Photronics Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 29, 2024

There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to Photronics Third Quarter Fiscal Year 20 24 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded on Thursday, August 29, 2024.

Operator

I would like now to turn the conference over to Eric Rivera, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Michelle. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Welcome to

Speaker 1

our review of Foodtronics' fiscal 2024 Q3 results. Joining me this morning are Frank Lee, our Chief Executive Officer and Chris Progler, our Chief Technology Officer. The press release we issued earlier this morning, together with the presentation material that accompanies our remarks, are available on the Investor Relations section of our webpage. Comments made by any participants on today's call may include forward looking statements that include such words as anticipate, believe, estimate, expect, forecast and in our view. These forward looking statements are based upon a number of risks, uncertainties and other factors that are difficult to predict.

Speaker 1

Although we believe that the expectations reflected in the forward looking statements are reasonable, we cannot guarantee future results, levels of activity, performance or achievements. We're under no duty to update any of the forward looking statements after the date of the presentation to conform these statements to actual results. During the course of our discussion, we will refer to certain non GAAP financial metrics. These numbers are useful for analysts, investors and management to evaluate ongoing performance. A reconciliation of these metrics to GAAP financial results is provided in our presentation materials.

Speaker 1

At this time, I'll turn the call over to Frank.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. 3rd quarter sales came in lighter than we expected due to soft demand from Asia Foundry as a strong order rate at the beginning of the quarter lost momentum. Lingering macro uncertainty and customer concern on elevated inventory caused some to limit or differ releasing new designs. As a result, photomask demand slowed, resulting in lower sales for both IC and FPD. High end logic mask orders decreased, while our memory business improved in the quarter.

Speaker 2

High end FPD improved due to demand for AMOLED mask used for mobile displays as company prepare for model release in a recovering smartphone market. Compared with the 2nd quarter, gross margin decreased due to the impact of lower revenue. Operation expenses were slightly lower than the 2nd quarter. EPS was $0.55 After adjusting for an FX gain, non GAAP EPS was $0.51 higher than last quarter and the same as last year. We continue to generate strong operation cash, giving us added flexibility to invest in growth, while also maintaining a strong balance sheet.

Speaker 2

As a result, we are announcing an increase of our existing share repurchase program to $100,000,000 Eric will share details in a few minutes, But we believe this is the right time to restart our share repurchase activity and enhance our capital allocation framework. Based on our optimism in the long range photo mass market, we are also evaluating several growth options, including strategic expansion, partnerships and other possibility in U. S, Europe and Asia. We are maintaining flexibility to act quickly in support of our global customer and partners, while remaining disciplined to ensure our investment meet financial objectives. I'm very proud I'm very pleased with the way our team has performed during the quarter.

Speaker 2

They have taken care of the customers while managing cost and maximizing cash to maintain financial strength. We have a great team at Photronics and they are navigating the challenges well. Turning to the market, I would like to comment on the trend we are seeing. Photomass demand is driven mostly by design activity. Several long term trends such as AI, mobile computing and increased IC content in automotive, energy and consumer applications drive new designs in both leading edge and legacy technology nodes, all required in new photo mask.

Speaker 2

As the global leader in IC mask units, we see a high level of new product qualification across the node spectrum, each with projected revenue opportunities. This all play well to our marginal strength and is a positive long term trend for our business. In addition to new designs, photomask demand is driven by an increase in wafer manufacturing capacity. New fab are being built globally to meet the growth in applications such as data centers that are needed to support AI and to support an increase in supply chain regeneration. This is a positive long term trend for Photomass demand.

Speaker 2

Due to our broad geographical footprint, capacity and suite of technologies, we are able to provide all of our customers' photomask needs. We supply nearly all leading logic fabs with strong market share, especially in Taiwan, China and Korea. In U. S. And Europe, we are seeing the initial signs of growing demand for regionalization.

Speaker 2

Turning to display, innovation is mostly due to new features in mobile displays and to a lesser degree new TV technology that improve performance. On the mobile display, this trend was largely supported by new premium smartphones, higher screen resolution and the need to add additional functions such as fingerprint sensor and cameras, while reducing power require new advanced mask sets. AMOLED continues to be introduced into larger size screens such as tablets and laptop and the development is underway to produce amyloid on G8.6 glass. These trends all require high quality photo mask. As the technology leader in FCD mask, we are well positioned to benefit from these trends and grow.

Speaker 2

While near term demand is being challenged by dynamic market condition, we remain optimistic regarding the long term market outlook. Our competitive advantage, including strong customer relations, long term purchase agreement, leading technology and broad global capacity position us to continue to outgrow the photomask industry. Our ability to control cost and manage cash should allow us to continue to invest in profitable growth and deliver shareholder value. At this moment, I would turn the call to Eric to review our Q3 results and provide 4th quarter guidance.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Frank. 3rd quarter revenue of $211,000,000 was down 3% sequentially with market softness across both IC and FPD. IC revenue decreased 3% quarter over quarter. High end was lower as improved memory sales were not enough to offset lower demand from logic foundries in Asia. Compared with the Q3 of 2023, high end improved on strong U.

Speaker 1

S. Sales. High end growth continues to be a factor for us as we see customers migrating to smaller design nodes, including 22 and 28 nanometers to take advantage of the cost and performance benefits. At the leading edge, our specialty QB business continues to grow. Year to date, high end IC revenue is up 23%, demonstrating our success in growing this segment of our business.

Speaker 1

Mainstream once again achieved sequential growth as demand improved, particularly in the U. S. This further validates our belief that Q1 of this year was the bottom of the mainstream downturn, and we anticipate additional growth going forward. FPD revenue was lower sequentially as well. On a positive note, high end resumed growth with improved demand for mobile AMOLED displays.

Speaker 1

Overall, display industry dynamics remain somewhat soft, largely due to the same factors that are impacting semiconductor demand. As uncertainty abates, we anticipate achieving above market growth due to our leading technology, scale, market share and strong customer relationships. Overall, our gross margin was 35.6%, down slightly as we would expect given the softer revenue and our level of operating leverage. Lended ASP held up well as price increases implemented in previous year's whole firm. Our long term purchase agreements continue to provide protection against downside risk during times of market softness, helping us maintain market share and pricing.

Speaker 1

Delivery premiums, which were meaningful last year, are no longer material to our results as lead times have normalized. Operating expenses were slightly lower quarter over quarter with operating margins compressing around 110 basis points to 24.7%. Despite softer revenues through the 1st 9 months of 2024, we have maintained strong margins with the year to date operating margins of nearly 26%. Below the operating line and excluding the impact of FX gain, we achieved non GAAP net income of $32,000,000 or $0.51 per share ahead of last quarter and the same as last year. We generated $75,100,000 in operating cash flow and CapEx was $24,400,000 in the quarter.

Speaker 1

Year to date CapEx is 87,700,000 dollars We expect full year CapEx to be $130,000,000 $10,000,000 lower than we previously estimated as some of the CapEx payments will not occur until next year. Our CapEx will support anticipated demand growth, primarily in multinode IC capacity and capability and to continue replacing aging tools, all while ensuring we are increasing our return on invested capital. Looking ahead to 2025, we see opportunities to continue investing in growth, primarily in IC, to ensure we are well positioned to capitalize on the positive long term megatrends that are driving photomask demand. We will provide specific 2025 CapEx guidance during our Q4 earnings call in December. We further strengthened our balance sheet during the quarter, increasing the amount of cash, cash equivalents and short term investments to $606,400,000 Total debt, primarily for equipment leases in the U.

Speaker 1

S, was reduced to $20,100,000 With our strong balance sheet and demonstrated ability to generate cash, we are increasing the size of our share repurchase program to $100,000,000 and plan to restart activity under the program soon. We believe this is a good use of cash and will add value to our shareholders. Before providing guidance, I'll remind you that demand for our products is inherently uneven and difficult to predict, with limited visibility and typical backlog of 1 to 3 weeks. In addition, ASPs for advanced mass sets are high, meaning a relatively low number of high end orders can have a significant impact on our quarterly revenue and earnings. With those qualifications, we expect 4th quarter revenue to be in the range of $213,000,000 to $221,000,000 While we are seeing good order rates at the beginning of the 4th quarter, lingering macro uncertainty is keeping us cautious.

Speaker 1

Based on those revenue expectations and our current operating model, we estimate non GAAP earnings per share for the 4th quarter to be in the range of $0.48 to $0.54 per diluted share. This equates to an operating margin between 25% 27% as we continue to keep costs under control and maximize profitability. We delivered sequentially higher adjusted EPS in the 3rd quarter even as demand remains soft. This was achieved by keeping a tight control of cost. We also continue to generate strong cash flow, keeping our balance sheet strong and enabling us to invest in growth.

Speaker 1

As demand on our markets improves, we are in a great position to grow revenue and expand margins. I'll now turn the call over to the operator for your questions.

Operator

Thank you. And our first question will come from Tom Diffely with D. A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Speaker 3

Yes, good morning and thank you for taking a few questions. Eric, I was curious when we go through the results and how earnings kind of held in there despite the weaker revenue, it looks like a combination of tax and the non controlling interest were the big drivers there. Maybe talk about each one on tax, why did it fall as much as it did? And then on non controlling, did the China percentage fall quite a bit? And if that's the case, is the profitability in China not where you want it to be quite yet?

Speaker 3

Thanks.

Speaker 1

Sure, Tom. Thanks for the question. So from a tax perspective, what affected tax was the jurisdictional mix of earnings. Similar to the non controlling interests, so our non controlling our joint ventures didn't perform as well as they we would have liked them to perform. So as a result, there was less income attributed to them.

Speaker 1

However, that was offset by some of our wholly owned subsidiaries. So as our wholly owned subsidiaries as the mix between earnings between our wholly owned subsidiaries and our joint ventures goes more towards our wholly owned subsidiaries, shareholders of Photronics Inc. Benefit from additional EPS gains.

Speaker 3

So maybe to summarize, when you do projects in North America or outside of Asia, the tax rates are better and the profitability is better?

Speaker 1

So even within Asia, there are certain jurisdictions that just have different tax rates. So as that jurisdictional mix changes, as you have more income in lower tax jurisdictions, you benefit from a tax perspective.

Speaker 3

Okay, great. And a couple more here. So I noticed that SG and A was up quite a bit quarter over quarter despite the revenue dip, maybe a little color there?

Speaker 1

Sure. So our SG and A was primarily increased due to professional services fees that were incurred during the quarter.

Speaker 3

Okay. I guess that leads me to my next question. Any update on the general counsel dismissal? And does that have any impact outside of

Speaker 1

the customer?

Speaker 4

No, no. There was certainly

Speaker 1

no impact to our financial results, no significant impact, I should say. No update further than that though at this

Speaker 3

time. Okay. And then just one broad question. When you look at the margin structure on the mature the mainstream business and how over the last few years it's ramped nicely, it kind of peaked maybe a year ago. Is the mainstream business still healthy from a price point of view or has the softness in the overall transaction run rate put it back into its old kind of sequentially declining on an annual basis?

Speaker 2

Tom, this is Frank. Our mainstream business actually is very stable because as we reported several times in the call in the mainstream manufacturing side, there are many end of life tool. So with that, we have to replace the equipment to add capacity. But in general, the capacity for mainstream segment is not increasing. So that enable us to keep a stable price.

Speaker 3

Okay, great. And then I don't know if Chris is on the call, but I do have kind of a technology question.

Speaker 4

Yes, I'm here, Tom.

Speaker 3

Hey, Chris. So I guess two things. First, are you seeing any or what do you think the longer term impact is, if any, of Apple canceling its micro display project? And then how do you see OLED ramping into flat panels of a larger size over time?

Speaker 4

Yes. So the micro display, we don't really see much impact of micro display. We didn't have it marked up as a big growth driver for photo masks. So to the extent companies like Apple decide not to commit to micro display, it has not really changed our outlook on the FPD market. As far as the OLED, definitely we see the Gen 8.6 form factor starting to go into production next year, we believe.

Speaker 4

1 of the large panel makers already has that fab, and we're talking to them about shipping initial masks into that. And we do think we'll be in a good POR position for that, those high form factor masks. And the ASPs for those because they're tough masks to make, AMOLED at Gen 8.6, much harder, much more complex than LCD, we'll see really good ASPs on those products.

Speaker 3

Okay. And I assume that you have a bit of a technology advantage over some of your newer peers in that space as well?

Speaker 4

Yes, for sure. In FPD, we think we have pretty strong technology lead. The other thing we see on AMOL is a lot of take up of so called advanced masks, things that not to use jargon, but face shifting masks and the types of technology that really helped IC evolve through Moore's Law. We're seeing the adoption rate on those for flat panel increase quarter over quarter. So really good take up on our higher end masks to get more performance on panels.

Speaker 4

So we think, yes, our tech leadership here is going to be a big advantage.

Speaker 3

Great. Okay. Well, thank you, Eric, Frank and Chris. Appreciate your time today.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Tom. Thank you.

Operator

Okay. I show no further questions in the queue at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Frank Li for closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank you for joining us this morning. While demand has been soft through the 1st 9 months of 2024, we have done a great job of maintaining margins and generating strong cash. I'm proud of the way we have performed. Looking longer term, there are several megatrends that should support market growth.

Speaker 2

As the DDM photo mask producers, we are well positioned to grow as demand improves, creating value for our customer, employee and shareholders. I look forward to updating you on our progress. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your line. Thank you.

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