ManpowerGroup Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 18, 2024

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to ManpowerGroup's 2nd Quarter Earnings Results Conference Call. You will be put into listen only mode until the question and answer time begins. This call is being recorded. If you care to drop off now, please do so. I would now like to turn the call over to ManpowerGroup's Chairman and CEO, Mr.

Operator

Jonas Priesing. Sir, you may begin.

Speaker 1

Welcome, and thank you for joining us for our Q2 2024 conference call. Our Chief Financial Officer, Jack McGinnis is with me today. For your convenience, we've included our prepared remarks within the Investor Relations section of our website at manpargroup.com. Let's start by going through some of the highlights of the quarter, and Jack will go through the Q2 results and guidance for the Q3 of 2024. We'll then share some concluding thoughts before we start our Q and A session.

Speaker 1

Jack will now cover the Safe Harbor language.

Speaker 2

Good morning, everyone. This conference call includes forward looking statements, including statements concerning economic and geopolitical uncertainty, which are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties. These statements are based on management's current expectations or beliefs. Actual results might differ materially from those projected in the forward looking statements. We assume no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements.

Speaker 2

Slide 2 of our earnings release presentation further identifies forward looking statements made in this call and factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially and information regarding reconciliation of non GAAP measures.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Jack. We are speaking with you today from our global headquarters in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. All eyes are on our city this week as it hosts one of the major events on the U. S. Political calendar.

Speaker 1

Just a few days ago, we were pleased to welcome ambassadors from around the world to a breakfast event. During our time together, we discuss labor market in the countries, particularly as many of them are undergoing shifts in the political landscape. Based on these conversations and with business leaders worldwide, it is evident that we're in rapidly changing times. Geopolitical uncertainty persists, technology continues to advance and the economic rulebook is still being rewritten post pandemic. Still, labor markets remain solid in many areas with relatively low unemployment and layoff activity.

Speaker 1

Our most recent employment outlook survey of over 40,000 employers this spring found that hiring confidence is holding steady at lower levels compared to year ago as economics uncertainty continued to give employers pause and economies in Europe and North America are gradually cooling with inflation moderating. Many large enterprise clients are prioritizing hiring for the core skills they need and holding on to the skilled workers they have. At the same time, while the promise of AI is yet to be realized, it is front of mind for businesses across every industry. We are convinced that the potential of AI at scale will only be realized when it augments human capabilities and skills. Many companies recognize this need and are developing their current workforce, while selectively adding new talent.

Speaker 1

Priority is placed on retaining and attracting workers with specialized flexible skills and an adaptable mindset to adjust to the evolving requirements in the workplace. This focus on workforce development to maximize potential is more evident now than ever. Our business operates at the intersection of worker preferences and employer priorities. Our research tells us that more than 6 in 10 believe AI and machine learning will have a positive impact on business performance and 70% plan to boost upskilling efforts accordingly. Our surveys also tell us that 43% of workers feel neutral or negative about AI's impact on their jobs and futures.

Speaker 1

We have an opportunity to guide both employers and workers through this moment of transformation. Through our partnerships with clients, we believe this is a significant opportunity for us. Finding skilled talent and bridging the skills gaps across industries with our Manpower Mypath and Experis Academy training programs. While we have seen a growing focus on workforce retention and development, we have not yet seen the inflection point of widespread demand improvement.

Speaker 3

But we

Speaker 1

have seen underlying soft staffing trends broadly stabilized in North America and in Europe with Asia and Latin America continuing to hold up well. We're convinced that our focus on specialized skills in our Manpower business is the right strategy and early results demonstrate increased demand for mid level skills within several key end market verticals such as automotive, aerospace and logistics. Turning to our results. In the Q2, revenue was $4,500,000,000 down 3% year over year in constant currency. Our reported EBITDA for the quarter was $109,000,000 Adjusting for final runoff charges of our Proservia business in Germany, EBITDA was $112,000,000 representing a decrease of 9% in constant currency year over year.

Speaker 1

Reported EBITDA margin was 2.4% and adjusted EBITDA margin was 2.5%. Earnings per diluted share was $1.24 on a reported basis, while earnings per diluted share was $1.30 on an adjusted basis. Adjusted earnings per share decreased 12% year over year in constant currency. Although the environment continues to be challenging, our business and our people are resilient. Our diversified business mix and geographic footprint are serving us well.

Speaker 1

We're confident that our strategies are positioning us well for future profitable growth. We continue to reimagine our workflows and our clients as they adapt to a changing environment. I'll now turn it over to Jack to take you through the results in more detail.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jonas. Revenues in the Q2 came in slightly above the midpoint of our constant currency guidance range. As adjusted, gross profit margin came in slightly below our guidance range on slightly lower than expected permanent recruitment activity. As adjusted, EBITDA was $112,000,000 representing a 9% decrease in constant currency compared to the prior year period. As adjusted, EBITDA margin was 2.5% and came in at the midpoint of our guidance range, representing 20 basis points of decline year over year.

Speaker 2

During the quarter, year over year foreign currency movements had an impact on our results. Foreign currency translation drove a 3.5% unfavorable impact to the U. S. Dollar reported revenue trend in addition to the constant currency decrease of 3%. Organic days adjusted constant currency revenue decreased 4% in the quarter in line with our guidance.

Speaker 2

Turning to the EPS bridge, reported net earnings per share was 1.24 dollars which included $0.06 related to the runoff of our Proservia managed services business in Germany. I am pleased to report the financial impact of the wind down of the Germany Proservia business is now complete and will not impact our results in future quarters. Excluding the Proservia runoff costs, adjusted EPS was $1.30 and came in slightly above the midpoint of our guidance range. Walking from our guidance midpoint, our results include the stronger operational performance of $0.02 lower weighted average shares due to share repurchases in the quarter, which had a positive impact of $0.01 a higher tax rate on country mix, which had a negative impact of $0.03 foreign currency impact that was $0.01 worse than our guidance and interest and other expenses had a positive impact of 0 point 0 $2 Next, let's review our revenues by business line. Year over year on an organic constant currency basis, the Manpower brand declined by 2% in the quarter, the Experis brand declined by 7% and the Talent Solutions brand had a revenue decline of 9%.

Speaker 2

Within Talent Solutions, our RPO business experienced a year over year revenue decline, which was a slight improvement from the trend in the Q1. Our MSP business revenues increased compared to the prior year period, reflecting sequential improvement from the Q1 trend. While Right Management also experienced year over year revenue growth on higher outplacement volumes in the quarter. Looking at our gross profit margin in detail, our gross margin came in at 17.4% for the quarter. Staffing margin contributed 10 basis point reduction due to mix shifts and lower volumes, while pricing remained solid.

Speaker 2

Permanent recruitment, including Town Solutions RPO, contributed 50 basis point GP margin reduction as permanent hiring activity in the Q2 decreased year over year. During the quarter, we saw a greater than expected slowing in permanent recruitment, particularly in Europe, contributing to a slightly higher drag on our gross profit margin. Flight Management career transition within Talent Solutions contributed 10 basis points of improvement as outplacement activity continued to be solid in the 2nd quarter. Other items resulted in a 10 basis point margin increase. Moving on to our gross profit by business line.

Speaker 2

During the quarter, the Manpower brand comprised 60% of gross profit. Our Experis Professional business comprised 24% and talent solutions comprised 16%. During the quarter, our consolidated gross profit decreased by 6% on an organic constant currency basis year over year, representing an improvement from the 9% decline in the Q1. Our Manpower brand reported an organic gross profit decrease of 4% in constant currency year over year, an improvement from the 6% decline in the Q1. Gross profit in our experienced brand decreased 7% in organic constant currency year over year, an improvement from the 16% decrease in the Q1.

Speaker 2

Gross profit and talent solutions decreased 11% in organic constant currency year over year, representing a stable trend from the Q1. Although RPO volumes were slightly lower in the 2nd quarter compared to the previous quarter, MSP delivered an improved GP trend from the Q1, while Right Management achieved GP growth on solid outplacement activity. Reported SG and A expense in the quarter was 685,000,000 dollars Excluding the runoff of our Germany Proservia business, SG and A was 5% lower year over year on a constant currency basis. This reflects an average organic headcount during Q2 that was an 11% reduction compared to the year earlier period. We expect our digitization strategy focused on transporting back office functions will drive further cost efficiencies and our corporate expenses reflect this investment.

Speaker 2

These strategic investments are progressing nicely and are expected to drive medium and long term productivity and efficiency enhancements across our technology and finance functions worldwide from shared service centers leveraging leading global technology platforms. The underlying year over year SG and A decreases largely consisted of reductions in operational costs of 36,000,000 dollars and currency changes of $20,000,000 Adjusted SG and A expenses as a percentage of revenue represented 15% in constant currency in the 2nd quarter. The final Proservia Germany runoff expense represented $2,000,000 The Americas segment comprised 24% of consolidated revenue. Revenue in the quarter was $1,100,000,000 representing an increase of 5% compared to the prior year period on a constant currency basis. OUP was $45,000,000 and OUP margin was 4.2%.

Speaker 2

The U. S. Is the largest country in the Americas segment, comprising 65% of segment revenues. Revenues in the U. S.

Speaker 2

Was $697,000,000 during the quarter, representing a 2% days adjusted decrease compared to the prior year. OUP for our U. S. Business was $27,000,000 in the quarter, representing an increase of 16% after adjusting the prior year for minor restructuring costs. OUP margin was 3.9%.

Speaker 2

Within the U. S, the Manpower brand comprised 24% of gross profit during the quarter. Revenue for the Manpower brand in the U. S. Decreased 2% during the quarter, which was an improvement from the 13% decline in the Q1.

Speaker 2

The Experis brand in the U. S. Comprised 47% of gross profit in the quarter. Within Experis in the U. S, IT skills comprise approximately 90% of revenues.

Speaker 2

Experis U. S. Revenue decreased 3% days adjusted during the quarter, an improvement from the 6% decline in the Q1. The U. S.

Speaker 2

Experis business experienced significant healthcare IT go live project volumes in the Q2 that are not expected to recur into the Q3. Account Solutions in the U. S. Contributed 29% of gross profit and experienced revenue decline of 2% in the quarter, stable from the 2% decline in the Q1. RPO revenue declines in the U.

Speaker 2

S. Reflected a further softening of permanent hiring programs in the Q2 compared to the Q1. The U. S. MSP business accomplished a solid revenue increase representing an improvement from the Q1, while outpace and activity within our right management business experienced stable trends year over year.

Speaker 2

In the Q3 of 2024, we expect revenue decline to be slightly higher than the Q2 decline for our overall U. S. Business, largely due to the completion of the Healthcare IT Go Live projects in the 2nd quarter. Southern Europe revenue comprised 46 percent of consolidated revenue in the quarter. Revenue in Southern Europe was 2,100,000,000 dollars representing a 4% decrease in constant currency.

Speaker 2

OUP for our Southern Europe business was $83,000,000 in the quarter and OUP margin was 4%. France revenue comprised 56% of the Southern Europe segment in the quarter and decreased 6% in days adjusted constant currency. OUP for our France business was $40,000,000 in the quarter, representing a decrease of 18% on a constant currency basis. OUP margin was 3.4%. Activity to date in July 2024 is largely consistent with trends experienced in the Q2.

Speaker 2

We are estimating the year over year constant currency revenue trend in the Q3 for France to reflect a slight improvement in the rate of decline from the Q2 trend based on the step down in the prior year period. Revenue in Italy equaled $435,000,000 in the 2nd quarter, reflecting a decrease of 4% on a days adjusted constant currency basis. OUP equaled $34,000,000 and OUP margin was 7.8%. We estimate that Italy will also have a slightly improved constant currency revenue trend in the 3rd quarter compared to the 2nd quarter. Our Northern Europe segment comprised 18% of consolidated revenue in the quarter.

Speaker 2

Revenue of $837,000,000 represented a 12% decline in constant currency. As adjusted to exclude the Runoff Proservia Germany business, OUP was $1,000,000 and OUP margin was 0.1%. Our largest market in the Northern Europe segment is the UK, which represented 35% of segment revenues in the quarter. During the quarter, UK revenues decreased 15% on a days adjusted constant currency basis. This reflects a slight worsening in the rate of decline from the first quarter on the same basis.

Speaker 2

We expect a slightly improved rate of revenue decline in the 3rd quarter compared to the 2nd quarter. In Germany, revenues decreased 18% in days adjusted constant currency in the quarter. Our German business revenue trend was impacted by select plant closures in the automotive sector during the Q2. As previously reported, the financial impact of the wind down of our Proservia managed service business in Germany was completed during the quarter. In the Q3, we are expecting an improved year over year revenue decline compared to the Q2.

Speaker 2

The Asia Pacific Middle East segment comprises 12% of total company revenue. In the quarter, revenues equaled $541,000,000 representing a decrease of 1% in organic constant currency. OUP was $25,000,000 and OUP margin was 4.6%. Our largest market in the APME segment is Japan, which represented 51% of segment revenues in the quarter. Revenue in Japan grew 9% on a day's adjusted constant currency basis.

Speaker 2

We remain very pleased with the consistent performance of our Japan business and we expect continued strong revenue growth in the 3rd quarter. I'll now turn to cash flow and balance sheet. In the Q2, similar to the prior year seasonal dynamic, free cash flow represented an outflow of $150,000,000 during the quarter and compares to a cash outflow of $177,000,000 in the prior year. As in the prior year, the outflow was driven by the timing of payables and timing of payments within our large MSP business. At quarter end, day sales outstanding decreased by about 3 days to 56 days.

Speaker 2

During the Q2, capital expenditures represented $12,000,000 During the Q2, we repurchased 371,000 shares of stock for $27,000,000 As of June 30, we have 3,600,000 shares remaining for repurchase under the share program approved in August of 2023. Our balance sheet ended the quarter with cash of 469,000,000 dollars and total debt of $1,100,000,000 Net debt equaled $630,000,000 at quarter end. Our debt ratios at quarter end reflect total gross debt to trailing 12 months adjusted EBITDA of 2.3 and total debt to total capitalization at 34%. Our debt and credit facility arrangements remain unchanged during the quarter as displayed in the appendix of this presentation. Next, I'll review our outlook for the Q3 of 2024.

Speaker 2

Based on trends in the Q2 July activity to date, our forecast anticipates that the 3rd quarter will continue to be challenging in North America and Europe. Our forecast for Q3 also Our forecast for Q3 also anticipates ongoing low levels of permanent recruitment activity. With that said, we are forecasting earnings per share for the Q3 to be in the range of 1.25 dollars to $1.35 The guidance range also includes an unfavorable foreign currency impact of $0.05 per share and our foreign currency translation rate estimates are disclosed at the bottom of the guidance slide. Our constant currency revenue guidance range is between a decrease of 4% and flat and at the midpoint is a 2% decrease. Although the impact of net dispositions is slight, there are slightly more working days in the Q3 this year, contributing to 1% additional decrease on an organic days adjusted constant currency basis, representing a 3% decrease at the midpoint.

Speaker 2

This represents a slight improvement compared to the 2nd quarter trend on the same basis. EBITDA margin for the 3rd quarter is projected to be flat at the midpoint compared to the prior year. We estimate that the effective tax rate for the Q3 will be 34%, which reflects the overall mix effect of lower earnings from lower tax geographies in the current environment. As usual, our guidance does not incorporate restructuring charges or additional share repurchases, and we estimate our weighted average shares to be 48,500,000. Our guidance also does not include the impact of non cash hyperinflationary balance sheet related currency translation adjustment for our Argentina business and we will report that separately if it is a meaningful amount.

Speaker 2

I will now turn it back to Jonas. Thank you, Jack.

Speaker 1

We are committed to adjusting our portfolio, managing costs while making strategic investments in areas we predict will shift the needle. We remain confident in our diversification, digitization and innovation strategy and are making good progress. In digitization, we see the potential for AI to produce new workflows, streamline processes and improve the candidate experience. We're already making progress in these efforts with pilots in our recruited platforms where we're integrating Gen AI prompts and taking a learn, adapt and scale approach. Our rich global data will fuel better insights for our clients and candidates And the work we're doing to consolidate data globally and reskill workers in the age of AI is a critical step in building a foundation that is future fit.

Speaker 1

We know our clients value our expertise in this area and turn to us for guidance. In May, we showcased our innovations at Viva Tech in Paris, the premier European Tech and Start Up Conference. Over 100 clients visited our ManpowerGroup France headquarters to discuss the transformation of recruiting and how human capabilities are at the heart of how the future of work will evolve in the AI era. We know clients choose to work with us because our strong brands Manpower, Experis and Talent Solutions are proven global leaders. In June, Talent Solutions was named a global leader in recruitment process outsourcing by Everest Group for the 14th year.

Speaker 1

Everest recognized our strong bridging and strategy, the quality of our recruiters and continued investment in innovation. Our consecutive recognitions prove that we are consistent in the quality of our services and delivery strength, new accolades show we are committed to pushing ourselves to achieve more. Recently, we were named by Time Magazine as the World's Most Sustainable Company, the only company or industry to be recognized and in the top 10 for professional services. For us, sustainability is not a trend or marketing slogan. So by growing our business in partnership with our clients, while helping people be successful and also caring for the planet, which is vital for our shared future prosperity.

Speaker 1

Job seekers, clients and partners choose to work with us because of these values and this recognition is a result of our sustainability champions data driven approach worldwide as we strive for more transparent reporting and higher global standards year after year. With that, I'd like to close by thanking our clients, candidates and investors for placing their trust in us and our people for dedicating their time and skills to us. Operator, please open the line for Q and A.

Operator

Thank

Speaker 4

focusing first on the U. S. You talked about some of the trends in the Q2 versus the Q3. I know you highlighted kind of the go live project and experience that if I take that out, it looks like the trends will be relatively flattish at least on a year over year comparative basis. Can we just get a little bit more color what's going on in the U.

Speaker 4

S. In terms of the underlying growth there, what your customers are saying, etcetera?

Speaker 1

Good morning, Jeff. Yes, we were very pleased to see the U. S. Come in a bit better in the second quarter. But as you correctly point out, the underlying activities as we project into the Q3 really emphasizes stability.

Speaker 1

And we had some good movement in Manpower and Experis and also in Talent Solutions in the U. S. And we expect that stability to continue. We don't see this at the time of a as an inflection point, but broadly seeing stabilization is positive, because we feel that the markets have stabilized and that we are able to get some new opportunities in the market, although demand still remains soft in the U. S.

Speaker 4

All right, great. If I could shift over to just worldwide perm, you specifically focused on some of the perm weakness in Europe, maybe we can get a little bit color what's going on there and are you seeing anything similar in perm in North America? Thanks.

Speaker 1

We are seeing stabilization also in perm in North America and in the UK as well. But broadly, I would say perm has come down a little bit more. So it's slightly softer in the Q2 than it was in the Q1. And when you think about it, it's really playing out in terms of the industry and market dynamics the way you'd expect. Employer confidence is still fragile and that means hiring will come down slightly and they will prioritize when resources are needed, temporary staffing for manpower or having additional IT consultants for Experis.

Speaker 1

So you can see that the staffing business across our brands is holding up better than per. Yes. And Jeff, this is Jack.

Speaker 2

I would just add to that Perm. As we ended the Q1, we saw that Perm was stronger in Europe. And I'd say the development during the Q2 was we saw Europe particularly coming down a bit softer in perm. And I'd say the 2 markets I would call out where it did soften noticeably sequentially, I would say would be France and Italy, 2 of our larger businesses where we have good perm activities. But as Jonas said, I think the U.

Speaker 2

S. Was more in line with our expectations in terms of perm, but I'd say in Europe it was a bit softer.

Speaker 4

I appreciate the color. Thanks so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Kartik Mehta with Northcoast Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning.

Speaker 2

I wanted to ask

Speaker 5

a little bit about the pricing environment. I think you indicated that it's still stable. And 1, are you at all surprised that the market is still stable considering the pressure that's put on revenue? And I'm also wondering on the permanent side, if you're seeing any kind of pricing pressure?

Speaker 1

Good morning, Kartik. I would say that pricing remains rational. It's always a competitive environment. And the reason we think pricing remains stable is that the underlying labor markets remain solid in almost all of the geographies where we operate. So demand and access to talent is still restrained to some degree.

Speaker 1

And we have seen a moderation of course in wage inflation across the geographies, but the pricing environment and the attractiveness of talent means that we've been able to maintain our pricing discipline. And as I mentioned, it is rational overall. We also see that price rationality and stability reflected in our fees on the perm side. It's just that demand for the perm placements is down. And we can see that as an effect of both weakness on the demand side.

Speaker 1

And as Jack just mentioned, most of that weakness, the softening that we saw came out of Europe. But we've also seen it from a candidate perspective. So candidates are less open to changing. So it takes us longer to move candidates into the opportunities. And that's really just a reflection of a degree of uncertainty about what's to come.

Speaker 1

And it's also very typical for this kind of phase of the economic cycle.

Speaker 5

And then just your perspective on France, obviously elections occurred there a little bit of a change in the political environment and then the Olympics. I'm wondering if either of those are going to have an impact on your business or your outlook on the impact on the business because of those things?

Speaker 1

Well, first I'd like to say Kartik, we have elections happening all the time. Of course, in this year, we have a lot of elections going on in various parts of the world. And we have a great track record of being able to work with whatever color or version of politics is eventually represented in the government. Clearly, the situation in France is somewhat different because France will either have an interim government that is managing through a split assembly, a minority government that is looking for support either from the extreme left or from the extreme right or a broader majority government that's coalition of a little bit of left center as well as right. And that causes some uncertainty in France.

Speaker 1

And the area where we see that mostly reflected is going to be in perm hiring. And we saw some of that already emerge. But by the same token, when employers need talent, then they will look for other more flexible options. And I think that's also what we're seeing in France. So it is an environment that is a little bit different.

Speaker 1

In the short term, we don't think it's going to have an impact. We're not at this point too concerned with any legislation ideas that may come. We think to be issue in France is mostly a uncertainty on which direction the country is going. Short term, we think this is managed to pull and then once a new government is established, we better understand the policies that they will pursue, then we'll know a bit more. And as to the Olympics, I think we could expect a little bit of support there and that it could be a little bit of a bump for our French activity.

Speaker 1

But remember, the Olympics are really impacting the Greater Paris region only and it's only for 3 weeks. So whilst we could expect to see an increase in activity, we think it's going to be relatively limited.

Speaker 5

Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Kavi.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mark Marcon with Baird. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. With regards to, Experis, we did see some improvement in terms of the year over year decline in the U. S. In terms of going from 6% to 3%.

Speaker 6

But you did mention that it was driven by this big healthcare project, which is coming down. So if we strip out that big healthcare project, what's the underlying trend and how are you feeling about Experis business, both in the U. S. And then globally?

Speaker 1

Thanks, Mark. Overall, we feel very good about how experience is positioned. And of course, seeing that underlying stability in 2 of our biggest markets in the UK and notably in the U. S, we see as positive based on the headwinds that we've seen now in the sector and especially from enterprise clients over the last 12 to 15 months. We feel good about how we are positioned, especially with convenience clients, so small to medium sized companies, they appear to be holding up a little bit better and demand is a little bit better on that side.

Speaker 1

But overall, as we look at the market and the demand situation, we think it's pretty stable in Q2 and we're projecting that stability coming through also into the Q3. So overall stability in the U. S. With opportunities that you saw us take advantage of in the second quarter, projecting the same underlying stability into Q3. Experis globally with the UK stabilizing and other markets stabilizing as well, we think is positive.

Speaker 1

And we've also seen the enterprise demand stabilize at a lower level because that was the main driver of the significant declines that we saw last year. So we have a point where we believe the employers and our clients are pleased with where they are, a little bit in a wait and see position and we are very well positioned to take advantage of an improvement in demand.

Speaker 2

And Mark, I would just add, in terms of the impact it had on the rates, the trend in the revenue trend for Experis in Q2, You mentioned down about 3% days adjusted. I think it was down about 2% rounded on a constant currency basis. The healthcare IT was better than we expected. It was strong in Q1. It was even stronger in Q2.

Speaker 2

It was probably about 2% to 3% of the underlying trend. And if you take that out, it would have been in line with what we were guiding for, because because we didn't anticipate as much of the healthcare IT. So that was a benefit for us. So that helps you in terms of determining what it would have been without that. But as Yonah said, I think once you take it out, our guide was anticipating stable underlying trends.

Speaker 2

Healthcare IT helped lift it further. But if

Speaker 1

you take that out, I

Speaker 2

think the business is fairly stable at this point.

Speaker 6

Great. And then can you Jack, this is a question I always have is this perm as a percentage of gross profit, where does that come in? And how are you thinking about that for the Q3? Because it does sound like perm, particularly with the changes in France, the UK, Italy, in terms of what you're seeing, it might be a little bit lower. So I was just wondering if you could help us there?

Speaker 2

Sure. Perm as a percentage of total GP was 15.7% in Q2, Mark. And I know we talked about that last quarter. It was a bit higher last quarter, about 16.5%, just above 16.5%, And that's because the Q1 is always a seasonal low point for staffing GP. So it just averages in a bit higher.

Speaker 2

But I would say on an overall basis, perm dollars trended sequentially slightly lower than they were in Q1, a bit lower in Europe versus our expectations. But as we think about that 15.7% for Q2, I think that range of about 15.5% is a reasonable range based on what Jonas was referring to in terms of stable trends into the Q3. So I would use that as a bit of an expectation going forward.

Speaker 6

Great. And then lastly, Germany, you've wound up you've wound down Proservia. How should we think about Northern Europe margins? Let's say that things remain relatively stable for at least the next few quarters. How should we think about the underlying improvement in terms of OUP out of Northern Europe?

Speaker 2

Northern Europe, Mark, as you know, is one of the areas where we're seeing the most pressure at the moment. So I'd say the current indication is really a bit of a low point based on the pressure. And I think as we reported, you saw that the Nordics continued to be an area where we're seeing some of the highest degree of pressure year over year. The U. K.

Speaker 2

Certainly continues to be one of those markets as well. But to your point and to your question, I think we talked about Proservia in the Q1 was a drag of about 7,000,000 dollars to our consolidated results. Now that that is removed, that gives you a bit of an indication of segment on segment on an overall basis. So I think it removes a pretty significant drag that we had in the business. We feel really good about our Germany about the prospects for our Germany business going forward.

Speaker 2

It's performing fairly well in the automotive sector today. Germany, of course, is seeing some overall manufacturing weakness. But I think based on the relative trends in terms of the industry overall, I think we feel good about our opportunities in Germany. So as we go forward, it removes a pretty significant drag and will move Northern Europe back to profitability. Once we continue to ease out of this slump that we're in currently and we start to see more traditional trends reemerge for manufacturing and so forth.

Speaker 2

And so Northern Europe will be able to surpass where we've been on profitability before the downturn as we go forward.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Manav Patnaik with Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Hi, thanks for taking my question. This is Princely Thomas on Permanente. I just wanted to see if you could talk further about what's driving the greater than expected slowing in perm recruitment? And specifically, if there's any specific verticals that are impacted more than others that you'd call out?

Speaker 2

Ruchi, thanks for the question. Really, it is pretty straightforward. As I mentioned, Europe, I'd say the perm softening in Q2 was really more pronounced in Europe. As we ended Q1, Europe was stronger in perm. And that really started to reverse in the Q2.

Speaker 2

So the 2 bigger markets for us where we saw perm edge down slightly sequentially, I would say would be France and Italy. Those really were the main drivers. From a sector perspective, I think as Jonas mentioned more broadly, in countries like France, we saw a bit of a broader pullback in perm. I wouldn't say it's isolated to any specific sector. I think it's more employer confidence and he talked about main drivers.

Speaker 2

I wouldn't necessarily call out any specific change from an industry perspective over the last quarter.

Speaker 7

Got it. Thanks. And any intra quarter trends around Enterprise Tech and Financial Staffing sector that you'd call out?

Speaker 2

No, I think from a sector perspective, Prentiss, I think generally the trends that we talked about last quarter are for the most part holding kind of in line with the trends in terms of stability overall. What that means in the scheme of things is auto continues to be more solid. Auto although auto has been leveling off a bit, it is still holding up better than the rest of manufacturing. I would say the manufacturing sector ex auto continues to be much more sluggish. And to your point, enterprise tech, although it has stabilized, it continues to be an area of very sluggish demand and running at stable levels, but lower levels, of course, overall.

Speaker 2

And I think maybe the last one to your point, financial services. Although financial services was a bit of a strength from a sector perspective a year ago, Towards the end of 2023 and here in the first half of twenty twenty four, we've seen financial services pull back a bit. So financial services has been trending a bit weaker. With that being said, I think as we mentioned in our prepared remarks, one area that has been a strength is Healthcare IT and we certainly saw that in the U. S.

Speaker 2

Business in the first half of this year. Maybe one other one would be Aerospace has been strong in Europe, in France particularly. But I'd say that's pretty much the roundup from a sector perspective.

Speaker 7

Appreciate the color.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Josh Chan with UBS. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Hi, good morning, Jonas and Jack. Thanks for taking my questions. I was just wondering if you could speak broadly about the trends over in Europe. I think kind of going into the quarter, there were some concerns that maybe there will be some incremental softening in Europe in the second half. But it sounds like from your guidance in Q3, France, Italy, UK, it doesn't seem like you're seeing any incremental softening.

Speaker 8

So just kind of curious what you're seeing kind of on the ground in Europe? Thank you.

Speaker 1

I think you've described it well, Josh. You have a couple you have the France, which is slightly weaker, but you had Italy that did a little bit better. We always expected Northern Europe to be the most challenging and that turned out to be true, especially in the Nordics. We saw some continued weakness. But stepping back from it all, you are seeing Europe as stable in terms of our activity at a lower level.

Speaker 1

And we've now seen a first rate decline this morning and the ECB decided to hold the rates steady. The inflation rate in Europe is coming down. So underlying inflation rate is about 2.9% coming down. The U. S.

Speaker 1

Is at 3.3%. So everything that we would expect to see happening in this economic cycle is sort of playing out. The economy is cooling, labor markets are cooling though remain solid and we are seeing it impact our markets in terms of the demand for temporary staffing and of course a bigger impact on permanent. All of these are dynamics that we would expect to see in an economic cycle and frankly it's playing out the way we have navigated challenging times like this before. So although we don't see an inflection point at this time, we're hopeful that it's not a question of if, it's a question of when the inflection point occurs.

Speaker 1

And our task is of course to stay ready for the upturn and manage the current environment at the same time. And we do that by investing in sales resources to generate demand above and beyond what the market gives us, managing our SG and A and really doubling down on the investments and transformation. So during this time, we've increased our effort on the digital transformation sites in the front office, the back office, and we're making some excellent progress also from a client facing and candidate facing properties such as mobile and web. And that we think is going to be really good for us going forward because it really means we have a unique and global digitized technology infrastructure, which will help us implement, of course, innovation, gen AI and other aspects as well as well as driving common processes across our business globally.

Speaker 8

That's good color. Thank you for that Jonas. And then maybe a margin question Q3. I think normally the business has a seasonal margin uptick in going from Q2 to Q3, but that seems to be more muted this year. Just curious what are some of the offsets that's causing the stable margins going from Q2 to Q3?

Speaker 8

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Josh, yes, I think you're right. In normal environments, you generally will see the second half be a bit of a better margin opportunity. I'd say last year that didn't happen. Last year we went down in GP margin from Q2 to Q3. Of course, we were seeing declining trends, as part of that.

Speaker 2

And I think the big part of the equation perm right coming down. And I'd say it's similar this year. I think we're not coming down sequentially. Q2 to Q3, we're holding at that 17.4%. So what that really means is we're seeing perm level off starting to stabilize into the mix, kind of going back to the question we had earlier in terms of the expectations for the perm mix as total GP.

Speaker 2

So that's what's happening with GP margin. So that 17.4% is the midpoint of our guide for Q3. So I'd say stable overall. I would expect as we start to see improving trends, you'll see perm start to pick up again and that will give us some opportunities for increases in GP margin as the mix starts to move back in. And then of course, as Experis and Talent Solutions start to get back to growth, you'll see them average in, in the mix at larger percentages as well and that will improve the GP margin when the recovery starts to take hold.

Speaker 2

So, those are some of the dynamics in terms of the margin overall, but I'd say really what we're seeing Q2 and Q3 is really more stable underlying trends. And I think that means for the mix as well and that's why you're seeing the GP margin hold fairly stable.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you, Jack, and thank you both for your time.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jack.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Trevor Romeo with William Blair. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Hi, good morning. Thanks so much for taking the questions. First one, I kind of just wanted to follow-up on the U. S. A bit.

Speaker 3

I think we talked about Experis. But on the Manpower brand in the U. S, it was a pretty nice improvement in the trend for revenue from that, I think, down 13% last quarter to down 2% this quarter. So just curious if there was anything in particular you'd call out there, whether it's specific verticals or client groups that are performing a bit better or does seem like you're starting to see signs of a little bit of a broad improvement there?

Speaker 2

Yes, Trevor, thanks for the question. I'd say the thing to keep in mind with the Manpower business, very similar to the Experis business was Q2 a year ago was the weakest point in terms of overall year over year decline. So we're lapping that and that's part of the equation. We did go from minus 13 to minus 2. So I think we've seen some very good progress in the Manpower business in the U.

Speaker 2

S. Again, but in line with what Jonas was talking about in terms of stable on an underlying basis. So that stable progress we've been making is walking into improved trends year over year. And with that being said, I think we feel really good about the prospects for the U. S.

Speaker 2

Manpower business. There's been some very significant wins that are in the pipeline. I think in this environment, it's always a question of when those wins materialize, but we're working through that. And so we're very encouraged by that. The U.

Speaker 2

S. Business been working very hard on their pipeline. So I think we feel really good about the prospects. I think it's going to come down to employer behavior and when they start recommencing some of their programs before we start to see that manifest itself into a meaningful improved trend. I think in the meantime, we're expecting more stability in the underlying volumes into Q3.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thanks, Jack. That's helpful color. And then just quick follow-up on Northern Europe. It seems like maybe the Netherlands and Belgium are continuing to hold up a bit better than some of the other countries in that region.

Speaker 3

Just curious if you could talk about what you're seeing there, whether it's kind of just a little bit better market environment than some of the other countries or something specific that Manpower is doing to execute well there?

Speaker 1

I think the underlying situation remains that the markets remain very challenging both in Netherlands and Belgium. Our teams there are doing a good job. They're holding the line. They're performing a bit better than market, which is a testament to the investments that we've made in sales and building some of that sales pipeline. But the overall market is still challenged and they are still really trying to get back to a position of year over year growth over time.

Speaker 1

So I would say the teams are doing well. We see stability and slight improvement in those markets and we're projecting that stability continue also into the Q3. But the teams are doing a good job in those markets.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you both very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Stephanie Moore with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Hi, good morning. Thank you. I wanted to go back to some comments that were made kind of early in your prepared remarks, specifically talking about how your clients are prioritizing hiring for kind of the core skills they need. You made a point to kind of highlight the priority placed in retaining an attractive workers who specialized in flexible skills, particularly with the onset of AI and technology innovations and the like. So I'm just trying to kind of maybe dig into those comments a little bit more.

Speaker 9

So are you from your conversations with employers, are they simply able to get by with less employees because of the skill sets they hired the last few years and their own technology expectations. I guess I'm just trying to rationalize this current environment and simply employer hesitancy because of the lack of confidence in the economy and what also could be just a structural hiring mindset change that we're seeing right now. So any color there would be great.

Speaker 1

Sure. And so Stephanie, I think what employers are prioritizing right now is retaining their existing workforce. They have a very painful memory in the U. S. Of a major workforce dislocation during the pandemic, a huge spike in unemployment and great difficulties finding talent with very strong wage inflation, the 2 years following the pandemic.

Speaker 1

And so they hired a lot of people, paid a lot of money at high wages to bring those people in and they've been through all of the changes that you've seen in the economy during the pandemic, post pandemic, spike of inflation. So their priority is to retain the workforce that they have and develop that workforce. Then they decide that they have seen a buildup of inventories in many cases in advance of in response to the shortages you saw during COVID. So from a manufacturing perspective and a PMI is below 50 both here in the U. S.

Speaker 1

And further below in Europe, they're now working off that inventory they built up to be able to satisfy significant orders that they had received during the pandemic and post pandemic. So they're working off those inventories. They are servicing the markets and their client markets with the staff that they have. Of course, they are still maintaining temporary staff as well as consultants from Manpower and Experis just as we are seeing. They're just not increasing them to any noticeable degree because they can manage in this current environment.

Speaker 1

And although our economic growth in the U. S. Is still good, if you look at various sectors, you see that manufacturing has a tough time and many other industries have a tough time. The areas that are really generating growth are in government, it's in healthcare, to some degree still hospitality, because the consumers are still strong and purchasing experiences more than goods, although consumers are trading down just as you would expect in a cooling economy. So I would not see this as a structural change in hiring.

Speaker 1

Frankly, when I look across the world and I look at what other regions are doing, where the economic cycle is playing out, be it the continued good evolution in Latin America and in Asia Pacific. We see hiring demand on temporary and on permanent should adjust as we would expect we would in those kinds of economic environments. The economic downturn in Europe really started at the beginning of 2022 and our industry has seen that inflection point play out just as we have seen in other cycles. Maybe with a bit of a lag on the perm side for a bit longer, but now we're seeing stability on the staffing side, a little bit more pressure on perm. And frankly, we would expect the same traditional dynamics to play out also here in the U.

Speaker 1

S. When we see a more stable environment, manufacturing returns and overall employer confidence start to improve as well. Staffing starting to move before perm and then perm follows after that as the payrolls are being added to on a permanent basis, whether it be in commercial staffing or in professional staffing. So we don't see this as a structural shift. We really see this as the dynamics playing out as we would expect them to.

Speaker 1

The anomalies, I think, come from the fact as we look at our industry in the U. S. In particular, that we had a long period of very good and strong growth. And we as an industry saw a downturn almost 20 months ago without a recession. And I think the last 6 months, we've seen the traditional dynamics play out, a cooling labor market, a cooling economic growth.

Speaker 1

As an industry, we've seen some cooling and then stabilization. So all of this for us indicates that this is traditional staffing industry dynamics playing out just in slow motion here in the U. S. And we feel good about how we're positioned for when the economy and the underlying elements of the economy really start to stabilize and move in a positive direction for us.

Speaker 9

Got it. No, I think that actually that makes a lot of sense. It's very clear. I'm curious when you kind of have your conversations with a lot of these employers or your customers and they kind of just talk about everything that you just outlined, which is very clear. Do they give any indication of what level of maybe underlying macro improvements that would require them to be a little bit more aggressive on their hiring.

Speaker 9

I think at this point, to your you have they did hire quite a good number of people. They had to pay a lot for those employees. They're trying to now those employees are becoming even more tenured in these positions. I'm just wondering, in the eventual recovery, which I'm sure we'll see at some point, how strong of a recovery are we going to need to see for there to be kind of a material pickup in kind of demand again, if that makes sense?

Speaker 1

Well, I think it's hard to say what kind of curve we would think about. But I would say this, the inflection points can be many different things. We have geopolitical uncertainties. We have elections going on in various parts of the world. We have an expectation of interest rate declines here in the U.

Speaker 1

S. The ECB, as I mentioned earlier, has started, of course, the first rate decrease since 2019. The expectations are that the Fed would do the same. So it could be 1 or the other of all of these things put together that really start to kick start it. And I would say from a manufacturing perspective, many of the clients that we've spoken to are working off excess inventory that they accumulated in response to this glut of orders that came out during and after the pandemic.

Speaker 1

And many of the clients that we talked to say that, no, this is something that we expect to largely have worked through over the course of 2024. And with the external macro indicators that I mentioned and that in combination makes us believe that we'll see some improvement, but the slope of that improvement is very hard to predict. I think it will very much depend on the industry that you're in and what each of those industries are seeing in terms of opportunities.

Speaker 9

Great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. And we have time for one last question. And that question comes from Andrew Steinerman with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Hi, good morning. This is Stephanie Yee stepping in for Andrew. I have a similar question kind of to the last question, but we have seen this disconnect between U. S. Temporary help being down and GDP and non farm payroll being up in the U.

Speaker 10

S. It sounds like, correct me if I'm wrong, that maybe the biggest driver in your opinion is full time labor hoarding. Do you think that fully reverses when things improve? And also, are you seeing that same hoarding dynamic in France?

Speaker 1

Thanks for the question, Stephanie. No, as I just explained, we don't think this is a structural shift in hiring dynamics. We think this is an effect of pandemic anomalies that we really expect to see normalizing. And frankly, over the last 6 months, we've really seen what we would characterize as a normalization of the trends that we would expect. That also of course does not explain the preceding 14 months.

Speaker 1

But frankly, I think your comment on labor hoarding or the fatigue that employers have in terms of having had to hire so many people under such difficult circumstances post pandemic really makes them hesitate when it comes to any major shifts in their current workforce. And as they look out, the likelihood of a deeper recession appears to be becoming less likely, even a lighter recession maybe is less likely and a soft landing is likely would give them even more reason to say, look, whatever softness we're seeing right now, we'll just tough it out and we will be very careful with our overall expenses, reduce SG and A, not replace levers to the degree that we would have, not start projects as aggressively as maybe we would like to do during the transformation and live what we have for now. But all that being said, we expect the traditional industry dynamics to kick back in once they feel that the environment their environment improves, that they're confident it's going to be sustainable. And that's I think when we as an industry and also of course from our perspective from Manpower, Experis and Talend Solutions could see some of that.

Speaker 1

We've seen that stabilization that we've been hoping for over the Q2. We're projecting the same into the 3rd and we are making sure we are ready for when the inflection point comes so that we can take advantage of it and really get going on some improved profitable revenue growth.

Speaker 10

Okay, very clear. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 1

And that brings us to the close of our 2nd quarter earnings call. Thanks again for all of your interest and questions. We look forward to speaking with you again in our Q3 earnings call in a number of months from now. Until then, enjoy the rest of the summer. Keep watching Milwaukee shine in all of the various media coverage that I'm sure you're seeing.

Speaker 1

And we look forward to speaking with you again soon. Thanks everyone.

Operator

Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a great day.

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