CBRE Group Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 25, 2024

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Second Quarter 2024 CBRE Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Shamni Luthra, Executive Vice President, Head of FP and A and Investor Relations.

Operator

Thank you, Shamni. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to CBRE's Q2 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Earlier today, we posted a presentation deck on our website that you can use to follow along with our prepared remarks and an Excel file that contains additional supplemental materials. Before we kick off today's call, I want to say how excited I am to have joined CBRE last month. I know many of you will already and others I'm looking forward to getting to know better in the weeks months ahead. Now I'll remind you that today's presentation contains forward looking statements, including without limitation, statements concerning expected benefits and synergies from the combination of Turner and Townsend and CBRE project management and other M and A transactions our business outlook our business plans and capital allocation strategy and our earnings and cash flow outlook.

Speaker 1

Forward looking statements are predictions, projections or other statements about future events. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results and trends to differ materially from those projected. For a full discussion of the risks and other factors that may impact these forward looking statements, please refer to this morning's earnings release and our SEC filings. We have provided reconciliations of the non GAAP financial measures discussed on our call to the most directly comparable GAAP measures, together with explanations of these measures in our presentation deck appendix. I am joined on today's call by Bob Soultek, our Chair and CEO and Emma Giamartino, our Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker 1

Now please turn to Slide 5 as I turn the call over to Bob.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Chaudhny, and welcome to CBRE. Good morning, everyone. CBRE had a successful second quarter for three reasons: First, revenue, profitability and cash flow exceeded our expectations. 2nd, we made several sizable capital investments consistent with explicit elements of our strategy. 3rd, we made quick material progress on the cost challenges we identified last quarter.

Speaker 2

I'll briefly touch on all three. As a reminder, when Emma and I reference our performance relative to expectations, we are comparing results to the outlook provided on our last quarterly call. With this in mind, each of our 3 business segments outperformed expectations for both net revenue and segment operating profits. Highlights included Turner and Townsend's 18% net revenue increase and revenue growth of 13% in U. S.

Speaker 2

Leasing and 20% in mortgage origination fees. We believe that our advisory segment is on the cusp an inflection point. On capital deployment, we made significant commitments in the quarter in support of our strategy. Combining CBRE project management with Turner and Townsend will create an exceptional operator in an enormous space with significant secular tailwinds. Given its scale, this combined business will have a profound impact on the future of CBRE.

Speaker 2

I'll discuss the implications of this move in more detail following Emma's remarks. We continue to make investments that take advantage of the lack of capital available for well positioned real estate opportunities by committing approximately $250,000,000 in the second quarter to development projects we believe can be harvested at favorable times in the cycle. Our investment management, development and brokerage businesses enable us to identify and execute these opportunities, and our balance sheet gives us the capacity to act on them. Finally, our acquisition of DirectLine Global enhances our capabilities in data center management, a huge market that is growing rapidly. Regarding progress on costs, actions taken in our GWS segment resulted in improved margin versus Q1.

Speaker 2

This coupled with new business wins has put us back on track to achieve full year margin expansion along with midteens top line growth and mid to high teens bottom line growth in this segment. Taking all of this into account, along with our expectations of a strong second half, we have increased our outlook for full year core EPS to a range of $4.70 to $4.90 up from $4.25 to $4.65 previously. Now, Emma will discuss our 2nd quarter results and outlook in greater detail. Emma?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Bob, and hello, everyone. I'll begin by highlighting the strong performance of our resilient businesses and an improvement in transaction activity. As a reminder, our resilient businesses include Facilities Management, Project Management, Property Management, loan servicing, valuations and investment management fees. Together, these businesses increased net revenue by 14%, reflecting double digit organic growth and a strong contribution from M and A. Notably, our GWS and Advisory segments together delivered double digit net revenue growth for the first time in 18 months with combined leasing and capital markets revenue increasing for the 2nd consecutive quarter.

Speaker 3

Our REI segment has also seen an upturn in activity, contracting to sell multiple development assets at attractive valuations, which we expect to complete in the Q4. Now please turn to Slide 6 for a review of the Advisory segment. Advisory net revenue rose 9% with growth in every line of business except property sales. Globally, leasing revenue exceeded our expectations, led by 13% growth in the U. S, including a nearly 30% jump in office revenue.

Speaker 3

New York, a bellwether for CBRE, was a key driver of the increase. Retail, albeit relatively small, also exhibited strength, while industrial activity declined. Leasing momentum has continued in July, supported by a pickup in demand in many large U. S. Office markets.

Speaker 3

Turning to global property sales, revenue began to stabilize declining only 2% on a local currency basis and 3% in U. S. Dollar terms. A 4% decline in the U. S.

Speaker 3

Was somewhat offset by growth in the U. K. Where property values have largely reset. While APAC was down in dollar terms, sales revenue ticked up slightly in local currency. Our mortgage origination business produced very strong growth, supported by a 20% increase in origination fees.

Speaker 3

Loan origination growth was driven by debt funds, which are offering short term refinancing bridge the gap until interest rates decline. Advisory's net revenue from resilient businesses rose 11% in aggregate. And overall, advisory SOP rose 9% and net margins ticked up slightly compared with Q2 2023. Please turn to Slide 7 for a discussion of the GWS segment. The segment's net revenue rose 16%, above our expectations and we are pleased that organic growth also improved by double digits.

Speaker 3

GWS delivered strong business wins with a healthy balance of new clients and expansions. In addition to robust sales conversion, our pipeline is up more than 6% from the end of 2023, driven by technology and energy sectors. Project Management net revenue delivered double digit growth. Bob will go deeper on Turner and Townsend, a business that we do not believe is fully appreciated later in the call. Turning to Facilities Management, net revenue rose 18% and 11% on an organic basis.

Speaker 3

We committed nearly $300,000,000 to facilities management M and A in the quarter. Most of the capital went to the direct line acquisition, which positions us to accelerate our growth in data center management, an estimated $30,000,000,000 market that is growing rapidly. We also acquired a small local facilities management business in Canada. Local facilities management started as a U. K.

Speaker 3

Focused business that had $630,000,000 gross revenue in 2013 and is now a global business with 3 $100,000,000 of gross revenue in 2023, a 17% compound annual growth rate. This business has significant headroom, especially in North America. GWS' net SOP margin improved by 20 basis points from the Q1 to 10.1 percent, better than expected, reflecting our decisive cost actions. We expect to see year over year margin expansion in our full year results as those cost actions take effect. Please turn to Slide 8 as I discuss the REI results.

Speaker 3

Segment operating profit was slightly better than expected, although significantly lower than prior year, driven by the absence of meaningful development project sales. This is consistent with our plans going into the year, but we now believe we are approaching a period when we again generate significant profits from the sale of development assets. Investment Management operating profit was better than expected largely due to higher co investment returns. AUM is now at more than $142,000,000,000 The $3,600,000,000 we raised thus far this year was offset primarily by lower asset values as well as adverse FX movement. However, asset value declines have moderated and we have seen evidence of valuation stabilizing in certain preferred asset classes in the U.

Speaker 3

S. And Europe. Investor sentiment continues to improve with increased appetite for both core and enhanced return strategies. Now I'll discuss cash flow and capital allocation on Slide 9. Free cash flow improved meaningfully to $220,000,000 and conversion was nearly 90% for the quarter.

Speaker 3

We are increasing our free cash flow outlook for the year to slightly over $1,000,000,000 and now expect to end the year with about one turn of net leverage even after deploying $1,300,000,000 of capital thus far in 2024 across M and A and co investments. Our year to date 2024 capital deployment brings our 3 year total to approximately $4,800,000,000 $3,700,000,000 in M and A and over $1,000,000,000 in REI co investments. M and A is integral to our strategy of enhancing our capabilities in parts of our business that are secularly favored or cyclically resilient. The acquisitions we executed in the quarter are clear examples of advancing this strategy. Our investments in development have accelerated and put us in a position to harvest as much as $750,000,000 in profits over the next 4 years.

Speaker 3

Our combined in process portfolio and pipeline now stands at nearly $32,000,000,000 Over the last few years, when many developers were on the sidelines, our teams have taken advantage of this opportune time in the cycle to source industrial, multifamily and data center land sites in highly desirable locations. We anticipate strong growth and returns from M and A and co investments and expect to continue making highly accretive investments supported by our strong balance sheet. Please turn to Slide 10 for a discussion of our outlook. As Bob mentioned, we are increasing our expectations for full year core EPS to the range of $4.70 to $4.90 driven by higher revenue and SOP in each segment. We anticipate a very strong 4th quarter, which should account for just over 45% of our full year EPS.

Speaker 3

Within Advisory, we now expect mid to high teens SOP growth driven by stronger than expected transaction activity. For GWS, we anticipate mid teens net revenue growth and a full year net SOP margin that is better than the 11.3% we produced in 2023. Our improved outlook is driven by the Facilities Management acquisitions in Q2 and the effects of our cost actions. For REI, our improved SOP outlook is primarily due to the large development asset sales expected to be completed in Q4, which we believe portends an upturn in this business. Before I conclude, let me take a minute to update you on our longer term outlook.

Speaker 3

We have increased confidence in achieving record EPS in 2025, assuming a continued supportive macroeconomic environment. A return to peak core EPS just 2 years following our earnings trough reflects how well we've improved the resiliency of our business compared with prior downturns. We expect even stronger resiliency in the next cycle as a result of the moves we are making. There are several reasons for our increased confidence in our outlook. First, we expect continued double digit growth across our resilient businesses, which are on track to contribute $1,800,000,000 of SOP for full year 2024, up from nearly $1,600,000,000 in 2023.

Speaker 3

2nd, while it's difficult to predict the cadence of the recovery, we can achieve record earnings without an accelerated rebound in transaction activity. Finally, we expect additional strong growth from the capital deployment plans I described earlier. Taking all of this into account, we have great confidence in sustaining a double digit long term growth trajectory. With that, I'll hand the call back to Bob.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Emma. I'll close with some thoughts about Turner and Townsend. While Turner and Townsend has some similarities to traditional commercial real estate project management businesses, its differences are significant and compelling. Beyond traditional corporate real estate project management, Turner and Townsend manages large complex programs in the infrastructure, natural resources and green energy sectors. Examples of this include their work for the Sydney, Australia Rapid Transit System, the New York Metropolitan Transit Authority, Toronto and Abu Dhabi's International Airports and the 1st new nuclear power station to be constructed in the United Kingdom in over 20 years.

Speaker 2

These programs typically span many years and include an array of individual projects. When Turner and Townsend does project work for corporate clients, it typically involves larger, more complex, strategically important assignments. For instance, they are currently program or project managing 112 hyperscale data centers and the creation of multiple $1,000,000,000 plus advanced manufacturing plants around the world. Turner and Townsend is also the world's largest cost consultancy, a rapidly growing practice that secures the best pricing from the marketplace and optimizes cost performance across large complex capital programs. The combination of Turner and Townsend and CBRE project management will create significant revenue synergies between the two businesses' client bases and yield meaningful cost synergies through economies of scale and eliminating redundant functions.

Speaker 2

Turner and Townsend's leadership team will oversee the combined business. They have an exceptional track record in the areas of growth, strategic decision making and risk management. Since Vince Clancy took over as CEO in 2008, Turner and Townsend's net revenue has grown from approximately $225,000,000 to $1,500,000,000 in 2023, a compound annual growth rate of 13%. Since Seabury acquired our 60 percent ownership interest in November 2021, Turner and Townsend's net revenue has grown at a compounded rate of nearly 20%, attesting to the benefits of being part of CBRE's platform. Finally, I want to stress that the combined business, which is positioned to provide years of resilient double digit growth is large.

Speaker 2

It is expected to generate approximately $3,500,000,000 of net revenue and more than $500,000,000 of SOP in 2024. The business will be large enough, resilient enough and rapidly growing enough to change the long term profile of CBRE. Now, operator, let's open the line for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer Thank you. Our first question is from Ronald Kamdem with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Hey, congrats on a great quarter. Just starting with the DWS business, you talked about sort of the full year margin improvement being above last year, but all the cost sort of impacts is going to take place in the second half. Presumably second half is also going to be much higher than the first half. So how do we think about sort of annualizing the second half margin? Is that sort of a good run rate going forward for the business?

Speaker 4

Thanks.

Speaker 3

So Ronald, what you saw in Q2 is that we took a lot of class actions and our margin within Q2 and GWS at 10.1% was above what we are expecting and above what we achieved in Q1. And it's obviously not near the run rate that we expect to target. For the full year, we're expecting the overall margin to be above that 11.3% that we delivered last year. If you're going to see higher margins in the second half, and then going into next year that run rate will be even higher than where we get to for the full year, but we're not going to get to the second half margin on a run rate basis.

Speaker 4

Got it. That's helpful. And then just my second one is just on the advisory expectations and transaction activity. Maybe if you could just talk about what you're seeing on the ground, what you're seeing in the pipeline? Obviously, maybe a better rate backdrop, but what sort of gives you confidence and conviction that you're seeing these green shoots given that we have had fits and starts in the past?

Speaker 4

Thanks so

Speaker 2

much. Hey, Ronald. First of all, thanks for picking up coverage on us. We're thrilled to have Morgan Stanley following us. The first part of the answer to your question is very anecdotal.

Speaker 2

We had the quarter we had in leasing and mortgage originations in the 2nd quarter, and the positive activity has continued into the first part of the Q3 and I'm going to pass it to Emma to let you talk let her talk a little bit more about that. But there's some other things that are giving us confidence. So for instance, we get insight from the fact that we do a lot of different things. We're not only are we an intermediary, but we're a principal. And in our development business now, we are seeing demand for projects that we didn't expect and it's going to happen in the Q4 of this year.

Speaker 2

That gives us confidence that other parts of the capital markets are acting that way. Obviously, there's a sentiment out there that there's going to be a couple of rate cuts or at least one rate cut this year. The bid ask spreads are narrower than they were before except maybe in office. Our investment sales brokers and mortgage brokers are more active and have stronger pipelines than they did before. Our work with office tenants where we measure through all kinds of different mechanisms and surveys, sentiment has gotten better.

Speaker 2

So we have this anecdotal evidence from the Q2 starting and then the Q3 and then we have more technical evidence that causes us to think that we may well have gone through an inflection point on transactions, it's going to impact leasing, it's going to impact sales, it's going to impact mortgage brokerage and it's going to have a really nice impact in the 4th quarter globally.

Speaker 5

In the U. S, we talked about it, we're seeing we're

Speaker 3

seeing on the leasing side is that continues to pick up globally. In the U. S, we talked about it. We're seeing the greatest strength in office leasing. Industrial has been declining slightly, but office is more than making up for that.

Speaker 3

And so continuing into July, we're seeing early signs of accelerating growth within leasing. And we think that would be a great outcome. So we're expecting that to continue through the remainder of the year. On the sales side, we do see strong signs that the sales market is stabilizing. Globally, we're still seeing declines, but you could argue that it's relatively flat globally.

Speaker 3

Sales activity for us, revenue in the quarter was only down 2% on a local currency basis. And we're actually seeing going into July and again it's very early, so we're not going to call anything, but we're starting to see an uptick in activity in the U. S. Sales market.

Speaker 4

Super helpful. That's it for me. Thanks so much. Congrats on the quarter.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Anthony Paolone with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks. Good morning. Bob, you talked about the distinction between Turner and Townsend and just the more traditional commercial real estate businesses. I mean, is that something that you would consider spinning off at some point?

Speaker 6

I mean, you kind of talked quite a bit about those differences and making this disclosure change. So it seemed like maybe you do think of this as being a bit different than the rest of what CBRE does?

Speaker 2

Tony, it's different. But there's a lot of synergy between what Turner and Townsend does and what we do, and it's two way synergy. They operate in 60 countries around the world, and they're more substantial in parts of the world than we are. We've been able to introduce them to our client base in a number of places very successfully. And I'm going to give you an anecdote and I'm going to give you some numbers, one that's repetitive.

Speaker 2

Turner Townsend grew over Vince's Vince Clancy's tenure 13% for many, many years on a compounded basis, more than a decade. Since they've been part of us, they've grown at 20%. Anecdotally, and I mentioned earlier, we benefit from having a whole bunch of different businesses that we undertake. Anecdotally, there are a couple major corporate manufacturing plants that Trammell Crow Company and Turner and Townsend are cooperating on to deliver the development services work and the program management work, dollars 1,000,000,000 plus plant. We believe at Trammell Crow Company and we believe at Turner and Townsend and Vince and his team believe that those projects wouldn't have been landed by us had we not had the ability for those two businesses to cooperate.

Speaker 2

So Turner and Townsend would be a great public company, make no mistake about it. There's a lot of enthusiasm for companies like them in the public markets today. They're very unique even relative to other large program and project management firms and large engineering firms. But they fit really, really nicely with us. And we think there's going to be a great story long term there.

Speaker 2

We put Vince on our board because we think there's so much synergy between what he and his business do and what the rest of our company does. So I hope they're a very long term part of CBRE.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you. And when the disclosure has changed and you'll then have sort of the remaining facilities business and then the project management, how should we think about just organic growth for the facilities piece of it? Because it sounds like project management is going to be pretty high. Just where does that lead facilities?

Speaker 3

Yes. Facilities Management, we believe has a low double digit organic revenue growth trajectory for the very long term and that's supported by 2 components. 1, the enterprise side, which is where we manage large occupier clients globally, that business should grow at a high single digit rate. And that's where you see most of our competitors play in that space. Where our Facilities Management business is different from our competitors is our local business.

Speaker 3

And that's, as you know, the regionally focused business that I talked about in my remarks that has grown in a 17% compound rate over the past decade. And that business should grow at the low to mid teens rate, which is bringing up an even higher over time and we expect to do M and A within the local sector. So that on an organic basis, we are confident that we will remain in the low double digit range and then M and A on top of that will get us higher.

Speaker 6

Okay, got it. And if I could just ask one more question just on the guidance. How much of the bump should we think about is coming from just the outlook for selling more stuff in Trammell Crow and the development gains there?

Speaker 3

So we increased guidance across all three segments. So I'll walk through all three of them. Within advisory, it's as you'd expect increase in transaction activity, and we're getting to mid to high teens SOP growth. Within GWS, the increase is largely due to M and A. Our organic growth expectations are in line with what we expected going into the year, and we're getting to mid to high teens SOP growth for the year within GWS as well.

Speaker 3

And then REI is probably about half of the contribution for the increase in guidance in those couple of very large development deals that we expect to monetize in the Q4. And when we look at the second half, what you're seeing is accelerated growth across all segments. Advisory, you're going to see low double digit growth in the second half, but very strong SOP growth as we have very strong high incremental margins across our leasing and sales business. And then GWS as we've talked about, we've expected very strong revenue growth in the second half as both M and A picks up in the second half and as the large contracts that we won earlier this year and late last year start to be onboarded. And again, we've done a lot of cross work.

Speaker 3

So you're going to see higher than our run rate margins within GWS in the second half as well.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Jade Rahmani with KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Thank you very much. On capital markets side, could you characterize the tone and tenor from participants? In the quarter, property sales were still down year on year, but commercial mortgage surged. Could you please provide some color on what you're seeing?

Speaker 3

So on the commercial mortgage side, we saw a strong uptick in loan origination and that was primarily for refinancing. So there is a big uptick in loan source from debt funds. Volumes from debt funds increased by over 70% in the quarter and that was all refinancing. They're offering very short term bridge loans to bridge providers until the banks and the agencies pick up. We actually saw a decline in originations from banks and the agencies as well, but we expect that to pick up in the second half of the year as rates come down.

Speaker 7

On the sales side, are you seeing an uptick in acquisitions yet or still pretty subdued there most of deal flow is on the debt side?

Speaker 3

We're still seeing we're still seeing we're having a slight uptick in acquisitions, but it's off such a low base that it's not meaningful. It's not a meaningful contributor to our increase.

Speaker 7

Thank you. On the leasing side, many office tenants continue to shrink on average somewhere around 10%, 12%. But activity was so subdued the past 2 years, you are seeing an uptick. Could you talk about that and also comment on retail?

Speaker 3

So on the office side, we are we think we've stabilized in terms of size of transactions and we're really seeing an uptick in volume. And we're seeing our uptick in terms of regionally. We talked about it. You're seeing most of that increase in New York as occupiers are transacting across larger deals. We aren't seeing big movements in terms of square footage per transaction, in terms of obviously rent per transaction.

Speaker 3

All of those metrics seem to have stabilized.

Speaker 7

And lastly on the REI uptick, is that primarily driven by multifamily? Believe that's around 30% of the pipeline. Could you comment as to the percentage of gains? Are they going to be lower than historical due to the cost inflation we've seen as well as interest rates? Or do you think the demand for new product is outweighing that?

Speaker 2

Jade, let me ask you to clarify that. When you say REI, are you talking about development or the investment management business?

Speaker 7

Yes. Sorry, I should have clarified. Within REI, the Trammell Crow Business?

Speaker 2

The activity we're seeing is across 3 product types, data centers, industrial and multifamily. The stuff we harvest in the Q4 is going to be more skewed toward data centers than it ever has been before. That and what's happened there, and again, I don't mean to be too repetitive in what I say, but because of the number of things we're doing across our platform, We end up being in a very strong position to generate certain kind of benefits that we wouldn't other generate, we wouldn't otherwise generate. Trammell Crow Company, when you hear the headline, there's a developer. We build this kind of building or that kind of building and we sell it.

Speaker 2

But one of the things that Trammell Crow Company is exceptional at is land acquisition, entitlements and then developing on the land or harvesting land sites at a profit. The development work they've done over time

Speaker 5

on the industrial side has put Trammell Crow Company

Speaker 2

in a position to land that can be used for data centers. When that happens, the transition from industrial land to data center land generally results in pretty significant profitability and that's going to be a big part of the picture you see in the Q4. Looking out a little further though, what's really, really important to know is that there has been a real lack of capital for securing development new development opportunities in the market the last couple of years. We went through that ourselves. 3rd party capital slowed way down.

Speaker 2

That started to come back significantly. We've capitalized a good number of development projects with 3rd party capital this year. But the other thing we've done is we've come in ourselves and we've identified opportunities in a bigger way than we have historically to use our own balance sheet to buy development land and in some cases fund components of the development process beyond the land. And we are we study it very closely. We are quite confident that we are going to be developing projects and in particular multifamily projects into markets where the number of new projects coming online has slowed down dramatically.

Speaker 2

And that's what you're seeing or hearing in our comments about profitability coming out of that business.

Speaker 7

Can you say whether the increase in guidance or the uptick in REI in the Q4 is predominantly due to the data center sales? I have in my coverage seen homebuilders, for example, sell land parcels they intended for residential to data center developers and they've generated huge gains, but those really are not as sustainable as their regular business.

Speaker 3

So the uptick in the 4th quarter is large in REI is largely related to these data center asset sales. But the comment around is whether that's sustainable. I think one of the pieces that we really focus on in our remarks is the embedded profits within our Trammell Crow in process and pipeline portfolio. And we talked about $750,000,000 of profits that are in that portfolio today at relatively conservative underwriting assumptions that we expect to generate over the next 4 years. Now that will be more weighted towards the outer years as it takes time to build these projects.

Speaker 3

But there is a significant amount of embedded in that portfolio and it is very much sustainable. And we do think that that element of our business is underappreciated, the amount of profits that will be coming out of that. And so when you look at these data center sales that we're expecting this year, we believe that that's a signal to us that there is an upturn in this business coming and there will be an uptick from here.

Speaker 2

If I could, let me just add on to that. And Jade, to specifically address what you said, and that $750,000,000 does not depend on all kinds of good luck with industrial sites transitioning to be data center sites. That's an asset by asset review of our portfolio for the purposes that we acquired it for, unless we know today that it's going to move to another asset class and measuring where we think it will come out over time.

Operator

Our next question is from Michael Griffin with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Great, thanks. Just want to go to capital deployment for my first question. Obviously, you guys have been like this so far this first half of the year, whether it's through M and A or buying back stock. I'm wondering if you can give us a sense of how you weigh kind of those opportunities against each other. Is there a time where your stock price might hit a certain dollar amount that you're like, all right, it's time to really get aggressive here?

Speaker 8

And just kind of how you weigh those two factors against each other? Color there would be appreciated.

Speaker 3

Yes. So our strategies remain consistent in terms of capital deployment. We prioritize M and A, and we're focused on looking at strategic highly accretive acquisitions that drive a very strong return and will enhance our capabilities. We've been very focused on facilities management and project management. We expect both of those to tick up over the next few years.

Speaker 3

Our pipeline is very strong, So we always caution that it's very difficult to predict M and A and we are extremely diligent in our underwriting. And so we focus on the deals that make the most sense and are going to drive the strongest return. And then in every single one of our deals, they have to exceed our hurdle rate that makes sense and they have to exceed the return that we would get from share repurchases. So we look at where our stock is trading compared to our intrinsic value and make sure that those deals exceed that. Now if we don't have a tremendous amount of M and A in our pipeline or it's difficult to execute for whatever reason and you've seen this in the past 3 years, we will buy back our shares.

Speaker 3

This year, we've done a lot of M and A so far, so I don't expect a tremendous amount of repurchases in the second half of the year, but that's simply a result of the amount of capital we've deployed this year.

Speaker 8

Emma, can you give us a sense of kind of those hurdle rates you're underwriting for potential M and A opportunities?

Speaker 3

So well above our cost of capital, most of our deals, I think all of our deals are underwritten net above and mid teens return. And that's pretty much all I can say about that.

Speaker 8

Great. That's helpful. And then my second question was just kind of on the leasing. I know you touched on it earlier, particularly for the office side. But are you seeing this greater demand coming from all office products broadly, or is it just in kind of that trophy and Class A product?

Speaker 8

And then you called out New York as a relative bright spot, but I'm wondering if there are any other big markets, either domestically or globally that surprised you to the upside?

Speaker 2

Well, for sure, Class A office space is really attractive now because so many companies are focused on the experience of their employees, the productivity of their employees, the presence of their employees, etcetera. That's a well documented dynamic, and it's easier to make that happen in better quality office space. But beyond New York, yes, in the tech markets, we're seeing a considerable pickup and I believe we believe that it's driven by AI and all the activity around AI. But the Bay Area, Austin, Texas, etcetera, we're seeing a pickup in those markets.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Steve Sakwa with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 9

Yes, thanks. Good morning. Most of my questions have been asked. But I guess one small, just follow-up. I know the share buybacks was relatively late in the quarter, but I didn't necessarily see the actual shares bought back or an average price on the buybacks.

Speaker 9

I don't know if you have that.

Speaker 3

In the quarter, it was minimal. We repurchased $50,000,000 worth of shares at an average price of $87

Speaker 9

Great. And then maybe, Bob, just on the cost containment, obviously, that seemed to maybe come through much talent retention and talent acquisition at this part of talent retention and talent acquisition at this part of the cycle? And how does that maybe affect or not affect kind of the margins going forward?

Speaker 2

Steve, we have a philosophy about our business here that we want to drive this company in a way that we perform at a high level in everything we do. One of the things that we're doing in that regard is focusing more and more on getting rid of costs that don't contribute to the success of the company, costs of every kind, technology projects that don't contribute, people that don't contribute, office space that doesn't contribute, and the stuff that does contribute, good office space, good technology, good people, we are aggressive buyers of those things to build our business. And what's happened is and we have a transformation office that reports to Emma, so I ought to let Emma comment on that, is we are aggressively looking for those things we can get rid of and you saw that happen in the second quarter. But the stuff we need, we're aggressive buyers, we're aggressive buyers of land, we're aggressive buyers of talent, we brought on some spectacular talent in the last quarter. We have an aggressive technology investment program, but we are narrowing the things that we're investing in and being very careful.

Speaker 2

And Emma, if you want to add to that.

Speaker 3

Yes, I'll add that. We our transformation office is focused on making long term sustainable change in how we operate our business. And so we are not focused on episodic cost reductions. We want to be focused on delivering consistent operating leverage over time. You can see that margin expansion.

Speaker 3

And that's not an easy thing to do, but it's something that we're very focused on and all of our business leaders are very focused on. So from here on out, everything is focused on really driving that efficiency and as we add resources, as we invest in technology, as we invest in people, those are extremely smart decisions so that we know that down the road we don't have

Speaker 5

to cut back.

Speaker 9

Great. Thanks. That's it for me.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Stephen Shelton with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Hey, thanks for taking my questions and nice work here. First, now that you'll have DirectLine, are there other pieces you might need to pursue a comprehensive facility management solution around data centers and GWS? And just generally, how are you thinking about that opportunity and the differentiation of your capabilities now relative to peers and others playing in that market?

Speaker 2

Stephen, to answer that question, I want to back up and talk about how we think about M And I think Emma and I would agree that there's more work we have to do on our side to get the market that invests in CBRE shares to understand how we do M and A. First of all, we don't have a group of businesses and a group of leaders that sits there and waits for something to come up for sale at a good price. We are a very strategy driven company. Each of our business has a strategy for how they want to grow. And that strategy is very attentive to A, adding capabilities and B, adding capabilities in areas that we think will sustainably do well in the marketplace, either because they're cyclically resilient or they are secularly favored.

Speaker 2

There is no better example of that obviously than Turner and Townsend. So if you look at our Facilities Management business, we are doing things that the marketplace wouldn't expect us to do because we've asked the leaders in the various sectors within Facilities Management, so financial, technology, etcetera, to understand their business and the capabilities that they can bet in that business that will differentiate it and make it attractive to our clients in the long run. Then we go out in the marketplace seeking out those acquisitions. So the deals that you've heard us make in the last year, those we do not do those deals through auctions. None of those deals came to us turn around.

Speaker 2

Townsend wasn't done through an auction, J and J wasn't done through an auction, direct line wasn't done through an auction, the local FM business we bought in Canada during the quarter wasn't done through an auction. Those were none of those were done through an auction. We went to the sellers of those businesses or the owners of those businesses and pursued them because we thought they were a good fit. We have ideas around our business. We have an increasingly well developed corporate development team led by a 7 14, 15 year Morgan Stanley veteran that then acts on those ideas to acquire them and we integrate them after that.

Speaker 2

That's our approach to M and A. And as a result, you should expect us to see you should expect to see us do more deals in the facilities management space and other spaces that you didn't expect because they aren't highly visible by others in the market.

Speaker 5

Got it. Yes, that's really helpful. Thanks, Bob. And then just I guess as a follow-up in Investment Management, can you just talk about what you're seeing on the fundraising side right now? Has the environment there changed as you look back over the last few months?

Speaker 3

Yes. We've seen a pickup activity in activity. We were expecting a pickup in activity in enhanced return strategies, but we've also seen a pickup in the first half in core and core plus. And I think you're hearing that broadly across the market, which we think is a very positive indicator

Speaker 5

for the remainder of the year. Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Now our next question is from Peter Abramowitz with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Thank you and thanks for the time. I just wanted to ask about sort of the relative stabilization and resilience versus your expectation And could you comment and just give us more color on whether that's dry powder on the sidelines and how much kind of pent up demand there is from the last couple of years pretty depressed activity?

Speaker 2

Yes. Peter, you just said something that's really important, pent up demand. When we talk about investment sales activity coming back, the trading of assets coming back, It's not going to be a circumstance where the marketplace is going to become more attractive because rates have stabilized, bid ask spreads have come down, and therefore, a bunch of people assets held by people that wanted to sell them for the last couple of years. There has been a massive amount of capital on the sidelines that wanted to get in and do real estate deals for the last couple of years. The buyers and sellers have been there.

Speaker 2

We don't have to find them, they're there. What has to happen is the environment needs to get to a place where you're going to see people jump in and act. And what's happened is the certainty around interest rates coming down has grown, the bid ask spread has narrowed, there's less volatility in the market. And that's why in a business like our Trammell Pro Company Development Business where we're a principal, not an intermediary, we're seeing action, very real action that's going to take place in the Q4. We've been there with those assets.

Speaker 2

Now we're going to trade those assets, because the environment is going to be right.

Speaker 8

Thanks, Bob. I appreciate the color. And then I wanted to ask about specifically on the office leasing side. I guess just kind of looking at the algorithm between pricing and volume, obviously volume is improving to start the first half of the year. Overall, I mean, are you still seeing pricing continuing to go up on those Trophy assets?

Speaker 8

And then overall in the broader market, if you zoom out to look at trophy as well as kind of Class A minus and then commodity below that, how is pricing trending and how does that sort of affect your outlook for leasing revenues?

Speaker 2

Peter, Emma is a good one to answer that question because in addition to all the other things she does, she actually handles our real estate portfolio and she's in the market now. And so she can tell you as a consumer what that feels like.

Speaker 3

So on the office leasing side, and Bob's talking about flicking in New York. For trophy assets, yes, especially in New York, those prices are increasing. But if you look broadly across our office leasing portfolio of transactions, pricing is pretty much stabilized. But there are very there's big differences in what's happening by asset type and by quality of assets and by market.

Speaker 8

All right. Thanks. That's all for me.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to hand the floor back over to Bob Selentic for any closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thanks for joining us everyone and we'll talk to you again at the end of the Q3.

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