Aperam Q4 2024 Earnings Report $27.87 0.00 (0.00%) As of 04/11/2025 Earnings HistoryForecast Aperam EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.10Consensus EPS $0.12Beat/MissMissed by -$0.02One Year Ago EPS$0.14Aperam Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$236.80 millionExpected Revenue$225.83 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$10.97 millionYoY Revenue Growth-2.10%Aperam Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date7/30/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, July 30, 2024Conference Call Time8:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsAperam's next earnings date is estimated for Friday, May 2, 2025, based on past reporting schedules. Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryAPEMY ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Aperam Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 30, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Neogen Corporation 4th Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Tuesday, July 30, 2024. I would now like to turn the conference over to Bill Waelke. Operator00:00:27Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you for joining us this morning for the discussion of the 4th quarter of our 2024 fiscal year. I'll briefly cover the non GAAP and forward looking language before passing the call over to our CEO, John Adent, who will be followed by our CFO, Dave Namura. Before the market opened today, we published our 4th quarter results as well as a presentation with both documents available in the Investor Relations section of our website. On our call this morning, we will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures that we believe are useful in evaluating our performance. Reconciliations of historical non GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release and the presentation, Slide 2 of which provides a reminder that our remarks will include forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Speaker 100:01:26These forward looking statements are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different from those expressed in or implied by such forward looking statements. These risks include, among others, matters that we have described in our most recent annual report on Form 10 ks and in other filings we make with the SEC. We disclaim any obligation to update these forward looking statements. With that, I'll turn things over to John. Speaker 200:01:59Thanks, Bill. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the earnings call for the Q4 of our 2024 fiscal year. After crossing multiple significant integration milestones in the Q3, progress continued on multiple fronts in the 4th quarter. We finished relocating the former 3 ms sample handling product lines in our facility in Lexington, Kentucky and are now in the process of ramping up to full production levels, which we expect to be at the end of next month. We also saw improvement throughout the Q4 in our shipping performance and this progress has allowed our commercial teams to return their focus to what they do best, demand generation. Speaker 200:02:40Food production volumes remained mostly down on a year over year basis, as customers continue to be under pressure, but the end market environment was stable in the Q4. With the belief that food inflation in particular will continue to ease, food production volumes are generally expected to slowly improve over the course of our 2025 fiscal year. Along with the improving end market backdrop, our commercial teams are leveraging the broadest product portfolio in the industry and our reputation for consultative customer service to drive demand. Now for our results for the quarter. Total food safety core revenue grew in the mid single digit range, following solid growth in the Q4 of fiscal 2023. Speaker 200:03:25In animal safety, channel inventory levels and end user demand for our product categories remain roughly stable compared to the prior quarter. Our lower quarterly sales in this segment are due primarily to our genomics business in the U. S. And were otherwise flat on a core basis. In our genomics business globally, core revenue was still down on a year over year basis. Speaker 200:03:49In the Q1, we began to round trip most of the impact of the strategic shift towards larger production animals, which has primarily impacted the U. S. Business. We are focusing our efforts on driving growth in the direct to producer beef and dairy business, as well as managing through a mostly flat companion animal market by expanding our direct to the consumer genetic testing offerings. With respect to product technology, we've seen notable developments recently related to 2 of our priority growth areas, pathogen detection and petri foam. Speaker 200:04:25In early June, the USDA's Food Safety Inspection Service named the Neogen Molecular Detection System or MDS as its primary screening method for salmonella and Listeria in meat, eggs and poultry. Salmonella and Listeria represent the majority of pathogen testing in these food categories and this selection by the USDA further validates the effectiveness, reliability and ease of use of our MDS testing platform. We believe we have a significant opportunity for growth in pathogen detection and plan to leverage the core capabilities of the MDS platform as a key part of our product development initiatives in this area. The USD announcement was followed in late June by the launch for our Petri Film automated reader, which automates the loading of Petrifilm plates. The automated reader is specifically designed for high volume labs and allows users to automatically feed and enumerate up to 300 petrofoam plates, while integrating with existing lab workflows and systems. Speaker 200:05:29This level of automation removes the need for lab technicians to manually load individual plates into the reader, reducing labor and providing more capacity for data analysis. We expect the growth of this product to take some time to ramp up, but it allows us to more effectively target the market opportunity for high volume testing environments. Those labs typically running over 100,000 such tests annually. We believe petrofilm is a clear market leader in indicated testing and are planning continued investment to maintain its market leadership and unlock additional opportunities. On our last earnings call, we've committed to resolve the distribution inefficiencies stemming from our SAP and our new warehouse management system by the end of the Q1. Speaker 200:06:14Although the Q4 was impacted by these issues, they have now effectively been resolved in our commercial efforts are squarely focused on winning back the sales that were impacted. With respect to the integration, there's still work ahead of us, but the vast majority involves the completion and outfitting of our new future film production facility, which we do not expect will affect the rest of our operations. Now I'll turn the call over to Dave for some more insights into our results for the quarter. Speaker 300:06:43Thank you, John, and welcome to everyone on the call today. Jumping into the results, our 4th quarter revenues were $237,000,000 Core revenue, which excludes the impact of foreign currency, acquisitions and discontinued product lines, grew 2% for the quarter, while foreign currency was a headwind of 4 20 basis points compared to the prior year. Although we made significant progress during the quarter, our total revenue was impacted by our lower order fulfillment rates. Moving to the segment level. Revenues in our Food Safety segment were $167,000,000 in the quarter, a decrease of 1% compared to the prior year, including core growth of over 4%. Speaker 300:07:27The core growth was led by the indicator testing, culture media and other product category, which benefited from double digit growth in our petrofilm product line as well as solid growth in culture media and food quality nutritional analysis. The bacterial and general sanitation product categories saw growth in pathogens and general sanitation, partially offset by decline in microbiology due primarily to a higher level of equipment sales in the prior year period. Within the natural toxins and allergens category, modest growth in allergens was offset by a decline in natural toxins due mainly to reduced product availability. Quarterly revenues in the Animal Safety segment were $70,000,000 which includes a core revenue decline of 3% compared to the prior year quarter. Overall, inventory levels in the channel remained largely stable with our decline in core revenue being driven by a couple of specific product category dynamics. Speaker 300:08:27The Vet Instruments and Disposables product line had another quarter of solid core growth. In the Animal Care and Other Product category, core growth was led by higher sales of our vitamin injectables and biologics products. Within our portfolio of biosecurity products, strong growth in insect control was offset by declines in cleaners and disinfectants and rodent control due primarily to a compare challenge on strong growth in the prior year quarter and timing of current year shipments. Worldwide genomics revenue was down mid single digits on a core basis. Solid growth in beef markets in EMEA and Latin America was offset by the shift away from small production animals in the U. Speaker 300:09:10S, the impact of which we expect to decrease as we exit the Q1. From a regional perspective, core revenue growth in the 4th quarter was mixed. Growth was led by Latin America, which saw growth well into the double digits with a strong performance across most key product categories. The growth was driven by progress on back order fulfillment, some level of distributor restocking and additional business at key food producers. Our business in Europe grew low single digits on a core basis with strength in culture media, petri film, general sanitation and sample handling, partially offset by a decline in Biosecurity Products. Speaker 300:09:53Asia Pacific core revenue grew mid single digits on a year over year basis with strong growth in petri film and general sanitation offset by declines in pathogen and sample handling. Our U. S. And Canada regions saw the largest impact in the quarter from the shipment delays in our main distribution center with core revenue down in the mid single digit range. Despite the impact, Petrifilm did see a modest level of growth, which was offset by declines in most other food safety product categories. Speaker 300:10:22In the animal safety segment, performance was mixed with vet instruments and animal care offset by declines in biosecurity and genomics. Gross margin in the quarter was 47.9%, representing a decrease of 300 basis points from 50.9% in the same quarter a year ago. Adjusting for transaction and integration related costs, the gross margin decline in Q4 was about 2 10 basis points. The decline was driven primarily by costs related to stabilization of our distribution and logistics operations and a higher than usual level of inventory adjustments. Adjusted EBITDA was $53,000,000 in the 4th quarter, representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of 22.4%, a year over year decline of 3 70 basis points. Speaker 300:11:13The decline in adjusted EBITDA margin resulted primarily from the decline in gross margin with some additional negative impact of transaction FX. Overall, the adjusted EBITDA margin came in below what we believe is our underlying run rate, this level of revenue by approximately 100 basis points as a result of some higher charges in the quarter that should not recur. 4th quarter adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share were $22,000,000 and $0.10 respectively, compared to $30,000,000 and $0.14 in the prior year quarter. The declines in the current year Q4 were driven primarily by the lower adjusted EBITDA. We ended the quarter with gross debt of 900,000,000 dollars 67% of which remains at a fixed rate and a total cash position of $171,000,000 Compared to the Q3, cash was roughly flat with outflows for capital expenditures offset by operating cash inflows. Speaker 300:12:12Moving to our outlook for the fiscal year 2025. Speaker 200:12:16We Speaker 300:12:16are expecting core revenue growth in the mid single digit range on the back of an end market environment we expect to slowly improve as the year progresses, with total revenue anticipated between $925,000,000 $955,000,000 We expect the first half of fiscal twenty twenty five to be a little wider than its usual seasonality of around 48% as we continue our focus on winning back sales following the shipment constraints we experienced in the second half of fiscal twenty twenty four. Adjusted EBITDA for the full year is expected to be between $215,000,000 $235,000,000 reflecting margin expansion of approximately 100 basis points and an incremental margin of over 70% at the midpoints. We expect this margin expansion to be driven by improvements in gross margin and operating expense efficiency and aligned with revenue growth throughout the year. With respect to capital expenditures, we are anticipating a sizable decrease as we move past the peak integration spend of fiscal 2024. For fiscal 2025, we expect capital expenditures of approximately 85,000,000 with approximately $55,000,000 specifically related to integration items. Speaker 300:13:32We believe higher adjusted EBITDA combined with lower CapEx and the 3 ms working capital loaded not repeating will result in free cash flow being well into positive territory. I'll now hand the call back to John for some closing thoughts. Thanks, Dave. The last couple of quarters have seen Speaker 200:13:52a tremendous amount of integration progress as we extricated ourselves from the services previously provided by our transition partner. This progress came with the inefficiencies distribution center that we discussed and have now resolved. Fiscal 2024 represented the peak of cash outflows for the integration in terms of both capital expenditures and working capital investment. Outside of the new facility we're building, the 3 ms food safety operations have now been combined with Neogen and we're able to shift a significant portion of our operational focus towards driving improvements in these combined operations. Commercially, we're excited to see a continued trend of improvement in our end markets and look forward to operating in a much more normal environment in which we're able to bring the combined power of 1 Neogen to demand generation on an unconstrained basis. Speaker 200:14:47As demonstrated by some of our recent product launches, innovation remains a top priority. We are continuing to invest behind our key technology platforms where we believe we have a meaningful opportunity to drive growth, particularly in regions where we are underrepresented today. Simultaneously, we're exploring a number of new technologies that can improve the quality and ease of food safety testing and strengthen our leadership position in the industry. While we have a significant amount of work that's behind us, we understand and are committed to executing on the opportunities ahead of us to continue to position the business for long term growth. Speaking of work, all of the progress we've made would not have been possible without the dedication sacrifices made by our team members around the world. Speaker 200:15:36I'm proud of what they've achieved to date. I want to thank them all again for their continued efforts. Now, I'll turn things over to the operator to begin the Q and A. Operator00:15:47Thank you. Your first question comes from David Westenberg with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:16:16Thank you for taking the question and congrats on a good end of the year, right, big beat numbers. All right. And guidance in line. So, let's go with the Petri Film. I'm going to ask just a bunch on Petri Film all in kind of one question because I think that is a pretty important business. Speaker 400:16:36So as we look at the retrospective on Petri Film, can you give us some sort of rate of customers that you've won back, customers that are still ready to come back? And then can you talk about how that new automated Petri film reader can maybe drive business to that to petri film? And of course, you talked about the high volume customers. Can you give us a distribution of what percent of your customers are high volume customer versus low volume customer? Just would love to figure out how much of your customers would actually be able to convert to that system. Speaker 400:17:18So that was a lot. Apologies. Speaker 200:17:21That's all right. I got it. If I missed something, So, yes, regarding petrofoam, I mean, I think you saw we had a nice quarter in the Q4. We saw petrofoam in the grew double digits in the low teens. We thought that was a nice growth for us. Speaker 200:17:40I think you saw what we did in Japan where we lost customers. Were able to claw that back and Japan actually had growth for the year. We see that kind of continuing. It's a great opportunity for us. The end markets are still a little soft. Speaker 200:17:57I mean, we still see that they're at low single digit decline. So that's a little bit challenging for us in the Food Production segment. And we think that's going to continue with it gradually improving in our next fiscal year, kind of on the back half is where we think we're going to see some change there. Regarding the reader, yes, I mean, look, we're excited to have that because today you manually feed that in and now we can do 300 plus stacked to have it read in. It's really focusing, David, on the food safety high throughput labs. Speaker 200:18:36And when we talk about our market share at 20%, a portion of those of the remaining 80 is in those high throughput labs, right? And then that's really where we're going to target that growth. It's going to be an opportunity for us though longer term to approach non food producing labs in an ancillary market with that same type of equipment. Now that's going to take us a little bit longer, because we're developing products today that we're going to use to address those markets. But we can't really produce those until we have manufacturing in our house because we can't expand the SKU line coming out of 3M. Speaker 200:19:16So we're excited about having the reader. We think it's going to be an opportunity to really address those high throughput food producing labs that we currently work with. These are labs that do over 100,000 tests. Those are the ones that we're really targeting with that. And then it's going to open a broader opportunity for new Speaker 400:19:40that's that's helpful. Just maybe, if I can dive in a little bit. So it does sound like those high volume customers may do represent a pretty high percentage of the revenue in Petrie Film. Did I catch that right? And anyway, Speaker 200:19:57it's a lower number David, it's a lower number of customers, but they do more volume. So I don't I wouldn't say it's of that remaining 80%, I wouldn't say it's the higher piece. I'd say it's less than half, but it's more targeted because they do a lot of volume, but it's a handful of customers. Speaker 400:20:15Got it. No. Perfect. And then, you have another analyst on there, so I'll just keep it to 2. So can you talk this one's for Dave. Speaker 400:20:25I want to you talked about the gross margins. You cited the distribution and inventory. I think you said more than 200 basis points of headwind there. That does sound like it would be pretty temporary. So as we're doing our model into next year, should we think about that rolling off pretty quickly? Speaker 400:20:43Or should we have that as a couple quarter drag? And just as we think about modeling, if you can cite any other year over years to compare to think about as we're modeling out our 2025 fiscal year? And I'll stop there. Thank you. Speaker 300:21:00Yes. Thanks, David. I think the 4th quarter gross margin fundamentally came in lighter than where we think the business is running. It's a function of some higher inventory write down, which again we working on stabilizing our distribution logistics footprint. And ultimately, as we've worked through that over a what's amounted to a 2.5 quarter period, it's resulted in some higher level of inventory write down as well as some continued inefficiency. Speaker 300:21:31So I think if you step back from the quarter, net net, probably a couple of 100 basis points of inefficiency on the gross margin side, a little lower OpEx than I think representative of the run rate. So I think at the EBITDA margin line, probably around 100 basis points light. I think we see the gross margin, some of those efficiencies come back over time. I think hopefully second half, we see some of that recovery. As you know, gross margin is also reasonably volume dependent given our higher incrementals. Speaker 300:22:10So I think you'll see improvement ratably at both the gross margin line accruing down to the EBITDA margin line as 2025 progresses? Thank you for the question. Speaker 400:22:23Thanks guys and congrats on ending the year well. Speaker 500:22:28Thanks David. Speaker 400:22:29Fiscal year well. Operator00:22:32Your next question comes from Brandon Vazquez with William Blair. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:22:39Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe on a high level, first, can we just start? John, can you just talk about as you look at the organization now, most of the integration of the business is done here. What are the opportunities and then even the risks as you look at the call it the next 1 to 2 years from a commercial perspective? Speaker 500:22:56And then maybe, Dave, can you also frame from the P and L side, same kind of discussion of like what are the remaining risks and opportunities here in the next 1 to 2 years? Speaker 200:23:10Yes. Thanks, Brandon. Look, the growth opportunities in the next 1 to 2 years are now that we have substantially everything except petrofilm on house is to take the OneNeogen portfolio to our customers and drive share growth, right, and doing that across multiple regions. As we've talked about in the past, we feel that we're still underpenetrated in Asia, we're underpenetrated in Europe, we're underpenetrated in LatAm, heck, we're underpenetrated in the U. S. Speaker 200:23:38So we still have a 20% share opportunities to continue to grow, right, in these core markets. So that's number 1. Secondarily, you see what we're doing with MDS. You saw that in MDS, we had an opportunity, where we saw that the USDA chose our molecular detection system as the choice for salmonella testing and listeria testing in poultry, eggs and meat. I don't know if you saw yesterday, they also said that now they're going to start requiring salmonella testing in all poultry products. Speaker 200:24:13So when we were asked, what does that do? Well, just to get the USDA contract really isn't that big of a revenue deal. But now as they continue to move testing farther and push it along that we are the testing of choice really helps us as they continue to drive this throughout the industry. So big opportunities to continue in new product development like we saw with our MDS and pathogen testing. As we talked about with David, the reader is going to open up the opportunity in the high throughput labs, first starting with the food high throughput labs, but that opportunity really past 2 years to look at commercial labs in general that are using petrofoam. Speaker 200:24:57I was talking to the group, but I don't ask for a lot. The only thing I'm asking for is everybody that uses petro dishes in the world should be using petrofoam. Film. That's not a lot to ask for. So I think that's something that we're going to aspire to as a group. Speaker 200:25:12I think if you think about the risk side, our biggest risk is still bringing in the new Petri film manufacturing in the Lansing. Now the team was in Taiwan. The equipment's up. It's running. We performance tested it in Taiwan. Speaker 200:25:27We were very pleased with the results. So we've approved signed off. So we're breaking down the equipment and it's going to be sent over to the U. S. So we're right on track to where we need to be kind of on that progress. Speaker 200:25:40But to me, that's the number one. And then secondarily, I'd just like to I'd like to see our customers get back to some growth. The unprecedented inflation that we've had has really had an impact on the market that I haven't seen in 7 years here. And you still see it. I mean, I don't know if you saw McDonald's comments, but when you've got people revolting that fast food prices are too high, it's tough. Speaker 200:26:07It's tough out there. So I'd like to see some of that ease. We think that could help a little bit in the second half, which is and Dave will kind of take you through kind of the quarters, but we think second half is going to be stronger for us as that eases a little bit. But I'd like to see the markets improve a little bit. And as we talked about, we're kind of going to be in the trough for animal safety. Speaker 200:26:31The good news is it's a smaller part of our business, but that business is not going to be growing as fast as next fiscal year because of the kind of the economics right now in the Production Animal segment. Speaker 300:26:43Hey, Brandon, just to follow-up on the second part of your question. I'd say maybe in the near term and then the longer term. I'd say in the near term, we need a year where we're not faced with a sizable integration challenge. In 2023, we have supply side constraint from 3 ms. And then of course in 2024, we did the shipping logistics order to cash integration, which resulted in constraint on our capacity to ship. Speaker 300:27:08And some of that impact now flow through particularly into the first half of fiscal twenty twenty five. So you know from being around here that we typically see the first half is a little lighter than the second half. I think historically in the kind of $48,000,000 $52,000,000 type range, I think what we'll see in $25,000,000 again in the near term is a little lighter first half and then a little better second half with better growth rates in the second half on what amounts to an easier compare. We've got some share to recapture Speaker 100:27:40as a result of some Speaker 300:27:40of the shipping constraints. We'll see that mostly impact Q1, which historically is always our lowest quarter from both a revenue and an EBITDA margin perspective. So it will put pressure earlier in the year. But as we work through that like we did following the supply constraint of Petri Film in 2023, we should see that recover. I think in the intermediate to longer term, we've talked about the integration thesis remaining intact. Speaker 300:28:12And I think it really does. We've always talked about the P and L performance here. Yes, there's always this or that, this put or that take, but at the end of the day, this is going to P and L performance will come down to volume. So getting back to unconstrained growth, being able to tackle the markets as John elaborated on is what really unlocks the opportunity for the P and L. I'll stop there. Speaker 500:28:40Okay. Thanks, Dave. And maybe to follow-up on what you were talking about at the end there. If I look at guidance for the year at the midpoint, let's call it a $75,000,000 delta towards EBITDA to get to that $300,000,000 form a goal you guys previously put out there without kind of going into timing of getting there. I think you guys want to take things a year at a time, which I understand. Speaker 500:29:03But talk about what the bridge is? How do you get that incremental $75,000,000 in EBITDA? What are the drivers that get you from like a fiscal 2025 EBITDA number up to eventually in an undisclosed timeframe, dollars 300,000,000 EBITDA number? Speaker 300:29:20Yes. I appreciate that. I think the levers are first, obviously growth. We've stated that the $300,000,000 EBITDA number is associated with over $1,000,000,000 in revenue and We need to move into that territory to do that. I also think as we move through years of significant integration activities that we're able to also drive better fall through and efficiency as we continue to work the P and L. Speaker 300:29:50It was a noisy year, but underlying that is a lot of operational improvements throughout the organization and bringing some new perspectives to the teams that I think are going to accrue benefits over time. So it's really the combination of those two factors and the strong incrementals that the company can do on that growth, including the 3 ms products, which have shown in particular Petri film to have very, very strong fall through. So market timing aside, integration activities aside, we still think that's in play. To your point, we're only guiding 1 year at a time. But we believe that the post integration thesis, financial thesis remains intact. Speaker 300:30:36It's just a function of time and that's a function of and that will drive the growth. Speaker 500:30:41Okay. And maybe one last one for me, Dave again. Can you talk a little bit about what is baked into the high and the low end of the revenue and EBITDA guidance ranges? Thanks guys. Speaker 300:30:55Sure. First of all, look, we talked, John said in his remarks, I elaborated on it a little bit. We constrained supply to our customers for the better part of 2.5 quarters and there's implications for that. And I think we'll see that in the first half of the year. The shape at which we recover that is meaningful to the shape of the year. Speaker 300:31:16So I would say we've contemplated at least a couple of points impact from that in the midpoint of the guide. But obviously, that's a tough number to estimate even with the data that we have. So that fundamentally could be better or worse. As we look at our customers, their production levels, we think we're in a reasonably soft spot in the food safety end market kind of through the cycle, it's not flat and we think right now we're in a more difficult part of the cycle. We're planning on reasonably slow recovery. Speaker 300:31:53But that again could be better or worse. And we're also assuming that we remain in the lower part of the little more cyclical animal safety market. So there's market implications. I think there's share and share recapture implications here. And I think those would be the big influencers plus or minus the midpoint, Brandon. Operator00:32:30There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to John Addon for closing remarks. Speaker 200:32:38Great. Well, thanks everyone. Appreciate you joining us today and we look forward to updating you again on our Q1 call in October. So have a good summer. Thank you. Operator00:32:49Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Neogen Corporation 4th Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Tuesday, July 30, 2024. I would now like to turn the conference over to Bill Waelke. Operator00:00:27Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you for joining us this morning for the discussion of the 4th quarter of our 2024 fiscal year. I'll briefly cover the non GAAP and forward looking language before passing the call over to our CEO, John Adent, who will be followed by our CFO, Dave Namura. Before the market opened today, we published our 4th quarter results as well as a presentation with both documents available in the Investor Relations section of our website. On our call this morning, we will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures that we believe are useful in evaluating our performance. Reconciliations of historical non GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release and the presentation, Slide 2 of which provides a reminder that our remarks will include forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Speaker 100:01:26These forward looking statements are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different from those expressed in or implied by such forward looking statements. These risks include, among others, matters that we have described in our most recent annual report on Form 10 ks and in other filings we make with the SEC. We disclaim any obligation to update these forward looking statements. With that, I'll turn things over to John. Speaker 200:01:59Thanks, Bill. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the earnings call for the Q4 of our 2024 fiscal year. After crossing multiple significant integration milestones in the Q3, progress continued on multiple fronts in the 4th quarter. We finished relocating the former 3 ms sample handling product lines in our facility in Lexington, Kentucky and are now in the process of ramping up to full production levels, which we expect to be at the end of next month. We also saw improvement throughout the Q4 in our shipping performance and this progress has allowed our commercial teams to return their focus to what they do best, demand generation. Speaker 200:02:40Food production volumes remained mostly down on a year over year basis, as customers continue to be under pressure, but the end market environment was stable in the Q4. With the belief that food inflation in particular will continue to ease, food production volumes are generally expected to slowly improve over the course of our 2025 fiscal year. Along with the improving end market backdrop, our commercial teams are leveraging the broadest product portfolio in the industry and our reputation for consultative customer service to drive demand. Now for our results for the quarter. Total food safety core revenue grew in the mid single digit range, following solid growth in the Q4 of fiscal 2023. Speaker 200:03:25In animal safety, channel inventory levels and end user demand for our product categories remain roughly stable compared to the prior quarter. Our lower quarterly sales in this segment are due primarily to our genomics business in the U. S. And were otherwise flat on a core basis. In our genomics business globally, core revenue was still down on a year over year basis. Speaker 200:03:49In the Q1, we began to round trip most of the impact of the strategic shift towards larger production animals, which has primarily impacted the U. S. Business. We are focusing our efforts on driving growth in the direct to producer beef and dairy business, as well as managing through a mostly flat companion animal market by expanding our direct to the consumer genetic testing offerings. With respect to product technology, we've seen notable developments recently related to 2 of our priority growth areas, pathogen detection and petri foam. Speaker 200:04:25In early June, the USDA's Food Safety Inspection Service named the Neogen Molecular Detection System or MDS as its primary screening method for salmonella and Listeria in meat, eggs and poultry. Salmonella and Listeria represent the majority of pathogen testing in these food categories and this selection by the USDA further validates the effectiveness, reliability and ease of use of our MDS testing platform. We believe we have a significant opportunity for growth in pathogen detection and plan to leverage the core capabilities of the MDS platform as a key part of our product development initiatives in this area. The USD announcement was followed in late June by the launch for our Petri Film automated reader, which automates the loading of Petrifilm plates. The automated reader is specifically designed for high volume labs and allows users to automatically feed and enumerate up to 300 petrofoam plates, while integrating with existing lab workflows and systems. Speaker 200:05:29This level of automation removes the need for lab technicians to manually load individual plates into the reader, reducing labor and providing more capacity for data analysis. We expect the growth of this product to take some time to ramp up, but it allows us to more effectively target the market opportunity for high volume testing environments. Those labs typically running over 100,000 such tests annually. We believe petrofilm is a clear market leader in indicated testing and are planning continued investment to maintain its market leadership and unlock additional opportunities. On our last earnings call, we've committed to resolve the distribution inefficiencies stemming from our SAP and our new warehouse management system by the end of the Q1. Speaker 200:06:14Although the Q4 was impacted by these issues, they have now effectively been resolved in our commercial efforts are squarely focused on winning back the sales that were impacted. With respect to the integration, there's still work ahead of us, but the vast majority involves the completion and outfitting of our new future film production facility, which we do not expect will affect the rest of our operations. Now I'll turn the call over to Dave for some more insights into our results for the quarter. Speaker 300:06:43Thank you, John, and welcome to everyone on the call today. Jumping into the results, our 4th quarter revenues were $237,000,000 Core revenue, which excludes the impact of foreign currency, acquisitions and discontinued product lines, grew 2% for the quarter, while foreign currency was a headwind of 4 20 basis points compared to the prior year. Although we made significant progress during the quarter, our total revenue was impacted by our lower order fulfillment rates. Moving to the segment level. Revenues in our Food Safety segment were $167,000,000 in the quarter, a decrease of 1% compared to the prior year, including core growth of over 4%. Speaker 300:07:27The core growth was led by the indicator testing, culture media and other product category, which benefited from double digit growth in our petrofilm product line as well as solid growth in culture media and food quality nutritional analysis. The bacterial and general sanitation product categories saw growth in pathogens and general sanitation, partially offset by decline in microbiology due primarily to a higher level of equipment sales in the prior year period. Within the natural toxins and allergens category, modest growth in allergens was offset by a decline in natural toxins due mainly to reduced product availability. Quarterly revenues in the Animal Safety segment were $70,000,000 which includes a core revenue decline of 3% compared to the prior year quarter. Overall, inventory levels in the channel remained largely stable with our decline in core revenue being driven by a couple of specific product category dynamics. Speaker 300:08:27The Vet Instruments and Disposables product line had another quarter of solid core growth. In the Animal Care and Other Product category, core growth was led by higher sales of our vitamin injectables and biologics products. Within our portfolio of biosecurity products, strong growth in insect control was offset by declines in cleaners and disinfectants and rodent control due primarily to a compare challenge on strong growth in the prior year quarter and timing of current year shipments. Worldwide genomics revenue was down mid single digits on a core basis. Solid growth in beef markets in EMEA and Latin America was offset by the shift away from small production animals in the U. Speaker 300:09:10S, the impact of which we expect to decrease as we exit the Q1. From a regional perspective, core revenue growth in the 4th quarter was mixed. Growth was led by Latin America, which saw growth well into the double digits with a strong performance across most key product categories. The growth was driven by progress on back order fulfillment, some level of distributor restocking and additional business at key food producers. Our business in Europe grew low single digits on a core basis with strength in culture media, petri film, general sanitation and sample handling, partially offset by a decline in Biosecurity Products. Speaker 300:09:53Asia Pacific core revenue grew mid single digits on a year over year basis with strong growth in petri film and general sanitation offset by declines in pathogen and sample handling. Our U. S. And Canada regions saw the largest impact in the quarter from the shipment delays in our main distribution center with core revenue down in the mid single digit range. Despite the impact, Petrifilm did see a modest level of growth, which was offset by declines in most other food safety product categories. Speaker 300:10:22In the animal safety segment, performance was mixed with vet instruments and animal care offset by declines in biosecurity and genomics. Gross margin in the quarter was 47.9%, representing a decrease of 300 basis points from 50.9% in the same quarter a year ago. Adjusting for transaction and integration related costs, the gross margin decline in Q4 was about 2 10 basis points. The decline was driven primarily by costs related to stabilization of our distribution and logistics operations and a higher than usual level of inventory adjustments. Adjusted EBITDA was $53,000,000 in the 4th quarter, representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of 22.4%, a year over year decline of 3 70 basis points. Speaker 300:11:13The decline in adjusted EBITDA margin resulted primarily from the decline in gross margin with some additional negative impact of transaction FX. Overall, the adjusted EBITDA margin came in below what we believe is our underlying run rate, this level of revenue by approximately 100 basis points as a result of some higher charges in the quarter that should not recur. 4th quarter adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share were $22,000,000 and $0.10 respectively, compared to $30,000,000 and $0.14 in the prior year quarter. The declines in the current year Q4 were driven primarily by the lower adjusted EBITDA. We ended the quarter with gross debt of 900,000,000 dollars 67% of which remains at a fixed rate and a total cash position of $171,000,000 Compared to the Q3, cash was roughly flat with outflows for capital expenditures offset by operating cash inflows. Speaker 300:12:12Moving to our outlook for the fiscal year 2025. Speaker 200:12:16We Speaker 300:12:16are expecting core revenue growth in the mid single digit range on the back of an end market environment we expect to slowly improve as the year progresses, with total revenue anticipated between $925,000,000 $955,000,000 We expect the first half of fiscal twenty twenty five to be a little wider than its usual seasonality of around 48% as we continue our focus on winning back sales following the shipment constraints we experienced in the second half of fiscal twenty twenty four. Adjusted EBITDA for the full year is expected to be between $215,000,000 $235,000,000 reflecting margin expansion of approximately 100 basis points and an incremental margin of over 70% at the midpoints. We expect this margin expansion to be driven by improvements in gross margin and operating expense efficiency and aligned with revenue growth throughout the year. With respect to capital expenditures, we are anticipating a sizable decrease as we move past the peak integration spend of fiscal 2024. For fiscal 2025, we expect capital expenditures of approximately 85,000,000 with approximately $55,000,000 specifically related to integration items. Speaker 300:13:32We believe higher adjusted EBITDA combined with lower CapEx and the 3 ms working capital loaded not repeating will result in free cash flow being well into positive territory. I'll now hand the call back to John for some closing thoughts. Thanks, Dave. The last couple of quarters have seen Speaker 200:13:52a tremendous amount of integration progress as we extricated ourselves from the services previously provided by our transition partner. This progress came with the inefficiencies distribution center that we discussed and have now resolved. Fiscal 2024 represented the peak of cash outflows for the integration in terms of both capital expenditures and working capital investment. Outside of the new facility we're building, the 3 ms food safety operations have now been combined with Neogen and we're able to shift a significant portion of our operational focus towards driving improvements in these combined operations. Commercially, we're excited to see a continued trend of improvement in our end markets and look forward to operating in a much more normal environment in which we're able to bring the combined power of 1 Neogen to demand generation on an unconstrained basis. Speaker 200:14:47As demonstrated by some of our recent product launches, innovation remains a top priority. We are continuing to invest behind our key technology platforms where we believe we have a meaningful opportunity to drive growth, particularly in regions where we are underrepresented today. Simultaneously, we're exploring a number of new technologies that can improve the quality and ease of food safety testing and strengthen our leadership position in the industry. While we have a significant amount of work that's behind us, we understand and are committed to executing on the opportunities ahead of us to continue to position the business for long term growth. Speaking of work, all of the progress we've made would not have been possible without the dedication sacrifices made by our team members around the world. Speaker 200:15:36I'm proud of what they've achieved to date. I want to thank them all again for their continued efforts. Now, I'll turn things over to the operator to begin the Q and A. Operator00:15:47Thank you. Your first question comes from David Westenberg with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:16:16Thank you for taking the question and congrats on a good end of the year, right, big beat numbers. All right. And guidance in line. So, let's go with the Petri Film. I'm going to ask just a bunch on Petri Film all in kind of one question because I think that is a pretty important business. Speaker 400:16:36So as we look at the retrospective on Petri Film, can you give us some sort of rate of customers that you've won back, customers that are still ready to come back? And then can you talk about how that new automated Petri film reader can maybe drive business to that to petri film? And of course, you talked about the high volume customers. Can you give us a distribution of what percent of your customers are high volume customer versus low volume customer? Just would love to figure out how much of your customers would actually be able to convert to that system. Speaker 400:17:18So that was a lot. Apologies. Speaker 200:17:21That's all right. I got it. If I missed something, So, yes, regarding petrofoam, I mean, I think you saw we had a nice quarter in the Q4. We saw petrofoam in the grew double digits in the low teens. We thought that was a nice growth for us. Speaker 200:17:40I think you saw what we did in Japan where we lost customers. Were able to claw that back and Japan actually had growth for the year. We see that kind of continuing. It's a great opportunity for us. The end markets are still a little soft. Speaker 200:17:57I mean, we still see that they're at low single digit decline. So that's a little bit challenging for us in the Food Production segment. And we think that's going to continue with it gradually improving in our next fiscal year, kind of on the back half is where we think we're going to see some change there. Regarding the reader, yes, I mean, look, we're excited to have that because today you manually feed that in and now we can do 300 plus stacked to have it read in. It's really focusing, David, on the food safety high throughput labs. Speaker 200:18:36And when we talk about our market share at 20%, a portion of those of the remaining 80 is in those high throughput labs, right? And then that's really where we're going to target that growth. It's going to be an opportunity for us though longer term to approach non food producing labs in an ancillary market with that same type of equipment. Now that's going to take us a little bit longer, because we're developing products today that we're going to use to address those markets. But we can't really produce those until we have manufacturing in our house because we can't expand the SKU line coming out of 3M. Speaker 200:19:16So we're excited about having the reader. We think it's going to be an opportunity to really address those high throughput food producing labs that we currently work with. These are labs that do over 100,000 tests. Those are the ones that we're really targeting with that. And then it's going to open a broader opportunity for new Speaker 400:19:40that's that's helpful. Just maybe, if I can dive in a little bit. So it does sound like those high volume customers may do represent a pretty high percentage of the revenue in Petrie Film. Did I catch that right? And anyway, Speaker 200:19:57it's a lower number David, it's a lower number of customers, but they do more volume. So I don't I wouldn't say it's of that remaining 80%, I wouldn't say it's the higher piece. I'd say it's less than half, but it's more targeted because they do a lot of volume, but it's a handful of customers. Speaker 400:20:15Got it. No. Perfect. And then, you have another analyst on there, so I'll just keep it to 2. So can you talk this one's for Dave. Speaker 400:20:25I want to you talked about the gross margins. You cited the distribution and inventory. I think you said more than 200 basis points of headwind there. That does sound like it would be pretty temporary. So as we're doing our model into next year, should we think about that rolling off pretty quickly? Speaker 400:20:43Or should we have that as a couple quarter drag? And just as we think about modeling, if you can cite any other year over years to compare to think about as we're modeling out our 2025 fiscal year? And I'll stop there. Thank you. Speaker 300:21:00Yes. Thanks, David. I think the 4th quarter gross margin fundamentally came in lighter than where we think the business is running. It's a function of some higher inventory write down, which again we working on stabilizing our distribution logistics footprint. And ultimately, as we've worked through that over a what's amounted to a 2.5 quarter period, it's resulted in some higher level of inventory write down as well as some continued inefficiency. Speaker 300:21:31So I think if you step back from the quarter, net net, probably a couple of 100 basis points of inefficiency on the gross margin side, a little lower OpEx than I think representative of the run rate. So I think at the EBITDA margin line, probably around 100 basis points light. I think we see the gross margin, some of those efficiencies come back over time. I think hopefully second half, we see some of that recovery. As you know, gross margin is also reasonably volume dependent given our higher incrementals. Speaker 300:22:10So I think you'll see improvement ratably at both the gross margin line accruing down to the EBITDA margin line as 2025 progresses? Thank you for the question. Speaker 400:22:23Thanks guys and congrats on ending the year well. Speaker 500:22:28Thanks David. Speaker 400:22:29Fiscal year well. Operator00:22:32Your next question comes from Brandon Vazquez with William Blair. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:22:39Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe on a high level, first, can we just start? John, can you just talk about as you look at the organization now, most of the integration of the business is done here. What are the opportunities and then even the risks as you look at the call it the next 1 to 2 years from a commercial perspective? Speaker 500:22:56And then maybe, Dave, can you also frame from the P and L side, same kind of discussion of like what are the remaining risks and opportunities here in the next 1 to 2 years? Speaker 200:23:10Yes. Thanks, Brandon. Look, the growth opportunities in the next 1 to 2 years are now that we have substantially everything except petrofilm on house is to take the OneNeogen portfolio to our customers and drive share growth, right, and doing that across multiple regions. As we've talked about in the past, we feel that we're still underpenetrated in Asia, we're underpenetrated in Europe, we're underpenetrated in LatAm, heck, we're underpenetrated in the U. S. Speaker 200:23:38So we still have a 20% share opportunities to continue to grow, right, in these core markets. So that's number 1. Secondarily, you see what we're doing with MDS. You saw that in MDS, we had an opportunity, where we saw that the USDA chose our molecular detection system as the choice for salmonella testing and listeria testing in poultry, eggs and meat. I don't know if you saw yesterday, they also said that now they're going to start requiring salmonella testing in all poultry products. Speaker 200:24:13So when we were asked, what does that do? Well, just to get the USDA contract really isn't that big of a revenue deal. But now as they continue to move testing farther and push it along that we are the testing of choice really helps us as they continue to drive this throughout the industry. So big opportunities to continue in new product development like we saw with our MDS and pathogen testing. As we talked about with David, the reader is going to open up the opportunity in the high throughput labs, first starting with the food high throughput labs, but that opportunity really past 2 years to look at commercial labs in general that are using petrofoam. Speaker 200:24:57I was talking to the group, but I don't ask for a lot. The only thing I'm asking for is everybody that uses petro dishes in the world should be using petrofoam. Film. That's not a lot to ask for. So I think that's something that we're going to aspire to as a group. Speaker 200:25:12I think if you think about the risk side, our biggest risk is still bringing in the new Petri film manufacturing in the Lansing. Now the team was in Taiwan. The equipment's up. It's running. We performance tested it in Taiwan. Speaker 200:25:27We were very pleased with the results. So we've approved signed off. So we're breaking down the equipment and it's going to be sent over to the U. S. So we're right on track to where we need to be kind of on that progress. Speaker 200:25:40But to me, that's the number one. And then secondarily, I'd just like to I'd like to see our customers get back to some growth. The unprecedented inflation that we've had has really had an impact on the market that I haven't seen in 7 years here. And you still see it. I mean, I don't know if you saw McDonald's comments, but when you've got people revolting that fast food prices are too high, it's tough. Speaker 200:26:07It's tough out there. So I'd like to see some of that ease. We think that could help a little bit in the second half, which is and Dave will kind of take you through kind of the quarters, but we think second half is going to be stronger for us as that eases a little bit. But I'd like to see the markets improve a little bit. And as we talked about, we're kind of going to be in the trough for animal safety. Speaker 200:26:31The good news is it's a smaller part of our business, but that business is not going to be growing as fast as next fiscal year because of the kind of the economics right now in the Production Animal segment. Speaker 300:26:43Hey, Brandon, just to follow-up on the second part of your question. I'd say maybe in the near term and then the longer term. I'd say in the near term, we need a year where we're not faced with a sizable integration challenge. In 2023, we have supply side constraint from 3 ms. And then of course in 2024, we did the shipping logistics order to cash integration, which resulted in constraint on our capacity to ship. Speaker 300:27:08And some of that impact now flow through particularly into the first half of fiscal twenty twenty five. So you know from being around here that we typically see the first half is a little lighter than the second half. I think historically in the kind of $48,000,000 $52,000,000 type range, I think what we'll see in $25,000,000 again in the near term is a little lighter first half and then a little better second half with better growth rates in the second half on what amounts to an easier compare. We've got some share to recapture Speaker 100:27:40as a result of some Speaker 300:27:40of the shipping constraints. We'll see that mostly impact Q1, which historically is always our lowest quarter from both a revenue and an EBITDA margin perspective. So it will put pressure earlier in the year. But as we work through that like we did following the supply constraint of Petri Film in 2023, we should see that recover. I think in the intermediate to longer term, we've talked about the integration thesis remaining intact. Speaker 300:28:12And I think it really does. We've always talked about the P and L performance here. Yes, there's always this or that, this put or that take, but at the end of the day, this is going to P and L performance will come down to volume. So getting back to unconstrained growth, being able to tackle the markets as John elaborated on is what really unlocks the opportunity for the P and L. I'll stop there. Speaker 500:28:40Okay. Thanks, Dave. And maybe to follow-up on what you were talking about at the end there. If I look at guidance for the year at the midpoint, let's call it a $75,000,000 delta towards EBITDA to get to that $300,000,000 form a goal you guys previously put out there without kind of going into timing of getting there. I think you guys want to take things a year at a time, which I understand. Speaker 500:29:03But talk about what the bridge is? How do you get that incremental $75,000,000 in EBITDA? What are the drivers that get you from like a fiscal 2025 EBITDA number up to eventually in an undisclosed timeframe, dollars 300,000,000 EBITDA number? Speaker 300:29:20Yes. I appreciate that. I think the levers are first, obviously growth. We've stated that the $300,000,000 EBITDA number is associated with over $1,000,000,000 in revenue and We need to move into that territory to do that. I also think as we move through years of significant integration activities that we're able to also drive better fall through and efficiency as we continue to work the P and L. Speaker 300:29:50It was a noisy year, but underlying that is a lot of operational improvements throughout the organization and bringing some new perspectives to the teams that I think are going to accrue benefits over time. So it's really the combination of those two factors and the strong incrementals that the company can do on that growth, including the 3 ms products, which have shown in particular Petri film to have very, very strong fall through. So market timing aside, integration activities aside, we still think that's in play. To your point, we're only guiding 1 year at a time. But we believe that the post integration thesis, financial thesis remains intact. Speaker 300:30:36It's just a function of time and that's a function of and that will drive the growth. Speaker 500:30:41Okay. And maybe one last one for me, Dave again. Can you talk a little bit about what is baked into the high and the low end of the revenue and EBITDA guidance ranges? Thanks guys. Speaker 300:30:55Sure. First of all, look, we talked, John said in his remarks, I elaborated on it a little bit. We constrained supply to our customers for the better part of 2.5 quarters and there's implications for that. And I think we'll see that in the first half of the year. The shape at which we recover that is meaningful to the shape of the year. Speaker 300:31:16So I would say we've contemplated at least a couple of points impact from that in the midpoint of the guide. But obviously, that's a tough number to estimate even with the data that we have. So that fundamentally could be better or worse. As we look at our customers, their production levels, we think we're in a reasonably soft spot in the food safety end market kind of through the cycle, it's not flat and we think right now we're in a more difficult part of the cycle. We're planning on reasonably slow recovery. Speaker 300:31:53But that again could be better or worse. And we're also assuming that we remain in the lower part of the little more cyclical animal safety market. So there's market implications. I think there's share and share recapture implications here. And I think those would be the big influencers plus or minus the midpoint, Brandon. Operator00:32:30There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to John Addon for closing remarks. Speaker 200:32:38Great. Well, thanks everyone. Appreciate you joining us today and we look forward to updating you again on our Q1 call in October. So have a good summer. Thank you. Operator00:32:49Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by