NYSE:CMS CMS Energy Q2 2024 Earnings Report $74.99 +1.49 (+2.02%) As of 01:49 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast CMS Energy EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.66Consensus EPS $0.63Beat/MissBeat by +$0.03One Year Ago EPS$0.75CMS Energy Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.61 billionExpected Revenue$1.73 billionBeat/MissMissed by -$119.95 millionYoY Revenue Growth+3.30%CMS Energy Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date7/25/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, July 25, 2024Conference Call Time9:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsCMS Energy's next earnings date is estimated for Thursday, April 24, 2025, based on past reporting schedules. Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by CMS Energy Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 25, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the CMS Energy 20 24 Second Quarter Results. The earnings news release issued earlier today and the presentation used in this webcast are available on CMS Energy's website in the Investor Relations section. This call is being recorded. After the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be provided at that time. Operator00:00:24Just a reminder, there will be a rebroadcast of this conference call today beginning at 12 p. M. Eastern Time running through August 1. This presentation is also being webcast and is available on CMS Energy's website in the Investor Relations section. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Operator00:00:39Jason Shaw, Treasurer and Vice President of Investor Relations. Speaker 100:00:44Thank you, Harry. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. With me are Gerrick Rochow, President and Chief Executive Officer and Reggie Hayes, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. This presentation contains forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties. Please refer to our SEC filings for more information regarding the risks and other factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially. Speaker 100:01:14This presentation also includes non GAAP measures. Reconciliations of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in the appendix and posted on our website. And now, I'll turn the call over to Gary. Speaker 200:01:28Thank you, Jason, and thank you everyone for joining us today. Our proven investment thesis, which delivers 6% to 8% adjusted earnings growth and affordable bills for our customers has been durable for more than 2 decades because we focus on what matters. Today, I'm going to highlight 2 key areas of our thesis. First, Michigan's strong regulatory environment, build on a solid constructive framework much of which is codified in Michigan law, 10 month forward looking rate cases, important financial and fuel recovery mechanisms and increased energy waste reduction incentives, just to name a few attributes. This robust framework supports Michigan's position as a top tier regulatory environment and provides important supportive incentives for needed investments to make our electric and gas systems safer, more reliable and resilient and cleaner. Speaker 200:02:33And second, our continued commitment to affordable bills for our customers. As I've said before, we work both sides of the equation. We make important investments and we keep customer bills affordable. I consider our use of the CE Way, our lean operating system, one of the best in the industry. This approach limits upward pressure on customer bills and is critical in the delivery of our investment plan. Speaker 200:03:04And we continue to see a long runway of cost saving opportunities well into the future, delivering industry leading results for all our stakeholders. From a regulatory perspective, we're off to a strong start for the year. As you can see on Slide 4, our regulatory calendar is mostly complete. We received a constructive order in our electric rate case in March, filed our new electric rate case in May and settled our gas rate case earlier this month, the 4th consecutive settlement in our gas business, 4 consecutive settlements in gas, yet another proof point highlighting the strong regulatory environment in Michigan. We're very pleased with our recently approved gas settlement, which calls for a $62,500,000 of effective rate relief, a 9% or 9.9 percent ROE and a 50% equity ratio. Speaker 200:04:09We plan to follow our next gas rate case in December of this year. Outside of rate cases, our upcoming 20 year renewable energy plan or REP filing in November is the only major remaining filing for the year. Let me pause there for a moment. Midway through the year, our financial related regulatory outcomes are known. This is a great place to be. Speaker 200:04:39I also want to talk about our formula to deliver customer affordability as we make important investments. Long term filings like our renewable energy plan detail the significant planned investments that support safe, reliable, clean and affordable energy for our customers. As we've shared previously, we see more investment opportunities as we make the transition to renewables and clean energy. In addition to the $17,000,000,000 of needed customer investments in our 5 year capital plan, our electric reliability roadmap and natural gas delivery plans highlight important investments well beyond what's in our financial plan. Now that's a long way of saying we see a long runway of necessary and important customer investments. Speaker 200:05:29These investments must be balanced with a laser focus on customer affordability. We take seriously our ability to create capital headroom to make those investments through continued use of the CEUA, which provides over $50,000,000 of annual customer savings, renegotiating over market PPAs and retiring our coal facilities, which together provide well over $200,000,000 in savings as we transition toward cleaner resources. Capitalizing on economic development opportunities, particularly in manufacturing, which brings jobs and significant mission investments, spreading fixed costs over a larger customer base, benefiting all customers. Lastly, leveraging our best in class energy waste reduction programs to help customers reduce bills. This is a formula that works for everyone, continuing to strengthen the system with important investments while keeping customer bills affordable. Speaker 200:06:31Now let's look at the results and outlook. For the first half, we reported adjusted earnings per share of $1.63 up $0.18 versus the first half of twenty twenty three, largely driven by the constructive outcomes in our electric and gas rate cases. We remain confident in this year's guidance and long term outlook and are reaffirming all our financial objectives. Our full year guidance remains at $3.29 to $3.35 per share with continued confidence toward the high end. Longer term, we continue to guide toward the high end of our adjusted EPS growth range of 6% to 8%, which implies and includes 7% up to 8%. Speaker 200:07:22With that, I'll hand the call over to Reggie. Speaker 100:07:25Thank you, Garik, and good morning, everyone. On Slide 7, you'll see our standard waterfall chart, which illustrates the key drivers impacting our financial performance for the 1st 6 months of 2024 and our year to go expectations. For clarification purposes, all of the variance analyses herein are in comparison to 2023, both on a year to date and a year to go basis. In summary, through the first half of twenty twenty four, we delivered adjusted net income of $485,000,000 or $1.63 per share, which compares favorably to the comparable period in 2023, largely due to higher rate relief net of investment costs. And while we have seen some glimpses of favorable weather, particularly in June, overall weather continues to be a headwind through the first half of the year, equating to $0.05 per share of negative variance. Speaker 100:08:26And that figure includes the warm winter weather experienced in our service territory in the Q1, which I'll remind you had the 2nd lowest number of heating degree days in the past 25 years. As mentioned, rate relief, net investment related expenses, one of the key drivers of our first half performance, resulted in $0.13 per share of positive variance due to constructive outcomes achieved in our electric rate order received in March and last year's gas rate case settlement. From a cost perspective, our financial performance in the first half of the year was negatively impacted by heavy storm activity, including a notable weather system that impacted our service territory in late June resulting in $0.03 per share of negative variance versus the comparable period in 2023. Rounding out the 1st 6 months of the year, you'll note the $0.13 per share of positive variance highlighted in the catch all bucket in the middle of the chart. The primary sources of upside here were related to solid operational performance at Northstar and higher weather normalized electric sales. Speaker 100:09:37Looking ahead, as always, we plan for normal weather, which equates to $0.20 per share of positive variance for the remaining half of the year, given the mild temperatures experienced in the final 6 months of 2023. From a regulatory perspective, we'll realize $0.12 per share of positive variance largely driven by the aforementioned electric rate order received from the commission earlier this year and the constructive outcome achieved in our recently approved gas rate case settlement, which Derek summarized earlier. Closing out the glide path for the remainder of the year, as noted during our Q1 call, we anticipate lower overall O and M expense at the utility driven by the usual cost performance fueled by the CEWAY and the residual benefits from select sustainable cost reduction initiatives implemented in 2023 such as our voluntary separation plan among others. Collectively, we expect these items to drive $0.09 per share of positive variance for the remaining 6 months of the year. Lastly, in the penultimate bar on the right hand side, you'll note a significant negative variance, which largely consists of the absence of select one time countermeasures from last year and the usual conservative assumptions around weather normalized sales and non utility performance among other items. Speaker 100:10:58In aggregate, these assumptions equate to $0.35 to $0.41 per share of negative variance. In summary, despite a challenging first half of the year, we're well positioned to deliver on our 2024 financial objectives to the benefit of customers and investors. Moving on to our financing plan, Slide 8 offers more specificity on the balance of our planned funding needs in 2024, which at this point are limited to debt issuances at the utility. I'll bring to your attention a relatively modest increase to our 2024 planned financing utility. Specifically, we are now planning to issue approximately $675,000,000 in the second half of the year versus the implied estimates in our original guidance of $500,000,000 to rebalance the rate making capital structure at the utility in accordance with recent rate case outcomes. Speaker 100:11:52Although not highlighted in the table on the slide, I'm pleased to report that we have completed all of our planned tax credit sales for the year at levels favorable to our plan and ahead of schedule. I'll also reiterate that we have no planned long term financings at the parent in 2024, but remain opportunistic should we see a cost efficient opportunity to pull ahead some of our 2025 financing needs. As I've said before, our approach to our financing plan is similar to how we run the business. We plan conservatively and capitalize on opportunities as they arise. This approach has been tried and true year in and year out and has enabled us to deliver on our operational and financial objectives irrespective of the circumstances to the benefit of our customers and investors and this year is no different. Speaker 100:12:47And with that, I'll hand it back to Garik for his final remarks before the Q and A session. Speaker 200:12:53Thank you, Reggie. CMS Energy, 21 years of consistent industry leading financial performance. I have confidence in our strong outlook this year and beyond as we continue to execute on our simple investment thesis and make the necessary and important investments in our system while maintaining customer affordability. With that, Harry, please open the lines for Q and A. Operator00:13:53Our first question today comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet of JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Speaker 300:14:01Hi, good morning. Speaker 200:14:03Hey, good morning, Jeremy. How are you? Speaker 400:14:07Good, good. Thanks. Just wanted to turn towards DIG for a little bit here if we couldn't and just want to get updated thoughts with regards to re contracting overall and just I guess the outlook in this environment given kind of trends in power price? Speaker 200:14:25I would suggest, Jeremy, it's consistent with what we shared in the past. Energy and capacity markets, that upward pressure continues to be a ripe opportunity and we continue to strike nice bilateral contracts to secure higher energy and energy and capacity prices well above our plan. And so again, it's a good opportunity to continue to do that. And as we've shared in the past, this just continues to strengthen and lengthen our financial performance. Speaker 400:15:00Got it. Thank you for that. And then it seems like halfway through the year CMS is in a pretty good position overall. Just wondering any thoughts you could share with regards to, I guess, how weather is looking and impacts for 3Q as it stands right now and really getting towards, I guess, cost management thoughts and whether you might be in a position to pull forward cost to further de risk the future outlook and how you think about all that? Speaker 100:15:27Jeremy, it's Reggie. I appreciate the question. I would say weather outlook looks fairly good for Q3, but obviously early days. And I will just say personally I don't give a lot of credence to 2 3 month outlooks. I'm much more focused on the 10 days ahead, which appear to be a bit more accurate. Speaker 100:15:44And so we always remain paranoid about weather. And just based on year to date, weather has not been all that kind. And so we'll continue to execute on cost performance related initiatives. We've had some good success over the last several years in executing on cost management over the course of the year and we'll continue to do that through Q3. As I mentioned in the Q1 call, it's still premature to start thinking about pull ahead for 2025. Speaker 100:16:11I'd say historically even in the best of years where weather was really helpful in the first couple of quarters, we still didn't think about flexing up or pull ahead or any of those types of derisking mechanisms until we got deeper into Q3 and had a real good outlook on the Q4. So hopefully more to talk about from a 2025 de risking perspective next quarter, but at this point it's too premature to get into that. Speaker 200:16:33And if I could just add to that, Jeremy, part of the call here in my prepared remarks, I talked about the confidence. Confidence comes from the fact that we're executing on the CE way. We've done that historically. We've been at a runway to greater than $50,000,000 on an annual basis. We see that continuing. Speaker 200:16:50There are a number of things that we did in 2023 in terms of Reddy shared in his prepared remarks, voluntary separation, contract controls, those continue to yield benefit in the year. And also we're applying a lot of digital solutions, everything from work in the field to automate work all the way into the office, things like work management that continue to provide additional cost savings in the year. So again, confident, as I shared in the call here earlier in delivering guidance for the year. Speaker 400:17:23Got it. I appreciate that. And then if I could just wrap with thoughts on opportunity to service data centers going forward here and I guess the interplay with regards to legislation in Michigan, whether that comes to fruition and how that might impact the pace of such type of development? Speaker 200:17:42Jeremy, you know us well enough, the Hays Rochow team here. Well, pretty conservative in our approach to financials. And as I shared in the Q1 call, we want to make sure they're signed on the dotted line, you might say, before we talk about it. So we don't inflate our sales forecast. I would just say that there's a lot of interest in both manufacturing and data centers in the state. Speaker 200:18:06As I shared in the Q1 call, we've seen a lot of manufacturing growth that continues into Q2. We saw data center, we talked about one that we signed in Q1, 230 Megawatts. There continues to be strong interest in the state, both the hyperscalers and also we're seeing some growth in what I call mid scalers from a data center perspective. Those continue to move forward regardless of the cherry on top of the sundae, you might say. Speaker 400:18:46Got it. Makes sense. Fair enough. I'll leave it there. Thanks. Speaker 200:18:49Thank you, Jeremy. Operator00:18:54Our next question today is from the line of Shari Abhiredza of Guggenheim Partners. Please go ahead. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:19:02Hey guys. Hey, Shari. Good morning. Speaker 600:19:03Good morning, Speaker 700:19:05Shar. Good morning, Rich. So I know you guys noted previously that the FCM mechanism could be incremental sort of on the new generation not in plan. As we're kind of getting closer to the November rep filing, any thoughts on where demand is headed and how maybe CMS would be positioned for upside there? So any thoughts on incremental CapEx versus the PPA You're Speaker 200:19:36throwing curveballs out It's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, Speaker 800:19:38it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, Speaker 200:19:38it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Let's talk about this. We see we definitely see as a part of this energy law additional upside. That shows up in ownership of assets, it shows up in the financial compensation mechanism. Both those are true. Let me talk about how they'll play out though. Speaker 200:20:07We're going to file our renewable energy plan in November. It's a 10 month process. So we'll know in 2025 kind of latter half of the year what that looks like. And so in our 2026 capital plan, you'll see what that means, our 2026 financials, both from an SDM perspective as well as what might the ownership mix look like. And so that's where it will play out. Speaker 200:20:33In addition to that, that's probably a portion of the story because in 2026, we'll also file our integrated resource plan, which will talk about some of the reliability pieces and some of the work to deliver the capacity component of that. So between 2026, 2027, 2028, I think that's when you'll see the capital impact as well as the financial compensation mechanism play out in terms of our financials. And I will say this, we've seen some good economic growth in the state that will show up in our renewable energy plan. We're definitely seeing a greater need than was in our original 2021 IRP. So I'll leave it at that and certainly that will provide additional upside opportunity in terms of capital growth in addition to the energy law. Speaker 700:21:20Perfect. And then just Speaker 600:21:20a quick follow-up and I obviously I'll Speaker 700:21:22dedicate this to Garik. Just on the great case filing on the electric side, it's obviously it's in the early innings. It's kind of a more of a 'twenty five event. The provisions and sort of the mechanisms like the IRM and Doctor remain on change. I guess, do you feel there would be sort of an opportunity for settlement after testimony given this is kind of a less complex case? Speaker 700:21:44I guess, how are you sort of thinking about settlement path versus the prior litigated path? And is there anything and I dedicate this to you, any other rate design stuff in there that can cause some contention? Speaker 500:21:55Thanks. I set myself up for that one, didn't I? Speaker 700:22:01As I shared Speaker 200:22:02on these calls, I will always look for settlement opportunities. I'm also very confident in our team. We put great case together and we can go the full distance just as we did this year in our March order. And so when I think about this electric rate case, there's some things that have to be figured out to really get some context around the opportunity for settlement. One, I think it's really important to understand that electric cases are more complex than gas cases. Speaker 200:22:28So for example, we have less than 10 interveners in our gas case. We have a little over 20 in our electric case. That's not abnormal. It's just it's a more complex case. There's more interested parties. Speaker 200:22:40So we have to navigate through that. I also think it's important to find where staff is and where the attorney general are at in this case. That will come in September. Those are important points to know in the context of settlement opportunities. But understand this, I am very confident in this case. Speaker 200:22:58It is focused on electric reliability. That's well aligned with what customers are asking for, what the commissioners and the staff are asking for and what I've committed to do. And so this case has great capital investments and undergrounding has important work in hardening the system, automated transfer reclosers, technology on the system. There's important work in O and M and tree trimming, our number one cause of outage and other important maintenance work across the system. We're going to leverage the infrastructure recovery mechanism. Speaker 200:23:33We'll certainly look for we're going to try another storm mechanism in this case as well. And so I feel confident in our ability to get the very constructive outcome just given how well aligned we are across the commission, staff as well as our customers. So hopefully that gives you some context on the case. Now on rate design, let me just talk a little about rate design. Specifically, data centers are not at our economic development rate. Speaker 200:24:01We had an ex parte filing that made an adjustment in that, that was approved. And so in the meantime, they are industrial rate, we thought our GDP rate. And what that does is a better balance of both capacity and energy costs, the cost to serve those customers. The commission as well as the utility has been looking and exploring the opportunity specific data center rate, but in the interest of time, the GDP is a good proxy for that in our mind. And so well suited from a rate design perspective, from a data center perspective. Speaker 200:24:39I also I said GDP, I think that's the wrong thing. I was hoping for something different there. Maybe that was a GPD is what I meant. GPD. Sorry about that, Shar. Speaker 800:24:51I had Speaker 200:24:51my eyes on the economics. Speaker 900:24:52According to Slur. It's election time. Speaker 200:24:55I have my mind on other things like what's going to happen with our economy. Speaker 1000:25:01There you go. I appreciate it guys. Speaker 600:25:02I think you just set Speaker 700:25:03up the next call to ask you an election question. I'll see you soon. Thank you guys. Speaker 300:25:08Thank you. Operator00:25:12Our next question today is from the line of Michael Sullivan of Wolfe Research. Please go ahead. Your line is now open. Speaker 900:25:19Hey, everyone. Good morning. Speaker 800:25:21Good morning. Speaker 900:25:22Good morning. Good morning. Just wanted to go back to the data center legislation discussion. I think on the last call you talked about a 230 Megawatt data center coming in 2026. Was that contingent on the legislation or your understanding is still moving forward? Speaker 900:25:44And are there any other examples of that or is everyone else kind of waiting Speaker 200:25:50inflation? It was not contingent. That one is still moving forward. That's the signed piece. And I guess that's my point. Speaker 200:25:58What we hear from data centers, it's more important about how fast can you get transmission here, how much cash can you build that conversion from transmission distribution to substation, how fast can you get supply here and we're able to do that. And so many of those mid scalars and hyperscalers continue to make forward steps regardless of the progress on the sales and use tech. Just to give you a little context, at the end of the spring session, legislature was focused on the state budget. In the words of our Governor, we got to fix the damn road and we got to fund schools, right. And so those are important things too. Speaker 200:26:32I don't want we want smart kids in the state. So those are important things underway. That conversation on data centers and the sales tax will continue into the fall. Now we're in elections, so it will be difficult for me to predict how fast that will move or it could happen in lame duck. And so we'll continue that conversation in the state. Speaker 200:26:51But again, it is not it's not stopping things from moving forward, Michael. Speaker 900:26:59Okay. And is that like a good proxy for how long it takes new load to come on to your system, about 2 years with that one being 2026? Speaker 200:27:10There's a number of variables there, Mike. So in the case of that data center, what we talked about is they're bringing on load by 2025, 2026 and where they're located on the system makes a big difference. And so we're able to accommodate that. Depending on where data center locates from a property perspective makes a difference. Just as far as how far do we have to extend lines, is it Greenfield, is this Brown, there's all kinds of variables that go into it. Speaker 200:27:39But we're in that 2 to 3 years cycle. And again, even if you're at the tail end of that cycle, data centers are moving quickly and that doesn't seem to be holding them up too much. Speaker 900:27:52Okay, great. And then separately, just kind of sticking with legislation. I think there were some comments a few months ago from the PSC Chair about rate case timelines being a bit compressed these days. Are you hearing any chance of legislation coming up that would revert back to 12 months for a cycle from then and just a general sense for rate fatigue in the state in light of those comments? Speaker 200:28:23The short answer is no. As you know, what makes Michigan great is much of the regulatory environment is set in law. So 10 month forward looking rate cases is in the law. Financial compensation mechanisms, energy efficiency incentives are in the law. And we just went through that law. Speaker 200:28:42We just opened and it was just signed here last November. And we're hearing nothing in terms of opening that law back up or looking at different provisions. Now, we continue to always have a constructive dialogue with the commission and the staff. And so I do think there are opportunities, right, in terms. And so I'll give you one example, just one example of probably many you could think about. Speaker 200:29:08We have a great process for an integrated resource plan and renewable energy plan that lay out an energy supply portfolio. So we get it pre approved and then it flows into rate case. It really streamlines rate cases. What if we could do the same thing on the distribution system, wouldn't that be great? Let's build a 5 year reliability roadmap. Speaker 200:29:26Wait, we've already done that. Let's do that. Let's approve that and then have that flow into rate cases. That could really streamline the process and done in the right way you can potentially see a path where you could stay out for a period of time, again done in the right way. And so the kind of the nature of Michigan's constructive regulatory environment, let's explore that. Speaker 200:29:49Let's see if there's opportunities there to even further bolster Michigan's constructive nature. Speaker 900:29:58Okay. That's really helpful color. Thanks a lot. Speaker 200:30:01Thank you, Michael. Operator00:30:05Our next question today is from the line of Andrew Weisel of Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Your line is now open. Speaker 200:30:13Good morning, Andrew. Hi, good morning. Speaker 600:30:17Good morning. Two quick ones. First, C and I weather adjusted volumes were down in the quarter. It's a bit of a reversal from the Q1. I know the Q1 was extremely mild weather, so those numbers are probably a little bit goofy. Speaker 600:30:31But any commentary on the underlying trends and the near term outlook for the rest of this year, maybe early thoughts on 2025? Speaker 100:30:40Sure, Andrew. This is Reggie. I'll take and appreciate the question as always. Yes, we did see a little bit of a pullback in Q2 versus Q2 of last year for weather normalized sales for electric. I will always caveat and I think you alluded to it that it's a very imperfect science and the team does a really good job trying to pull these numbers together with real accuracy. Speaker 100:31:04But again, it's very difficult to get real precision here. Just so everybody's grounded, residential for the quarter versus Q2 of 2023 was slightly up about 0.1%, commercial down about a point, industrial down about 2 points excluding 1 large low margin customer and then all in blended was down about a point. And so that is to your comment unfavorable from the trends we were seeing in the Q1. But I would say in a year to date basis, the trend remains quite good and we continue to be surprised for the upside really across all customer classes because our assumptions were incredibly conservative as they always are for the year. And so we are outperforming across every customer class, what our initial expectations were that were embedded in our original guidance. Speaker 100:31:54And so we are still seeing non weather sales upside. I'll also note, as I've said before, that we had energy waste reduction incorporated into all of those numbers that you're seeing. And so you should always add 2% to each of those customer classes because we're delivering the 2% reduction across every customer class year over year and we've been doing that now really since the 'eight law or thereabouts. And so another way to think about those numbers I just quoted is you should add or gross up 2% across each of those if you want to get the underlying economic conditions. So we still remain quite good and then we still remain quite pleased rather with the results. Speaker 100:32:37And then when you think about on a year to date basis, resi is up about a point, commercial is up over 1%, industrial down about a point and all in is up about a little over 0.5%. So again, all things considered, particularly when you have gross up for energy waste reduction, we think conditions in Michigan remain quite good really across all customer classes. Was that helpful? Speaker 600:33:02Yes. Good reminder on the efficiency and yes, we all know that you're conservative. Next an operational question. You noted there was some heavy storm activity in the quarter. What kind of score or grade would you give yourself in terms of restoration efforts? Speaker 600:33:17Reliability is obviously a big focus for you. You talked about that in your comments. What would you say went well? What could have gone better? And how does this fold into your efforts as part of the electric rate case and the audit? Speaker 200:33:31So we're seeing a number of great improvements as a result of the investments we have made to date. More needs to be done along those lines. And so in fairness, I'd give ourselves a B in the context, there's more needs to be done for our customers and that's evident in the rate case filing that we're doing. Where we've worked a lot this year is reducing the size of the outage and so we put a lot of fusing. So what I mean by that is you have less customers impacted when the tree comes on the line. Speaker 200:34:01That's an important work. We've more than doubled our tree trimming work over the last 3 years. That's also provided benefit. When we trim tree in there, we see greater than 60% reduction in the number of outages. You may ask why not 100% because we still see trees outside the right of way that impacts our performance. Speaker 200:34:22But I would also put it in the context, Reggie talked about the last week of June and there was a larger event in June, but there was a lot of more smaller events which we would anticipate. We're trying to shrink the size which makes restoration easier, but a lot of pockets throughout the state. We brought in a number of resources. We leveraged a lot of our existing union resource to be able to respond to that. We have good response from that perspective. Speaker 200:34:46We measure in terms of restoring our customers within a 24 hour window. We want to have all customers restored within a 24 hour window. And last year in 2023, we're at 90% within a 24 hour window. This year, we're upwards of 95%. And so that shows the directional improvement. Speaker 200:35:07Now the year is not done. We've got a lot of work to do. And we'll continue to make some important investments throughout this year. And again, this electric rate case shows the path for more. So hopefully, it gives us some context. Speaker 200:35:17I know Reg wants to add to it as well. Speaker 100:35:19Andrew, all I would add to Gerrick's good comments in the operational side is really applying a financial lens. And I would give us about a B plus, A- on the financial side because through utilization of the CE Way, we've done a really good job reducing unit costs in our actual service restoration. And we're seeing at this point over $40,000,000 of avoided costs. Now needless to say, I talked about negative variance attributable to overall service restoration costs versus last year. However, the cost would have been decidedly higher as some of the problem solving we've done throughout the year. Speaker 100:35:50And so we're contracting 3rd parties more efficiently. We're using more automation to reduce manual inspections and definitely leveraging the tools of the that Derek highlighted, we're also applying a really thoughtful financial lens as well as to make sure that we're bringing customers back online as quickly as possibly and as quickly as possible and as cost efficiently as possible. So I'd be remiss if I didn't add that as well. Speaker 600:36:25Certainly sounds better than years past. Thank you very much. Appreciate the details. Speaker 200:36:31Thank you, Andrew. Operator00:36:36Our next question today is from the line of Julien Dumoulin Smith of Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Speaker 1000:36:44Hey, good morning team. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate it. Good to chat with you guys Speaker 200:36:47again. Yes. Good to hear from you again. Speaker 1000:36:52Yeah. Likewise. Garik, what are you putting yourself in the ring here for VP given all the political conversation here, right? Now you want to fix the damn roads. Speaker 200:37:03Hey, Aaron's road shot ticket. I don't know. I don't know if it has a ring to it. Look, I'll give it a try. I'll give it a try. Speaker 1000:37:13Love it. Anyway, look, you guys are clearly you got your front foot forward here for sure. Look, you favorably have pulled back on O and M savings here. You're talking about leaning in, being in a good position against near term and longer term targets. You've issued more debt. Speaker 1000:37:31I think it was 6.75 versus the 500 to rebalance your equity ratio. What's driving this level of outperformance? I'm just going to try to clarify like the debt signaling as well as just overall the commentary, especially considering the O and M factor that you flag here. Like typically you leave with cost, but I'm wondering what other factors there are. Speaker 100:37:54Yes, Julien, it's Reggie. I appreciate the question and welcome back. Really good to hear your voice. Let me start with a few of the just premises or working assumptions you offered up in the question. And so just let me start with the debt at the utility just for factual purposes. Speaker 100:38:09And so we are planning to issue about $675,000,000 in the second half of the year at the utility as part of our financing plan. It was initially $500,000,000 and so we've slightly increased and that's really just because of our rate case outcomes which had modestly lower equity levels and so we'll have more debt at the operating company. And so I just want to make sure that that was abundantly clear and obviously we'll look to execute on that financing as cost efficiently as possible and we'll be performance side, but as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, rate relief net of investments has been helpful getting constructive orders. The electric rate order in early March, the gas rate case last year, we're still seeing the residual benefits from that. And so that's really what's helped us in the first half of the year. Speaker 100:39:03And also though it's embedded in that catch all bucket as I noted in my prepared remarks, Northstar has really outperformed. They had a really soft comp in the first half of twenty twenty three, just given last year's plan was a bit more back end loaded and there were also some outage related issues at DIG given transformer issue. So this year they've really gotten out of the gate pretty strong. DIG is up about $0.05 year over year and we're seeing the residual benefits from some solar projects that came in late last year. And so I'd say it's a combination of rate relief, net of investment, outperformance at Northstar as well as some cost performance as you alluded to offset by mild weather conditions, which have hurt the top line as well as storms as we talked about in the prior Speaker 1000:39:55Excellent. And Rejji, just a follow-up on that real quick. A lot of that dynamic with Northstar, some of it is true up there. You talk about outages year over year. You should in theory, some of that should have been expected, the solar in service. Speaker 1000:40:07I mean, I'm curious, the outperformance here, I mean, is this more of a true up or is there sort of a compounding effect across the subsequent years? How do you think about the leading indicators there? Speaker 100:40:19Yes, good question. Northstar on plan. We anticipated a front end loaded year for all of the regions you noted. So a good portion of Northstar's performance was on plan. But I will say Gig did surprise a little bit to the upside in the Q1 because operationally not only are they executing very well, but they're also executing on a lower unit cost basis, which drives a little bit of additional margin. Speaker 100:40:39They also are opportunities for off peak margin that the team has capitalized on. So I'd say it's a combination of being on plan because it was front end loaded plan at Northstar, but also saw operational efficiency, which we've seen. So that's really the thrust of it at Northstar. Operator00:41:05Our next question today is from the line of Durgesh Chopra of Evercore. Please go ahead. Your line is now open. Speaker 100:41:12Good morning, Dheesh. Speaker 300:41:14Hey, good morning, Gerrick. Thanks for taking my question. Just all my other questions have been answered. I just wanted to see if there's an update on the performance based rate making docket here coming out of the legislation last year. Where do we stand there? Speaker 300:41:32Can you just update us on that please? Speaker 200:41:35Sure. That's been a very constructive dialogue. As I've shared in the past, it started really wide in the number of metrics. And then through good dialogue, it was narrowed down to nice 4 benchmarkable metrics. It's grown a little bit to accommodate some storm provisions. Speaker 200:41:55However, there's still a constructive dialogue underway here in July August. There's filings to be able to navigate that. There's a few things we still want to work through and get, dot the i's and cross the t's on you might say. And then I expect that this is going to play out over several rate cases. And so it's not going to be implemented here immediately. Speaker 200:42:17But I think it just speaks to the constructive dialogue we have in Michigan here. A lot of good interveners and filings that go back and forth to really make sure it's going to be a productive rate making mechanism. Speaker 300:42:35Got it. So just kind of the framework of this would be a potential earnings uplift and then on the downside a potential penalty on certain metrics? And then when did you say this could go into effect? This is a 25 item, 26, just any thoughts there? Speaker 200:42:55I would put several rate cases away, so over maybe a year or 2 years out from an implementation perspective. Again, that's my view just what I see of the world. The intent is for it to be symmetric and so there's upside opportunity and downside opportunity. The downside opportunity is marked about $10,000,000 at this context, which is manageable in the context of the year. That means the upside opportunity is roughly that same amount, and at least as is proposed currently. Speaker 300:43:33Thanks so much. Appreciate the time. Operator00:43:44And our next question is from the line of Travis Miller of Morningstar. Please go ahead. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:43:51Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Travis. Very high level on electric demand. I wonder if you could elaborate on how it's trending versus your 2021 IRP and how, as you had mentioned earlier in the call, how that would affect potentially the renewable energy plan filing here? Speaker 500:44:14Is it trending higher or lower? And how does that impact the REP? Speaker 200:44:18Yes, it's definitely trending higher based on all the economic development activity that is again not speculating on that, that is signed and we're out building transmission, not building transmission substations and there's transmission being built to serve these customers. And so in our Renewable Energy Plan filing, you should anticipate that there's additional sales referenced there above and beyond our 2021 IRP. Speaker 500:44:51And is it fair to make the leap then that you would need more renewable energy on that same percentage basis as what's in the law? That's fair. Yes. Speaker 200:45:01Generally speaking, yes. Speaker 500:45:02Okay. Okay. And then also, obviously, a lot of talk about in the media about Palisades. From your perspective, is it accurate that you're seeing development moving forward on that plant? And then if so, would you be interested in either implementing that in your plan in terms of the capacity and energy and or signing a PPA? Speaker 200:45:29Palisade is making forward progress in the state. From a state budget perspective, another $150,000,000 was allocated toward the forward direction of the facility. We're having public meetings that are going on right now on-site. So again, forward steps and moving forward that plant. Now I'll remind you that a PPA has already been struck for the offtake from the Palisades facility. Speaker 200:45:58That goes to a co op in Michigan and a co op in Indiana. So it's already spoken for. Now we did it's good for Michigan that Palatase is returning. And we at CMS Energy do not see any adverse impact as a result of Palisades coming back. Speaker 500:46:17Okay, great. Thanks a lot. That's all I had. Thank you. Operator00:46:23Our next question today is from the line of Nick Campanella of Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Speaker 100:46:30Hey, thanks and hope everyone is having a great summer. Just one for me today. So I know, Reggie, you said you would be opportunistic in your prepared remarks around financing and potentially pulling things forward from 2025. I'm just cognizant that you do have kind of you start to issue equity in 2025 and maybe you can just kind of give us some more color. Are you just kind of talking about pulling forward hybrid or debt or is everything on the table? Speaker 100:46:55How should we Speaker 500:46:56think about that? Thank you. Speaker 100:46:59Yes. Appreciate the question, Nick. I would say, in short, I wouldn't say everything is on the table. So you won't see us issuing equity in 2024. What we have done in the past though is we have executed on forwards opportunistically to at least take some of the price risk off the table. Speaker 100:47:19And I would say where the equity is today, I don't think that seems like the most likely trade, but I was speaking more towards parent debt financing needs. And certainly, our thinking is quite expansive, everything from senior notes to hybrids and those types of securities, all of which we've done pretty opportunistically in the past. As you may recall, we've got about $250,000,000 coming due at the HoldCo next year. And so we're mindful of that. And we have, I'd say, modest new money needs on top of that. Speaker 100:47:51And so we will see if there's good pricing in the market, particularly if the speculation around potential dovish policy, dovish monetary policy from the Fed comes to fruition, but I have stopped wagering on that. So we'll see what happens. But if we start to see a correction in the yield curve that's favorable and it creates opportunities for Holdco debt financings, we'll look to do that. And again, I'd say the equity needs still as is up to $350,000,000 starting next year and I don't see us pulling any of that forward. All right. Speaker 100:48:25That's super helpful. I really appreciate it and I'm looking forward to seeing you at the conference in September. Thanks. See you then. Operator00:48:35With no further questions in the queue at this time, I would like to hand the call back to Gerrick Rochell for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:48:43Thanks, Harry. I'd like to thank everyone for joining us today. I look forward to seeing you on the road soon. 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There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the CMS Energy 20 24 Second Quarter Results. The earnings news release issued earlier today and the presentation used in this webcast are available on CMS Energy's website in the Investor Relations section. This call is being recorded. After the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be provided at that time. Operator00:00:24Just a reminder, there will be a rebroadcast of this conference call today beginning at 12 p. M. Eastern Time running through August 1. This presentation is also being webcast and is available on CMS Energy's website in the Investor Relations section. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Operator00:00:39Jason Shaw, Treasurer and Vice President of Investor Relations. Speaker 100:00:44Thank you, Harry. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. With me are Gerrick Rochow, President and Chief Executive Officer and Reggie Hayes, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. This presentation contains forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties. Please refer to our SEC filings for more information regarding the risks and other factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially. Speaker 100:01:14This presentation also includes non GAAP measures. Reconciliations of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in the appendix and posted on our website. And now, I'll turn the call over to Gary. Speaker 200:01:28Thank you, Jason, and thank you everyone for joining us today. Our proven investment thesis, which delivers 6% to 8% adjusted earnings growth and affordable bills for our customers has been durable for more than 2 decades because we focus on what matters. Today, I'm going to highlight 2 key areas of our thesis. First, Michigan's strong regulatory environment, build on a solid constructive framework much of which is codified in Michigan law, 10 month forward looking rate cases, important financial and fuel recovery mechanisms and increased energy waste reduction incentives, just to name a few attributes. This robust framework supports Michigan's position as a top tier regulatory environment and provides important supportive incentives for needed investments to make our electric and gas systems safer, more reliable and resilient and cleaner. Speaker 200:02:33And second, our continued commitment to affordable bills for our customers. As I've said before, we work both sides of the equation. We make important investments and we keep customer bills affordable. I consider our use of the CE Way, our lean operating system, one of the best in the industry. This approach limits upward pressure on customer bills and is critical in the delivery of our investment plan. Speaker 200:03:04And we continue to see a long runway of cost saving opportunities well into the future, delivering industry leading results for all our stakeholders. From a regulatory perspective, we're off to a strong start for the year. As you can see on Slide 4, our regulatory calendar is mostly complete. We received a constructive order in our electric rate case in March, filed our new electric rate case in May and settled our gas rate case earlier this month, the 4th consecutive settlement in our gas business, 4 consecutive settlements in gas, yet another proof point highlighting the strong regulatory environment in Michigan. We're very pleased with our recently approved gas settlement, which calls for a $62,500,000 of effective rate relief, a 9% or 9.9 percent ROE and a 50% equity ratio. Speaker 200:04:09We plan to follow our next gas rate case in December of this year. Outside of rate cases, our upcoming 20 year renewable energy plan or REP filing in November is the only major remaining filing for the year. Let me pause there for a moment. Midway through the year, our financial related regulatory outcomes are known. This is a great place to be. Speaker 200:04:39I also want to talk about our formula to deliver customer affordability as we make important investments. Long term filings like our renewable energy plan detail the significant planned investments that support safe, reliable, clean and affordable energy for our customers. As we've shared previously, we see more investment opportunities as we make the transition to renewables and clean energy. In addition to the $17,000,000,000 of needed customer investments in our 5 year capital plan, our electric reliability roadmap and natural gas delivery plans highlight important investments well beyond what's in our financial plan. Now that's a long way of saying we see a long runway of necessary and important customer investments. Speaker 200:05:29These investments must be balanced with a laser focus on customer affordability. We take seriously our ability to create capital headroom to make those investments through continued use of the CEUA, which provides over $50,000,000 of annual customer savings, renegotiating over market PPAs and retiring our coal facilities, which together provide well over $200,000,000 in savings as we transition toward cleaner resources. Capitalizing on economic development opportunities, particularly in manufacturing, which brings jobs and significant mission investments, spreading fixed costs over a larger customer base, benefiting all customers. Lastly, leveraging our best in class energy waste reduction programs to help customers reduce bills. This is a formula that works for everyone, continuing to strengthen the system with important investments while keeping customer bills affordable. Speaker 200:06:31Now let's look at the results and outlook. For the first half, we reported adjusted earnings per share of $1.63 up $0.18 versus the first half of twenty twenty three, largely driven by the constructive outcomes in our electric and gas rate cases. We remain confident in this year's guidance and long term outlook and are reaffirming all our financial objectives. Our full year guidance remains at $3.29 to $3.35 per share with continued confidence toward the high end. Longer term, we continue to guide toward the high end of our adjusted EPS growth range of 6% to 8%, which implies and includes 7% up to 8%. Speaker 200:07:22With that, I'll hand the call over to Reggie. Speaker 100:07:25Thank you, Garik, and good morning, everyone. On Slide 7, you'll see our standard waterfall chart, which illustrates the key drivers impacting our financial performance for the 1st 6 months of 2024 and our year to go expectations. For clarification purposes, all of the variance analyses herein are in comparison to 2023, both on a year to date and a year to go basis. In summary, through the first half of twenty twenty four, we delivered adjusted net income of $485,000,000 or $1.63 per share, which compares favorably to the comparable period in 2023, largely due to higher rate relief net of investment costs. And while we have seen some glimpses of favorable weather, particularly in June, overall weather continues to be a headwind through the first half of the year, equating to $0.05 per share of negative variance. Speaker 100:08:26And that figure includes the warm winter weather experienced in our service territory in the Q1, which I'll remind you had the 2nd lowest number of heating degree days in the past 25 years. As mentioned, rate relief, net investment related expenses, one of the key drivers of our first half performance, resulted in $0.13 per share of positive variance due to constructive outcomes achieved in our electric rate order received in March and last year's gas rate case settlement. From a cost perspective, our financial performance in the first half of the year was negatively impacted by heavy storm activity, including a notable weather system that impacted our service territory in late June resulting in $0.03 per share of negative variance versus the comparable period in 2023. Rounding out the 1st 6 months of the year, you'll note the $0.13 per share of positive variance highlighted in the catch all bucket in the middle of the chart. The primary sources of upside here were related to solid operational performance at Northstar and higher weather normalized electric sales. Speaker 100:09:37Looking ahead, as always, we plan for normal weather, which equates to $0.20 per share of positive variance for the remaining half of the year, given the mild temperatures experienced in the final 6 months of 2023. From a regulatory perspective, we'll realize $0.12 per share of positive variance largely driven by the aforementioned electric rate order received from the commission earlier this year and the constructive outcome achieved in our recently approved gas rate case settlement, which Derek summarized earlier. Closing out the glide path for the remainder of the year, as noted during our Q1 call, we anticipate lower overall O and M expense at the utility driven by the usual cost performance fueled by the CEWAY and the residual benefits from select sustainable cost reduction initiatives implemented in 2023 such as our voluntary separation plan among others. Collectively, we expect these items to drive $0.09 per share of positive variance for the remaining 6 months of the year. Lastly, in the penultimate bar on the right hand side, you'll note a significant negative variance, which largely consists of the absence of select one time countermeasures from last year and the usual conservative assumptions around weather normalized sales and non utility performance among other items. Speaker 100:10:58In aggregate, these assumptions equate to $0.35 to $0.41 per share of negative variance. In summary, despite a challenging first half of the year, we're well positioned to deliver on our 2024 financial objectives to the benefit of customers and investors. Moving on to our financing plan, Slide 8 offers more specificity on the balance of our planned funding needs in 2024, which at this point are limited to debt issuances at the utility. I'll bring to your attention a relatively modest increase to our 2024 planned financing utility. Specifically, we are now planning to issue approximately $675,000,000 in the second half of the year versus the implied estimates in our original guidance of $500,000,000 to rebalance the rate making capital structure at the utility in accordance with recent rate case outcomes. Speaker 100:11:52Although not highlighted in the table on the slide, I'm pleased to report that we have completed all of our planned tax credit sales for the year at levels favorable to our plan and ahead of schedule. I'll also reiterate that we have no planned long term financings at the parent in 2024, but remain opportunistic should we see a cost efficient opportunity to pull ahead some of our 2025 financing needs. As I've said before, our approach to our financing plan is similar to how we run the business. We plan conservatively and capitalize on opportunities as they arise. This approach has been tried and true year in and year out and has enabled us to deliver on our operational and financial objectives irrespective of the circumstances to the benefit of our customers and investors and this year is no different. Speaker 100:12:47And with that, I'll hand it back to Garik for his final remarks before the Q and A session. Speaker 200:12:53Thank you, Reggie. CMS Energy, 21 years of consistent industry leading financial performance. I have confidence in our strong outlook this year and beyond as we continue to execute on our simple investment thesis and make the necessary and important investments in our system while maintaining customer affordability. With that, Harry, please open the lines for Q and A. Operator00:13:53Our first question today comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet of JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Speaker 300:14:01Hi, good morning. Speaker 200:14:03Hey, good morning, Jeremy. How are you? Speaker 400:14:07Good, good. Thanks. Just wanted to turn towards DIG for a little bit here if we couldn't and just want to get updated thoughts with regards to re contracting overall and just I guess the outlook in this environment given kind of trends in power price? Speaker 200:14:25I would suggest, Jeremy, it's consistent with what we shared in the past. Energy and capacity markets, that upward pressure continues to be a ripe opportunity and we continue to strike nice bilateral contracts to secure higher energy and energy and capacity prices well above our plan. And so again, it's a good opportunity to continue to do that. And as we've shared in the past, this just continues to strengthen and lengthen our financial performance. Speaker 400:15:00Got it. Thank you for that. And then it seems like halfway through the year CMS is in a pretty good position overall. Just wondering any thoughts you could share with regards to, I guess, how weather is looking and impacts for 3Q as it stands right now and really getting towards, I guess, cost management thoughts and whether you might be in a position to pull forward cost to further de risk the future outlook and how you think about all that? Speaker 100:15:27Jeremy, it's Reggie. I appreciate the question. I would say weather outlook looks fairly good for Q3, but obviously early days. And I will just say personally I don't give a lot of credence to 2 3 month outlooks. I'm much more focused on the 10 days ahead, which appear to be a bit more accurate. Speaker 100:15:44And so we always remain paranoid about weather. And just based on year to date, weather has not been all that kind. And so we'll continue to execute on cost performance related initiatives. We've had some good success over the last several years in executing on cost management over the course of the year and we'll continue to do that through Q3. As I mentioned in the Q1 call, it's still premature to start thinking about pull ahead for 2025. Speaker 100:16:11I'd say historically even in the best of years where weather was really helpful in the first couple of quarters, we still didn't think about flexing up or pull ahead or any of those types of derisking mechanisms until we got deeper into Q3 and had a real good outlook on the Q4. So hopefully more to talk about from a 2025 de risking perspective next quarter, but at this point it's too premature to get into that. Speaker 200:16:33And if I could just add to that, Jeremy, part of the call here in my prepared remarks, I talked about the confidence. Confidence comes from the fact that we're executing on the CE way. We've done that historically. We've been at a runway to greater than $50,000,000 on an annual basis. We see that continuing. Speaker 200:16:50There are a number of things that we did in 2023 in terms of Reddy shared in his prepared remarks, voluntary separation, contract controls, those continue to yield benefit in the year. And also we're applying a lot of digital solutions, everything from work in the field to automate work all the way into the office, things like work management that continue to provide additional cost savings in the year. So again, confident, as I shared in the call here earlier in delivering guidance for the year. Speaker 400:17:23Got it. I appreciate that. And then if I could just wrap with thoughts on opportunity to service data centers going forward here and I guess the interplay with regards to legislation in Michigan, whether that comes to fruition and how that might impact the pace of such type of development? Speaker 200:17:42Jeremy, you know us well enough, the Hays Rochow team here. Well, pretty conservative in our approach to financials. And as I shared in the Q1 call, we want to make sure they're signed on the dotted line, you might say, before we talk about it. So we don't inflate our sales forecast. I would just say that there's a lot of interest in both manufacturing and data centers in the state. Speaker 200:18:06As I shared in the Q1 call, we've seen a lot of manufacturing growth that continues into Q2. We saw data center, we talked about one that we signed in Q1, 230 Megawatts. There continues to be strong interest in the state, both the hyperscalers and also we're seeing some growth in what I call mid scalers from a data center perspective. Those continue to move forward regardless of the cherry on top of the sundae, you might say. Speaker 400:18:46Got it. Makes sense. Fair enough. I'll leave it there. Thanks. Speaker 200:18:49Thank you, Jeremy. Operator00:18:54Our next question today is from the line of Shari Abhiredza of Guggenheim Partners. Please go ahead. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:19:02Hey guys. Hey, Shari. Good morning. Speaker 600:19:03Good morning, Speaker 700:19:05Shar. Good morning, Rich. So I know you guys noted previously that the FCM mechanism could be incremental sort of on the new generation not in plan. As we're kind of getting closer to the November rep filing, any thoughts on where demand is headed and how maybe CMS would be positioned for upside there? So any thoughts on incremental CapEx versus the PPA You're Speaker 200:19:36throwing curveballs out It's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, Speaker 800:19:38it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, Speaker 200:19:38it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Tom, it's Let's talk about this. We see we definitely see as a part of this energy law additional upside. That shows up in ownership of assets, it shows up in the financial compensation mechanism. Both those are true. Let me talk about how they'll play out though. Speaker 200:20:07We're going to file our renewable energy plan in November. It's a 10 month process. So we'll know in 2025 kind of latter half of the year what that looks like. And so in our 2026 capital plan, you'll see what that means, our 2026 financials, both from an SDM perspective as well as what might the ownership mix look like. And so that's where it will play out. Speaker 200:20:33In addition to that, that's probably a portion of the story because in 2026, we'll also file our integrated resource plan, which will talk about some of the reliability pieces and some of the work to deliver the capacity component of that. So between 2026, 2027, 2028, I think that's when you'll see the capital impact as well as the financial compensation mechanism play out in terms of our financials. And I will say this, we've seen some good economic growth in the state that will show up in our renewable energy plan. We're definitely seeing a greater need than was in our original 2021 IRP. So I'll leave it at that and certainly that will provide additional upside opportunity in terms of capital growth in addition to the energy law. Speaker 700:21:20Perfect. And then just Speaker 600:21:20a quick follow-up and I obviously I'll Speaker 700:21:22dedicate this to Garik. Just on the great case filing on the electric side, it's obviously it's in the early innings. It's kind of a more of a 'twenty five event. The provisions and sort of the mechanisms like the IRM and Doctor remain on change. I guess, do you feel there would be sort of an opportunity for settlement after testimony given this is kind of a less complex case? Speaker 700:21:44I guess, how are you sort of thinking about settlement path versus the prior litigated path? And is there anything and I dedicate this to you, any other rate design stuff in there that can cause some contention? Speaker 500:21:55Thanks. I set myself up for that one, didn't I? Speaker 700:22:01As I shared Speaker 200:22:02on these calls, I will always look for settlement opportunities. I'm also very confident in our team. We put great case together and we can go the full distance just as we did this year in our March order. And so when I think about this electric rate case, there's some things that have to be figured out to really get some context around the opportunity for settlement. One, I think it's really important to understand that electric cases are more complex than gas cases. Speaker 200:22:28So for example, we have less than 10 interveners in our gas case. We have a little over 20 in our electric case. That's not abnormal. It's just it's a more complex case. There's more interested parties. Speaker 200:22:40So we have to navigate through that. I also think it's important to find where staff is and where the attorney general are at in this case. That will come in September. Those are important points to know in the context of settlement opportunities. But understand this, I am very confident in this case. Speaker 200:22:58It is focused on electric reliability. That's well aligned with what customers are asking for, what the commissioners and the staff are asking for and what I've committed to do. And so this case has great capital investments and undergrounding has important work in hardening the system, automated transfer reclosers, technology on the system. There's important work in O and M and tree trimming, our number one cause of outage and other important maintenance work across the system. We're going to leverage the infrastructure recovery mechanism. Speaker 200:23:33We'll certainly look for we're going to try another storm mechanism in this case as well. And so I feel confident in our ability to get the very constructive outcome just given how well aligned we are across the commission, staff as well as our customers. So hopefully that gives you some context on the case. Now on rate design, let me just talk a little about rate design. Specifically, data centers are not at our economic development rate. Speaker 200:24:01We had an ex parte filing that made an adjustment in that, that was approved. And so in the meantime, they are industrial rate, we thought our GDP rate. And what that does is a better balance of both capacity and energy costs, the cost to serve those customers. The commission as well as the utility has been looking and exploring the opportunity specific data center rate, but in the interest of time, the GDP is a good proxy for that in our mind. And so well suited from a rate design perspective, from a data center perspective. Speaker 200:24:39I also I said GDP, I think that's the wrong thing. I was hoping for something different there. Maybe that was a GPD is what I meant. GPD. Sorry about that, Shar. Speaker 800:24:51I had Speaker 200:24:51my eyes on the economics. Speaker 900:24:52According to Slur. It's election time. Speaker 200:24:55I have my mind on other things like what's going to happen with our economy. Speaker 1000:25:01There you go. I appreciate it guys. Speaker 600:25:02I think you just set Speaker 700:25:03up the next call to ask you an election question. I'll see you soon. Thank you guys. Speaker 300:25:08Thank you. Operator00:25:12Our next question today is from the line of Michael Sullivan of Wolfe Research. Please go ahead. Your line is now open. Speaker 900:25:19Hey, everyone. Good morning. Speaker 800:25:21Good morning. Speaker 900:25:22Good morning. Good morning. Just wanted to go back to the data center legislation discussion. I think on the last call you talked about a 230 Megawatt data center coming in 2026. Was that contingent on the legislation or your understanding is still moving forward? Speaker 900:25:44And are there any other examples of that or is everyone else kind of waiting Speaker 200:25:50inflation? It was not contingent. That one is still moving forward. That's the signed piece. And I guess that's my point. Speaker 200:25:58What we hear from data centers, it's more important about how fast can you get transmission here, how much cash can you build that conversion from transmission distribution to substation, how fast can you get supply here and we're able to do that. And so many of those mid scalars and hyperscalers continue to make forward steps regardless of the progress on the sales and use tech. Just to give you a little context, at the end of the spring session, legislature was focused on the state budget. In the words of our Governor, we got to fix the damn road and we got to fund schools, right. And so those are important things too. Speaker 200:26:32I don't want we want smart kids in the state. So those are important things underway. That conversation on data centers and the sales tax will continue into the fall. Now we're in elections, so it will be difficult for me to predict how fast that will move or it could happen in lame duck. And so we'll continue that conversation in the state. Speaker 200:26:51But again, it is not it's not stopping things from moving forward, Michael. Speaker 900:26:59Okay. And is that like a good proxy for how long it takes new load to come on to your system, about 2 years with that one being 2026? Speaker 200:27:10There's a number of variables there, Mike. So in the case of that data center, what we talked about is they're bringing on load by 2025, 2026 and where they're located on the system makes a big difference. And so we're able to accommodate that. Depending on where data center locates from a property perspective makes a difference. Just as far as how far do we have to extend lines, is it Greenfield, is this Brown, there's all kinds of variables that go into it. Speaker 200:27:39But we're in that 2 to 3 years cycle. And again, even if you're at the tail end of that cycle, data centers are moving quickly and that doesn't seem to be holding them up too much. Speaker 900:27:52Okay, great. And then separately, just kind of sticking with legislation. I think there were some comments a few months ago from the PSC Chair about rate case timelines being a bit compressed these days. Are you hearing any chance of legislation coming up that would revert back to 12 months for a cycle from then and just a general sense for rate fatigue in the state in light of those comments? Speaker 200:28:23The short answer is no. As you know, what makes Michigan great is much of the regulatory environment is set in law. So 10 month forward looking rate cases is in the law. Financial compensation mechanisms, energy efficiency incentives are in the law. And we just went through that law. Speaker 200:28:42We just opened and it was just signed here last November. And we're hearing nothing in terms of opening that law back up or looking at different provisions. Now, we continue to always have a constructive dialogue with the commission and the staff. And so I do think there are opportunities, right, in terms. And so I'll give you one example, just one example of probably many you could think about. Speaker 200:29:08We have a great process for an integrated resource plan and renewable energy plan that lay out an energy supply portfolio. So we get it pre approved and then it flows into rate case. It really streamlines rate cases. What if we could do the same thing on the distribution system, wouldn't that be great? Let's build a 5 year reliability roadmap. Speaker 200:29:26Wait, we've already done that. Let's do that. Let's approve that and then have that flow into rate cases. That could really streamline the process and done in the right way you can potentially see a path where you could stay out for a period of time, again done in the right way. And so the kind of the nature of Michigan's constructive regulatory environment, let's explore that. Speaker 200:29:49Let's see if there's opportunities there to even further bolster Michigan's constructive nature. Speaker 900:29:58Okay. That's really helpful color. Thanks a lot. Speaker 200:30:01Thank you, Michael. Operator00:30:05Our next question today is from the line of Andrew Weisel of Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Your line is now open. Speaker 200:30:13Good morning, Andrew. Hi, good morning. Speaker 600:30:17Good morning. Two quick ones. First, C and I weather adjusted volumes were down in the quarter. It's a bit of a reversal from the Q1. I know the Q1 was extremely mild weather, so those numbers are probably a little bit goofy. Speaker 600:30:31But any commentary on the underlying trends and the near term outlook for the rest of this year, maybe early thoughts on 2025? Speaker 100:30:40Sure, Andrew. This is Reggie. I'll take and appreciate the question as always. Yes, we did see a little bit of a pullback in Q2 versus Q2 of last year for weather normalized sales for electric. I will always caveat and I think you alluded to it that it's a very imperfect science and the team does a really good job trying to pull these numbers together with real accuracy. Speaker 100:31:04But again, it's very difficult to get real precision here. Just so everybody's grounded, residential for the quarter versus Q2 of 2023 was slightly up about 0.1%, commercial down about a point, industrial down about 2 points excluding 1 large low margin customer and then all in blended was down about a point. And so that is to your comment unfavorable from the trends we were seeing in the Q1. But I would say in a year to date basis, the trend remains quite good and we continue to be surprised for the upside really across all customer classes because our assumptions were incredibly conservative as they always are for the year. And so we are outperforming across every customer class, what our initial expectations were that were embedded in our original guidance. Speaker 100:31:54And so we are still seeing non weather sales upside. I'll also note, as I've said before, that we had energy waste reduction incorporated into all of those numbers that you're seeing. And so you should always add 2% to each of those customer classes because we're delivering the 2% reduction across every customer class year over year and we've been doing that now really since the 'eight law or thereabouts. And so another way to think about those numbers I just quoted is you should add or gross up 2% across each of those if you want to get the underlying economic conditions. So we still remain quite good and then we still remain quite pleased rather with the results. Speaker 100:32:37And then when you think about on a year to date basis, resi is up about a point, commercial is up over 1%, industrial down about a point and all in is up about a little over 0.5%. So again, all things considered, particularly when you have gross up for energy waste reduction, we think conditions in Michigan remain quite good really across all customer classes. Was that helpful? Speaker 600:33:02Yes. Good reminder on the efficiency and yes, we all know that you're conservative. Next an operational question. You noted there was some heavy storm activity in the quarter. What kind of score or grade would you give yourself in terms of restoration efforts? Speaker 600:33:17Reliability is obviously a big focus for you. You talked about that in your comments. What would you say went well? What could have gone better? And how does this fold into your efforts as part of the electric rate case and the audit? Speaker 200:33:31So we're seeing a number of great improvements as a result of the investments we have made to date. More needs to be done along those lines. And so in fairness, I'd give ourselves a B in the context, there's more needs to be done for our customers and that's evident in the rate case filing that we're doing. Where we've worked a lot this year is reducing the size of the outage and so we put a lot of fusing. So what I mean by that is you have less customers impacted when the tree comes on the line. Speaker 200:34:01That's an important work. We've more than doubled our tree trimming work over the last 3 years. That's also provided benefit. When we trim tree in there, we see greater than 60% reduction in the number of outages. You may ask why not 100% because we still see trees outside the right of way that impacts our performance. Speaker 200:34:22But I would also put it in the context, Reggie talked about the last week of June and there was a larger event in June, but there was a lot of more smaller events which we would anticipate. We're trying to shrink the size which makes restoration easier, but a lot of pockets throughout the state. We brought in a number of resources. We leveraged a lot of our existing union resource to be able to respond to that. We have good response from that perspective. Speaker 200:34:46We measure in terms of restoring our customers within a 24 hour window. We want to have all customers restored within a 24 hour window. And last year in 2023, we're at 90% within a 24 hour window. This year, we're upwards of 95%. And so that shows the directional improvement. Speaker 200:35:07Now the year is not done. We've got a lot of work to do. And we'll continue to make some important investments throughout this year. And again, this electric rate case shows the path for more. So hopefully, it gives us some context. Speaker 200:35:17I know Reg wants to add to it as well. Speaker 100:35:19Andrew, all I would add to Gerrick's good comments in the operational side is really applying a financial lens. And I would give us about a B plus, A- on the financial side because through utilization of the CE Way, we've done a really good job reducing unit costs in our actual service restoration. And we're seeing at this point over $40,000,000 of avoided costs. Now needless to say, I talked about negative variance attributable to overall service restoration costs versus last year. However, the cost would have been decidedly higher as some of the problem solving we've done throughout the year. Speaker 100:35:50And so we're contracting 3rd parties more efficiently. We're using more automation to reduce manual inspections and definitely leveraging the tools of the that Derek highlighted, we're also applying a really thoughtful financial lens as well as to make sure that we're bringing customers back online as quickly as possibly and as quickly as possible and as cost efficiently as possible. So I'd be remiss if I didn't add that as well. Speaker 600:36:25Certainly sounds better than years past. Thank you very much. Appreciate the details. Speaker 200:36:31Thank you, Andrew. Operator00:36:36Our next question today is from the line of Julien Dumoulin Smith of Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Speaker 1000:36:44Hey, good morning team. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate it. Good to chat with you guys Speaker 200:36:47again. Yes. Good to hear from you again. Speaker 1000:36:52Yeah. Likewise. Garik, what are you putting yourself in the ring here for VP given all the political conversation here, right? Now you want to fix the damn roads. Speaker 200:37:03Hey, Aaron's road shot ticket. I don't know. I don't know if it has a ring to it. Look, I'll give it a try. I'll give it a try. Speaker 1000:37:13Love it. Anyway, look, you guys are clearly you got your front foot forward here for sure. Look, you favorably have pulled back on O and M savings here. You're talking about leaning in, being in a good position against near term and longer term targets. You've issued more debt. Speaker 1000:37:31I think it was 6.75 versus the 500 to rebalance your equity ratio. What's driving this level of outperformance? I'm just going to try to clarify like the debt signaling as well as just overall the commentary, especially considering the O and M factor that you flag here. Like typically you leave with cost, but I'm wondering what other factors there are. Speaker 100:37:54Yes, Julien, it's Reggie. I appreciate the question and welcome back. Really good to hear your voice. Let me start with a few of the just premises or working assumptions you offered up in the question. And so just let me start with the debt at the utility just for factual purposes. Speaker 100:38:09And so we are planning to issue about $675,000,000 in the second half of the year at the utility as part of our financing plan. It was initially $500,000,000 and so we've slightly increased and that's really just because of our rate case outcomes which had modestly lower equity levels and so we'll have more debt at the operating company. And so I just want to make sure that that was abundantly clear and obviously we'll look to execute on that financing as cost efficiently as possible and we'll be performance side, but as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, rate relief net of investments has been helpful getting constructive orders. The electric rate order in early March, the gas rate case last year, we're still seeing the residual benefits from that. And so that's really what's helped us in the first half of the year. Speaker 100:39:03And also though it's embedded in that catch all bucket as I noted in my prepared remarks, Northstar has really outperformed. They had a really soft comp in the first half of twenty twenty three, just given last year's plan was a bit more back end loaded and there were also some outage related issues at DIG given transformer issue. So this year they've really gotten out of the gate pretty strong. DIG is up about $0.05 year over year and we're seeing the residual benefits from some solar projects that came in late last year. And so I'd say it's a combination of rate relief, net of investment, outperformance at Northstar as well as some cost performance as you alluded to offset by mild weather conditions, which have hurt the top line as well as storms as we talked about in the prior Speaker 1000:39:55Excellent. And Rejji, just a follow-up on that real quick. A lot of that dynamic with Northstar, some of it is true up there. You talk about outages year over year. You should in theory, some of that should have been expected, the solar in service. Speaker 1000:40:07I mean, I'm curious, the outperformance here, I mean, is this more of a true up or is there sort of a compounding effect across the subsequent years? How do you think about the leading indicators there? Speaker 100:40:19Yes, good question. Northstar on plan. We anticipated a front end loaded year for all of the regions you noted. So a good portion of Northstar's performance was on plan. But I will say Gig did surprise a little bit to the upside in the Q1 because operationally not only are they executing very well, but they're also executing on a lower unit cost basis, which drives a little bit of additional margin. Speaker 100:40:39They also are opportunities for off peak margin that the team has capitalized on. So I'd say it's a combination of being on plan because it was front end loaded plan at Northstar, but also saw operational efficiency, which we've seen. So that's really the thrust of it at Northstar. Operator00:41:05Our next question today is from the line of Durgesh Chopra of Evercore. Please go ahead. Your line is now open. Speaker 100:41:12Good morning, Dheesh. Speaker 300:41:14Hey, good morning, Gerrick. Thanks for taking my question. Just all my other questions have been answered. I just wanted to see if there's an update on the performance based rate making docket here coming out of the legislation last year. Where do we stand there? Speaker 300:41:32Can you just update us on that please? Speaker 200:41:35Sure. That's been a very constructive dialogue. As I've shared in the past, it started really wide in the number of metrics. And then through good dialogue, it was narrowed down to nice 4 benchmarkable metrics. It's grown a little bit to accommodate some storm provisions. Speaker 200:41:55However, there's still a constructive dialogue underway here in July August. There's filings to be able to navigate that. There's a few things we still want to work through and get, dot the i's and cross the t's on you might say. And then I expect that this is going to play out over several rate cases. And so it's not going to be implemented here immediately. Speaker 200:42:17But I think it just speaks to the constructive dialogue we have in Michigan here. A lot of good interveners and filings that go back and forth to really make sure it's going to be a productive rate making mechanism. Speaker 300:42:35Got it. So just kind of the framework of this would be a potential earnings uplift and then on the downside a potential penalty on certain metrics? And then when did you say this could go into effect? This is a 25 item, 26, just any thoughts there? Speaker 200:42:55I would put several rate cases away, so over maybe a year or 2 years out from an implementation perspective. Again, that's my view just what I see of the world. The intent is for it to be symmetric and so there's upside opportunity and downside opportunity. The downside opportunity is marked about $10,000,000 at this context, which is manageable in the context of the year. That means the upside opportunity is roughly that same amount, and at least as is proposed currently. Speaker 300:43:33Thanks so much. Appreciate the time. Operator00:43:44And our next question is from the line of Travis Miller of Morningstar. Please go ahead. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:43:51Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Travis. Very high level on electric demand. I wonder if you could elaborate on how it's trending versus your 2021 IRP and how, as you had mentioned earlier in the call, how that would affect potentially the renewable energy plan filing here? Speaker 500:44:14Is it trending higher or lower? And how does that impact the REP? Speaker 200:44:18Yes, it's definitely trending higher based on all the economic development activity that is again not speculating on that, that is signed and we're out building transmission, not building transmission substations and there's transmission being built to serve these customers. And so in our Renewable Energy Plan filing, you should anticipate that there's additional sales referenced there above and beyond our 2021 IRP. Speaker 500:44:51And is it fair to make the leap then that you would need more renewable energy on that same percentage basis as what's in the law? That's fair. Yes. Speaker 200:45:01Generally speaking, yes. Speaker 500:45:02Okay. Okay. And then also, obviously, a lot of talk about in the media about Palisades. From your perspective, is it accurate that you're seeing development moving forward on that plant? And then if so, would you be interested in either implementing that in your plan in terms of the capacity and energy and or signing a PPA? Speaker 200:45:29Palisade is making forward progress in the state. From a state budget perspective, another $150,000,000 was allocated toward the forward direction of the facility. We're having public meetings that are going on right now on-site. So again, forward steps and moving forward that plant. Now I'll remind you that a PPA has already been struck for the offtake from the Palisades facility. Speaker 200:45:58That goes to a co op in Michigan and a co op in Indiana. So it's already spoken for. Now we did it's good for Michigan that Palatase is returning. And we at CMS Energy do not see any adverse impact as a result of Palisades coming back. Speaker 500:46:17Okay, great. Thanks a lot. That's all I had. Thank you. Operator00:46:23Our next question today is from the line of Nick Campanella of Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Speaker 100:46:30Hey, thanks and hope everyone is having a great summer. Just one for me today. So I know, Reggie, you said you would be opportunistic in your prepared remarks around financing and potentially pulling things forward from 2025. I'm just cognizant that you do have kind of you start to issue equity in 2025 and maybe you can just kind of give us some more color. Are you just kind of talking about pulling forward hybrid or debt or is everything on the table? Speaker 100:46:55How should we Speaker 500:46:56think about that? Thank you. Speaker 100:46:59Yes. Appreciate the question, Nick. I would say, in short, I wouldn't say everything is on the table. So you won't see us issuing equity in 2024. What we have done in the past though is we have executed on forwards opportunistically to at least take some of the price risk off the table. Speaker 100:47:19And I would say where the equity is today, I don't think that seems like the most likely trade, but I was speaking more towards parent debt financing needs. And certainly, our thinking is quite expansive, everything from senior notes to hybrids and those types of securities, all of which we've done pretty opportunistically in the past. As you may recall, we've got about $250,000,000 coming due at the HoldCo next year. And so we're mindful of that. And we have, I'd say, modest new money needs on top of that. Speaker 100:47:51And so we will see if there's good pricing in the market, particularly if the speculation around potential dovish policy, dovish monetary policy from the Fed comes to fruition, but I have stopped wagering on that. So we'll see what happens. But if we start to see a correction in the yield curve that's favorable and it creates opportunities for Holdco debt financings, we'll look to do that. And again, I'd say the equity needs still as is up to $350,000,000 starting next year and I don't see us pulling any of that forward. All right. Speaker 100:48:25That's super helpful. I really appreciate it and I'm looking forward to seeing you at the conference in September. Thanks. See you then. Operator00:48:35With no further questions in the queue at this time, I would like to hand the call back to Gerrick Rochell for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:48:43Thanks, Harry. I'd like to thank everyone for joining us today. I look forward to seeing you on the road soon. Take care and stay safe.Read morePowered by