Leggett & Platt Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 2, 2024

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Leggett and Platt Second Quarter 20 24 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Casey Branscum, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Operator

Thank you. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to Leggett and Platt's Q2 2024 Earnings Call. With me on the call today are Carl Glassman, CEO Ben Burns, CFO Tyson Hagel, President of the Bedding Products Segment Sam Smith, President of the Furniture, Flooring and Textile Products Segment and Kalina Talbert, Manager of Investor Relations. The agenda for our call this morning is as follows: Carl will discuss our current priorities and demand trends Ben will cover our operating results and additional financial details, including a restructuring update and address our revised outlook for 2024 and the group will answer any questions you have. This conference call is being recorded for Leggett and Platt and is copyrighted material. This call may not be transcribed, recorded or broadcast without our expressed permission.

Speaker 1

A replay will be available on the Investor Relations section of our website. We posted to the IR section of our website yesterday's press release and a set of slides that contain summary financial information along with segment details and a restructuring update. Those documents supplement the information we discuss on this call, including non GAAP reconciliations. Remarks today concerning future expectations, events, objectives, strategies, trends or results constitute forward looking statements. Actual results or events may differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties, and the company undertakes no obligation to update or revise these statements.

Speaker 1

For a summary of these risk factors and additional information, please refer to yesterday's press release and the sections in our most recent 10 ks and subsequent 10 Q entitled Risk Factors and Forward Looking Statements. I'll now turn the call over to Carl.

Speaker 2

Good morning, and thank you for joining our call today. Upon returning to the CEO role in late May, I hit the ground running and have spent a significant amount of time with our team focusing on both our near term initiatives and longer term outlook. My priorities are centered around transparent communication with internal and external stakeholders, identifying opportunities for quick wins to drive improved profitability and empowering our people to tackle those projects, ensuring there are clear timelines and accountability for activities underway and acting with a sense of urgency across the business. I am also focused on ensuring that we have a strong team to help move the business forward. And on that note, I'm pleased to share that Cassie has decided to stay with the company and will continue to lead our IR function.

Speaker 2

Furthermore, I would like to welcome Sam Smith, President of the Furniture, Flooring and Textiles Product segment to the call today. Sam is joining us to participate in Q and A and will be a regular participant on these calls going forward. Sam joined Leggett 10 years ago and has held several operational roles of increasing responsibility within our home furniture business. He has already spent a tremendous amount of time collaborating with the management teams of each business within the segment as well as assisting me with operational efficiency improvements in the Specialized Products segment. I want to emphasize that the strategic priorities discussed on last quarter's earnings call will remain our near to midterm priorities.

Speaker 2

As a reminder, those priorities are strengthening our balance sheet and liquidity, improving margins by optimizing operations and our general and administrative cost structure and positioning the company for profitable growth opportunities. As you know, last quarter, we announced the decision to reduce our dividend. Although it was a difficult decision. Management and the Board of Directors unanimously agreed that it was the right course of action. We remain committed to maintaining our long held financial strength and the dividend reduction will help solidify our foundation.

Speaker 2

Shareholder returns also remain an important long term capital allocation priority. While our near term focus is on paying down debt and continuing to invest in our businesses, in the future, we expect to more frequently utilize share repurchases to return capital to shareholders. We continue to work toward improved profitability through execution of our restructuring plan and other operational improvement initiatives. The restructuring plan is on track and some elements of the plan are progressing ahead of schedule and exceeding expectations. In bedding products, we expect restructuring activities within U.

Speaker 2

S. Spring to be complete by year end. Through the first half, we have shifted the majority of our Innerspring volume into our 4 larger remaining spring production facilities. In early Q3, we completed the transition of all innerspring production. The team has done a fantastic job working with our customers to ensure that there are no disruptions during this process and we now anticipate minimal sales attrition within U.

Speaker 2

S. Spring. We are also seeing improved efficiency flow through our remaining innerspring facilities earlier than expected and anticipate that future improvements in demand will drive incremental efficiency gains. Restructuring activities within specialty foam are well underway. We have closed 1 small operation and 2 additional facility consolidations are in process and should be complete by year end.

Speaker 2

Internationally, we have substantially completed downsizing our Chinese innerspring operation. We still anticipate that all betting restructuring actions will be complete by the end of 2025. In the Furniture, Flooring and Textile Products segment, restructuring initiatives are also on track. Our home furniture restructuring activity is essentially complete and we expect to complete Phase 1 of our flooring products restructuring by the end of the year. Our 2nd phase of restructuring activity in flooring products will wrap up in the first half of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2

As we continue to drive operational improvements across the company, we have identified and initiated a small restructuring opportunity within our specialized product segment. Our hydraulic cylinders team is working to increase profitability through manufacturing optimization and operating efficiency improvements. We previously shared that we are initiating a review of our general and administrative cost structure and we remain optimistic about the potential returns from this activity. In the second quarter, we completed a thorough analysis are working to identify the greatest opportunities for improvement, design necessary organizational changes and organize projects to further streamline processes and resources. Looking ahead, we remain committed to long term investment in our key businesses, including bedding, automotive and geo components.

Speaker 2

We are confident that our refocused bedding strategy, which leverages our innerspring and specialty foam innovation to target growth in higher valued semi finished and finished products is the right path forward. Our automotive business remains healthy and has further growth potential in both comfort and convenience products such as motors and actuators, and we expect to capture additional growth opportunities in our geo components business as we expand our product lines and geographic footprint. Additionally, we are currently conducting a strategic review of our diverse portfolio, asking ourselves if we are the rightful owner of each business and how each one fits into our long term vision. As we work through our restructuring plan and operational improvement initiatives, including our G and A analysis and we make progress in our portfolio review, a sharper view of our future is emerging. We will continue gaining visibility in the coming quarters and we'll share additional details as work continues.

Speaker 2

We also anticipate sharing an updated and comprehensive long term vision, including financial targets mid next year, we fully expect that the future Leggett and Platt will be more focused and more profitable. To our employees, thank you for your hard work and perseverance. Your efforts are positioning our company for long term success. Now turning to demand trends in our key markets. Our Q2 2024 sales and adjusted earnings were lower than anticipated at the beginning of the quarter.

Speaker 2

Excluding increased inventory write downs and reserves and higher bad debt expense, we would have outperformed our adjusted earnings expectations. We now expect 2024 full year sales to be lower than originally estimated due to softer industry demand in multiple end markets and continued raw material deflation. Demand in our residential end markets remains weak as consumers continue to delay big ticket discretionary purchases. Additionally, many bedding and furniture industry participants are financially stressed amid a 3rd year of low demand. Against a backdrop of diminished consumer demand, mattresses imported from 12 countries and dumped into the U.

Speaker 2

S. Market by foreign producers have further harmed domestic manufacturers. We believe the domestic industry deserves a level playing field and we are pleased with the determinations that both the United States Department of Commerce and the United States International Trade Commission have recently made regarding the current mattress antidumping case. Since May, the DOC has published final dumping rates for all 12 countries ranging from 4.6% to triple digits. The ITC has finalized orders for 8 countries and final orders for the remaining 4 countries are expected in early September.

Speaker 2

We estimate U. S. Mattress market consumption was down mid single digits versus 2023 in both the second quarter and first half of this year. While landed mattress import volumes have fallen year to date, inventory buildup from late last year is still likely being worked through. In the second half, we expect industry units will remain below 2023 levels, resulting in full year consumption down mid single digits.

Speaker 2

We still expect our 2024 bedding product segment's volume to be down high single digits due to company specific factors, including the loss of a customer in specialty foam and restructuring related sales attrition. Higher than expected trade rod sales for non bedding applications are expected to partially offset the impact of planned sales attrition. Excluding steel rod, bedding product sales directly related to the mattress industry are expected to be down low double digits. The global automotive market is experiencing volatility driven by several factors. While our products are utilized in both internal combustion engine and electric vehicles, geographic differences in the global shift to EVs has resulted in internal combustion engine programs running for longer than planned, leading to delayed program launches and timelines.

Speaker 2

In Asia, the transition to electric vehicles has surged forward, while Europe is grappling with cost and affordability challenges. Meanwhile, North America remains indecisive. Additionally, the growth of new Chinese market entrants and increases in Chinese exports, particularly to Europe, is driving further market disruption. Europe has responded by introducing new tariffs, but is yet to be seen if this will slow the pace of Chinese imports. Light vehicle production in major markets is expected to be down low single digits versus 2023.

Speaker 2

We expect our automotive business will be in line with global production versus our previous assumption of outperformance. This change is largely driven by unfavorable products mix related to the growth of the Chinese electric vehicles. Finally, our GEO components business has experienced sluggish project releases in the civil construction market and retail sales have recently been weaker than originally anticipated. We now expect both civil construction and retail full year sales volume to be down low single digits. While low volumes continue to be the most significant headwind to earnings, our initiatives to improve operating efficiency and maintain opportunities as demand recovers.

Speaker 2

I'll now turn the call over to Ben to review 2nd quarter financial details, a restructuring update and our revised outlook for the year.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Carl, and good morning, everyone. 2nd quarter sales were 1,100,000,000 dollars down 8% versus the Q2 of 2023 from volume declines primarily in residential end markets and raw material related selling price decreases. Compared to Q2 2023, sales in our bedding products segment decreased 13%. The loss of a customer within specialty foam, which we expected to impact the back half of twenty twenty four, actually began in the second quarter. Excluding this change, segment sales would have declined high single digits.

Speaker 3

2nd quarter sales in specialized products were flat year over year and sales in furniture, flooring and textile products were down 6%. 2nd quarter EBIT was a loss of $614,000,000 primarily from a $675,000,000 non cash goodwill impairment charge. In connection with the preparation of the Q2 statements, we performed an impairment analysis included that an impairment existed as a result of the significant decline in stock price and current market conditions. Excluding the goodwill impairment charge and other items outlined in yesterday's press release, adjusted EBIT was $71,000,000 down $21,000,000 versus Q2 2023, primarily due to increased inventory write downs and reserves, lower volume, raw material related pricing adjustments and higher bad debt reserves, partially offset by lower amortization expense, operational efficiency improvements and restructuring benefit. 2nd quarter earnings per share were a loss of $4.39 On an adjusted basis, 2nd quarter EPS was 0.29 dollars a 24% decrease from Q2 2023 adjusted EPS of 0.38 dollars As always, we are focused on cash generation.

Speaker 3

In the near term, we are prioritizing debt reduction while continuing to fund organic growth. Our long term priorities for use of cash are funding organic growth, funding strategic acquisitions and returning cash to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. In the Q2, operating cash flow was $94,000,000 a decrease of $17,000,000 versus the Q2 2023. This decrease was primarily driven by lower earnings, partially offset by working capital improvement. We ended the quarter with adjusted working capital as a percentage of annualized sales of 14.9 percent, an improvement of 30 basis points versus Q2 2023.

Speaker 3

Cash from operations is still expected to be $300,000,000 to $350,000,000 in 2024. We ended the 2nd quarter with total debt of $2,000,000,000 including $208,000,000 of commercial paper outstanding. Net debt to trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA was 3.83 times at quarter end, in line with our expectation of hitting peak leverage in the 2nd quarter. As a reminder, our covenant calculation is more favorable than our publicly reported leverage ratio and we remained comfortably below the 4x covenant leverage ratio. In the Q3, we expect to begin progressing toward our long term target of 2x as we use cash previously allocated for the dividend along with 20.24 total anticipated proceeds of $35,000,000 to $45,000,000 from idle and restructuring related real estate sales to accelerate debt reduction.

Speaker 3

We still expect to predominantly use our commercial paper program to repay $300,000,000 of 3.8 percent 10 year notes maturing in November. Total liquidity was 705 $1,000,000 at June 30, comprised of $307,000,000 of cash on hand and $398,000,000 in capacity remaining under our revolving credit facility. As Carl mentioned earlier, our team is doing an excellent job executing the restructuring plan. With 6 months of activity now complete, we are providing an update on some of the financial metrics related to the plan. We originally estimated that these initiatives reduced sales by approximately $100,000,000 on an annualized run rate basis once fully implemented in late 2025.

Speaker 3

We now expect less impact and estimate that sales attrition will be approximately $80,000,000 on an annualized run rate basis after all initiatives with $3,000,000 of with $3,000,000 of sales attrition realized in the 2nd quarter. Real estate sales associated with the restructuring plan are also going well. Previously, we assumed that we would generate up to $10,000,000 in cash from restructuring related real estate sales in 2024 with an additional $50,000,000 to 80,000,000 generated in 2025. We still expect total proceeds of $60,000,000 to $80,000,000 but now believe properties will sell sooner than originally anticipated and expect proceeds of $15,000,000 to $25,000,000 in 20.24 and the balance in 2025. Restructuring costs during the quarter were $11,000,000 comprised of $9,000,000 in cash costs $2,000,000 in non cash costs.

Speaker 3

The plan remains on track from a cost perspective and there are no changes to our total estimate or timing of costs. In the Q2, we realized $3,000,000 of EBIT benefit related to the restructuring plan and now expect approximately $10,000,000 to 15,000,000 dollars of EBIT benefit to be realized in 2024 versus our initial estimate of $5,000,000 to $10,000,000 as benefits are flowing through earlier than expected. We still believe total annualized EBIT benefit of $40,000,000 to $50,000,000 will be realized once initiatives are fully implemented in late 2025. We are lowering our 2024 sales guidance and narrowing our adjusted EPS guidance range resulting in a slightly lower midpoint. This change reflects the impacts of lower volume, increased inventory write downs and reserves and higher bad debt reserves, partially offset by continued strong execution of the restructuring plan, operational efficiency improvements and pricing discipline.

Speaker 3

2024 sales are now expected to be $4,300,000,000 to $4,500,000,000 or down 5% to 9 percent versus 2023 compared to our prior guidance of $4,350,000,000 to $4,650,000,000 The decrease versus our prior guidance reflects lower expected volumes across our segments and deflationary pressure. Volume is expected to be down low to mid single digits with volume at the midpoint, down high single digits in bedding products, flat in specialized products and down low single digits in furniture, flooring and textile products. Deflation and currency combined are expected to reduce sales low single digits. 2024 earnings per share are expected to be a loss of $3.43 to a loss of $3.58 versus our prior guidance of $0.95 to $1.25 including the impact of the non cash goodwill impairment charge, restructuring charges, real estate gains and certain other costs outlined in yesterday's press release. Full year adjusted earnings per share are expected to be $1.10 to $1.25 versus our prior guidance of $1.05 to $1.35 As a result, our 2024 full year adjusted EBIT margin range is expected to be 6.5% to 6.9% versus our prior guidance of 6 point 4% to 7.2%.

Speaker 3

Our teams are diligently working each day to improve profitability through our strategic initiatives and effective cost management, and we are beginning to see the benefits of these efforts. We look forward to updating you with further progress on this work in the coming quarters. With those comments, I'll turn the call back over to Cassie.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Ben. Operator, we're ready to begin Q and A.

Operator

Thank you. The floor is now open for questions. Our first question today is coming from Susan Maklari of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Susan.

Speaker 5

Good morning.

Speaker 4

Good morning. Welcome back, Carl.

Speaker 2

Thank you. I think it's good to be back. It's good to speak to you anyway.

Speaker 6

It's

Speaker 4

good to be back. It's good to have you back. We're happy to hear you on these calls again. You did a really good job, I think, of talking us through a lot of the focus areas and the things that are happening at Leggett. As you've stepped back into this role, can you talk about what your clear priorities are at this point?

Speaker 4

How you're thinking about the positioning of the business and the things that you're especially focused on as you think about the next several quarters?

Speaker 2

Yes. It's really to be incredibly transparent with you, the investment community and with our employees that we're in a tough environment and transparency is always important, but probably never more important than it is now. It's also to have just kind of quick wins to continue to do the blocking and tackling that's required to improve our profitability and at the same time just empowering our people to make decisions, to know that they're supported and that we're all in this together. At the same time, we're establishing really a sense of accountability and urgency that maybe was lacking that's really important. We're also I can't be more pleased with where the restructuring plan is.

Speaker 2

Staying focused on the restructuring plan is really important. Tyson and his team have done a terrific job with what really is a heavy lift to get through the first phase of that in U. S. Spring as quickly as they have is truly remarkable when you think about the size and scope of those activities. Sustain involved in that analysis and kind of talking through Phase 2 at the same time always, always prioritizing customer relationships and product innovation.

Speaker 2

The stickiness of our relationship with our customers is really important to us and the responsibility that they kind of share with us for innovation going forward. So we spend a lot of time on that. We're also spending a lot of time kind of dealing with what does Leggett look like 5 years from now? What's our positioning? What it's really a portfolio management review in terms of what businesses should we be in and then at the same time trying to accelerate profitable growth in the businesses that we remain in and balancing that.

Speaker 2

So there's more to come. There's been a lot of work, really good work done there. But I couldn't be more pleased with how the team is interacting and kind of rising to the occasion. It's typical Leggett style. But thanks for the question, Susan.

Speaker 2

I'm sorry it's so long winded, but there's a lot going on.

Speaker 4

No, that was a good answer. And it's great to hear how things are coming together, very encouraging. So thank you for the color. And maybe shifting to bedding, more specifically, you mentioned that there's been some moving parts in there, of course. There was a loss of a customer in the specialized foam piece.

Speaker 4

Maybe can you talk a bit about the new products and some of the other efforts that Leggett is going through to help revitalize and regain share with some of your existing customers. What those mean for those bedding volumes and maybe especially within that specialized foam piece? And how should we think about the mix shift overall and how that's perhaps going to come together over time as some of these things gain momentum?

Speaker 2

Well, you are a master at asking a complex question. So therefore, I'm a master at handing it off. So I'll ask Tyson to answer that question. But Susan, before I do, you know and many of the listeners know that I've been around the bidding industry literally all my life. And the changes that the industry is going through right now are remarkable.

Speaker 2

They're unprecedented. I will tell you in retrospect, 2008 through 2010 was easy to manage through compared to what the team is managing through right now in terms of the rate of change. So with all of that said, Tyson, please try to unravel that giant ball.

Speaker 6

Sure thing, Carl. Good morning, Susan. I appreciate the question.

Speaker 3

Let me go through

Speaker 6

a few things with you. I'll start by saying, our development teams are extremely busy right now working with several of our critical customers on innovation projects. And it's really true across the segment, but really most specifically with our Spring Group and a high percentage of our resources are spending time working on projects that are committed to launch and they're high volume and long term opportunities. So they're really critical for both us and our partners. And really this is like Karl said, this is a really critical service and function and how we work together with our customers.

Speaker 6

We depend on one another. And so this is a really encouraging thing. Despite the current challenges like Carl just outlined, this is a really encouraging sign for us and getting through these projects is really critical. And it is a really tough market. The second thing would be, it's always competitive.

Speaker 6

Right now, it's extremely competitive. And we're not ignoring any opportunities that we have even in the short term to work with customers on opportunities that make sense for us and for them. And we've talked a little bit in some of the past calls about some of our innovation that helps us in this category. Our eco base and automated foam and case comfort core unit production. And these are both really labor and manufacturing efficient projects.

Speaker 6

And so these are some tools that we have that we can work with our customers even in a really tough environment to help them and gives us a chance to regain some market share. So those are really, really important things for us in the short term as well. And then I'll also say DCS you mentioned that and you can see in the Q2 we did have an earlier than expected loss of a customer. But without that, we did have some volume improvement year over year and we've seen this for the last several quarters. And it's the result of a lot of hard work from our commercial teams at ECS and diversifying the customer base, selling accessories components and finished mattress projects, specifically with some private label customers.

Speaker 6

So we have been seeing the benefits grow through a lot of that effort. And we'll see some more of that in the back half

Speaker 2

of the year. We have

Speaker 6

some more things in the pipeline. With that said, we have a lot of work to do there and there will be some ups and downs and we're in the middle of restructuring that also impacts specialty foam. So there will be some things that come and go, but we're working hard on it and feel good about the progress we're making. And I'd also add as part of specialty foam, our Peterson Chemical team has been really, really busy with some development projects as well and they have a couple of products that they've been sharing with at some of the recent trade shows that they're excited about, our customers are excited about. So that's some good progress as well.

Speaker 6

So I guess to tie all of that together, I know that's a long answer. Not all of this will benefit us overnight, but I think it's really exciting and encouraging that even in a challenging market that our customers are working with us on some new development and things that will pay some long term dividends for us and them.

Speaker 4

Okay. That's great color. Thank you, Tyson. And then I just want to get one more in because I think this was a bright spot in the quarter and I want to make sure we touch on it. And it's FF and T.

Speaker 4

They had a very nice margin. They came in about 80 basis points ahead of where we were. The margin was up year over year and that was even with those volumes down a bit in there. Can you just talk about the success that they're seeing and the ability to continue to execute at that level even with this tough demand environment?

Speaker 2

Yes. Sam, why don't you appreciate the really the accolades. Sam and his team are doing a great job. Those businesses are really well managed. But Sam, if you would, why don't you respond?

Speaker 7

Sure, Carl. Thanks for the question, Susan. Really appreciate it. So first off, let me just say that we've got some great teams and some great leaders across these businesses. They've always been good, but over the last 4 years with the wild spikes and the drops that we've seen in volume, commodity costs, freight rates, manufacturing costs, all these things have taught us really to be even better leaders.

Speaker 7

For example, we've learned how to very quickly analyze where we are from a cost of margin perspective. We learned to really anticipate where we believe volumes are going to go and where costs are going to go. In the near term, we've learned how to make some really hard decision to mitigate some of the cost increases like the restructuring efforts that we're working through right now in flooring and that we essentially finished in home furniture. We've learned how to have some really difficult conversations with ourselves, with our customers and with our vendors. And as we done all these hard things, I think our teams really gained a lot of confidence in themselves and in their abilities to kind of control what they could control and to really deliver on what they need to deliver on.

Speaker 7

So I think these abilities and our growing confidence are really what's allowed us to deliver on this great pricing discipline that you see in a really tough environment. So bottom line, I think we're becoming more agile, more focused and really better overall business leaders. So when volumes do start getting better, I think we're going to be able to use these skills and our confidence that we've learned to positively grow on the upside. I think it's too early to really speculate what that looks like from a magnitude perspective, but we're in a lot better position to handle the upside appropriately because handling the downside made us a lot better.

Operator

Good. All right. Well, that's great

Speaker 4

to hear. I'll re queue with some other questions, but I'll let you guys go for now. Thank you all for that color. It was great.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Susan.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from Bobby Griffin of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Good morning, buddy. Thanks for taking my questions. And Carl, good to talk to you again.

Speaker 2

Yes. Same goes both ways. Thanks, Bobby.

Speaker 5

And Kathy, thank you for all the details in the slides. You and I, our team on the restructuring initiatives, very helpful to kind of see that laid out visually. So I appreciate it.

Speaker 1

You're welcome.

Speaker 5

I guess first up for me, Carl, I was going to start maybe with the auto business actually, a lot of different shifts kind of going on there between the adoption of EVs, maybe slower in some areas, faster than others, the Chinese entrants into Europe. And I guess maybe there still is a debate on where inventory levels go in the U. S. From obviously the COVID impact. Can you just maybe unpack kind of those dynamics and how Leggate is positioned for those and where is opportunities or where might investments need to be?

Speaker 2

Yes, Bobby, thanks for the question. Like many of our markets, global automotive is a bit of a challenge. As you said, the EV adoption is very different depending on what region we operate in. And as you know, that's a very global business. Overall, it probably is good for us, but not so good from a total industry demand perspective and that the current IHS forecast shows global build in the major markets is down 2%.

Speaker 2

We think that it will probably be shifted down as they release again. There's probably more of a hockey stick in 4Q than is appropriate. We've readjusted our thinking and that's embedded in our current guidance. Our teams are dealing with elongated programs on ICE vehicles in certain markets and acceleration of EV adoption in others. And I do want to make it clear that we do have content on the Chinese BYD is the biggest, but there's a number of them that we certainly have content there.

Speaker 2

When we take our sales forecast down, it's because the dollars of sales per each unit are less than originally anticipated in an EV model. But we take profitability down at a lesser rate because our profit margins on those legacy models which are very heavy weighted to mechanical lumbars where we have a very, very strong market position. So lesser selling price, higher profitability really in absolute dollars in many of those programs. So it's complicated. Inventories are starting to grow.

Speaker 2

What's normal? I don't think post COVID anyone really knows. The consumer has been trained to wait even longer for a vehicle. But at the same time, autos are I think the average auto life in North America is 12.6 years. So that's at a historic high.

Speaker 2

So how that all sorts out? Really, at the end of the day, there's an affordability problem. Buying a new vehicle is hellaciously expensive. That's what's happening in Europe with the trade down to electrification, but with some of the Chinese upstarts is probably too strong, but it's really an affordability issue. I think that plays into our hands as well, as I said earlier, that we'll see how the whole thing unravels.

Speaker 5

Very good. I appreciate that. And then maybe one that kind of dovetails into the bedding segment, but saw again there's some metal margin compression. I'm just curious kind of the dynamics there. Is this just in your view a normalization?

Speaker 5

We had some really high spreads and we're just coming back to kind of what maybe is closer to normal? Or has there been some changes in either like the tariff protections or some of the dynamics that caused some imports to come in more than they typically would? Anything there for us to think about?

Speaker 2

Yes, Tyson, clean me up. I think it's just a normalization. There's no change in import protection at all. It's just the shrinking of that spread is probably more driven by demand or lack of demand domestically across all markets, obviously not just bedding and furniture, but it's just a normalization.

Speaker 6

Yes. I totally agree, Karl. Normalization and Bobby, you probably remember we talked about it. There was, at least compared to history, an excessive difference between the U. S.

Speaker 6

Deal market and Europe, And we saw some of that and adjusted prices accordingly in our businesses late last year. So had already started to think a lot of the price normalization kind of downstream through our businesses. But totally agree with Carl, just normalization of kind of coming off COVID and the pandemic impacts.

Speaker 5

Appreciate that. And then maybe Carl, one more. Just on your you talked a little bit on your prepared remarks this portfolio optimization. I just kind of wanted to ask in context of the hurdle rates or the hurdles to kind of get over the line on doing that given where the macro is and where some of these end markets are just kind of what's the patient levels like? How do you guys go about debating that?

Speaker 5

Because I do remember back, I guess this would have been in probably 2013 or 2014 maybe and you were President, there was some good portfolio optimization that raised margins and had a nice impact on the P and L?

Speaker 2

Yes, Bobby, good question. We remember how to do it. There was Ryan Kleibacher who runs strategy was certainly involved in at that timeframe in helping through all of that. So what we're trying to do is forecast these businesses. We look at them today, but trying to forecast them 5 years out.

Speaker 2

And from a profitability perspective, from a growth potential and from a fit to leggate perspective, A lot of good work is done. I think that you should expect a smaller, more focused company in the future. By our history, we don't divulge any potential divestitures until we're under an LOI. So there's more to come. But there's a lot of activity.

Speaker 5

Thank you. I appreciate it. Best of luck here during the process and the rest of the year.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you, Bobby.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from Keith Hughes of Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Thank you. Building on that last answer, Karl, on any portfolio moves, is that probably more likely to be seen in next year? Or do you think we could see something in the second half of this year, if in fact they had color?

Speaker 2

I would think probably early next year. It just takes a long time to get through some of these processes. Some of our businesses are very complex geographically, multi product. So, yes, I would say first half of next year.

Speaker 8

And very much like the one you went through in 2007, I assume everything is on the table at this point?

Speaker 2

Everything is being evaluated. In the prepared comments, we continue to tell you the businesses that we are going to lean into, bedding, automotive, geo and I would say all textiles. There's some alternative markets in some of our other textiles businesses that have significant growth. Those businesses are well managed. There good performers, great cash generators.

Speaker 2

We need those businesses to be healthy going forward. So there's a balance of all of that. Really, the screen is fit, growth potential and our ability to execute in whatever those markets are.

Speaker 8

Okay. And on the quarter, Susan's question earlier, the volume was down a little bit, not that much in furniture, flooring and textiles, particularly furniture and flooring. But the price was down a good bit. If you could talk about, is that just market pressure and pricing or is there some kind of portfolio change that's impacting price? Just what's the dynamics there?

Speaker 2

Well, it's an interesting question, Keith, because pricing is all over the board. Generally what's happening is prices are falling with commodity cost reductions, general comment across most of the portfolio. But I do need to call out a couple of businesses, Aerospace and Automotive. They had a hard time passing through cost inflation post pandemic and trying to deliver to the customer. So it's difficult in that timeframe when they were having a hard time kind of meeting demand for them to pass through materials.

Speaker 2

Now that they have both of those businesses have done a better job of being able to keep up with customer demand. They've gone back kind of retrospectively and increased some prices. So we've enhanced margins in both of those two businesses. But across the company, it's generally highly correlated to commodities being softer.

Speaker 8

Okay. And is that I think that would be the foam and home furniture, is that what you are referring to?

Speaker 2

Yes. And so a little bit of bedding year on year. Okay. A little bit of textiles we're seeing. Yes.

Speaker 8

Okay, great. Thanks very much.

Operator

The next question is coming from Peter Keith of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hey, good morning, everyone. And Carl, again for me, nice to hear your voice. So I think in some ways you already answered this question to Susan's question around your areas of focus, but I wanted to look at it from the other angle. As you've come in, what do you think have been the biggest challenges and issues against Leggett and Platt in recent years when you've been away from the company?

Speaker 2

Yes. That's an interesting question because I haven't really been away staying involved certainly with relationships. But I think it's continuing to be transparent and having a sense of urgency and an ability to make decisions. I think those are kind of the key areas of focus. And it's a tough environment, not laying blame on anybody.

Speaker 2

I mean, it's a tough, tough environment that our teams are operating in. Sometimes it's tough to be able to just kind of stand back and see the force from the trees. And it so I think that's it as much as anything, Peter. Our people have been working in a tough environment that there's no question in my mind that the bedding industry is probably no longer in recession, but is in depression. That's been unprecedented.

Speaker 2

The last 3 years have been a challenge with the whipsaw effect of post pandemic demand and then the fall off right after that. So the whipsaw effect has been tough. So I think it's just dealing with the issues at hand and then trying to guide from a future perspective.

Speaker 9

Okay. And then I know people always respect your opinion on betting. And I guess what are you seeing? I think you talked about, I think it was mid single digit unit declines. Has there been, I guess, throughout Q2, things you think it got better?

Speaker 9

Did it get worse? And anything you're seeing with the industry so far in Q3?

Speaker 2

No, I think sequentially, Q1, Q2 was kind of more of the same. What's changed from our last call is we would have had a probably a more aggressive positive tone on units in the back half of this year. I think the industry has come to the realization that there is it's tough and it's going to continue to be tough. So nothing's really changed. We tease each other about this phrase that the industry uses about bouncing along the bottom and it kind of feels that way.

Speaker 2

Based on history, election years are not very favorable to the betting industry. Advertising, the cost of advertising, availability of advertising is really difficult and trying to get keep the consumers' attention at a time when there are some affordability issues. So, yes, that's why we've kind of changed our update the back half to say that we expect full year to be soft down mid single digits, acknowledging that the comps get a little bit easier in the back half.

Speaker 9

Okay. And also I want to

Speaker 6

ask a follow-up on metal margin.

Speaker 9

So it sounds like that's seeing a little more pressure now than what you thought a couple of months ago. Is there any way to quantify that metal margin impact to the guidance? And then where is your metal margin today versus 2019?

Speaker 2

Compared to 2019, certainly, yes, I would say it's higher than 2019. And as regards metal margin compression imputed in the guidance, it's not that significant.

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