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Earnings HistoryForecast Enova International EPS ResultsActual EPS$2.21Consensus EPS $2.07Beat/MissBeat by +$0.14One Year Ago EPS$1.57Enova International Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$628.44 millionExpected Revenue$622.92 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$5.52 millionYoY Revenue Growth+25.80%Enova International Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date7/23/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, July 23, 2024Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsEnova International's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, April 29, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Enova International Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 23, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the Inova International Second Quarter 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Operator00:00:28Lindsey Savarese, Investor Relations for Enova. Please go ahead, ma'am. Speaker 100:00:33Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Enova released results for the Q2 2024 ended June 30, 2024, this afternoon after market close. If you did not receive a copy of our earnings press release, you may obtain it from the Investor Relations section of our website at ir.enova.com. With me on today's call are David Fisher, Chief Executive Officer and Steve Cunningham, Chief Financial Officer. This call is being webcast and will be archived on the Investor Relations section of our website. Speaker 100:01:09Before I turn the call over to David, I'd like to note that today's discussion will contain forward looking statements and as such is subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially as a result from various important risk factors, including those discussed in our earnings press release and in our annual report on Form 10 ks, quarterly reports on Forms 10 Q and current reports on Forms 8 ks. Please note that any forward looking statements that are made on this call are based on assumptions as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events. In addition to U. S. Speaker 100:01:51GAAP reporting, Enova reports certain financial measures that do not conform to generally accepted accounting principles. We believe these non GAAP measures enhance the understanding of our performance. Reconciliations between these GAAP and non GAAP measures are included in the tables found in today's press release. As noted in our earnings release, we have posted supplemental financial information on the IR portion of our website. And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to David. Speaker 200:02:24Thanks, and good afternoon, everyone. I appreciate you joining our call today. I'll begin with an overview of our Q2 results, and then I'll discuss our strategy going forward. After that, I'll turn the call over to Steve Cunningham, our CFO, who will discuss our financial results and outlook in more detail. We are pleased to have produced another strong quarter of financial results, driven by the strength of our talented team, our world class machine learning analytics, our flexible online only business model, diversified product offerings and solid balance sheet. Speaker 200:02:59We believe we are in a strong position heading into the back half of twenty twenty four with considerable momentum, a conducive macroeconomic environment and stable credit across our entire product range. In Q2, originations increased 27% year over year and 2% sequentially to $1,400,000,000 Strong demand across both the small business and consumer sides of our business, combined with continued solid credit performance, enabled us to be moderately more aggressive with originations and generate strong year over year growth. As a result of the strong originations growth, our combined loan and finance receivables increased 25% year over year to a record $3,600,000,000 Small Business Products represented 64% of the total portfolio and consumer was 36%. The growth in receivables led to a 26% year over year increase and a 3% sequential increase in revenue to $628,000,000 As a result of strong revenue growth combined with skillful credit management and cost efficiency, adjusted EBITDA in Q2 increased 29% year over year and 9% sequentially to $163,000,000 and adjusted EPS increased 28% year over year and 16% sequentially to $2.21 S and B revenue increased 32% year over year and 6% sequentially to a record $252,000,000 while our consumer revenue increased 22% year over year and 1% sequentially to $368,000,000 Our growth continues to be driven by our diversified product offering and efficient marketing. Speaker 200:05:02In Q2, marketing was 19% of our total revenue, in line with our expectations for the quarter and flat to Q2 of last year. As I mentioned, credit quality across our entire portfolio remains solid. Total company net charge offs as a percent of average combined loan and finance receivables was 7.7% in Q2 compared to 8.5% last quarter, which remains well below pre pandemic levels. Before closing, I'd like to take a few moments to discuss our strategy and outlook. We're encouraged by the strong start to the first half of the year. Speaker 200:05:42Recently, there's been significant talk from both pundits and our competitors about an uncertain macro environment. But our Q2 performance as well as internal and external data confirm that both our SMB and consumer customers remain on solid footing as our customers continue to benefit from job growth, low unemployment rates, easing inflation and rising real wages. As we've discussed previously, demand and credit in our consumer business are driven largely by jobs and wage growth. The job market continues to be strong with rising wages historically low levels of unemployment. We've been lending profitably for over 20 years during many fluctuations in the job market. Speaker 200:06:33This has included periods in which the unemployment rate has been more than triple where it is today. It's also important to highlight that we're underwriting to customers who are underserved by the mainstream financial institutions. So when you hear the large banks commenting on what they are seeing in their customer bases, it is frequently not applicable to ours. For small businesses, the 2 main drivers of growth are business owners' confidence in the economy and consumer spending. Small businesses continue to show resilience with their outlook remaining positive as they successfully navigate challenges related to inflation and managing cash flow. Speaker 200:07:20In conjunction with AcroLift, we recently released the 2nd iteration of our small business cash flow trend report. This offers key insights into small business cash flow trends, inflation challenges and growth opportunities. Our research shows that small businesses feel increasingly optimistic about future growth as expenses decrease. Further, external data points show optimism as well. In June, we saw U. Speaker 200:07:51S. Small business confidence increase to a 6 month high according to the National Federation of Independent Businesses. As I mentioned, our confidence in the conducive economic environment isn't just theoretical. You can see it in our Q2 results with originations, receivables, revenue, EBITDA and EPS all up 25% or more year over year. While we feel good about the current environment, we believe one of the key reasons we've been able to generate strong results over the years in a variety of economic environments and why we've been able to take market share in the non prime lending landscape is due to our deep experience and expertise, our diversified portfolio and our sophisticated and disciplined approach to managing risk. Speaker 200:08:45We are very disciplined when it comes to our unit economics approach to decisioning. Further, the short duration of our portfolio and nimbleness of our model allows for more controlled outcomes relative to others. These capabilities have enabled us to meaningfully and profitably expand our business and as a result, support both small businesses and consumers their capital needs by offering them safe, transparent and appropriate lending solutions. We also benefit from diversification within our SMB and consumer businesses. Our SMB businesses operate in all 50 states across 900 plus industries and our portfolios diversify within those industries and states with out significant concentration. Speaker 200:09:37On the consumer side, we have a wide breadth of products and segments that services the non prime and subprime consumers. To wrap up, we continue to believe there's significant upside to our valuation given our consistent and strong results, solid balance sheet and business fundamentals. We remain committed to returning capital to our shareholders while still maintaining significant liquidity to generate attractive growth. We ended Q2 with nearly $900,000,000 of total liquidity. This gives us the flexibility to continue to deliver on this commitment to drive long term value for our shareholders. Speaker 200:10:21As we've stated previously, we will continue to explore avenues to unlock shareholder value, but our near term focus is to do so through opportunistic stock buybacks. Overall, we are pleased to have delivered another strong quarter and we believe that we are well positioned to deliver sustainable and profitable long term growth. We are confident that we have the right strategy, products, proven machine learning and credit risk management capabilities and a strong balance sheet in place to build on our success in 2024 and into 2025. And while both internal and external data show positive signs, we are mindful that the macroeconomic environment can change. We remain balanced in our approach to generating growth and managing risk and believe this will allow us to successfully navigate any such changes. Speaker 200:11:18With that, I would like to turn the call over to Steve, who will discuss our financial results and outlook in more detail. And following Steve's remarks, we will be happy to answer any questions you may have. Steve? Speaker 300:11:31Thank you, David, and good afternoon, everyone. We're pleased to report another quarter of strong growth and strong top and bottom line financial results that were in line or better than our expectations. A constructive operating environment has resulted in solid demand, stable credit and cost effective access to capital, while our diversified product offerings, scalable operating model and world class risk management capability continue to enable our consistent and differentiated financial performance. Turning to our 2nd quarter results. Total company revenue of $628,000,000 increased 26% from the Q2 of 2023 as total company combined loan and finance receivables balances on an amortized basis increased 25% from the end of the Q2 of last year to $3,600,000,000 at June 30. Speaker 300:12:25Total company originations during the Q2 rose 27% in the Q2 of 2023 to just over $1,400,000,000 Revenue from small business lending increased 32% in the Q2 of 2023 to $252,000,000 as small business receivables on an amortized basis ended the quarter at $2,300,000,000 or 28% higher than the end of the Q2 of last year. Small business originations rose 29% year over year to $918,000,000 Revenue from our consumer businesses increased 22% in the Q2 of 2023 to $368,000,000 as consumer receivables on an amortized basis ended the quarter at $1,300,000,000 or 20% higher than the end of the Q2 of 2023. Consumer originations grew 22% in the Q2 of 2023 to $491,000,000 For the Q3, we expect total company revenue to increase more than 5% sequentially, resulting in year over year growth and expected Q3 consolidated revenue in excess of 20%. The expectation will depend upon the level, timing and mix of originations growth during the quarter. Now turning to credit, which is the most significant driver of net revenue and portfolio fair value. Speaker 300:13:56The consolidated net revenue margin of 59% for the 2nd quarter was in line with our expectations and reflects our strong credit trends. Credit in the 2nd quarter reflected our typical consumer seasonality as the total company ratio of net charge offs as a percentage of average combined loan and finance receivables decreased sequentially to 7.7 percent from 8.5% last quarter and was flat compared to a year ago. Additionally, the 2nd quarter net charge operations for both small business and consumer were flat compared to the Q2 of 2023. As a reminder, consumer credit losses typically follow the sequential pattern of portfolio growth through the year, peaking in the 4th quarter and reaching their lowest point during the Q2. We continue to expect credit losses for our consumer portfolio to generally follow the seasonal pattern during 2024, but it will depend upon the timing and level of consumer originations throughout the year. Speaker 300:14:58Expectations for future credit performance remain stable as the consolidated ratio of receivables that were past due 30 days or more at the end of the quarter declined both sequentially and compared to the year ago quarter. In addition, the consolidated consumer and small business fair value premiums were generally unchanged from last quarter, reflecting a stable outlook for future credit performance. Looking ahead, we expect the total company net revenue margin for the Q3 of 2024 to remain in the upper 50% range. This expectation will depend upon portfolio payment performance and the level, timing and mix of originations growth during the Q3. Now turning to expenses. Speaker 300:15:44We continue to see the benefits of our efficient marketing activities, the leverage inherent in our online only model and thoughtful expense management as total operating expenses for the Q2, including marketing, were 34% of revenue compared to 36% of revenue in the Q2 of 2023. 2nd quarter marketing spend remained efficient and was within our expected range. Marketing costs increased $121,000,000 or 19 percent of revenue compared to $96,000,000 or 19 percent of revenue in the Q2 of 2023. We expect marketing expenses will be around 20% of revenue to the Q3, but will depend upon the growth and mix of originations. Operations and technology expenses for the Q2 increased to $55,000,000 or 9% of revenue compared to $47,000,000 or 9% of revenue in the Q2 of 2023, driven by growth in receivables and originations over the past year. Speaker 300:16:47Given the significant variable component of this expense category, sequential increases in O and T costs should be expected in an environment where originations and receivables are growing. It should remain around 9% of total revenue. Our fixed costs continue to reflect our focus on operating efficiency and thoughtful expense management. General and administrative expenses for the Q2 increased to $40,000,000 or 6% of revenue from $36,000,000 or 7% of revenue in the Q2 of 2023. While there may be slight variations from quarter to quarter, we expect G and A expenses in the near term will be around 6% of total revenue. Speaker 300:17:31Our balance sheet and liquidity position remains strong and give us the financial flexibility to successfully navigate a range of operating environments, while delivering on our commitment to drive long term shareholder value through both continued investments in our business and share repurchases. We ended the 2nd quarter with $891,000,000 of liquidity, including $280,000,000 of cash and marketable securities, dollars 611,000,000 of available capacity on debt facilities. Our stable financial and credit performance has allowed us to consistently access funding from a diversified group of lenders and fixed income investors. During the Q2, we completed 3 financing transactions totaling just over $1,000,000,000 with efficient and cost effective terms, including a consumer term securitization, a small business term securitization and the renewal of a warehouse secured by small business receivables. In addition, during the Q2, we acquired more than 1,000,000 shares at a cost of $62,000,000 and we started the Q3 with share repurchase capacity of approximately $30,000,000 under our senior note covenants. Speaker 300:18:45Our cost of funds for the Q2 was steady at 9.3% or roughly 120 basis points higher than the Q2 of 2023, primarily due to higher short term interest rates. While there may be some quarter to quarter variations in the near term, we continue to expect interest expense as a percentage of revenue for the full year 2024 to remain in the 10.5% to 11% range. That being said, the impact of lower market rates in the future could create longer term tailwinds for Enova's profitability. Finally, we continue to deliver solid profitability this quarter as our non GAAP measures of adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS both increased 29% from the Q2 of 2023 to $163,000,000 $2.21 per diluted share, respectively. To wrap up, let me summarize our near term expectations. Speaker 300:19:46For the Q3, we expect consolidated revenue to increase more than 5% sequentially with a net revenue margin in the upper 50% range. Additionally, we expect marketing, O and T and G and A expenses to be around 20%, 9% and 6% of revenue respectively. These expectations should result in sequential growth and adjusted EPS of more than 5%. For the Q4 of 2024, we would expect revenue to increase around 20% compared to the Q4 of 2023. And with stable credit and continued operating leverage, adjusted EPS for the Q4 of 2024 could increase between 20% 25% compared to the Q4 of 2023. Speaker 300:20:35Our expectations for the remainder of this year will depend upon the macroeconomic environment and the resulting impact on demand, customer payment rates and the level of timing and mix of originations growth. In closing, we remain optimistic that the macroeconomic environment will remain constructive. In any event, we're confident in our ability to generate meaningful financial results this year and beyond as we leverage our diversified product offerings, world class machine learning risk management algorithms and nimble online only model to continue to meet customer needs while creating significant value for our shareholders. In addition, our solid balance sheet enables our ability to efficiently fund our growth, while also supporting our ability to return significant capital to shareholders through share repurchases. And with that, we'd be happy to take your questions. Speaker 300:21:29Operator? Operator00:21:31Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer And the first question will come from Moshe Orenbuch with TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:22:18Great. Thanks. Congratulations. Very strong numbers, particularly loan origination and growth. Maybe Steve or David, could you just talk a little bit about competitive environment in each of the major businesses and kind of what obviously you did talk about your strong credit performance, but anything else that's kind of leading you towards that better growth kind of experience and outlook? Speaker 200:22:50Yes, sure. Thanks for the question. I think competitively nothing I would say there's very little has changed. There's haven't been new entrants in the space. We haven't seen any of our trends. Speaker 200:23:12As I mentioned in my comments, certainly over the last couple of quarters, we've heard some lack of confidence, I think, from some of the other players in the space. And it's probably holding them back a bit when I think we're seeing somewhat of the opposite. You kind of mentioned on the credit side, we have a very credit has been very strong. And as we talked about, we think our customer is in a really, really good place. Job growth has remained good. Speaker 200:23:42Wages continue to rise. Inflation is coming down. I think it's a very beneficial place for both consumers and small businesses. So we've been able to grow at kind of very high rates, like at 25% kind of throughout the entire comes from top line to bottom line over the last year without being particularly aggressive. Certainly leaning into the growth and we're not afraid of it, but by no means are we being very aggressive in our approach. Speaker 400:24:17Thanks. Maybe as a follow-up, Steve, you mentioned that the fair value marks were basically flat. I guess they were a little better on the small business side and a little lower on the consumer side. Is there anything to kind of learn from that? Like, are there differences in the products or differences in the way you're doing that and how we should kind of think about that also going forward? Speaker 300:24:40No, I think your takeaway from that is, I mean, we are our product characteristics haven't changed. Our mix is tilted maybe just a little bit towards line of credit, but quarter over quarter, it doesn't move significantly. But I think the stability in the fair value mark is basically telling you that we expect that the portfolio, which are largely dependent on credit, are very, very stable. Speaker 500:25:11Thanks very much. Operator00:25:15Your next question will come from David Scharf with Citizens JMP. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:25:21Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess a couple of things. One question for you Steve on the funding side, since you were in the market last quarter with I guess 3 different transactions for both consumer and SMB. Irrespective of the timing of Fed cuts, can you talk a little bit about just some of the qualitative feedback and spreads, just the price talk? Speaker 600:25:53I'm kind of curious if some of your fixed income investors are kind of sharing your more constructive outlook on your consumer or if spreads are reflecting maybe their broader outlook listening to some other lenders as well? Speaker 300:26:14Yes. I mean, I think there's a couple of things you can look at with our deals, in particular the 2 term deals that we completed, we did both an SMB, small business and a consumer. Both of those trades compared to a year ago, we're nearly a 100 basis points better, with benchmarks that were pretty much the same. Speaker 400:26:36So Speaker 300:26:36that gives you a little bit of an indication of maybe feeling better about the future. But I would also say, and if you just take a look at high yield index is for the unsecured, you can look at our unsecured bonds, even our 20 28 notes that we issued late last year trading well above par indicating some spread compression relative to benchmark. So it feels like the market is constructive And that's, I think, largely based on the outlook that the market is starting to see as it relates to potential rate paths and the impact on the economy and comfort with investing in the fixed income market. Speaker 600:27:22Got it. Great news. And maybe staying on the funding discussion, any update on, I guess, the timing for I believe refiing the 2025 notes is kind of on the front burner. And if there's any kind of visibility into maybe the restricted payments covenant there and whether you may be able to buy back the higher percentage of net income towards buybacks versus the existing covenants? Speaker 300:27:57Yes. I mean, I think like I mentioned last quarter, I think we will continue to be opportunistic as that as those 2025 notes approach the 12 month mark in terms of like going current in September. But I think the current levels even with improved spreads are a touch ahead of the coupon that we have on those bonds. So if we're going to refi them early, we want to make sure we're making a good economic trade off between additional interest expense and as you mentioned, the covenant package that we might get. I think the 2028 notes that we issued late last year, I think that covenant package was more reflective of the company that we are today. Speaker 300:28:44And I would expect that any new issues would largely reflect that same covenant package, at least where we sit today. So in that case, I would think we would have at least the flexibility to do a higher return of our earnings each quarter, so long as we're meeting the restrictions and the covenants under those indentures. Speaker 600:29:09Understood. And then just one last question to clarify on the guidance, it cut out a little. It looks like the full year revenue growth outlook was taken up a bit. I believe it had been sort of high teens. Now it's 20%, give or take. Speaker 600:29:33Is there any change to the origination outlook? I think the last commentary was 15% or more growth on volumes. Is that still what you're expecting? Or is that taken up as well? Speaker 300:29:46Yes. I think last quarter, my commentary was at least 15% originations growth for the full year of 2024 versus 2023. I didn't specifically mention it, but I think you can imply that it's up just up a tick, probably moving up between 15% to 20% versus at least 15%. And as you noted, you can back into implied full year revenue and EPS based off the Q3 and Q4 guides. And so those both revenue and adjusted EPS are growing faster than originations, which we do expect to be a touch higher than we did last quarter. Speaker 600:30:32Great. Thanks so much. Operator00:30:36The next question will come from John Hecht with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:30:42Afternoon, guys. Congratulations on another good quarter and thanks for taking my questions. Just wondering about repayment rates on different product lines. It looks pretty stable, but I'm wondering are you seeing like some of the credit card companies are seeing slower revolving payment rates. I mean, are you seeing anything with respect to trends in payment rates or has it been as stable as the consolidated numbers look? Speaker 200:31:10It's been very stable. And I think given kind of what's going on in the macroeconomic environment, we're not seeing anything that would have us expect that to change meaningfully. Again, people have the ability to pay us back, but there's not big excess amounts of cash coming into the economy right now that have people be prepaying earlier. So it's been very steady. Speaker 700:31:40And then how do we think because I think last quarter you guys mentioned changing the funnel a little bit in small business lending, but the yields in the payment rate and the credit was real stable. Should we see any expect any mix shift and changes in that and that would affect the metrics there or I guess that's the question? Speaker 300:32:06Yes. So I think you should continue to expect that. I think if you look at the earnings supplement that we release and look at the annualized yield on the small business portfolio, you can see that what I mentioned last quarter, sort of that slow grind higher as we focus on those opportunities. And credit is held in fairly steady quarter over quarter, but we still think, as we talked about last quarter, you should expect to see yields up a touch and the net charge off rates on a quarterly basis in SMB at around 5 and we're sitting in the upper 4s right now. So I think that guidance still holds true as you look out. Speaker 700:32:50Okay. Thanks. And then last question just because I'm always curious is maybe an update on Brazil or any of the other kind of newer expansionary projects you're working on? Yes, expansionary projects you're working on? Speaker 200:33:02Yes, sure. We gave a bit of an update on Brazil last quarter. We hadn't talked about it much in the last couple of years just because there was no last update. As we said, that business is looking really good, growing at 100 ish percent a year. Still small though, so don't expect updates for us every quarter. Speaker 200:33:20But when they hit milestones over time, I'm sure at least once a year, we'll give additional updates on that and need more if something particularly interesting happens. Okay, great. Thanks guys. Speaker 300:33:34Yes. Thank you. Operator00:33:37The next question will come from John Rowan with Janney. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:33:42Good afternoon, guys. Hey. One quick question for me. I always ask about competition and whether or not things like the late fee roll with the credit cards could impact demand for your product. But now the CFPB is also out with interpretive rule on earned wage access products. Speaker 300:34:03Now you just when you look at the 2 of them together, how do you think that that's going to impact demand for your products going forward? Speaker 200:34:11Yes, sure. Look, it's really difficult to predict how much trading there will be from those products to ours and how those businesses are going to react. Certainly, on the earned wage access, it's going to be a long time before that final is impacting those businesses. But if you kind of look at it from a high level, it can only be helpful, right? And the magnitude is harder for us to determine right now. Speaker 200:34:37It's certainly too early in both of them to say, but certainly beneficial to us in the long run. Speaker 300:34:45Okay. All right. Thank you. Yes. Thanks. Operator00:34:50The next question will come from Vincent Caintic with BTIG. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:34:56Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. First one, macro question. So David, I appreciated your comments you were making about how there might be macro concerns that are being expressed industry wide, but that is doing really well. I'm just curious as you're hearing some of these other lenders who are maybe expressing concern and pulling back. Speaker 500:35:20Are the customers that you're seeing and your origination strength, are you seeing like a different cohort of customers than you're typically used to, so perhaps better quality credit or anything like that in small business or consumer. I'm just wondering if maybe the macro concerns and the tightening that's resulting is a beneficiary or e mailers might be benefiting from that. Thank you. Speaker 200:35:44Yes, it's a really good question. I think on the consumer side, the way our products and our marketing are structured, we kind of really dial in on the credit quality customer we want. And so we would see it more you'd say, well, then you're going to see it more in your default numbers, which would be true, except we're kind of optimizing for those default numbers over time and charge off numbers over time. So charge offs are too low, we get more aggressive with our originations, right? The goal here isn't to have charge offs be 0, it's to have charge offs optimal to help us hit our ROE target. Speaker 200:36:19So on the consumer side, it's more difficult for us to see the impact of it every day, but we're fairly confident it's there with how stable, the default numbers how easy it's been to hit our default and our charge off targets. And that's helping us generate the strong levels of growth we're going that we're generating. On the SMB side, we're definitely seeing it. And it really started in the spring when the banks started pulling back more and more. And I think some of the funding to the non bank lenders also got pulled back at the same time. Speaker 200:36:55And so we're certainly seeing it on the SMB side because of just the product design and the different pricing tiers we have on the SMB side, it's much easier to see and has definitely been true. The lower quality borrowers are still there and great business for us if we can charge the right prices, but we are seeing more higher quality customers come in on the SMB side. Speaker 500:37:22Okay, great. That's super helpful detail. Thank you. And then Steve, a question about interest rates now that there's higher confidence that the Fed is going to be cutting rates sooner. If you can maybe talk about the sensitivity of the business to falling interest rates, the benefits there and then to interest expense and then to the fair value marks as well, how sensitive those are? Speaker 500:37:47Thank you. Speaker 300:37:49Yes. So we didn't really change our outlook for interest rates in our latest outlook. If you remember, we have one I talked about this last quarter, we have one rate cut by the Fed late in the year, and we stayed the course there in terms of our outlook. So any additional cuts obviously would be beneficial, probably more so into next year, given that, about 50% of our liabilities are floating rate. But a downdraft in the short end of the curve, we do all of our funding in the securitization markets and in our warehouses in the 3 year and under space. Speaker 300:38:34So we'll see some benefits if there's more aggressiveness, particularly as you go into 2020 But we're not assuming an aggressive stance in what we've talked about for our expectation for the rest of this year. I think on the fair value marks, just given the duration of our portfolio, the fair value marks are not super sensitive to changes in the discount rates. So like every 100 basis point change in a discount rate would lead to about a 70 basis point change in the fair value mark. So it would take quite a bit to kind of move from where we are today. Speaker 500:39:21Okay. That's very helpful. Thanks very much. Speaker 300:39:24You bet. Operator00:39:28This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. David Fisher for any closing remarks. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 200:39:37Thanks, everyone, for joining our call today. We appreciate your time, and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Have a good evening. Operator00:39:46The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the Inova International Second Quarter 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Operator00:00:28Lindsey Savarese, Investor Relations for Enova. Please go ahead, ma'am. Speaker 100:00:33Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Enova released results for the Q2 2024 ended June 30, 2024, this afternoon after market close. If you did not receive a copy of our earnings press release, you may obtain it from the Investor Relations section of our website at ir.enova.com. With me on today's call are David Fisher, Chief Executive Officer and Steve Cunningham, Chief Financial Officer. This call is being webcast and will be archived on the Investor Relations section of our website. Speaker 100:01:09Before I turn the call over to David, I'd like to note that today's discussion will contain forward looking statements and as such is subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially as a result from various important risk factors, including those discussed in our earnings press release and in our annual report on Form 10 ks, quarterly reports on Forms 10 Q and current reports on Forms 8 ks. Please note that any forward looking statements that are made on this call are based on assumptions as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events. In addition to U. S. Speaker 100:01:51GAAP reporting, Enova reports certain financial measures that do not conform to generally accepted accounting principles. We believe these non GAAP measures enhance the understanding of our performance. Reconciliations between these GAAP and non GAAP measures are included in the tables found in today's press release. As noted in our earnings release, we have posted supplemental financial information on the IR portion of our website. And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to David. Speaker 200:02:24Thanks, and good afternoon, everyone. I appreciate you joining our call today. I'll begin with an overview of our Q2 results, and then I'll discuss our strategy going forward. After that, I'll turn the call over to Steve Cunningham, our CFO, who will discuss our financial results and outlook in more detail. We are pleased to have produced another strong quarter of financial results, driven by the strength of our talented team, our world class machine learning analytics, our flexible online only business model, diversified product offerings and solid balance sheet. Speaker 200:02:59We believe we are in a strong position heading into the back half of twenty twenty four with considerable momentum, a conducive macroeconomic environment and stable credit across our entire product range. In Q2, originations increased 27% year over year and 2% sequentially to $1,400,000,000 Strong demand across both the small business and consumer sides of our business, combined with continued solid credit performance, enabled us to be moderately more aggressive with originations and generate strong year over year growth. As a result of the strong originations growth, our combined loan and finance receivables increased 25% year over year to a record $3,600,000,000 Small Business Products represented 64% of the total portfolio and consumer was 36%. The growth in receivables led to a 26% year over year increase and a 3% sequential increase in revenue to $628,000,000 As a result of strong revenue growth combined with skillful credit management and cost efficiency, adjusted EBITDA in Q2 increased 29% year over year and 9% sequentially to $163,000,000 and adjusted EPS increased 28% year over year and 16% sequentially to $2.21 S and B revenue increased 32% year over year and 6% sequentially to a record $252,000,000 while our consumer revenue increased 22% year over year and 1% sequentially to $368,000,000 Our growth continues to be driven by our diversified product offering and efficient marketing. Speaker 200:05:02In Q2, marketing was 19% of our total revenue, in line with our expectations for the quarter and flat to Q2 of last year. As I mentioned, credit quality across our entire portfolio remains solid. Total company net charge offs as a percent of average combined loan and finance receivables was 7.7% in Q2 compared to 8.5% last quarter, which remains well below pre pandemic levels. Before closing, I'd like to take a few moments to discuss our strategy and outlook. We're encouraged by the strong start to the first half of the year. Speaker 200:05:42Recently, there's been significant talk from both pundits and our competitors about an uncertain macro environment. But our Q2 performance as well as internal and external data confirm that both our SMB and consumer customers remain on solid footing as our customers continue to benefit from job growth, low unemployment rates, easing inflation and rising real wages. As we've discussed previously, demand and credit in our consumer business are driven largely by jobs and wage growth. The job market continues to be strong with rising wages historically low levels of unemployment. We've been lending profitably for over 20 years during many fluctuations in the job market. Speaker 200:06:33This has included periods in which the unemployment rate has been more than triple where it is today. It's also important to highlight that we're underwriting to customers who are underserved by the mainstream financial institutions. So when you hear the large banks commenting on what they are seeing in their customer bases, it is frequently not applicable to ours. For small businesses, the 2 main drivers of growth are business owners' confidence in the economy and consumer spending. Small businesses continue to show resilience with their outlook remaining positive as they successfully navigate challenges related to inflation and managing cash flow. Speaker 200:07:20In conjunction with AcroLift, we recently released the 2nd iteration of our small business cash flow trend report. This offers key insights into small business cash flow trends, inflation challenges and growth opportunities. Our research shows that small businesses feel increasingly optimistic about future growth as expenses decrease. Further, external data points show optimism as well. In June, we saw U. Speaker 200:07:51S. Small business confidence increase to a 6 month high according to the National Federation of Independent Businesses. As I mentioned, our confidence in the conducive economic environment isn't just theoretical. You can see it in our Q2 results with originations, receivables, revenue, EBITDA and EPS all up 25% or more year over year. While we feel good about the current environment, we believe one of the key reasons we've been able to generate strong results over the years in a variety of economic environments and why we've been able to take market share in the non prime lending landscape is due to our deep experience and expertise, our diversified portfolio and our sophisticated and disciplined approach to managing risk. Speaker 200:08:45We are very disciplined when it comes to our unit economics approach to decisioning. Further, the short duration of our portfolio and nimbleness of our model allows for more controlled outcomes relative to others. These capabilities have enabled us to meaningfully and profitably expand our business and as a result, support both small businesses and consumers their capital needs by offering them safe, transparent and appropriate lending solutions. We also benefit from diversification within our SMB and consumer businesses. Our SMB businesses operate in all 50 states across 900 plus industries and our portfolios diversify within those industries and states with out significant concentration. Speaker 200:09:37On the consumer side, we have a wide breadth of products and segments that services the non prime and subprime consumers. To wrap up, we continue to believe there's significant upside to our valuation given our consistent and strong results, solid balance sheet and business fundamentals. We remain committed to returning capital to our shareholders while still maintaining significant liquidity to generate attractive growth. We ended Q2 with nearly $900,000,000 of total liquidity. This gives us the flexibility to continue to deliver on this commitment to drive long term value for our shareholders. Speaker 200:10:21As we've stated previously, we will continue to explore avenues to unlock shareholder value, but our near term focus is to do so through opportunistic stock buybacks. Overall, we are pleased to have delivered another strong quarter and we believe that we are well positioned to deliver sustainable and profitable long term growth. We are confident that we have the right strategy, products, proven machine learning and credit risk management capabilities and a strong balance sheet in place to build on our success in 2024 and into 2025. And while both internal and external data show positive signs, we are mindful that the macroeconomic environment can change. We remain balanced in our approach to generating growth and managing risk and believe this will allow us to successfully navigate any such changes. Speaker 200:11:18With that, I would like to turn the call over to Steve, who will discuss our financial results and outlook in more detail. And following Steve's remarks, we will be happy to answer any questions you may have. Steve? Speaker 300:11:31Thank you, David, and good afternoon, everyone. We're pleased to report another quarter of strong growth and strong top and bottom line financial results that were in line or better than our expectations. A constructive operating environment has resulted in solid demand, stable credit and cost effective access to capital, while our diversified product offerings, scalable operating model and world class risk management capability continue to enable our consistent and differentiated financial performance. Turning to our 2nd quarter results. Total company revenue of $628,000,000 increased 26% from the Q2 of 2023 as total company combined loan and finance receivables balances on an amortized basis increased 25% from the end of the Q2 of last year to $3,600,000,000 at June 30. Speaker 300:12:25Total company originations during the Q2 rose 27% in the Q2 of 2023 to just over $1,400,000,000 Revenue from small business lending increased 32% in the Q2 of 2023 to $252,000,000 as small business receivables on an amortized basis ended the quarter at $2,300,000,000 or 28% higher than the end of the Q2 of last year. Small business originations rose 29% year over year to $918,000,000 Revenue from our consumer businesses increased 22% in the Q2 of 2023 to $368,000,000 as consumer receivables on an amortized basis ended the quarter at $1,300,000,000 or 20% higher than the end of the Q2 of 2023. Consumer originations grew 22% in the Q2 of 2023 to $491,000,000 For the Q3, we expect total company revenue to increase more than 5% sequentially, resulting in year over year growth and expected Q3 consolidated revenue in excess of 20%. The expectation will depend upon the level, timing and mix of originations growth during the quarter. Now turning to credit, which is the most significant driver of net revenue and portfolio fair value. Speaker 300:13:56The consolidated net revenue margin of 59% for the 2nd quarter was in line with our expectations and reflects our strong credit trends. Credit in the 2nd quarter reflected our typical consumer seasonality as the total company ratio of net charge offs as a percentage of average combined loan and finance receivables decreased sequentially to 7.7 percent from 8.5% last quarter and was flat compared to a year ago. Additionally, the 2nd quarter net charge operations for both small business and consumer were flat compared to the Q2 of 2023. As a reminder, consumer credit losses typically follow the sequential pattern of portfolio growth through the year, peaking in the 4th quarter and reaching their lowest point during the Q2. We continue to expect credit losses for our consumer portfolio to generally follow the seasonal pattern during 2024, but it will depend upon the timing and level of consumer originations throughout the year. Speaker 300:14:58Expectations for future credit performance remain stable as the consolidated ratio of receivables that were past due 30 days or more at the end of the quarter declined both sequentially and compared to the year ago quarter. In addition, the consolidated consumer and small business fair value premiums were generally unchanged from last quarter, reflecting a stable outlook for future credit performance. Looking ahead, we expect the total company net revenue margin for the Q3 of 2024 to remain in the upper 50% range. This expectation will depend upon portfolio payment performance and the level, timing and mix of originations growth during the Q3. Now turning to expenses. Speaker 300:15:44We continue to see the benefits of our efficient marketing activities, the leverage inherent in our online only model and thoughtful expense management as total operating expenses for the Q2, including marketing, were 34% of revenue compared to 36% of revenue in the Q2 of 2023. 2nd quarter marketing spend remained efficient and was within our expected range. Marketing costs increased $121,000,000 or 19 percent of revenue compared to $96,000,000 or 19 percent of revenue in the Q2 of 2023. We expect marketing expenses will be around 20% of revenue to the Q3, but will depend upon the growth and mix of originations. Operations and technology expenses for the Q2 increased to $55,000,000 or 9% of revenue compared to $47,000,000 or 9% of revenue in the Q2 of 2023, driven by growth in receivables and originations over the past year. Speaker 300:16:47Given the significant variable component of this expense category, sequential increases in O and T costs should be expected in an environment where originations and receivables are growing. It should remain around 9% of total revenue. Our fixed costs continue to reflect our focus on operating efficiency and thoughtful expense management. General and administrative expenses for the Q2 increased to $40,000,000 or 6% of revenue from $36,000,000 or 7% of revenue in the Q2 of 2023. While there may be slight variations from quarter to quarter, we expect G and A expenses in the near term will be around 6% of total revenue. Speaker 300:17:31Our balance sheet and liquidity position remains strong and give us the financial flexibility to successfully navigate a range of operating environments, while delivering on our commitment to drive long term shareholder value through both continued investments in our business and share repurchases. We ended the 2nd quarter with $891,000,000 of liquidity, including $280,000,000 of cash and marketable securities, dollars 611,000,000 of available capacity on debt facilities. Our stable financial and credit performance has allowed us to consistently access funding from a diversified group of lenders and fixed income investors. During the Q2, we completed 3 financing transactions totaling just over $1,000,000,000 with efficient and cost effective terms, including a consumer term securitization, a small business term securitization and the renewal of a warehouse secured by small business receivables. In addition, during the Q2, we acquired more than 1,000,000 shares at a cost of $62,000,000 and we started the Q3 with share repurchase capacity of approximately $30,000,000 under our senior note covenants. Speaker 300:18:45Our cost of funds for the Q2 was steady at 9.3% or roughly 120 basis points higher than the Q2 of 2023, primarily due to higher short term interest rates. While there may be some quarter to quarter variations in the near term, we continue to expect interest expense as a percentage of revenue for the full year 2024 to remain in the 10.5% to 11% range. That being said, the impact of lower market rates in the future could create longer term tailwinds for Enova's profitability. Finally, we continue to deliver solid profitability this quarter as our non GAAP measures of adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS both increased 29% from the Q2 of 2023 to $163,000,000 $2.21 per diluted share, respectively. To wrap up, let me summarize our near term expectations. Speaker 300:19:46For the Q3, we expect consolidated revenue to increase more than 5% sequentially with a net revenue margin in the upper 50% range. Additionally, we expect marketing, O and T and G and A expenses to be around 20%, 9% and 6% of revenue respectively. These expectations should result in sequential growth and adjusted EPS of more than 5%. For the Q4 of 2024, we would expect revenue to increase around 20% compared to the Q4 of 2023. And with stable credit and continued operating leverage, adjusted EPS for the Q4 of 2024 could increase between 20% 25% compared to the Q4 of 2023. Speaker 300:20:35Our expectations for the remainder of this year will depend upon the macroeconomic environment and the resulting impact on demand, customer payment rates and the level of timing and mix of originations growth. In closing, we remain optimistic that the macroeconomic environment will remain constructive. In any event, we're confident in our ability to generate meaningful financial results this year and beyond as we leverage our diversified product offerings, world class machine learning risk management algorithms and nimble online only model to continue to meet customer needs while creating significant value for our shareholders. In addition, our solid balance sheet enables our ability to efficiently fund our growth, while also supporting our ability to return significant capital to shareholders through share repurchases. And with that, we'd be happy to take your questions. Speaker 300:21:29Operator? Operator00:21:31Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer And the first question will come from Moshe Orenbuch with TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:22:18Great. Thanks. Congratulations. Very strong numbers, particularly loan origination and growth. Maybe Steve or David, could you just talk a little bit about competitive environment in each of the major businesses and kind of what obviously you did talk about your strong credit performance, but anything else that's kind of leading you towards that better growth kind of experience and outlook? Speaker 200:22:50Yes, sure. Thanks for the question. I think competitively nothing I would say there's very little has changed. There's haven't been new entrants in the space. We haven't seen any of our trends. Speaker 200:23:12As I mentioned in my comments, certainly over the last couple of quarters, we've heard some lack of confidence, I think, from some of the other players in the space. And it's probably holding them back a bit when I think we're seeing somewhat of the opposite. You kind of mentioned on the credit side, we have a very credit has been very strong. And as we talked about, we think our customer is in a really, really good place. Job growth has remained good. Speaker 200:23:42Wages continue to rise. Inflation is coming down. I think it's a very beneficial place for both consumers and small businesses. So we've been able to grow at kind of very high rates, like at 25% kind of throughout the entire comes from top line to bottom line over the last year without being particularly aggressive. Certainly leaning into the growth and we're not afraid of it, but by no means are we being very aggressive in our approach. Speaker 400:24:17Thanks. Maybe as a follow-up, Steve, you mentioned that the fair value marks were basically flat. I guess they were a little better on the small business side and a little lower on the consumer side. Is there anything to kind of learn from that? Like, are there differences in the products or differences in the way you're doing that and how we should kind of think about that also going forward? Speaker 300:24:40No, I think your takeaway from that is, I mean, we are our product characteristics haven't changed. Our mix is tilted maybe just a little bit towards line of credit, but quarter over quarter, it doesn't move significantly. But I think the stability in the fair value mark is basically telling you that we expect that the portfolio, which are largely dependent on credit, are very, very stable. Speaker 500:25:11Thanks very much. Operator00:25:15Your next question will come from David Scharf with Citizens JMP. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:25:21Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess a couple of things. One question for you Steve on the funding side, since you were in the market last quarter with I guess 3 different transactions for both consumer and SMB. Irrespective of the timing of Fed cuts, can you talk a little bit about just some of the qualitative feedback and spreads, just the price talk? Speaker 600:25:53I'm kind of curious if some of your fixed income investors are kind of sharing your more constructive outlook on your consumer or if spreads are reflecting maybe their broader outlook listening to some other lenders as well? Speaker 300:26:14Yes. I mean, I think there's a couple of things you can look at with our deals, in particular the 2 term deals that we completed, we did both an SMB, small business and a consumer. Both of those trades compared to a year ago, we're nearly a 100 basis points better, with benchmarks that were pretty much the same. Speaker 400:26:36So Speaker 300:26:36that gives you a little bit of an indication of maybe feeling better about the future. But I would also say, and if you just take a look at high yield index is for the unsecured, you can look at our unsecured bonds, even our 20 28 notes that we issued late last year trading well above par indicating some spread compression relative to benchmark. So it feels like the market is constructive And that's, I think, largely based on the outlook that the market is starting to see as it relates to potential rate paths and the impact on the economy and comfort with investing in the fixed income market. Speaker 600:27:22Got it. Great news. And maybe staying on the funding discussion, any update on, I guess, the timing for I believe refiing the 2025 notes is kind of on the front burner. And if there's any kind of visibility into maybe the restricted payments covenant there and whether you may be able to buy back the higher percentage of net income towards buybacks versus the existing covenants? Speaker 300:27:57Yes. I mean, I think like I mentioned last quarter, I think we will continue to be opportunistic as that as those 2025 notes approach the 12 month mark in terms of like going current in September. But I think the current levels even with improved spreads are a touch ahead of the coupon that we have on those bonds. So if we're going to refi them early, we want to make sure we're making a good economic trade off between additional interest expense and as you mentioned, the covenant package that we might get. I think the 2028 notes that we issued late last year, I think that covenant package was more reflective of the company that we are today. Speaker 300:28:44And I would expect that any new issues would largely reflect that same covenant package, at least where we sit today. So in that case, I would think we would have at least the flexibility to do a higher return of our earnings each quarter, so long as we're meeting the restrictions and the covenants under those indentures. Speaker 600:29:09Understood. And then just one last question to clarify on the guidance, it cut out a little. It looks like the full year revenue growth outlook was taken up a bit. I believe it had been sort of high teens. Now it's 20%, give or take. Speaker 600:29:33Is there any change to the origination outlook? I think the last commentary was 15% or more growth on volumes. Is that still what you're expecting? Or is that taken up as well? Speaker 300:29:46Yes. I think last quarter, my commentary was at least 15% originations growth for the full year of 2024 versus 2023. I didn't specifically mention it, but I think you can imply that it's up just up a tick, probably moving up between 15% to 20% versus at least 15%. And as you noted, you can back into implied full year revenue and EPS based off the Q3 and Q4 guides. And so those both revenue and adjusted EPS are growing faster than originations, which we do expect to be a touch higher than we did last quarter. Speaker 600:30:32Great. Thanks so much. Operator00:30:36The next question will come from John Hecht with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:30:42Afternoon, guys. Congratulations on another good quarter and thanks for taking my questions. Just wondering about repayment rates on different product lines. It looks pretty stable, but I'm wondering are you seeing like some of the credit card companies are seeing slower revolving payment rates. I mean, are you seeing anything with respect to trends in payment rates or has it been as stable as the consolidated numbers look? Speaker 200:31:10It's been very stable. And I think given kind of what's going on in the macroeconomic environment, we're not seeing anything that would have us expect that to change meaningfully. Again, people have the ability to pay us back, but there's not big excess amounts of cash coming into the economy right now that have people be prepaying earlier. So it's been very steady. Speaker 700:31:40And then how do we think because I think last quarter you guys mentioned changing the funnel a little bit in small business lending, but the yields in the payment rate and the credit was real stable. Should we see any expect any mix shift and changes in that and that would affect the metrics there or I guess that's the question? Speaker 300:32:06Yes. So I think you should continue to expect that. I think if you look at the earnings supplement that we release and look at the annualized yield on the small business portfolio, you can see that what I mentioned last quarter, sort of that slow grind higher as we focus on those opportunities. And credit is held in fairly steady quarter over quarter, but we still think, as we talked about last quarter, you should expect to see yields up a touch and the net charge off rates on a quarterly basis in SMB at around 5 and we're sitting in the upper 4s right now. So I think that guidance still holds true as you look out. Speaker 700:32:50Okay. Thanks. And then last question just because I'm always curious is maybe an update on Brazil or any of the other kind of newer expansionary projects you're working on? Yes, expansionary projects you're working on? Speaker 200:33:02Yes, sure. We gave a bit of an update on Brazil last quarter. We hadn't talked about it much in the last couple of years just because there was no last update. As we said, that business is looking really good, growing at 100 ish percent a year. Still small though, so don't expect updates for us every quarter. Speaker 200:33:20But when they hit milestones over time, I'm sure at least once a year, we'll give additional updates on that and need more if something particularly interesting happens. Okay, great. Thanks guys. Speaker 300:33:34Yes. Thank you. Operator00:33:37The next question will come from John Rowan with Janney. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:33:42Good afternoon, guys. Hey. One quick question for me. I always ask about competition and whether or not things like the late fee roll with the credit cards could impact demand for your product. But now the CFPB is also out with interpretive rule on earned wage access products. Speaker 300:34:03Now you just when you look at the 2 of them together, how do you think that that's going to impact demand for your products going forward? Speaker 200:34:11Yes, sure. Look, it's really difficult to predict how much trading there will be from those products to ours and how those businesses are going to react. Certainly, on the earned wage access, it's going to be a long time before that final is impacting those businesses. But if you kind of look at it from a high level, it can only be helpful, right? And the magnitude is harder for us to determine right now. Speaker 200:34:37It's certainly too early in both of them to say, but certainly beneficial to us in the long run. Speaker 300:34:45Okay. All right. Thank you. Yes. Thanks. Operator00:34:50The next question will come from Vincent Caintic with BTIG. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:34:56Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. First one, macro question. So David, I appreciated your comments you were making about how there might be macro concerns that are being expressed industry wide, but that is doing really well. I'm just curious as you're hearing some of these other lenders who are maybe expressing concern and pulling back. Speaker 500:35:20Are the customers that you're seeing and your origination strength, are you seeing like a different cohort of customers than you're typically used to, so perhaps better quality credit or anything like that in small business or consumer. I'm just wondering if maybe the macro concerns and the tightening that's resulting is a beneficiary or e mailers might be benefiting from that. Thank you. Speaker 200:35:44Yes, it's a really good question. I think on the consumer side, the way our products and our marketing are structured, we kind of really dial in on the credit quality customer we want. And so we would see it more you'd say, well, then you're going to see it more in your default numbers, which would be true, except we're kind of optimizing for those default numbers over time and charge off numbers over time. So charge offs are too low, we get more aggressive with our originations, right? The goal here isn't to have charge offs be 0, it's to have charge offs optimal to help us hit our ROE target. Speaker 200:36:19So on the consumer side, it's more difficult for us to see the impact of it every day, but we're fairly confident it's there with how stable, the default numbers how easy it's been to hit our default and our charge off targets. And that's helping us generate the strong levels of growth we're going that we're generating. On the SMB side, we're definitely seeing it. And it really started in the spring when the banks started pulling back more and more. And I think some of the funding to the non bank lenders also got pulled back at the same time. Speaker 200:36:55And so we're certainly seeing it on the SMB side because of just the product design and the different pricing tiers we have on the SMB side, it's much easier to see and has definitely been true. The lower quality borrowers are still there and great business for us if we can charge the right prices, but we are seeing more higher quality customers come in on the SMB side. Speaker 500:37:22Okay, great. That's super helpful detail. Thank you. And then Steve, a question about interest rates now that there's higher confidence that the Fed is going to be cutting rates sooner. If you can maybe talk about the sensitivity of the business to falling interest rates, the benefits there and then to interest expense and then to the fair value marks as well, how sensitive those are? Speaker 500:37:47Thank you. Speaker 300:37:49Yes. So we didn't really change our outlook for interest rates in our latest outlook. If you remember, we have one I talked about this last quarter, we have one rate cut by the Fed late in the year, and we stayed the course there in terms of our outlook. So any additional cuts obviously would be beneficial, probably more so into next year, given that, about 50% of our liabilities are floating rate. But a downdraft in the short end of the curve, we do all of our funding in the securitization markets and in our warehouses in the 3 year and under space. Speaker 300:38:34So we'll see some benefits if there's more aggressiveness, particularly as you go into 2020 But we're not assuming an aggressive stance in what we've talked about for our expectation for the rest of this year. I think on the fair value marks, just given the duration of our portfolio, the fair value marks are not super sensitive to changes in the discount rates. So like every 100 basis point change in a discount rate would lead to about a 70 basis point change in the fair value mark. So it would take quite a bit to kind of move from where we are today. Speaker 500:39:21Okay. That's very helpful. Thanks very much. Speaker 300:39:24You bet. Operator00:39:28This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. David Fisher for any closing remarks. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 200:39:37Thanks, everyone, for joining our call today. We appreciate your time, and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Have a good evening. Operator00:39:46The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by