee side, which is great. But funding costs are continuing to rise. I'm curious, where do you think we are there? Are you seeing things starting to stabilize? Just kind of curious how you think about funding your growth trajectory looking forward and ultimately the impact on the margin?

Speaker 1

Well, I hate to use the word kind of great with respect to insolvencies because obviously that means that a lot of poor folks are 60% increase in small business insolvencies and 20 odd percent increase in consumers. Not good for this for the economy, but it's very good for our deposit growth. That's it. So I was saying it earlier, it's a leading indicator. The more accounts we open, the more insolvency there are, the greater that portfolio of deposits gross.

Speaker 1

It's going to record levels now, But I see that continuing on for the next year or 2 because there's a fair lag effect. The accounts are opened and then they fill up with the proceeds of the liquidation of the estates. They used to take us about a year and a half, 2 years. So we're starting to see the beginning of it. And I would expect the insolvency deposits to peak out around CAD1 1,000,000,000 over the course of next 8, 9, 12 months.

Speaker 1

It's sort of getting back to normal levels. Sad times for Canadians, but we designed this deposit business as a counterbalance to recessionary times for our bank. Makes sense. Thanks everybody.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Mike Ryszynov with KBW Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning. David, I want to ask you a quick question about the mortgage renewal cycle, not in terms of the direct impact, obviously, but just the indirect impact. If we do have higher rates for longer or just maybe call the rates settling at a higher level, even if the Bank of Canada starts a cutting cycle, there's no necessary guarantee that mortgage renewals won't be painful for a lot of borrowers. So in the context of a deleveraging cycle potentially in Canada on the consumer side, what are your thoughts on how that could impact the demand for POS for you? Obviously, it's been a very, very resilient book.

Speaker 4

Your growth has been phenomenal there, a little bit of a slowdown this quarter. But if we do get this dynamic where Canadians are just not borrowing as much, what's the downside on your view with respect to how much you could grow POS?

Speaker 1

Well, definitely have a damping effect. Last year, we grew POS by about 30%. At the beginning of this year, I was hoping for around 20. I'd say it'd be a little less than that even. So, yeah, those factors do dampen POS purchases, anecdotally, you're not going to the motorcycle shop to buy a motorbike if you just had to renew your mortgage at twice the rate than it was before.

Speaker 1

So it definitely has a dampening effect. But we still have the potential to grow in the order of around 15% year over year. Mind you, that's half of last year.

Speaker 4

That's helpful. And then maybe just a quick one, a numbers question on the margin, bit of compression, I think 5 straight quarters now, you've seen it come down quite a bit here. What is your and apologies if I missed it in your prepared remarks, but any color you can provide on margin trajectory just in light of what you're seeing on the deposit side, the gross yields? Are you looking at some sort of level stability in the coming quarters? Or is there upside and more downside?

Speaker 4

What are your thoughts on the NIM?

Speaker 1

Well, there's a number of factors, some expanding margins, some contracting the margin. The CMHC mortgage portfolio serves to contract our margin and that we're probably averaging only 175 basis points on our CMHC construction mortgages. These are the conventional construction that we'd be say 300 basis points. So the faster we book CMHC mortgages, the more compression that we'll see. Mind you, concern there's no capital used in the CMHC loan.

Speaker 1

The return equity figure does well with this over the addition of CMHCs, but that serves to compress our margin. And then as we move more into the higher the percentage of point of sale is of our total lending portfolio that serves to compress our margin too. Now on the other side, the inverted yield curve that we've suffered with for quite a few years on Canada, they may be coming that might you may have just wishful thinking here, but that might be dissipating a little bit. You may say the yield curve flattening out a little bit. And we tend to fund in the short end of the yield curve and our loans tend to have a duration on the longer end.

Speaker 1

So we have pinched on that a little. So if there's a God over there that looks after bankers, maybe that yield curveball sometime in the future starts sloping upward again and that helps. So you have those two factors that compress the margin, which are actually pretty good because the more CMHCs we book, even though the margin is down, that's a wonderful low risk new source of net interest income for the bank and more POS is better too. But the if the yield curve would straighten out head up as it traditionally does, it'd be positive for us. That's very helpful.

Speaker 1

Thanks for your insights. You're very welcome.

Operator

Thank you. And there are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn it back to Mr. David Taylor for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Well, I'd like to thank everybody for joining us today and I look forward to speaking to you at a time of our Q3. Today, I'm actually very lucky and blessed. I'm sitting here in New York City speaking to you from the New York Athletic Club, looking forward to meeting some potential investors here in this fabulous city. It's a beautiful day looking out over Central Park. So I hope you all have a wonderful day.

Speaker 1

And if you have any further questions you want to ask me, you could drop me an email. I'm always happy to talk to my investors and potential investors. And thank you again.

Operator

Thanks, presenters. So ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect.

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