World Acceptance Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 26, 2024

There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to World Acceptance Corporation's First Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. This call is being recorded. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen only mode. Before we begin, the corporation has requested that I make the following announcement. The comments made during this conference call may contain certain forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 that represent the Corporation's expectations and beliefs concerning future events.

Operator

Such forward looking statements are about matters that are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties. Statements other than those of historical fact, as well as those identified by the words anticipate, estimate, intend, plan, expect, believe, may, will and should or any variation of the foregoing and similar expressions are forward looking statements. Additional information regarding forward looking statements and any factors that could cause actual results or performance to differ from the expectations expressed or implied in such forward looking statements are included in the paragraph discussing forward looking statements in today's earnings press release and in the Risk Factors section of the corporation's most recent Form 10 ks for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2024, and subsequent reports filed with or furnished to the SEC from time to time. The corporation does not undertake any obligation to update any forward looking statements it makes. At this time, it is my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Chad Prashad, President and Chief Executive Officer.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning and thank you for joining our fiscal 2025 Q1 earnings call. Before we open up the questions, there are a few areas I'd like to highlight. We've talked a good bit about rightsizing and derisking the portfolio over the last year or 2, as well as returning to moderate growth this year. In the Q1 of 2025, we experienced moderate growth in our customer base of around 50 basis points. Their average balance declined slightly and gross yields improved across all customer types.

Speaker 1

Year over year, our average balance has decreased almost 7% from June 30, 2023. Currently, our average loan balance has decreased over 11% from the peak average loan size, which was towards the end of fiscal year 2023. Along with that decrease in average loan size, we've significantly improved our gross yields, delinquency and G and A expenses. As the underlying portfolio improves, our loss reserves have also declined year over year in step with the maturing of the portfolio. We are focused on modest single digit high credit quality growth this year through specific strategies for each of our customer types.

Speaker 1

For new customers, we've adjusted our acquisition channels and are already increasing our approval rates while minimizing losses. In the first quarter, while new customer loan volume was down about 8% in dollars within the quarter year over year, our new customer average loan balance also decreased and the number of new customers in the quarter declined by only 3.5% year over year. We also improved our 1st pay default rates, which are an early indication of success for those customers. This is part of a low cost growth strategy in terms of both the upfront cost of acquisition as well as the total cost of acquisition for a tenured performing customer. As we regroup to a higher credit quality and performing portfolio, we've grown a large paid off customer population that continues to return as a former customer and make up a larger percent of our non refinance loans.

Speaker 1

As we increase their weighting in the portfolio, our net yields and income naturally improve. Within the quarter, both returning and refinance customers had a similar trend improvement in performance and yield as well as lower average balances. While the former customer loan volume in dollars declined 7.6% this quarter versus Q1 last year, the number of former customers actually increased by 6.3% year over year. For returning former customers, the average balance of those originations decreased 13% and the average yield is significantly higher and they have the lowest first pay default rates of our non refinance originations. Similarly, refinanced loan volume in dollars decreased 5% within the quarter year over year, while the number of refinances actually increased 6% in the quarter.

Speaker 1

And the average balance of those originations decreased 10%. With these shifts in the portfolio makeup and the weighting continuing into the 2nd quarter, we expect to see yields and delinquency trends continue to convert into the same revenue and income trends that we're already seeing this year. To date, in the Q2, we've seen growth in our former customer base. Currently, we're at the highest number of former customers in July that we've had going back at least 10 years. All at lower average balances, higher yields and great credit quality, leading us to expect continued low delinquency.

Speaker 1

To date in July, new customers has improved to the prior 2 years as well. But our focus remains on a low total cost of acquisition of performing customers and we'll continue to invest wisely for high credit quality growth as we work towards moderate single digit ledger growth this year. In addition to portfolio performance, our prudent management has also resulted in 9.9% reduction in G and A expenses this quarter compared to the Q1 last year. This is especially important during a prolonged period of increasing expenses nationwide. With economic stability increasing and improved portfolio performance, management continues to accrue for the long term incentive plan with vesting tiers of $16.35 $20.45 earnings per share.

Speaker 1

Even with the much improved credit quality yield and operating conditions I discussed, we'll continue to build confidence throughout the Q2 on achieving these targets, especially $20.45 for the full fiscal year target. Finally, we have an absolutely amazing team here at World and I'm very grateful for their commitment to their customers as well as to each other. They are helping our customers every day to establish credit, rebuild credit and meet their immediate financial needs. At this time, Johnny Calmes, our Chief Financial and Strategy Officer and I would like to open up any questions that you may have.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer The first question is from John Rowan with Janney. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good morning, guys.

Speaker 3

Morning.

Speaker 2

Chad, did I hear you correctly saying that you're going to grow ledger by mid single digits or low single digits for 'twenty well, fiscal 2025?

Speaker 1

Yes, that's right.

Speaker 2

Okay. So I mean just so you're talking about I mean you're talking about off of period end fiscal 2024. So the $1,300,000,000 gross or $847,000,000 net, just mid single digit growth off of that number by the end of the year?

Speaker 1

Yes, that's right.

Speaker 2

Okay. Is there a reason why it looks like you guys increased the allowance ratio a little bit sequentially? Is there are you changing any expected loss rates?

Speaker 3

I think a lot of it was just the expected loss rates increased faster this year than they did relative to last year. But there's still they're lower at June 30 this year than they were at June 30 fiscal 2024. So we haven't increased them. It's really more has to do with what happened last year. Expected loss rates were decreasing faster in Q1 of 24 than they were this year, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2

Okay. And just to be clear, you're still accruing for $20.45 of earnings for this year in the incentive comp? There was something in the press release about lower incentive compensation.

Speaker 3

Right. So a lot of it has to do with there's 2 things going on there. We had some officers field officers leave during the quarter, which led to some retired during the quarter, which led to some releases. And there's also with the great investing nature of the long term plan, there's just less expense to accrue. So relative to last year, we are no longer accruing for the 3rd tranche, so that's not in there.

Speaker 3

And there's basically 6 time based tranches in that plan. We're only still accruing for one of those tranches because the others have been fully expensed. So that's what's driving that share based comp number coming down.

Speaker 1

And John, yes, we are still accruing towards $20.45 But the main factors into achieving that for this fiscal year are really some things around growth, yields and delinquency. So as we continue throughout this current quarter, the second quarter, we'll build some confidence around how likely we continue to think that is.

Speaker 2

Yes. So I mean, I was going to get into that next. I mean, we've spoken in the past about I remember the 25, 30 tranche, which obviously stopped accruing for. I mean, we had kind of penciled in the only way to get to that number is a high single digit type loss rate. I think at the 20 something number, 20 point 45 number, you're talking about a low double digit type loss rate, if I remember correctly from prior conference calls.

Speaker 2

Your charge off rate came down a little bit year over year, but it's still 16.4%. Like we're still really far away from the low double digit loss content. How do you how are you getting there? I mean and then to be frank, I mean you have to actually overcompensate given for the remaining three quarters of the year given you're at 16.4% for the quarter. How are you getting to

Speaker 4

that type of number? Yes.

Speaker 3

So there's a few things there. So over the last 12 months that the yields have continued to increase and that takes some of the pressure off of the net charge off rate, right. So but to be fair, yes, we still need to see improvement in that net charge off rate and we see a lot of the things happening operationally that can lead to that. But yes, so it's a combination of yields continue to increase, continued improvement in that net charge off rate and some modest growth. And as Chad said, we'll build some confidence in whether that's achievable by September.

Speaker 3

We'll have a pretty clear picture by September.

Speaker 2

Okay. I mean wouldn't modest growth actually hurt your chances to get to that? I mean modest growth would help next year, but given how much you have to reserve for your CECL provision, I would think that the modest growth actually is a hindrance to earnings growth.

Speaker 3

It depends when that growth happens, right? So yes, you're right. So modest growth that all happens in Q4 doesn't help us a whole lot. But if we can get it in the next quarter or so, there's enough revenue that comes with it throughout the fiscal year that it benefits us.

Speaker 2

Okay. And John, that's also Yes, sorry, go ahead. Yes.

Speaker 1

That's also why we have focused more on former customers. 1, just the lower cost of acquisition, but 2, also their performance leads us to accrue less for them. And then overall profitability is higher for those for that group of customers. And then for new customers, we're still focused on new customers, but we are looking at lower total cost of acquisition. And when I say that, I'm talking about not just the marketing spend, but operational spend as well as provision loss on that group.

Speaker 1

So with all that in mind, yes, we're very aware that any growth we have hurts in the short term. So, one, we recognize we still have to do it as a company because that feeds the future success for the portfolio. But 2, making sure we do it incredibly prudently from a cost perspective and credit quality perspective.

Speaker 2

Okay. And then last question for you. Just what's the right tax rate to use? A little bit lower than my model for the quarter. I just want to make sure I have it going forward.

Speaker 3

Yes. It will it kind of changes quarter to quarter, but it's still that 20% to 21% for the year.

Speaker 2

You see 20% to 21%?

Speaker 3

Yes, for the year.

Speaker 2

All right. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3

Yes.

Operator

The next question is from Guy Rygiel with Ingalls and Snyder. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, guys. Good morning. I was just curious, can you speak to hello? Yes.

Speaker 3

Good morning. Can you speak

Speaker 4

to the regulatory environment in the states you operate in as well as on the federal level?

Speaker 1

Yes. So at the state level, there's 2 states over the last couple of years that we have moved to be sub-thirty 6 percent, but Illinois and New Mexico. For either states that we operate in, we haven't seen any significant changes from a regulatory or legislative perspective. Of course, every state we operate in, we are regulated by those states and supervised by those states and continue to be so. At the federal level, as you know, back in February, the CVB published order establishing their authority in a supervised world.

Speaker 1

We continue to cooperate with them and their supervision process. This is both our first supervision by them as well as one of their first supervisions of an installment lender. So, we expect that they're going to focus on the areas outlined in that order and that this will be a learning process and it will likely be very difficult for us to judge any of their timelines. However, their order does give us the ability petition to end their supervisor period of 2 years. But this time, aside from the supervision order itself in the CVB, we don't have any other updates to report on.

Speaker 4

Okay. So to date, it hasn't they haven't impacted your business?

Speaker 1

No, no, not today.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then I thought maybe a while ago, you maybe mentioned the possibility of securitizing some of your loans. What's the status of that?

Speaker 3

Yes, so we're actually in process as we speak of creating a warehouse facility. And that's sort of the first step in the securitization process, right. So we hope to have warehouse facility rolled out in the probably fiscal Q3.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. Okay, thank you so much.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Scott. This

Operator

concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Chad Prashad for any closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you for taking the time to join us today and this concludes the Q1 earnings call for WILT Acceptance.

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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