NASDAQ:USAP Universal Stainless & Alloy Products Q2 2024 Earnings Report Earnings HistoryForecast Universal Stainless & Alloy Products EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.90Consensus EPS $0.52Beat/MissBeat by +$0.38One Year Ago EPS$0.10Universal Stainless & Alloy Products Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$82.76 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AUniversal Stainless & Alloy Products Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date7/31/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateWednesday, July 31, 2024Conference Call Time10:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Universal Stainless & Alloy Products Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 31, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00by. Welcome to the Universal Savings Second Quarter Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:27I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, June Filangeri. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:34Thank you, Jacinda. Good morning. This is June Filangeri of Comm Partners. And I also would like to welcome you to the Universal Stainless call and webcast. We are here to discuss the company's Q2 2024 results reported this morning. Speaker 100:00:51With us from management are Chris Zimmer, President and Chief Executive Officer John Arminis, Vice President and General Counsel and Steve DeTomaso, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before I turn the call over to management, let me quickly review procedures again. After management has made formal remarks, we will take your questions. Our conference operator will instruct you on procedures at that time. Also, please note that in this morning's call, management will make forward looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, I would like to remind you of the risks related to these statements, which are more fully described in today's press release and in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Speaker 100:01:42With these formalities complete, I would now like to turn the call over to Chris Zimmer. Chris, we are ready to begin. Speaker 200:01:51Thank you, June. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. The Q2 was a period of significant achievement for Universal. Sales reached a record $82,800,000 Gross margin hit an all time high of 25.4 percent of sales, record net income of $8,900,000 or $0.90 per diluted share and adjusted EBITDA was a record $18,500,000 or 22 percent of sales. Speaker 200:02:23Our ability to achieve this level of sales and profitability is the direct result of our strategic focus and capital investment in our aerospace market capacity and capabilities, namely in premium alloys and other critical products for commercial aircraft and defense applications. That focus has delivered a richer product mix and a broader base of customer approvals in a market with substantial growth potential for the foreseeable future. As evidence of our progress, we achieved record aerospace market sales of $68,600,000 in the 2nd quarter, representing 83% of total sales with premium alloys at 25% of total sales, mainly driven by aerospace. An important profitability driver is the targeted and sustainable margin improvement projects we continue to put in place. These projects combined with the change in our mix towards aerospace and premium products represent a structural change in the level of margin we are achieving. Speaker 200:03:28The acceleration of our margins in the 2nd quarter and the growth of our adjusted EBITDA, which increased 47% quarter over quarter and 135% year over year are indicators of this new level of profitability. Additionally, our 2nd quarter benefited from higher base selling prices along with stabilizing commodity prices. We continue to invest in our premium alloy capacity and we are adding a second 18 ton furnace shell for the VIM at our North Jackson facility in the middle of 2025 and a new box furnace this quarter to support growth at the forge. We also remain fully focused on managing working capital and generating positive cash flow to fund our strategic capital expenditures as well as paying down debt. In the Q2, net cash generated by operating activities totaled $7,300,000 and total debt reduction was another $3,000,000 bringing the total debt reduction over the past 4 quarters to $15,000,000 a decrease of 16%. Speaker 200:04:37Backlog remains solid at $297,000,000 at the end of the second quarter versus $325,000,000 at the end of the first quarter. We are continuing to work with customers to manage order entries in order to pull in lead times, which better serves them while strengthening our competitiveness. From an operation standpoint, total production in the 2nd quarter was up 4% sequentially. That follows a 12% sequential increase in the Q1 as we further benefit from our capital modernization projects throughout the plants. Through those projects, we are realizing process improvements and an increased stability in our manufacturing process, enabling our production levels to ramp. Speaker 200:05:26There was positive news on the workforce front earlier this month with the signing of a new 5 year collective bargaining agreement with the hourly production and maintenance employees at our North Jackson facility. It's a good contract serving the best interest of our employees, our customers and our shareholders. The capabilities of our North Jackson facility and our capital investments there have an essential role in our growth strategy. A further positive development in the Q2 was the return of Universal Stainless to the Russell 2,003,000 indexes. We believe it reflects our substantial progress over the past year in achieving our growth objectives and in building value for our shareholders. Speaker 200:06:14Turning to our end markets. Let me begin with aerospace. 2nd quarter sales were a record $68,600,000 up 14% from the Q1 and up 34% from the Q2 of 2023. Year to date sales increased 29% to $128,800,000 I've just returned from the Farnborough Air Show where the enthusiasm and optimism about the future of the aerospace market demand remain as strong as ever. The importance of the show for Universal was the opportunity to make further inroads in expanding our base of major customer approvals as well as in deepening current customer relationships on both commercial, aerospace and defense. Speaker 200:07:04We were successful on both fronts. As expected, Boeing and Airbus announced major deals at the show. They were encouraging wins for Boeing, including an order for 20 787 Dreamliners for Japan Airlines, an order for 20 777-9s from Qatar Airlines. Airbus also won orders, including one from Japan Airlines for both wide body aircraft and the single aisle 321neos. Boeing's focus at the air show was on safety, quality and their plan to meet customer commitments. Speaker 200:07:42While Boeing recently pushed back by a few months their production plans for the 7 37 MAX, COO, Stephanie Pope told reporters at the air show that they are seeing significant improvement in the flow of their 737 factory and she confirmed their production target of a steady rate of 38 737 MAX airplanes per month by the end of this year. They also plan to return to producing 5787s per month later this year as the supply of parts continues to improve. To date, Boeing has continued to work with the supply chain to ensure reliability and sufficient inventory for the ramp up in production rates. While our customers are closely monitoring the recent pushback in production target dates, we have only seen minimal order adjustments and there have been no cancellations. Confidence in aerospace demand is based on the fundamentals underpinning the commercial, airplane and defense aerospace market, which point to an extraordinary and sustainable growth opportunity. Speaker 200:08:48Not only has air travel recovered to pre COVID levels, but TSA screened a record 3,000,000 passengers on July 7. The surge in air travel and forecasts of continued growth are driving up demand from airlines for new, more fuel efficient planes to replace aging aircraft and support their fleet expansion plans. The need is increasingly urgent as airlines have had to postpone route expansions as they await overdue deliveries. Somewhat ironically, the delay in new planes is driving another aerospace segment, the parts aftermarket and MRO, which we estimate to be about 5% to 10% of our aerospace business. The potential size of the commercial aerospace market can be seen in the combined net bookings of Boeing and Airbus, which totals more than 14,000 aircraft. Speaker 200:09:44All of this translates into substantial need for premium alloys today and in the years to come. Strong fundamentals are also driving demand in defense. Ongoing geopolitical conflicts have resulted in record global military spending, which reached $2,400,000,000,000 in 2023, including increased military budgets at NATO countries. In the U. S, dollars 884,000,000,000 defense budget for 2024 is aimed at modernizing weapon systems and technology and expanding capacities and capabilities for advanced jet fighters, military helicopters, drones and combat vehicles all require specialty and premium alloys. Speaker 200:10:36The defense industry is a growing and increasingly important part of our aerospace sales representing 15% to 20 percent. That demand combined with strength in commercial aerospace and the extensive number of new OEM approvals that we have received in recent years are the primary drivers of our overall growth. Our company is in the strongest position we have been in to respond to the aerospace market opportunities. Turning to the balance of our markets. Heavy equipment market sales were $5,200,000 or 6.3 percent of the 2nd quarter sales, which is 11% lower than the Q1. Speaker 200:11:17Customers remained hesitant to build inventory in the face of changing market demand for EVs versus hybrids and gas engine vehicles. GM for example saw 2nd quarter sales strengthen in gas powered vehicles while the pace of growth of their EV models slowed. Given the slowing pace of EV demand growth, they are pushing back plans for a new Buick electric vehicle, although they do plan to introduce other new EV models in the coming months. Model changeovers are a positive driver of tool steel demand, whether for gas powered, hybrid or electric vehicles. We expect our heavy equipment market sales to pick up later in the year and in 2025 demand to return to historic robust sales levels post election once the automotive industry has better clarity and direction and the confidence to make substantial investments into new production lines. Speaker 200:12:17Energy market sales totaled $5,100,000 in the 2nd quarter or 6.2% of sales, which is 15% lower than the Q1, but up 17% from the Q2 last year. The energy category combines our oil and gas and power generation sales which we reported separately prior to 2024 and better reflects our strategy in the energy market as we have shifted production capacity to aerospace products in recent quarters. We plan to increase our energy market sales in future quarters as our production capacity continues to expand. General Industrial Markets totaled $3,300,000 or 4% of sales in the 2nd quarter, which is 22% lower than the Q1, but up 3% from the Q2 last year. We had expected our sales in this market to grow, which are mainly from semiconductor manufacturing, but general industry demand continues to remain modest. Speaker 200:13:23The long term prospects in this market remain positive as U. S. Semiconductor sales are continuing to gain traction amid the rapid development of AI and as semiconductor manufacturing returns to the U. S. With the help of the CHIPS Act. Speaker 200:13:38We expect our general industrial sales to improve post election and remain poised to benefit from strengthening market dynamics in 2025. Looking at the balance of the year, our strong backlog puts us in a great position to increase sales next quarter and further expand our margins, generating more free cash flow from operations. Now let me turn the call over to Steve for his report on our financials. Speaker 300:14:09Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone. As you can see in the numbers, our sales growth has continued in the Q2 consistent with our expectations. This is fueled by the effort from our team to execute on a robust market for our aerospace products, delivering record top line quarterly sales of $82,800,000 Our overall shipment volume increased compared with the Q1 by 2%. This included a strong increase in the aerospace end market shipments, partly offset by lower shipments in the heavy equipment end market, driven by soft demand and lower shipments of conversion services. Speaker 300:14:54Our expectation is strong recovery for heavy equipment in 2025 after completion of the U. S. Election cycle later this year. Additionally, continuous improvement projects layered throughout the organization have delivered lower costs and better yields. This has delivered record profitability as measured by gross margin, operating income, net income, EBITDA or adjusted EBITDA. Speaker 300:15:24Our diluted earnings per share of $0.90 trails only the Q4 of 2017, which benefited from tax adjustments driven by new tax laws and 2 quarters from much earlier in the company's history when the diluted share total was much lower. Gross margin totaled $21,000,000 in the 1st quarter or 25.4 percent of sales compared with 18.9 percent of sales last quarter and 14.3% in the Q1 of last year. The significant sequential improvement is primarily driven by 3 sustainable factors. First, the impact of cost and yield initiatives executed to specifically improve product profitability. Also a richer mix of aerospace products, and finally, the ongoing recognition of our higher base prices. Speaker 300:16:26Our expectation is to continue to drive profitable growth for the foreseeable future through execution of the margin project initiatives, while maximizing our supply to aerospace and defense. Selling, general and administrative costs totaled $8,200,000 in the 2nd quarter compared with $7,400,000 in the 1st quarter and $6,800,000 in the Q2 of last year. Quarterly SG and A has increased compared to 2023 due to higher employee related costs, business insurance expenses and audit and accounting support expenses. We expect SG and A to approximate $8,500,000 per quarter through the second half of this year. Our operating income for the quarter is $12,800,000 which is a company record. Speaker 300:17:28We committed on our last two calls that we will see meaningful operating income growth each quarter as the impact of the margin initiatives fall through to the income statement and we realize the benefit of the 16 price increases that were announced over the last 3 years. There is more good to come from both of those factors in the balance of the year. We also reduced interest expense by $150,000 to a total of $1,900,000 for the quarter. $100,000 of the decrease relates to our lower total debt levels and $50,000 relates to lower average interest rates. Term SOFR, which drives our rate for the majority of our debt was flat, but we achieved a 25 basis point reduction in our spread above SOFR for our bank debt near the end of the Q1. Speaker 300:18:29This reduction benefited Q2 and will benefit our rate going forward. And we have the opportunity to reduce the rate by another 25 basis points in Q3 and expect to see that benefit in the Q4 income statement. We recorded income tax expense of $2,100,000 for the Q1, resulting in an effective tax rate of about 19%. For the year to date, the effective tax rate is 19.3% and includes a projected annual ETR of 20% $100,000 $100,000 of a discrete benefit related to share based compensation items. Net income for the quarter was $8,900,000 or $0.90 per diluted share. Speaker 300:19:25This more than doubles Q1 diluted EPS and brings the year to date figure to 1.33 dollars The current quarter diluted EPS is the highest since Q1, 2007, excluding the Q4 of 2017, which benefited from the tax adjustment. EBITDA was 17,900,000 dollars Adjusted EBITDA includes an add back for non cash share compensation and was 18,500,000 dollars a 46% growth over Q1 and the highest level in company history. Our income adjusted for non cash items generated $16,200,000 during the quarter. We grew net working capital by $5,000,000 as AR grew from the timing of our Q2 sales and inventory grew along with increasing VIM melt production to support ramping VIM sales. We spent $5,500,000 on capital expenditures, bringing year to date CapEx to about 11,000,000 dollars We expect full year 2024 capital expenditures to total approximately $18,000,000 Our debt pay down was about $3,000,000 in Q2. Speaker 300:20:59We expect to pay down our revolver and decrease our net debt each quarter for the rest of the year. That concludes the financial update. And I'll hand the call back to Chris. Speaker 200:21:13Thanks, Steve. In summary, our sales and profitability reached new levels in the 2nd quarter with record sales of $82,800,000 record gross margin of 25.4 percent, record net income of $8,900,000 or $0.90 per diluted share and record adjusted EBITDA of $18,500,000 The combination of our focus on aerospace and premium alloys with targeted margin improvement projects has been transformational as we've created a structural change in the margins we can achieve. That change is sustainable going forward and we plan to build upon it. We continue to invest in our premium alloy capacity and efficiencies while also reducing debt. We remain fully focused on managing working capital, generating positive cash flow to further fund capital investments and debt reduction. Speaker 200:22:16For the balance of this year, we continue to see opportunities to grow our top line and expand our gross margin. As I said in today's release, we remain highly optimistic about our growth momentum and strategy for 2025 and beyond. This concludes our formal remarks. Operator, we're ready for questions. Operator00:22:38Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Phil Gibbs at KeyBanc. Speaker 400:23:20Hey, good morning. Speaker 200:23:21Hey, good morning, Phil. Speaker 400:23:24Question was just on some of the capital spending initiatives that you have and what you mentioned incrementally this morning. So currently you have the VARs being commissioned at the current time and then you mentioned more debottlenecking initiatives or growth in size of the potential on and the VIM that sounds like it's more relegated to next year, but kind of take us through where you are on some of the bigger items this year and then what you announced today and what the goals are? Speaker 200:24:09Yes. Our capital this year, capital spending is going to be in the $18,000,000 neighborhood. You can expect half of that, a little more than half of that to go towards what we call sustainability. So this is the maintenance and the upkeep of legacy equipment. We've got about $4,000,000 going towards modernization projects. Speaker 200:24:30So this is the ability for us to be able to implement technology throughout the plants, helping a new generation of workers in the plants work more efficiently and safely and get back to some of the production levels that we had enjoyed when we had what I call the pre COVID workforce and all the tribal knowledge that they contained. And these modernization efforts are really starting to take hold as we've been expanding our production levels each quarter. And finally, the growth in ROI side of the CapEx spending is going to be in the neighborhood of $5,000,000 to $6,000,000 These are going to be things like furnace capacity, number of the alloys that we're producing that are more advanced require a little bit more time in the furnaces. So we're adding furnace capacity at the forge and downstream, putting investments into a number of areas that are either down money for investments next year like the VIM or areas to be able to enhance our pull through on the finishing side. I give you a little bit of color. Speaker 200:25:42Hopefully that answers it, Bill. Speaker 400:25:46What would you describe as your primary bottleneck right now in terms of capacity or capability? And then secondly, on the labor front, are there any thoughts that you need to add into more targeted areas there? Or do you feel like you've got the right set of folks coming up the curve at the moment? Speaker 200:26:17Yes. So let me talk a little bit about what's been pacing lead times. For our premium products, VIM primary melt has been the area that has really been pacing lead times. We did have a very strong quarter ramping melt production there. We're on track to have another record production quarter at the VIM here in the 3rd quarter, all in line with what we've got baked into the backlog. Speaker 200:26:44Aside from VIM melt production pacing lead times, finishing, particularly on small diameters, has been another area that has also been pacing lead times simply because of the nature of the labor intensity of the smaller diameter product. From a labor standpoint, we have seen better stability, but I'm not where we want us to be. We still have opportunities to continue to pull through and retain workers at a higher level As we get them working safely and efficiently following instructions and working to the levels that we need them to work at, I think we're really close to getting back to those pre COVID production levels, which we're just shy of right now. But I expect as we move through the second half of this year into 2025, we'll return to those production levels. So labor has improved, it's stabilized, but I think we can still continue to get better fully staffing up and securing those reliable good workers that we need. Speaker 400:27:50And how should we be thinking about net working capital over the balance of the year? And then within that, have you and I know the margins have been obviously outstanding, but was there any misalignment still going on or is that still over? So I guess two questions, 1 on the net working capital and one on whether or not that there's any raw material misalignment? Speaker 200:28:14Yes. So you'll see that inventories went up a little bit in the Q2. The primary driver there is that we did get a little bit ahead of ourselves in melt by design late in the Q2 knowing that we had some planned annual maintenance outages at our melt shops. So we will bring our inventories and our working capital levels back down to ending first quarter levels by the time we exit the Q3 here. So getting those inventories back under control, getting back realigned on that commitment to grow our top line while keeping our inventory levels flat to down. Speaker 200:28:55And remind me your second question there, Phil. Speaker 400:28:58Was there any raw material misalignment in the second quarter? And what do you expect in the back half? Thanks. Speaker 200:29:05Yes, it was very minor. It was only an adverse about $500,000 to $600,000 that we see the misalignment impacting the Q2. It got to the point where we didn't specifically call it out. So just modestly negative, but we're now seeing enough stability in surcharges and in the raw material flows that I don't expect it to have any type of a misalignment here in the Q3. Speaker 400:29:32Thank you. Speaker 200:29:34You're welcome. Thank you, Phil. Operator00:29:40Thank you. Our next question comes from Bob Senols at LMK Capital Management. Speaker 500:29:47Hi, can you hear me? Speaker 200:29:49Yes. Hi, good morning, Bob. Speaker 500:29:51Good morning. Nice quarter. A couple of questions. First of all, on the premium alloy mix, how much if you were to guess, how much of that premium alloy goes into defense versus commercial aero? Speaker 200:30:11The majority. So the premium alloys lend themselves to structural components within defense applications both on fixed wing fighter craft and on helicopters. Their premium products also lend themselves to the engine part of this business. So obviously you've got engines and fighter jets, but these premium products are also going into engines that are in the commercial aerospace side of the business. So rough cut, I'd say about 2 thirds of those premium products are aligned with defense applications and about a third of it ultimately into engines for commercial applications. Speaker 500:30:53Okay, thank you. And then can you touch on the backlog a little bit? I think you mentioned can you expand on what you mentioned about the fact that order entry, you're working with customers on order entry. I assume that meant that earlier in the year, you were putting more orders into the system that you were constrained by and that's given some and you probably have some relief with throughput now, but I'm not sure I'm right. So can you expand on that a little bit? Speaker 200:31:27Yes. The primary driver there, as you look back, particularly in 2020 3 when we hit a high watermark for backlog, at that time we had premium alloy lead times that were out in the 70 to 80 week range depending upon the size range of products. It makes it very difficult for our customers to plan on demand being that far out with the visibility that they have. So we've been working with customers assuring them an allocation so that they feel comfortable that they are going to have a spot in line with us. But we've been walking back our lead times. Speaker 200:32:03And these days, we've gone from, call it, mid-70s to right around 45 to 50 week lead times on those premium alloys. And we've done that just by controlling order entry on a controlled basis, periodically opening up the order book for customers to layer in new orders. So that total level of demand on aggregate of what we expect in the quarters to come continues to increase, but we've just been walking in the lead times. So this has been very helpful to our customers. It's given them the ability to layer in a higher assurance that the sizes and the grades that they're ordering align with what they need. Speaker 200:32:44This has been a very good thing for customers and it's also helped to enhance us from a competitive standpoint. So as we continue to walk those lead times back in and ramp our production levels, it's going to put us in a better position to sustain our growth trajectory. Speaker 500:33:01What level do you feel will be for your premium? What level do you feel like will be normalized lead Speaker 200:33:11times? Well, that's a good question because I think we're still in an environment for the foreseeable future and by that I mean years where we've got an environment where demand is going to outpace supply. And I'm speaking for the industry, not just universal stainless. So the capacity is going to come as we ramp our efficiencies and we've got some modest increases that are going into the equipment at our VIM facility to be able to give us more capacity and throughput there. But I suspect that living in the, call it, 10 month to 14 month range industry wide is probably going to be the new norm. Speaker 200:33:52A lot of that is going to depend upon the sustained growth and demand of these premium alloys and the ability for Universal and the industry for that matter to continue to ramp our throughput and production levels. Okay. Speaker 500:34:05And then lastly in backlog, so we don't draw any erroneous conclusions. Do you expect backlog continues to trend down over the next several quarters as you make improvements or Operator00:34:22do you expect that it will maintain the level that Speaker 500:34:24we've seen this quarter? Speaker 200:34:27Well, I think my bias would be that it would move sideways to slightly down. Think the one wild card there is while it's clear that the aerospace and defense business continues to remain extremely strong, we continue to win new pockets of share as we gain approvals. But those markets outside of aerospace continue to be a bit muted. We think that some of it is tied to the election. The market is looking for some certainty moving forward. Speaker 200:34:57So we're turning in record results right now and we're not quite firing on all cylinders. Once that tool steel plate market, our heavy industry market starts to pick back up, energy market, semiconductor, that will help to bolster up our backlog and it's going to help to fuel the top line as well too. I've got a bit of a conservative approach. I'm not sure that we'll see that economic benefit in those other markets for us until the latter half of twenty twenty four going into 2025. But if the markets wake up and they decide that they want to start surging on order entry, we're poised and ready to be able to meet that demand. Speaker 500:35:40Thank you and congratulations on the performance. Speaker 200:35:44Thanks Bob. I appreciate it. Operator00:35:47Thank you. Our next question comes from Phil Gibbs at KeyBanc. Speaker 400:36:06Well, thank you. My question was around the comments in the release on the sustainable cost improvement or efficiencies that you garnered as part of your gross profit margin outcome, something certainly that appeared new to the discussion. So maybe talk a little bit about what that means and why you highlighted it this quarter? Thanks. Speaker 200:36:45Okay, sure. Yes, these I'm going to have Steve talk a little bit about it. He's worked closely with our industrial engineers, technology and operations group quantifying these initiatives to reduce material costs, ops costs, improve yields. So Steve, do you want to touch base a little bit on these initiatives and why we're just now calling it out? Speaker 300:37:07Sure. So we implemented some specific projects in our in 2023 as part of our 2024 plan to drive margin improvement. So some examples of those are actively reviewing heat charge makeups for our melt shops and we trialed and successfully implemented lower cost methods of melting product without sacrificing quality. Another example would be yield improvement. So we carved out subsets of our product categories. Speaker 300:37:46We attacked our flat rolled plate business and some different components of our round bar business to drive yield improvement. So as I described those, right, melts and yield improvement, they took some time and effort to implement. They work through our inventory and reach the P and L upon shipment. So we're really starting to see the benefits of those projects pop in Q2, which is why we're calling them out now. They're a significant part of that margin improvement. Speaker 300:38:20And we wanted to highlight them to drive home the message that they're sustainable. These are things that we've implemented and won't go away. Speaker 400:38:34Lastly for me, kind of on a different track, you've been adding capabilities to the operations recently and then also over time when you made the big acquisition a decade plus ago to sort of get you where you are with North Jackson. So there's certainly interest in building certain capabilities for the industry and there's a sort of a limited asset set of places that can do these things. Has that drawn more interest in the M and A environment? Is there do you think the M and A environment could get more active, I think, 1 by 1 by 1, we've seen, obviously, with the titanium operations that used to be out there in the marketplace, Latrobe or Laddish, things like that over time, PCC, things have kind of gotten gobbled up. So there's sort of a lack of kind of a lack of assets out there seemingly in your wheelhouse. Speaker 400:39:45But are there any thoughts that there should be more consolidation in the market? Is that something that's being talked about more broadly by the industry? Speaker 200:39:57Yes. I think you're spot on, on the idea that what we do is a unique spot in the specialty metals industry. There's not a lot of players out there doing what we do. We know about Synchronoss acquiring Haynes. It looks like that deal is getting ready to go through final approvals and to happen. Speaker 200:40:16As a public company, we're always susceptible to having those types of discussions, but I can tell you that our focus right now has been around executing on our strategy. We've got a big backlog that we need to be able to eat into that I think it's going to continue to drive better results. As we look around the industry at opportunities for us to be able to supplement our growth, where we can find capacities, we're utilizing them, assets out there in the marketplace that had historically supported automotive demand, for example, being able to partner up with some people to help us on the finishing side. And we do that in kind too wherever we've got some available capacities, we'll offer out those conversion services to other customers. But you're right, the market is tight. Speaker 200:41:05BIM supply is tight. Demand is fantastic and it's only going to get stronger. But this is an industry that needs to find a way to grow, it needs to find a way to support all these planes that we need to build. But in short, our focus right now is just being able to execute, realize the full potential of the assets that we have, a very organic structure there, but keeping our eyes open on ways that we can find partners to help us accelerate that growth. Speaker 400:41:38Thanks, Chris and team. Appreciate it. Operator00:41:42Thank you. Our next question comes from Bob Sells at L&K Capital Management. Speaker 500:41:54Chris, I did have one more question for you. You don't consistently tell Denny Oates that this business is really easy to run, do you? Speaker 200:42:05No, no, no. I've been having fun in the new role. We've got a really good team here. So it's made the successful transition a lot easier on me because we've got a really good team here. Speaker 500:42:18I'm sure Denny is listening, so I couldn't resist the question. Operator00:42:27Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call over back to Chris Zimmer for closing remarks. Speaker 200:42:39Thank you. Thank you everyone for joining us this morning. The first half of twenty twenty four was one of substantial progress and momentum and we're focused on continuing to achieve both of those during the rest of this year. I look forward to updating you all in the progress during our Q3 call. Thanks and have a great day. Operator00:43:02Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00by. Welcome to the Universal Savings Second Quarter Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:27I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, June Filangeri. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:34Thank you, Jacinda. Good morning. This is June Filangeri of Comm Partners. And I also would like to welcome you to the Universal Stainless call and webcast. We are here to discuss the company's Q2 2024 results reported this morning. Speaker 100:00:51With us from management are Chris Zimmer, President and Chief Executive Officer John Arminis, Vice President and General Counsel and Steve DeTomaso, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before I turn the call over to management, let me quickly review procedures again. After management has made formal remarks, we will take your questions. Our conference operator will instruct you on procedures at that time. Also, please note that in this morning's call, management will make forward looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, I would like to remind you of the risks related to these statements, which are more fully described in today's press release and in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Speaker 100:01:42With these formalities complete, I would now like to turn the call over to Chris Zimmer. Chris, we are ready to begin. Speaker 200:01:51Thank you, June. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. The Q2 was a period of significant achievement for Universal. Sales reached a record $82,800,000 Gross margin hit an all time high of 25.4 percent of sales, record net income of $8,900,000 or $0.90 per diluted share and adjusted EBITDA was a record $18,500,000 or 22 percent of sales. Speaker 200:02:23Our ability to achieve this level of sales and profitability is the direct result of our strategic focus and capital investment in our aerospace market capacity and capabilities, namely in premium alloys and other critical products for commercial aircraft and defense applications. That focus has delivered a richer product mix and a broader base of customer approvals in a market with substantial growth potential for the foreseeable future. As evidence of our progress, we achieved record aerospace market sales of $68,600,000 in the 2nd quarter, representing 83% of total sales with premium alloys at 25% of total sales, mainly driven by aerospace. An important profitability driver is the targeted and sustainable margin improvement projects we continue to put in place. These projects combined with the change in our mix towards aerospace and premium products represent a structural change in the level of margin we are achieving. Speaker 200:03:28The acceleration of our margins in the 2nd quarter and the growth of our adjusted EBITDA, which increased 47% quarter over quarter and 135% year over year are indicators of this new level of profitability. Additionally, our 2nd quarter benefited from higher base selling prices along with stabilizing commodity prices. We continue to invest in our premium alloy capacity and we are adding a second 18 ton furnace shell for the VIM at our North Jackson facility in the middle of 2025 and a new box furnace this quarter to support growth at the forge. We also remain fully focused on managing working capital and generating positive cash flow to fund our strategic capital expenditures as well as paying down debt. In the Q2, net cash generated by operating activities totaled $7,300,000 and total debt reduction was another $3,000,000 bringing the total debt reduction over the past 4 quarters to $15,000,000 a decrease of 16%. Speaker 200:04:37Backlog remains solid at $297,000,000 at the end of the second quarter versus $325,000,000 at the end of the first quarter. We are continuing to work with customers to manage order entries in order to pull in lead times, which better serves them while strengthening our competitiveness. From an operation standpoint, total production in the 2nd quarter was up 4% sequentially. That follows a 12% sequential increase in the Q1 as we further benefit from our capital modernization projects throughout the plants. Through those projects, we are realizing process improvements and an increased stability in our manufacturing process, enabling our production levels to ramp. Speaker 200:05:26There was positive news on the workforce front earlier this month with the signing of a new 5 year collective bargaining agreement with the hourly production and maintenance employees at our North Jackson facility. It's a good contract serving the best interest of our employees, our customers and our shareholders. The capabilities of our North Jackson facility and our capital investments there have an essential role in our growth strategy. A further positive development in the Q2 was the return of Universal Stainless to the Russell 2,003,000 indexes. We believe it reflects our substantial progress over the past year in achieving our growth objectives and in building value for our shareholders. Speaker 200:06:14Turning to our end markets. Let me begin with aerospace. 2nd quarter sales were a record $68,600,000 up 14% from the Q1 and up 34% from the Q2 of 2023. Year to date sales increased 29% to $128,800,000 I've just returned from the Farnborough Air Show where the enthusiasm and optimism about the future of the aerospace market demand remain as strong as ever. The importance of the show for Universal was the opportunity to make further inroads in expanding our base of major customer approvals as well as in deepening current customer relationships on both commercial, aerospace and defense. Speaker 200:07:04We were successful on both fronts. As expected, Boeing and Airbus announced major deals at the show. They were encouraging wins for Boeing, including an order for 20 787 Dreamliners for Japan Airlines, an order for 20 777-9s from Qatar Airlines. Airbus also won orders, including one from Japan Airlines for both wide body aircraft and the single aisle 321neos. Boeing's focus at the air show was on safety, quality and their plan to meet customer commitments. Speaker 200:07:42While Boeing recently pushed back by a few months their production plans for the 7 37 MAX, COO, Stephanie Pope told reporters at the air show that they are seeing significant improvement in the flow of their 737 factory and she confirmed their production target of a steady rate of 38 737 MAX airplanes per month by the end of this year. They also plan to return to producing 5787s per month later this year as the supply of parts continues to improve. To date, Boeing has continued to work with the supply chain to ensure reliability and sufficient inventory for the ramp up in production rates. While our customers are closely monitoring the recent pushback in production target dates, we have only seen minimal order adjustments and there have been no cancellations. Confidence in aerospace demand is based on the fundamentals underpinning the commercial, airplane and defense aerospace market, which point to an extraordinary and sustainable growth opportunity. Speaker 200:08:48Not only has air travel recovered to pre COVID levels, but TSA screened a record 3,000,000 passengers on July 7. The surge in air travel and forecasts of continued growth are driving up demand from airlines for new, more fuel efficient planes to replace aging aircraft and support their fleet expansion plans. The need is increasingly urgent as airlines have had to postpone route expansions as they await overdue deliveries. Somewhat ironically, the delay in new planes is driving another aerospace segment, the parts aftermarket and MRO, which we estimate to be about 5% to 10% of our aerospace business. The potential size of the commercial aerospace market can be seen in the combined net bookings of Boeing and Airbus, which totals more than 14,000 aircraft. Speaker 200:09:44All of this translates into substantial need for premium alloys today and in the years to come. Strong fundamentals are also driving demand in defense. Ongoing geopolitical conflicts have resulted in record global military spending, which reached $2,400,000,000,000 in 2023, including increased military budgets at NATO countries. In the U. S, dollars 884,000,000,000 defense budget for 2024 is aimed at modernizing weapon systems and technology and expanding capacities and capabilities for advanced jet fighters, military helicopters, drones and combat vehicles all require specialty and premium alloys. Speaker 200:10:36The defense industry is a growing and increasingly important part of our aerospace sales representing 15% to 20 percent. That demand combined with strength in commercial aerospace and the extensive number of new OEM approvals that we have received in recent years are the primary drivers of our overall growth. Our company is in the strongest position we have been in to respond to the aerospace market opportunities. Turning to the balance of our markets. Heavy equipment market sales were $5,200,000 or 6.3 percent of the 2nd quarter sales, which is 11% lower than the Q1. Speaker 200:11:17Customers remained hesitant to build inventory in the face of changing market demand for EVs versus hybrids and gas engine vehicles. GM for example saw 2nd quarter sales strengthen in gas powered vehicles while the pace of growth of their EV models slowed. Given the slowing pace of EV demand growth, they are pushing back plans for a new Buick electric vehicle, although they do plan to introduce other new EV models in the coming months. Model changeovers are a positive driver of tool steel demand, whether for gas powered, hybrid or electric vehicles. We expect our heavy equipment market sales to pick up later in the year and in 2025 demand to return to historic robust sales levels post election once the automotive industry has better clarity and direction and the confidence to make substantial investments into new production lines. Speaker 200:12:17Energy market sales totaled $5,100,000 in the 2nd quarter or 6.2% of sales, which is 15% lower than the Q1, but up 17% from the Q2 last year. The energy category combines our oil and gas and power generation sales which we reported separately prior to 2024 and better reflects our strategy in the energy market as we have shifted production capacity to aerospace products in recent quarters. We plan to increase our energy market sales in future quarters as our production capacity continues to expand. General Industrial Markets totaled $3,300,000 or 4% of sales in the 2nd quarter, which is 22% lower than the Q1, but up 3% from the Q2 last year. We had expected our sales in this market to grow, which are mainly from semiconductor manufacturing, but general industry demand continues to remain modest. Speaker 200:13:23The long term prospects in this market remain positive as U. S. Semiconductor sales are continuing to gain traction amid the rapid development of AI and as semiconductor manufacturing returns to the U. S. With the help of the CHIPS Act. Speaker 200:13:38We expect our general industrial sales to improve post election and remain poised to benefit from strengthening market dynamics in 2025. Looking at the balance of the year, our strong backlog puts us in a great position to increase sales next quarter and further expand our margins, generating more free cash flow from operations. Now let me turn the call over to Steve for his report on our financials. Speaker 300:14:09Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone. As you can see in the numbers, our sales growth has continued in the Q2 consistent with our expectations. This is fueled by the effort from our team to execute on a robust market for our aerospace products, delivering record top line quarterly sales of $82,800,000 Our overall shipment volume increased compared with the Q1 by 2%. This included a strong increase in the aerospace end market shipments, partly offset by lower shipments in the heavy equipment end market, driven by soft demand and lower shipments of conversion services. Speaker 300:14:54Our expectation is strong recovery for heavy equipment in 2025 after completion of the U. S. Election cycle later this year. Additionally, continuous improvement projects layered throughout the organization have delivered lower costs and better yields. This has delivered record profitability as measured by gross margin, operating income, net income, EBITDA or adjusted EBITDA. Speaker 300:15:24Our diluted earnings per share of $0.90 trails only the Q4 of 2017, which benefited from tax adjustments driven by new tax laws and 2 quarters from much earlier in the company's history when the diluted share total was much lower. Gross margin totaled $21,000,000 in the 1st quarter or 25.4 percent of sales compared with 18.9 percent of sales last quarter and 14.3% in the Q1 of last year. The significant sequential improvement is primarily driven by 3 sustainable factors. First, the impact of cost and yield initiatives executed to specifically improve product profitability. Also a richer mix of aerospace products, and finally, the ongoing recognition of our higher base prices. Speaker 300:16:26Our expectation is to continue to drive profitable growth for the foreseeable future through execution of the margin project initiatives, while maximizing our supply to aerospace and defense. Selling, general and administrative costs totaled $8,200,000 in the 2nd quarter compared with $7,400,000 in the 1st quarter and $6,800,000 in the Q2 of last year. Quarterly SG and A has increased compared to 2023 due to higher employee related costs, business insurance expenses and audit and accounting support expenses. We expect SG and A to approximate $8,500,000 per quarter through the second half of this year. Our operating income for the quarter is $12,800,000 which is a company record. Speaker 300:17:28We committed on our last two calls that we will see meaningful operating income growth each quarter as the impact of the margin initiatives fall through to the income statement and we realize the benefit of the 16 price increases that were announced over the last 3 years. There is more good to come from both of those factors in the balance of the year. We also reduced interest expense by $150,000 to a total of $1,900,000 for the quarter. $100,000 of the decrease relates to our lower total debt levels and $50,000 relates to lower average interest rates. Term SOFR, which drives our rate for the majority of our debt was flat, but we achieved a 25 basis point reduction in our spread above SOFR for our bank debt near the end of the Q1. Speaker 300:18:29This reduction benefited Q2 and will benefit our rate going forward. And we have the opportunity to reduce the rate by another 25 basis points in Q3 and expect to see that benefit in the Q4 income statement. We recorded income tax expense of $2,100,000 for the Q1, resulting in an effective tax rate of about 19%. For the year to date, the effective tax rate is 19.3% and includes a projected annual ETR of 20% $100,000 $100,000 of a discrete benefit related to share based compensation items. Net income for the quarter was $8,900,000 or $0.90 per diluted share. Speaker 300:19:25This more than doubles Q1 diluted EPS and brings the year to date figure to 1.33 dollars The current quarter diluted EPS is the highest since Q1, 2007, excluding the Q4 of 2017, which benefited from the tax adjustment. EBITDA was 17,900,000 dollars Adjusted EBITDA includes an add back for non cash share compensation and was 18,500,000 dollars a 46% growth over Q1 and the highest level in company history. Our income adjusted for non cash items generated $16,200,000 during the quarter. We grew net working capital by $5,000,000 as AR grew from the timing of our Q2 sales and inventory grew along with increasing VIM melt production to support ramping VIM sales. We spent $5,500,000 on capital expenditures, bringing year to date CapEx to about 11,000,000 dollars We expect full year 2024 capital expenditures to total approximately $18,000,000 Our debt pay down was about $3,000,000 in Q2. Speaker 300:20:59We expect to pay down our revolver and decrease our net debt each quarter for the rest of the year. That concludes the financial update. And I'll hand the call back to Chris. Speaker 200:21:13Thanks, Steve. In summary, our sales and profitability reached new levels in the 2nd quarter with record sales of $82,800,000 record gross margin of 25.4 percent, record net income of $8,900,000 or $0.90 per diluted share and record adjusted EBITDA of $18,500,000 The combination of our focus on aerospace and premium alloys with targeted margin improvement projects has been transformational as we've created a structural change in the margins we can achieve. That change is sustainable going forward and we plan to build upon it. We continue to invest in our premium alloy capacity and efficiencies while also reducing debt. We remain fully focused on managing working capital, generating positive cash flow to further fund capital investments and debt reduction. Speaker 200:22:16For the balance of this year, we continue to see opportunities to grow our top line and expand our gross margin. As I said in today's release, we remain highly optimistic about our growth momentum and strategy for 2025 and beyond. This concludes our formal remarks. Operator, we're ready for questions. Operator00:22:38Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Phil Gibbs at KeyBanc. Speaker 400:23:20Hey, good morning. Speaker 200:23:21Hey, good morning, Phil. Speaker 400:23:24Question was just on some of the capital spending initiatives that you have and what you mentioned incrementally this morning. So currently you have the VARs being commissioned at the current time and then you mentioned more debottlenecking initiatives or growth in size of the potential on and the VIM that sounds like it's more relegated to next year, but kind of take us through where you are on some of the bigger items this year and then what you announced today and what the goals are? Speaker 200:24:09Yes. Our capital this year, capital spending is going to be in the $18,000,000 neighborhood. You can expect half of that, a little more than half of that to go towards what we call sustainability. So this is the maintenance and the upkeep of legacy equipment. We've got about $4,000,000 going towards modernization projects. Speaker 200:24:30So this is the ability for us to be able to implement technology throughout the plants, helping a new generation of workers in the plants work more efficiently and safely and get back to some of the production levels that we had enjoyed when we had what I call the pre COVID workforce and all the tribal knowledge that they contained. And these modernization efforts are really starting to take hold as we've been expanding our production levels each quarter. And finally, the growth in ROI side of the CapEx spending is going to be in the neighborhood of $5,000,000 to $6,000,000 These are going to be things like furnace capacity, number of the alloys that we're producing that are more advanced require a little bit more time in the furnaces. So we're adding furnace capacity at the forge and downstream, putting investments into a number of areas that are either down money for investments next year like the VIM or areas to be able to enhance our pull through on the finishing side. I give you a little bit of color. Speaker 200:25:42Hopefully that answers it, Bill. Speaker 400:25:46What would you describe as your primary bottleneck right now in terms of capacity or capability? And then secondly, on the labor front, are there any thoughts that you need to add into more targeted areas there? Or do you feel like you've got the right set of folks coming up the curve at the moment? Speaker 200:26:17Yes. So let me talk a little bit about what's been pacing lead times. For our premium products, VIM primary melt has been the area that has really been pacing lead times. We did have a very strong quarter ramping melt production there. We're on track to have another record production quarter at the VIM here in the 3rd quarter, all in line with what we've got baked into the backlog. Speaker 200:26:44Aside from VIM melt production pacing lead times, finishing, particularly on small diameters, has been another area that has also been pacing lead times simply because of the nature of the labor intensity of the smaller diameter product. From a labor standpoint, we have seen better stability, but I'm not where we want us to be. We still have opportunities to continue to pull through and retain workers at a higher level As we get them working safely and efficiently following instructions and working to the levels that we need them to work at, I think we're really close to getting back to those pre COVID production levels, which we're just shy of right now. But I expect as we move through the second half of this year into 2025, we'll return to those production levels. So labor has improved, it's stabilized, but I think we can still continue to get better fully staffing up and securing those reliable good workers that we need. Speaker 400:27:50And how should we be thinking about net working capital over the balance of the year? And then within that, have you and I know the margins have been obviously outstanding, but was there any misalignment still going on or is that still over? So I guess two questions, 1 on the net working capital and one on whether or not that there's any raw material misalignment? Speaker 200:28:14Yes. So you'll see that inventories went up a little bit in the Q2. The primary driver there is that we did get a little bit ahead of ourselves in melt by design late in the Q2 knowing that we had some planned annual maintenance outages at our melt shops. So we will bring our inventories and our working capital levels back down to ending first quarter levels by the time we exit the Q3 here. So getting those inventories back under control, getting back realigned on that commitment to grow our top line while keeping our inventory levels flat to down. Speaker 200:28:55And remind me your second question there, Phil. Speaker 400:28:58Was there any raw material misalignment in the second quarter? And what do you expect in the back half? Thanks. Speaker 200:29:05Yes, it was very minor. It was only an adverse about $500,000 to $600,000 that we see the misalignment impacting the Q2. It got to the point where we didn't specifically call it out. So just modestly negative, but we're now seeing enough stability in surcharges and in the raw material flows that I don't expect it to have any type of a misalignment here in the Q3. Speaker 400:29:32Thank you. Speaker 200:29:34You're welcome. Thank you, Phil. Operator00:29:40Thank you. Our next question comes from Bob Senols at LMK Capital Management. Speaker 500:29:47Hi, can you hear me? Speaker 200:29:49Yes. Hi, good morning, Bob. Speaker 500:29:51Good morning. Nice quarter. A couple of questions. First of all, on the premium alloy mix, how much if you were to guess, how much of that premium alloy goes into defense versus commercial aero? Speaker 200:30:11The majority. So the premium alloys lend themselves to structural components within defense applications both on fixed wing fighter craft and on helicopters. Their premium products also lend themselves to the engine part of this business. So obviously you've got engines and fighter jets, but these premium products are also going into engines that are in the commercial aerospace side of the business. So rough cut, I'd say about 2 thirds of those premium products are aligned with defense applications and about a third of it ultimately into engines for commercial applications. Speaker 500:30:53Okay, thank you. And then can you touch on the backlog a little bit? I think you mentioned can you expand on what you mentioned about the fact that order entry, you're working with customers on order entry. I assume that meant that earlier in the year, you were putting more orders into the system that you were constrained by and that's given some and you probably have some relief with throughput now, but I'm not sure I'm right. So can you expand on that a little bit? Speaker 200:31:27Yes. The primary driver there, as you look back, particularly in 2020 3 when we hit a high watermark for backlog, at that time we had premium alloy lead times that were out in the 70 to 80 week range depending upon the size range of products. It makes it very difficult for our customers to plan on demand being that far out with the visibility that they have. So we've been working with customers assuring them an allocation so that they feel comfortable that they are going to have a spot in line with us. But we've been walking back our lead times. Speaker 200:32:03And these days, we've gone from, call it, mid-70s to right around 45 to 50 week lead times on those premium alloys. And we've done that just by controlling order entry on a controlled basis, periodically opening up the order book for customers to layer in new orders. So that total level of demand on aggregate of what we expect in the quarters to come continues to increase, but we've just been walking in the lead times. So this has been very helpful to our customers. It's given them the ability to layer in a higher assurance that the sizes and the grades that they're ordering align with what they need. Speaker 200:32:44This has been a very good thing for customers and it's also helped to enhance us from a competitive standpoint. So as we continue to walk those lead times back in and ramp our production levels, it's going to put us in a better position to sustain our growth trajectory. Speaker 500:33:01What level do you feel will be for your premium? What level do you feel like will be normalized lead Speaker 200:33:11times? Well, that's a good question because I think we're still in an environment for the foreseeable future and by that I mean years where we've got an environment where demand is going to outpace supply. And I'm speaking for the industry, not just universal stainless. So the capacity is going to come as we ramp our efficiencies and we've got some modest increases that are going into the equipment at our VIM facility to be able to give us more capacity and throughput there. But I suspect that living in the, call it, 10 month to 14 month range industry wide is probably going to be the new norm. Speaker 200:33:52A lot of that is going to depend upon the sustained growth and demand of these premium alloys and the ability for Universal and the industry for that matter to continue to ramp our throughput and production levels. Okay. Speaker 500:34:05And then lastly in backlog, so we don't draw any erroneous conclusions. Do you expect backlog continues to trend down over the next several quarters as you make improvements or Operator00:34:22do you expect that it will maintain the level that Speaker 500:34:24we've seen this quarter? Speaker 200:34:27Well, I think my bias would be that it would move sideways to slightly down. Think the one wild card there is while it's clear that the aerospace and defense business continues to remain extremely strong, we continue to win new pockets of share as we gain approvals. But those markets outside of aerospace continue to be a bit muted. We think that some of it is tied to the election. The market is looking for some certainty moving forward. Speaker 200:34:57So we're turning in record results right now and we're not quite firing on all cylinders. Once that tool steel plate market, our heavy industry market starts to pick back up, energy market, semiconductor, that will help to bolster up our backlog and it's going to help to fuel the top line as well too. I've got a bit of a conservative approach. I'm not sure that we'll see that economic benefit in those other markets for us until the latter half of twenty twenty four going into 2025. But if the markets wake up and they decide that they want to start surging on order entry, we're poised and ready to be able to meet that demand. Speaker 500:35:40Thank you and congratulations on the performance. Speaker 200:35:44Thanks Bob. I appreciate it. Operator00:35:47Thank you. Our next question comes from Phil Gibbs at KeyBanc. Speaker 400:36:06Well, thank you. My question was around the comments in the release on the sustainable cost improvement or efficiencies that you garnered as part of your gross profit margin outcome, something certainly that appeared new to the discussion. So maybe talk a little bit about what that means and why you highlighted it this quarter? Thanks. Speaker 200:36:45Okay, sure. Yes, these I'm going to have Steve talk a little bit about it. He's worked closely with our industrial engineers, technology and operations group quantifying these initiatives to reduce material costs, ops costs, improve yields. So Steve, do you want to touch base a little bit on these initiatives and why we're just now calling it out? Speaker 300:37:07Sure. So we implemented some specific projects in our in 2023 as part of our 2024 plan to drive margin improvement. So some examples of those are actively reviewing heat charge makeups for our melt shops and we trialed and successfully implemented lower cost methods of melting product without sacrificing quality. Another example would be yield improvement. So we carved out subsets of our product categories. Speaker 300:37:46We attacked our flat rolled plate business and some different components of our round bar business to drive yield improvement. So as I described those, right, melts and yield improvement, they took some time and effort to implement. They work through our inventory and reach the P and L upon shipment. So we're really starting to see the benefits of those projects pop in Q2, which is why we're calling them out now. They're a significant part of that margin improvement. Speaker 300:38:20And we wanted to highlight them to drive home the message that they're sustainable. These are things that we've implemented and won't go away. Speaker 400:38:34Lastly for me, kind of on a different track, you've been adding capabilities to the operations recently and then also over time when you made the big acquisition a decade plus ago to sort of get you where you are with North Jackson. So there's certainly interest in building certain capabilities for the industry and there's a sort of a limited asset set of places that can do these things. Has that drawn more interest in the M and A environment? Is there do you think the M and A environment could get more active, I think, 1 by 1 by 1, we've seen, obviously, with the titanium operations that used to be out there in the marketplace, Latrobe or Laddish, things like that over time, PCC, things have kind of gotten gobbled up. So there's sort of a lack of kind of a lack of assets out there seemingly in your wheelhouse. Speaker 400:39:45But are there any thoughts that there should be more consolidation in the market? Is that something that's being talked about more broadly by the industry? Speaker 200:39:57Yes. I think you're spot on, on the idea that what we do is a unique spot in the specialty metals industry. There's not a lot of players out there doing what we do. We know about Synchronoss acquiring Haynes. It looks like that deal is getting ready to go through final approvals and to happen. Speaker 200:40:16As a public company, we're always susceptible to having those types of discussions, but I can tell you that our focus right now has been around executing on our strategy. We've got a big backlog that we need to be able to eat into that I think it's going to continue to drive better results. As we look around the industry at opportunities for us to be able to supplement our growth, where we can find capacities, we're utilizing them, assets out there in the marketplace that had historically supported automotive demand, for example, being able to partner up with some people to help us on the finishing side. And we do that in kind too wherever we've got some available capacities, we'll offer out those conversion services to other customers. But you're right, the market is tight. Speaker 200:41:05BIM supply is tight. Demand is fantastic and it's only going to get stronger. But this is an industry that needs to find a way to grow, it needs to find a way to support all these planes that we need to build. But in short, our focus right now is just being able to execute, realize the full potential of the assets that we have, a very organic structure there, but keeping our eyes open on ways that we can find partners to help us accelerate that growth. Speaker 400:41:38Thanks, Chris and team. Appreciate it. Operator00:41:42Thank you. Our next question comes from Bob Sells at L&K Capital Management. Speaker 500:41:54Chris, I did have one more question for you. You don't consistently tell Denny Oates that this business is really easy to run, do you? Speaker 200:42:05No, no, no. I've been having fun in the new role. We've got a really good team here. So it's made the successful transition a lot easier on me because we've got a really good team here. Speaker 500:42:18I'm sure Denny is listening, so I couldn't resist the question. Operator00:42:27Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call over back to Chris Zimmer for closing remarks. Speaker 200:42:39Thank you. Thank you everyone for joining us this morning. The first half of twenty twenty four was one of substantial progress and momentum and we're focused on continuing to achieve both of those during the rest of this year. I look forward to updating you all in the progress during our Q3 call. Thanks and have a great day. Operator00:43:02Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by