UMB Financial Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 31, 2024

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning. Thank you for attending today's UMB Financial Second Quarter 2024 Financial Results Call. My name is Jennifer, and I'll be your moderator today. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. I'd now like to turn the call over to Kay Gregory, UMB Investor Relations.

Operator

Kay, please proceed.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to our Q2 2024 call. Mariner Kemper, President and CEO and Ram Shankar, CFO, will share a few comments about our results. Then we'll open up the call for questions. Jim Rine, CEO of UMB Bank and Tom Terry, Chief Credit Officer will be available for the question and answer session. Before we begin, let me remind you that today's presentation contains forward looking statements, including the discussion of future financial and operating results, benefits, synergies, gains and costs that the company expects to realize from the pending acquisition as well as other opportunities management proceeds.

Speaker 1

Forward looking statements and any pro form a metrics are subject to assumptions, risks and uncertainties as outlined in our SEC filings and summarized on Slide 48 to 51 of our presentation. Actual results may differ from those set forth in forward looking statements, which speak only as of today. We undertake no obligation to update them except to the extent required by securities laws. Presentations and materials are available online at investorrelations.umb.com and include reconciliations of non GAAP financial measures. Now, I'll turn the call over to Mariner Kemper.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Kaye, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us as we discuss our great second quarter results announced yesterday afternoon. Our strong Q1 performance continued into the 2nd quarter with net interest income growth driven by growing balance sheet and net interest margin expansion along with solid credit metrics. We reported GAAP earnings of $101,300,000 or $2.07 per share driven by continued momentum across our various lines of business. On an operating basis, we earned $105,900,000 or $2.16 per share.

Speaker 2

Balance sheet growth included a 7.7 percent linked quarter annualized increase in average loan balances led by commercial real estate and construction drops on previously approved lines. Additionally, average card balances increased 26.1% assisted by the full quarter impact of our co brand card portfolio we acquired in March. Top line loan production was $926,000,000 for the quarter. Payoffs and paydowns, which are difficult to predict, were 3.7% of balances. This is a slight increase from prior quarter, but in line with our historic averages.

Speaker 2

Credit quality in our loan portfolio remains excellent. Net charge offs were again just 5 basis points of average loans for the quarter and non performing loans fell to a meager 6 basis points of total loans. Over the past 8 quarters, our non performing ratio has averaged 8 basis points compared to 39 basis points for our peer group and 35 basis points for the industry as a whole. Credit cards drove the small amount of charge offs we saw in the quarter, while we had a net recovery in both C and I and specialty lending. In fact, C and I has posted net recoveries in 4 of the last 5 quarters.

Speaker 2

Asset quality has been very strong in our investment real estate portfolio. Since 2016, we charged up less than $1,000,000 cumulatively, which can be attributed to just 3 loans. Provision of $14,100,000 reflect the continued loan growth along with the impact of a recalibration of our models. Our coverage ratio increased 3 basis points to 0.99 percent of total loans. Average total deposits grew $815,000,000 or 9.7 percent on a linked quarter annualized basis, including the intentional reduction of brokered CD balances and the expected seasonal decline in public funds.

Speaker 2

For comparison, peers have reported a median annualized increase of just 4.5% for the 2nd quarter. Deposit growth in the quarter highlights funding profile with growth coming from nearly all lines of business. On the consumer front, we've had good success from private banking and retail money market promotions with targeted marketing investments made in the first half of the year. Excluding brokered CDs, average client deposits increased approximately $1,300,000,000 from the last quarter. In fact, since the turmoil of last spring, our deposits excluding brokered CDs have increased by $4,200,000,000 or 14% over the Q2 of 2023.

Speaker 2

Ram will share a more detailed look at these and other quarterly drivers shortly. Finally, we remain excited about our pending acquisition of Heartland Financial and have shared a few updates in the deck. While it's early in the process, we've outlined milestones and progress in the integration planning. Our focus is to ensure a seamless transition without disrupting business as usual activities. The establishment of an integration team allows our customer facing associates to remain focused on serving the customer and generating growth.

Speaker 2

Again, we believe this transaction will accelerate UNV's growth strategy, further diversifying and de risking our business model. The addition of this high quality franchise is a great fit from a strategic, financial and cultural perspective. And we look forward to capitalizing on the many opportunities we see as a combined company in 2025 and beyond. Now I'll turn it over to Ram.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Mirna. Net interest income of $245,100,000 represented an increase of $5,700,000 or 2.4 percent, reflecting continued loan growth and higher levels of liquidity. Net interest margin increased 3 basis points on a linked quarter basis to 2.51 percent, outpacing the expectations I shared previously in large part due to stronger than expected DDA balances. The increase was driven by the positive impact of 7 basis points from loan repricing and mix, 2 basis points from the securities portfolio, 1 basis points from the level of 3 funds and 2 basis points related to various smaller items. These were partially offset by a 9 basis point reduction from higher deposit pricing driven by mix changes.

Speaker 3

Cycle today betas on total deposits and our loan yields are 53% and 63% respectively and continue to track closely to our expectations for terminal betas. Looking into the 3rd quarter, with the prospect of a Fed rate cut in September, we would expect our net interest margin to be relatively stable to 2nd quarter levels. Approximately 31% of our total deposits are hard indexed to short term interest rates. As the Fed funds rate changes, these deposits reprice down immediately. An additional 17% of our total deposits are what we call soft index or balances negotiated at current prevailing market rates.

Speaker 3

On these soft index deposits, we would expect to move deposit rates down pretty quickly following any rate cuts. Overall, we expect our deposit betas on the way down to be immediate and steeper than peer banks similar to our experience during this past tightening cycle. Coupled with favorable reinvestment of cash flows from the securities book and repricing of some loans at accretive yields, our interest rate simulation results shown on Page 33 of our deck shows us as benefiting from interest rate cuts in year 1 with fairly neutral implications for year 2. As a reminder, this analysis does not include any interest income generated from new growth or the Heartland acquisition. At this preliminary stage, we estimate that our pro form a interest rate position will remain relatively neutral.

Speaker 3

Details and activity in our securities portfolio are shown on Slide 3031 in our deck. The combined AFS and HCM portfolios averaged $12,200,000,000 during the quarter, a decrease of 2.3%. We continue to purchase mortgage backed securities and agencies, while as noted, security levels fluctuate based on our collateral needs for both public funds and trust deposits. The average purchase yield in our portfolio was 4.99 percent for the quarter, while securities rolling off had a yield of 2.67%. We expect $1,400,000,000 of securities with a yield of 2.54% to roll off over the next 12 months.

Speaker 3

Capital levels continued to build with our common equity Tier 1 capital increasing to 11.14% and continued growth in tangible book value, which increased by $1.57 from March 31 to $60.58 Tangible book value per share has grown 15.3% over the past year. As previously described in our forward purchase agreement, our regulatory capital ratios do not include the $230,000,000 forward equity offering agreement that we announced in April. Turning back to the income statement, non interest income was $144,900,000 dollars a linked quarter reduction of 9%, largely due to a few non recurring items in the prior quarter. These first quarter benefits included $8,600,000 in net gains on equity position, a $4,000,000 legal settlement and a $1,800,000 in gains on the sale of land. Momentum in our fee business has continued with fund services assets under administration growing to $460,000,000,000 an increase of 20% from June 30, 2023.

Speaker 3

In Private Wealth, our teams have brought in 781,000,000 dollars in net new assets year to date ahead of full year 2023 levels. And credit and debit card spending, including from our newly acquired retail portfolio reached $4,700,000,000 in the 2nd quarter, up from $4,000,000,000 a year ago. Non interest expense of $249,100,000 for the quarter included pre tax acquisition expenses of $9,600,000 and a reduction of $3,800,000 in previously accrued FDIC special assessment charges. On an operating basis, non interest expense increased $2,000,000 linked quarter and included higher processing fees related to higher software subscription costs and various software projects along with increased bank card expense. Within salaries and benefits expense, typical seasonal reductions in FICA and 401 costs along with the decrease in deferred compensation expense was partially offset by increased bonus and salary expense related to the timing of merit increases and higher bonus accruals for 2024 year to date performance.

Speaker 3

Excluding the one time items and seasonal variances, our core expense run rate in the Q2 was approximately 240,000,000 dollars Finally, our effective tax rate was 20.1% for the quarter compared to 18.1% in the Q2 of 2023. The year over year increase was primarily related to lower income on tax exempt securities and a decrease in tax benefits from stock compensation. For the full year 2024, we would expect the tax rate between 17% 19%. Now I'll turn it over to the operator for the Q and A portion of the call.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer Our first question comes from the line of Jared Shaw with Barclays. Jared, your line is now open.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning.

Speaker 5

Good morning, Jared. Good morning.

Speaker 4

Morning. So maybe just to start on the pending acquisition and any potential restructuring or changes we should expect heading into closing? I'm sort of thinking around level of brokered deposits given your good loan to deposit ratio, any securities restructurings that you anticipate either UMBF or Heartland doing. Just as we go into closing any change that we should be thinking about?

Speaker 2

I'll let Ram take that. I mean, obviously, we can't give you much in the way of guidance there, but Ram can give some color.

Speaker 5

Yes. I'll point out to what we did in the most recent quarter on brokered CDs and club advances on one of our pages in our investor deck. We have the rolling maturities on Page 34 of remaining clubs brokered and the BTSC program. So other than carefully evaluating them when they come up for renewal, our immediate bias based on our loan to deposit ratio and our liquidity levels has probably led them runoff. So that's on our side.

Speaker 5

We don't expect any asset side restructuring on the investment portfolio on our book. So no specific guidance on what Heartland might do. But for us, other than paying down those excess liquidity that we have, there's nothing that we're contemplating, Jared.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then as we look at that potential runoff there, should we just assume that what the cash drift slower that securities maybe you just use the cash flow from that to reduce?

Speaker 5

Yes, generally, we expect the portfolio the bond portfolio to be relatively stable. But yes, the excess cash might come down just because again given our loan to deposit ratio in the mid-60s, we could let it let these deposits go. And obviously, as you see on Page 34, these are some of our higher cost deposits or borrowings as well.

Speaker 4

Yes, yes. Okay. And then on the DDAs, I know obviously each quarter you have some flex or some fluctuations with end of period balances. Any color you can give on sort of trajectory or expectation on DDA, whether it's end of period or average as we go through the rest of the year?

Speaker 2

It's probably not much different than the comments we've made in the past, which is that we feel like we're at the bottom of the rotation cycle. We can't predict that really more than give you a backward looking feelings. And at the end of the day, the way that we come up with feeling that we're close to the bottom of that rotation is the fact that it's pretty clear that rates aren't going up from here. So and we feel like with our book, most of the rotation took place and took place early in the cycle as we talked about from the beginning of the cycle that we would go through it first. So on a relative basis against our peers, we believe we're probably through with most of that rotation as long as rates look to be going where we all believe them to be going.

Speaker 5

And I would ignore the end of period of BDA balances like I saw always say, right? There's a lot of volatility at quarter end, month end, depending on client and their client activity. So I would not index yourself too much to end of period balances.

Speaker 2

So it does help us make more money, right? I mean, it's mushroom end of the quarter. We make money on that as it happens typically at the end of almost every month, it seems. Okay.

Speaker 4

But so you think we could be at a point where we start seeing growth in average or continue to see growth from this quarter in average DDAs?

Speaker 2

I mean, we that's it's hard to predict. I would say that that's just hard to predict whether it's going to grow or not. That's based on sales activities and our ability to bring in new business, which we don't forecast publicly.

Operator

Okay. All

Speaker 4

right. Thanks. And then just finally for me on asset quality. Asset quality is great. I was wondering what happened within criticizing classified in the quarter.

Speaker 4

And then you referenced the model change for CECL. Is that just using a different sort of Moody's baseline or, what I guess what drove the model change there?

Speaker 2

So Tom will take the first question. We'll turn the second part of that over to Ram.

Speaker 6

Yes. Our criticized and classified loans are basically flat quarter over quarter. You always have a little bit of movement between our low pass watch, which actually was down, and that's a pass part of our watch list. But the criticized is flat.

Speaker 5

Yes. On the second question about CECL, we did not change our baseline assumptions. We're still 100% indexed to Moody's baseline. From time to time, we look at our CECL models for performance, for effectiveness and change and swap out macroeconomic variables, drivers, correlations. So as part of that, we tweaked a couple of our models just to get a higher provision, get to a 99 basis points coverage ratio.

Speaker 2

I mean, all in all, on that front, we just take a conservative approach. We feel like it's the right kind of organization we are and we believe in a conservative strong healthy reserve.

Speaker 5

And the important part of both of your questions, underlying questions is the provision, excess provision was not because of underlying portfolio trends. It was all quantitatively driven based on changes to CECL models that we

Speaker 2

have and loan growth. And I would just say just to echo what Tom said related to those things, our books really never looked better. We talked about criticized being flat, it's also meager, 6 basis points. I mean, it hardly exists. And then the charge offs are what they are.

Speaker 2

We're we feel very good about how we manage company. It's the same team doing the same thing for a long time. We take it very seriously and we're real proud of it.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks for all that color.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Jared.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chris McGratty with KBW. Chris, your line is now open.

Speaker 7

Good morning. Rob, maybe coming back to the margin for a second, you guys are 2.5%, Heartland's margin looks roughly as of last quarter about 100 basis points higher. With the bond restructuring from them and the accretion, I mean, you should be I'm trying to get a sense of like pro form a margins. So any comment there would be helpful given you've talked about relative neutrality on the NIM.

Speaker 3

Yes. That's a tough question for

Speaker 5

me to answer just sitting here. I mean, as you know, right, it really depends on what the portfolio marks on acquisition date whenever that is happens, right? So there's going to be a lot of noise related to how that accretes into income. So I mean you can do a simple math based on taking there, whatever, 3.73% margin and our 2.52% margin on our earning assets and get to a number, but there's going to be a lot more noise because of purchase accounting adjustments. So it's really hard for us to sit here.

Speaker 5

Obviously, they're still running their book and it really depends on what happens to deposit betas and how we manage it after close. So I feel like it's too early to kind of give you a pro form a look at margin other than the comments that I said that relatively we should be neutral from an interest rate position on a pro form a basis.

Speaker 2

I mean longer term, it's one of the reasons we're doing the transaction, right? I mean they do have a better margin tied to having a smaller business book of loans, which carries higher yield. They have a more granular deposit base. So it's a combination of the way they run their business longer term taking the accounting noise of the marks and all that is part of the reason we're doing the transaction. So longer term, we expect that.

Speaker 8

Okay. In

Speaker 7

terms of just broader efficiency, I mean the objective and you've accomplished it over the years is operating leverage. If I think about the bank, you've been running kind of low 60s. It would feel given that momentum mid-50s would seem once you get everything accreted and integrated that would be reasonable. But during anything we're missing in terms of investments now that you're through in Glasscor, you talked about the investments you're making through to go through 50, but any other guidance as we look out over the next couple of years?

Speaker 2

I mean, I think we remain I probably not going to give you what you're looking for here, but where we remain as focused on being efficient as we have been, there's always more work to do. I think the combination of our two companies will make us that much stronger. I would say again, just overall, it is more operating leverage than efficiency. So I think the room for us, the opportunity for us is to focus more on revenue than it is expense reduction. We've done a lot of that efficiency work to make our systems modernized.

Speaker 2

We've said in comments before that we've pushed a big bowling ball through at the front end of the pandemic. We pushed a big bowling ball through the Python, right, to get our systems up and ready and modernized. And we are more focused today on spend that's focused on customer experience. So more than 50% of our spend is focused there. So that should benefit both revenue and retention of client and all of that.

Speaker 2

But in general, I would say, I think our opportunity is on the revenue front and we're good at that. And I think the exciting thing about the Heartland transaction is we'll be able to take their great small business platform and layer our institutional and our C and I on top of their branch network and their footprint. And as you're aware in the way we modeled all that, there are no representative synergies in what we've produced publicly. So that's all upside and gravy and yet to be seen. So we're very excited about that.

Speaker 2

And again, I just re echo that if you're thinking about operating leverage, our opportunity is more on the revenue side than it's expense. Great.

Speaker 7

And then if I could just one more Ram on the deposit cost quarter on quarter change. Any particular I heard your prepared remarks about the index deposits, but any particular product that drove the increase? I know there's been some questions from some of the larger banks about sweep deposits, but any impact from that or any one category you'd call out on the driving the cost?

Speaker 5

Yes. No, the increase in cost on a quarter over quarter basis is the pipeline of institutional deposits that we've talked about for the last couple of quarters. So the timing of those came coming on board was the driver of the deposit cost. And I'll let Jim answer on the sweep side. Yes.

Speaker 5

Well, on

Speaker 6

the sweep side, as Cindy was referring on the healthcare portion, for us, we don't anticipate that being an issue. We're not a fiduciary. As you know, those deposit transaction accounts for healthcare related expenses, we don't anticipate that being anything material for us going forward.

Speaker 7

Perfect. Thank you.

Speaker 5

And it wasn't described in the Q2 either. So no future impact, no current impact.

Speaker 7

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Nathan Race with Piper Sandler. Nathan, your line is now open.

Speaker 8

Yes. Hi, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Nathan.

Speaker 8

Hey. I was curious just to get an update in terms of what you're seeing across the loan pipeline, and just kind of overall loan growth expectations over the next couple of quarters. I'm just curious based on the pipeline mix, do you expect that to be largely driven by commercial real estate as we saw here in 2Q?

Speaker 2

I'll take that. Thanks. If you look back where the comments we made in the Q1 are the same we would make in the Q2 as to where that CRE balances were coming from, largely they were from existing commitments that are being drawn on. We do continue to book business in CRE, Multifamily and Industrial. So there are there remain lots of opportunities there.

Speaker 2

So as we talked before, it's less than it was because we're more focused on great current relationships that we can broaden our relationships with our deposits and other business with. So that's the case kind of transitionally coming out of the pandemic where there was all that excess liquidity in the system. But as far as the pipeline goes, we actually see a very strong Q3. And as you know, we usually only give outlook into the next 90 days. As we do that, it's a very strong Q3 and it's coming from across the board, all of our segments.

Speaker 8

Okay, great. Very helpful. And then just going back to Ram's margin guidance, I think for the back half of the year, just kind of stable even if we get a cut at the end of September. Just trying to understand maybe how conservative that guidance is, just given that you can pretty well matched up in terms of your hard and soft index deposits relative to your true floating rate loans in terms of those percentages and just as you kind of continue to grow loans at pretty strong clips and use some of the excess liquidity coming off the bond portfolio to support that growth? Yes.

Speaker 5

I mean it's a complicated question. A lot of moving parts, right? The first thing, obviously, is the level of DDA, like we answered before. I mean, we've said it could be $10,000,000,000 it could be $9,500,000,000 or it could be $10,500,000,000 dollars So the overall mix of deposits and timing of some institutional deposits coming in could impact our deposit costs. But I'll say, as I said in my prepared comments, we have close to 48% of our book that are priced at market rates that will move immediately or pretty quickly after the Fed cuts rates, right?

Speaker 5

And we still have about $1,800,000,000 of fixed rate loans that will continue to reprice higher in the next 12 months because they are at, call it, 200 basis points below where our current market rates are. So that's a positive as well. And then the third positive obviously is what's happening in our securities book with about $1,400,000,000 of cash flows coming due at $254,000,000 and getting priced 200 basis points, 2 50 basis points higher. So a lot of positive momentum on one side and then the other side is just we have 69% or 66% of our loans are variable in nature, 69% of them are tied to sulfur or prime grade. So when that happens, sulfur moves in advance of what the Fed might do.

Speaker 5

So that might impact loan yields on the other side. So a lot of moving parts as I'm saying and obviously this is true for the next 2 or 3 quarters before we layer on the Heartland acquisition. So I would say given I'll stick to my original comments that we expect it to be stable. Again, it will be dictated by what happens to mix of deposits including DDAs. And loan

Speaker 8

growth. Yes.

Speaker 5

New loans will be accretive to your point.

Speaker 8

Okay, great. And then you just continue to see kind of good momentum on the institutional fee income. Just curious, maybe get an update in terms of the opportunities you're seeing across those lines and just kind of any thoughts on just kind of activity levels and if you can kind of continue to sustain the growth rate that we've seen over the last year or so across institutional?

Speaker 2

That's another one of my favorite questions. I love our credit quality questions and I love our institutional growth questions. I'll say a couple of things and let Jim add on if I missed anything since the business lines report to him. But we continue to be positioned very well across the board, but in particular a couple of things in AI, alternatives, investments within our asset servicing business is very, very strong. The profile is very strong.

Speaker 2

There's a lot of fund creation, a lot of fundraising going on, a lot of growth within some major clients that we have. We continue to see a really strong pipeline there and then a lot of growth within the customer base. So that is the profile there continues to be very strong. And I think the disruption in the space with our competitors being bought and sold also has continued to be very helpful. So that's a really strong business with strong profile and a great tailwind.

Speaker 2

Corporate Trust continues to be fantastically strong. And I think the strength in travel and all that has really pushed a lot of activity in the airline business, which is coming on our CLO business and such that we are building in that space is again have real great tailwinds, we're having a really good time hiring people in the space. And again, consolidation and hiring has been really great for us in that space. So we continue to feel good about that. The rest of them are all strong.

Speaker 2

Those are some with some real momentum and outsized profiles. Our wealth business interestingly also has a really great profile right now. The sales activity and new generation of assets under management there have been very strong. And so that's nicely up quarter over quarter year over year. Anything you might add, Jim?

Speaker 2

No.

Speaker 6

The only thing I would add, Nate, is just as you know the Corporate Trust business is also a great contributor to our deposit base and we have the ability to move if they get if they balloon, we can move it off balance sheet. We have the ability to keep on balance sheet, really build that out nicely and we're continuing to invest. So outlook for those businesses continues to remain very strong.

Speaker 2

And healthcare continues. Like I said, all the businesses are strong, profile for all of them are strong, but there's some real momentum in Corporate Trust and AI within this the whole set.

Speaker 8

Okay. Very helpful. Thanks for that. If I could just ask one more just in terms of thinking about expenses next year. It looks like you guys aren't planning to convert the systems until the Q4 of next year.

Speaker 8

So just curious to what extent or what degree of cost saves you guys think you can realize assuming you close the deal early next year ahead of the conversion later in the year?

Speaker 2

Well, I mean, we'll as they come in and we execute against them, we'll report on them. It's probably premature to tell you how, when and it's too early really to report on that. But we intend obviously to segregate and report on those synergies and savings as they come through every quarter.

Speaker 5

Yes. And nothing's changed from our announcement. If you go back, we expected based on Q1 close and the Q4 conversion that we would get 40% of that 27.5% cost saves in the first in the 2025 time frame and then everything else in 2026 and beyond. So no change from that perspective as of now, Nate. And you'll see, as I said, that's the projections for

Speaker 2

it all hasn't changed, but you'll see it come through as it comes through.

Speaker 8

Okay, great. I appreciate the color. Thanks guys. Thanks, Dave.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Rodis with Janney. John, your line is now open.

Speaker 9

Good morning, everybody. Good

Speaker 3

morning. Just

Speaker 9

a follow-up, Ram, maybe on fees. I guess the brokerage line item. If we start to see some Fed cuts, can you hold that level or does that start to decline a little bit?

Speaker 3

No, that's no, it takes

Speaker 5

a lot of cuts for that to be impacted on the negative side. It has to be 300 plus 400 basis points of cuts before it impacts the 12b1 money market revenue share. So there's no risk of that. To Jim's earlier point, we're still seeing opportunities to add off balance sheet and maybe even generate some. But I would not expect any near term impacts because of revenue share going away until the Fed cuts fairly dramatically.

Speaker 2

And quite frankly, I think the way we see it is the more if rates come down activity will go up. So there'll be more activity. So on the margin anyway as that would hit over time, we'd see more volume also.

Speaker 9

Okay. Okay. Makes sense, Mariner. Thank you. And then just one other on fees, the bank card fees, you're $21,000,000 to $22,000,000 now and just talking your previous comments about strong trends and stuff.

Speaker 9

And so you feel that's up from $18,000,000 to $19,000,000 a quarter of last year. So this sort of new level of $21,000,000 to $22,000,000 seems appropriate going forward?

Speaker 5

Yes. One of the biggest drivers so obviously purchase volumes even organically have grown up nicely, right? We used to be at $3,500,000,000 of purchase volumes every quarter. A lot of it driven by healthcare. We have a lot of momentum as you heard from our fee income lines on commercial where purchase volume is growing strongly.

Speaker 5

And the biggest catalyst in the second quarter is the $100,000,000 call it $15,000,000 of co branded card balances that we acquired. So that new business generated about gross $70,000,000 of purchase volumes, fees of net of interchange or net interchange fees of about $500,000 So that's part of the organic and inorganic growth drivers for us, but we feel pretty good at the higher level. It can go up and down from quarter to quarter based on timing of incentives from the network or other things, but generally we feel like the momentum is positive. We also had a couple of

Speaker 2

large new relationships on the institutional side that had card relationships that are really starting to drive some big volume there. So I would say it's up from here neutral. I mean the trends are upward sloping.

Speaker 8

Okay. Thanks guys. Thanks, John.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Timur Braziler with Wells Fargo. Timur, your line is now open.

Speaker 3

Hey, Timur. Hi, good morning.

Speaker 5

Good morning.

Speaker 10

I wanted to follow-up just on the margin outlook for 3Q as it pertains to the bond book. It seems that it looks like much of the bond growth occurred later in the quarter and the amount of repricing was elevated in 2Q compared to what's coming online over the next 4 quarters. I'm just wondering how much of that repricing took place in the back end of the quarter and if that's not more of a tailwind as we go into 3Q for margin?

Speaker 5

No. The back end balance increase that you're seeing as we footnoted in one of our pages time to time, especially at month end as we described earlier, there's a lot of collateral needs for trust deposits and institutional generally across the 3 months and a quarter, we're always looking at every quarter to whether we want to reinvest based on our loaner deposit ratio pipeline and all that. So I would not expect a tailwind because of the late quarter purchase. I mean, again, this is just to satisfy collateral needs over the last 2 days of the quarter and the 1st 2 days of the following or last 2 days of the month and the following 2 days. So there's no tailwind to be expected in the Q3 from that.

Speaker 10

Okay, great. And then maybe a follow-up on the Heartland deal. I'm just wondering, the fact that you're essentially acquiring 10 smaller institutions versus 1 larger one, is that an opportunity as those are kind of consolidated together and brought under one general operating model? Or is that a near term risk as that consolidation kind of maybe offset some of the planned benefits at least in the near term of the deal closing?

Speaker 2

That's a great question. And it's really one of the exciting things about executing this transaction, really one of the things that excited us is that they started a journey 2 years ago basically to set themselves up to look like us over the next 5 10 years. And this acquisition just accelerates all that work. So they've done, I said, I think early on in one of our calls, they planted the seeds and filled the soil and we get to harvest. So they've done all the hard work.

Speaker 2

They've consolidated the systems And we get to come in and sort of layer in all the things that we do. And so I guess, I would say not a lot of risks that really more opportunity to leverage the work that they've already done. So we're pretty excited about it. We get to kind of come in and like I said leverage the work they've done. So don't see any risk there, really all opportunity.

Operator

Thanks, Timo. Thank you. There are no questions registered at this time. So I will pass the call back over to the management team for any closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and thanks everyone for joining us today. Again, you can always follow-up with Investor Relations at 816 860-7106. Thanks for your interest in UMB and have a great day.

Operator

That concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.

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Earnings Conference Call
UMB Financial Q2 2024
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