MSCI Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 23, 2024
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Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the MSCI Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would like to now turn the call over to Jeremy Ulan, Head of Investor Relations and Treasurer. You may begin.

Jeremy Ulan
Head of Investor Relations & Treasurer at MSCI

Thank you. Good day and welcome to the MSCI second quarter 2024 earnings conference call. Earlier this morning, we issued a press release announcing our results for the second quarter 2024. This press release, along with an earnings presentation and brief quarterly update are available on our website, msci.com, under the Investor Relations tab. Let me remind you that this call contains forward-looking statements which are governed by the language on the second slide of today's presentation.

You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements which speak only as of the date on which they are made, are based on current expectations and current economic conditions and are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from the results anticipated in these forward-looking statements.

For a discussion of additional risks and uncertainties, please see the risk factors and forward-looking statements disclaimer in our most recent Form 10-K and in our other SEC filings. During today's call, in addition to results presented on the basis of US GAAP, we also refer to non-GAAP measures. You'll find a reconciliation of our non-GAAP measures to the equivalent GAAP measures in the appendix of the earnings presentation.

We will also discuss operating metrics such as run rate and retention rate. Important information regarding our use of operating metrics, such as run rate and retention rate are available in the earnings presentation. On the call today are Henry Fernandez, our Chairman and CEO; Baer Pettit, our President and COO and Andy Wiechmann, our Chief Financial Officer. As a housekeeping item, we wanted to remind our analysts to ask one question at a time during the Q&A portion of our call. We do encourage you to ask more questions by adding yourselves back to the queue.

With that, let me now turn the call over to Henry Fernandez. Henry?

Henry Fernandez
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at MSCI

Thank you, Jeremy. Good day, everyone and thank you for joining us. In the second quarter, MSCI achieved strong results, thanks to our all-weather franchise, our blue-chip client base, our wide range of mission critical solutions and our intense focus on execution. We delivered adjusted earnings per share growth of 12%, organic revenue growth of 10%, with asset based fee revenue growth of 18%, driven by record AUM balances in both ETFs and non-listed products linked to MSCI indices.

Free cash flow growth of 21%. In our operating metrics, we delivered subscription run rate growth of 14%, including organic growth of 9%, our highest second quarter on record for new recurring subscription sales of $83 million, up 22% year-over-year and a retention rate of almost 95% across MSCI. Through yesterday, we repurchased $290 million worth of MSCI shares, at an average price of $484 per share. We have now bought back more than 15 [Phonetic] million MSCI shares since 2012, at an average price of $122 per share, for a total consideration of roughly $6.1 billion.

Our combined repurchases represent almost 40% of the total outstanding shares of MSCI. These actions are consistent with our own change and relentless focus on capital allocation. Year in and year out, we are obsessively focused on creating value for our shareholders. Value creation starts with strategy and our strategy has not changed. We are determined to capture the long-term secular trend disrupting the investment industry, such as rising demand for high quality, data driven models and insights, increase transparency across asset classes and a more outcome oriented investment solutions.

MSCI is commercializing these trends by providing indexed and rules based solutions, establishing standards and private assets, delivering comprehensive climate and sustainability tools, transforming risk and portfolio management and enabling personalized wealth management at scale. The evidence of our progress can be seen not only in MSCI's financial results, but also in our high levels of client engagement.

Over the past few months, Baer and I have met with clients across the United States, Europe and Asia. Everywhere we traveled, our clients and prospects were eager to talk about new areas of collaboration with MSCI. Our recent announcements and product launches highlight our strategy in action. For example, our strategic partnership with Moody's meaningfully expands the reach of our sustainability content among banks, insurance companies and corporates. It would also help us broaden our private company ESG coverage and expand our capabilities within private credit.

Likewise, our recently launched MSCI Private Capital closed-end fund indexes will complement our real asset fund and property indices to deliver a wider view of private market. This can also help us achieve our goal of becoming the global leader in private market indices. Meanwhile, MSCI AI portfolio insights combines generative artificial intelligence, with advanced analytical tools and modeling capabilities to make it easier for clients to pinpoint the most important factors shaping investment risk and performance.

We see tremendous potential across our newer client segments such as wealth managers, general partners, insurance companies, corporates and corporate advisors. Wealth managers in particular have been excited to learn about our new technology platform acquired from Fabric earlier this year, which has dramatically increased our ability to support personalization at scale. This enabled us to close a large deal for these solutions during the second quarter. Meanwhile, our wealth subscription run rate across product lines grew by 12%, reaching $107 million.

We had a strong quarter with Asset Owners and Hedge Funds as well, posting organic subscription run rate growth of 12% and 15% respectively. All of this illustrates a key part of our strategy. We want to expand our footprint among large and rapidly growing client segment, while strengthening our position among our more mature and traditional client segment, such as Asset Managers.

To maximize that strategy, MSCI will continue developing mission critical solutions powered by advanced models, data and technology, including Generative AI. All of this enables us to drive compounding growth and profitability for shareholders.

And with that, let me turn the call over to Baer. Baer?

Baer Pettit
President & Chief Operating Officer at MSCI

Thank you, Henry and greetings everyone. In my remarks today, I will discuss our second quarter performance in greater detail with a focus on both product lines and client segments. Our performance shows how MSCI continues to balance long-term strategy and short-term execution. We design our business plans for extended time horizons, but we also do the hard work necessary to deliver for shareholders in the short-term.

Looking at our second quarter results, in index, MSCI achieved 9% subscription run rate growth, including 10% growth in both EMEA and APAC and 17% growth in Custom Indexes and special packaging. In addition, direct indexing AUM based on MSCI indexes is now $113 billion, up 28% year-over-year. We are also encouraged by our product with Custom Indexes. In Q2, we supported a large asset manager client in their launch of a new custom ETF private series linked to the MSCI transition aware select indexes. Meanwhile, we closed on our acquisition of Foxberry, with an enhanced custom index platform launch underway for the second half of the year.

Looking at global investment flows, we are encouraged that ETF products linked to MSCI indexes captured the highest cash flows in over two years, with over $28 billion of inflows during the second quarter. In general, the depth and scale of tradable products linked to MSCI indexes continues to grow. During the quarter, we strengthened our position as a top index provider for ETF products as the number of launches of equity ETF's linked to MSCI indexes nearly doubled year-over-year, translating to $2.5 billion in cash flows and a nearly 30% share of new equity ETF fund flows. Open interest in derivatives linked to MSCI indexes is now nearly $300 billion, up 9% for the same period last year.

Shifting to Analytics, we delivered another strong quarter across regions and business areas. Most notably, Analytics achieved our best ever Q2 for new recurring subscription sales, at over $21 million and our best ever Q2 retention rate at close to 96%. We had a strong quarter with Hedge Funds, including a large win for our equity risk models to support a new client's recent fund launch. Our offerings are supporting broad use cases such as market risk, regulatory capital management, counterparty credit risk management, liquidity monitoring and investor reporting.

We also drove $3.6 million in new recurring sales from Asset Owners, up 63% year-over-year to support their enterprise risk management. Amid an industry reimagining of risk management, risk teams at global investment firms are under pressure to find efficiencies, modernize services, all while harnessing the potential power of generative AI.

We launched a new feature risk product suite during Q2, including our MSCI AI portfolio Insight tool as Henry mentioned. This tool demonstrates how we can leverage our existing strengths and IP to drive innovation. It combines MSCI's deep history in natural language processing and machine learning, with our industry leading data and risk and factor models.

Turning to ESG and climate, we delivered 14% run rate growth for the combined segment, along with 30% climate run rate growth across our product line. Our new game changing partnership with Moody's to offer MSCI ESG and sustainability data to Moody's broad base of global clients reinforces MSCI as the market standard for ESG. The partnership will also help us expand our ESG and sustainability coverage for private companies.

In addition, the Moody partnership also confirms the continuing importance of sustainability consideration in global investing. MSCI continues to advance our product roadmap, including for regulatory solutions. Last month, for example, we launched a new data set to help issuers, advisors and corporates align with corporate sustainability reporting directive or CSRD in Europe.

In Climate, we released an important new product, MSCI GeoSpatial Asset Intelligence, which will help clients identify physical and nature based risks on more than 1 million locations for 70,000 public and private companies. With this product, we are once again using AI for data collection and mapping, so that investors and lenders can better assess climate risks in their portfolios and loan books.

Initial client interest is encouraging and we've already signed two deals, including with a large, prominent private credit GP. In private assets, we're driving important product and client milestones. MSCI private capital solutions subscription run rate is almost $106 million, which represents growth of 17% over Burgiss' performance in the same period last year prior to the acquisition and the retention rate was almost 93%.

On the product side, we achieved a key milestone with the launch of MSCI Private Capital Indexes, which will accelerate our push to become a standard better in private market, supporting investors seeking standardized taxonomies and benchmarks to measure and evaluate private asset classes consistently.

Given MSCI's global leadership and track record of success in indexing and benchmarking, clients have expressed significant interest in having us create benchmark indexes for private market. Finally, in Real Assets, we posted a run rate growth of 3% and a retention rate of 90%. While the commercial real estate market remains challenging, we are encouraged by client demand for products uncorrelated with transaction volumes including portfolio services, index insights and climate, which enable us to lend almost $3 million of new recurring sales in Europe, growing 16% year-over-year. Looking ahead, we will continue aligning MSCI's long-term strategy with secular trends and our competitive advantages, while staying laser focused on short-term execution.

And with that, let me turn the call over to you Andy.

Andy Wiechmann
Chief Financial Officer at MSCI

Thanks, Baer and hi everyone. In the second quarter, we delivered 10% organic revenue growth, 14% adjusted EBITDA growth and 21% free cash flow growth. We are encouraged by the results, which reflect our unrelenting dedication to execution even in the face of market headwinds, which may persist in the short-term. We are encouraged by the rebound in retention rates from the first quarter, which we did expect and we have not seen any deterioration in conditions, although we expect cancels to remain elevated in Q3 compared to last year and we expect somewhat longer sales cycles to persist in the short-term.

I also want to note that Q3 tends to be a seasonally softer quarter for us on the sales front. Within index, we grew our subscription run rate among Asset Managers and Asset Owners at 8% and 12% respectively. These segments collectively represent 68% of our index subscription run rate. Meanwhile, our index subscription run rate with Wealth Managers and Hedge Funds grew 11% and 24% respectively.

Across index subscription modules, we saw another strong quarter from custom and special packages growing 17%. ABF revenues were up 18% year-over-year, benefiting from $28 billion of cash inflows and about $21 billion of market appreciation and ETFs linked to MSCI equity indexes during the second quarter. ETFs linked to our indexes continue to attract flows in non-US exposures, particularly in developed markets outside the US and in emerging markets, as we have seen a pickup in flows into ETFs with exposures outside the US.

Fixed income ETF AUM linked to MSCI and Bloomberg Partnership indexes is now at $64 billion, with year-to-date inflows of over $6 billion. Given strong recent equity market performance, non-ETF revenue in this quarter included the impact of true-ups related to higher reported client AUM and newly reported product launches. We reached a significant milestone in the quarter with AUM and ETFs and non-ETF passive products tracking MSCI indexes now surpassing $5 trillion.

In Analytics, organic subscription run rate growth was 7% and revenue growth was 11%. The difference is largely attributable once again to the impact of recent client implementations, which continued from the last couple of quarters. As we've noted in the past, Analytics revenue growth can be lumpy because of items such as these implementations and we expect revenue growth rates to more closely align with run rate growth in Q3.

In our ESG and climate reportable segment, organic run rate growth was 13%, which excludes the impact of FX and about $5 million of run rate from Trove. Q2 new recurring subscription sales for the segment included a significant contribution from the Moody's partnership. Regionally, the subscription run rate growth for the segment was 17% within Europe, 20% in Asia and 9% in the Americas.

In Private Capital solutions, year-over-year run rate growth was 17% and we continue to gain traction in key markets. New recurring sales in Europe reached the record and we also saw solid traction sales with our GP client base. The Private Capital solutions retention rate was approximately 93% and we recorded almost $27 million of revenue in the quarter. In real assets, run rate growth was roughly 3%, with a retention rate slightly above 90%.

We continue to have solid momentum in our Index Intel and our income and climate insights offerings, while we continue to see industry pressure impacting our transaction data offerings, including our RCA and property intel products, which we expect to continue to face headwinds in the near-term. Our rigorous approach to capital allocation remains unchanged. Through yesterday, we've repurchased over $290 million or roughly 600,000 shares since late April. Our cash balance remains over $450 million, including readily available cash in the US of more than $200 million.

Turning to our 2024 guidance, we've increased our guidance for depreciation and amortization expense and operating expenses by $5 million, reflecting in part the impact of acquired intangible amortization expense from the Foxberry acquisition, which closed in April. I would note that our guidance assumes that ETF AUM levels increase slightly from June 30th levels through the end of the year. To the extent AUM levels track higher than this, we would expect to be towards the higher end of our expense guidance ranges. As of right now, we expect the quarterly effective tax rate in both Q3 and Q4 to be in the range of 20% to 22% before any additional discrete items.

Before we open it up for questions, I want to underscore that we see tremendous opportunities with compelling secular trends. We see strong client engagement and tangible opportunities to drive growth. We see near-term headwinds and client pressures, but we continue to execute and drive leadership in these large addressable markets that will drive long-term growth for us. We look forward to keeping you posted on our progress.

And with that operator, please open the line for questions.

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Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. The first question comes from the line of Alex Kramm from UBS. Please go ahead.

Alex Kramm
Analyst at UBS Group

Yes. Hey, good morning, everyone. Just wanted to maybe unpack the strong sales growth in the quarter a little bit more. I mean, last quarter, obviously fairly soft and I think the tone even look forward still fairly somber. So maybe you could just help us what happens across the different segments? I mean, did you gain more pricing? Was it just timing that a lot of these maybe longer sales cycle deals closed? Or was the sales force really engaged after what happened last quarter? Just trying to understand the really strong results here after what's been a challenging environment. Thank you.

Andy Wiechmann
Chief Financial Officer at MSCI

Thanks, Alex. It's Andy. So, a few observations here. Firstly, I would remind you and I think, you know this, sales and cancels can both be lumpy quarter-to-quarter. I would say that we haven't seen a deterioration in conditions and I would say the sales in Q2 were solid, as you pointed out. I would also say that we haven't seen an inflection yet. Overall, we still see pressures on clients, we still see the longer sales cycles. So we would expect the lumpiness in sales and cancels to continue here and as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, Q3 can be a seasonally softer quarter for us.

But as we've highlighted before, sustained momentum in equity markets is helpful to overall buying dynamics, although the impact on our subscription sales, not metrics, more generally tends to lag the markets. I would highlight that we are seeing strong client engagement across the globe and we see it across most product areas and client segments. I think both the momentum in the equity markets and the strong client engagement should eventually lead to some momentum on the sales front. And so we're encouraged here, but we remain cautious and expect some continued lumpiness.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Manav Patnaik from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Manav Patnaik
Analyst at Barclays

Thank you. I wanted to ask about the Moody's partnership. Actually, it's a very interesting partnership, sounds like a win-win. I know you alluded to a bit, Henry, but maybe just some context on why now and how the mechanics of the agreement works between the two. If you presume there's like revenue sharing going on. And just quickly, Andy, I think you mentioned in your remarks that there was already some contribution from Moody's, I apologize, I missed that. If you could just help with that?

Baer Pettit
President & Chief Operating Officer at MSCI

Hey, Manav. Baer here. Yeah, so look, simply put, the deal is -- so, first of all, maybe on a higher level, we've stated repeatedly here in the call and in various meetings with many of you that we're constantly on the lookout for partnerships. And I think this is a critical thing which we hope will have a positive impact across our business in a variety of ways. So we started exploring with Moody's on a variety of fronts. And in essence, what we've come up with here is Moody's felt that we're being that us being a leader in ESG, that they could use us significantly across a variety of their products, their services to their clients.

And in turn, Moody's has an extraordinary private company database with the product they now call Orbis and that's an area where we at MSCI have been really focused on trying to get better data and information for a variety of use cases, but notably for in ESG and Climate, where that sort of company information can be very hard to get hold of.

So that's kind of the two part, the two sides, if you like, of the deal. You know, we're very pleased with it, mostly because, well, overall, we think it's a great deal for both parties. But specifically, we were able to put this together very quickly in just a number of months, you know, with the true spirit of partnership with Moody's. So we see a lot of upside from this in the future.

Andy Wiechmann
Chief Financial Officer at MSCI

And maybe if I could just touch on the second part of that question, Manav, about the economics. As I mentioned in the prepared remarks, the partnership has resulted in a significant contribution to new recurring sales in Q2. Unfortunately, I can't give more specifics, but I would highlight that we haven't seen any notable changes to the segment trends that we've been seeing in recent quarters.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Toni Kaplan from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Toni Kaplan
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Thanks so much. In the past couple quarters, I think one of the debates that has emerged is this cyclical versus secular debate around the Asset Manager end market and you've spoken about the challenges of tight budgets, which have intensified, I guess, over the past roughly two years and it seems like it's still going to be a little bit tough in 3Q. I guess, what do you think the catalyst is for the change that we'll see at some point, because I think that you are sort of alluding to this being more of a cyclical issue. And so what drives that change? And can you sustainably grow double digits in an environment that continues to be challenged or do you need that end market to sort of pick up? Thanks.

Henry Fernandez
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at MSCI

Yeah. Thanks, Toni. There are three big buckets in the global investment industry. There are the barbells on both sides. One is rules based systematic index investing, which continues to grow and abated. And on the other end is very active, concentrated management, which obviously the ultimate expression of that is private asset class management, private equity, private credit, private real estate, etc. But it does include concentrated portfolios, various thematic portfolios and things like that.

And in the middle is the largest segment, the more traditional active management, diversified widely, large number of shares active management. That segment will continue to grow, but at a slower pace than the two other ones. And it will go through ups and downs, it will go through challenges and all of that. And we're going through a challenge with that segment right now and we clearly have been relying on that segment for about 50 plus percent of our subscription revenues, but rapidly increasing our penetration on index. So systematic rules based index management, which includes quantitative investing and index investing and all that.

And on the other hand, very active management, including our foray into private asset. So as we look into the future, I don't see us going down in our growth rate because we will definitely penetrate the traditional active management, more and more they're going to rely on us more and more in what they do, even though it's an industry that is going through some difficulties right now cyclically and we will increase our growth significantly in the other two sides, which is systematic rules based investing and private asset class investing.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Ashish Sabadra from RBC Capital. Please go ahead.

Ashish Sabadra
Analyst at RBC Capital

Thanks for taking my question. Henry, I just wanted to drill down further on the index front and particularly look the slowdown in subscription growth is understood. But as we think about marching back into the low double digit growth over the mid-term, I was wondering if you could help us parse how do you think about the market cap versus custom and direct indexing versus factor and thematic indices? And how do you think about those growth profile and thanks for flogging some of those wins for fabric, as well as the AUM for direct indexing. How should we think about the direct indexing? Right now these direct custom indices are only 15% of index subscription revenue, but how do we think about that over the next three to five years? Thanks.

Andy Wiechmann
Chief Financial Officer at MSCI

Sure. Ashish, number of questions there. I'll try to touch on several of them. I would say and I think you alluded to this, if we focus on the index subscription growth rate, we are seeing the slowdown now from softer recurring net new over the last few quarters, which is a reflection of the tougher environment and the pressures that we've talked about. Although I would highlight that we are seeing resilience and momentum based on the second quarter results, which I think reinforces the long-term opportunity for us. And if we double click on what's driving the growth and the outsized areas of growth across the index franchise and it gets similar to the drivers that we've seen in recent quarters.

So we saw 8% growth in our market cap modules, but as you highlighted, 17% growth in our custom and special packages, which is a reflection of this move towards rules based, systematic, customer outcome oriented type investing, where indexes are a very effective and efficient mechanism to develop those strategies. We are well positioned to benefit there. If we look across client segments, we saw 8% growth with Asset Managers and more than 11% and 12% growth with wealth managers and asset owners and 24% growth with hedge funds.

And so, as Henry alluded to, we see tremendous opportunities in large part related to this move towards indexation in many different large client segments and that trend is continuing. And I think reflection of a long-term compelling secure opportunity for us.

If we're going to focus on direct indexing, as you alluded to or asked about, I think direct indexing is mainly showing up in the non-ETF passive line for us. It is still very early in its evolution and it's a place where we are, I think, well positioned to help both wealth managers and asset managers that are serving wealth managers with direct indexing solutions to provide them not only the underlying indexes, which is where most of our run rate comes from today and most of our revenue comes from in that non ETF passive line, but also broader solutions that help them on that customization journey at scale.

Fabric is an enabler there. Our broader analytics tools like our optimizers and risk models and things like our ESG content and climate content. So we are uniquely positioned to benefit from direct indexing, which I believe still in its early days and will be a big opportunity longer-term.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Alexander Hess from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Alexander Hess
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Hi, everyone. So there was a large deal in the private asset space involving one of your larger clients this quarter. Can you address and one of the points touched on that was the opportunity for private indexes. Now MSCI is out talking about your own private index business and your own opportunity for private capital indexes. But how do you think about the technical challenges to creating those sorts of indexes and gathering the data and how has private capital solutions been able to tackle some of those? And any comments about how to frame the demand and opportunity for that business would be appreciated as well. Thank you.

Henry Fernandez
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at MSCI

So thanks for that question, because we're very excited about what we're doing in private assets, in private capital and real assets, as we look at the differences between the two of them. So, as you know, we announced yesterday the launch of 130 private capital indices, private equity, private debt, private credit, private infrastructure, etc. And we already have about 80 or so real property or real asset indices, both at the fund level and at the asset level. So we're very excited about that launch.

The technical challenges and opportunities first come with the data, access to the data. So MSCI now has access to about $15 trillion worth of underlying data across all private assets. And that is the highest quality data that exist in the planet because it comes directly from the GP at the request of the LP. So we have that enormous amount of data. So the private capital indices that we announced yesterday are built on about $11 trillion of that $15 trillion, and the other three, four, say trillion dollars is what the other real asset indices are built upon. So it starts with that.

Then secondly is the -- your understanding of the investment process and the methodologies that you need to do to create this indices and we've written the book about index construction and index methodologies throughout the last 50 or so years. So there is no question that we're an expert on that. And the third technical challenge is, do you have the distribution associated with that in terms of the asset owners and the asset managers, the allocators and the managers of assets and we have 1200 people at MSCI calling on pretty much every one of those clients around the world. So that is important.

I think a key part of this thing is obviously, as well, independent, people want to see their indices and other tools come from an independent source. And obviously MSCI has excelled on that in terms of quality and in terms of independence and in terms of a robust and transparent methodology, etc. So we feel pretty confident that we will be the leader in all aspects of private assets, from the data to the tools and the tools include the benchmark indices, the performance attribution, the risk models, liquidity, evaluated prices, portfolio construction, asset allocation, etc, etc., and that's what we're setting out to do with the completion of the Burgiss acquisition, on top of the RCA acquisition and on top of our position in real assets before that, we feel pretty good about where we are.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Owen Lau from Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Owen Lau
Analyst at Oppenheimer & Co.

Good morning and thank you for taking my question. So the broader market was quite strong in the first half and probably better than the initial market assumption. And I'm just wondering what else you would like to see so that you can raise your full-year free cash flow guidance. Thanks.

Andy Wiechmann
Chief Financial Officer at MSCI

Sure. Yeah. So that the cash flow performance has been strong for us. It was strong in the second quarter. I think we benefited from both high collections compared to a year ago and lower cash tax payments. I would highlight on the guidance front that there are a lot of factors that can impact free cash flow, everything from billings and collections across both subscription and ABF, obviously, a higher ABF environment does help us. Although ABF, we tend to bill on a lag. And then cash expenses and cash tax payments can swing quite a bit.

We're only halfway through the year, we are continually focused on driving strong free cash flow growth and strong free cash flow conversion. But I would highlight that it can swing quarter-to-quarter.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Heather Balsky from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Heather Balsky
Analyst at Bank of America

Hi, thank you for taking my question. I appreciate it. Last quarter during the call you talked about your thoughts around margin expansion going forward and I think the message was you expect more modest expansion. As we think through the strong growth you're seeing with regards to AUM, how are you thinking about reinvesting that? Has your thoughts changed anyway from last quarter? And if you were to sort of accelerate investments, where are you most focused? Thanks.

Baer Pettit
President & Chief Operating Officer at MSCI

Sure. So Heather, I would say we are not focused on and we don't target a specific margin expansion or margin level. What we are continually doing is balancing investing for the long-term, while driving attractive profitability and free cash flow growth. And so that is the calibration that we are continually focused on and driving. I would highlight the comments that I made in the prepared remarks here, where as you alluded to, AUM levels have been running higher than what underlied our guidance in previous quarters. And we've assumed for the current guidance that AUM levels increase slightly from the 630 balances. And if AUMs track above that, we will likely be at the high end of our expense guidance ranges.

We would use the higher growth to invest in key areas in the business as we have in the past and those key areas tend to cut across the big growth frontiers that we're talking about. And so from a solutions standpoint, very focused on the custom index front and that's a broad topic involving everything from technology to researchers to go to market. We do have investments in the climate front. There are a number of opportunities across private assets and private capital that we are investing in. And so we are laser focused on continuing to drive these long-term growth drivers, while at the same time continuing to squeeze the run the business expenses and identify efficiencies in the business.

But it's a constant calibration for us and we are calibrating based on not only AUM levels, but overall business performance outlook and financial dynamics more generally and we'll keep you posted on that.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Faiza Alwy from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Faiza Alwy
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Yes, hi. Thank you. So I wanted to follow-up on the environment that you're seeing out there, specifically in ESG and climate, because it sounds like there was a pretty significant increase in new recurring subscription sales growth. And I know you alluded to the Moody's partnership that may have driven a chunk of that growth, but then I also heard you talk about sort of new products around CSRD. So give us a bit more around what you're expecting for ESG and if the underlying environment is, you know, any different or has improved?

Andy Wiechmann
Chief Financial Officer at MSCI

Sure. So I would say we've seen a continuation of the dynamics that we've been seeing in recent quarters. There haven't been major changes to the trends that you've been seeing and we've been seeing. I think we highlighted this, but from a regional standpoint, segment within the segment, run rate growth in the Americas was about 9%. It is about 17% in EMEA and 20% in APAC, which is generally in line with what we saw last quarter. And the themes that we're seeing in each of the regions is fairly consistent with what we've seen in the past. In the US, we're still seeing investors take a more measured pace on how they're integrating ESG. That's causing longer sales cycles and more deliberate purchasing decisions.

In EMEA, we do see opportunities, as you alluded to in areas like regulation. So we've had some early wins with things like CSRD and EBA pillar three. But regulation at the same time is creating some complexity and confusion as it cuts across many different objectives from financial materiality to do no harm to specific climate objectives. And so that is resulting in some hesitancy from many clients.

And then in Asia, we are seeing solid engagement and it feels like Asia is earlier in its adoption of ESG. And so very similar trends to what we've seen in the past. I would highlight that the industry pressures that impact all parts of the business are probably more impactful within the ESG and climate segment, where we serve such a wide range of client types and use cases and users that there probably are some more nice to have type use cases that will get impacted more significantly from environmental pressures.

We expect these dynamics to persist in the short-term, but we remain encouraged by the long-term dynamics here. And so, as I alluded to, areas like regulation are compelling opportunities and we've seen some early wins, but also opportunities in some of the new offering areas that bear highlighted around our asset level, physical risk and nature data sets are offering with the GeoSpatial Explorer is quite exciting very early days, but these are things that continue to add value to our clients.

And on top of that, we still see climate as a very dynamic area that has tremendous opportunities across not only new solution sets, but client segment for us. And so, as Henry alluded to, opening up opportunities in areas like banks, insurance companies, corporates directly, even opportunities with GPs. And so there are a wide range of opportunities we are excited about in the long-term, but in the short-term no change in the dynamics and we expect it to continue in the short-term.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of George Tong from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

George Tong
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Hi, thanks. Good morning. Your Analytics business had another strong quarter including strong reoccurring, subscription sales and retention rates. What are the top factors enabling this performance? And how sustainable is double digit organic growth in Analytics?

Andy Wiechmann
Chief Financial Officer at MSCI

Yeah. So I would say and you've noticed this in the results, the last several quarters, we've seen some good momentum. So we're seeing strong client engagement across many different parts of our analytical tools. There's probably some benefit from the environment driving an intense focus on investment risk and credit risk and liquidity risk and we are a leader on all fronts. And so that definitely has been helpful to us in certain areas.

The performance is also driven in part by the enhancements and innovations that we've continued to deliver. So we've been seeing traction with our insights offering, which delivers our risk analytics through a modern data architecture with enhanced visualization. And as you know, we've now integrated AI capabilities into that and that's an area where we do see strong client engagement and we've seen some traction in enabling new sales for us.

We've seen solid sales within our fixed income offering and see opportunities, continue to see opportunities there. And we continue to see strong momentum with our equity analytics business or equity risk models, which is something we've highlighted in a recent quarter.

So a lot of the same drivers we've talked about in the past that has been encouraging. We continue to see opportunities, although I will say that it's likely to be lumpy and some of the pressures that have impacted the broader company are likely to impact Analytics as well.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Scott Wurtzel from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Scott Wurtzel
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Great. Good morning, guys and thanks for taking my question. I wanted to stay on the Analytics segment and maybe talk about the margin that you were seeing there. Obviously it's pretty notable expansion both sequentially and on a year-over-year basis. So just wondering if you can maybe walk us through and maybe drill down into the drivers of that notable margin expansion analytics. Thanks.

Andy Wiechmann
Chief Financial Officer at MSCI

Sure. Yeah, we've commented on this in the past. There are several factors that drive the Analytics margin and have driven it higher over the last several years. So one is, we have been capitalizing software. And so the level of capitalized software has picked up a bit which will drive the EBITDA margin. It doesn't impact the operating margin, but does impact the EBITDA margin. Broader expense efficiencies and expense discipline that we have across the company tends to impact the Analytics segment, just given how we do many of our allocations.

I would also highlight there are parts of the Analytics business that we have invested less in as well. We've been very strategic and targeted with the parts of Analytics that we have been investing in, but there have been some parts that we have invested less in to allow us to invest in other parts of the company that are very strategic for us. And so all those factors have contributed to the Analytics margin increasing over time.

As you can tell by the growth, we do see very compelling opportunities within Analytics that are not only attractive growth opportunities in their own right, but they are very strategic for driving growth across the company. And so we do have investment opportunities, opportunities in Analytics that we will be putting money into and continue to invest in.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Craig Huber from Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Craig Huber
Analyst at Huber Research Partners

Great, thank you. Just want to ask you guys a question on AI here. Can you give us some examples of where you're really excited about uses of AI to help drive revenues long-term? And also similar question on the cost efficiency side, where AI can really help you on the cost side, help your margins out even better?

Henry Fernandez
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at MSCI

Sure. So look, both of those areas are really critical and we're engaging on both fronts quite dramatically. So first of all, in terms and I would say that within the efficiency, the cost efficiency, there's also even what you could call like a quality efficiency story, notably in our whole data environment. So we're doing tremendous amounts of work across the board in data, data calculations, production, extraction, whether that be in private markets, in ESG and Climate, across the board, notably in areas that can be difficult to find hard data in, such as controversies. So we are, you know, so we're moving ahead, you know, in all those areas. And we have been, we've had a really special focus on this both internally and with certain members of our boards of directors who happily have some expertise in this area.

So the efficiency area is one where we're starting to see some pretty attractive numbers. As Andy mentioned, this is a continuous effort. And as we typically go into the end of the year here and start setting budgets for next year, we're starting to see that AI efficiencies probably for the first year next year will be a non trivial part of our budgeting exercise and the efficiencies we can make.

In terms of new product development, this is also very much across the board. We clearly have two examples which we brought out today, which are sort of live, if you like, which is the work on GeoSpatial data, where really we wouldn't be able to do that without the use of AI. And the recent launch as part of our future of risk, by the way, you may want to just Google future of risk, MSCI. There's a very interesting paper on our website which goes into the whole use of AI and the future of risk and you can download it for free. So in Analytics, in ESG and climate and pretty much in private markets.

So there's no part of the business where we're not using AI. And I think both in terms of a new product development and an efficiency story, we hope to be able to give you increasingly specific information, you know, in the quarters ahead and going into next year.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Russell Quelch from Redburn Atlantic. Please go ahead.

Russell Quelch
Analyst at Redburn Atlantic

Hello, gents. Congratulations on a strong Q2 result. I wanted to focus on private asset benchmarks, if I can. I wondered if you could size the current addressable market you see there and the rate at which you think that market is growing. And also if you could talk to the competitive dynamics, is this mainly white space for you guys or is there others that you'll be looking to displace as you grow? And finally, do you have all the data or assets you need to grow now or will you be looking further to sort of inorganic growth opportunities, particularly around data in this area?

Henry Fernandez
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at MSCI

So there are -- on the benchmarks themselves, there are two sources of value to us. The first one is the sales themselves in benchmarking for LPs and GPs in the various subsectors or I should say various asset classes within private assets was one of the biggest providers of private credit in the world that I met with recently said, I need benchmarks to be able to get more assets from both the institutional LPs and the wealth management part. So that will create revenue opportunities.

We haven't yet created a dimension of how much that will be and the timing of that, but that's clearly one area. The second one and probably even bigger area is that if we become by becoming the leading provider of private asset class benchmarks, it puts us right in the center of the ecosystem of the LPs and the GPs and the underlying assets that they invest in and in that center stage inside the tent, so to speak, they were able to then expand from there to provide performance attribution models, risk management models, liquidity models, valuation models, obviously asset allocation models and all of that.

Of course, it will put key position to provide the underlying data as well, but that's part of, "the benchmark sale" and therefore it puts us in an enormously advantageous position. And that's what we've done throughout our 50 plus year history. That's what we expanded since I created the company 30 years ago and we built it upon the market cap indices created by the Capital Group and Morgan Stanley.

So we're very excited about what we can do in the overall private capital, private assets investing world. Obviously, all of this is totally alluding to transparency, to understanding what you bought, to understanding the risk, the sources of risk and return on what you got and to create a seamless understanding of asset allocation across private assets and public assets.

So a unit of risk in a building, in a bridge or in private credit or in a venture capital company can be identified easily and compare easily with a unit of risk in a public company, in a public bond or in a hedge fund. So that's what we're going after.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Gregory Simpson from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Gregory Simpson
Analyst at Exane BNP Paribas

Hi there. Can I just quickly check in on the latest contribution of pricing to new sales across index and the other segments and if there's any client behavioral changes around pricing, you'd call that. Thank you.

Andy Wiechmann
Chief Financial Officer at MSCI

Sure. Yeah. So I would say across the company, the contribution of price increases was slightly smaller than last year. So very consistent with what we said last quarter, we have been slightly moderating our price increases in many places given the pricing and economic environment, which is very much in line with what we said last quarter. I'd say importantly and I want to underscore this, we are focused on aligning price increase with the value that we are delivering. And so we do factor in the overall pricing environment and client health, but we also are focused on ensuring that we're capturing the value for the enhancements that we make to our solutions and our service and balancing that as well with the long-term relationship with our clients.

So most of our growth is going to come from existing clients. And so we are very focused on being a strong long term partner to our clients and that means adding value, that means selling more to them, providing enhanced services to them and that will translate through to enhanced price increases, but also translates through to additional services that we can deliver to them. And so we're continually balancing that value with price increases.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Alex Kramm from UBS. Please go ahead.

Alex Kramm
Analyst at UBS Group

Yes, hello again. Just quick follow-up on the sales environment as I asked about earlier. When you think about the second half and I know it's maybe a little bit too specific, but if you compare to last year's maybe sales in dollars, are you still comfortable or are you comfortable that you can do more sales this year in the second half or anything specific to 3Q, 4Q. So, yeah, that's the question. Thanks.

Andy Wiechmann
Chief Financial Officer at MSCI

Sure. So as I mentioned, 3Q and I know you're aware of this, Alex, 3Q is typically a softer quarter for us, seasonally softer quarter for us from a sales perspective. Q4 tends to be a seasonally strong quarter for us. I don't want to be too specific or prescriptive about what can happen. As I mentioned, sales and cancels can both be lumpy and we do see some challenging dynamics out there. But as I alluded to earlier, we are seeing strong client engagement. We see opportunities out there and as we've seen in past cycles, if there is sustained momentum in equity markets, that tends to translate through overtime into more favorable buying dynamics for clients. But as I said earlier, we are cautious. We still see some pressures on clients, but overall we do see opportunities as well.

Operator

And that does conclude the question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Henry Fernandez, Chairman and CEO, for closing remarks.

Henry Fernandez
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at MSCI

So as you heard in our commentary, we're intensely focused on executing our grand strategy and compounding growth quarter-to-quarter, year-to-year and that's what we do. We're not a entity, as you know well, that flares up and flares down. We are consistently executing and executing and there'll be some orders that are going to be very strong relative to expectations or the quarters that are going to be weaker, but a longer-term horizon of this company is extremely powerful, compounding of growth and compounding of profitability.

We're very excited by the very large growth opportunities in front of us, as you heard in the commentary and answers to your questions and are encouraged by a very high level of client engagement that is typically a leading indicator of sales in the future. So we look forward to engaging with all of you over the next few months and thank you again for joining us and I hope you all enjoy the summer and take some time off.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

Corporate Executives
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    Head of Investor Relations & Treasurer
  • Henry Fernandez
    Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
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    President & Chief Operating Officer
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