Duos Technologies Group Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 13, 2024

There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon. Welcome to Duos Technologies Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Joining us for today's call are Duos' CEO, Chuck Seri and CFO, Adrian Goldfarb. Following their remarks, we will open the call for your Then before we conclude today's call, I'll provide the necessary cautions regarding the forward looking statements made by management during this call. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Duo's CEO, Chuck Fery.

Operator

Sir, please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us. We've just released our press release as well as our 10 Q announcing our financial results for the Q2 of 2024 and other operational highlights. Copies of both are available in the Investor Relations section of our website. I encourage all listeners to view that release and 10 Q filing with the SEC to better understand some of the details we'll be discussing during today's call. In the last few earnings calls, I have articulated our strategy to diversify our growing technology business into areas where we have expertise and synergies with the intent to more rapidly increase our value and return on investment to our shareholders.

Speaker 1

On our call today, I'm going to report on those diversification efforts what they will mean for us going forward. We are making steady progress with our railcar inspection portal business to include ongoing installation projects with Amtrak and the planning for a new RIF installation at a large chemical manufacturer. As I reported earlier, we now have an important agreement and partnership in place with one of our long term Class 1 railroad customers, currently the largest user of our Wayside technology. The new agreement allows us to add subscribers 7 of our 13 portals, along with an 8th portal owned by a different customer. We'll talk more about this subscription offering later in the call.

Speaker 1

Our Edge Data Center business called Duos Edge AI has made fast progress commercially given the high demand for Edge Computing infrastructure. Our plans to have 4edge data centers installed in various locations in Texas this year are on schedule, and we expect recurring revenue from those data centers to begin in Q4. I just returned from a TD Cowen Data Center Investor Conference being held in Boulder, Colorado, and I can tell you that there is excitement in this industry about our business while discussing it with potential customers, investors and analysts. Our pipeline of new orders is growing, and I expect to install at least 15 more edge data centers in FY 2025. I have previously spoken about the power industry experience that the Duos team and I have from our time at APR Energy.

Speaker 1

With our entry into the data center space, data center space, we are now getting requests to participate and in some cases lead opportunities to install power and support data centers here in the United States. Based on this rapidly growing demand, we have incorporated Duos Energy Corporation as a 3rd subsidiary to Duos Technologies Group and already have a small pipeline of projects that could further accelerate our growth, our goal for more recurring revenue and profitability. We'll discuss each line of business in more detail after the financial review. So at this time, I'll turn it over to Adrian to cover our financial results. Thanks, Chuck.

Speaker 1

Following on from Chuck's introductory remarks, I would like to give a

Speaker 2

brief commentary on the recent operational highlights and my expectations as to how and when these will translate into revenue growth and most importantly profitability. As Chuck mentioned, the company is in the process of expanding into 3 distinct lines of business. Complex visualization with AI as manifested in our legacy Duarte business, the recently announced business of providing edge data centers and related operational services and the brand new subsidiary, which will focus on power provision for data centers, both edge and traditional. While these three divisions may on the face of it look as if they are not related, in fact, DUS and its management team and staff have extensive experience in all three domains. Chuck will address the 3 year strategic plan for the company in his commentary following my discussion of the financials, but from my perspective, the transition plan is expected to be complete by the end of 2024 with an expected markedly improved financial position and guidance at the conclusion of the transition period.

Speaker 2

During the last call, I stated that I believe that we are on the threshold of steadily improving results and I believe we are seeing the first signs of this in our most recent quarterly results. As such, we will detail out our plan for the remainder of 2024 and indications are that our $70 plus 1,000,000 investment in building a talented organization, intellectual property with highly defendable patents and now access to new markets with key assets that the company owns or plans to own will provide a solid foundation for the expected increasing recurring revenues. With that in mind, let us now look at the results for the Q2 and first half of twenty twenty four. During the second quarter, total revenue for the quarter decreased 15 percent to $1,510,000 compared to $1,770,000 in the 2nd quarter of 2023. Total revenue for Q2 twenty twenty four represents an aggregate of approximately $265,000 of Technology Systems revenue, but more than $1,250,000 in recurring services and consulting revenue, representing a 38% increase in this important metric.

Speaker 2

For the 6 months ended 2024, total revenue decreased 42 percent to $2,580,000 from $4,410,000 in the same period last year. Total revenue for the 6 months of 2024 represents an aggregate of approximately $500,000 of Technology Systems revenue and approximately $2,050,000 in recurring services and consulting revenue, which is also an increase in recurring revenues of 19%. Growth of the services portion of revenues was driven by successful completion and implementation of artificial intelligence detection, which represents service and support for those detections, as well as increases in service contract revenue due to higher service contract prices. For both periods, small revenues in the technology systems area reflects the ongoing delays in revenue recognition for the Amtrak installation, who as discussed previously postponed delivery last year into Q4 of this year. I'm pleased to report that although revenue was expected to be booked in Q4, the company has accelerated delivery of part of the system and we expect to report an increase in these revenues in Q3.

Speaker 2

I should caution, however, that due to the complex nature of this project at the site, further delays may be encountered such that the project might not be complete until mid 2025. Cost of revenues for the 2nd quarter increased 13% to $1,730,000 compared to $1,530,000 for Q2 2023. And for the 6 months ended 2024, cost of revenue decreased 26% to $2,700,000 from $3,640,000 in the same period last year. Both periods reflect certain cost increases related to project delivery where we expect to record higher revenues in Q3 and to the effect of the new Class 1 subscription business start up costs. Gross margin for Q2 2024 decreased 189% to negative $215,000 compared to $241,000 for Q2 2023.

Speaker 2

And for the 6 months ended 2024, gross margin decreased 115 percent to negative $120,000 from 779,000 in the same period last year. Per my previous comment, when comparing the results between the two periods, the stage of completion for production and installation to be factored into these comparisons and taken into account when analyzing the two periods. Specifically, the decrease in gross margin was driven by the timing of business activity in Q2, 2024 related to the manufacturing of 2 high speed transit focused rigs for Amtrak. As previously mentioned, the temporary decline in technology revenues was not completely offset by related ongoing costs to support that revenue segment. Operating expenses for Q2, 2024 decreased by 11% to $3,000,000 compared to $3,390,000 for Q2 2023.

Speaker 2

And for the 6 months ended 2024, operating expenses decreased 4 percent, dollars 5,860,000 from $6,070,000 in the same period last year. Company implemented a number of expense reduction measures in late 2023 and the results of these measures are now being seen in the overall financial results. The decreases being recorded are related to targeted cuts in some development and more specifically administrative costs that are offset with continued investment in sales resources as the company continues to build the commercial resources necessary to address the expansion into new markets. The expense cuts have been precise to reduce investments in certain areas where certain activities are now complete, but we continue to invest in the technology that has delivered the wide ranging patent for the RIP and associated AI. We continue to anticipate that operating expenses will remain stable throughout the remainder of 2024, but we have taken additional actions in Q3 to further improve efficiency and align our staffing address both the new and existing business areas so as not to impact the expected growth in revenue.

Speaker 2

Net operating loss for Q2 2024 totaled $3,220,000 compared to net operating loss of 3,150,000 for Q2 2023. And for the 6 months ended 2024, net operating loss totaled $5,980,000 compared to a net operating loss of $5,301,000 in the same period last year. Although operating losses were higher than the comparative quarter a year ago, the increase was proportionately less than the relative decrease in revenues and gross margin. The increase in loss from operations was primarily the result of lower revenues recorded in the 1st and second quarters as a consequence of the delays previously noted, offset by continued increases in services and consulting Net loss for the Q2 was $3,200,000 or negative $0.43 per share compared to a net loss of $2,900,000 or negative $0.42 a share for Q2 2023 with the 7% increase being lower proportionally than might have been expected with the decrease in overall revenues. For the 6 months ended 2024, net loss totaled $5,960,000 or negative $0.81 per share compared to a net loss of $5,130,000 or negative $0.72 per share in the same period last year.

Speaker 2

The increase in net loss was attributable to the decrease in revenues as previously noted above, partially offset by the increase in services and consulting revenue and a decrease in operating expenses. With regard to the balance sheet, at June 30, 2024, cash and cash equivalents was approximately $500,000 compared to $2,440,000 at December 31, 2023. In addition, the company had over $1,270,000 in receivables and contract assets for a total of approximately $1,770,000 in cash and expected short term liquidity. Dewis also has more than $1,000,000 in inventory as of June 30, 2024, consisting primarily of long lead items for future RIF installations that are expected to be recorded this year 2025. There has been a large increase in other assets, notably the recording of a $10,700,000 intangible asset, which represents the estimated fair value of 5 years of data to support the recently signed long term services and data sharing agreement executed with the previously mentioned Class 1 customer or the provision of subscription services.

Speaker 2

Total current liabilities are $5,810,000 dollars versus $3,250,000 as of December 31, 2023. Dollars 2,200,000 of this increase is non cash related to the data services agreement. Long term contract liabilities have increased by $8,500,000 reflecting the non current portion of this agreement. My overall comment on the balance sheet is that it remains stable in anticipation of the expected growth in the business in the second half of the year. Turning to backlog.

Speaker 2

At the end of the second quarter, the company's contracts in backlog and near term renewals and extensions are now more than $19,600,000 of which approximately $6,900,000 is expected to be recognized as revenue during the remainder of 2024. The balance of contract backlog comprises multi year service and software agreements as well as project revenues. It should be noted that $10,700,000 of the revenue backlog is for data access to support the new subscription business and is accounted for as a non monetary exchange that resulted from an amendment to a master material service purchase agreement with a Class 1 railroad. Before turning the call back to Chuck, I would like to address the subject of guidance. As we've discussed previously, we have experienced some difficulty in giving accurate guidance within the timeframe of the fiscal year due to the delays and uncertainties in our current market space.

Speaker 2

However, we believe the current analyst expectations annual revenue this year represent a reasonable estimate at this time. Chuck will be addressing the transition into new markets, including our growing recurring revenue initiatives such as AI and subscriptions, for which we have already announced some success this year. As we transition another few months, my expectation is that we will be able to financial commentary, and I will now pass the call back to Charles.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Eder. Let's talk first about our railcar inspection portal business and more specifically about the subscription offering. On May 17, 2024, Duos and our largest Class 1 customer executed a 5 year machine vision AI subscription partnership agreement. Much of the expansion on our balance sheet that Adrian discussed is a result of this agreement. This is the 1st Machine Vision AI Rail Safety Partnership Agreement in North America.

Speaker 1

The agreement authorizes Duos to offer shippers and railcar owners transiting their Class 1 network the opportunity to subscribe the Wayside Machine Vision AI Safety Technology. While Duos is the inventor of the railcar inspection portal and holder of 10 active U. S. Patents for this innovative wayside defect detection solution, our Class 1 customer is leading the rail industry in the deployment of machine vision AI wayside detection technology with 7 portals in the United States and Canada. More importantly, our Class 1 customer has fully integrated the portals into their mechanical inspection operations.

Speaker 1

Mechanical Carmen from the Class 1s

Speaker 2

that I have talked to say that

Speaker 1

they are getting great results using the tool and have provided good feedback that we've used to improve the system over time. Going forward, Duos and our Class I customer will emphasize standardizing machine vision AI safety technology, so the data can be easily exchanged through a subscription service with other Class 1s, regional carriers, passenger railroads and first responders. Our Railcar Inspection Portal technology can be integrated into railroad, public safety and asset management data systems with the ability to identify FRA and critical safety appliance defects and communicate alerts to train crews, train dispatchers, railroad operation centers and first responders in real time. Visual documentation of the train, railcar location within the train, car initial and number, placard and defects are all presented within 60 seconds of image capture. Currently, we subscribers that have been using the system effectively for many months now, Amtrak and another large railcar fleet operator.

Speaker 1

We are in discussions with another 20 potential subscribers, which includes car owners, shippers, short lines, passenger rail and other Class 1s. We'll continue our efforts to expand and prove out the subscription offering and keep you updated. Our Edge Data Center business, led by Data Center Industry veteran Doug Recker, is completing contract discussions that have effectively sold out our first 3 Edge data centers destined for Texas. A 4th Edge data center is close to being sold out as well. Land leases are in the process of being secured, and our in house project management team has begun the site survey work, permit requests and logistical planning to execute installations we gave this September with the expectation of revenue starting this October.

Speaker 1

These edge data centers allow for high speed connectivity, low data latency and high reliability that has not ordinarily been available in smaller and rural markets. Those who will greatly benefit are schools, hospitals, first responders, along with large farms and oil and gas operators in that region. Local leaders we are planning with for the installations are very excited and removing all obstacles to gain access to better connectivity for their communities. Our pipeline of new orders is growing, and I expect to install at least 15 more edge data centers in FY 2025 and accelerate that if possible to meet the demand. We have launched a new website specific to this business where you can learn more about how this all works at duosedge.ai.

Speaker 1

Let's talk about our new power business and what is driving it. The demand for more computing with 5 gs and AI has created a data center boom and that has also created a power shortage to meet that demand. Accelerating data center load growth is driving long lead times of 3 to 7 years to procure sufficient utility power for new hyperscale data centers across the U. S, according to analysts from PD Cowen. I have previously spoken about the power industry experience that the Duo's team and I have from our time at APR Energy.

Speaker 1

From 2016 to 2020, about 15 members of my current Duos team and I installed more than 1 gigawatt of power. During one period of intense demand in the fall of 2017, our team installed 2 power plants in South Australia, 2 power plants in Puerto Rico following Hurricane Maria and 1 more power plant in Mexico following an earthquake. All five plants were installed near simultaneous in less than 120 days. With our entry into the data center space, we are now receiving requests to participate and in some cases lead opportunities to install power and support data centers here in the United States. Based on this growing demand, we have incorporated Duos Energy Corporation as a 3rd subsidiary through our Duos Technologies family and already have a small pipeline of projects and supportive data centers that could further accelerate our plan for more recurring revenue and profitability.

Speaker 1

With all the excitement around our new divisions, I want to reiterate our commitment to progressing our railcar inspection portal subscription business. Our company has invested nearly $70,000,000 over the past 7 years to perfect this technology and patent it. There is strong evidence from across the rail industry that this technology will eventually be deployed in high numbers benefiting everyone. However, to ensure we can deliver the value and return our shareholders and what they expect, I am strongly committed to diversifying our business into other synergistic areas, where we have expertise and market conditions expect fast growth. Our team is exceptionally talented and very capable of advancing this strategy.

Speaker 1

In closing, I want to thank my Board of Directors and long term shareholders for their advice, counsel and support as we advance this strategy. Thank you for listening and we'll now open the call for your questions. Operator, would you please provide the appropriate

Operator

First question comes from Michael Latimore with Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Great. Thanks very much. So I guess, as you think about the second half of this year, I know you're not giving specific guidance, but maybe can you sort of highlight the top 2 or 3 driver incremental revenue driver second half versus first half?

Speaker 1

Yes. I'll start and I'll let this is Chuck. I'll start and I'll let Adrian clean up behind me here. At a high level, key revenues that we're expecting to come in, 1st of all, will come in from Amtrak, which is an ongoing installation project. Adrian mentioned we've already accelerated some of that revenue and that was because we've installed now the very large Edge data center, which is a part of that installation and that occurred here about a month or so ago.

Speaker 1

We've got another large contract that we're expecting to close with a large chemical producer. And then we do expect to start seeing revenues coming in with our new edge data centers that will be deployed out into the field. And Adrian, if you want to add to that, please? No.

Speaker 2

That's that pretty much describes it, Mike. I think what you'll see is you'll see a market improvement, obviously, over the past 2 quarters for Q3 related to the fact that we are now starting to push forward with the Amtrak installation. There are still some challenges around that, which I've mentioned. And then just waiting to start the other rip installation at the chem on core manufacturer. Outside of that, we are currently in discussions with about 20 different potential clients on the subscription side.

Speaker 2

And with the edge data centers, all of that we start probably will start to kick off probably in about Q4. I think what will happen is that we will the next call, the Q3 call, we'll have a much better visibility on that. But I'm expecting much better results going forward.

Speaker 3

Okay. Got it. Great. And then I think in the press release you talked about winning customers already for Edge Data Center and that amounts to I think $1,000,000 of ARR starting in the Q4. Does that assume kind of full capacity of those 3 edge data centers, that $1,000,000 of ARR?

Speaker 1

Yes. So it does. So we expect those to be filled to capacity. Again, these edge data centers are effectively small scale co location data centers, which is why they're pretty in high demand. And we expect them to have filled out.

Speaker 1

So the way that kind of the operational cadence works, you get it installed, you bring the power and fiber up in the Edge data center. And in general, we expect about a 30 day period where customers start to come in, fill out that data center. So about 30 days after we commercially turn it on, it's effectively filled with those long term and recurring customers inside those data centers.

Speaker 3

Yes. Okay. And then Chuck, did you say you had 15 people on staff that are kind of experienced in the energy world?

Speaker 1

Yes, we do. So we have a staff of about 70 folks total. Of that, at least 15 are prior APR Energy employees is I'm very fortunate that employees that used to work for me will come back and work for me a second time, which is very helpful. In those 15, they go across all of the skill sets that you need to commercially develop financially plan for, engineer, procure, install and then operate and maintain power plants. In this case, again, it's kind of a convergence of what we're doing inside the edge data center space and the data center industry at large.

Speaker 1

When some of the customers and some of the data center analysts found out that we have all this power experience, all of a sudden, a lot of these power opportunities against data centers are have become have been presented to us. And so I think we're going to take advantage of the time we have on staff and our know how in that space and participate in that.

Speaker 3

Okay, great. Best of luck. Thanks.

Speaker 1

Thanks so much, Mike.

Operator

Next question comes from Richard Jackson with True North Financial. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Yes. Congratulations on moving most of the business to a subscription model. I always thought that was the place to be long term. Can you give us a range of what gross margins and operating margins you're targeting for that subscription business? Is it vastly different between the power and the data and your railcar monitoring?

Speaker 1

Yes, I'll let Adrian cover the subscription part and I can talk to the data center and the power. Go ahead.

Speaker 2

Yes. So from a subscription standpoint, the margins are very high and that's because the marginal cost of putting in a subscription is not that much. So typically, you're looking for margin gross margin at minimum range of 70%. And then typically, we expect that to increase over time and get up into close to the 90% range as is typical with that type of business. And that's kind of been our aim with all of the businesses now that we're currently looking at.

Speaker 1

So on the edge data centers, again, there's obviously there's a cost, again, because we own and operate these edge data centers. So obviously, there's costs going in, but those costs are effectively capitalized over the life of a 5 year recurring contracts. And so once that thing is up and operational, we expect gross margins to be at least in the 60% to 70% or higher area. On a power plant project, ones that are against these data centers right now, we would expect again, there's going in costs. The good news in this sector is that the data center operators and developers have shown a high willingness to pay upfront milestone payments to offset the costs of going into a power project.

Speaker 1

Once you're in there, again, good recurring revenue, typically 5 years or more. And we would expect a gross margin to be probably in the 50% to 60% aisle range with that particular business. Again, we're pushing a lot of the costs from an overhead perspective above the line, and then try to really bifurcate that G and A cost below to show a true what we're truly running at. One other comment on that, Richard, is that as compared to some subscription businesses, although the level of

Speaker 2

the number of customers is typically on the lower end just because of the industries they're in, the churn rate is extremely low. All of the contracts we look at are typically minimum multiyear contracts and can go on for

Speaker 1

a long time. So that's one of

Speaker 2

the beauties, it's not only a high margin, but it's also a low churn business.

Speaker 4

So you need capital, you have an idea of how much yet?

Speaker 1

Yes. Right now, we're not sizing out any capital right now. The Edge Data Center business, like we said, we've effectively funded the first four. The intention is to get those first four up and prove out the economics with that, and then we'll see what that looks like from there. That business could readily be funded from asset backed debt financing.

Speaker 1

I'm not saying it's how we'll do that, but it can be. So there are ways to do that without diluting current shareholders. On the power side, there's a lot of different options there with, I'll call it, the data center nuclear arms race. There are data center developers and operators that are willing to fund a lot of that as part of a power deal. So we'll see what that looks like and keep everybody updated.

Speaker 4

All right. Thank you. Keep going.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Richard. Thanks.

Operator

Next question, Ed Woo with Ascendiant Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Yes. Hi. I just had a question about your pipeline. And has there been any change in the sales cycles as you try to get these new contracts? And is there different sales cycles with your railroad business and with the data center business?

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Speaker 1

That's a great question. And yes, there is a big difference in the sales cycle timeline between the rail and the edge data center. And I'll talk to the power side of this in a moment. So again, the rail the cycle foreclosing rail CapEx deals as typically, as we've seen, taking sometimes 12 to 24 months. It can be a bit painstaking, but that really hasn't changed that much.

Speaker 1

On the subscription side, we're seeing it's probably taken about 4 to 6, maybe even 8 months to close a large subscriber subscription customer. Again, we're on the very front end of this. We've only been able to really, truly offer a subscription to these portals for about the last 60 days. So we got a lot of interesting customers. And so I think we'll have to come back to you in a couple of months to really give you an accurate metric for how long it's taking to close those customers.

Speaker 1

On the edge data center side, what we're seeing is that once we find a customer who, in our cases, has actually been funded by federal and state infrastructure dollars and being granted that money. We get into a conversation with them. The closure rate with them is about 60 to 90 days. And sometimes it's even faster. Now once we actually get interest from them and we start discussing the getting into contracts, now there's a pipeline of about, let's call it, about 90 days to actually manufacture the Edge data center.

Speaker 1

Month number 4, you're actually installing the data center. By month number 5, you're filling it up. So we're probably talking about from interest to edge data center in the ground and producing recurring revenue, let's call it about 6 months for that. On the power side, I don't have any specific data points right now for putting power up against data centers. But right now, it appears that both Adrian and I were out at a T.

Speaker 1

D. Cowen Investor Conference, where the best and brightest of that industry were there to include data center builders and hyperscalers. There are data center locations that need power now. So now it's a matter of how fast we can bring it to them. Again, I think on our next call, I'll be able to tell you with a little bit more clarity about what the interest to closure cycle looks like on that.

Speaker 5

Great. Well, thanks for giving me answer my questions, and I wish you guys good luck. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Ed. Appreciate it.

Operator

At this time, this concludes our question and answer session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Ferry for his closing.

Speaker 1

Again, I'd like to thank the audience for joining us today. And as always, I want to double thank all my Board members and most especially our shareholders and our especially our long term shareholders for your support. I think our strategy is one that is going to be very lucrative for us going forward, like Adrian said, and we look forward to keeping you updated. I'll turn the call back over to our operator. Thank you.

Operator

Before we conclude today's call, I would like to provide Duo's Safe Harbor statement that includes important cautions regarding forward looking statements made during this call. This earnings call contains forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking terminology such as believes, expects, may, will, should, anticipates, plans and their opposites or similar expressions are intended to identify forward looking statements. We caution you that these statements are not guarantees of future performance or events and are subject to a number of uncertainties, risks and other influences, many of which are beyond our control, which may influence the accuracy of the statements and the projections upon which the statements are based and could cause Duos Technologies Group, Inc. Actual results to differ materially from those anticipated by the forward looking statements.

Operator

These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those described in Item 1A in Duo's Annual Report on Form 10 ks, which is expressly incorporated herein by reference and other factors as may periodically be described in Duo's filings with the SEC. Thank you for joining us today for Duos Technologies Group's Q2 2024 Earnings Call. You may now disconnect.

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