Velocity Financial Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 1, 2024

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Velocity Financial Q2 2024 Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Chris Alban.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Rachel. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for the discussion of Velocity's Q2 2024 results. Joining me today are Chris Farrar, Velocity's President and Chief Executive Officer and Mark Capaniak, Velocity's Chief Financial Officer. Earlier this afternoon, we released our 2nd quarter results, and you can find this press release and accompanying presentation that we will refer to today during this call on our Investor Relations website at www.bellfinance.com. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call may include forward looking statements, which are uncertain and outside of the company's control, and actual results may differ materially.

Speaker 1

For a discussion of some of the risks and other factors that could affect results, please see the risk factors and other cautionary statements made in our communications with shareholders, including the risk factors disclosed in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Please also note that the content of this conference call contains time sensitive information that is accurate only as of today, and we do not undertake any duty to update forward looking statements. We may also refer to certain non GAAP measures on this call. For reconciliations of these non GAAP measures, you should refer to the earnings materials on our Investor Relations website. And finally, today's call is being recorded and will be available on the company's website later today.

Speaker 1

And with that, I would like to turn the call over to Chris Farrar.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Chris, and thank you all for joining our Q2 earnings call. After the close, we reported another great quarter as our business continues to perform well across all segments. Our net revenue increased 41% over the prior year's quarter, resulting in a 23% increase in core earnings. Our originations were healthy with a 63% increase in volume versus Q2 'twenty three. And importantly, we maintained our margins and credit standards.

Speaker 2

Our portfolio is performing well and our special servicing team continues to do a great job of resolving delinquent assets favorably. Our charge offs remain low and we realized over $2,000,000 in net gain from our REO activity this quarter. As a result of our increased originations, we issued 2 securitizations in April June, both deals priced well and saw strong demand from our bond investors. As a reminder, we're required to expense all issuance costs associated with those deals in the current period, which is a drag on current period earnings, but the trade off is increased spreads going forward as we have no amortization expense recognize on this debt. Real estate market is performing well for us and we continue to see strong demand for financing from our borrowers.

Speaker 2

Banks are still constrained and we're starting to see the market price in future rate cuts, both of which should be a tailwind for us going forward. I want to congratulate all my team members on another great quarter as I truly appreciate their commitment to excellence. We will continue to execute our 5 by 25 growth strategy to reach 5,000,000,000 in UP by 2025 with the ultimate goal of rewarding all shareholders. That concludes my prepared remarks and we'll turn over to Page 3 in the earnings presentation dollars dollars a share for the quarter. The NIM widened out from earlier 2Q of 'twenty three by 30 bps, again showing up as a result of the increased WACC from new originations.

Speaker 2

In terms of loan production, dollars 422,000,000 in UPB and total portfolio growth on a year over year basis of 20%. The NPL loans were up slightly to 10.5% and we continue to still see positive 0.06 dollars per share drag on current period earnings from that second securitization as compared to prior periods where we were typically issuing just one securitization. And as I said, that's sort of a timing issue. It will depend on going forward each quarter how many deals we issue, but should also help in terms of the NIM going forward. Century Health and Housing acquired $3,600,000 in MSRs from a bank that originated some recent Ginnie Mae loans.

Speaker 2

That was a great trade for us because we're continuing to build out the platform and establish new relationships with new borrowers for more business. In terms of liquidity, we're in a strong position there. You can see just under $84,000,000 at the end of the quarter with plenty of warehouse capacity to go forward on. On Page 4, we break out the core adjustments here. And then also on the right hand side, as most of you remember, there's a buildup here to our adjusted book value per share.

Speaker 2

I will point out that we had a typo there in the far right. If you add the $239,000,000 to the $14.52,000,000 of book value, it should be $16.91,000,000 not 16 $81 So we're correcting that as we hold the call and that will be on the website shortly. But again, continuing to grow book value nicely as we execute on our growth strategy and retain earnings on a go forward basis. So that covers it for me, and I'll turn it over to Mark on Page 5.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Chris. Hi, everybody. In Q2, we continued our strong 2024 performance. On page 5, our loan production for Q2, as Chris mentioned, was a little over 4 $22,000,000 in UPB, which was an 11.5% increase from the 378,700,000 in Q1. Kind of to note, there were over 1100 loans funded in the 2nd quarter, so great demand for the product.

Speaker 3

The strong production growth during Q2 was achieved with the weighted average coupon for the new originations remaining at 11%, continuing a 5 quarter trend of 11% coupon. This growth in originations in Q2 was also at very tight credit levels with the weighted average loan to value for the quarter at 64.7%. The strong Q2 production growth with the high WACC and the low LTV, again demonstrates the continued consistent borrower demand for the product. As a result of strong growth in production, page 6, we see a similar growth in Q2 for the overall loan portfolio. Our total loan portfolio as of June 30 was almost $4,500,000,000 it's a 4.6% increase, a 4.6% increase from Q1 and over a 20% increase year over year in the portfolio.

Speaker 3

The weighted average coupon on this portfolio as of June 30 was 9.25%, which is an 18 basis point increase from the Q1 weighted average coupon and an 85 basis point year over year increase. The portfolio weighted average loan to value ratio remained consistently low at 67.4 as of June 30. On page 7, our Q2 portfolio NIM increased 19 basis points from Q1 and 30 basis points year over year, as our portfolio yield component increased 27 basis points quarter over quarter and 74 basis points year over year, while our cost of funds increased only 8 basis points quarter over quarter and 43 basis points year over year. This quarter over quarter increase in NIMs mainly driven by, again, the strong loan production growth in the quarter and healthy spreads, the higher coupons, and also due to the recent improvement in securitization market keeping the costs fairly low. On page 8, our non performing loan rate at the end of Q2, as Chris mentioned, was 10.5% compared to 10.1% for Q1.

Speaker 3

Our non performing loan rate has remained consistent for the last 5 quarters and the ongoing collection efforts by our special servicing department continues to result in resolutions of our NPL loans at favorable gains. The table on page 9 highlights the continued success of the NPL resolution efforts. And again, on a trend basis, we continue to average about a 2% or more overall gain on NPL resolutions over the last 5 quarters. Page 10 reflects our CECL loan loss reserve and also the net loan charge off in REO activity. On the bottom left hand chart, the CECL reserve as of June 30th was 5,200,000 or 20 basis points of our outstanding non fair value loans held for investment portfolio.

Speaker 3

The CECL reserve is within our expected range. The CECL loan loss reserve number does not include our loans being carried at fair value. It's only the amortized cost loans. The table to the bottom right shows our net gain and loss from loan charge offs and REO related activities during the quarter. And for Q2, we had a net gain on loan charge offs, REO related activities of little over $2,000,000 compared to a slight net loss of only $800,000 for Q1.

Speaker 3

So again, doing really well on low loan charge offs, selling a lot of these REOs at a gain and booking a net gain activity for the quarter. Page 11 shows our durable funding and liquidity position at the end of Q2. As Chris mentioned, our total liquidity as of June 30th was just under $84,000,000 and that's made up of over 47,000,000 in cash and cash equivalents and another about 36,000,000 36,500,000 in available liquidity on our unfinanced collateral. As a result of our strong loan production, we did issue 2 securitizations in Q2. April, we issued our 20 20 four-two secondurity with 286,000,000 of securities issued and in June, we issued our 20 20 four-three secondurity with almost 205,000,000 of securities issued.

Speaker 3

Our available warehouse line capacity was 646,500,000 at the end of the quarter with a maximum line capacity of $885,000,000 So, still plenty of available capacity on our existing warehouse lines to support future growth for the company. I'd like to now turn the presentation back to Chris to overview Velocity's outlook on key business drivers. Chris?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Mark. Yes, I mean, I think looking forward, we feel good about where we're headed. We feel like the markets are healthy and see good activity both on the real estate side and the borrower side. In terms of credit, seeing a lot of mixed signals out there, obviously feels like the Fed is probably going to do some softening here. But we do expect to continue to get those positive NPL resolutions on a go forward basis.

Speaker 2

Securitization market is healthy and feels good going forward. So we're very positive there. And from an earnings perspective, just continue to execute like we do and we think that things look very good for the future. So with that, we'll open it up for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now begin the question and answer The first question comes from Stephen Laws with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, good afternoon and products. So this $140,000,000 loan base, can you see going from there? Do you think this is the right origination outlook to ramp and that would be great.

Speaker 2

Yes. Hi, Stephen. I think you cut out a little bit there, but I think your question was just going forward, what do we think on production levels? Yes, I would expect for the rest of the year around this Q2 run rate feels right. And I think sometimes the product mix moves around a little bit, but it will be something like you're seeing here in Q2.

Speaker 2

And so, yes, I think for the rest of the year, we think it should look pretty similar to that.

Speaker 4

Great. And do you have an update maybe on the adjusted book and the rate move quarter to date? Curious how that fair value mark may have changed as of end of July?

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, if we were to mark today, yes, you're right, there would definitely be a change to the positive, obviously. It's going to be largely dependent on where things settle out at the end of the quarter. So if things were to stay where they are today, yes, I think you'd see an increase in the overall book from the drop in base rates for sure.

Speaker 4

Great. And then lastly, Chris, any comments around the paper? Have you seen any banks return to the market, really continuing to put up 11% coupons? So probably not too competitive, but curious about any returning insurance?

Speaker 2

Yes. Not hearing much there, seeing a lot of borrowers come to us that I think normally would expect to be handled by the banks. So I'm not really seeing any signs of that. And everything that I hear is just they're very constrained and limited on the new credit.

Speaker 4

Great. Well, congrats again on a nice press and thanks for the comments this afternoon.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Appreciate it, Steven.

Operator

The next question comes from Steve Delaney with Citizens JMP. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Good evening, everyone, and great quarter. Just kind of remarkable, Chris, the consistency of your production and the market is the market. But do you if you come right down to it, do you tie that to your relationships with brokers and borrowers? And is it really a defensible market presence that you have that somebody is not going to just come in and undercut you on rates and steal those that loan flow?

Speaker 2

Yes. It's

Speaker 5

the franchise, right? It's the brand?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think so. We've always believed that this was an underserved niche. It's highly fragmented. There are a lot of different players out there.

Speaker 2

We kind of just stick to our knitting. And because we are a portfolio lender and we have this spread income that comes in, we don't feel the same pressure that other originators do to always put as much volume on the sheets as we can. We can be more disciplined around margin. So yes, I think people our customers certainly recognize that we're reliable and there's a certainty of execution there. And so, I think that loyalty shows up in our margins and in our production volumes.

Speaker 5

Yes. So you've been on about a you've got sort of a commitment and a target of 11%. Just in the last couple of months, since late May, the tenure is off 70 bps. And if we get 3 or 4 cuts over the next 6 to 9 months, is that not going to have to have some kind of impact on your rate? I mean, how are you guys thinking about it internally in modeling?

Speaker 5

Like when the world when market rates change, are you going to have to respond? Are you going to be like a credit card, your credit cards are 18% to 21% regardless of where Prime and Fed funds are, right?

Speaker 2

Yes. Yes, yes. Good question. Yes, we've lowered rates a couple of weeks ago when and so we monitored the bond markets. We took rates just down a quarter point.

Speaker 2

So we won't necessarily move lockstep with the markets because there is some volatility there. But we priced our debt mainly off of sort of somewhere between 3 to 5 year bonds depending on the weighted average life. So that's kind of where we focus. We keep an eye on those shorter bond rates and we adjust for those base rate movements. So yes, I mean I think if it continues we'll follow the market.

Speaker 2

We will pass that along to our borrowers and as long as we're maintaining our spread, we're happy.

Speaker 5

Right. So your securitizations obviously are fixed rate funds. I guess the only benefit you would get on the liability side would assume your warehouse lines are floating on SOFR, right?

Speaker 2

Right.

Speaker 5

Yes. So and you will get some carry benefit there, obviously, although it obviously offset a little bit by the lower coupons on the loans. Great quarter, you keep beating estimates every quarter. So I guess we're going to have to crank it up a little bit to catch up.

Speaker 2

Don't crank

Speaker 3

it up too much, Steve.

Speaker 5

Yes, we won't. We just like the fact that we want to do our target every time we turn around. That's the good part of it. Congratulations, guys.

Speaker 2

Thanks so much. Appreciate

Speaker 5

it. Great quarter.

Operator

The next question comes from Eric Havens with BTIG. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, thanks. Good afternoon. Hope you guys are well. Following up a little bit on the origination side. I mean, from an operational and underwriting standpoint, do you feel like you're originating at capacity right now or how much more operational leverage do you think you can potentially like extract and originate with your current cost structure right now?

Speaker 2

Yes. Hi, Eric. Thanks. We've spent a lot of money on technology and in order to do 1,000 units a quarter, you got to have that in place. So I think we have excess capacity.

Speaker 2

I don't know, I'd say probably 10% to 20% more. As we go into the end of the year, we probably will increase some headcount to accommodate hopefully some growth, it's at the margin and it's not too significant. So I think we can add quite a bit more volume with not too much to the cost structure.

Speaker 6

Yes. Okay. That's really helpful. Thanks for giving some context there. I mean, what do you feel like is the all in kind of ROE from originating and delivering into securitization with spreads at these levels, even if you have like a benchmark for the 2 deals that you did last quarter?

Speaker 6

And if we see securitization spreads tighten, I mean, what does that mean for your ROE? Is there a way to kind of benchmark that and sensitize that?

Speaker 2

Yes, good question. We think that the ROEs are north of 25% at these levels. If spreads tighten, we'll see the benefit of that over a multiyear period, obviously because we're locking in fixed rate loans against fixed rate debt. So yes, if we see some tightening in the spreads, I think that could significantly boost ROE on the go forward deals. Obviously, it's a blend of all of the transactions, but at the margin, I think new stuff is well north

Operator

of 25%.

Speaker 6

Really helpful. Thank you guys so much.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Eric.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back to Mr. Chris Farah for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Now thanks everyone for joining the call. We appreciate your support and we're going to just continue to execute on our plan and look forward to speaking to everyone next quarter. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you everybody for your time.

Operator

Conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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