NASDAQ:CSBR Champions Oncology Q4 2024 Earnings Report Earnings HistoryForecast Champions Oncology EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.01Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/AChampions Oncology Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$14.00 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AChampions Oncology Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date7/18/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, July 18, 2024Conference Call Time4:30PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Champions Oncology Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 18, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 5 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:01Greetings. Welcome to Champion's Oncology's 4th Quarter Fiscal Year 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Please note this conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:24I will now turn the conference over to your host, Doctor. Ronnie Morris, CEO at Champions Oncology. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:36Good afternoon. I am Rodney Morris, CEO of Champions Oncology. Joining me today is David Miller, our Chief Financial Officer. Thank you for joining us for our quarterly earnings call. Before I begin, I will remind you that we will be making forward looking statements during today's call and that actual results could differ materially from what are described in those statements. Speaker 100:00:56Additional information on factors that could cause results to differ is available in our Forms 10 Q and Form 10 ks. A reconciliation of non GAAP financial measures that may be discussed during the call to GAAP financial measures available in the earnings release. This past year was a challenging one with disappointing financial results compared to historical performance, but also one that has us ending the year stronger, leaner and positioned for a return to revenue growth and profitability. I will detail the negative impacts and the transition to the emerging positive trends. Over the year, we discussed our challenges indicating they were caused by a combination of external and internal factors. Speaker 100:01:37Externally, the weakness in retraction in the biotech sector negatively affected their R and D budgets, thus leading to a decrease in our still solid, but did not expand from the prior year. The biotech economic environment resulted in less new company's booking services as well as a slight decrease in our average study size. This weakness did not only manifest itself in our bookings, we also experienced a cancellation rate above our historical norms, while noticing that cut of source were quicker to both put on the study or parts of the study than in the past. The lower bookings and increasing cancellations weighed heavily on revenue conversion. Additionally, as we discussed over the course of the year, we were plagued by some operational issues that impacted on our financial results. Speaker 100:02:29These issues led to the need to repeat some of the work increasing our costs and delaying the revenue recognition. Now the better news, as we end the year and pivot towards our new fiscal year, we have detected a gradual loosening of R and D budgets leading to an uptick in opportunity generation. Cancellations on more recently signed bookings have slowed. Strategically, we have focused on expanding and deepening relationships with our big pharma customers. These customers have the ability to sign larger studies and are somewhat less susceptible to the downturn in this sector. Speaker 100:03:06Biotech companies are still an integral part of our business, but we feel that its strategic focus provides upside opportunity and downside protection. Regarding internal challenges, we are confident that operations are back on track and put more to scale than previously constructed. The evidence of this is an improved revenue number and adjusted EBITDA profitability achieved in Q4 and which is the result of some of our operational improvements. We also believe that we have redesigned our operational teams and improved our systems to enable revenue growth with a smaller increase in our operating costs improved gross margins as our revenue expands. Turning to our core products, the PDX spending continues to give us industry leading edge and our in vivo business remains strong. Speaker 100:03:52We continued to develop our ex vivo platform and made a key strategic hire at the end of the fiscal year. Exvio has contributed meaningfully to our top line growth over the last few years with revenue contribution in excess of 10%. And we are optimistic that with this key addition we're poised to see the Exvio's contribution increase even more substantially, improving revenue growth and lifting our overall gross margin. Our medical biomarker business is growing and we are working to further expand the customer base. With regards to Karelia, our wholly owned drug subsidiary, we continue to be excited about the targets and the compounds that we have developed. Speaker 100:04:32We are actively engaged in discussions to out license several of our programs. We are cognizant of the impact on our bottom line results and the carrying cost for this entity. As such, we are working to minimize the burden on 2 fronts. First, we are reducing our spending while we are searching for potential licensing while not harming the target for development. 2nd, we continue to actively engaged with investors in effort to raise capital to support and accelerate our growth. Speaker 100:05:02In summary, the year's performance anticipated, was below historical expectations. We anticipate that the improvements made will slowly continue to take hold as we have seen this last quarter and put us back on our targeted trajectory as we head into our new fiscal year. Despite the Down Year from a financial perspective, we continue to have a robust bookings, a comprehensive platform, stellar reputation and a strong team that is poised for the next stage, we are confident that we will emerge with stronger revenue and profitability over the long term. Now let me turn the call over to David Miller for any more detailed review of the financial results. Speaker 200:05:42Results. Thanks, Ronny. As Ronny mentioned, fiscal 2024 was challenging as evidenced by our financial results. For the first time in many years, we saw a contraction in our top line with revenue coming in at 15,000,000 representing a year over year decline of approximately $4,000,000 or 7%, leading to a larger net loss for the year. On a GAAP basis, our loss from operations for fiscal year 2024 was $7,400,000 compared to a loss of $5,300,000 in 2023. Speaker 200:06:19Included in the $7,400,000 loss are non cash expenses totaling approximately $3,500,000 which included stock comp, depreciation and a loss on disposal of equipment. Excluding these non cash items, our adjusted loss was $3,900,000 for 2024 compared to an adjusted loss of 1 point $3,000,000 in the year ago period. Turning the focus to the Q4 and cash based results, we began to see the signs of the longer weighted financial rebound in the 4th quarter. Our revenue increased to $14,000,000 compared to $13,100,000 in the year ago period, an increase of $900,000 or 7%. Our adjusted EBITDA was approximately $900,000 compared to an adjusted loss of $900,000 in Q4 of 2023. Speaker 200:07:16Total cost of sales was $7,200,000 compared to $7,100,000 in our 4th quarter year, an increase of 1%. The relatively unchanged cost of sales on revenue that was approximately $1,000,000 higher is indicative of the measures taken to improve efficiencies and right size our operational team to leverage our costs on a growing revenue base. For the year, cost of sales was $29,100,000 compared to $28,800,000 a year ago, representing a similar 1% increase. Although total sales costs were mostly unchanged for the year, the variable component of our cost of sales was high relative to our revenue due to expenses related to repeat work and other inefficiencies. For Q4, pharmacology services gross margin expanded to 49% compared to 47% in the Q4 last year. Speaker 200:08:16We had been guiding that margins would be under pressure during 2024, but we are confident this quarter's improvement is more reflective of future results as compared to the 43% margin delivered for the full year. For the Q4, R and D expense was approximately 2,000,000 compared to $2,800,000 in the year ago period. And for the year, R and D expense was $9,500,000 compared to $11,500,000 for fiscal 2023. The decline in R and D for both the Q4 and year over year was attributed to our stated strategy to more strategically manage our R and D spend, while maintaining the ability to support future growth and sustain our target discovery efforts. For the Q4, sales and marketing expense was $1,800,000 remaining relatively unchanged to the prior year. Speaker 200:09:09Similarly unchanged, the full year expense was $6,900,000 compared to $6,800,000 last year. Our G and A expense was $2,100,000 for the Q4 compared to $2,200,000 for the Q4 last year. And for the year, G and A expense was $8,500,000 compared to $8,100,000 in the year ago period. This was primarily due to an increase in compensation related costs offset by a reduction in IT and professional fees. Looking ahead to fiscal year 2025, we anticipate keeping G and A mostly flat while reducing as percentage of total revenue. Speaker 200:09:49Now turning to cash. We ended the year with $2,600,000 of cash on the balance sheet and no debt. For the quarter, cash used in operating activities was $1,800,000 Looking ahead to fiscal year 2025, we anticipate maintaining a generally cash neutral position over the next few quarters. We are carefully managing and monitoring our cash balance and expect that with improving bottom line results, our cash position will rebound over the long term. We do not anticipate significant CapEx over the course of the year as investments have already been made in prior periods to automate our ex vivo platform and other lab functions to increase capacity and improve efficiencies, allowing us to increase our revenue and expand our margins. Speaker 200:10:37In summation, our 2024 financial results, although not expected unexpected were weaker than we're accustomed to delivering as we were impacted by the multiple obstacles outlined on this call. However, despite the setback, we feel that we're slowly emerging from the downturn as evidenced by our Q4 results and we're confident in the long term prospects for the company. Looking ahead to the first half of twenty twenty five, we're going to be focused on our bottom line results with an expectation of profitability and revenue growth compared to the first half of twenty twenty three. I want to reiterate the message that despite the decline in this past year, our long term prospects are positive and we look forward to improving the financial results in the coming quarters. We'll have a quick turnaround time before our next call, which should be in approximately 7 weeks when we report our Q1 results. Speaker 200:11:31We will now open the call to questions. Operator00:11:38Thank you. And we did have a question in queue coming from Matt Hewitt from Craig Hallum. Matt, your line is live. Speaker 300:12:14Good afternoon and congratulations on the early stages of recovery. Maybe to dig in a little bit more on the back on the macro situation, it sounds like things are maybe improving a little bit. I'm just curious if what you saw here in Q4, was that a function of maybe some projects that had been delayed or held off on, the last couple of quarters that are finally getting funding and starting to be implemented? Or was this some new business that you had received either later in Q3 or even early Q4 because of the improving funding environment for pharma and biotech? Speaker 400:12:54Yes. I think, Matt, that we're certainly seeing more opportunity generation. We're seeing better discussions with pharma and biotech. I wouldn't say it's back the way it was necessarily in 2021, but we're definitely seeing an opening compared to last year. So there's a lot of positive areas in that respect. Speaker 400:13:19I would say that the trend that we started to see in Q4 is accumulation of a bunch of different factors. I think one was just a little bit of a decrease in the cancellations. I think 2, it was a some of our operational efficiencies that we've been working on for a while, just really getting into gear and us being able to complete the work and just getting stuff done. And I think it's partially attributed to what he said of just things opening up. So I think it was just a combination of a bunch of different things. Speaker 400:13:57I think one of the things we had to do over the last year when things got tighter, last year and a half, I should say, when things got tighter is we just had to improve that as an organization, both operationally and commercially and from a marketing perspective. I think we just had to become And so I think a lot of those things are now in place and gives us a really good position to go forward in this fiscal year. So it's hard to sometimes parse out what's 100% attributing to just getting back on track. I think it's a combination of those factors. Speaker 300:14:33Got it. That's helpful. And then you mentioned a couple of times now the operational improvements that you've implemented to drive faster revenue conversion. Could you go into maybe a little bit more color as to what those improvements are? And are we on the early stages of seeing the benefits of those? Speaker 300:14:52Or have they been implemented? You're basically where you want to be and now it's just a function of getting more deals across the transom? Speaker 400:15:01Yes. I think in every organizational evolution and certainly we had a fairly rapid growth spread over the last couple of years. I think you get to a point where the fundamental operations sometimes are just not in the right shape for the growth of the company. And I think that's a little bit of what happened to us. That in combination with just needing to get some better management in place. Speaker 400:15:29So there were Speaker 100:15:32a couple Speaker 400:15:32of issues in terms of just getting studies done. Remember, we deal with a biological system, so sometimes things take a little longer than others. But I think from both a technological perspective, a process perspective, a management perspective, we just use that opportunity to just upgrade in all areas. So making things more efficient, more scalable, to be able to get to that next level and bump up the next level. So we certainly feel very comfortable that we're going to get back to the margins that we had seen in prior years. Speaker 400:16:12And we feel very comfortable now about a lot of the changes that we made in kind of an operational perspective just to become more efficient, more scalable, more reliable on and on. Speaker 300:16:25Got it. In your prepared remarks, you mentioned that you've increased or you're putting a little more emphasis or focus on your big pharma, your large pharma customers. Do you know what percentage of your revenues are coming from large pharma? Speaker 100:16:44Can't shoot it Speaker 400:16:44up to David because it changes all the time. So David, do you have the motive today? Speaker 200:16:48Yes, yes, sure. It does change all the time. Rough estimate is approximately 40% from the top tier customers. We're actually pretty and we've remained pretty evenly distributed over the years, what we call Tier A, B and C. Tier C being the new biotech, Tier A being the top pharma and Tier B being somewhere in the middle. Speaker 200:17:11So we've been pretty much relatively evenly distributed over many years. But I think over the last year or so, we've had more of an emphasis in terms of getting deeper into our top tier customers. And we're starting to see some of the larger, I would say, opportunities coming from them. So we think that we see that starting to take hold and we anticipate that that will have a maybe skew the revenue conversion towards the top tier customers over the coming year. Speaker 300:17:40Got it. And then maybe one more and I'll hop back into queue. But when you look at obviously you returned to growth here in Q4 for the first time in a year. That's fantastic news. It sounds like you're forecasting or projecting growth for the first half. Speaker 300:17:57Do you feel like we've turned the corner at this point and you can not only get back to some growth, but maybe get back to your historical growth levels or do you think that's going to take a little bit longer? Thank you. Speaker 400:18:09Yes. I think that it's a little hard for us to have a crystal ball on that right now because we're still trying to figure out what's happening out there externally. So we feel very confident that we've gotten back to profitability. We feel very confident that there's growth. The question about historical growth and where the markets are at, that's something that we still need a little more time to see how things shake out. Speaker 400:18:38So that's why we haven't really given a lot of guidance on that. But hopefully over the next quarter or 2 when we get a sense for how this market is turning around, how a lot of our upgrades and our changes are taking effect, we should have a better idea whether we can get back up to those higher growth rates that we've been accustomed to. Speaker 300:19:03Got it. All right. Thank you and congratulations again. Speaker 400:19:06Thank you, Matt. Operator00:19:09Thank you. And there were no other questions from the lines at this time. I would now like to hand the call back to Doctor. Ronnie Morris for closing remarks. Speaker 400:19:26Thank you. Thank you everybody for joining us for our quarterly earnings call. We're excited to get back to profitability. We feel very good about where the business is at right now and cautiously optimistic about where the biotech and the pharma world is going. So with that, we look forward to speaking to everybody to give them our Q1 results in approximately 7 weeks. Speaker 400:19:54So have a good evening, everybody. Thank you for joining us. Operator00:19:59Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. 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There are 5 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:01Greetings. Welcome to Champion's Oncology's 4th Quarter Fiscal Year 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Please note this conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:24I will now turn the conference over to your host, Doctor. Ronnie Morris, CEO at Champions Oncology. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:36Good afternoon. I am Rodney Morris, CEO of Champions Oncology. Joining me today is David Miller, our Chief Financial Officer. Thank you for joining us for our quarterly earnings call. Before I begin, I will remind you that we will be making forward looking statements during today's call and that actual results could differ materially from what are described in those statements. Speaker 100:00:56Additional information on factors that could cause results to differ is available in our Forms 10 Q and Form 10 ks. A reconciliation of non GAAP financial measures that may be discussed during the call to GAAP financial measures available in the earnings release. This past year was a challenging one with disappointing financial results compared to historical performance, but also one that has us ending the year stronger, leaner and positioned for a return to revenue growth and profitability. I will detail the negative impacts and the transition to the emerging positive trends. Over the year, we discussed our challenges indicating they were caused by a combination of external and internal factors. Speaker 100:01:37Externally, the weakness in retraction in the biotech sector negatively affected their R and D budgets, thus leading to a decrease in our still solid, but did not expand from the prior year. The biotech economic environment resulted in less new company's booking services as well as a slight decrease in our average study size. This weakness did not only manifest itself in our bookings, we also experienced a cancellation rate above our historical norms, while noticing that cut of source were quicker to both put on the study or parts of the study than in the past. The lower bookings and increasing cancellations weighed heavily on revenue conversion. Additionally, as we discussed over the course of the year, we were plagued by some operational issues that impacted on our financial results. Speaker 100:02:29These issues led to the need to repeat some of the work increasing our costs and delaying the revenue recognition. Now the better news, as we end the year and pivot towards our new fiscal year, we have detected a gradual loosening of R and D budgets leading to an uptick in opportunity generation. Cancellations on more recently signed bookings have slowed. Strategically, we have focused on expanding and deepening relationships with our big pharma customers. These customers have the ability to sign larger studies and are somewhat less susceptible to the downturn in this sector. Speaker 100:03:06Biotech companies are still an integral part of our business, but we feel that its strategic focus provides upside opportunity and downside protection. Regarding internal challenges, we are confident that operations are back on track and put more to scale than previously constructed. The evidence of this is an improved revenue number and adjusted EBITDA profitability achieved in Q4 and which is the result of some of our operational improvements. We also believe that we have redesigned our operational teams and improved our systems to enable revenue growth with a smaller increase in our operating costs improved gross margins as our revenue expands. Turning to our core products, the PDX spending continues to give us industry leading edge and our in vivo business remains strong. Speaker 100:03:52We continued to develop our ex vivo platform and made a key strategic hire at the end of the fiscal year. Exvio has contributed meaningfully to our top line growth over the last few years with revenue contribution in excess of 10%. And we are optimistic that with this key addition we're poised to see the Exvio's contribution increase even more substantially, improving revenue growth and lifting our overall gross margin. Our medical biomarker business is growing and we are working to further expand the customer base. With regards to Karelia, our wholly owned drug subsidiary, we continue to be excited about the targets and the compounds that we have developed. Speaker 100:04:32We are actively engaged in discussions to out license several of our programs. We are cognizant of the impact on our bottom line results and the carrying cost for this entity. As such, we are working to minimize the burden on 2 fronts. First, we are reducing our spending while we are searching for potential licensing while not harming the target for development. 2nd, we continue to actively engaged with investors in effort to raise capital to support and accelerate our growth. Speaker 100:05:02In summary, the year's performance anticipated, was below historical expectations. We anticipate that the improvements made will slowly continue to take hold as we have seen this last quarter and put us back on our targeted trajectory as we head into our new fiscal year. Despite the Down Year from a financial perspective, we continue to have a robust bookings, a comprehensive platform, stellar reputation and a strong team that is poised for the next stage, we are confident that we will emerge with stronger revenue and profitability over the long term. Now let me turn the call over to David Miller for any more detailed review of the financial results. Speaker 200:05:42Results. Thanks, Ronny. As Ronny mentioned, fiscal 2024 was challenging as evidenced by our financial results. For the first time in many years, we saw a contraction in our top line with revenue coming in at 15,000,000 representing a year over year decline of approximately $4,000,000 or 7%, leading to a larger net loss for the year. On a GAAP basis, our loss from operations for fiscal year 2024 was $7,400,000 compared to a loss of $5,300,000 in 2023. Speaker 200:06:19Included in the $7,400,000 loss are non cash expenses totaling approximately $3,500,000 which included stock comp, depreciation and a loss on disposal of equipment. Excluding these non cash items, our adjusted loss was $3,900,000 for 2024 compared to an adjusted loss of 1 point $3,000,000 in the year ago period. Turning the focus to the Q4 and cash based results, we began to see the signs of the longer weighted financial rebound in the 4th quarter. Our revenue increased to $14,000,000 compared to $13,100,000 in the year ago period, an increase of $900,000 or 7%. Our adjusted EBITDA was approximately $900,000 compared to an adjusted loss of $900,000 in Q4 of 2023. Speaker 200:07:16Total cost of sales was $7,200,000 compared to $7,100,000 in our 4th quarter year, an increase of 1%. The relatively unchanged cost of sales on revenue that was approximately $1,000,000 higher is indicative of the measures taken to improve efficiencies and right size our operational team to leverage our costs on a growing revenue base. For the year, cost of sales was $29,100,000 compared to $28,800,000 a year ago, representing a similar 1% increase. Although total sales costs were mostly unchanged for the year, the variable component of our cost of sales was high relative to our revenue due to expenses related to repeat work and other inefficiencies. For Q4, pharmacology services gross margin expanded to 49% compared to 47% in the Q4 last year. Speaker 200:08:16We had been guiding that margins would be under pressure during 2024, but we are confident this quarter's improvement is more reflective of future results as compared to the 43% margin delivered for the full year. For the Q4, R and D expense was approximately 2,000,000 compared to $2,800,000 in the year ago period. And for the year, R and D expense was $9,500,000 compared to $11,500,000 for fiscal 2023. The decline in R and D for both the Q4 and year over year was attributed to our stated strategy to more strategically manage our R and D spend, while maintaining the ability to support future growth and sustain our target discovery efforts. For the Q4, sales and marketing expense was $1,800,000 remaining relatively unchanged to the prior year. Speaker 200:09:09Similarly unchanged, the full year expense was $6,900,000 compared to $6,800,000 last year. Our G and A expense was $2,100,000 for the Q4 compared to $2,200,000 for the Q4 last year. And for the year, G and A expense was $8,500,000 compared to $8,100,000 in the year ago period. This was primarily due to an increase in compensation related costs offset by a reduction in IT and professional fees. Looking ahead to fiscal year 2025, we anticipate keeping G and A mostly flat while reducing as percentage of total revenue. Speaker 200:09:49Now turning to cash. We ended the year with $2,600,000 of cash on the balance sheet and no debt. For the quarter, cash used in operating activities was $1,800,000 Looking ahead to fiscal year 2025, we anticipate maintaining a generally cash neutral position over the next few quarters. We are carefully managing and monitoring our cash balance and expect that with improving bottom line results, our cash position will rebound over the long term. We do not anticipate significant CapEx over the course of the year as investments have already been made in prior periods to automate our ex vivo platform and other lab functions to increase capacity and improve efficiencies, allowing us to increase our revenue and expand our margins. Speaker 200:10:37In summation, our 2024 financial results, although not expected unexpected were weaker than we're accustomed to delivering as we were impacted by the multiple obstacles outlined on this call. However, despite the setback, we feel that we're slowly emerging from the downturn as evidenced by our Q4 results and we're confident in the long term prospects for the company. Looking ahead to the first half of twenty twenty five, we're going to be focused on our bottom line results with an expectation of profitability and revenue growth compared to the first half of twenty twenty three. I want to reiterate the message that despite the decline in this past year, our long term prospects are positive and we look forward to improving the financial results in the coming quarters. We'll have a quick turnaround time before our next call, which should be in approximately 7 weeks when we report our Q1 results. Speaker 200:11:31We will now open the call to questions. Operator00:11:38Thank you. And we did have a question in queue coming from Matt Hewitt from Craig Hallum. Matt, your line is live. Speaker 300:12:14Good afternoon and congratulations on the early stages of recovery. Maybe to dig in a little bit more on the back on the macro situation, it sounds like things are maybe improving a little bit. I'm just curious if what you saw here in Q4, was that a function of maybe some projects that had been delayed or held off on, the last couple of quarters that are finally getting funding and starting to be implemented? Or was this some new business that you had received either later in Q3 or even early Q4 because of the improving funding environment for pharma and biotech? Speaker 400:12:54Yes. I think, Matt, that we're certainly seeing more opportunity generation. We're seeing better discussions with pharma and biotech. I wouldn't say it's back the way it was necessarily in 2021, but we're definitely seeing an opening compared to last year. So there's a lot of positive areas in that respect. Speaker 400:13:19I would say that the trend that we started to see in Q4 is accumulation of a bunch of different factors. I think one was just a little bit of a decrease in the cancellations. I think 2, it was a some of our operational efficiencies that we've been working on for a while, just really getting into gear and us being able to complete the work and just getting stuff done. And I think it's partially attributed to what he said of just things opening up. So I think it was just a combination of a bunch of different things. Speaker 400:13:57I think one of the things we had to do over the last year when things got tighter, last year and a half, I should say, when things got tighter is we just had to improve that as an organization, both operationally and commercially and from a marketing perspective. I think we just had to become And so I think a lot of those things are now in place and gives us a really good position to go forward in this fiscal year. So it's hard to sometimes parse out what's 100% attributing to just getting back on track. I think it's a combination of those factors. Speaker 300:14:33Got it. That's helpful. And then you mentioned a couple of times now the operational improvements that you've implemented to drive faster revenue conversion. Could you go into maybe a little bit more color as to what those improvements are? And are we on the early stages of seeing the benefits of those? Speaker 300:14:52Or have they been implemented? You're basically where you want to be and now it's just a function of getting more deals across the transom? Speaker 400:15:01Yes. I think in every organizational evolution and certainly we had a fairly rapid growth spread over the last couple of years. I think you get to a point where the fundamental operations sometimes are just not in the right shape for the growth of the company. And I think that's a little bit of what happened to us. That in combination with just needing to get some better management in place. Speaker 400:15:29So there were Speaker 100:15:32a couple Speaker 400:15:32of issues in terms of just getting studies done. Remember, we deal with a biological system, so sometimes things take a little longer than others. But I think from both a technological perspective, a process perspective, a management perspective, we just use that opportunity to just upgrade in all areas. So making things more efficient, more scalable, to be able to get to that next level and bump up the next level. So we certainly feel very comfortable that we're going to get back to the margins that we had seen in prior years. Speaker 400:16:12And we feel very comfortable now about a lot of the changes that we made in kind of an operational perspective just to become more efficient, more scalable, more reliable on and on. Speaker 300:16:25Got it. In your prepared remarks, you mentioned that you've increased or you're putting a little more emphasis or focus on your big pharma, your large pharma customers. Do you know what percentage of your revenues are coming from large pharma? Speaker 100:16:44Can't shoot it Speaker 400:16:44up to David because it changes all the time. So David, do you have the motive today? Speaker 200:16:48Yes, yes, sure. It does change all the time. Rough estimate is approximately 40% from the top tier customers. We're actually pretty and we've remained pretty evenly distributed over the years, what we call Tier A, B and C. Tier C being the new biotech, Tier A being the top pharma and Tier B being somewhere in the middle. Speaker 200:17:11So we've been pretty much relatively evenly distributed over many years. But I think over the last year or so, we've had more of an emphasis in terms of getting deeper into our top tier customers. And we're starting to see some of the larger, I would say, opportunities coming from them. So we think that we see that starting to take hold and we anticipate that that will have a maybe skew the revenue conversion towards the top tier customers over the coming year. Speaker 300:17:40Got it. And then maybe one more and I'll hop back into queue. But when you look at obviously you returned to growth here in Q4 for the first time in a year. That's fantastic news. It sounds like you're forecasting or projecting growth for the first half. Speaker 300:17:57Do you feel like we've turned the corner at this point and you can not only get back to some growth, but maybe get back to your historical growth levels or do you think that's going to take a little bit longer? Thank you. Speaker 400:18:09Yes. I think that it's a little hard for us to have a crystal ball on that right now because we're still trying to figure out what's happening out there externally. So we feel very confident that we've gotten back to profitability. We feel very confident that there's growth. The question about historical growth and where the markets are at, that's something that we still need a little more time to see how things shake out. Speaker 400:18:38So that's why we haven't really given a lot of guidance on that. But hopefully over the next quarter or 2 when we get a sense for how this market is turning around, how a lot of our upgrades and our changes are taking effect, we should have a better idea whether we can get back up to those higher growth rates that we've been accustomed to. Speaker 300:19:03Got it. All right. Thank you and congratulations again. Speaker 400:19:06Thank you, Matt. Operator00:19:09Thank you. And there were no other questions from the lines at this time. I would now like to hand the call back to Doctor. Ronnie Morris for closing remarks. Speaker 400:19:26Thank you. Thank you everybody for joining us for our quarterly earnings call. We're excited to get back to profitability. We feel very good about where the business is at right now and cautiously optimistic about where the biotech and the pharma world is going. So with that, we look forward to speaking to everybody to give them our Q1 results in approximately 7 weeks. Speaker 400:19:54So have a good evening, everybody. Thank you for joining us. Operator00:19:59Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.Read morePowered by