Old Dominion Freight Line Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Old Dominion Freight Line Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jack Atkins, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Jack Atkins
Director of Investor Relations at Old Dominion Freight Line

Thank you, Gary, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Second Quarter 2024 Conference Call for Old Dominion Freight Line. Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay beginning today and through July 31, 2024, by dialing 1 (877)-344-7529, access code 92-01-305. The replay of the webcast will also -- may also be accessed for 30 days at the Company's website.

This conference call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements among others regarding Old Dominion's expected financial and operating performance. For this purpose, any statements made during this call that are not statements of historical fact may be deemed to be forward-looking statements. Without limiting the foregoing, the words believes, anticipates, plans, expects, and similar expressions are intended to -- identify forward-looking statements.

You are hereby cautioned that these statements may be affected by the important factors among others set forth in Old Dominion's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and in this morning's news release. And consequently, actual operations and results may differ materially from the results discussed in the forward-looking statements.

The Company undertakes no obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. As a final note before you begin, we welcome your questions today, but ask that you limit yourself to just one question at a time before returning to the queue.

At this time, I would like to turn the conference call over to Mr. Marty Freeman, the Company's President and Chief Executive Officer, for opening remarks. Marty, please go ahead, sir.

Kevin "Marty" Freeman
President and Chief Executive Officer at Old Dominion Freight Line

Good morning, and welcome to our Second Quarter Conference Call. With me today on the call is Adam Satterfield, our CFO. After some brief remarks, we will be glad to take your questions.

Old Dominion second-quarter results represent our third consecutive quarter with year-over-year growth in revenue and earnings per diluted share, despite the ongoing -- going sluggish -- in the domestic economy. These results were made possible by the hard work and dedication of the OD family of employees who continued to execute our long-term strategic plan during the second-quarter.

I'd like to congratulate our outstanding team for maintaining our commitment to providing superior customer service at a fair price as well as our disciplined approach to managing yield, our laser focus on operating efficiencies and controlling our dis -- discretionary spending.

Delivering superior service at a fair price is the cornerstone of our business model and our unmatched value proposition has continued to differentiate Old Dominion Freight Line from our competition. I'm pleased to report that during the second quarter, we once again provided an on-time service level of 99% and a cargo claims ratio of 0.1%.

Constantly delivering the level of service for our customers regardless of the economic cycle has strengthened our customer relationships over time. We help our cus -- customers keep their promises they have made to their customers by delivering their freight on-time and damage free, which in turn allows us to continue to help the world keep their promises.

The consistency of our service is also validated by Mastio & Company, who has named OD as the number one national LTL carrier for 14 consecutive years. Our strong track record of industry-leading service also means our customers view us as a trusted partner, which supports our consistent cost base approach to pricing.

Our long-term yield management strategy is designed to help offset our cost inflation, while also supporting further investments in the capacity and technology -- technology that our customers expect. We have been one of the only LTL carriers to constantly and consistently invest in new capacity over the past 10 years, which has supported our ability to almost double our market share over the same period.

We are committed to constantly investing ahead of our anticipated growth curve, which is another differentiating quality for Old Dominion and what has been and what we believe will continue to be a capacity-constrained industry. Over the past 10 years, we have invested over $2 billion in our service center network and we plan to invest another $350 million on real-estate this year.

These investments have positioned us to grow with our customers over-time through the ups and downs of the economic cycle, which hasn't been the case with most of our competitors. Maintaining excess capacity in our service center network, which has -- approximately 30% at the end of the second quarter, does create some short-term cost headwinds during periods with slower demand. But we are confident that the capacity will be critical to support our customers when the economic environment starts to improve and business levels reaccelerate.

With all that said, our network investments are not being made simply to handle the overflow during stronger periods of economic activity. Instead, as we look into the future, we believe demand for service sensitive LTL capacity will continue to grow. We believe that the combination of our best-in-class service and disciplined investments in network capa -- capacity position us to capture even more of the growing market in the years ahead.

Over the last decade, Old Dominion Freight Line has won more market share than any other LTL carrier by consistently executing our strategic plan and remaining focused on long-term opportunities instead of short -- short-term challenges. While we continue to wait on a recovery in the domestic economy, we believe the investments in our network, our technology, and most importantly, our people, will continue to drive value to our customers.

As a result, we believe we are the best-positioned carrier in our industry to win market-share over the long-term, while further enhancing shareholder value. Thank you today for joining us this morning. And now Adam will discuss our second-quarter financial results in greater detail. Adam?

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Thank you, Marty, and good morning. Old Dominion's revenue for the second quarter 2024 of $1.5 billion was a 6.1% increase from the prior year. The increase in revenue was due to a 4.4% increase in LTL revenue per hundredweight and a 1.9% increase in LTL tons per day. Our operating ratio improved to 71.9%, which contributed to the 11.3% increase in earnings per diluted share to $1.48 for the quarter.

On a sequential basis, our revenue per day for the second-quarter increased 2.6% when compared to the first-quarter of 2024 with LTL tons per day increasing 3.3% and LTL shipments per day increasing 3.2%. For comparison, the 10-year average sequential change for these metrics includes an increase of 8.7% in revenue per day, an increase of 5.8% in tons per day, and an increase of 6.5% in shipments per day.

The monthly sequential changes in LTL tons per day during the second-quarter were as follows: April increased 0.4% as compared to March. May increased 0.1% as compared to April, and June increased 1.9% as compared to May. The 10-year average change for these respective months is a decrease of 0.4% in April, an increase of 2.7% in May, and an increase of 2.3% in June.

I would like to note, however, that in years when Good Friday occurs in March as it did this year, the average sequential change in the LTL tons per day from March to April is a 2.6% increase. For July, we expect our revenue per day will increase by approximately 4% to 4.5% when compared to July of 2023, assuming the remaining days of the month follow normal historical trends.

The growth rate in our revenue per day through the first half of July was relatively consistent with the second quarter. The comparisons have now become a little more difficult, however, as the final week of July last year was when we began to see freight diversion from a large competitor that ultimately filed for bankruptcy. We will provide the actual revenue related details for July in our second-quarter Form 10-Q.

Our operating ratio improved 40 basis points to 71.9% for the second quarter of 2024 due primarily to the quality of our revenue growth and continued focus on operating efficiencies. Out team continued to do a great job of managing our direct variable cost during the second quarter, which allowed us to improve these costs as a percent of revenue. Our overhead cost, however, continued to increase as a percent of revenue despite our best efforts to minimize discretionary spending. As we have often said before, the two main ingredients to long-term operating ratio improvement are the combination of density and yield, both of which generally require a favorable macroeconomic environment.

While we continue to execute on our yield management initiatives, it will likely take an improvement in the domestic economy before we see sustained momentum in shipping demand that generally leads to incremental market share opportunities and operating density. We remain confident that once we have both of these elements working again in our favor, our team can produce further improvement in our operating ratio and make progress towards our goal of achieving a sub-70% annual OR.

Old Dominion's cash flow from operations totaled $387.8 million and $811.7 million for the second quarter and first half of 2024, respectively, while capital expenditures were $238.1 million and $357.6 million for those same periods. We utilized $551.8 million and $637.1 million of cash for our share repurchase program during the second quarter and first half of 2024, respectively, while cash dividends totaled $56.0 million and $112.6 million for the same periods.

This year-to-date total for share repurchases includes $40 million that is deferred until the final settlement occurs on our current accelerated share repurchase agreement, which would be no later than November of 2024. Our effective tax rate for the second quarter 2024 was 24.5%, which was lower than originally expected due to the benefit of certain discrete tax items. The effective tax rate for the second-quarter 2023 was 25.4%. We currently anticipate our effective tax rate to be 25.0% for the third quarter.

This concludes our prepared remarks this morning. Operator, we'll be happy to open the floor for questions at this time.

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Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]

Our first question today is from Jordan Alliger with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Jordan Alliger
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Yeah. Hi, morning. Thanks for the update. Hey, I wonder, as you often do, is it -- is it possible to get some sense for -- given the context of revenue per day and what you're seeing in the economy? How things could look seasonally 2Q to 3Q in terms of the operating ratio? Thanks.

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Yes, sure. Unfortunately -- we're still dealing with the -- an economy that's not contributing too much to us right now with 55% to 60% of our revenue being industrial related. The ISM continues to be below 50 and I think that's 19 out of the past 20 months. So -- it's -- it's hard to say what will happen from a top-line basis. And -- as you know, the -- the revenue will dictate a lot of the performance at least when we go sequentially. But -- I -- I feel like some things have -- there have been some bright spots to -- to look at in terms of the trend that we saw through June, and -- and so far this month in July from a revenue and a volume standpoint.

So -- we'll see how that continues to play out as we progress through the quarter. I mean -- as we always do, we will give our mid-quarter update with the -- the August performance -- once -- once that is finished. But you know, based on kind of where we are today, normal seasonality is -- is typically about a 50 basis-point increase sequentially from the second to the third quarter, and I think that's achievable. It's certainly the -- what the goal would be. And I think that -- regardless of which way the -- the revenue goes, if we stay kind of flattish like we've seen from a quarter-to-quarter standpoint, typically the -- the average sequential change in revenue is about a 3.5% increase from the second to the third quarter.

So -- where we follow on that, that spectrum from a top-line basis, I still think that -- something along the lines of that 50 basis-point sequential increase, plus or minus, of course. We -- we generally give ourselves -- kind of plus or minus 20 basis points, but -- but I think that's something that -- that's certainly very achievable for the third quarter.

Jordan Alliger
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

And -- and just -- just as a quick follow-up, if I could, just -- just on the demand, you mentioned the sub-50 ISM and new orders index as well. I -- I mean, as you -- as you sort of look ahead and talk to customers, I mean, do you feel that there could be finally some change in that as we move through the year, or is it tough to tell still?

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Well, I think it -- it's still tough to tell. I mean we're -- I feel like things are -- starting to fall a little bit. You know, again, I -- I felt like we had a good performance through June. You know, we finally had some -- some good sequential increase there from a volume standpoint. And so a little bit of acceleration and somewhat similar to what we had in the final month of the -- the first quarter with March there, but -- a nice increase from the May to June period.

So -- it's something that -- that we'll continue to watch. You know, we've got the third quarter here and then we typically go through the -- the seasonally slower fourth quarter and -- and first quarter. But -- hopefully some things are building. I think when you look at some of the macroeconomic factors would suggest that -- maybe some of the things that the Fed would watch would indicate that we may be closer to -- the -- the interest-rate environment may be improving a little bit and seeing some cuts out there that would certainly help from a business standpoint.

So -- it seems like we're -- we're coming close to the end of a long slow cycle, and we'll just have to continue to watch and -- and see what's presented to us. But -- it certainly feels like we're -- we're seeing a little bit more opportunity out there than -- than what we have been seeing.

Jordan Alliger
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Thank you so much.

Operator

The next question is from Daniel Imbro with Stephens, Inc. Please go ahead.

Daniel Imbro
Analyst at Stephens

Yeah. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking our questions. Maybe one -- Adam, wanted to ask one on the pricing side. I think the mid-quarter update suggested pricing was stable. June actually seemed to improve a bit. I guess, how has pricing continued into July? Are we seeing any changes? And -- and stepping back just from an industry standpoint, demand remains tepid to -- to your point. Can the industry support further GRIs and other rate increases in the back half of this year as comparisons get more difficult? Thanks.

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah. I think what we've seen is just a continuation of -- of executing on our -- our long-term yield management philosophy. And -- we continue to target increases that -- that offset our cost inflation and -- and support the continued investment in capacity and -- and technologies that our customers expect from us.

And -- and -- our -- our yield trend in June and -- and what we're seeing thus far in July is pretty similar. From a year-over-year standpoint, if you just sort of look at -- at normal seasonality in revenue per hundredweight, at least excluding fuel, normal sequential would -- would imply that for the full quarter, it would be up 4% to 4.5%, that metric.

And some of that will be some mix change that -- that we'll go through more so in -- in August and September. If you think last year, following the disruption to the industry, our -- our weight per shipment decreased quite a bit as we -- we moved through August and September last year. Overall, for the third quarter of '23, it was down about 30 pounds versus the second quarter of '23. So had that reduction in -- in weight per shipment.

And I would like to see that at least our weight per shipment has been stable if that continues to increase further -- and a reflection if there is any improvement in the economy, then that just becomes more challenging from a mix standpoint. But -- but so far -- what we've seen in July is -- is pretty consistent with -- where we were in the second quarter in June in particular. So we'll -- we'll continue to see how that plays out.

Daniel Imbro
Analyst at Stephens

Thanks so much. Best of luck, guys.

Operator

The next question is from Chris Wetherbee with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Chris Wetherbee
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Yeah. Hey, thanks. Good morning. Maybe, Adam, if you could talk a little bit about weight per shipment trends. It's pretty flattish the last couple of quarters and certainly sequentially from 1Q to 2Q. Just kind of your general thoughts on -- on how you see that playing out. Obviously, that could be part of just a sluggish economy as we're moving forward here, but you're going to get a sense of maybe what you're seeing in July, if there's any change in -- in that?

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah, no real change in July -- in July. Still kind of continuing to -- to bounce around that 1,500 pounds mark. And -- to me, I think that's what we've seen. Obviously, we -- we saw the -- the unique change that -- that happened last year, right at the end of July going into August, and -- and -- that -- that took our weight down -- quite a bit like I just mentioned.

But -- but it just feels like we've been bouncing along the bottom, and I think that's an indicator really where the industrial economy has been as well. So I think that should be one of the first signs and early indicators if we start seeing some -- some incremental weight on each shipment that we're picking up, that orders might be picking up and -- and -- that would -- would obviously be good for a lot of measurements. We can get more weight per shipment. Generally, that's going to lead to -- to improvement in operating efficiencies. And -- generally that leads into improved volumes in general, if the -- the underlying economy truly is improving.

So -- all things that -- that we are very prepared for in terms of the -- the capacity in our service center network, the capacity of our people and our fleet, we are -- are primed and in position to respond whenever the market does, in fact, inflect to the positive.

Chris Wetherbee
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Scott Group with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Scott Group
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Hey, thanks. Adam, just a couple of follow-ups, if I can. First, the -- the 4% to 4.5% revenue, any sense of breaking that down between tonnage and -- and then yield?

And then I just want to make sure I'm understanding your -- your OR commentary about the 50 basis points worse, which is normal. Are you saying even if we don't get the full typical 3.5% sequential revenue increase, we can still stay with the normal OR degradation it's -- and it's not worse. Is that -- is that the message -- that you're giving?

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah. I think to answer that [Phonetic] question first. Yeah, I think that we're going to go with the -- the 50 basis points being the target. And -- and again, keep in mind, just like we said last quarter, it's -- put a plus or minus around that, not being that specific, anything can happen. But -- I think that our -- our team is continuing to do a great job with -- with managing cost in this lower-volume environment, and -- and we will continue to do so as we progress through the -- the third quarter.

And so obviously, it's -- it's a little bit easier if -- if we've got some revenue contribution, we typically have an increase in certain cost elements as we progress through the quarter. We're continuing to execute on our capex plans. So we will have incremental depreciation dollars in the third quarter versus the -- the second. We have a wage increase that will go out the 1 of September as well as it always does, so you get one month of -- of that.

And -- and so -- but we'll continue to -- to -- monitor and -- and measure operating efficiencies and -- and we've been seeing some improvements there, and -- and have some other offsets as well continue to -- to manage every discretionary dollar that's -- that's going out the door in managing to the -- the business levels that we're seeing.

So we'll -- we'll continue to do all those things, but certainly hope that we'll see a little bit of incremental rev -- revenue improvement and that will make things easier, obviously. But -- but -- we're going to continue to manage and -- and have that hanging out there as -- as our goal to achieve.

Scott Group
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Yeah. And then any just quick thoughts on record buyback in the quarter. Is this a change in sort of capital returns? Is this a new sort of run rate to think about going forward?

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

No, it's -- it's no change. I think it's -- it's similar. It -- it was a record level, as you say, but -- you go back a couple of years ago and when our stock performed similar to the big drop that we saw during the second quarter, if you go back to 2022, we spent $1.3 billion in total that year. So had some pretty hefty quarters that was just spread more through the year. But -- our stock was -- was off 20%, 25% from -- from 52-week highs going back to -- to last quarter's phone call and earnings call.

And -- and so -- as we've done in the past, we -- we stepped in and -- and we're more aggressive with our -- our repurchases. And -- now the -- the stock price has -- has recovered a bit. And so -- be going back more so to -- to kind of our -- our normalized grid-based approach to -- to repurchasing shares. But -- we just stepped in a little bit more aggressively with the cash that we had on the balance sheet and purchased more during the -- that second quarter, including a -- an accelerated share repurchase agreement as well. And which we still have got a little bit of about $40 million that was deferred on that agreement that should settle -- sometime late third quarter, early in the fourth quarter.

Scott Group
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Thank you, guys. Appreciate the time.

Operator

The next question is from Ravi Shanker with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Ravi Shanker
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. So this is probably the first upcycle in a while maybe ever where it's not just you who has the excess capacity, but a lot of your peers do as well. I think you kind of alluded to that on -- in your prepared remarks as well. Do you get a sense that their approach to having this excess capacity and dealing with the drag on incremental margins is similar to your own? Or do you feel that they may be kind of looking to deploy that capacity a little bit earlier than you guys?

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah, it's -- I -- I can't answer for what they're going to do with -- with any measure of -- of any excess capacity any individual carrier has. But -- with respect to just looking at the industry broadly -- I feel like that we're going to be a more capacity-constrained industry than -- than we were previously. If you go back, we estimate that the shipping volumes are down about 15% from kind of the peak back in 2021.

And when you look at the -- the number of service centers that have settled from that bankruptcy proceeding, not all are in operation yet, but probably at least 10% and maybe more capacity will be coming out of the market. So -- all those shipments that were being picked up and delivered by that carrier, they are LTL shipments, they will come back to the market, and our market will recover to the levels where it was previously. And -- and I believe will continue to increase further.

So that -- that's why we continue to believe and continue to invest ahead of our anticipated growth curve. We don't see anything that has changed with the opportunities that we have for long-term market-share opportunities other than perhaps maybe they've gotten stronger as more shippers look for -- for high-quality service carriers, if inventory management continues to -- to be an operating focus, especially in a higher interest-rate environment, I think it puts the burden on shippers to select high-quality carriers and there's none better than Old Dominion.

So -- so we look at the market generally and believe we -- we've got as strong an opportunity that -- that we've ever -- ever had and we think we're better positioned than any other carrier to capitalize on an improving industry.

Ravi Shanker
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Tom Wadewitz with UBS. Please go ahead.

Tom Wadewitz
Analyst at UBS Group

Yeah, good morning. So Adam, I wanted to see if you could give us -- I apologize if -- if I missed this, but I think just like the July tonnage and shipments, you -- I think you talked about revenue terms, but -- but not the tonnage and shipments. I don't know if you want to give us like -- normal seasonality July versus June or year-over-year, but -- but some kind of framework for thinking about shipments and tonnage in July.

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah. The -- the -- the breakdown, if you will, of the revenue, it's -- it's definitely in flux. I mean, like I mentioned -- we were in the first part of this month, we were growing at a similar rate from a revenue per day standpoint is -- is where we were for the second quarter and kind of that -- that 6% range. And -- and obviously, the comps have changed pretty considerably, mainly starting this week in particular. And so it's going to cause a little disruption to -- what the -- the tonnage numbers look, what we're seeing today -- we can extrapolate out and we do where we think we'll we'll finish.

But -- but I think there's going to be a little flux with respect to what those final volume numbers and -- and yield numbers might look like given the -- the drastic change in business levels and mix that we saw in that last part of the month of -- of July. But you know, at -- at this point, I would say that -- that 4% to 4.5% -- I would say that this -- the volumes are probably about flattish and that could be plus or minus -- one way around that and that flatness, and then from a yield standpoint, again, pretty consistent with what we just saw in the second quarter. And -- right now, it's looking a little bit stronger, but -- we'll -- we'll see where those final numbers land. And -- of course, we'll put the -- the final details out there.

But just from a pure revenue standpoint though and just looking at -- at revenue per day -- July and October are the months that we see decreases, and as we go month to month progress through the year. And -- and what we're seeing from a pure revenue per day standpoint is -- is pretty consistent with what normal seasonality would otherwise be -- which is a drop-off somewhere in kind of the -- the 2.5% type of range. And that's pretty consistent with what our five-year average has been there.

So -- we'll look to see that we get some recovery -- back in August, which is normal. And then September, as you know, is -- is pretty much our strongest month of the year. So can we see -- stronger acceleration going into the end of the quarter? You know -- I would hope so. We saw strong performance in March, strong performance in June. And -- if that can repeat -- we'll see where we land.

But -- but that's kind of -- the lay of the land and what things are looking like at the moment. And of course, we'll -- we'll update, as I mentioned earlier, with the final July and then the mid-quarter update with our August trends.

Tom Wadewitz
Analyst at UBS Group

Okay. Yeah, thank -- thank you for that. Just one other quick one. On headcount, how are you thinking about headcount sequentially? Are you -- in kind of a flattish volume environment? Are we modeling headcount down a little bit sequentially? Are you kind of keeping it flat and keeping some capacity for -- for when the volume improves?

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Well, I think we're in a good spot from a -- a overall headcount standpoint. We're -- at the end of June, we're 150 to -- to 200 people ahead of where we were in September of last year when we were handling 51,000 shipments per day. So -- we're -- we're in a good spot there.

You know, we've -- we've drifted down just normal attrition kind of taking place through the the second quarter. And -- if that continues to -- to occur as we go through the second half of the year -- we're always balancing -- the changes and -- and so forth, generally in alignment with what our -- our shipment counts are and how they're changing.

So -- that would be something that we continue to -- to watch and deal with. But -- at this point, we're -- we're getting closer to -- to where you generally have the seasonally slower parts of the year once we get into 4Q and 1Q, but -- we're keeping our eye out for -- what 2025 might look like, and you don't wait until it's coming at you and you got to get ahead of the curve, if you will. And that's why this year, we invested so much and we always are investing in our people and restarted our truck-driving schools and -- and so forth, and then continue to increase the number of -- of employees with their CDLs to be ready for when our customers call on us and -- and they need capacity, we want to be in a position to be able to respond with a yes, we can help you versus trying to deploy catch-up and be reactive.

Tom Wadewitz
Analyst at UBS Group

Great. Thank you for the time.

Operator

The next question is from Jon Chappell with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Chappell
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Thank you. Good morning. Adam, you know as well as anybody, the bear thesis about capacity coming online, whether it's -- the terminals that were auctioned or the organic growth by some of your peers and what that may do to pricing. It sounds like early stages of 3Q pricing has been relatively consistent. But as we think about the anniversarying of the Yellow [Phonetic] bankruptcy starting in 4Q, most especially from a yield perspective, is there any reason why you wouldn't see typical seasonal trends in yield beyond -- this summer, whether that relates to capacity or -- or any other factors in the market?

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Like I've said earlier and maybe to -- to just elaborate on that, but we're -- we're continuing to see good yield performance and -- and that's what we expect. I mean, this is something that we work on day by day. Our -- our sales team and -- and our pricing and costing teams are all working together and working with our customers to -- to ultimately provide value to their supply chains.

But -- our -- our yield management philosophy is to attain increases that not necessarily are -- are market-driven in a sense of the markets in our favor or not, it's what's our cost inflation looking like and then -- what are the continuing needs of our business. And that's been a long-term philosophy that is -- is consistent and has worked for us.

And -- and so that's what we would continue to expect as -- as we move forward as well. You know, we're negotiating and -- and working every day and I would expect that as any contracts are -- are coming due that -- that we will work through and need to obtain increases on those. So -- regardless of what -- other carriers and specific issues or areas or -- or whatnot may be going on, we -- we expect that we'll continue to see a disciplined environment in -- in the industry and -- and that's what we've seen thus far.

So we'll just continue to -- to manage through that and -- and keep sort of focusing on -- on what we do and what we can deliver and -- and continue to add value to our customer supply chains.

Jonathan Chappell
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Okay. Thank you, Adam.

Operator

The next question is from Eric Morgan with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Eric Morgan
Analyst at Barclays

Hey, Good morning. Thanks for asking -- or for taking my question. I wanted to -- to ask one on cost inflation. Your comp per employee has been up maybe mid-single digits or so for -- for about a year now. Just wondering, as you think about another wage increase later this quarter, and -- as broader inflation measures are trending down a little bit, should we start to see that moderate and maybe how does that factor into the sequential OR outlook for -- for 3Q? Thanks.

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Well, generally speaking, when you look over the longer-term -- our -- our -- when you look at our cost per shipment, if you will, wage cost per shipment, it's generally going up about 3% to 3.5% and -- and more in line with -- with what the wage increase that we give every year has been.

There's -- there's been inflation that we've seen in our benefit cost though and we experienced some of that as well in the second quarter. And -- those fringe benefit costs include multiple factors, some of which are -- are improvements to the overall comp program that -- that we offer to employees and things like paid time-off benefits that we've improved over the years, and the quality of our -- our group health and dental programs as well.

So I mean, those are -- are incremental changes that we're always having to manage. And -- and maybe there's a little bit more variability in terms of when you're self-insured on -- on the health program, you can have changes in -- in one quarter versus the next that aren't necessarily going in alignment with what shipment volumes may be changing.

But -- looking over -- over time, that's just something that we would expect -- will continue to -- to change and -- and reflect the improvements in terms of the benefit program and -- and comp program that we offer employees. But -- 65% of our -- our costs are our salaries, wages and benefits. So that's generally been the biggest driver of our total cost per shipment inflation that's averaged 3.5% to 4% over the long-term as well.

So -- that -- that all goes into it. We've had a lot of other incremental inflationary items, things like the cost of our equipment, maintenance costs that have been up double-digits on a per mile basis the last few years, insurance costs that is a problem for the industry, that have been up double-digits for multiple years in a row. All of those things we continue with and that's why there's got to be an ongoing focus on -- on operating efficiency and -- and discretionary spending.

And -- we're managing our -- our costs day by day in good times and bad if -- if you wait until it's too late, if you wait until they're bad times. You -- you got to have that focus going every day or you may not even know where to start. So that's something that we're always looking at how can we offset all those other costs to basically keep our -- our cost inflation in check. And then -- as you know, the -- the yield management philosophy is we try to achieve 100 basis points to 150 basis points of -- of positive spread over top -- over top of that cost inflation metrics. So that keeps our -- our pricing levels in check with the -- the rest of the industry as well.

So -- it all kind of goes into it, but -- but it's a day by day fight to try to keep our -- our cost inflation minimized as -- as best as we can.

Eric Morgan
Analyst at Barclays

Appreciate it.

Operator

The next question is from Bascome Majors with Susquehanna. Please go ahead.

Bascome Majors
Analyst at Susquehanna Bancshares

Adam, it's encouraging to hear that some signs of seasonality have stuck with you through July so far and appreciate the framing of typical 3Q seasonality on both the top-line and the margin side. Can we look ahead to 4Q without necessarily blessing whether the -- market suggests will be above or below, but how do you frame seasonality for your business into 4Q, both on top-line and a margin basis looking back historically as we try to level set our views? Thank you.

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah. So -- as I've said a couple of times -- the fourth quarter and the first quarter are -- are seasonally slower periods, if you will. The fourth quarter from just a pure revenue per day standpoint, it -- it's just a slight drop-off and then you -- you go into the -- the first quarter and revenue is down -- maybe down -- in the fourth-quarter, 0.5% sequentially versus the third quarter, and then you drop on average about 1.5% going into the first quarter.

From an operating ratio standpoint, the fourth quarter is typically about 200 basis points to 250 basis points higher than the third quarter. And -- a lot of that is the -- the revenue level softening a little bit. We've got three months of -- of that wage increase. Then -- and that normal change, if you remember from last year, we -- we always have a -- actuarial assessment of our insurance reserves in the fourth quarter and -- and those adjustments can go one way or the other. And I generally view those as a reconciling item, so -- so whatever that normal change is. And -- last year was an unfavorable adjustment to that insurance and claims line, but a few years prior, they had been favorable adjustments.

So kind of throw that out of the window and just looking at what is that normal cost progression change.

Bascome Majors
Analyst at Susquehanna Bancshares

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Ken Hoexter with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Ken Hoexter
Analyst at Bank of America

Great. Thanks and -- and good -- good morning. I guess maybe I need to check numbers a little bit. I -- I think we've got a 10-year average in -- in second quarter or the third quarter of a 10 basis-point improvement, not a -- not a 50 basis-point decrease. So I just wanted to double-check that. And then as you start to lap the -- the Yellow freight data, last year, you went from down upper-teens on revenue per day and mid-teens tons per day to -- to kind of much smaller losses.

I -- I guess, given that backdrop, how -- how should we think about the -- the market kind of tonnage per day growth? I know you've talked a lot about revenue per day, but how do we think about the tons per day shift as we move into the -- the third -- or into the back-half of the third quarter and into the fourth quarter?

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah. And I'll come back to that. Let me just address that the second quarter to third quarter change, you're right. The pure math is -- is more about a 10 basis-point change, but there are a couple of years in there that -- that skew that. In '23, last year -- obviously, we had a major acceleration in revenue that allowed us to improve the operating ratio 170 basis points from 2Q to 3Q, and then 2020 was similar, where -- you had the COVID cliff that happened and then the reacceleration of business levels. So when I just look at more of a normalized -- kind of progression, that's typically -- what we'd expect unless you've got something unusual going on -- that -- that would drive some change there.

With respect to the -- the tonnage question and -- and shipments, I mean, obviously, as you said -- we're -- we're -- we had the -- the acceleration that was meaningfully happening last year. If you recall, we were at 47,000 shipments per day, really from December of -- of '22 through July of -- of '23, and immediately stepped up to about 50,000 in August and then accelerated further to 51,000 in September.

So you know, step function change that would be well above anything that was really happening with the underlying economy, if you will. So -- if -- if we can see some type of -- of normal acceleration, if you will, just like from a tonnage standpoint, our 10-year average from July to August is 0.6% [Phonetic] increase there, and then about a 3.5% increase in September.

So -- we'll -- we'll see how that goes. But -- right now, if -- even if you hit those, it would look like you would have -- negative change in those volumes. But -- overall, I think it's just as we look at things sequentially, maybe more so than just a year-over-year given that challenge is what can we achieve relative to what normal seasonality would be. And -- and what we've seen, at least so far, through -- through July.

From a tons per day standpoint just from a pure quarter, we're typically up about 1%. And -- when we gave the numbers earlier, but in the -- the second quarter, that average is just call it 6% and we were up 3%, just sort of rounding numbers. So we were up kind of half of -- of what normal seasonality would suggest. So we -- we've got to make up some ground. Like I said earlier, we always lose a little bit of business in July and that's normal. And so if we can have kind of a little bit of acceleration through August and -- and then see some -- some acceleration into September -- we were almost at normal seasonality in the June period.

And so -- and the same thing with March, you got to adjust for the good Friday. But we're about at seasonality in those stronger growth months of the quarter. So if we can make some progress in August and then see some sense of that -- that strong acceleration through the month of September -- I think we'll be okay. And we've -- we've positioned ourselves well. You know, whenever we -- we come out of this true economic downturn, you know, we're -- we're operating at a 72%, essentially, and 71.9%. I guess I should take credit for every basis point we -- we have in -- in terms of where we've operated.

And when I look at the breakdown of our operating ratio in the quarter and -- and where we are from an overhead standpoint relative to our direct variable cost, I'm really pleased with the improvement that we've made with our direct cost performance. And -- and that just gets into the day to day management -- within our operations in the field, primarily.

And -- but everyone is -- is contributing to that overall operating ratio. And -- but our overhead cost have increased there, 20% to 21% of revenue in the most recent quarter. You know, those costs have been down to around 17% in the past. So, you know, once we get some true density coming back into the -- the network, we've -- we've built our network and our system to accommodate more than 50,000 shipments a day. So once we get back into, you know, 50,000, 55,000, 60,000, whatever that number is, that's where you'll really see the -- the power of -- of operating density in the model.

And you move that scale from 20% to 21% back towards 17% -- that puts us back in -- in the -- with an OR with the 6 handle [Phonetic] on it, back where we were in 2022. So -- it's -- I think we're in a great spot and have managed through this -- this downturn very well, and have certainly put ourselves in a great position to capitalize on the market when we actually start seeing some -- economic wins at our back.

Ken Hoexter
Analyst at Bank of America

Thanks for the time, Adam. Appreciate it.

Operator

The next question is from Brian Ossenbeck with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Brian Ossenbeck
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So, Adam, maybe you can elaborate a little bit more on what end markets or maybe customers are seeing some of that strength at the end of the last two quarters in -- in March and June? Is there anything to read into that? Does it give you any sort of forward-looking to the back half of -- of the year or next year?

And then just kind of another follow-up on competition and extra capacity coming online? Are you seeing anything as these new facilities come back online? Anything that you would call out from either service being disrupted -- disrupted by some of your competitors, or are they being a little bit more aggressive to maybe fill some of those doors and -- and pricing more to capacity and not necessarily cost?

Kevin "Marty" Freeman
President and Chief Executive Officer at Old Dominion Freight Line

Good morning. This is Marty. I'm going to answer your customer question. I -- I'm still heavily involved with a lot of our top customers, and the feeling out there is not all doom and gloom. In fact, our top 50 customers are up -- mid-single-digits year-to-date. So we're -- we're getting a lot of positive remarks, especially from our larger customers.

So -- we -- and they as well see some positive things -- for the rest of the year. So, we're -- we're very positive off, and that -- those things will continue. So-- and as Adam said earlier, they feel and I feel if we can see some -- some interest rate drops toward the end of the year, I think we'll really accelerate.

So we're looking forward to that and -- and prepared to handle it. So it's not all doom and gloom out there. Trust me. Go ahead.

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah. And on the -- the competitive side, you know, we -- we've not seen, I don't think, any material change in the sense of, you know, if someone has opened one service center in whatever market, you know, any -- any type of real impact. And -- as you can see in our yield trends, things continue to be consistent with our performance.

You know, that's -- that's just something we will continue to -- to manage through and -- and monitor. But -- but given the cost that -- that went into purchasing many of these facilities, we'd be a little surprised to -- to see someone going out and -- and having to be aggressive to try to fill it up. And at the end of the day, those service centers served the market for a reason. They were in existence. And -- those -- those particular markets had a customer base that their sales reps called on. And there's LTL shipments that-- that are out there.

And as I referenced earlier, I mean, the market is -- is down overall, and we estimate that it's down about 15% from -- back from in 2021, but that's something that that will recover. Those LTL shipments, those customers will continue to have freight that needs to be moved through an LTL network. And I think that that will end up creating opportunity for -- for us, for the industry in general, to -- to refill those facilities, if you will, once they come online.

But to me, it creates maybe even more of an opportunity for Old Dominion, specifically.

Kevin "Marty" Freeman
President and Chief Executive Officer at Old Dominion Freight Line

I agree with that. There's still over 130 facilities that haven't been sold, so that's actually less capacity when things pick up than we had when YRC was still in business.

Brian Ossenbeck
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Okay. Thanks very much, guys.

Operator

The next question is from Stephanie Moore with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Stephanie Moore
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Hi, good morning. Thank you. I wanted to touch a bit on some of your network investments and maybe some of the terminals that have been opened so far this year. So maybe if you give us -- give us an update on kind of new terminal openings or door additions year-to-date thus far, and then an update in terms of your plans for maybe the back half of this year if there's been any kind of maybe postponement or pause just given the state of the underlying macro? Any color there would be helpful. Thanks.

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah, we've -- we've opened three service centers this year, and we're continuing to execute on our capex plan. The current estimate is to spend about $350 million this year, at least on the real estate component of that program. So -- our -- our plan is we -- we look at the network, we look at the service centers that we feel like need some measure of capacity. And when we look kind of over the next five years, and -- and what the anticipated growth curve may be, and the efficiency of the network comes into play as well, the -- the location of where these facilities are. And -- and so that kind of goes into -- to the overall plan.

And we're a little bit heavy right now, frankly. It's not unusual when we go through a -- a slower economic environment to -- to get a little ahead of the curve. We -- our long-term strategy is we like having 20% to 25% excess capacity in the system. We're at about 30% today. And -- and that's okay. We're comfortable with that.

Now, what that may mean is -- is exactly what you said. There may be facilities that are in process today. We will finish those facilities. And if the demand environment doesn't dictate that we go ahead and open them immediately, we'll finish the construction, we'll start the depreciation and so forth of those facilities. But we'll wait until there's stronger demand to really justify the opening and all the incremental overhead, a cost that -- that goes along with those facilities once they're -- they're operational.

Not just the overhead, but there's configurations to the line haul network that has to happen, and generally, that negatively impacts load factors. So that's something that -- that these other carriers that are opening -- opening multiple facilities will be facing the incremental cost there, which is another reason why we -- we don't anticipate seeing -- reductions in -- in pricing or any pressures there.

But -- but -- so that's something that -- just goes into it and -- and we'll continue to -- to look and evaluate. But -- but overall, continuing to plan and -- and we'll continue to -- the investments that we make are really just based on what we think the market share opportunities are in each of the respective areas.

And so -- we feel like we've got tremendous opportunity ahead. And -- and thus we intend to continue to spend 10% to 15% of our revenues every year on total capital expenditures, the real estate, and then obviously, on the fleet and the technology side as well to keep pace with our anticipated growth.

Stephanie Moore
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Great. Thank you so much.

Operator

The next question is from Bruce Chan with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Bruce Chan
Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus

Hey. Good morning, everyone. Adam -- I wanted to follow up on the seasonality and the macro comments. Certainly, Marty, given your discussion with -- with customers, but -- obviously, there's a lot of moving parts this year with the -- geopolitical situation and with the election. There's been some talk on the 3PL side about volume pull forward.

So -- maybe just wondering, if you've gotten any indication from customers to that effect or if -- you think the demand in seasonality conversations seem to be pretty clear right now? Thank you.

Kevin "Marty" Freeman
President and Chief Executive Officer at Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah. As I've said before, about a third of our business is 3PL related and those are basically the -- the top customers that I was referring to. And most of those that come in here are -- are -- giving us new opportunities to go in with them and -- and handle their business. And for the most part, they're -- they're super positive. We have -- a set of 3PLs in here this morning that I've already talked to, and they're super positive and they've got growth opportunities.

So -- I'm -- I'm positive as well that -- we'll -- we'll see some -- some positive results from these customers. So -- and hope -- hopefully, next year, in the geopolitical environment, if we -- if we see some change there, I think -- I think it will be even more positive. So, Adam?

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

No, I -- I don't really have anything to add. I -- I think that, obviously, any time there's an election year that creates uncertainty and -- and usually puts pressure -- on the overall shipping environment, and -- and we've seen that this year on top of a slower industrial economy in general.

So -- I think that's something that will just be one more measure of uncertainty that -- that will soon be put to bed whatever direction it goes. But -- I think just broadly speaking -- if we start having clarity on some of the macro factors that -- that are impacting business owners and the decisions that they make about expanding their businesses and so forth -- we can make changes from an interest rate environment that -- that helps and helps people and the consumer. We're still a consumer-driven economy.

And so -- that's something that if we can keep a healthy consumer out there, they're buying things that creates inventory that -- that's got to be replenished, and -- that's -- that's the customer call that comes into OD for a shipment to be picked up. So -- that -- that will be the opportunity created. So it's something that we'll continue to measure and monitor and so forth. But we're -- as Marty mentioned, we're seeing improved performance with our -- our 3PL customers right now. We had a little bit stronger retail-related performance in the second quarter. Industrial was okay but kind of reflects the -- the -- industrial environment like the ISM metrics that we talked about earlier.

So -- but -- all of that, it's called a cycle for a reason. And -- it's easy to get caught up when you're in the down part of the cycle. We've managed through that. We've been in the -- the down part of the cycle for a lot longer than -- than I had originally anticipated. But -- it -- it will turn back to the -- the positive at some point, and -- and we're in a great position to capitalize when it does.

Bruce Chan
Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus

Okay. Thanks for that.

Operator

The next question is from Jason Seidl with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Jason Seidl
Analyst at TD Cowen

Thank you, operator. Hey, Marty. Hey, Adam. Thanks for squeezing me in here. Just wanted to follow up, Marty, to some of your comments. You mentioned that you've been talking to a lot of your big customers, and it's not all doom and gloom. I was wondering sort of what areas those customers in? Is this spread across the board? Is this more consumer versus industrial?

And the other one would be -- we've heard a lot about some business being pulled forward from peak season into the 2Q, and I guess, the start of 3Q here. I'm wondering if you guys have seen any impacts from that and how should we look at that going forward?

Kevin "Marty" Freeman
President and Chief Executive Officer at Old Dominion Freight Line

Well -- it's all over the board from a -- from a product or a commodity standpoint. As you see on the news daily -- your hospitality and your travel markets are the ones that's really up over the industrial sector, but -- the commodities and opportunities that we have from these 3PLs and other customers, it's -- it's just all over the board. The inventories are all over the board.

You hear from some that say, you know, we still have a little inventory from last year, and others say, our inventory is getting low, so we're going to start ordering product whether that be -- domestically or -- or overseas. So it -- it's just all over the board. But -- like -- like I said earlier, I'm still -- I'm -- I'm very positive that things have -- have basically bottomed out, and I'm looking forward to -- to better times.

Jason Seidl
Analyst at TD Cowen

Okay. In terms of the pull forward, have you seen any impact?

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

We -- we've not really heard -- any -- any material discussion of -- of any pull forward or whatnot at -- at this point, or at least I -- I've not heard anyone, any of our -- anyone from our sales team or any customer that we've had here in the office that -- that's really spoken to that.

Kevin "Marty" Freeman
President and Chief Executive Officer at Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah, me either.

Jason Seidl
Analyst at TD Cowen

Okay. Perfect. Gentlemen, appreciate the time as always.

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Thanks, Jason.

Operator

And the final question today is from Jeff Kauffman with Vertical Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Jeff Kauffman
Analyst at Vertical Research Partners

Thank you very much and thanks for squeezing me at last here. Marty, bigger picture thought question. I'm just curious of your view. If I look at the ATA LTL tonnage index, it's -- it's down about 8%. And a year ago before Yellow, the volumes of the publicly traded LTL carriers were tracking more closely to that. You know, since Yellow happened, the publicly traded group is showing kind of flat to up 2% tonnage, but the ATA tonnage index is still showing down about 8%.

Is there something going on? Like why would it diverge so much? And is there something going on maybe where the smaller LTL carriers might be struggling a little bit more than -- than you and some of your larger peers. Can you help me kind of bridge this gap?

Kevin "Marty" Freeman
President and Chief Executive Officer at Old Dominion Freight Line

Well, I -- I think probably what you saw when YRC went out of -- out of business is that, you know, customers were struggling to find ways to move that freight, and you know -- and some of it went and not a -- not a large portion of it, but I'd -- some of it went to your smaller freight forwarders, air-freight forwarders, smaller logistic companies, and I think that's where some of that has gone.

And you know, those -- those guys basically don't have any assets, so they're handled at a lower rate. And I think some of that -- that business moved to full truckload carriers as the economy started to slow. And as I've said before, when your economy starts to pick back up, your -- your -- the LTL industry will benefit from -- from that, even from the full truckload industry because we saw some of that freight move to -- to those full truckload carriers as -- as it relates to stop-offs.

And -- once those full truckload carriers begin to get busier and their capacity gets tighter, that freight will move back toward the LTL industry. So I -- I think that type -- the business moved a little bit everywhere based on price. And so, that -- that's how I see it. That's the only way I can explain it.

Jeff Kauffman
Analyst at Vertical Research Partners

So -- so the bigger point I'm going for here is, as you mentioned earlier -- you got the PMI down in negative territory right now, industrial production is kind of flattish, you're 50%, 60% industrial. When we look at your tonnage growth of 2%, you're not chasing any Yellow business, the industry is probably a lot weaker in aggregate than what the five or six publicly-traded truckload companies are reporting that that 2% tonnage growth actually is stronger than the industry appears to be if -- if we look at it through a broader lens and not just the lens of the publicly-traded guys.

Adam N. Satterfield
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Secretary at Old Dominion Freight Line

Yeah. Like you said, I mean, it's -- it's hard to know if we don't have access to all the -- the private carriers, if you will, but -- we think some of that business may have gone there. But -- I think everyone has just been facing the -- the challenge of the slower economy. And -- and so -- it's -- that business, it -- it's hard to trace through when -- when Yellow did 50,000 shipments per day and you just look at -- I did the comparison and looking at second-quarter '23 numbers, and most recently compared them to the first-quarter '24 for the -- at least the publicly-traded carriers, which are 65% to 70% of the industry's revenue.

But -- trying to trace through and figure out where all those shipments went and -- and how they're being handled and -- and what motor are they being handled by, you know, is -- is a tough task. But -- the thing that -- that we take away and what I mentioned earlier is if economically it made sense for those shippers to move their freight within the LTL environment, sharing the cost, leveraging an LTL carrier's network, sharing the cost on smaller shipment sizes with other shippers within the environment, all the benefits of -- of moving freight by LTL that -- that exist, which creates, we think, long-term opportunity for our industry -- those shipments are going to return and they will be there and available again.

And so that -- that's why we continue to believe that -- that our industry, one, will be increasing. We'll get back to the levels where we were in '21, and I believe we'll -- we'll grow further beyond there. And we're in an environment that I think we'll -- we'll end-up with -- with -- who knows what the final capacity number will be, but -- at this point, it looks like total industry capacity could be down 10% or -- or maybe even more from where we were at that '21 period.

So you've -- you've got more volumes and -- and less capacity overall that exist, and there may still be a little bit of -- of shuffling around -- with -- with those shipments, and -- and ultimately finding a home once the -- the market tightens up and everyone gets really busy again. You know, I think that -- that's when you'll see who's really got the best long-term strategy, who has got the best service, the best value, network capacity, people capacity, equipment capacity.

I think when you look at -- at all those factors, and who delivers the -- the best value, I think the answer is just clearly Old Dominion. And so that's why we're excited about what our long-term opportunities are, and think that we will continue to -- to win market share, and ultimately create incremental shareholder value.

Jeff Kauffman
Analyst at Vertical Research Partners

Well, thank you for your insight.

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Marty Freeman for any closing remarks.

Kevin "Marty" Freeman
President and Chief Executive Officer at Old Dominion Freight Line

Thank you all for your participation today. We appreciate your questions and please feel free-to give us a call if you have anything further. And I hope you have a good day and a good rest of your summer. Thanks.

Operator

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