Fair Isaac Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 31, 2024

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Third Quarter 2024 FICO Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.

Operator

I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Dave Singleton. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, and thank you for attending FICO's 3rd quarter earnings call. I'm Dave Singleton, Vice President of Investor Relations, and I'm joined today by our CEO, Will Lansing and our CFO, Steve Weber. Today, we issued a press release that describes financial results compared to the prior year. And on this call, management will also discuss results in comparison with the prior quarter to facilitate an understanding of the run rate of the business. Certain statements made in this presentation are forward looking under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Speaker 1

Those statements involve many risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Information concerning these risks and uncertainties is contained in the company's filings with the SEC, particularly in the Risk Factors and Forward Looking Statements portion of such filings. Copies are available from the SEC, from the FICO website or from our Investor Relations team. This call will also include statements regarding certain non GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the company's earnings release and Regulation G schedule issued today for a reconciliation of each of these non GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measure.

Speaker 1

The earnings release and Regulation G schedules are available on the Investor Relations page of the company's website atfico.com or on the SEC's website atsec.gov. And a replay of this webcast will be available through July 31, 2025. Now I will turn the call over to our CEO, Will Lansing.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Dave, and thank you, everyone, for joining us for our Q3 earnings call. In the Investor Relations section of our website, we posted some financial highlight slides that we will be referencing during our presentation. Today, I'll talk about this quarter's results and our increased guidance for the full fiscal year. We continue to deliver strong quarterly results, including impressive growth in our ACV bookings and free cash flow. As shown on Page 2 of the Q3 financial highlights, we reported Q3 revenues of $448,000,000 up 12% over the last year.

Speaker 2

We delivered $126,000,000 of GAAP net income in the quarter, down 2% and GAAP earnings of $5.05 per share, down 1% from the prior year. On a non GAAP basis, Q3 net income was 156,000,000 dollars with earnings of $6.25 per share, up 9% and 10%, respectively. We had a difficult comp in year over year net income as Q3 of 2023 included an $8,500,000 one time reimbursement of third party data implementation costs as well as a $9,500,000 reduction in income tax expense associated with the valuation of our R and D credits. We delivered record free cash flow of $206,000,000 in our Q3 and $551,000,000 over the last four quarters. We continue to return capital to our shareholders through buybacks.

Speaker 2

In Q3, we repurchased 196,000 shares at an average price of $12.93 per share. And we announced a new board authorization for $1,000,000,000 of share repurchase. In our Scores segment on Page 6 of the presentation, our 3rd quarter revenues were $241,000,000 up 20% versus the prior year. Breaking that down, in B2B, current quarter revenues were up 27% versus the prior year. In B2C, the current quarter revenues were down 2% versus the prior year.

Speaker 2

3rd quarter mortgage originations revenues were up 80% versus the prior year. Mortgage origination revenue accounted for 49% of B2B revenue and 39% of total Scores revenue. Auto originations revenues were down 3%, while credit card, personal loan and other originations revenues were down 7% versus the prior year. We continue to drive strong adoption for FICO score 10T for non GSE mortgages. Based on 2023 firm reported data, clients with over 126 $1,000,000,000 in annualized mortgage originations and about $380,000,000,000 in eligible mortgage portfolio servicing have signed up for the FICO Score 10T.

Speaker 2

Firms are using FICO 10T to make credit decisions, deliver to investors and for securitization. FICO 10T for conforming mortgages will be rolled out based on the timeline of the FHFA's implementation of enterprise credit score requirements. In our software segment, we delivered $206,000,000 in Q3 revenue, up 5% from last year, driven mainly by growth in SaaS software, partially offset by decline in professional services. We continue to drive strong growth in ARR and NRR through our land and expand strategy with expand driven by increased customer usage. As shown on Page 7, total ARR was up 10% with platform ARR growing 31% and non platform ARR growing 3%.

Speaker 2

Total NRR for the quarter shown on Page 8 was 108% with platform NRR at 124% and non platform NRR at 101%. Our total ACV bookings for the quarter were an impressive 27,500,000 dollars We continue to drive more FICO platform SaaS bookings, which aligns with our strategy. We expect this trend to continue as our recent FICO world event has been catalyst for driving pipeline growth, especially for the FICO platform. I'm very proud of the strength of our software business, both the industry leading technology as well as our remarkable team. This quarter, we secured another award for our FICO platform, the Business Intelligence Platform in the year from Data Breakthrough.

Speaker 2

In July, Nikhil Bell was promoted to EVP for software, leading all technology and go to market functions. Nikhil has been instrumental in strengthening our brand value, reputation with customers and regulators, strategic competitive positioning for FICO scores and FICO platform and market leading business growth. We continue to excel in our scores business as well. Our team is focused on innovation to provide new ways to add value for our customers. FICO score is a tool that market participants rely on to make many crucial decisions, including prequal, underwriting, pricing, insuring, securitizing, rating, selling, assessing capital requirements, assessing prepayment risk and determining collection strategies.

Speaker 2

The FICO score has long been freely chosen because it's trusted as the most predictive and reliable independent credit score, enabling lenders to fairly expand credit access to more consumers. The FICO score was widely adopted because it democratized and expanded access to credit, while simultaneously underpinning the safety and soundness of the market. It's worth pointing out that over half of mortgage market is non conforming and also overwhelmingly uses FICO scores. The FICO scores provided and will continue to provide tremendous value to the credit ecosystem. As part of our ongoing commitment to industry leading credit decision, we've made significant commitments to financial knowledge and financial inclusion.

Speaker 2

We've once again partnered with Chelsea Football Club, both men's and women's teams, and US Soccer Foundation for the Fields of Financial Empowerment Summer Tour. The goal is to build excitement for and access to financial education and resources to help more people, including the next generation of fans, make more informed credit decisions. As part of the campaign, FICO hosts free Score A Better Future Fundamentals, financial education workshops for students from traditionally underserved communities. Students improve financial literacy and have the opportunity to attend a Chelsea football game. I'll talk about our outlook for the balance of the year, including our increased guidance after Steve provides further financial details.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Will, and good afternoon, everyone. As Will mentioned, we had another good quarter with total revenues of $448,000,000 an increase of 12% over the prior year. Scores segment revenues for the quarter were $241,000,000 up 20% from Q3 of 2023. B2B revenues were up 27% driven primarily by mortgage origination revenues. Our B2C revenues were down 2% versus the prior year due to volume declines in our myfico.combusiness.

Speaker 3

Software segment revenues in the Q3 were 206,000,000 dollars up 5% versus Q3 2023. On prem and SaaS software revenue grew 7% year over year, while professional services declined 9%. This quarter 85% of total company revenues were derived from our Americas region, which is a combination of our North America and Latin American regions. Our EMEA region generated 10% of revenues and the Asia Pacific region generated 5%. Our total software ARR was $710,000,000 a 10% increase over the prior year.

Speaker 3

Platform ARR was $215,000,000 representing 30% of our total Q3 2024 ARR up from 25% of total in Q3 of 2023. Platform ARR grew 31% versus the prior year, while non platform ARR grew 3% to $495,000,000 this quarter. Our platform land and expand strategy continues to be successful. Our dollar based net retention rate in the quarter was 108%. Platform NRR was 124%, while our non platform NRR was 101%.

Speaker 3

Platform NRR was driven by a combination of new use cases and increased usage. Our software ACV bookings for the quarter were $27,500,000 As a reminder, ACV bookings include only the annual value of software sales and exclude professional services. Our expenses for the quarter and total operating expenses were $258,000,000 this quarter versus $222,000,000 in the prior year, an increase of 16% year over year and 8% versus the prior quarter. Our Q3 included our FICO World event and a true up for our annual incentive rewards and we expect Q4 expenses to be down modestly from our Q3 run rate. As Will noted, the prior year includes an $8,500,000 one time reimbursement of third party data implementation costs and a reduction to income tax expense of $9,500,000 associated with the valuation of our R and D tax credits.

Speaker 3

Our non GAAP operating margin as shown on our Reg G schedule was 52% for the quarter compared with 51% in the same quarter last year. GAAP net income this quarter was $126,000,000 down 2% from the prior year's quarter. Our non GAAP net income was $156,000,000 for the quarter, up 9% from the prior year's quarter. The effective tax rate for the quarter was 24.5%. We believe that our fiscal year 2024 net effective tax rate is expected to be around 22%, while our recurring tax rate is expected to be around 26%.

Speaker 3

Recurring tax rate is before any excess tax benefit and other discrete items. Free cash flow for the quarter was $206,000,000 a 69% increase from the previous year. The trailing 12 month free cash flow was $551,000,000 compared to $467,000,000 in the prior quarter. At the end of the quarter, we had $199,000,000 in cash Currently, 61% of our total debt is fixed rate. Our Currently, 61 percent of our total debt is fixed rate.

Speaker 3

Our floating rate debt is pre payable at any time, giving us the flexibility to use free cash flow to reduce outstanding floating rate debt balances in future periods. During the quarter, we secured a $450,000,000 term loan and used those proceeds to reduce our revolving line of credit and to provide additional debt capacity. Turning to return to capital, we back 196,000 shares in the 3rd quarter at an average price of $12.93 per share. That exhausted the existing authorization, which was approved in January, and we have just announced a new board authorization for $1,000,000,000 We continue to view share repurchases as an attractive use of cash. And with that, I'll turn it back to Will for his thoughts on the rest of the year and the increase in our full year guidance.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Steve. We are executing on our strategy. Our customers are delighted with our innovative products. Our execution is generating strong financial results, including impressive ACV bookings, record free cash flow and an increase in FICO platform and FICO 10T adoption. The business is strong.

Speaker 2

I'm pleased to report that today we're again raising our full year guidance as we enter the Q4 of our fiscal year. We're raising our full year revenue guidance to $1,701,000,000 GAAP net income is now expected to be $500,000,000 with GAAP earnings per share of $19.90 Non GAAP net income is now expected to be $582,000,000 with non GAAP earnings per share of $23.16 With that, I'll turn it back to Dave and we'll open up the Q and A session.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Will. This concludes our prepared remarks and we're now ready to take questions. Operator, please open the lines.

Operator

Thank And our first question is going to come from the line of Faiza Elway with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Yes. Hi. Thank you so much. So I wanted to start with the software business and just ask you if you could comment on the selling environment, if there's any change from a macro perspective, anything new or different you're hearing from your customers? And then I know at FICO World we had talked about improvement of the platform and talking about decomposition of the platform.

Speaker 4

So just give us a sense if there's any update there and any additional color?

Speaker 2

FICO World is always and was this year the biggest pipeline generating event that we have. And so we came out of FICO World with a very, very healthy pipeline. I would say that the selling environment has not changed that much over the last year or so. And I would also emphasize that increasingly customers are buying FICO software as a strategic move. And so it's a very considered purchase.

Speaker 2

And it's not just like going out and finding a point solution to a small problem to a specific problem. It's a bigger thing than that. And that hasn't changed. That's kind of the new way of operating.

Speaker 4

Got it. Thank you. And then just a question on mortgage revenues. You obviously had very strong growth in the quarter. I'm curious how volume trended in the quarter.

Speaker 4

I know you don't give a breakdown, but was it in line with your expectations? Are there any dynamics you're seeing around soft pulls where I believe lenders have the option to go to 1 or 2 bureaus like that. Are you seeing an impact on volumes from that and just the general environment around mortgage volumes? Our mortgage volumes are

Speaker 2

a lagging indicator relative to other mortgage data that you have. Our mortgage volumes are down versus a year ago. They're pretty much flat versus a quarter last quarter. And none of that is particularly surprising.

Speaker 4

All right. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Surinder Thind with Jefferies. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thank you. First question on just the guidance raise, it implies revenues are going to be down roughly $10,000,000 quarter over quarter. Just any color there? I know you normally are conservative in the guide, but just can you do the walk for us from 3Q to fiscal Q2?

Speaker 3

Yes. So we are pretty conservative with the way we guide. So we want to make sure that a lot of the on the scores we don't have much control over, right. So we don't really know what's going to happen there. I would say that generally the Q4 is a little lighter, seasonally for mortgage.

Speaker 3

Mortgage volumes aren't as high typically then as they are in the spring. So there might be some a little bit of volume decline there, but a lot of which is spent in the environment, which we don't have a lot of visibility to.

Speaker 5

Thank you. And then in terms of just when I think about the non platform business here, the NRR was 101%. That's the slowest pace of growth in about 2 years. So any color there that you can help with? Is there some movement of revenues from non platform to platform at this point?

Speaker 5

How should we think about that?

Speaker 2

I wouldn't say that it's cannibalization if that's what your question is getting at. We're pretty pleased with our classic offerings with 101% NRR. We've been trying to manage that business in this relatively flat way and we're pleased that it's turning out that way. But as you can see, the growth is on the expand side on the platform. We let the market tell us what it wants, but we're not displeased with the way it's shaking out.

Speaker 1

Yes. And I would say,

Speaker 3

I mean, we had higher numbers last year and at the time we said there were some things driving that, some of it was some of the CPI increases we had and we had some advantages last year from some FX as well and we knew that was not going to maintain this year. So, it's kind of what we thought was going to happen. It would settle more to around 100%.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you. I'll get back in the queue for additional questions.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Scott Wortzel with Wolfe Research. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, good afternoon guys and thank you for taking my questions. I wanted to start on the auto origination side. Revenues down 3% versus modestly up last quarter. Just wondering similar to how you did a mortgage, maybe comment on the volumes there and how they trended versus last quarter?

Speaker 3

Yes, volumes were relatively flat, but the really is a mix shift. So we had more of a mix shift to more market share in the tiers that are a little bit less price for us, unit cost is a little bit lower. So that's really the difference between the volume and the revenue. So the price per score went down slightly because of a mix shift.

Speaker 6

Got it. That's helpful. Then on the software side, on the platform ARR, I mean, I think it's pretty good to see the sort of rate of deceleration moderate from 2Q to 3Q at sort of this low 30s level. I mean, do you kind of see this as a sort of sustainable growth rate for platform ARR over the near to medium term here?

Speaker 3

Probably, yes. I mean, we don't we think we're pretty confident in that or at around that rate. It can change as we go out farther, but we think that's a sustainable rate. And we've got it helps when you have a good quarter like this in terms of signing new deals too because that will help boost ARR in the future. So, we don't have really good visibility too because a lot of it depends on how quickly our customers can get online and how much usage they have, but there's a lot of growth there.

Speaker 3

So we're pretty confident that we can maintain these levels.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks guys.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Kyle Peterson with Needham. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks. Good afternoon, guys. Just wanted to start out on software, particularly the bookings, it looked pretty nice on an ACV basis compared to a lot of the prior quarters. So how should we think about some of the implementation cycles and kind of when some of those bookings will start to translate to revenue here?

Speaker 2

It's, as you know, it's a long sales cycle as long as 400 days and it takes not that long to get live once it's all said and done. But I think that the flow through is the subsequent year. I mean, that's the easiest way to think about it.

Speaker 3

And it does depend on the customer, how sophisticated they are, how ready they are. But yes, I mean, and then if you sign deals now in the next 6 to 9 months, you should start seeing a flow through on that.

Speaker 7

Got it. That's very helpful. And then just a follow-up on the particularly on if we do get rate cuts, whether it's later this year or next year, maybe if you could walk us through some of the different sensitivities. I know your business now looks quite a bit different maybe compared to past cycles. So especially on those first one to 2 rate cuts, what are some of the impacts that we should be mindful of if those do come to fruition?

Speaker 2

We're already seeing a little bit of an uptick in refi. And it's not exactly a gigantic leap of faith that as rates come down, we'll see volumes go up. We fully anticipate that. Your guess is as good as ours as to the timing of the rate cuts. We would hope to see some rate cuts towards the end of this year and next year and volumes go up with that.

Speaker 7

All right. That's helpful. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of George Tong with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi, thanks. Good afternoon. Within the Scores business, card and personal loan revenue fell 7% in quarter, which is a little bit better than the 9% decline in the prior quarter. Can you talk about some of the trends you're seeing among subprime or lower tier consumers that may be impacting card and personal loan performance and also talk about overall bank lending conditions?

Speaker 3

Yes, I mean the subprime markets obviously seen the biggest pullback, which is not surprising, right? You're late in the credit cycle, you have a lot more uncertainty and that's kind of where you see it happen first. Bank by bank, it kind of varies depending on what they're looking at and what kind of campaign they might may or may not be running. But we see banks being relatively conservative with new originations. And I think they're kind of waiting to see what happens and see what the economic environment looks like.

Speaker 3

So it's really not surprising. We saw probably a little over a year ago strong growth there. When mortgage started to slow down and rates started to go up, we saw strong growth there. But now I think it's just more uncertainty in the market and they're just kind of being more cautious in their originations.

Speaker 8

Got it. That's helpful. And then switching to the software side, software operating margins contracted about 4 30 bps year over year in the Q3. Can you talk about some of the reasons behind what

Speaker 3

That's almost completely around that reimbursement we had last year. So that was a big number we had and that was all on the software side. So that's the driver of that.

Speaker 8

And so as that laps, when would you expect the flip to margin expansion in the software business?

Speaker 3

Well, we'll get some margin expansion next quarter because I mean, again, we had some costs like FICO World this quarter, it's not going to repeat next quarter. So, we'll have some our costs will decline next quarter and that'll end up with some margin expense. These costs are big enough where in any one given quarter something like FICO World is going to have an impact on that quarter's margin.

Speaker 8

Got it. Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Ashish Sabadra with RBC. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Thanks for taking my question. Just on the software revenue growth, particularly the on prem and SaaS and within that, when I look at software recognized over the contract term, the growth there moderated. How should we think about the growth profile there?

Speaker 2

Ashish, we can't hear you. We can't hear you.

Speaker 1

Sorry. Let me know if that's

Speaker 9

better. Yes. So I wanted to focus on the on prem and SaaS software revenue growth and within that even the software recognized over contract term that moderated a bit, still pretty strong at 80%, but did moderate from mid teens. How should we think about those puts and takes on the revenue growth going forward?

Speaker 1

Yes. I mean, a lot of that's

Speaker 3

the fact that we had the Omega growth, the non platform growth out what we saw last year. So that right there drives most of the and then obviously the platform is not going 50% either. But so we think these kind of growth rates going forward, as I said earlier, that's probably more likely what we're going to see to continue. And as the numbers get bigger, it's harder to drive 50% growth or even 40% growth. So, we're pretty happy with the 30% growth in the platform side.

Speaker 3

And on non platforms, we think we can get better than 100%, we're happy with that as well.

Speaker 9

That's very helpful. Thanks. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Simon Klinch with Redburn Atlantic. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to cycle back to the 30% -plus growth in the platform software ARR and just I was wondering if you could just go in a little bit more detail as to why you think that that is a sustainable level of growth and just perhaps flesh that out a little

Speaker 3

bit more for us, please? Well, I mean, we've got I mean, again, we had a really good quarter with new bookings and we've got a lot of installed base that's rapidly expanding. I mean, when we install, most of our customers look for new ways to use it and we see that in the net retention rate. And that number continues to be well to do well and we continue to add more business to it. So again, we can't guarantee it, but we've got a lot of reasons, both data driven and anecdotally to think that we're going to continue to see that kind of growth.

Speaker 10

Okay, thanks. And just to follow-up on that, could you I mean just frame the approach to pricing within the software business? You mentioned like last year in the, I think it was the non platform side you had sort of higher inflationary pricing. But just wondering if you could talk a bit about the strategy around the pricing, pricing for value and how to think about that going forward?

Speaker 2

Our strategy around software pricing is we're very focused right now on making our software accessible and encouraging adoption. And so while there's probably room for value pricing in our software business, that's not where our direction is. Our direction is to put the software in the hands of our customers and then watch revenue grow as their usage increases. And their usage increases within the initial applications that they put the platform to use for and then also as they discover new uses. The expand part of our land expand strategy is very much wrapped around the customer taking control of what they can do with the platform and coming up with new use cases.

Speaker 2

And we tend to design in a way that we don't have to renegotiate contracts and go back and do a lot of contractual work for them to do more revenue with us. We tend to design it in a way that they can select how much usage they want and our revenue goes up automatically as their usage goes up.

Speaker 3

Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of Mueller with Baird. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Yes, thanks. Instead of me getting to ask a question about cash flow this quarter, I just get to say congrats on the nice cash flow. Can you give us some perspective on the geographic kind of trends within software? And I guess I'm just it looks like America's revenue was down a little year over year. So any particular callouts?

Speaker 11

And then EMEA was up a lot. So just any mega wins in EMEA or any reason to think that you're at an inflection point there and it's really taking off?

Speaker 2

Jeff, I don't think that we have tremendous changes regionally. I wouldn't try to read too much into the data on a quarterly basis. We have strength of platform across all the regions. I think Asia Pacific was a little behind the other regions in terms of platform adoption. And there were some structural reasons for that.

Speaker 2

For example, AWS was not available in India before and now it is. But we're seeing adoption across all the regions.

Speaker 1

I would think some of what

Speaker 3

you see might see with the volatility is when we have that point in time license revenue and that could skew things in one given quarter. But we've had a lot of adoption in the last year in North America and we're starting to see a lot more interest to EMEA as well.

Speaker 11

Okay. And then when you're calling out the FICO 10T adoption and then then the non conforming mortgage market. Is that almost exclusively about upgrades from prior versions of FICO score given how high your penetration is? Or are you finding, I guess, like incremental volume as part of that adoption?

Speaker 2

It's a bit of both, but probably more of the

Speaker 3

upgrade. Yes. I mean for the most part everybody was using the traditional FICO scores and now they're just moving to the 10 T ahead of the adoption by the FHFA. Right.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is going to come from the line of Manav Patnaik with Barclays. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Thank you. Good evening. I just wanted to ask Will, I think you tried to reference some of these in your prepared remarks, but in the face of some public criticism around the price of your scores, like how is your approach or thought process around the value of your score, maybe the timing around which you get to that value? Has that changed at all?

Speaker 2

Well, you've heard us say in the past and I certainly continue to believe that what we charge for the FICO score is so much less than the value that we provide that I would say there's not a lot of change in our thought process. Our thought process is that over time, we're going to close some of that gap. And I think anyone who actually studies the numbers and gets into the details of it sees that FICO scores are a tiny piece of the overall process, whether you're talking mortgage or any other kind of credit evaluation process. And so I would say no real change anticipated.

Speaker 12

Okay. And then somewhat similarly on the software side, I think you talked about that value proposition being unique and niche, etcetera. But we've heard obviously a lot of other software companies during the earnings season talk about the weak environment and the slowdown. It doesn't sound like you're seeing any of that, but anything you'd like to call out? Was there maybe some could it be a lag that you see some of these headwinds or perhaps you're not seeing them at all?

Speaker 2

We're really not seeing that. That's I mean, we've certainly heard that and I guess the industry is experiencing that, but we haven't felt that.

Speaker 12

Okay, fair enough. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Thank you. This will conclude today's question and answer session. Ladies and gentlemen, this will also conclude today's conference call. Thank you for participating and you may now disconnect. Everyone have a great day.

Speaker 4

Goodbye.

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