NASDAQ:MBWM Mercantile Bank Q2 2024 Earnings Report $40.68 +0.37 (+0.92%) Closing price 04/17/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$40.67 -0.01 (-0.01%) As of 04/17/2025 04:05 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Mercantile Bank EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.17Consensus EPS $1.17Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPS$1.27Mercantile Bank Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$88.56 millionExpected Revenue$56.23 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$32.33 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AMercantile Bank Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date7/16/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, July 16, 2024Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsMercantile Bank's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, April 22, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Mercantile Bank Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 16, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to the Mercantile Bancorporation 2024 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Nicole Klatter, First Vice President, Chief Marketing Officer of Mercantile Bank. Operator00:00:30Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:32Good morning and thank you for joining us. Today, we will cover the company's financial results for the Q2 of 2024. The team members joining me this morning include Ray Reitzma, President and Chief Executive Officer as well as Chuck Christmas, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Our agenda will begin with prepared remarks by both Ray and Chuck and will include references to our presentation covering this quarter's results. You can access a copy of the presentation as well as the press release sent earlier today by visiting mercbank.com. Speaker 100:01:09After our prepared remarks, we will then open the call to your questions. Before we begin, it is my responsibility to inform you that this call may involve certain forward looking statements such as projections of revenue, earnings and capital structure as well as statements on the plans and objectives of the company's business. The company's actual results could differ materially from any forward looking statements made today due to factors described in the company's latest Securities and Exchange Commission's filings. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward looking statements made during the call. That is all I have for you today. Speaker 100:01:54I will now turn the meeting over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Ray Reitzma. Ray? Speaker 200:02:01Thank you, Nicole. My comments will focus on our loan to deposit ratio, deposit growth, loan growth, asset quality and non interest income. Over the last 3 years, commercial loan growth and mortgage loan growth has been strong. And while our deposit growth has been solid, it has not kept pace with total loan growth. As a result, the bank's loan deposit ratio increased to 110% at year end 2023 compared to 85% at year end 2021 when deposits were elevated because of the PPP program and the resulting excess liquidity in the system. Speaker 200:02:37We believe the bank's elevated loan to deposit ratio is a contributing factor to our below peer valuation despite a strong return profile. The following comments summarize the strategies we believe will contribute to further reductions in our loan to deposit ratio. We have undertaken a 3 pronged approach to building our deposit base with the objective of reducing the loan to deposit ratio into the mid-ninety percent range over time. First, we plan to grow the public and municipal in the public and municipal realm through strategic personnel additions with existing relationships in this space. 2nd, placing additional focus on small business banking through more efficient underwriting and obtaining the full relationship that characterizes this type of business. Speaker 200:03:233rd, growing the retail customer focus based on total balances as opposed to activity hurdles such as transactions and card usage. These efforts led to an increase in local deposits in the first half of twenty twenty four of approximately $260,000,000 a 14% annualized growth rate. Local deposits grew $153,000,000 in the 2nd quarter alone. Mortgage loans on the balance sheet have grown substantially over the past few years as borrowers have opted for ARMs rather than fixed rates in the increasing rate environment. We have successfully executed changes within our portfolio mortgage programs, resulting in a greater portion of our mortgage production 76% increase in mortgage banking income during the 1st 6 months of 2024 compared to the respective 2023 period and a nominal increase in mortgage loans on our balance sheet of $12,000,000 year to date. Speaker 200:04:27Commercial loan growth in the first half of twenty twenty four was $118,000,000 or 7% annualized. The current pipeline stands near the trend line established over the last three quarters, including commitments to fund commercial construction loans of $320,000,000 and residential construction loans of $37,000,000 Customer reductions and loan balances from excess cash flow or asset sales of $76,000,000 also impacted our commercial loan totals. Taking these factors into account, we do not expect to see a deceleration in commercial loan growth in the immediate future. Taken together, these strategies produced a loan to deposit ratio of 107% as of June 30, 2024, compared to 110% at year end 2023 as deposit growth was approximately double total loan growth year to date. This ratio reduces to 102% when giving effect to our sweep account balances. Speaker 200:05:27During this period, the ratio of wholesale funds to total funds decreased from 13.8% to 12.1%, another demonstration of the strengthening of the funding side of the balance sheet. Asset quality remains very strong as non performing assets sold $9,100,000 atquarterend or 16 basis points of total assets consisting of 25% residential real estate and 75% non real estate commercial loans. There is no commercial real estate representation among the non performing assets. Past due loans in dollars represent 14 basis points of total loans and there is no outstanding ORE. Non owner occupied office exposure is $271,000,000 or 6 percent of total loans. Speaker 200:06:18The borrowers in this asset class have performed well and continued to be monitored closely. We remain vigilant in our underwriting standards and monitoring to identify any deterioration within our portfolio. Our lenders are the first line of observation and defense to recognize areas of emerging risk. Our risk rating model is robust with a continued emphasis on borrower current borrower cash flow providing prompt sensitivity to any emerging challenges within our borrowers' finances. That said, our customers continue to report strong results to date and have not begun to experience the impacts of a potential recessionary environment in any systemic fashion. Speaker 200:06:59Total non interest income grew 40% during the first half of twenty twenty four compared to the first half of twenty twenty three, with growth reported in virtually every category. Mortgage banking income grew 76% based on the strategies outlined earlier and the resulting ability to sell a greater portion of the originations on the secondary market. Income from interest rate swaps grew 18% as we met our customers' desire for fixed rate financing, principally in the CRE market. Service charges on accounts grew 58%, reflecting higher activity levels and customer growth and less earnings credit offset to charges based on reduced balances and transaction accounts. Payroll services grew by 20% as our offerings continue to build traction in the marketplace. Speaker 200:07:47Finally, credit and debit card income grew 4% when adjusted for the receipt of a one time payment from Visa associated with our contract renewal in the Q2 of 2023. That concludes my comments. I will now turn the call over to Chuck. Speaker 300:08:04Thanks, Ray. Good morning to everybody. This morning, we announced net income $18,800,000 or $1.17 per diluted share for the Q2 of 2024 compared with net income of $20,400,000 or $1.27 per diluted share for the respective prior year period. Net income during the 1st 6 months of 2024 totaled $40,300,000 or $2.50 per diluted share compared to $41,300,000 or $2.58 per diluted share during the 1st 6 months of 2023. While non interest income increased during both periods, net income was negatively impacted by higher provisions for credit losses and increased non interest expenses. Speaker 300:08:51Net interest income was relatively similar. Interest income on loans increased during the second quarter and 1st 6 months of 2024 compared to the prior year period, reflecting the increased interest rate environment and solid growth in commercial and residential mortgage loans. Our loan yield during the Q2 of 2024 was 45 basis points higher than the Q2 of 2023 with average loans up about 9% over the respective periods. The improved loan yield largely reflects the combined impact of an aggregate 75 basis point increase in the federal funds rate during the period of March through July of 2023 and over 2 thirds of our commercial loans having a floating rate. Interest income on securities also increased during the 2024 periods compared to the prior year periods, reflecting growth in the securities portfolio and the higher interest rate environment. Speaker 300:09:49Interest income on interest earning deposits, a vast majority of which is comprised of funds on deposit with the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago also increased during the 2024 periods compared to the prior year periods, reflecting a higher average balance and an increased yield. In total, interest income was $13,000,000 $29,200,000 higher during the Q2 and 1st 6 months of 2024 respectively compared to the prior year periods. We recorded increased interest expense on deposits in our sweep account product during the Q2 and 1st 6 months of 2024 compared to the prior year periods, reflecting the increased interest rate environment, money market and time deposit growth, transfers of deposits from no or low costing deposit products to higher costing deposit products and enhance competition for deposits. Our cost of deposits during the Q2 of 2024 was 106 basis points higher than the Q2 of 2023 with average deposits up almost 13% over the respective periods. Interest expense on the Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis advances also increased during the 2024 periods compared to the prior year period, generally reflecting the higher interest rate environment as well as a higher average advanced portfolio balance in the year to date comparison. Speaker 300:11:19Interest expense on other borrowed funds increased during the 2024 periods compared to the prior year periods, primarily reflecting the higher interest costs of our trust preferred securities. In total, interest expense was $13,400,000 $30,700,000 higher during the Q2 and 1st 6 months of 2024 respectively compared to the prior year periods. Net interest income declined $500,000 $1,500,000 during the Q2 and 1st 6 months of 2024 respectively compared to the prior year time periods. Our net interest margin declined 42 basis points during the Q2 of 2024 compared to the Q2 of 20 23. Although our yield on earning assets increased 46 basis points during that time period, our cost of funds was up 88 basis points. Speaker 300:12:12While we experienced rapid growth in earning asset yield during the period of March of 2022 through July of 2020 3 when the FOMC raised the federal funds rate by 5 25 basis points, meaningful increases in our cost of funds did not begin to materialize until the latter part of 2022 when competition for deposit base balances increased, deposit rates and depositors began to move funds from no and lower costing deposit types to higher costing deposit products. Our net interest margin peaked during the latter part of 2022 and early stages of 2023. Impact on our net interest margin more recently is our strategic initiative to lower the loaner deposit ratio, which generally entails deposit growth exceeding loan growth and using the additional monies to purchase securities. A large portion of the deposit growth is in the higher costing money market and time deposit products, while the purchase securities provide a lower yield than loan products. We recorded a provision expense of $3,500,000 $4,800,000 during the Q2 and 1st 6 months of 2024 respectively. Speaker 300:13:26The Q2 2024 provision expense primarily reflects a specific allocation for a non performing, non real estate related commercial loan relationship and allocations necessitated by net loan growth. The 1st 6 months expense also includes a specific allocation recorded during the Q1 of 2024 for a different non performing, non real estate related commercial loan relationship. Non interest expenses were 1 point $300,000 higher during the Q2 and 1st 6 months of 2024 respectively compared to the prior year time periods. The increases largely reflect higher salary and benefit costs including annual merit pay increases, market adjustments, higher residential mortgage lender commissions, lower residential mortgage loan deferred salary costs and increased medical insurance costs. Higher data processing costs also comprise a notable portion of the increased non interest expense level, primarily reflecting higher transaction volumes and software support costs along with the introduction of new cash management products and services. Speaker 300:14:41We remain in a strong and well capitalized regulatory capital position. Our bank's total risk based capital ratio was 13.9% at the end of the Q2, slightly over $200,000,000 above the minimum threshold to be categorized as well capitalized. We did not repurchase shares during the Q2 of 2024. We have $6,800,000 available in our current repurchase plan. While net unrealized gains and losses in our investment portfolio are excluded from regulatory capital calculations, we do regularly compute our regulatory capital ratios assuming the calculations did include that adjustment. Speaker 300:15:19While our regulatory capital ratios were negatively impacted by the pro form a calculations, our capital position remains strong. As of June 30, our Tier 1 leverage capital ratio declines from 12.2% to 11.3% and our total risk based capital ratio declines from 13.9% to 12.9%. Our excess capital as measured by the total risk based capital ratio is also negatively impacted. However, it's still a strong 100 and $150,000,000 over the minimum regulatory amount to be categorized as well capitalized. On Slide 22 of the presentation, share our latest assumptions on the interest rate environment and key performance metrics for the remainder of 2024 with the caveat that market conditions remain volatile making forecasting difficult. Speaker 300:16:10This forecast is predicated on the federal funds rate being lowered by 25 basis points effective October 1. We continue to project loan growth in the range of 4% to 6%. We are forecasting our net interest margin to be in a range of 3.50% to 3.60% during both the 3rd and 4th quarters. We expect increased interest costs from continued growth in higher costing money market and time deposits and the renewal of maturing time deposits open in lower interest rate environments to be generally mitigated by the renewal replacement of maturing fixed rate commercial loans and investments that were made and obtained in considerably lower interest rate environments. We expect non interest income and non interest expense to be relatively stable during the remainder of 2024. Speaker 300:17:02In closing, we are very pleased with our 2024 operating results and financial condition and believe we remain well positioned to continue to successfully navigate through the myriad of challenges faced by all financial institutions. Those are my prepared remarks. I'll now turn the call back over to Ray. Speaker 200:17:20Thank you, Chuck. That concludes the prepared remarks from management. We will now move into the Q and A portion of the call. Operator00:17:29We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Brendan Nosal with Hovde Group. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:17:58Hey, good morning, Ryan. How are you guys today? Speaker 200:18:01Doing well. Speaker 400:18:04Maybe just starting off on deposit competition and what you folks are seeing there. I mean, it feels like the mix shift out of non interest bearing has slowed pretty materially and the pace of increase in deposit pricing has as well. So just kind of curious where the competitive environment stands and how much further bleed in funding costs you might see as the year progresses? Speaker 300:18:26Yes, Brad, it's a good question. This is Chuck. I would agree with your comments that transfers from the lower low cost in deposit products has definitely slowed from certainly from where it was in the back half of last year and the beginning of this year. We still see some of that, but certainly not just what we have before. One of the things that we haven't seen that we typically do, it kind of goes back to in January of each year, we lose quite a bit of non interest bearing deposits as our commercial customers pay bonuses, taxes and partnership distributions. Speaker 300:19:00And then we generally see that ramp back up and kind of go through the same cycle again. We're not seeing the growth in non interest bearing accounts that we typically would. But what we are seeing is those businesses growing their money market and in some cases time deposits. So I think with the rates being higher than obviously what they have been over the last few years, I think our commercial customers are being more savvy and paying more attention to cash management. And so I think we so our margin or net interest income is impacted by them putting money into those higher money market accounts versus the non interest bearing accounts. Speaker 300:19:40I would say that interest deposit rates in our markets have remained relatively stable for the last few months, which obviously is a good thing. I think we're still feeling that the rates are relatively high in total, but we're not seeing them increase anymore. Speaker 400:20:01Got it. All right. That's helpful color, Chuck. Thank you. Maybe one more for me before I step back. Speaker 400:20:07Just on that goal to get the loan to deposit ratio into the mid-90s over time. I know that there's a lot of factors environmentally that can kind of help or hurt that, but just kind of curious, how you think about a timeframe to get towards that target? Speaker 200:20:24Because of the way you opened your question, we don't think about it with a timeframe. You're correct. There are so many variables. And our goal in general is to continue to grow the loan portfolio at a pace that our markets and customers demand of us and outgrow that with deposits at the same time. And to do that without going above market for our deposit rates. Speaker 200:20:53So those are the factors that will determine how quickly we can bring it down. And for the 1st 6 months of the year, we've been able to grow our loan book at about 7%, deposit book at about twice that at 14%. And so that's an indication of what the last 6 months environment yielded. We don't expect that to change materially, but as we've seen in the financial markets, things do change and they will. So we'll have to adjust as that happens. Speaker 400:21:27Jeff, fair enough. Fair enough. All right. Thanks for taking the questions. Speaker 300:21:30You bet. Operator00:21:35Next question comes from Daniel Tamayo with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:21:41Hey, thanks guys. Good morning. Just digging into credit a little bit, it's obviously been a strength for you guys and remain so. But just curious if you're able to give us any information on the commercial relationship that drove the increase in reserves in the quarter? Speaker 200:21:59Well, it was an outlier. It was non real estate related, a C and I business that basically ran into management issues and that caused the credit issue. Doesn't look like it relates to anything systemic in the marketplace, the economy or our portfolio. Speaker 500:22:26Okay. And what's taken in terms of reserves on that loan and where does that stand in terms of kind of loan due I'm sorry, in terms of coverage? Speaker 200:22:40And we reserved it aggressively and fully. So wouldn't expect to have further reserve related to that credit. Speaker 500:22:52Okay, great. And then I guess, the classified and criticized trends, anything noteworthy and may not be fully up to speed on those yet, but just curious from what you guys know now like what you can expect when the reg data comes up? Speaker 200:23:14Well, the mix of classified versus not is pretty stable. Qualitatively within the more risky end of that spectrum, We have a number of exit credits that are working out as anticipated. The rehab credits in that group are healing as anticipated. So from where we sit, we don't expect surprises within that group. Speaker 500:23:49Okay. And then just lastly on credit, the provision and net charge offs, I mean is there anything different that we should think about in terms of forecasting that loss provision number going forward or outside of the unusual number in the Q2? Do you still feel like that's relatively stable? Speaker 300:24:12Yes, Dan, this is Chuck. I think we generally don't give guidance on provision. I know all the firms have their own different thoughts on the economy. And certainly, we can see, especially as a commercial lender with some sizable credits, occasionally we do have some one offs, which hopefully will go the other way as we continue our collection efforts, namely on the 2 credits that I mentioned in my prepared remarks. So I would say if you look at a combination of the 1st and second quarter, kind of average them out is in general what our expectations would be as we sit here today. Speaker 200:24:47Okay, terrific. Well, thanks for all the Speaker 500:24:49color guys. I appreciate it. I'll step back. Speaker 300:24:51Welcome, Nate. You bet. Operator00:24:55The next question comes from Nathan Race with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:25:01Yes. Hi, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just going back to Chuck's comments previously in terms of the deposit and pricing environment being relatively stable of late. Speaker 600:25:11Just curious kind of how the trend in the margin unfolded over the course of Q2? Was it relatively stable or kind of steady compression each month between April June? Speaker 300:25:23Yes. I would say it was a downward trend throughout the quarter. I think what we're seeing is that our deposits are re pricing timing events that I mentioned. So but I think that we're getting close to the point here and you can see that in my guidance is we're getting close to a point of equilibrium. The CD is repricing today, while they're repricing, they're not re pricing to the magnitude that they were certainly 12 months ago, even 6 months ago. Speaker 300:26:00And then again, we continue to have the re price on the asset side as well. So we think on an overall basis with it looks like the Fed is going to start lowering rates on a measured basis. We feel good about our balance sheet in that environment. So taking all that together, we think when we get here into the 3rd Q4, is that our margin will be relatively stable at the levels that we projected. Speaker 600:26:26Got it. Very helpful. And then just speaking of repricing on the right side of the balance sheet, Chuck, can you remind us just in terms of what amount of non maturity deposits can reprice kind of commensurate with each cut? Speaker 300:26:42Yes. I think you're kind of touching on something that is going to be a very interesting. I think when we're all looking at trying to forecast our net interest margins, as they call them the deposit betas are of course the biggest objective number that we put into our models, we put into our forecast. And I think now that will get it will become very interesting if the Fed does in fact start lowering interest rates. As we see how the competition reacts, clearly you've heard from our comments today, the loan to deposit ratio strategy is very important to us. Speaker 300:27:17So that's going to come into the mix as well. I think we definitely have seen some increases in time deposits, but the biggest level of increases by far are the money market rates. Those are the ones that have been priced most aggressively, not just by us, but in the marketplace as well. So it's our expectation. It's, I guess, our hope that when the Fed does start lowering interest rates is that we'll see some meaningful declines in the rates being offered on that product within the marketplace as well. Speaker 600:27:50Okay. Great. Very helpful. And then if I could just ask one more on kind of expenses and hiring efforts. Just curious if the updated expense guide for the Q4 contemplates any hires that you guys are planning to make to maybe accelerate some progress on the deposit gathering front? Speaker 300:28:08Yes. Our forecast definitely reflects our expectations in our workforce, whether we are hiring additional people or trying to fill existing spots right now. We're always looking for people on all facets of our company on the sales side, whether it be commercial lenders and or primarily deposit gatherers. I would say that we've done some very meaningful hires in the past 12 to 18 months on the deposit side and we would definitely like to add to that. And that some is somewhat budgeted and put into our forecast. Speaker 300:28:45But we are a growing company. We continue to expect to grow and that will be will require increases in our workforce. But one of the things that we definitely have seen over the last couple of years is improvements in our efficiencies, especially with our data analytics team. While we have grown as a company over the last couple of years, as you look at our FTEs, except for our summer intern program that we had that throws those numbers off a little bit from time and again, you can see that our FTEs have been very stable. And that really is a reflection of us becoming more efficient internally. Speaker 300:29:22We're taking a look at all of our processes. We're getting smarter about what we're doing, but also the data analytics, the function has also had a nice impact on us helping our efficiency there as well. Speaker 600:29:37Okay, great. I appreciate all the color. Thank you. Speaker 300:29:42Certainly. Operator00:29:50The next question comes from Damon DelMonte with KBW. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:29:55Hey, good morning guys. Hope you're both doing well and thanks for taking my questions here. First one, just wanted to touch a little bit on loan growth. It sounds like the outlook remains pretty solid for you guys. Can you just talk a little bit about what areas of your footprint are providing the best opportunities and kind of within those opportunities, what segments of the economy are providing Speaker 300:30:19good credits for you guys? Speaker 200:30:23Hey Damon, this is Ray. The loan opportunities have been pretty well dispersed and not concentrated in any particular part of our geography. Of course, we have some concentration here in Grand Rapids because of the concentration of existing assets that we have here. But in terms of new opportunities, they're spread around the state. And our search as we grow our commercial book, we're looking for good companies and good management teams. Speaker 200:30:54And what industry they're in is less important to us. We just absolutely want to find good management teams that will continue to uphold our credit quality. So we haven't focused in any particular areas of the economy. It's more company specifics driven. Speaker 700:31:14Got you. Okay. And then kind of switching to the loan yields. Chuck, I think they were kind of flat this quarter, quarter over quarter. Is that a function of what you're seeing for new pricing opportunities in the market? Speaker 700:31:27Or is that more of a function of majority of the portfolio has kind of been reset to current rates? Speaker 300:31:34Yes. I think it's those going up seems to be done from market those going up seems to be done from market expectations on the Fed's next move. We definitely have on an ongoing basis, we have fixed rate loans that were made in much lower rate environments coming up for maturity and those are either leaving or paying off. But what happens most of the time is the refinance, they're bluing, so they're refinanced at existing rates. And I would say that in the current pricing marketplace is, we're getting yields that are a little bit higher than our overall yields for sure, but the dollar amounts involved are not as significant. Speaker 300:32:22Got it. Speaker 700:32:23Okay. And then I guess lastly on capital, stocks had a very nice run lately. So I guess any updated thoughts on the buyback, probably not at current levels? Speaker 100:32:35Is that fair? Speaker 300:32:36No, we're obviously very pleased with the stock performance over the last week or so and actually last month or so. I would say our thoughts on capital is that we want to preserve it as much as we can. Clearly, again, we're a growing company. As everybody knows, there's different ratios that we and regulators look at when it comes to comparing that to capital levels. We want to make sure that we're in good stead there. Speaker 300:33:01Clearly, we want to have some dry powder, whether it's taking advantage of opportunities. You never know about the economy. So we're pretty comfortable kind of staying on the sidelines with the buyback program. Clearly, the price is probably the biggest driver there. So at these levels, certainly would not expect to initiate any of that. Speaker 300:33:25As you saw, we increased the dividend again as we typically do in the 1st and the third quarter. So increasing the cash return to our investors at a percent of earnings that we think makes sense for us, again making sure that we have capital for the items that I spoke of. Speaker 700:33:42Got it. Okay, great. That's all that I had. Thank you very much. Speaker 300:33:46You're welcome, Nick. Thank you. Operator00:33:50This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ray Reitzma for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:33:58Thank you for your participation in today's call and for your interest in Mercantile Bank. We appreciate it. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to the Mercantile Bancorporation 2024 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Nicole Klatter, First Vice President, Chief Marketing Officer of Mercantile Bank. Operator00:00:30Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:32Good morning and thank you for joining us. Today, we will cover the company's financial results for the Q2 of 2024. The team members joining me this morning include Ray Reitzma, President and Chief Executive Officer as well as Chuck Christmas, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Our agenda will begin with prepared remarks by both Ray and Chuck and will include references to our presentation covering this quarter's results. You can access a copy of the presentation as well as the press release sent earlier today by visiting mercbank.com. Speaker 100:01:09After our prepared remarks, we will then open the call to your questions. Before we begin, it is my responsibility to inform you that this call may involve certain forward looking statements such as projections of revenue, earnings and capital structure as well as statements on the plans and objectives of the company's business. The company's actual results could differ materially from any forward looking statements made today due to factors described in the company's latest Securities and Exchange Commission's filings. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward looking statements made during the call. That is all I have for you today. Speaker 100:01:54I will now turn the meeting over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Ray Reitzma. Ray? Speaker 200:02:01Thank you, Nicole. My comments will focus on our loan to deposit ratio, deposit growth, loan growth, asset quality and non interest income. Over the last 3 years, commercial loan growth and mortgage loan growth has been strong. And while our deposit growth has been solid, it has not kept pace with total loan growth. As a result, the bank's loan deposit ratio increased to 110% at year end 2023 compared to 85% at year end 2021 when deposits were elevated because of the PPP program and the resulting excess liquidity in the system. Speaker 200:02:37We believe the bank's elevated loan to deposit ratio is a contributing factor to our below peer valuation despite a strong return profile. The following comments summarize the strategies we believe will contribute to further reductions in our loan to deposit ratio. We have undertaken a 3 pronged approach to building our deposit base with the objective of reducing the loan to deposit ratio into the mid-ninety percent range over time. First, we plan to grow the public and municipal in the public and municipal realm through strategic personnel additions with existing relationships in this space. 2nd, placing additional focus on small business banking through more efficient underwriting and obtaining the full relationship that characterizes this type of business. Speaker 200:03:233rd, growing the retail customer focus based on total balances as opposed to activity hurdles such as transactions and card usage. These efforts led to an increase in local deposits in the first half of twenty twenty four of approximately $260,000,000 a 14% annualized growth rate. Local deposits grew $153,000,000 in the 2nd quarter alone. Mortgage loans on the balance sheet have grown substantially over the past few years as borrowers have opted for ARMs rather than fixed rates in the increasing rate environment. We have successfully executed changes within our portfolio mortgage programs, resulting in a greater portion of our mortgage production 76% increase in mortgage banking income during the 1st 6 months of 2024 compared to the respective 2023 period and a nominal increase in mortgage loans on our balance sheet of $12,000,000 year to date. Speaker 200:04:27Commercial loan growth in the first half of twenty twenty four was $118,000,000 or 7% annualized. The current pipeline stands near the trend line established over the last three quarters, including commitments to fund commercial construction loans of $320,000,000 and residential construction loans of $37,000,000 Customer reductions and loan balances from excess cash flow or asset sales of $76,000,000 also impacted our commercial loan totals. Taking these factors into account, we do not expect to see a deceleration in commercial loan growth in the immediate future. Taken together, these strategies produced a loan to deposit ratio of 107% as of June 30, 2024, compared to 110% at year end 2023 as deposit growth was approximately double total loan growth year to date. This ratio reduces to 102% when giving effect to our sweep account balances. Speaker 200:05:27During this period, the ratio of wholesale funds to total funds decreased from 13.8% to 12.1%, another demonstration of the strengthening of the funding side of the balance sheet. Asset quality remains very strong as non performing assets sold $9,100,000 atquarterend or 16 basis points of total assets consisting of 25% residential real estate and 75% non real estate commercial loans. There is no commercial real estate representation among the non performing assets. Past due loans in dollars represent 14 basis points of total loans and there is no outstanding ORE. Non owner occupied office exposure is $271,000,000 or 6 percent of total loans. Speaker 200:06:18The borrowers in this asset class have performed well and continued to be monitored closely. We remain vigilant in our underwriting standards and monitoring to identify any deterioration within our portfolio. Our lenders are the first line of observation and defense to recognize areas of emerging risk. Our risk rating model is robust with a continued emphasis on borrower current borrower cash flow providing prompt sensitivity to any emerging challenges within our borrowers' finances. That said, our customers continue to report strong results to date and have not begun to experience the impacts of a potential recessionary environment in any systemic fashion. Speaker 200:06:59Total non interest income grew 40% during the first half of twenty twenty four compared to the first half of twenty twenty three, with growth reported in virtually every category. Mortgage banking income grew 76% based on the strategies outlined earlier and the resulting ability to sell a greater portion of the originations on the secondary market. Income from interest rate swaps grew 18% as we met our customers' desire for fixed rate financing, principally in the CRE market. Service charges on accounts grew 58%, reflecting higher activity levels and customer growth and less earnings credit offset to charges based on reduced balances and transaction accounts. Payroll services grew by 20% as our offerings continue to build traction in the marketplace. Speaker 200:07:47Finally, credit and debit card income grew 4% when adjusted for the receipt of a one time payment from Visa associated with our contract renewal in the Q2 of 2023. That concludes my comments. I will now turn the call over to Chuck. Speaker 300:08:04Thanks, Ray. Good morning to everybody. This morning, we announced net income $18,800,000 or $1.17 per diluted share for the Q2 of 2024 compared with net income of $20,400,000 or $1.27 per diluted share for the respective prior year period. Net income during the 1st 6 months of 2024 totaled $40,300,000 or $2.50 per diluted share compared to $41,300,000 or $2.58 per diluted share during the 1st 6 months of 2023. While non interest income increased during both periods, net income was negatively impacted by higher provisions for credit losses and increased non interest expenses. Speaker 300:08:51Net interest income was relatively similar. Interest income on loans increased during the second quarter and 1st 6 months of 2024 compared to the prior year period, reflecting the increased interest rate environment and solid growth in commercial and residential mortgage loans. Our loan yield during the Q2 of 2024 was 45 basis points higher than the Q2 of 2023 with average loans up about 9% over the respective periods. The improved loan yield largely reflects the combined impact of an aggregate 75 basis point increase in the federal funds rate during the period of March through July of 2023 and over 2 thirds of our commercial loans having a floating rate. Interest income on securities also increased during the 2024 periods compared to the prior year periods, reflecting growth in the securities portfolio and the higher interest rate environment. Speaker 300:09:49Interest income on interest earning deposits, a vast majority of which is comprised of funds on deposit with the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago also increased during the 2024 periods compared to the prior year periods, reflecting a higher average balance and an increased yield. In total, interest income was $13,000,000 $29,200,000 higher during the Q2 and 1st 6 months of 2024 respectively compared to the prior year periods. We recorded increased interest expense on deposits in our sweep account product during the Q2 and 1st 6 months of 2024 compared to the prior year periods, reflecting the increased interest rate environment, money market and time deposit growth, transfers of deposits from no or low costing deposit products to higher costing deposit products and enhance competition for deposits. Our cost of deposits during the Q2 of 2024 was 106 basis points higher than the Q2 of 2023 with average deposits up almost 13% over the respective periods. Interest expense on the Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis advances also increased during the 2024 periods compared to the prior year period, generally reflecting the higher interest rate environment as well as a higher average advanced portfolio balance in the year to date comparison. Speaker 300:11:19Interest expense on other borrowed funds increased during the 2024 periods compared to the prior year periods, primarily reflecting the higher interest costs of our trust preferred securities. In total, interest expense was $13,400,000 $30,700,000 higher during the Q2 and 1st 6 months of 2024 respectively compared to the prior year periods. Net interest income declined $500,000 $1,500,000 during the Q2 and 1st 6 months of 2024 respectively compared to the prior year time periods. Our net interest margin declined 42 basis points during the Q2 of 2024 compared to the Q2 of 20 23. Although our yield on earning assets increased 46 basis points during that time period, our cost of funds was up 88 basis points. Speaker 300:12:12While we experienced rapid growth in earning asset yield during the period of March of 2022 through July of 2020 3 when the FOMC raised the federal funds rate by 5 25 basis points, meaningful increases in our cost of funds did not begin to materialize until the latter part of 2022 when competition for deposit base balances increased, deposit rates and depositors began to move funds from no and lower costing deposit types to higher costing deposit products. Our net interest margin peaked during the latter part of 2022 and early stages of 2023. Impact on our net interest margin more recently is our strategic initiative to lower the loaner deposit ratio, which generally entails deposit growth exceeding loan growth and using the additional monies to purchase securities. A large portion of the deposit growth is in the higher costing money market and time deposit products, while the purchase securities provide a lower yield than loan products. We recorded a provision expense of $3,500,000 $4,800,000 during the Q2 and 1st 6 months of 2024 respectively. Speaker 300:13:26The Q2 2024 provision expense primarily reflects a specific allocation for a non performing, non real estate related commercial loan relationship and allocations necessitated by net loan growth. The 1st 6 months expense also includes a specific allocation recorded during the Q1 of 2024 for a different non performing, non real estate related commercial loan relationship. Non interest expenses were 1 point $300,000 higher during the Q2 and 1st 6 months of 2024 respectively compared to the prior year time periods. The increases largely reflect higher salary and benefit costs including annual merit pay increases, market adjustments, higher residential mortgage lender commissions, lower residential mortgage loan deferred salary costs and increased medical insurance costs. Higher data processing costs also comprise a notable portion of the increased non interest expense level, primarily reflecting higher transaction volumes and software support costs along with the introduction of new cash management products and services. Speaker 300:14:41We remain in a strong and well capitalized regulatory capital position. Our bank's total risk based capital ratio was 13.9% at the end of the Q2, slightly over $200,000,000 above the minimum threshold to be categorized as well capitalized. We did not repurchase shares during the Q2 of 2024. We have $6,800,000 available in our current repurchase plan. While net unrealized gains and losses in our investment portfolio are excluded from regulatory capital calculations, we do regularly compute our regulatory capital ratios assuming the calculations did include that adjustment. Speaker 300:15:19While our regulatory capital ratios were negatively impacted by the pro form a calculations, our capital position remains strong. As of June 30, our Tier 1 leverage capital ratio declines from 12.2% to 11.3% and our total risk based capital ratio declines from 13.9% to 12.9%. Our excess capital as measured by the total risk based capital ratio is also negatively impacted. However, it's still a strong 100 and $150,000,000 over the minimum regulatory amount to be categorized as well capitalized. On Slide 22 of the presentation, share our latest assumptions on the interest rate environment and key performance metrics for the remainder of 2024 with the caveat that market conditions remain volatile making forecasting difficult. Speaker 300:16:10This forecast is predicated on the federal funds rate being lowered by 25 basis points effective October 1. We continue to project loan growth in the range of 4% to 6%. We are forecasting our net interest margin to be in a range of 3.50% to 3.60% during both the 3rd and 4th quarters. We expect increased interest costs from continued growth in higher costing money market and time deposits and the renewal of maturing time deposits open in lower interest rate environments to be generally mitigated by the renewal replacement of maturing fixed rate commercial loans and investments that were made and obtained in considerably lower interest rate environments. We expect non interest income and non interest expense to be relatively stable during the remainder of 2024. Speaker 300:17:02In closing, we are very pleased with our 2024 operating results and financial condition and believe we remain well positioned to continue to successfully navigate through the myriad of challenges faced by all financial institutions. Those are my prepared remarks. I'll now turn the call back over to Ray. Speaker 200:17:20Thank you, Chuck. That concludes the prepared remarks from management. We will now move into the Q and A portion of the call. Operator00:17:29We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Brendan Nosal with Hovde Group. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:17:58Hey, good morning, Ryan. How are you guys today? Speaker 200:18:01Doing well. Speaker 400:18:04Maybe just starting off on deposit competition and what you folks are seeing there. I mean, it feels like the mix shift out of non interest bearing has slowed pretty materially and the pace of increase in deposit pricing has as well. So just kind of curious where the competitive environment stands and how much further bleed in funding costs you might see as the year progresses? Speaker 300:18:26Yes, Brad, it's a good question. This is Chuck. I would agree with your comments that transfers from the lower low cost in deposit products has definitely slowed from certainly from where it was in the back half of last year and the beginning of this year. We still see some of that, but certainly not just what we have before. One of the things that we haven't seen that we typically do, it kind of goes back to in January of each year, we lose quite a bit of non interest bearing deposits as our commercial customers pay bonuses, taxes and partnership distributions. Speaker 300:19:00And then we generally see that ramp back up and kind of go through the same cycle again. We're not seeing the growth in non interest bearing accounts that we typically would. But what we are seeing is those businesses growing their money market and in some cases time deposits. So I think with the rates being higher than obviously what they have been over the last few years, I think our commercial customers are being more savvy and paying more attention to cash management. And so I think we so our margin or net interest income is impacted by them putting money into those higher money market accounts versus the non interest bearing accounts. Speaker 300:19:40I would say that interest deposit rates in our markets have remained relatively stable for the last few months, which obviously is a good thing. I think we're still feeling that the rates are relatively high in total, but we're not seeing them increase anymore. Speaker 400:20:01Got it. All right. That's helpful color, Chuck. Thank you. Maybe one more for me before I step back. Speaker 400:20:07Just on that goal to get the loan to deposit ratio into the mid-90s over time. I know that there's a lot of factors environmentally that can kind of help or hurt that, but just kind of curious, how you think about a timeframe to get towards that target? Speaker 200:20:24Because of the way you opened your question, we don't think about it with a timeframe. You're correct. There are so many variables. And our goal in general is to continue to grow the loan portfolio at a pace that our markets and customers demand of us and outgrow that with deposits at the same time. And to do that without going above market for our deposit rates. Speaker 200:20:53So those are the factors that will determine how quickly we can bring it down. And for the 1st 6 months of the year, we've been able to grow our loan book at about 7%, deposit book at about twice that at 14%. And so that's an indication of what the last 6 months environment yielded. We don't expect that to change materially, but as we've seen in the financial markets, things do change and they will. So we'll have to adjust as that happens. Speaker 400:21:27Jeff, fair enough. Fair enough. All right. Thanks for taking the questions. Speaker 300:21:30You bet. Operator00:21:35Next question comes from Daniel Tamayo with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:21:41Hey, thanks guys. Good morning. Just digging into credit a little bit, it's obviously been a strength for you guys and remain so. But just curious if you're able to give us any information on the commercial relationship that drove the increase in reserves in the quarter? Speaker 200:21:59Well, it was an outlier. It was non real estate related, a C and I business that basically ran into management issues and that caused the credit issue. Doesn't look like it relates to anything systemic in the marketplace, the economy or our portfolio. Speaker 500:22:26Okay. And what's taken in terms of reserves on that loan and where does that stand in terms of kind of loan due I'm sorry, in terms of coverage? Speaker 200:22:40And we reserved it aggressively and fully. So wouldn't expect to have further reserve related to that credit. Speaker 500:22:52Okay, great. And then I guess, the classified and criticized trends, anything noteworthy and may not be fully up to speed on those yet, but just curious from what you guys know now like what you can expect when the reg data comes up? Speaker 200:23:14Well, the mix of classified versus not is pretty stable. Qualitatively within the more risky end of that spectrum, We have a number of exit credits that are working out as anticipated. The rehab credits in that group are healing as anticipated. So from where we sit, we don't expect surprises within that group. Speaker 500:23:49Okay. And then just lastly on credit, the provision and net charge offs, I mean is there anything different that we should think about in terms of forecasting that loss provision number going forward or outside of the unusual number in the Q2? Do you still feel like that's relatively stable? Speaker 300:24:12Yes, Dan, this is Chuck. I think we generally don't give guidance on provision. I know all the firms have their own different thoughts on the economy. And certainly, we can see, especially as a commercial lender with some sizable credits, occasionally we do have some one offs, which hopefully will go the other way as we continue our collection efforts, namely on the 2 credits that I mentioned in my prepared remarks. So I would say if you look at a combination of the 1st and second quarter, kind of average them out is in general what our expectations would be as we sit here today. Speaker 200:24:47Okay, terrific. Well, thanks for all the Speaker 500:24:49color guys. I appreciate it. I'll step back. Speaker 300:24:51Welcome, Nate. You bet. Operator00:24:55The next question comes from Nathan Race with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:25:01Yes. Hi, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just going back to Chuck's comments previously in terms of the deposit and pricing environment being relatively stable of late. Speaker 600:25:11Just curious kind of how the trend in the margin unfolded over the course of Q2? Was it relatively stable or kind of steady compression each month between April June? Speaker 300:25:23Yes. I would say it was a downward trend throughout the quarter. I think what we're seeing is that our deposits are re pricing timing events that I mentioned. So but I think that we're getting close to the point here and you can see that in my guidance is we're getting close to a point of equilibrium. The CD is repricing today, while they're repricing, they're not re pricing to the magnitude that they were certainly 12 months ago, even 6 months ago. Speaker 300:26:00And then again, we continue to have the re price on the asset side as well. So we think on an overall basis with it looks like the Fed is going to start lowering rates on a measured basis. We feel good about our balance sheet in that environment. So taking all that together, we think when we get here into the 3rd Q4, is that our margin will be relatively stable at the levels that we projected. Speaker 600:26:26Got it. Very helpful. And then just speaking of repricing on the right side of the balance sheet, Chuck, can you remind us just in terms of what amount of non maturity deposits can reprice kind of commensurate with each cut? Speaker 300:26:42Yes. I think you're kind of touching on something that is going to be a very interesting. I think when we're all looking at trying to forecast our net interest margins, as they call them the deposit betas are of course the biggest objective number that we put into our models, we put into our forecast. And I think now that will get it will become very interesting if the Fed does in fact start lowering interest rates. As we see how the competition reacts, clearly you've heard from our comments today, the loan to deposit ratio strategy is very important to us. Speaker 300:27:17So that's going to come into the mix as well. I think we definitely have seen some increases in time deposits, but the biggest level of increases by far are the money market rates. Those are the ones that have been priced most aggressively, not just by us, but in the marketplace as well. So it's our expectation. It's, I guess, our hope that when the Fed does start lowering interest rates is that we'll see some meaningful declines in the rates being offered on that product within the marketplace as well. Speaker 600:27:50Okay. Great. Very helpful. And then if I could just ask one more on kind of expenses and hiring efforts. Just curious if the updated expense guide for the Q4 contemplates any hires that you guys are planning to make to maybe accelerate some progress on the deposit gathering front? Speaker 300:28:08Yes. Our forecast definitely reflects our expectations in our workforce, whether we are hiring additional people or trying to fill existing spots right now. We're always looking for people on all facets of our company on the sales side, whether it be commercial lenders and or primarily deposit gatherers. I would say that we've done some very meaningful hires in the past 12 to 18 months on the deposit side and we would definitely like to add to that. And that some is somewhat budgeted and put into our forecast. Speaker 300:28:45But we are a growing company. We continue to expect to grow and that will be will require increases in our workforce. But one of the things that we definitely have seen over the last couple of years is improvements in our efficiencies, especially with our data analytics team. While we have grown as a company over the last couple of years, as you look at our FTEs, except for our summer intern program that we had that throws those numbers off a little bit from time and again, you can see that our FTEs have been very stable. And that really is a reflection of us becoming more efficient internally. Speaker 300:29:22We're taking a look at all of our processes. We're getting smarter about what we're doing, but also the data analytics, the function has also had a nice impact on us helping our efficiency there as well. Speaker 600:29:37Okay, great. I appreciate all the color. Thank you. Speaker 300:29:42Certainly. Operator00:29:50The next question comes from Damon DelMonte with KBW. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:29:55Hey, good morning guys. Hope you're both doing well and thanks for taking my questions here. First one, just wanted to touch a little bit on loan growth. It sounds like the outlook remains pretty solid for you guys. Can you just talk a little bit about what areas of your footprint are providing the best opportunities and kind of within those opportunities, what segments of the economy are providing Speaker 300:30:19good credits for you guys? Speaker 200:30:23Hey Damon, this is Ray. The loan opportunities have been pretty well dispersed and not concentrated in any particular part of our geography. Of course, we have some concentration here in Grand Rapids because of the concentration of existing assets that we have here. But in terms of new opportunities, they're spread around the state. And our search as we grow our commercial book, we're looking for good companies and good management teams. Speaker 200:30:54And what industry they're in is less important to us. We just absolutely want to find good management teams that will continue to uphold our credit quality. So we haven't focused in any particular areas of the economy. It's more company specifics driven. Speaker 700:31:14Got you. Okay. And then kind of switching to the loan yields. Chuck, I think they were kind of flat this quarter, quarter over quarter. Is that a function of what you're seeing for new pricing opportunities in the market? Speaker 700:31:27Or is that more of a function of majority of the portfolio has kind of been reset to current rates? Speaker 300:31:34Yes. I think it's those going up seems to be done from market those going up seems to be done from market expectations on the Fed's next move. We definitely have on an ongoing basis, we have fixed rate loans that were made in much lower rate environments coming up for maturity and those are either leaving or paying off. But what happens most of the time is the refinance, they're bluing, so they're refinanced at existing rates. And I would say that in the current pricing marketplace is, we're getting yields that are a little bit higher than our overall yields for sure, but the dollar amounts involved are not as significant. Speaker 300:32:22Got it. Speaker 700:32:23Okay. And then I guess lastly on capital, stocks had a very nice run lately. So I guess any updated thoughts on the buyback, probably not at current levels? Speaker 100:32:35Is that fair? Speaker 300:32:36No, we're obviously very pleased with the stock performance over the last week or so and actually last month or so. I would say our thoughts on capital is that we want to preserve it as much as we can. Clearly, again, we're a growing company. As everybody knows, there's different ratios that we and regulators look at when it comes to comparing that to capital levels. We want to make sure that we're in good stead there. Speaker 300:33:01Clearly, we want to have some dry powder, whether it's taking advantage of opportunities. You never know about the economy. So we're pretty comfortable kind of staying on the sidelines with the buyback program. Clearly, the price is probably the biggest driver there. So at these levels, certainly would not expect to initiate any of that. Speaker 300:33:25As you saw, we increased the dividend again as we typically do in the 1st and the third quarter. So increasing the cash return to our investors at a percent of earnings that we think makes sense for us, again making sure that we have capital for the items that I spoke of. Speaker 700:33:42Got it. Okay, great. That's all that I had. Thank you very much. Speaker 300:33:46You're welcome, Nick. Thank you. Operator00:33:50This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ray Reitzma for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:33:58Thank you for your participation in today's call and for your interest in Mercantile Bank. We appreciate it. And that concludes today's call.Read morePowered by