Wolverine World Wide Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 1, 2024

There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the SCI Second Quarter 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to SCI Management. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning. This is Ally O'Connor, AVP of Investor Relations and Financial Reporting. Welcome to our Q2 earnings call. We will have prepared remarks about the quarter from Tom and Eric in just a moment. But before that, let me quickly go over the Safe Harbor language.

Speaker 1

Any comments made by our management team that state our plans, beliefs, expectations or projections for the future are forward looking statements. These forward looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated in such statements. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those factors identified in our earnings release and in our filings with the SEC that are available on our website. Today, we might also discuss certain non GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of these measures can be found in the tables at the end of our earnings release and on our website.

Speaker 1

With that out of the way, I will now turn it over to Tom Ryan, Chairman and CEO.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ali. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us on the call today. This morning, I'm going to begin my remarks with some high level color on our business performance for the quarter and provide some greater detail around our funeral and cemetery results. I will then close with some thoughts regarding our earnings expectations for the rest of 2024. For the Q2, we generated adjusted earnings per share of $0.79 which compared to $0.83 in the prior year.

Speaker 2

The decline of $0.04 from the prior year was attributable to lower funeral profits from a larger than anticipated decline in services performed. This decline was slightly offset by an increase in cemetery profits and better than expected results from recent acquisitions. Below the line, the favorable impact of a lower share count was offset by the negative impact of higher interest expense and the higher tax rate. Now let's take a deeper look into the funeral results for the quarter. Total comparable funeral revenues declined $5,000,000 or about 1% over the prior year quarter.

Speaker 2

Comparable core funeral revenues accounted for this shortfall as it declined almost $7,000,000 Core funeral volume declined 2.7% versus our expectation of flat to slightly higher volume. Funeral volumes tracked our expectations during the 1st 4 months of the year and we saw an unexpected decline in May June. We believe the COVID pull forward effect combined with lower excess debt across our markets contributed to the decline in services for

Speaker 3

the quarter.

Speaker 2

However, we are seeing a more positive funeral volume trend in the month of July with comparable case volume trending positively versus the prior year and our modeling expectations. Our core average revenue per service grew over the prior year quarter by 1.3% after absorbing the negative effects of a 60 basis point increase in the cremation mix. SCIDirect non funeral home preneed sales revenue decreased by $7,000,000 primarily due to operational changes in our California market with respect to the timing of merchandise deliveries, which we discussed with you on the first quarter call. This was offset by a $7,000,000 increase in core general agency commissions and other ancillary revenues that were generated by the favorable impact from higher insurance funded sales production and higher general agency commission rates. From a profit perspective, funeral gross profit declined by $16,000,000 while the gross profit percentage declined from about 21% to about 18%.

Speaker 2

This decrease is primarily due to the decline in revenue and an increase in annual incentive compensation costs reflecting the timing of incentive compensation accrual adjustments over the prior year quarter. Preneed funeral sales production increased by $7,000,000 or about 2% over the Q2 of 2023 led by a $10,000,000 or 4% increase in core preneed funeral sales production. Now shifting to cemetery. Comparable cemetery revenue increased $12,000,000 or about 3% compared to the prior year Q2. The increase was due to a $7,000,000 increase in core revenue and a $5,000,000 increase in other revenue.

Speaker 2

The $7,000,000 core revenue increase was primarily the result of a $10,000,000 or 11% increase in recognized pre need merchandise and service revenue. Robust increases in contract averages being delivered out of the backlog favorably impacted by cumulative trust earnings were responsible for the impressive year over year increase. The other revenue increase was predominantly the result of a $4,000,000 increase in Endowment Care Fund income. Comparable preneed cemetery sales production decreased by $7,000,000 or 2%, which was less than our flat to slightly up expectation. While we saw a $4,000,000 increase in core sales production, we had an offset of an $11,000,000 decline related to large sales.

Speaker 2

We believe this is purely timing as we continue to see long term strength in our premium cemetery inventory and sales production. On a positive note, year to date preneed cemetery sales production is up $17,000,000 or about 3%. Cemetery gross profits in the quarter increased by $5,000,000 and the gross profit percentage increased by 30 basis points generating an operating margin percentage of 33%. The profit from higher revenues was slightly offset by higher maintenance costs and an increase in annual incentive compensation costs, again reflecting the timing of incentive accrual adjustments as compared to the prior year quarter. Now let's shift to a discussion about our outlook for 2024.

Speaker 2

As you saw in our earnings release, we now believe our full year results will be in the lower end of our adjusted earnings per share guidance range of $3.50 to $3.80 for 2024. For the back half of twenty twenty four, we would expect growth in revenues and margins for both the funeral and cemetery segments resulting in impressive earnings per share growth versus the prior year 6 month period as well as compared to sequentially to the 1st 6 months of 2024. We would anticipate a more challenging funeral volume comparison and lower revenue recognized from completed construction projects in the Q3 as compared to the prior year. And therefore, we would expect the preponderance of the earnings per share growth to occur in the Q4. As we think about 2025, we would expect to return to earnings per share growth towards the higher end of our historical annual guidance range of 8% to 12%.

Speaker 2

As the negative effects of comparably higher interest rates and SCI Direct operational changes subside and the positive impact of our new Global Atlantic preneed funeral insurance agreement takes effect. Beyond that is where I truly get excited. With our vast North American network containing market leading brands and businesses, a world class workforce and a robust preneed backlog, we are poised to capture incremental value for our shareholders as the demographic trends impact our industry. In conclusion, I want to acknowledge and thank the entire SCI team for their daily commitment to our customers, our communities and one another. Your dedication is the foundation of our success.

Speaker 2

Thank you for making a difference every day. With that operator, I'll now turn the call over to Eric.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Tom, and good morning everybody on the call. I guess I'll start off the same way you just ended your comments, Tom, and really just start by thanking all of our 25,000 associates here at SCI for the dedication to the communities, the client families, especially those client families during those greatest times of need. Again, your inspiring commitment and exceptional efforts do not go unnoticed. And most importantly, we say thank you for everything that you do for our company. So with that important thing mentioned, today I'm going to first discuss our cash flow results before moving to capital investments during the quarter.

Speaker 4

I'll end with providing some commentary on our outlook similar to what Tom just did. And I'll also talk a little bit about our financial position. Our cash flow remained resilient in the quarter despite lower than anticipated funeral services performed that we've mentioned this morning and yesterday, and was primarily aided by strong cash receipts from not only preneed installment sales, but our underlying funeral and cemetery at need operations. So specifically for the 2nd quarter, we reported adjusted operating cash flow of $220,000,000 which is an increase of $62,000,000 over the prior year. Let's talk about that.

Speaker 4

The primary contributor of that increase was expected in the form of lower cash tax payments of about $60,000,000 That's due to the tax accounting method change related to the timing of recognition of cemetery property revenue for tax purposes. And as a reminder, this tax accounting method change will result in the deferral of cash taxes in the future years when these installment payments for the cemetery property are received. We've talked about that now for several quarters. But as we look forward to 2025 and perhaps beyond 2025, we expect cash taxes to revert toward a more normalized trend that you'd expect from us with an anticipated increase of $150,000,000 in cash tax payments going forward compared to 2024 levels. So if you get outside of these cash taxes though in terms of cash flow, cash flow is generally flat to the prior year with net favorable working capital and that was primarily associated with premium installment sales that were more than offsetting the operating income decline that we talked about and slightly higher cash interest payments.

Speaker 4

And while we're on the topic of cash interest, assuming the rates remain at the current levels, we continue to expect an increase in cash interest in the second half of this year of about $5,000,000 to $10,000,000 and that really relates to higher floating rate debt balances compared to prior year. That's really not new, but I just want to remind you on that. So shifting now to capital investment activity during the quarter, we invested just over $300,000,000 of capital to grow our business and return value to our shareholders. Let's look at the components. First, let's start with our maintenance capital.

Speaker 4

We invested $40,000,000 into high returning new cemetery inventory development projects, again to benefit future preneed sales growth. Dollars 29,000,000 of maintenance capital into our facilities and $18,000,000 into digital systems and initiatives. We also invested about $9,000,000 in growth capital towards the construction of new funeral homes and expansion of some existing funeral homes and cemeteries. From an M and A perspective, we're successful in closing 3 transactions. One was in Illinois, one was in Kentucky and one was in Western Canada for a total spend of about $23,000,000 That brings our first half acquisition spend to about $38,000,000 And that's kind of how I alluded to last quarter, we continue to remain very optimistic about our momentum here and investment opportunities and are expecting to end the year above our targeted range of $75,000,000 to $125,000,000 of capital invested in mergers and acquisitions.

Speaker 4

In addition to acquiring businesses, we also spent $15,000,000 purchase in real estate, including $8,000,000 for expansionary cemetery land the Western United States. Finally, in terms of capital invested or deployed to shareholders, we returned nearly $170,000,000 of capital to our shareholders in the quarter. It threw $43,000,000 of dividends and just under $130,000,000 of share repurchases. So speaking of that, year to date, we have purchased about 2,400,000 shares at an average price of about $70 This resulted in just over 144,000,000 shares outstanding for our company as of June 30. Now moving on to our cash flow outlook for the full year.

Speaker 4

Even with the lower than anticipated volumes impacted our earnings during this quarter, our cash flows have proven resilient as I've already mentioned due to the continued support of cash receipts on both premium installment sales and the underlying cash receipts from our funeral and sanitary atneed businesses. Accordingly, as reflected in our press release yesterday, it is important to note that we are reiterating today our adjusted cash flow from operation guidance range of $900,000,000 to $960,000,000 with a midpoint of $930,000,000 So in closing our prepared remarks, I'd like to just do a couple more items and highlight about our solid financial position. We continue to have a favorable debt maturity profile and liquidity of just under $800,000,000 at the end of the quarter. This consists of $185,000,000 of cash on hand, plus just over $600,000,000 available on our long term bank credit facility. Our leverage at the end of the quarter increased slightly to about 3.7 times.

Speaker 4

And again, that's on a net debt to EBITDA basis. And cash flow continues to be our strength. And together with our solid balance sheet position, we are well positioned to continue delivering value to our shareholders. Once again, I want to express my gratitude to our entire SEI team for their invaluable contributions each and every day to the communities and the client families we are so lucky to serve. With that, this concludes our prepared remarks.

Speaker 4

And with that operator, I'd now like to turn this call over to questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Joanna Gajuk from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

So I guess on your comment, if I may, around next year outlook. So sounds like you think this June weakness in the funeral was sort of temporary drop because you alluded to July tracking better. So just to confirm, I guess, first, you're reducing your guidance essentially for the Q2 results, right? And your expectations for second half of this year are unchanged, right?

Speaker 2

Yes, they're predominantly the same, Joanna. We do believe and again, you never know with volume, it's very difficult to predict. We did say July is a positive trend. But again, we've got many things we can do to execute in the back half of the year and then as we get into 2025. So we'll be ready, both delivering the revenue and managing expenses back half.

Speaker 3

Okay, great. And then, yes, that leads me to the question original question I was thinking about for next year comment that you just made. So if Q2 was sort of viewed as a temporary issue, so to speak, and you expect to grow right at the higher end of the typical range. So I guess, yes, what gives you confidence in ability to grow towards 12%, I guess, off of maybe somewhat depressed twenty 24 number?

Speaker 2

Yes. So as you think about, as I mentioned before, when you think about the 24 number, 2 things stand out as it's going away. 1 is we have a unfavorable interest rate comparison as you think about 2023 to 2024, we believe that will subside in 2025. The other thing is, Joanna, you'll remember in the first quarter, we talked about some operational changes we made to SCI Direct that we thought these were very favorable for the long term business, but we're going to cause some temporary pain. And the first half of the year, we had essentially $20,000,000 of revenue that were not recorded because of changes in the way we deliver merchandise, on the SEI Direct side and some changes that relate to selling away from home insurance.

Speaker 2

So those two negative effects kind of go away in the back half of the year and also go away in 2025. So out of the gates, you have 2 negative trends that kind of disappear. The other positive thing and there's been an announcement, we switched partners as it relates to our general agency agreement, the

Speaker 5

insurance company that funds our premium insurance. And with this new

Speaker 2

agreement, So we would anticipate the positive So, we would anticipate the positive effects of that to lift us up in 2025. And then having said that, the core business itself, we feel again very good about. We feel like volume should stabilize in 2025 from the funeral side. We feel good about our cemetery prospects as we look out into 2025. And again, I think as you see inflation subsiding, you'll begin to see our expenses.

Speaker 2

We have a lot of people. We have a lot of great people. We need to pay them appropriately and we have. But I think we're seeing wage inflation subside a bit and all the other pieces that go into it. So we're excited about 2025 and think it could be a really exciting year for the company.

Speaker 3

So if I may follow-up on this new contract with the Global Atlantic Insurance. So you said that commissions will be higher, but when you negotiated, did you also adjust your sort of the predetermined returns that you expect to get on this contract? Or is it largely kind of reflective in the commissions being higher?

Speaker 2

Well, it's predominantly going to be in the commissions and then it's also in the product mix. You get real technical in some of these terms, but to give you an example, we'll have a better ability to write for our customers, guaranteed insurance product. The way we had to do it under our old agreement, it was more difficult to get people underwritten and therefore give more protection to our customer, which also happens to generate a higher commission for us. And we worked really well with Global Atlantic in finding ways to onboard more people And I won't get into all the technical aspects of that. So we really think we'll have a higher percentage of underwritten product as you think about our customer base, which is better for them, better for our commissions, better for Global Atlantic quite honestly.

Speaker 2

So, it's allowed us to kind of think through a better way to serve our customers, which also should, again, if we execute correctly, generate higher commission rates.

Speaker 3

Great. Thank you. If I may have very last one on the quarter itself, because clearly the funeral segment, right, the gross margin there was very low. So it sounds like the revenue essentially was surprised to you, right? So it sounds like you kind of were heading into the quarter with different kind of cost structure and then things surprised you in June, right?

Speaker 3

So there was sort of, call it, mismatch between the cost and revenue. That's how to think about this quarter in general? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. I think sometimes, Joanna, I think if you because quarters are such short periods of time and you have adjustments to accrual and things that can happen, maybe a better way to look at funeral is step back and look at the 6 months. For the 6 month period, our funeral margins were 19.9%, which are I think about 280 basis points below last year when you think about gross margin percentages. One thing to keep in mind is that anticipated and forecasted SEI Direct change. We're missing about $20,000,000 of not delivering merchandise predominantly on the SEI Direct side.

Speaker 2

So if you add back $20,000,000 in the profits associated with it, it takes that $19,900,000 back up to around, I think it's $20,700,000,000 $20,800,000 So I think your explanation of margin throughput is about 200 basis points and 150 would explain it. We've got a little bit of, I'd say, cost creep associated with a couple of categories, but nothing material. So it's kind of where we thought it would be, not to say we can't do a better job of managing expenses, we will. But as I think about the funeral margins in the back half of the year, I would expect them to be higher. So we feel better about getting our arms around that.

Speaker 2

We're going to lose the negative comparison on SCI Direct. So that's going to help us. And again, I feel a lot more positive about the funeral margins as I think the back half of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3

Thank you so much.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Parker Smyrna with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning. This is Parker on for John Ransom. Maybe just talk about the preneed cemetery sales. I know you mentioned lower high end sales, but the core actually improved. That seems to be a divergence from what you guys have noted in recent quarters.

Speaker 6

So maybe just kind of pull on that thread a little bit more. Are there any common themes that you're seeing that's driving that trend? Or is it purely just kind of timing related or some one off in certain markets? And then generally, how are you thinking about the lower end consumer? Has that changed at all?

Speaker 6

And then also maybe just remind us percent of your preneed cemetery sales that comes from the kind of core consumer versus that high end consumer?

Speaker 2

Sure, Parker. So first of all, I think you hit the nail on the head. It is a reversal. We feel very good about the core. We saw growth in the core and that's different.

Speaker 2

It's been a while since we've seen the high end sales dip down. But as I think we've tried to explain over and over, the high end sales are just very hard to predict when they fall. I would tell you that we were having a lot of conversations with people at the high end that probably didn't close at the end of June. We feel like there's still a lot of interest, a lot of ability to execute in the back half of the year. So, I wouldn't get to we're not worried about actually high end sales are about flat.

Speaker 2

And, actually high end sales are about flat. And so I think you got to again, as you move out periods of time, it probably normalizes. So we feel very good about the back half of the year. And I think the reminder is that from a preneed cemetery perspective, high end sales generate,

Speaker 4

Yes. In that ballpark in

Speaker 5

the year.

Speaker 2

So that's but again, I think that's the piece that's always going to be a little more volatile as you try to predict quarter to quarter.

Speaker 6

Okay. And then if maybe I can just do one more just kind of higher level question. If you just talk about just managing the preneed selling cemetery in an environment where you have maybe tougher funeral volumes, which is typically a lead source for the preneed cemetery selling. Maybe just talk about some of the tools that you have in your kit for kind of driving more preneed cemetery in an environment where you're kind of having to maybe work a little bit harder?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think a lot of the tools that we've talked about before, a lot more of our leads now are coming from outside the location. So from a digital perspective, when you think about seminars that we put on, when you think about digital leads that will generate through the website and other means. So those are where we're seeing a lot more leads, Parker. And so we're executing on those very differently.

Speaker 2

But you correctly say, I mean, if you look at our core volume, we generally write 55% of our funeral volume is the percentage that you can almost predict within a band of between 53% 57%. That's the number of contracts core that will fight in any given. So, it shows you that there's still a high correlation of people that are coming through our funeral homes are tremendous lead source for preneed cemetery. I do think that over time, we'll trend more towards other sources and that's where we're working really hard at how can we do better at identifying people that are ready to purchase cemetery. And again, from a digital perspective, there's a lot of data out there that we're mining and understanding and getting in front of those customers.

Speaker 2

So feel very good about the trends in that business, but you can't it's still such a core reason for cemetery sales, funeral volume still has a material impact on our ability to generate those leads and then turn them into sales.

Speaker 6

All right, great. Thank you so much.

Operator

The next question comes from Tobey Sommer with Trust Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning guys. This is Jasper Bibb on for Tobey. I wanted to ask how you managing the sales force in the current demand environment. I think at the Investor Day 2 years ago, you showed how you've been able to drive pretty impressive productivity gains even with lower headcount. So curious if you've seen those productivity levels hold up this year?

Speaker 5

Salesforce?

Speaker 4

Well, what we were doing now is that just to refresh everybody's memory as you asked, when you look back 4 or 5 years and again you referenced the May 22 Investor Day, so I'm doing this by memory, but we had about 4,300 to 4,400 counselors to produce total preneed sales of somewhere around $1,700,000,000 $1,800,000,000 at the time. And that's funeral and cemetery when I say that, okay. So that's the entire preneed sales function. Today, fast forward now, now you're looking at $2,700,000,000 to $2,800,000,000 ish area in terms of $1,000,000,000 for the preneed sales force. And we're doing that with 3,700 counselors as opposed to the 4,300 counselors.

Speaker 4

Not to get repetitive, but it's kind of what Tom had already answered during the call today. You're talking about better technology in terms of what we're using, in terms of in front of the customer that's helping us be more efficient. Tom already mentioned the quantity and quality of the leads. That's not just digital leads, although that's a big piece to that improvement, but it's also how we're handling direct mail and seminars differently than before. We're getting a lot more effective and productive in terms of utilizing the CRM system and which is helping us reduce turnover, which we can all talk about has a huge benefit and a less distraction on recruiting and such.

Speaker 4

And then let's don't forget that we're continuing to invest capital into our cemeteries. I mean, if you do use the same timeframe back to 2018, you're not spending $165,000,000 of capital to build inventory. It would be much, much less than that. It'd probably be $80,000,000 to $100,000,000 if I remember correctly. So we are going in there with the tiering strategy that we have led the industry in doing and putting our money where our mouth is and spending the capital, which has wonderful returns to those capitals for those high end projects all the way down to the mid tier projects, all the way down to that beginning entry level type price points in these cemeteries.

Speaker 4

So it's not one magic bullet, kind of all of the above that we've talked about back in 2022, which continues to come to fruition as we speak today.

Speaker 5

Thanks. And I think earlier you mentioned 150 basis points headwind this year on the SEI Direct changes for first half funeral gross margin and then that's going to help you next year. Is the right way to think about that and seeing, let's say, like 70 bps to 80 bps, if you have gross margin tailwind for 25 versus 24?

Speaker 2

I think no. I think your negative comparison should begin to flatten out in 25. So I wouldn't anticipate it to have any kind of material effect on margins in 2025, just 2024.

Speaker 5

Okay, understood. Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from A. J. Rice with UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

J. Rice:]

Speaker 7

Hi, everybody. Just a couple of things maybe. I think you're saying you expect a little more challenging comparison in the Q3 in the pre need cemetery related to lower revenue recognized completed cemetery construction projects in Q3 versus prior year. Their overall comments seem to be for more at least flat in the second half. What I just want to make sure we walk away with the right assumption about what you're thinking of for the preneed cemetery production in the Q3?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think my comment was more about not production, but about completed contracts. Remember, we're I think our sales production will be fine in the Q3 and good in the Q4 and not a lot of big differentiation. What I was referencing more to is, the timing of completed construction projects that have already been sold into. And last year, we had a pretty decent sized number, in the Q3.

Speaker 2

And I think what we're trying to highlight a little bit that it could be as big as, let's say, a $20,000,000 difference of revenue recognized from completing those contracts. Think of a mausoleum. So it has nothing to do with production, but more about when the revenue gets recognized and that comparison is much more favorable when you think about the 4th quarter. So, if you think about cemetery revenue recognized for the Q3, you're going to have a little bit of a hill to climb just because of that. We still feel very good about production for the Q3.

Speaker 7

Okay. And on the larger or higher end properties, I know sometimes it can be just when the construction is completed and then you can recognize it. And sometimes there's consumer behavior. Are you saying the softness a little bit in the high end that you saw in the second quarter is more about projects and when they got completed? Or are you actually saying that you've seen a little softness in the consumer behavior in the high end?

Speaker 2

Yes. So when we talk about production, that's just consumer behavior. So yes, we saw less contracts close in the Q2 as it relates to last year's Q2. But again, I'd kind of highlight you too, the Q1 was a really nice upside surprise. We had a very strong high end sale.

Speaker 2

So again, looking at the 6 months, it's kind of flat. I think as we think of the back half of the year, we see no reason we can't generate high end sales. We're not seeing pushback from consumers or anything like that. Sometimes as you know, A. J, it's just getting in front of people, somebody deciding they want to pull the trigger, not pull the trigger.

Speaker 2

So we still feel very positive about our ability to sell the high end inventory, large sales in both the back half of the year and then again in 2025.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then on the funeral side, I know the core funeral rate per service was up about 1.3% in a quarter where you didn't have very much growth in cremation rates, which can put some pressure on that. Anything as you drill down there, just seem like that might have been a little stronger in a normal environment. Anything you see?

Speaker 2

Really not. I think at the at the atneed level, it was closer to 3% from a contractual year over year. Remember, you got the cremation mix change, which negates some of that. And then lastly, I think it was more of a tougher comparison as it relates to the preneed backlog comparison versus the add need walk in. And so, again, that's going to vary from time to time depending when those contracts come in.

Speaker 2

So at the customer level, we're still seeing kind of 3% increases, which may not be 4%, but some of that 1.3 is because of the mix and because of trust income from the contracts that are coming out of the backlog.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then just the last question on the deal pipeline. I know you said in the prepared remarks you'd be above the high end of your target normal target range. Do you think you're just seeing more properties? Is it the competitive landscape some of the smaller competitors are having their own financial issues?

Speaker 7

Is it the consent decree going away? Are there deals in those markets? Is that what we're seeing? Give us a little more on that. And is there anything new about the economics of the deals you're seeing?

Speaker 2

Sure. I think first of all, probably all the above, but the predominant reason I think we feel is interest rates spiking up and again I'm just using history as a gauge. A lot of our competitors had variable rate debt structures. And we've got a little bit of that, but very little. And so I think our back to Eric's point, our financial stability, our cost of borrowings is very different.

Speaker 2

So I think if those went up, those competitors really had to pull back. And I think it's allowed us to more deals to flow directly to us and not be as in the competitive stage. I think I don't see a drastic difference in pricing. No, I mean, I think it's pretty much the same. It's just we're the choice and we've got a lot of stuff working in the pipeline.

Speaker 2

And like Eric said, I think we feel highly confident. You never want to declare something until it's signed and done. But there's enough out there in sizable deals that we're really excited about. So great opportunities to deploy some capital and create some future profitability and growth for SCI.

Speaker 8

Okay.

Speaker 7

Thanks a lot.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Thank you. Good morning. Just going back on the funeral segment, profit underperformance in the quarter. Tom, could you kind of break out what the drivers are there in magnitude and maybe mix? Because the revenue, I know there was maybe some timing in the quarter, and this was discussed on an earlier question, but it was not much of a difference on revenue year over year yet this significant drop.

Speaker 8

And you'd mentioned in that prior answer some cost creep. So I heard some SCI Direct, the incentive comp, just the leverage and then this cost creep. And I think that maybe as people concerned, is that something that's going to persist in the back half, even though you did talk about some stabilization. So if you could break that out a little bit more, it'd be appreciated. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure. It's Scott Tuphin. What I was trying to say is in the quarter sometimes and you guys know how these things work, you adjust estimates and accruals. So I'll give you an example. If you had an AR reserve in one period and you decided, hey, I'm over reserved or under reserved, I'm going to hit that accrual in the second quarter and it may or may not begin to show its head in the first.

Speaker 2

So it's really hard. Sometimes you got a credit going one way and a debit going another way. And that's why I say a quarter can have noise. And if you step back and look at the 6 months, we went from 19.9 percent we're 19.9 percent funeral margin for the 6 months versus 22.7% in the 6 months of last year, that's 280 basis points. If you do the volume throughput, it would tell you that I would have expected based upon your volumes to go down 150 basis points.

Speaker 2

That's just pure volume calculation on the core. Then you take SCI Direct and say, okay, I knew that I was going to stop delivering merchandise and a couple of other items. That's 20,000,000 dollars which would have dropped, say, dollars 14,000,000 to the bottom line. So now I've explained another $150,000,000 and now I've explained another 80 So, 2.30 basis points of my 2.70 whatever it is, difference is explained by SEI Direct and the throughput and the 0.4% is higher expenses. And again, I think you can take away some of the quarter to quarter noise if you do it that way.

Speaker 2

And I look at those numbers and say, okay, I've got slightly higher incentive comp because again back to timing of when you adjusted those incentive comp accruals, which recall are not just based on EPS, they're based on production, they're based on cash flows. So, we don't think there's any big boogeyman in the cost, I guess what I'm saying. Having said that, there are things we can do. We clearly have had wage inflation for the last couple of years, rightfully so. And so we're seeing that subside in some of those trends.

Speaker 2

As I think about 2025, we'll have less wage inflation, we'll be more efficient in how we are running the operations and we don't have the drag of SEI Direct. On top of that, we've got a better general agency agreement, which should generate higher commissions, which are going to enhance the funeral margins when you think about 2025. So that's why I feel better is we're going to manage this tighter. We've got a good G and A revenue story coming in 2025 and we don't have the drag of SEI Direct operational changes on a year over year basis. And remember, the thing that should get exciting about SCI Direct, we're deferring a lot of revenue that we're still selling.

Speaker 2

And one day that money is going to come out of trust and the margins on SCI Direct's operational business are going to go way up. So, this is a timing thing and the business itself is very healthy. The consumer is very healthy. And so, long term, I love our trends. Short term, we're having to stomach a little bit of earnings and digestion.

Speaker 8

Thanks, Tom. And just on the new partner, the new insurance company partner, you alluded to $25,000,000 So it sounds like you think that maybe you get some better fee flow by that time. Could it come as early as the second half or is it going to take a few quarters before it's discernible?

Speaker 2

Yes, we will get some in the second half for sure. I think the full effects are going to come in 2025 because again remember there's a lot of operational change here as it relates to what type of products we're selling. The most robust commission rates get around underwritten insurance and we believe we now have the right type of products to put in front of our customers. Some of it is getting people insurance licenses. So as you transition to this new agreement and the real opportunities in insurance, we have to make sure that our salespeople have an insurance license.

Speaker 2

So, this sounds simple, they're not. And we need to get more people licensed. We need to get people understanding the product mix. And like I said, what I'm excited about is we're going to have more of our customers that are protected by underwritten insurance than we ever historically have. So it's a better product for the consumer.

Speaker 2

So our accounts are going to feel really good about providing that protection. And if we do it right, we're going to generate higher commissions.

Speaker 8

Thanks. I just have 2 more and they're separate, but I'll ask them both up front and we can wrap. Thank you. The one is consumer behavior in the lower price tiers. If you could just delve into that a little bit, are you seeing inflection better?

Speaker 8

Is it inflecting a little worse? Just curious about the contract velocity volume. So that's question number 1, just that trend and how you think about that? And number 2 is the funeral rule update, FTC, anything on that? Thanks so much.

Speaker 2

I'm going to let Eric talk about the funeral rule. As it relates to the consumer, I think I would say this, we saw a while back that I think those lower end consumers were being challenged. And again, I think it correlates with a lot of other retailers that are out there with inflation impacting other pieces of their lives, it's harder at the lower end. And we made some adjustments through our sales leadership to say, let's get people on board by having better financing terms for them to be able to get that first down payment and get them started. And so, we saw a little bit of a positive reaction to that.

Speaker 2

And I think we continue to. So we've not really seen any further deterioration. I do believe that consumers still challenged, mainly because of what I see in other, again, retailers as opposed to ours. So we want to do what we can to make sure we can accommodate them. And if that means stretching out terms a little bit, making the payments a little easier, we're going to try to do that to accommodate that consumer.

Speaker 4

Yes. On the FTC, I guess the short answer is there's really no update to give to you. So I'll just remind everybody where we are. We continue to work with the staff. We have a very good relationship with the staff of the FTC.

Speaker 4

We're ready to go at any point in time to adopt anything that we have. We're not expecting anything to surprise us. And ultimately, we don't think anything that's coming down the pipe that we know about such as pricing online, we do not expect that to have any material effect to our company. And as you know, we have a tremendous amount of our funeral homes already that have pricing online in different forms and fashions, whether starting at prices or just complete full premium pricing experiences digitally where you can really dive deep into that particular funeral homes offering and kind of everywhere in between. Ultimately, we think we will continue to go down that path.

Speaker 4

We'll continue to test. We'll continue most importantly to optimize the websites according to the tier of customer spend that we are dealing with at one particular funeral home and one particular market and we will go from there.

Operator

The next question comes from Joanna Gajuk with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Yes, hi. Thanks for the follow-up. I just want to clarify on the cemetery treated sales production commentary. So do you still expect to grow low single digits for the year? And then has anything changed in your kind of long term view of growth for the preneed cemetery sales production?

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes, Joanna, we do expect to end the year in the low single digits. And again, as we think about the outer years 25, 26, I think we feel better about getting back to that low to mid single digit because again with the stabilization of funeral volume, anticipated stabilization of funeral volume, we expect to be able to get there.

Speaker 3

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to STI Management for any closing remarks.

Speaker 4

Thanks, everybody. Thank you for joining us, and we will see you again at the end of October. Thanks, everybody.

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