Ecolab Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the Ecolab Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Release Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. At this time, it is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Andy Hedberg, Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you, Mr. Hedrick, you may now begin.

Andrew Hedberg
Vice President, Investor Relations at Ecolab

Thank you, and hello, everyone, and welcome to Ecolab's second quarter conference call. With me today are Christophe Beck, Ecolab's Chairman and CEO; and Scott Kirkland, our CFO. A discussion of our results, along with our earnings release and the slides referencing the quarter results are available on Ecolab's website at ecolab.com/investor.

Please take a moment to read the cautionary statements in these materials, which state that this teleconference and the associated supplemental materials include estimates of future performance. These are forward-looking statements, and actual results could differ materially from those projected. Factors that could cause actual results to differ are described under the Risk Factors section in our most recent Form 10-K and in our posted materials. We also refer you to the supplemental diluted earnings per share information in the release.

With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Christophe Beck for his comments.

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Thank you, Andy, and welcome to everyone on the call. I'm happy to share my perspective before we jump into Q&A. But in summary, with 35% adjusted earnings growth in Q2 and 25% to 29% earnings growth expected for the full year. I feel very good about where we are and even more where we're going. Ecolab's very strong business momentum continued in the second quarter. Our team delivered by our customers and delivered for our shareholders. Organic sales growth remained in its previously forecast 4% to 5% range. As growth in our institutions and Specialties segment normalized to a strong 7% lapping last year's very strong 13%.

Performance across the rest of our segments further improved. Our growth continues to be leveraged by exceptional organic operating income margin expansion. Margin increased by 360 basis points to 17%, which is the record second quarter margin for Ecolab, resulting in the very strong 35% growth in adjusted earnings per share. With continued top line momentum and operating margins expanding towards our 20% target, we remain firmly on our long-term 12 to 15 earnings growth trajectory.

Looking at our segments. Institutional & Specialty continued to perform exceptionally well, delivering strong organic sales growth on top of last year's double-digit gains. Importantly, our business continues to significantly outperform softer restaurant food traffic trends as our customers look to Ecolab's labor savings technologies to improve their operational performance. This growth was leveraged by continued robust operating income margin expansion with institutional specialties margin already exceeding 20%. Growth in our Industrial segment improved despite continued volatile end market demand. Water sales growth accelerated to 4%, led by strong growth in downstream and double-digit growth in our global high-tech business, which serves the rapidly expanding data center and microelectronic industry.

As expected, sales in Food and Beverage were stable as good new business wins offset comparisons to last year's double-digit growth. Performance in paper improved also. A trend we expect to continue as new business wins help us accelerate or end markets stabilize. Our Healthcare & Life Sciences segment also showed better performance. Life Sciences growth improved to 4% as attractive share gains allowed us to outperform ongoing short-term soft industry trends. We continue to expect modest growth in our Life Sciences business during the second half of the year. Health care sales went down modestly as we continue to exit low-margin business to improve our profitability. Our health care transformation is progressing very well and the previously announced sale of our Global Surgical Solutions business to Medline is moving exactly as expected.

Subject to customary, regulatory and closing conditions, we expect to close this transaction very soon. As discussed when we announced the sales last quarter, once closed the transaction will reduce our Healthcare & Life Sciences quarterly sales by about $100 million and quarterly operating income by about $15 million. Longer term, Healthcare continues to sharpen its focus on its very healthy anchor instrument reprocessing business that combines consumables, personal service and digital solutions. While in other words, a typically color business, where there is much more to be done. I'm proud of the progress we've made to create a sustainable, profitable health care business that will deliver even stronger value for our important hospital customers. Pest Elimination once again continued to execute exceptionally well. Organic sales grew 9% and organic operating income grew double digit, benefiting from our enterprise cross-selling strategy and innovative digital capabilities. As we continue our long-term growth journey, I'm excited to share details of our One Ecolab initiative, which will help fuel 5% to 7% long-term organic sales growth and continue to expand our operating margins towards 20% and beyond.

We know what best-in-class performance looks like, the best restaurants, the best hotels for the best data centers, and we know how to deliver this for our customers because of our experience serving millions of locations in more than 170 countries across 40 industries. By leveraging more than 100,000 system connections and billions of proprietary data points on business outcomes, operational performance, and environmental impact, we can demonstrate how an entire network of customer sites can operate a best-in-class performance to deliver even more customer value. This will help us drive attractive growth by continuing to capture more share of our existing $55 billion cross-sell opportunity. At the same time, these new technologies will allow us to enhance the way we operate and serve our customers by realigning the functional work done across hundreds of offices around the world into major global centers of excellence. The resulting total annualized savings of approximately $140 million are expected to be realized by 2027.

But simply, One Ecolab will enable customers to reach best-in-class performance on all three fronts; business outcomes, operational performance and environmental impact by leveraging Ecolab's complete offering. Looking to the balance of '24, the confidence we have in our performance continues to strengthen. As a result, we are increasing our outlook for full year 2024 adjusted EPS to the range of $6.50 to $6.70, up 25% to 29% versus last year. As previously discussed, this range includes an unfavorable impact in the second half of 2024 from the sale of our Global Surgical Solutions business. The unfavorable impact to 2024 adjusted EPS is now estimated to be $0.08 a share, which is a bit more than we had previously anticipated as we expect this transaction to close very soon. This is very good news, but it also has a bigger impact on the full year.

FX on the other hand, has also become more of a headwind and is now anticipated to be about $0.09 drag to full year EPS. And despite these incremental headwinds to EPS, we still have increased our guidance range, which demonstrates the strong underlying momentum we have in the business. We expect to keep growing our organic sales at a similar rate as in the first half of the year, driving 2% to 3% value pricing and 1% to 2% volume growth. Attractive operating income margin expansion is expected to continue in the second half of '24. So the rate of exceptional expansion will moderate benefit from lower delivered product costs will continue to ease. Finally, we continue to anticipate quarterly adjusted diluted earnings per share growth to progressively normalize towards Ecolab's long-term 12% to 15% target as solid growth continues and impact from delivered product costs expected to normalize exiting '24.

As always, we'll remain good stewards of capital by continuing to invest in the business, increasing our dividend and returning cash to shareholders with great business momentum and cash flows, our balance sheet is in a very strong position. This provides us with many options to allocate capital to growth opportunities that will generate continued strong returns for shareholders. Ecolab's future has never looked brighter. Our leading customer value proposition where our technologies help customers improve their operating performance while reducing their water and energy use is increasingly relevant and continues to fuel our growth, pricing and margin expansion. We, therefore, remain confident in delivering superior performance for our customers and shareholders in 2024 and beyond. So thank you for your continued support and investment in Ecolab. I look forward to your questions. Andy?

Andrew Hedberg
Vice President, Investor Relations at Ecolab

Thanks, Christophe. That concludes our formal remarks. Operator, would you please begin the question-and-answer period?

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Operator

Yes, thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question is from the line of Tim Mulrooney with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Tim Mulrooney
Analyst at William Blair

Chris, Scott, good afternoon.

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Good afternoon, Tim.

Tim Mulrooney
Analyst at William Blair

So I wanted to dig into the institutional segment a little bit here, which had really strong OI margins in the second quarter, probably the strongest I've ever seen for the second quarter. I think margins typically peak in the third quarter, but I'm wondering if that's still expectation this year given what we saw in 2Q? And were there any onetime factors that helped [Indecipherable] here that we should be aware of for our models.

And if I could sneak in a part to just to touch on the growth side that you're seeing in the institutional business right now, which looks really good. Just curious how you're thinking about the sustainability of that strong performance as you head into the second half of this year and into next year. Thank you.

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Hey, thanks for the question. Tim, very pleased with the Institutional and Specialty segment. They're performing exceptionally well. As you've seen, as you know, so they're lapping against the 13% top line growth in Q2 of 2023. So the 7% for this year is really strong, especially in a market where food traffic is down 4%. So quite a remarkable performance. The margin that we had in Q2 were very clean for that segment. And as you know, it's a little bit seasonal, so by quarter, but generally, margins are going to remain north of 20%. And as we've said, for the full year, we should reach the 22% targeted OI margin for '24 as the segment keeps improving as well from there. So good top line, huge interest from customers, very clean. And from a margin perspective, so very strong, and it's going to keep improving as well in the next few quarters and years. So very pleased with what IMS is doing.

Innovation is also adding a lot as well as to the firepower of that business. As you know, our customers are trying to find solution to manage labor shortages, wage growth as well that they have. They need more automation, they need more systems, they need more digital technology. This is exactly what we're providing our customers. So all in all, as I've shared with you many times before the pandemic, for me, institutional was kind of a steady good business for the future of Ecolab. Now a few years later, I'm extremely bullish about that business because we're uniquely positioned to gain a lot of share at very high margin.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ashish Sabadra with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Ashish Sabadra
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to focus on the raw price dynamic. How should we think about the raw material tailwinds going into the back half of the year. And we've continued to see pretty robust gross margin expansion. How should we think about the SG&A operating leverage going forward? Thanks.

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Thank you, Ashish. I'll pass that question to Scott.

Scott Kirkland
Chief Financial Officer at Ecolab

Yeah, Ashish, thanks for the question. Just -- answering your first question, as we think about the DPC, as Christoph talked upfront, we saw the favorability in Q2, high single digits. We're expecting that favorability to taper as we go into Q3, sort of, call it, low to mid-single digits. And then by Q4, Ross, we get really stabilized as we think about them and going into next year, frankly, we're seeing a world where raws get back to sort of normal inflationary levels next year. Certainly, given the amount of raws, the thousands of raw materials that we buy, they move around differently in some cases, like caustic, you've seen favorability. But in other commodities, you're seeing them go the other direction, oil-based commodities in particular.

And then as we think about the SG&A leverage, which your two-part question is -- as we talked about last quarter, we are making really smart growth-oriented investments, which is really driving the lion's share of the increase the second quarter, the 6% year-over-year. And those investments are in frontline firepower, technology, digital technology, which is all helping long-term productivity. And we feel very good about that underlying productivity. So in long term, we expect to get to at least those historical levels of productivity going forward.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Manav Patnaik with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Ronan Kennedy
Analyst at Barclays Investment Bank

This is Ronan Kennedy on for Manav. Thank you for taking my question. With the One Ecolab initiative, I understand the long-term guidance framework unveiled at September 23 Investor Day. I understand that contemplated SG&A productivity in addition to GM recovery. But to what extent did you consider this one Ecolab initiative and related benefits? Was it fully considered? Or is it incremental? And what impact -- what's the impact on the targets, the trajectory, the timeline for realization, if any?

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Thank you, Ronnie. It's all going to support, obviously, our commitment to reach the 20% OI margin as quickly as we can. But most importantly, One Ecolab is a growth initiative. It's really helping fuel towards the 5% to 7%, which is the other commitment that we've made as well, which leads to this 12% to 15% earnings per share growth. When you think about it for One Ecolab, our company has anchored its strategy on circle the customer, circle the globe for a very long time. The opportunity is huge, $55 billion and close to $3 billion for our top 35 customers, well, up to now, we had to rely very successfully so, by the way, on our teams to work together in order to provide the whole value of Ecolab to our customers everywhere around the world by working together by reaching out by working as one team.

One Ecolab is today hardwiring all that, that ultimately we can help our customers take a restaurant chain, for instance, understand what's my best-in-class performance that I should be aiming at because we know what the best restaurant performance is out there. In terms of guest satisfaction, in terms of cost, in terms of environmental impact, and we can help them understand what's potential for the company, for the set of restaurants, and we will share that upside between us as value price and obviously, for the customer as a net-net positive for the customer. Well, that helps us grow. That helps us improve our margin that helps our customers improve their performance. So it's a win-win that drives as well retention or loyalty.

So at the end of the day, it's growth focused and at the same time, the technology that we're using will will help us reorganize the way we work, serving those customers as One Ecolab, that's going to improve as well as the productivity. We've had some [Phonetic] 20 to 30 basis points in the past of SG&A productivity growth, that's going to improve as we go forward as we implement One Ecolab, but at the same time, as Scott was mentioning before, today, we also reusing some of that margin upside in order to reinvest in growth investment. All in all, that will help us get to the 20% and go beyond by driving 5% to 7% top line growth.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of John Roberts from Mizuho Securities. Please proceed with your question.

John Roberts
Analyst at Mizuho Securities

Maybe just further follow-up on that, Christophe. It sounds like you plan on creating centers of excellence. So what would the center of excellences be? And is the charge for severance for some of the functions that are going to be replaced by the Center of Excellence?

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

So John, I'll let it to Scott to reply to that question. But generally, we've been so over the years, always evolving the way we work, especially with all the technology capabilities that we have. So most of the investments is to shift from older technology to newer technology to that new way of working, which ultimately is going to help us grow faster and drive productivity, but bottom line, the good thing is that our team will keep strengthening as well in the meantime. So there will be no net negative for anyone in the organization. Was that [Phonetic], Scott?

Scott Kirkland
Chief Financial Officer at Ecolab

Yeah. Thanks, John. I'll add to that, Christophe. As he said, this is not about the restructuring. It's not about cost savings. This is focused on growth. The savings, honestly, John, are pretty immaterial in context of the P&L. And if you think about this over a three-year program, the net sort of cost and savings are less than 1% on average over the next few years, really starting in 2025. But as we think about it, to your question on what that sort of nature of it is and what's happening that is it's not about cutting the jobs, but it's about realigning where the work gets done, moving work to these centers of actions functional work really. To support the growth, create scalability to Christophe earlier point that helps drive incremental productivity from a long-term perspective.

And then to your question on the charges, the special charges will include severance. As we move work from many countries into these global COEs, but also there are other costs in there, including advisory costs, other costs, facility-related costs. But again, these are going to happen over the next few years.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Joshua Spector with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Lucas Beaumont
Analyst at UBS Group

Yeah, hi. This is Lucas Beaumont [Phonetic] on for Josh. So just looking at the second half assumptions, typically, like Ecolab will get a step up in EPS of sort of $0.25 or more 2Q to 3Q. I mean, there's only been a couple of instances in the last 10 years where that didn't happen. So your guide is kind of assuming that it's only up going to $0.12 to $0.20 at the high end. So firstly, I was wondering if you could just kind of walk us through why that normal seasonality doesn't make sense this year?

And then secondly, the typical like 4Q move is like flat to down modestly, which is basically what you've assumed in your guide. So if we had a more typical 3Q move and then we get the normal 4Q move be pointing more to like 680 for the year versus where you guys are at on the 650. So just trying to understand sort of what's different in the setup this year, please? Thanks.

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Thank you. I'll let Scott start and I'll build on that.

Scott Kirkland
Chief Financial Officer at Ecolab

Yeah. Feel free to add to this, Christophe. Obviously, a lot of move around. As Christophe talked in the second half, don't forget that we will have the impact of surgical, which will be a headwind, which we talked about, about $0.08 in addition to the additional headwinds that we'll see from FX. But overall, as you see this, the sales, we expect to continue to accelerate throughout the year, right? And you typically see sales being higher in sort of the second and third quarter of the year.

And then on the other side of this, you'll see the year-over-year margin expansion start to -- will continue to expand, but it will ease to the third quarter as DPC eases and then DPC becomes sort of stable and ultimately a headwind next year. And so I think you have some dynamics here that are probably not going to be able to compare the second half of this year to the normal years. But getting back to this is really the -- if you look at our earnings growth, that we're going to drive very strong earnings growth and even excluding the DPC tailwinds we're getting at third quarter and then the stable DPC in the fourth quarter that we're going to be driving underlying EPS at the high end of our long-term 12% to 15% range.

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Yeah, I feel really good about the second half here. When you think about it, a 35% earnings growth in Q2, 14 to 20 expected in Q3, 12 to 18 for Q4 with the midpoint of 15, as Scott said, so with no DPC help as well at that point, including as well the impact of the surgical sales and FX as well demonstrates the strong business momentum and margin upward momentum that we have as well here. So very consistent, very steady. We feel really good about where we're going here.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Chris Parkinson with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Christopher Parkinson
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Okay. Thank you so much. Chris, I'd like to dig in a little bit more on institutional and specialty, just given kind of all the macro dynamics and your relative outperformance. But when you break down everything that's going on in quick service, including some of these perceived value orders and obviously, to the mechanics of food retail and then lodging and the institutional side of it. What's been driving the degree of material outperformance? And when we think about the second half in '25, does your team see actually any further improvements there? Or is it going to be primarily market share gains that's going to drive the narrative for the foreseeable future? Thank you.

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Yeah. Thank you, Chris. It's mostly market share gain as it's been as well, so the past few quarters. As mentioned, so the food traffic in restaurants in the U.S. is down 4%. So that's really showing how much we're gaining share. The main driver in institutional and specialty of our performance is that we are helping our customers with labor automation. They don't find labor and labor is expensive at the same time and with a high turnover. Other than that, so it's pretty easy for our customers. So it's pretty hard, obviously.

All our solutions that we provide them, being chemical solutions are helping doing three in one or our new dish machine program like the AI dish machine that we introduced at -- at the National Restaurant Association Show a few months ago or our digital technologies as well are all helping our restaurant and hotel customers to serve more guests in a better way while using less labor. Well, this is exactly what they need. This is exactly what we're providing them. And it's exactly what competition can't really provide. So you put it all together, that drives growth at a higher margin because everybody wins.

Operator

The next question is from the line of John McNulty with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

John McNulty
Analyst at BMO Capital Markets

Yeah, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. When you look at the industrial business, it looks like it's kind of a -- there's the haves and have nots and you're seeing some decent growth in areas like water, food and beverage paper still maybe struggling a little bit. I guess, can you give us your outlook for the industrial markets as you're looking forward into the back half of the year and early next year? What you're hearing from your customers, especially on some of the areas that may be struggling like the heavier water applications.

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Thank you, John. Generally, I like the progression that industrial is having. So if you take a little bit the broader picture, the last figures, Industrial has done unbelievable work in terms of margin improvement. We've reached a record level as well. And the shift to [Indecipherable] a year ago that we started is starting to bear fruits as well in terms of top line momentum, which is exactly where we wanted to be.

Getting top line moving while we keep improving as well the margins, and that's exactly what's happening. So we've moved overall segments from 1% growth in the first quarter to 2% in the second quarter. Within that as well, our largest business, which is water is at 4%, which, by the way, has been impacted as well by mining. So underlying water would be even stronger in the downstream is really strong in water as well. Global high-tech is doing extremely well as well at the same time. So industrial shifting very nicely.

When I think about F&B and Paper, they're going to keep improving in the quarters to come. So bottom line, you will see industrial shift even further up with very strong margin of 16% today, which is 200 basis points better than where we were in 2019. So I think that we've really managed that very, very well and the best is yet to come.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Jeff Zekauskas with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Jeffrey Zekauskas
Analyst at J.P. Morgan

Thanks very much. In the first quarter, our year-over-year volume growth was 2%. In this quarter, your year-over-year volume growth is 1%. Is the reason for the deceleration -- a deceleration in volume growth in the institutional business because of tougher comparisons?

And secondly, do you have a target for your global industrial business. I know you want to get to a 20% margin, and that's the business that's maybe at, I don't know, 16.5%, something like that. Do you have a goal for that business?

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Thank you, Jeff. As mentioned just before, so industrial is at 16% right now, it's 200 basis points better than what it was 2019 and ultimately, we want to have industrial move towards the 20% as well, getting to 18% will be already a good step in that direction. And if we get industrial to 18% and all the other businesses get to the target, we will get north of 20% as a whole company. So feel really good about both getting beyond the 20% as a whole company and 18% for industrial, which is an unbelievable margin when you compare to competition.

Now your first question on volumes, so from two to one, well, you comment was the answer. It's the lap between Q2 institutional this year versus last year, which was 13%. That's bringing the 221 [Phonetic]. So it's a year-on-year comparison. Other than that, all businesses, all segments as you've seen, have been improving as well in the meantime. So year-on-year optical comparison, and all businesses are improving very nicely, which is why I feel good about the business momentum.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

David Begleiter
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Thank you. Christophe, back on to the One Ecolab initiative. Do you need to make any additional investments to support this initiative? And how should we think about the rollout -- initial revenue drivers from this initiative?

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

So David, thank you. It's going to be progressive. There is no revolution that's to be expected here. A lot of ground work has been done over the past few quarters as well as we now also get into execution mode. All the investments are planned in our numbers as we will share. So no surprise to be expected. So from that initiative. It's really an initiative that's helping us get towards this 5% to 7% as quickly as we can. And I feel really good because we know that the $55 billion [Phonetic] cross-sell opportunity that we have out there. And again, as mentioned before, out of the top 35 customers, we have $3 billion is available there. Well, this is easier top line that we can get at a higher margin because obviously, we're serving those customers already. So the cost to serve is much lower.

So when you bring it all together, it's very organic, it's very natural. There's no revolution. It's what customers have been asking for years as well. What our teams are expecting as well that when they go and serve a customer while they get the full picture of what we're doing for that customer today. At the same time, they understand what could be the best-in-class performance, how much additional value they could generate, what are the programs that they could sell to them as well and then developing an execution plan for the customer to get there and ultimately to get paid for it through the value pricing that we've been developing over the past few years. So bottom line, very organic, no incremental cost that we haven't included in our numbers as well in here. So I feel really good about where we're going with One Ecolab here.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Pavel Molchanov with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.

Pavel Molchanov
Analyst at Raymond James

Thanks for taking the question. We haven't seen any M&A of late, even on a kind of a bite-sized or tuck-in scale. I'm curious how you're currently evaluating the acquisition pipeline.

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Thank you, Pavel. So I can't go in too much detail for obvious reasons with M&A. We've done several smaller ones over the last few years following, obviously, the acquisition of Purolite at the end of 2021. We wanted to make sure we got that integration well done, that we got the right platform for the future that we could get as well our leverage ratio also back to two. That was our promise as well. We're getting there as well as we speak, even more, obviously, with the sale of our Surgical Solutions business.

So it's all done in a thoughtful manner, both from an execution perspective and from a financial perspective as well. What I can say is that our M&A pipeline of big and small opportunities is very rich. We entertain all those connections on a regular basis as well. The fact that we have a great business, performing extremely well with one of the strongest balance sheet that we've ever had, puts us in a unique position obviously, so to go after opportunities that we believe. So it would be the right one for us. So what you've seen in the past is what you're going to see in the future, but always focused on our three key priorities, as I've shared many times with you. First, it's going to be water. Second, it's going to be digital. And third, it's going to be life science. So those are going to be the main areas where we're going to be investing in M&A as well.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Laurence Alexander with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Participant
at Ecolab

Hey, it's [Indecipherable] for Lawrence. Just a little bit on the other side of the coin. You did a divestiture in the low-margin health care, and forgive me if you've said this in the past, but are there other businesses which you can look at where you might be exiting as well within that segment or within others?

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Not really. We obviously look at our portfolio on a regular basis. And really, you think the way on who would be the best owner for that business. That's been true for a very, very long time. The surgical business was an obvious candidate because it is a product business, it's not a service business where we can apply the Ecolab model, where you have service, technology, chemistry and data that come together. Surgical was purely drapes, great drapes, obviously, but those are products. That's a business that fits very well in a medline portfolio, much less in our own company. So that's one of the reasons why we've sold this business.

At the same time, we want to make sure that our health care business can build from a smaller scale, a much healthier business for the future and really focused on instrument processing, which is a typical Ecolab business. Beyond that, there is no obvious business out there that doesn't fit the portfolio that doesn't have the right performance. I like a lot the broad-based nature of the performance of the business across businesses and across markets. So in short, no obvious candidate out there to do something similar.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Shlomo Rosenbaum with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Shlomo Rosenbaum
Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus

Hi, thank you. I just wanted to ask Scott to maybe dig a little bit deeper just on that volume question that was brought up before. I understand the mathematical implications of institutional growth slowing, but because of the comps, how should we think of that in the second half of the year? If you look at it, year on year [Phonetic] -- on a total company volume, you grew 1% on a negative 1% last quarter. If you had 0% or flat volume in 3Q does it make it tougher in order to generate the volume growth for the second half of the year. So just trying to get to how we should think of the volume growth going forward?

And then if you don't mind, I just want to ask a housekeeping question, we saw a spike up sequentially in interest expense about $7 million, but the debt level was relatively the same. I don't know if there were some inter-quarter borrowing or is there something else that's included in that line. If you could just clarify that, so we can straighten that out for our model.

Scott Kirkland
Chief Financial Officer at Ecolab

Yeah, I'll start with your last question first. If you just look at interest expense overall year-over-year, we had cash that we used to pay down debt earlier in the year in the first quarter. So there's some impact from that as cash has come down from over $900 million at the end of 2023 to at the end of Q2, it's about $380 million. So that's probably the biggest driver as we look sequentially on interest expense. Expect interest expense in the second half to be in that call it, $60 million to $70 million range, which is inclusive of benefit we'll get from the Orchid proceeds, which is, as you've seen in the disclosure, the gross proceeds there are about $950 million.

So back to your earlier volume question, when I think Christophe hit on exactly, which is an to Jeff's earlier comment, as we look at that sequentially, on the volume, it's really the impact of the comparisons to the institutional volume coming down from Q1 to Q2 on the more difficult comps and as we think about in the second half in that range that Christophe talked earlier in this 1% to 2%.

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

And maybe building on that, my commitments to you has been so to get to this five to seven as quickly as we can. Four to five this year, as I've said, not every quarter is going to be created equal, mostly because of year-on-year comparison. So four to five this year towards five to seven doesn't seem to be like something crazy especially with the momentum that we're showing, and Industrial also getting better, as mentioned, past remaining very strong. Institutional being in a very strong position as well. And when I see all the investments that we're making as well out of the margins improvements that we have with more feet on the street, with more capacities in growth businesses like global high tech. With more capabilities in digital and innovation around the world as well, I feel good with the trajectory that we're having moving from this four to five to five to seven is going to happen so very naturally.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Steve Byrne with Bank of America.

Steve Byrne
Analyst at Bank of America

Yes, thank you. I'd like to hear your view on two potentially meaningful longer-term opportunities in water. The first one being this initiative you talked about last year where you're going to be going after these -- I don't know, what is 150 companies that consume 20% of global freshwater, is that an initiative that still has a meaningful potential for you. And then the other one is with PFAS being classified as hazardous, that means every company that manages or uses it, will have to report it in 2025 under TRI -- is that an initiative you are following?

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Thank you, Steve. So two parts, obviously, very different components of your question here. So first, in terms of focusing on the 150 companies that use a third of the world water. This is where we focus all our attention. And as mentioned before, so our laser focus on our top 35 customer as a company aligns perfectly well with that vision of the world of those 150 companies using a third of the world water. Those are the ones that are the more interested, obviously, in our technology, helping them produce more while reducing their cost by reducing the usage of energy and water.

This is working really well, which is one of the reasons where our water business is doing well and keeps accelerating as well at the same time. Now on the PFAS question, which is an old question, We have all the technologies to get that done the right way. Regulation is going to help in a certain extent where everyone will have to play with the same rules. So we are really focusing on our customers today, helping them get plans on how to address that PFAS issue that turns into a business opportunity so for us over time. And we focus mostly on food and beverage customers, those are the ones who have the highest interest right now. And I like the progress that we're making here, but it's going to take some time to see it happen or having an impact on our top line growth. But at some point, it will.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research. Please proceed with your question.

Kevin McCarthy
Analyst at Vertical Research

Yes, thank you and good afternoon, Christophe, my question relates to the potential timing attached to your long-standing EBIT margin goal of 20%. Would you expect to achieve that margin target coincident with the $140 million of savings from One Ecolab or perhaps sooner than that or later. I appreciate that the macro environment obviously has something to say about the timing, but I would certainly welcome any updated thoughts on that glide path and time frame.

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Thank you, Kevin. It was in September or October last year that I said we will get there, so within a few years. And for sure, less than five. Well, we're almost a year later. So it's kind of the same and a year closure. To that, if anything, I feel more confident that we're going to get there. We're going to get there in time. There is no direct correlation between the One Ecolab savings and that margin, as Scott was saying before, we're talking about smaller numbers. This $140 million [Phonetic] in the grand scheme of things. One Ecolab is mostly a growth initiative which will help, obviously, on the SG&A, but most importantly, will drive the margin, gross margin even higher, which will lead us to an OI improvement.

So I stick to where we were within the next few years, and we see the PCs coming very well together. Gross margin is already close to 44%, which was the high watermark. For our company, we keep improving from there. Our SG&A is 200 basis points below where it was pre-pandemic as well in 2019 and will keep accelerating as well. Well, you bring all three together nice top line acceleration, gross margin further improvements and productivity improvements as well will mathematically lead to the 20% fairly soon.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Patrick Cunningham with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Patrick Cunningham
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Hi, thanks for taking my question. So on the Pest Elimination business, the sales growth continues to be very strong, but the margin expansion is a bit more muted than the other segments. How should we think about the cadence of growth investments into that business and the timing on when we start to see some meaningful sales leverage and just a follow-up there is, what sort of long-term margin target do you have for that business?

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

Good question, Patrick. So I really love that business, very steady growth, high single, low double, really good, not always an easy market, but whatever happens out there, it's always a very good performance. At the same time, it's the best performing best Elimination business in the world, which is also a good indication. And as you know, so there is no raw materials, almost none related to that business. So there is no DPC help or hurt obviously on that business. It's a business that's going to get north of 20%, for sure. And when I think about the main growth drivers here, there are two mostly.

The first one is to drive cross-sell, which has been at core of our growth strategy in pest elimination, so selling the pest elimination services to existing Ecolab customers worked really well over many, many years. And second, it's to invest in connected devices. We have all the technology. We are one of the largest industrial cloud in the world. We have all sensing technology. We have all systems, we have all cybersecurity, everything that you need. Ultimately, so to connect all those millions of devices around the world that today, we go and visit regularly each of them to check whether you're going to get activities or not, well, tomorrow that's going to be very different.

One data point at the National Restaurant Association Show we were in that big conference hall, where you have 600 traps in there today, we need roughly eight hours to go and check all those traps. Tomorrow, it's going to be done in 20 minutes. So just imagine how much value we can create, both in terms of growth, in terms of service to customers and naturally in terms of performance that we can drive out of the business. So that's going to drive top line growth. It's going to drive earnings growth, and it's going to drive return on invested capital, which is already the highest in our company even further higher.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Andy Wittman with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Andrew J. Wittmann
Analyst at Robert W. Baird

Oh great. Thanks for taking my question this afternoon. I guess I also wanted to ask on the One Ecolab plan just because from the outside, it's hard to, I think, understand sometimes the difference between your various plans. I think over the years, I think back to like the 2018 efficiency initiative, you talked about some of the technology investments that you made enabled those changes then, you expanded that in '19 and then again in '20. The institutional advancement program that you rolled out in '23 was largely underpinned, I think Christophe about the digital investments that you made at that time as well. And then I think even the European program that you announced in '23 also was kind of driven by digital. So this one I'm hearing again is going to be using technology to effectuate some of these efficiencies, but I mean, can you just make a little bit finer point on kind of what's different about this one compared to some of the prior ones?

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

So the main difference, Andy, is that the prior ones whereby individual business. It was to really improve the delivery and the performance of institutional. From a growth perspective, you've seen the results. That's why it's working so well today. It's the only reason. Obviously, we talked about innovation as [Indecipherable], but the way we've organized ourselves, the way we've leveraged technology has been leading to this great performance that we have in institution and specialty today. You look at Europe, it was also technology, but it was much more back-office technology. It was much more ERP, Andy. And when you look today, well, Europe came from 0% margin to 13%, 14% today. So a very solid good business that we have there.

One Ecolab is connecting all the businesses together in order for our customers to see One Ecolab and for us to help them understand by leveraging all Ecolab can do, what's the value, what's the savings that me as a customer can expect if all my units were the best performance level of all my locations, how much would that be? It's a different dimension because this one, Andy, is connecting businesses together the previous ones were by individual businesses that all led to very good returns at the same time.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Mike Harrison with Seaport Research. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Harrison
Analyst at Seaport Global Securities

Hi good afternoon. You noted the high-tech business within the Water segment is growing double digits. Christophe, is there any way to be a little bit more specific? Is that teens growth rate or more like 20% or 30% or even higher? And can you talk about the penetration rate with data centers? Or any other context around the opportunity that you're seeing around data centers over the next few years for your Water business? Thank you.

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

So it's been in 2023, so that business, which is a few hundred million, as we've talked about, has been growing some in the 30%-ish like that. We're not disclosing too much detail so far. It will come when we have a more steady state organization and platform to serve that new industry, we will share that, obviously, with you, but kind of a few hundred million growing roughly 30% last year, what it's showing you kind of the trajectory that we have in that business. At the same time, it's a very highly profitable business because the customers we serve, which are the high-tech companies, being semiconductors, manufacturers or data centers, hyperscalers operators. Well, those ones are not looking for the most cost-efficient solution.

They are trying to find partners that are helping them deliver the highest uptime, the highest power of computing, while reducing the usage of water and energy because that's the true limiting factor and that's where we invest all our resources on innovation in order to help those companies produce more computing power while reducing the impact on the environment. So the cost of it is kind of secondary which means we can invest in high technology. They pay for it. It's good for them. It's good for us. It's good for our shareholders as well. This global high-tech business has been a fantastic business and keeps getting better.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Vincent Andrews with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Vincent Andrews
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Thank you. One more on the One Ecolab and Christophe, you noted that this program is designed for all of your segments. I'm wondering if you can just touch on within the different segments, are there some where you anticipate having a greater impact on volume or a greater impact on price? And overall, are there some segments that you think it will benefit more than others?

Christophe Beck
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ecolab

It's an interesting question, Vincent. There is one that I could share with you. When I think about F&B, as we speak, so we are bringing our food and beverage, cleaning and sanitation business together with our water F&B business. And don't get me wrong. It's not that suddenly we'll have at the frontline people doing both water and cleaning insinuation. They go hand in hand, but they are complementary, like you would be in a hospital, you have several physicians that are serving you as a patient. We believe in expertise. We don't believe in generalist. But that business, which will include our cleaning and sanitation and water together, well, is one of our biggest business, one of our best franchisees as well in the world. And I believe that's going to drive a lot of further value for our customers and for us and our shareholders, obviously here.

But you can think as well about institutional. When you are a restaurant chain, so with thousands of restaurants in the country or around the world, knowing what's the potential of performance improvement in dollar terms that I can get if all my restaurants were performing at the best performing one. Well, that's huge insight. What's even more important. So with us is that we can deliver that performance because we've delivered it for the best-performing unit as well at the same time. And the fact that we shared then afterwards the upside for the customer what that drives mostly value price, which is not the least price, which is mostly seen in other businesses. I mean, in other companies. For us, value price, and that's why we call it that way. It's our share in the improvement that we are delivering to our customers, which is why it never goes down by the way and we keep going up as we move forward as well at the same time.

So a very good story for all businesses. Food and beverage is an obvious one and institutional another one as well. So ultimately, this is bringing our strategy of circle the customer, circle the globe in ways that are much more hard wired than the way we did it in the past where we can share the knowledge of Ecolab anywhere around the world across all businesses and industries. Well, that's a critical reason why I believe that in the quarters and years to come, we will keep delivering day in and day out and get towards our targeted performance of the 5% to 7% or 20% OI margin and 12% to 15% earnings per share growth as our next step of performance. And again, that's not going to be the last step. This is our next level of performance that we're all working hard to deliver as quickly as we can.

Operator

Thank you. Mr. Hedberg, there are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back to you for closing comments.

Andrew Hedberg
Vice President, Investor Relations at Ecolab

Thank you. That wraps up our second quarter conference call. This conference call and the associated discussion slides will be available for replay on our website. Thanks for your time and participation, and hope everyone has a great rest of your day.

Operator

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