NYSE:BWLP BW LPG Q2 2024 Earnings Report $9.46 +0.24 (+2.55%) Closing price 04/17/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$9.48 +0.01 (+0.11%) As of 04/17/2025 05:38 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast BW LPG EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.58Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ABW LPG Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$876.49 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ABW LPG Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date8/22/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, August 22, 2024Conference Call Time8:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsBW LPG's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 20, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by BW LPG Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 22, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to BW LPG's Q2 2024 Financial Results Presentation. Bringing you through the presentation today are CEO, Christian Sorenson and CFO, Samantha Xie. We are pleased to answer questions at the end of the presentation. Should you have any, please type them into the Q and A function in your Zoom panel. Operator00:00:22You may also use the raise hand option. Before we begin, we wish to highlight the legal disclaimers shown on the current slide. This presentation held on Zoom is also recorded. I now turn the call over to Christian. Speaker 100:00:41Thank you, Lisa, and hi, everyone, and welcome to our 2024 Q2 presentation. Thank you for taking time to join us today as we present our financial results and recent events. It's been an eventful period for our company. So let's turn to Slide 4. Before we talk about the more recent events, let's focus on the Q2 numbers where we are pleased to report another good quarter for our fleet with time charter equivalent in line with our guiding of $9,000 per day. Speaker 100:01:17We're also happy to report another profitable quarter for our trading activity in Product Services with a net accounting profit just below $16,000,000 As you will see from Slide 16, with our usual waterfall illustration of Product Services performance, there was a $29,000,000 profit from realized positions, which were offset against an unrealized net loss from physical and paper hedging positions. Following our good results, our board declared a dividend of $0.58 per share, which corresponds to 100 percent payout of our shipping NPAT of $0.48 plus 0.10 dollars top up from Product Services. The biggest news is the subsequent event of last week where we announced the acquisition of the 12 Avance Gas Field Disease for a total transaction price of $1,050,000,000 This transaction is a major milestone and shows our capacity to strike transactions with big scale and strategic significance. It also propels BW LPG forward as a leading VLGC shipping and LPG value chain player. On the next slide, we will look at the highlights of the transaction, which was enabled by our successful listing on the New York Stock Exchange, which has boosted their liquidity and robustness in our share. Speaker 100:02:39Looking at the market outlook. We are currently in the market, which is on its way back from the summer doldrums, with a spot rate bottomed out around $30,000 per day from the U. S. Gulf because of disruptions in the terminals lifting program after the Hurricane Beryl. Demand side in the consuming market in East of Suez continue showing robust growth, and the FFA market is pricing December liftings around $50,000 per day. Speaker 100:03:05More about the market developments later in the presentation. Let's turn to Page 5 for a repeat of last week's announcements. For us as a company, we have historically had a clear preference for growing our fleet with vessels on the water without adding capacity to the global fleet. We did so when we acquired the Maersk VLGC fleet in 2013 as well as the Aurora LPG fleet 3 years later. So for us, this transaction was of the same scale and strategic magnitude where we overnight create a much bigger footprint commercially and a much larger company for the capital market to invest in. Speaker 100:03:47Through the transaction, a larger fleet will give us commercial advantages of scale, more flexibility and market power. Moreover, the acquired 12 vessels will contribute to renewal of our fleet, and we will own and operate 53 VLGCs by the start of 2025, where all 2022 are dual fuel. However, to do this transaction at this point in the cycle, it was essential for us to use our share as currency in a way which is accretive to our shareholders. Out of the total purchase price of $1,050,000,000 which $500,000,000 in debt, we will effectively fund 60% of the net asset value by issuing 19,282,000 new shares at $17.25 equaling $333,000,000 AvanceGas will have a 40 calendar day lock up period for the shares received when the vessels are delivered ship by ship in the Q4. Consequently, we are increasing our total shares outstanding by 15% while adding more than 40% earnings power through the expansion of our own fleets. Speaker 100:05:01The balance of the net asset value in the transaction is to be financed by cash at hand and drawdown of our current revolvers. The transaction is fully funded and financed with BW Group providing us with a revolving unsecured shareholder loan of up to $350,000,000 allowing us to comfortably take over the 10 Avance vessels with bank loans and swiftly refinance. The sale leaseback facility currently financing 2 other vessels will be innovated soon. On a like for like basis post transaction, our liquidity will remain at a healthy level of $343,000,000 before any refinancing effect to optimize the liquidity position. Net leverage ratio is expected to increase to 30% to 35%, a healthy and more optimal level than the 7% to 12% range we have reported the last few quarters. Speaker 100:05:55This is our positive market view. This illustrates the attractiveness and accretiveness in the Street acquisition, which expands our market leading business platform while we maintain our robust balance sheet. Let's turn to the next slide to look at the latest market developments. After a slow couple of months over the summer, the U. S. Speaker 100:06:18Exports have picked up from the delays caused by Hurricane Barrel. And the export volumes from the enterprise and target terminals in U. S. Gulf are catching up with the backlog. The most recent report from Gibson Ship Brokers shows an uptick of 10 VLGC export cargoes from July to August, meaning the number of VLGC loadings in the U. Speaker 100:06:38S, including the East Coast, will arrive at $104 for the month of August. The price differential between the U. S. And the Far East is currently around $2.30 per tonne, leaving room for higher freight rates on the back of tighter availability of ships as we have seen over the last weeks. Heading into the winter season, the forward market is pricing the Houston Chiba benchmark leg at around $50,000 per day, and this is without any Panama Canal delays for VLGCs, indicating an upside on the rates should the canal become more congested. Speaker 100:07:14If we look further out on the horizon, there are firm expansion plans from the 3 bigger terminals on the U. S. Gulf Coast starting second half next year. And we view these $1,000,000,000 investments as positive for shipping demand when coupled with continued demand growth in the Asian markets. In the Middle East, the annual export volumes are pretty much stable with seasonal reduction in export volumes over the summer due to maintenance and higher domestic consumption. Speaker 100:07:43According to Gibson's, the number of VLGC cargoes has fluctuated between 55 to 60 per month since May. What is interesting is that around 50% of these volumes end up in the increasingly important Indian markets, which leaves the import markets further east in Asia more dependent on cargoes from the U. S, which in turn is supporting shipping. For a period of time, there have been mixed signals from the overall Chinese economy, but the Chinese import demand for LPG and in particular propane continues to grow on the back of scheduled PDH plant expansions. As a final comment on the status of the LPG market, there's a lot of focus on the demand growth in China and the Indian subcontinent, while the rise of the Southeast Asian market is overlooked by many observers. Speaker 100:08:33This region with growing population and prosperity imported around 13,000,000 tons of LPG last year and is surfacing as a considerable consumer of LPG, which also sources significant volumes from the U. S. Looking at the supply side of the VLGC market, we have entered a period of modest fleet growth for the next 18 months. In addition, if you look at the fleet profile for vessels 15 years and younger, there are 35 VLGCs going into drydock this year, while the number increases to 65 next year, which under normal circumstances will reduce the global fleet capacity. And with that, I leave the floor to you, Samantha. Speaker 200:09:17Thank you, Christian, and hello, everyone. So let's have a closer look of the shipping performance. For the Q2 2024, we delivered TCE of $48,000 per calendar day and $49,700 per available day, a continued solid performance on shipping. We have a healthy coverage through our time charter and FFA portfolio, which represents about 39% of our shipping exposure. For the Q3, we have fixed 86% of the available days at about $43,300 per day. Speaker 200:09:56For 2024, our time charter out fleet generates a profit of around $27,000,000 over the time charter in fleet. The remaining of our fixed time charter out portfolio is estimated to generate $68,000,000 for year 2024. Coming to product services, we are pleased to share that it delivered another quarter of a strong performance. In Q2, product services yielded net profit of $16,000,000 contributed by a gross profit of $25,000,000 after netting of G and A and tax provisions. After deducting share capital returns concluded in Q2, the net asset value ended in June at $69,000,000 The gross profit of $25,000,000 includes a realized gain of $29,000,000 as mentioned, offset by $5,000,000 of unrealized cargo and derivative loss. Speaker 200:10:54Due to increased fiscal forward volume from the new multi year term contract with enterprise products partners being phased in and included in the 12 months rolling mark to market valuation, we may see larger movements in unrealized positions in the future quarter as cargo price fluctuates. The reported net profit does not include the $31,000,000 unrealized fiscal shipping position based on our internal valuation. For Q2, we reported an average VaR of $5,000,000 on a well balanced trading book, including cargoes, shipping and derivatives. Going on to our financial highlights. On the back of good performance from both shipping and product services segment, we reported a net profit after tax of $85,000,000 in Q2, including profit of $12,000,000 from BW LPG India and $16,000,000 from product services. Speaker 200:11:58Profit attributable to equity holders of the company was $77,000,000 for the quarter, which translated to an earnings per share of $0.58 This means an annualized earnings yield of 12% when compared against our share price at the end of June. We reported a net leverage ratio of 12% in Q2, an increase from 7% reported at the end of March, mainly driven by our cash position changes. As we progressively take delivery of the newly acquired 12 VLGCs, which mostly estimate to be in Q4, we expect that our net leverage ratio will gradually increase to an approximation of 30% to 35% range as we slowly draw down on our revolving credit facilities. For Q2, the Board declared a dividend of $0.58 per share, a 100% payout of the company NPAT or 121 percent of shipping NPAT. This reassures our continuous commitment to return value to our shareholders as we deliver growth to our business. Speaker 200:13:10The balance sheet ended the quarter with a shareholder equity of $1,600,000,000 and our annualized Q2 return on equity and on capital employed were 21% 17% respectively. Year to date OpEx per day arrived at $8,600 a slight reduction than last quarter. For 2024, we expect our own fleet's operating cash breakeven to be about $17,800 and $22,300 for the whole fleet including the time charters. As you can see, we continue to have a healthy repayment profile with outstanding shipping loan at $230,000,000 of which BW LPG India term loan of $127,000,000 is only due to be refinanced in 2026, a very manageable position. On the liquidity side, we ended Q2 with a strong position of 578,000,000 which paved the way for the announced Advanced Gas fleet acquisition. Speaker 200:14:15The vessel's delivery will be carried out from 15th September to end December. By the time when all the vessels have been delivered, our liquidity is expected to remain healthy at a level of R343,000,000 with the estimate that R235,000,000 is drawn from our current revolvers. We also expect to gradually draw down the revolving shareholder loan of $350,000,000 in part or in full to fund the vessels' delivery. The shareholder loan makes sure the transaction can progress swiftly and that we can refinance with an improved term post vessel delivery. We expect the net fleet refinancing to be initiated as soon as possible while working on other refinancing projects to optimize the balance sheet. Speaker 200:15:07We are confident to maintain a healthy leverage and financing structure as well as a sustainable repayment profile with a grow fleet. On the product service side, trade finance drawn stood at a moderate level of $159,000,000 or 20% of our available credit line leaving a healthy headroom for growth. With that, I would like to conclude my updates and back to you Lisa. Operator00:15:36Thank you, Samantha. We will open the floor for questions now. We will open the floor for questions now. We have one question from Peter. Peter, please go ahead. Speaker 300:16:24Good afternoon. Yes, this is Peter Hagen from ABG asking. In terms of the cost side of taking over those 12 VLGCs, could you give some specific guiding on just how we should model that going into Q3 and further into Q4, potentially also impacting in Q1? Speaker 100:16:54Hi, Peter. Costs, can you be a bit more specific what you are thinking of? Speaker 300:17:00Well, in terms of doing inspections and so forth, I would assume that the handover would take longer than what the normal turnaround would be. And if there are any well, any planned nonrevenue making days needed for the transaction to sort of go along. Or if it's no cost, Kristian, that's just fantastic. Speaker 100:17:31Well, the way it works is that this contract is that these vessels, the transaction is done on standard sale form terms in shipping, where you inspect with the underwater inspection and have the delivery of the vessel at the same time as you pay for the ships and then the ship is in our hands. So there is no difference from a regular sale and purchase transaction to this transaction in that respect. Speaker 300:18:08Yes, I understand. But in terms of the revenue days in this time period, so are you capable of fixing prior to the inspection and the delivery for sort of effectively not having lost revenue days when taking over the ships? Speaker 100:18:28Well, the ships are for advanced cost until we have taken delivery. So and they can deliver the ship typically in Asia and then we balance the ship into the Middle East and LODO goes back to the U. S. Gulf. So it depends on the position of the ship. Speaker 100:18:49But all the cost for the vessel up until delivery to BW LPG is as per normal sale and purchase transactions for the sellers at the sellers' expense. Of course, the inspection is and the regular, let's say, procedure around that is at our cost. But this is nothing I mean, there's no material costs to be thought of in this respect on our side. Speaker 300:19:19Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. And if I just follow-up on a quick one on the market outlook. So this time, you talk about the future growth for the next 3 years, which is at least in what I can read, longer than what you normally have guided for. Speaker 300:19:40Could you shed some light on what sort of considerations you have been making to make statements now going into 'twenty six? And perhaps also shed some light on why you think the U. S. LPG export growth is going to be in the high single digit territory also in the coming few years? Speaker 100:20:06Yes, sure. I mean, we usually take our view have a view 2 to 3 years out in time based on our own data collection. And I think the way we see and I said this before, the way we see that the big terminals and the big players in U. S. Gulf are gearing up and investing and also guiding on their volumes is on top of our own data gathering supporting this. Speaker 100:20:40So we have we source our data from various sources. And of course, we also take a look at what the big infrastructure players in the U. S. Gulf are planning for because this is obviously having a big impact on the capacity and what they also see as the potential for exports going forward. Speaker 300:21:09Okay. Thank you. I'll hand it over. Operator00:21:13Thank you, Peter. Erik, you're next. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:21:18Yes. Hi. Just a question because you've taken some coverage recently, but obviously now with another 12 vessels, you're kind of naked going into 25, 26. So with your at least on a percentage basis, so as you're increasing your financial leverage, should we expect you to also then maybe be a bit more aggressive on time charters now going into peak season? Or will you be happy with 15% coverage with a much bigger fleet? Speaker 100:21:55Yes. I think without promising anything or guaranteeing anything, like I have guided on previously, we are quite happy with the coverage that we've had over the last years, which has been in the range 35%, little bit higher percent. So I think for us, we like to have exposure to the market, but we also want to and have always had a certain downside protection being somewhere in the 30% to 40% range of our fleet capacity. So I think that's kind of what I can say at the moment. But yes, if that answers your question. Speaker 400:22:44Yes. No, that's good. And just to follow-up on the cost question, but more so on your efficient G and A, should we expect I mean the addition of Avan's those vessels, will it do a lot to your organization? Or is it just something you'll swallow with the team you have now? Speaker 100:23:02Yes. We are able to absorb that basically with the team now. So there is no plans to increase the number of people or the G and A in any way. Speaker 400:23:15Excellent. Thank you very much. Speaker 100:23:17Hopefully to the contrary. Speaker 400:23:21Good. Operator00:23:24We have another question from Johanna. Johanna, please go ahead. Speaker 500:23:29Hello. Thank you. I'm Johanna Pinera, a reporter for August Media. I'm curious to know how BWC is the new announcement from Panama Canal for long term slot reservation. So I would like to understand how VW thinks that will impact the market and how it will, if it's interested in securing some slots as well? Speaker 500:23:58Thank you. Speaker 100:23:59Yes, thanks for the question. We have actually spent quite a bit of time trying to decipher this and what it means for us. And the conclusion is that I don't think we will bid in for this tender. I think that's it's more designed for containerships and the likes, which are shuttling back and forth the way we see it. Speaker 500:24:28If I can, just a follow-up, because that is going to use up about 40% of those lots that go for auctions. So can we expect that to be included in some there will be more less vessels or less slots around for auctions? So is that a factor at play here? Speaker 100:24:57The Panama Canal is basically designed for container ships, and you can say LNG carriers also prioritize the VLGCs. So we're quite and the Panama Canal is a big black box and a wildcard in our market. So what's happening there has a big impact, but for the dynamics in the market, but it's hard for us to also justify going in on a tender where you book slots because we don't we are in a market where you have the chart is option to discharge in Europe or go to Asia or other parts after loading or the world after loading in the U. S. So I think for us, we are as it looks now at least better off to play the spot market, so to say, in the Panamax now. Speaker 500:25:59It's okay. Thank you. Operator00:26:01Thank you. Alex, please go ahead Axel, please go ahead. Speaker 100:26:06Yes. Thank you. Axel Sturman from Kepler Cheuvreux. So a question related to the Product Services division. Do you have any do you plan to ramp up the activity now as you grow the VLGC fleet to such a big scale as you're doing? Speaker 100:26:27Well, we announced an extension of the enterprise contract last quarter. So there are no plans to further expand on a contract basis more than we already have announced. Operator00:26:56We will now move on to questions from the Q and A channel. Kajal, over to you. Speaker 600:27:01Yes. So we have one question here from the audience asking if you could elaborate on how much additional free cash flow earnings you expect to generate from the larger fleet post acquisition and the long run dividend per share, assuming TCE remains approximately at current levels? Speaker 200:27:24Yes, thanks for the question. I think, first of all, is that without a doubt adding 12 vessels to the fleet is definitely increasing the revenue generation potentials. We expect that this fleet to perform at a similar level of our existing fleet as well as on the cost front as well. So I think that that would likely give you a very good guidance in terms of based on our cash breakeven and the market where it's trending, our guiding on the coverage, etcetera, will probably give you a very good idea where the free cash flow will likely lend following the market fluctuations. And as from a dividend perspective, we will well, as we shared many times, this is at the Board's discretion. Speaker 200:28:31We would largely follow the dividend policies while maintaining to distribute values back to the shareholders as much as possible. I hope that answered your questions. Speaker 600:28:48Yes. And then we'll go over to a question from Dasha Herr asking in terms of terminal export capacity, is it pre booked? Or do you pay spot for terminal pricing? Speaker 100:29:03I can just answer in general, if you enter a term contract with the terminal the export terminals in the U. S. Gulf, you have a pricing mechanism, which is agreed on a case by case basis depending on the negotiations with the terminal, which again boils down to flexibility, volume, duration and so on. And if you play the spot market, then of course, you are exposed to the supply and demand there and then when you want to buy the cargo. So this is quite as in any other market, I think quite normal. Speaker 600:29:43And Dasha is following up with a second question. What are the specific projects expansions you're looking at? What should increase LPG export capacity in the U. S, Canada? Speaker 100:29:55Yes. So if you look at our slide, we are mentioning enterprise energy transfer. We also know, I mean, that in Canada, there are plans for ramping up the exports on the West Coast of Canada. So I think there are there's a fairly long list of expansion plans on the terminal infrastructure side in the U. S. Speaker 100:30:25And Canada for over the next years. Argus actually have in their last since they had Argus on the line here just now in the last monthly review, they had a long list of they showed the different expansion plans, which are confirmed in the U. S. Gulf. So I think the companies are quite open about this since they're also stock listed. Speaker 600:30:53Then we have a question from Aman here asking, we see most ship owners in LPG are opting to order new build very large ammonia carriers. Does BW LPG also have any plans or intend to focus on VLACs or ammonia trade? Speaker 100:31:12Thanks for the question. If you go back in time, we were one of the biggest shipping companies in the ammonia space actually. These ships the last ship I think was sold in 2019. That was a large gas carrier, which is the size below VLGCs. So we are not strangers to trading in ammonia. Speaker 100:31:37At the moment, we do not have any ammonia lifting capacity on our ships except for in the Indian fleet, which are tied up in trading LPG from the Middle East to India. So we are absolutely believers in the ammonia case going forward, but we do not have any VLACs on order at the moment. But let's see what the future brings. Like I said, we are no strangers to trading and lifting cargoes in the ammonia space. Speaker 600:32:17And Aman is also following up on that answer. There are concerns for oversupply in LPG shipping, especially for VLGCs with 40 something VLACs scheduled for delivery in 2026, 2027. Any thoughts of how it would impact the earnings? Speaker 100:32:37Like in any other shipping market, if you have overcapacity in the fleet, of course, that will impact the rates negatively. So it depends on how the LPG volumes are expanding in the period from now up to 2026, 2027 and also, of course, how the much talked about ammonia projects are materializing in the same period and towards the end of this decade. So this is, I would say, dollars 1,000,000 question. And unlike in any other shipping segments, of course, overcapacity is a challenge if that occurs. Speaker 600:33:23Next, a question from Knut. He has two questions. The redomiciliation to Singapore, tax wise, will the company still be assumed to be outside the exemption method according to Norwegian tax legislation? 2nd question, when will the new shares related to the Avanz Gas transaction be issued? Speaker 100:33:44I can start off with replying to number 2 and then I leave to Samantha to reply the first question. So the Avansgas will receive their shares when the ships are being delivered. So every ship has a pre agreed portion of shares and cash to be paid before they are delivered to us. And then for the next question, I leave that to Samantha to reply on, please. Speaker 200:34:16Yes. Could I maybe I will ask you to elaborate a little bit on what you mean by the exemption methods about the Norwegian tax legislation. But basically there is no change as for the investors domicile in Norway how the tax status has changed. Still now we have a redone side to Singapore. There is no withholding tax applied for dividend paid from the BW LPG to the investors around the world. Speaker 200:34:54And as for either as a dividend or in a case of a share buyback, all the proceeds will be taxable based on the investor's tax status. I hope that answers your question. Speaker 600:35:14And then we have another question from Troom asking the fleet taken over from Avance is younger than your current fleet and probably more fuel efficient. How will this impact on your average OpEx? Speaker 100:35:28Yes, we hope that it will impact positively on our OpEx. So and like you say, the fleet is a few years younger on the average than our current fleet. So that's also one of the parts we found attractive with this transaction. So we hope that we can benefit from that and also from the scale when adding 12 more ships to our fleets. Operator00:35:57Final call. Should you have questions, please type them into the Q and A channel. You can also click the raise hand button to ask your question verbally. Please note that participants have been automatically muted. Please press unmute before speaking. Operator00:36:17There being no questions, over to you Christian. Speaker 100:36:23We had one question just at the end here. Is there more analyst coverage in the U. S. A? We are working on it. Speaker 100:36:32So we hope that more equity analysts in the States will take up coverage of our share in company, especially now that we are growing in size. So that's something we are working on. Speaker 600:36:51Yes. And then we have a question from Damian. How many shares of the company belong to owners, directors? And how many are traded on New York Stock Exchange and also Stock Exchange approximately? Speaker 100:37:11I think we there is an overview. We report on this. So it's something you can find on our website or we can if you send the mail to our IR email, we can reply to you on that, if that's fine, Damian. Speaker 600:37:38And then we have one question from Johanna. How has ETS impacting the market so far? Speaker 100:37:48I would say that ETS has impacted the market in the sense that there is more focus on newer vessels. And of course, the fact that we now have 22 ships with dual fuel technology on the water by the end of the year is something which is to our advantage in that sense. So overall, it's shifting the focus and the preference in the market slowly towards more fuel efficient and environmentally friendly vessels with the latest technology. Speaker 600:38:32No more questions. Speaker 100:38:35Okay, everyone. Then I'd like to thank you all for joining us today. And thank you for your support, and we see you again next quarter. Operator00:38:46Thank you for attending BW LPG's Q2 2024 Financial Results Presentation. More information on BW LPG and BW Product Services are available at www.bwlpg.com and www.bwproductservices.com respectively. Have a good day and a good night.Read morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallBW LPG Q2 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckInterim report BW LPG Earnings HeadlinesBW LPG provides update on Q1 Product Services segment performanceApril 17 at 7:29 PM | markets.businessinsider.comBW LPG Limited - Update on BW LPG’s Product Services Q1 2025 Segment PerformanceApril 16 at 2:44 AM | finance.yahoo.com[Action Required] Claim Your FREE IRS Loophole GuideThis shouldn't surprise anyone who's been paying attention, but... Pres. Trump may be about to unleash the biggest "dollar reset" since 1971.April 19, 2025 | Colonial Metals (Ad)BW LPG Executes Share Buy-Back ProgramApril 16 at 1:43 AM | tipranks.comBW LPG Limited - Update on BW LPG's Product Services Q1 2025 Segment PerformanceApril 16 at 1:43 AM | investing.comBW LPG Limited - Repurchase of own sharesApril 16 at 1:43 AM | investing.comSee More BW LPG Headlines Get Earnings Announcements in your inboxWant to stay updated on the latest earnings announcements and upcoming reports for companies like BW LPG? Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on BW LPG and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About BW LPGBW LPG (NYSE:BWLP), an investment holding company, engages in ship owning and chartering activities worldwide. The company operates through Shipping and Product Services segments. The company involved in the transportation of liquefied petroleum gas to oil companies, and trading and utility companies. It also offers integrated liquified petroleum gas (LPG) delivery services and support; wholesale and trade of LPG; and management services. It owns and operates LPG vessels and a fleet of very large gas carriers. The company was formerly known as BW Gas LPG Holding Limited and changed its name to BW LPG Limited in September 2013. BW LPG Limited was founded in 1935 and is headquartered in Singapore.View BW LPG ProfileRead more More Earnings Resources from MarketBeat Earnings Tools Today's Earnings Tomorrow's Earnings Next Week's Earnings Upcoming Earnings Calls Earnings Newsletter Earnings Call Transcripts Earnings Beats & Misses Corporate Guidance Earnings Screener Earnings By Country U.S. Earnings Reports Canadian Earnings Reports U.K. Earnings Reports Latest Articles Archer Aviation Unveils NYC Network Ahead of Key Earnings Report3 Reasons to Like the Look of Amazon Ahead of EarningsTesla Stock Eyes Breakout With Earnings on DeckJohnson & Johnson Earnings Were More Good Than Bad—Time to Buy? Why Analysts Boosted United Airlines Stock Ahead of EarningsLamb Weston Stock Rises, Earnings Provide Calm Amidst ChaosIntuitive Machines Gains After Earnings Beat, NASA Missions Ahead Upcoming Earnings Tesla (4/22/2025)Intuitive Surgical (4/22/2025)Verizon Communications (4/22/2025)Canadian National Railway (4/22/2025)Novartis (4/22/2025)RTX (4/22/2025)3M (4/22/2025)Capital One Financial (4/22/2025)General Electric (4/22/2025)Danaher (4/22/2025) Get 30 Days of MarketBeat All Access for Free Sign up for MarketBeat All Access to gain access to MarketBeat's full suite of research tools. Start Your 30-Day Trial MarketBeat All Access Features Best-in-Class Portfolio Monitoring Get personalized stock ideas. Compare portfolio to indices. Check stock news, ratings, SEC filings, and more. Stock Ideas and Recommendations See daily stock ideas from top analysts. Receive short-term trading ideas from MarketBeat. Identify trending stocks on social media. Advanced Stock Screeners and Research Tools Use our seven stock screeners to find suitable stocks. Stay informed with MarketBeat's real-time news. Export data to Excel for personal analysis. Sign in to your free account to enjoy these benefits In-depth profiles and analysis for 20,000 public companies. Real-time analyst ratings, insider transactions, earnings data, and more. Our daily ratings and market update email newsletter. Sign in to your free account to enjoy all that MarketBeat has to offer. Sign In Create Account Your Email Address: Email Address Required Your Password: Password Required Log In or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google Forgot your password? Your Email Address: Please enter your email address. Please enter a valid email address Choose a Password: Please enter your password. Your password must be at least 8 characters long and contain at least 1 number, 1 letter, and 1 special character. Create My Account (Free) or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google By creating a free account, you agree to our terms of service. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to BW LPG's Q2 2024 Financial Results Presentation. Bringing you through the presentation today are CEO, Christian Sorenson and CFO, Samantha Xie. We are pleased to answer questions at the end of the presentation. Should you have any, please type them into the Q and A function in your Zoom panel. Operator00:00:22You may also use the raise hand option. Before we begin, we wish to highlight the legal disclaimers shown on the current slide. This presentation held on Zoom is also recorded. I now turn the call over to Christian. Speaker 100:00:41Thank you, Lisa, and hi, everyone, and welcome to our 2024 Q2 presentation. Thank you for taking time to join us today as we present our financial results and recent events. It's been an eventful period for our company. So let's turn to Slide 4. Before we talk about the more recent events, let's focus on the Q2 numbers where we are pleased to report another good quarter for our fleet with time charter equivalent in line with our guiding of $9,000 per day. Speaker 100:01:17We're also happy to report another profitable quarter for our trading activity in Product Services with a net accounting profit just below $16,000,000 As you will see from Slide 16, with our usual waterfall illustration of Product Services performance, there was a $29,000,000 profit from realized positions, which were offset against an unrealized net loss from physical and paper hedging positions. Following our good results, our board declared a dividend of $0.58 per share, which corresponds to 100 percent payout of our shipping NPAT of $0.48 plus 0.10 dollars top up from Product Services. The biggest news is the subsequent event of last week where we announced the acquisition of the 12 Avance Gas Field Disease for a total transaction price of $1,050,000,000 This transaction is a major milestone and shows our capacity to strike transactions with big scale and strategic significance. It also propels BW LPG forward as a leading VLGC shipping and LPG value chain player. On the next slide, we will look at the highlights of the transaction, which was enabled by our successful listing on the New York Stock Exchange, which has boosted their liquidity and robustness in our share. Speaker 100:02:39Looking at the market outlook. We are currently in the market, which is on its way back from the summer doldrums, with a spot rate bottomed out around $30,000 per day from the U. S. Gulf because of disruptions in the terminals lifting program after the Hurricane Beryl. Demand side in the consuming market in East of Suez continue showing robust growth, and the FFA market is pricing December liftings around $50,000 per day. Speaker 100:03:05More about the market developments later in the presentation. Let's turn to Page 5 for a repeat of last week's announcements. For us as a company, we have historically had a clear preference for growing our fleet with vessels on the water without adding capacity to the global fleet. We did so when we acquired the Maersk VLGC fleet in 2013 as well as the Aurora LPG fleet 3 years later. So for us, this transaction was of the same scale and strategic magnitude where we overnight create a much bigger footprint commercially and a much larger company for the capital market to invest in. Speaker 100:03:47Through the transaction, a larger fleet will give us commercial advantages of scale, more flexibility and market power. Moreover, the acquired 12 vessels will contribute to renewal of our fleet, and we will own and operate 53 VLGCs by the start of 2025, where all 2022 are dual fuel. However, to do this transaction at this point in the cycle, it was essential for us to use our share as currency in a way which is accretive to our shareholders. Out of the total purchase price of $1,050,000,000 which $500,000,000 in debt, we will effectively fund 60% of the net asset value by issuing 19,282,000 new shares at $17.25 equaling $333,000,000 AvanceGas will have a 40 calendar day lock up period for the shares received when the vessels are delivered ship by ship in the Q4. Consequently, we are increasing our total shares outstanding by 15% while adding more than 40% earnings power through the expansion of our own fleets. Speaker 100:05:01The balance of the net asset value in the transaction is to be financed by cash at hand and drawdown of our current revolvers. The transaction is fully funded and financed with BW Group providing us with a revolving unsecured shareholder loan of up to $350,000,000 allowing us to comfortably take over the 10 Avance vessels with bank loans and swiftly refinance. The sale leaseback facility currently financing 2 other vessels will be innovated soon. On a like for like basis post transaction, our liquidity will remain at a healthy level of $343,000,000 before any refinancing effect to optimize the liquidity position. Net leverage ratio is expected to increase to 30% to 35%, a healthy and more optimal level than the 7% to 12% range we have reported the last few quarters. Speaker 100:05:55This is our positive market view. This illustrates the attractiveness and accretiveness in the Street acquisition, which expands our market leading business platform while we maintain our robust balance sheet. Let's turn to the next slide to look at the latest market developments. After a slow couple of months over the summer, the U. S. Speaker 100:06:18Exports have picked up from the delays caused by Hurricane Barrel. And the export volumes from the enterprise and target terminals in U. S. Gulf are catching up with the backlog. The most recent report from Gibson Ship Brokers shows an uptick of 10 VLGC export cargoes from July to August, meaning the number of VLGC loadings in the U. Speaker 100:06:38S, including the East Coast, will arrive at $104 for the month of August. The price differential between the U. S. And the Far East is currently around $2.30 per tonne, leaving room for higher freight rates on the back of tighter availability of ships as we have seen over the last weeks. Heading into the winter season, the forward market is pricing the Houston Chiba benchmark leg at around $50,000 per day, and this is without any Panama Canal delays for VLGCs, indicating an upside on the rates should the canal become more congested. Speaker 100:07:14If we look further out on the horizon, there are firm expansion plans from the 3 bigger terminals on the U. S. Gulf Coast starting second half next year. And we view these $1,000,000,000 investments as positive for shipping demand when coupled with continued demand growth in the Asian markets. In the Middle East, the annual export volumes are pretty much stable with seasonal reduction in export volumes over the summer due to maintenance and higher domestic consumption. Speaker 100:07:43According to Gibson's, the number of VLGC cargoes has fluctuated between 55 to 60 per month since May. What is interesting is that around 50% of these volumes end up in the increasingly important Indian markets, which leaves the import markets further east in Asia more dependent on cargoes from the U. S, which in turn is supporting shipping. For a period of time, there have been mixed signals from the overall Chinese economy, but the Chinese import demand for LPG and in particular propane continues to grow on the back of scheduled PDH plant expansions. As a final comment on the status of the LPG market, there's a lot of focus on the demand growth in China and the Indian subcontinent, while the rise of the Southeast Asian market is overlooked by many observers. Speaker 100:08:33This region with growing population and prosperity imported around 13,000,000 tons of LPG last year and is surfacing as a considerable consumer of LPG, which also sources significant volumes from the U. S. Looking at the supply side of the VLGC market, we have entered a period of modest fleet growth for the next 18 months. In addition, if you look at the fleet profile for vessels 15 years and younger, there are 35 VLGCs going into drydock this year, while the number increases to 65 next year, which under normal circumstances will reduce the global fleet capacity. And with that, I leave the floor to you, Samantha. Speaker 200:09:17Thank you, Christian, and hello, everyone. So let's have a closer look of the shipping performance. For the Q2 2024, we delivered TCE of $48,000 per calendar day and $49,700 per available day, a continued solid performance on shipping. We have a healthy coverage through our time charter and FFA portfolio, which represents about 39% of our shipping exposure. For the Q3, we have fixed 86% of the available days at about $43,300 per day. Speaker 200:09:56For 2024, our time charter out fleet generates a profit of around $27,000,000 over the time charter in fleet. The remaining of our fixed time charter out portfolio is estimated to generate $68,000,000 for year 2024. Coming to product services, we are pleased to share that it delivered another quarter of a strong performance. In Q2, product services yielded net profit of $16,000,000 contributed by a gross profit of $25,000,000 after netting of G and A and tax provisions. After deducting share capital returns concluded in Q2, the net asset value ended in June at $69,000,000 The gross profit of $25,000,000 includes a realized gain of $29,000,000 as mentioned, offset by $5,000,000 of unrealized cargo and derivative loss. Speaker 200:10:54Due to increased fiscal forward volume from the new multi year term contract with enterprise products partners being phased in and included in the 12 months rolling mark to market valuation, we may see larger movements in unrealized positions in the future quarter as cargo price fluctuates. The reported net profit does not include the $31,000,000 unrealized fiscal shipping position based on our internal valuation. For Q2, we reported an average VaR of $5,000,000 on a well balanced trading book, including cargoes, shipping and derivatives. Going on to our financial highlights. On the back of good performance from both shipping and product services segment, we reported a net profit after tax of $85,000,000 in Q2, including profit of $12,000,000 from BW LPG India and $16,000,000 from product services. Speaker 200:11:58Profit attributable to equity holders of the company was $77,000,000 for the quarter, which translated to an earnings per share of $0.58 This means an annualized earnings yield of 12% when compared against our share price at the end of June. We reported a net leverage ratio of 12% in Q2, an increase from 7% reported at the end of March, mainly driven by our cash position changes. As we progressively take delivery of the newly acquired 12 VLGCs, which mostly estimate to be in Q4, we expect that our net leverage ratio will gradually increase to an approximation of 30% to 35% range as we slowly draw down on our revolving credit facilities. For Q2, the Board declared a dividend of $0.58 per share, a 100% payout of the company NPAT or 121 percent of shipping NPAT. This reassures our continuous commitment to return value to our shareholders as we deliver growth to our business. Speaker 200:13:10The balance sheet ended the quarter with a shareholder equity of $1,600,000,000 and our annualized Q2 return on equity and on capital employed were 21% 17% respectively. Year to date OpEx per day arrived at $8,600 a slight reduction than last quarter. For 2024, we expect our own fleet's operating cash breakeven to be about $17,800 and $22,300 for the whole fleet including the time charters. As you can see, we continue to have a healthy repayment profile with outstanding shipping loan at $230,000,000 of which BW LPG India term loan of $127,000,000 is only due to be refinanced in 2026, a very manageable position. On the liquidity side, we ended Q2 with a strong position of 578,000,000 which paved the way for the announced Advanced Gas fleet acquisition. Speaker 200:14:15The vessel's delivery will be carried out from 15th September to end December. By the time when all the vessels have been delivered, our liquidity is expected to remain healthy at a level of R343,000,000 with the estimate that R235,000,000 is drawn from our current revolvers. We also expect to gradually draw down the revolving shareholder loan of $350,000,000 in part or in full to fund the vessels' delivery. The shareholder loan makes sure the transaction can progress swiftly and that we can refinance with an improved term post vessel delivery. We expect the net fleet refinancing to be initiated as soon as possible while working on other refinancing projects to optimize the balance sheet. Speaker 200:15:07We are confident to maintain a healthy leverage and financing structure as well as a sustainable repayment profile with a grow fleet. On the product service side, trade finance drawn stood at a moderate level of $159,000,000 or 20% of our available credit line leaving a healthy headroom for growth. With that, I would like to conclude my updates and back to you Lisa. Operator00:15:36Thank you, Samantha. We will open the floor for questions now. We will open the floor for questions now. We have one question from Peter. Peter, please go ahead. Speaker 300:16:24Good afternoon. Yes, this is Peter Hagen from ABG asking. In terms of the cost side of taking over those 12 VLGCs, could you give some specific guiding on just how we should model that going into Q3 and further into Q4, potentially also impacting in Q1? Speaker 100:16:54Hi, Peter. Costs, can you be a bit more specific what you are thinking of? Speaker 300:17:00Well, in terms of doing inspections and so forth, I would assume that the handover would take longer than what the normal turnaround would be. And if there are any well, any planned nonrevenue making days needed for the transaction to sort of go along. Or if it's no cost, Kristian, that's just fantastic. Speaker 100:17:31Well, the way it works is that this contract is that these vessels, the transaction is done on standard sale form terms in shipping, where you inspect with the underwater inspection and have the delivery of the vessel at the same time as you pay for the ships and then the ship is in our hands. So there is no difference from a regular sale and purchase transaction to this transaction in that respect. Speaker 300:18:08Yes, I understand. But in terms of the revenue days in this time period, so are you capable of fixing prior to the inspection and the delivery for sort of effectively not having lost revenue days when taking over the ships? Speaker 100:18:28Well, the ships are for advanced cost until we have taken delivery. So and they can deliver the ship typically in Asia and then we balance the ship into the Middle East and LODO goes back to the U. S. Gulf. So it depends on the position of the ship. Speaker 100:18:49But all the cost for the vessel up until delivery to BW LPG is as per normal sale and purchase transactions for the sellers at the sellers' expense. Of course, the inspection is and the regular, let's say, procedure around that is at our cost. But this is nothing I mean, there's no material costs to be thought of in this respect on our side. Speaker 300:19:19Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. And if I just follow-up on a quick one on the market outlook. So this time, you talk about the future growth for the next 3 years, which is at least in what I can read, longer than what you normally have guided for. Speaker 300:19:40Could you shed some light on what sort of considerations you have been making to make statements now going into 'twenty six? And perhaps also shed some light on why you think the U. S. LPG export growth is going to be in the high single digit territory also in the coming few years? Speaker 100:20:06Yes, sure. I mean, we usually take our view have a view 2 to 3 years out in time based on our own data collection. And I think the way we see and I said this before, the way we see that the big terminals and the big players in U. S. Gulf are gearing up and investing and also guiding on their volumes is on top of our own data gathering supporting this. Speaker 100:20:40So we have we source our data from various sources. And of course, we also take a look at what the big infrastructure players in the U. S. Gulf are planning for because this is obviously having a big impact on the capacity and what they also see as the potential for exports going forward. Speaker 300:21:09Okay. Thank you. I'll hand it over. Operator00:21:13Thank you, Peter. Erik, you're next. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:21:18Yes. Hi. Just a question because you've taken some coverage recently, but obviously now with another 12 vessels, you're kind of naked going into 25, 26. So with your at least on a percentage basis, so as you're increasing your financial leverage, should we expect you to also then maybe be a bit more aggressive on time charters now going into peak season? Or will you be happy with 15% coverage with a much bigger fleet? Speaker 100:21:55Yes. I think without promising anything or guaranteeing anything, like I have guided on previously, we are quite happy with the coverage that we've had over the last years, which has been in the range 35%, little bit higher percent. So I think for us, we like to have exposure to the market, but we also want to and have always had a certain downside protection being somewhere in the 30% to 40% range of our fleet capacity. So I think that's kind of what I can say at the moment. But yes, if that answers your question. Speaker 400:22:44Yes. No, that's good. And just to follow-up on the cost question, but more so on your efficient G and A, should we expect I mean the addition of Avan's those vessels, will it do a lot to your organization? Or is it just something you'll swallow with the team you have now? Speaker 100:23:02Yes. We are able to absorb that basically with the team now. So there is no plans to increase the number of people or the G and A in any way. Speaker 400:23:15Excellent. Thank you very much. Speaker 100:23:17Hopefully to the contrary. Speaker 400:23:21Good. Operator00:23:24We have another question from Johanna. Johanna, please go ahead. Speaker 500:23:29Hello. Thank you. I'm Johanna Pinera, a reporter for August Media. I'm curious to know how BWC is the new announcement from Panama Canal for long term slot reservation. So I would like to understand how VW thinks that will impact the market and how it will, if it's interested in securing some slots as well? Speaker 500:23:58Thank you. Speaker 100:23:59Yes, thanks for the question. We have actually spent quite a bit of time trying to decipher this and what it means for us. And the conclusion is that I don't think we will bid in for this tender. I think that's it's more designed for containerships and the likes, which are shuttling back and forth the way we see it. Speaker 500:24:28If I can, just a follow-up, because that is going to use up about 40% of those lots that go for auctions. So can we expect that to be included in some there will be more less vessels or less slots around for auctions? So is that a factor at play here? Speaker 100:24:57The Panama Canal is basically designed for container ships, and you can say LNG carriers also prioritize the VLGCs. So we're quite and the Panama Canal is a big black box and a wildcard in our market. So what's happening there has a big impact, but for the dynamics in the market, but it's hard for us to also justify going in on a tender where you book slots because we don't we are in a market where you have the chart is option to discharge in Europe or go to Asia or other parts after loading or the world after loading in the U. S. So I think for us, we are as it looks now at least better off to play the spot market, so to say, in the Panamax now. Speaker 500:25:59It's okay. Thank you. Operator00:26:01Thank you. Alex, please go ahead Axel, please go ahead. Speaker 100:26:06Yes. Thank you. Axel Sturman from Kepler Cheuvreux. So a question related to the Product Services division. Do you have any do you plan to ramp up the activity now as you grow the VLGC fleet to such a big scale as you're doing? Speaker 100:26:27Well, we announced an extension of the enterprise contract last quarter. So there are no plans to further expand on a contract basis more than we already have announced. Operator00:26:56We will now move on to questions from the Q and A channel. Kajal, over to you. Speaker 600:27:01Yes. So we have one question here from the audience asking if you could elaborate on how much additional free cash flow earnings you expect to generate from the larger fleet post acquisition and the long run dividend per share, assuming TCE remains approximately at current levels? Speaker 200:27:24Yes, thanks for the question. I think, first of all, is that without a doubt adding 12 vessels to the fleet is definitely increasing the revenue generation potentials. We expect that this fleet to perform at a similar level of our existing fleet as well as on the cost front as well. So I think that that would likely give you a very good guidance in terms of based on our cash breakeven and the market where it's trending, our guiding on the coverage, etcetera, will probably give you a very good idea where the free cash flow will likely lend following the market fluctuations. And as from a dividend perspective, we will well, as we shared many times, this is at the Board's discretion. Speaker 200:28:31We would largely follow the dividend policies while maintaining to distribute values back to the shareholders as much as possible. I hope that answered your questions. Speaker 600:28:48Yes. And then we'll go over to a question from Dasha Herr asking in terms of terminal export capacity, is it pre booked? Or do you pay spot for terminal pricing? Speaker 100:29:03I can just answer in general, if you enter a term contract with the terminal the export terminals in the U. S. Gulf, you have a pricing mechanism, which is agreed on a case by case basis depending on the negotiations with the terminal, which again boils down to flexibility, volume, duration and so on. And if you play the spot market, then of course, you are exposed to the supply and demand there and then when you want to buy the cargo. So this is quite as in any other market, I think quite normal. Speaker 600:29:43And Dasha is following up with a second question. What are the specific projects expansions you're looking at? What should increase LPG export capacity in the U. S, Canada? Speaker 100:29:55Yes. So if you look at our slide, we are mentioning enterprise energy transfer. We also know, I mean, that in Canada, there are plans for ramping up the exports on the West Coast of Canada. So I think there are there's a fairly long list of expansion plans on the terminal infrastructure side in the U. S. Speaker 100:30:25And Canada for over the next years. Argus actually have in their last since they had Argus on the line here just now in the last monthly review, they had a long list of they showed the different expansion plans, which are confirmed in the U. S. Gulf. So I think the companies are quite open about this since they're also stock listed. Speaker 600:30:53Then we have a question from Aman here asking, we see most ship owners in LPG are opting to order new build very large ammonia carriers. Does BW LPG also have any plans or intend to focus on VLACs or ammonia trade? Speaker 100:31:12Thanks for the question. If you go back in time, we were one of the biggest shipping companies in the ammonia space actually. These ships the last ship I think was sold in 2019. That was a large gas carrier, which is the size below VLGCs. So we are not strangers to trading in ammonia. Speaker 100:31:37At the moment, we do not have any ammonia lifting capacity on our ships except for in the Indian fleet, which are tied up in trading LPG from the Middle East to India. So we are absolutely believers in the ammonia case going forward, but we do not have any VLACs on order at the moment. But let's see what the future brings. Like I said, we are no strangers to trading and lifting cargoes in the ammonia space. Speaker 600:32:17And Aman is also following up on that answer. There are concerns for oversupply in LPG shipping, especially for VLGCs with 40 something VLACs scheduled for delivery in 2026, 2027. Any thoughts of how it would impact the earnings? Speaker 100:32:37Like in any other shipping market, if you have overcapacity in the fleet, of course, that will impact the rates negatively. So it depends on how the LPG volumes are expanding in the period from now up to 2026, 2027 and also, of course, how the much talked about ammonia projects are materializing in the same period and towards the end of this decade. So this is, I would say, dollars 1,000,000 question. And unlike in any other shipping segments, of course, overcapacity is a challenge if that occurs. Speaker 600:33:23Next, a question from Knut. He has two questions. The redomiciliation to Singapore, tax wise, will the company still be assumed to be outside the exemption method according to Norwegian tax legislation? 2nd question, when will the new shares related to the Avanz Gas transaction be issued? Speaker 100:33:44I can start off with replying to number 2 and then I leave to Samantha to reply the first question. So the Avansgas will receive their shares when the ships are being delivered. So every ship has a pre agreed portion of shares and cash to be paid before they are delivered to us. And then for the next question, I leave that to Samantha to reply on, please. Speaker 200:34:16Yes. Could I maybe I will ask you to elaborate a little bit on what you mean by the exemption methods about the Norwegian tax legislation. But basically there is no change as for the investors domicile in Norway how the tax status has changed. Still now we have a redone side to Singapore. There is no withholding tax applied for dividend paid from the BW LPG to the investors around the world. Speaker 200:34:54And as for either as a dividend or in a case of a share buyback, all the proceeds will be taxable based on the investor's tax status. I hope that answers your question. Speaker 600:35:14And then we have another question from Troom asking the fleet taken over from Avance is younger than your current fleet and probably more fuel efficient. How will this impact on your average OpEx? Speaker 100:35:28Yes, we hope that it will impact positively on our OpEx. So and like you say, the fleet is a few years younger on the average than our current fleet. So that's also one of the parts we found attractive with this transaction. So we hope that we can benefit from that and also from the scale when adding 12 more ships to our fleets. Operator00:35:57Final call. Should you have questions, please type them into the Q and A channel. You can also click the raise hand button to ask your question verbally. Please note that participants have been automatically muted. Please press unmute before speaking. Operator00:36:17There being no questions, over to you Christian. Speaker 100:36:23We had one question just at the end here. Is there more analyst coverage in the U. S. A? We are working on it. Speaker 100:36:32So we hope that more equity analysts in the States will take up coverage of our share in company, especially now that we are growing in size. So that's something we are working on. Speaker 600:36:51Yes. And then we have a question from Damian. How many shares of the company belong to owners, directors? And how many are traded on New York Stock Exchange and also Stock Exchange approximately? Speaker 100:37:11I think we there is an overview. We report on this. So it's something you can find on our website or we can if you send the mail to our IR email, we can reply to you on that, if that's fine, Damian. Speaker 600:37:38And then we have one question from Johanna. How has ETS impacting the market so far? Speaker 100:37:48I would say that ETS has impacted the market in the sense that there is more focus on newer vessels. And of course, the fact that we now have 22 ships with dual fuel technology on the water by the end of the year is something which is to our advantage in that sense. So overall, it's shifting the focus and the preference in the market slowly towards more fuel efficient and environmentally friendly vessels with the latest technology. Speaker 600:38:32No more questions. Speaker 100:38:35Okay, everyone. Then I'd like to thank you all for joining us today. And thank you for your support, and we see you again next quarter. Operator00:38:46Thank you for attending BW LPG's Q2 2024 Financial Results Presentation. More information on BW LPG and BW Product Services are available at www.bwlpg.com and www.bwproductservices.com respectively. Have a good day and a good night.Read morePowered by